The Dodge Road Runner is a muscle car from Dodge’s classic lineup. The podcast mentions it in a playful way, comparing it to the “Road Runner” cartoon idea. It’s more about the name and character than technical specs.
The Dodge Omni is an older compact car model. The podcast mentions it in a joking way with the phrase “omni crisis.” It’s not really about the car’s mechanics in that moment.
The Hyundai Ioniq 6 is an electric car. The hosts are saying they wanted to wait until a recall issue was fixed, because dealers may not be allowed to sell affected cars until it’s resolved.
A stop sale means dealers aren’t allowed to sell some cars for a while. It’s usually because the manufacturer is still working on the fix for a problem.
The Volkswagen Golf is a small car you can use for everyday driving. People talk about it a lot because it’s comfortable and practical. The podcast is describing how tall it felt when someone sat in it.
A hatchback is a car where the back opens like a door, and the cargo area is part of that same opening. The host is using this to describe the car’s overall shape.
The Hyundai Elantra is a small, everyday car. In the podcast, someone mentions having a basic older Elantra as a hand-me-down. The point is personal experience with that kind of car.
E-GMP is the EV “building system” Hyundai and Kia use for their electric cars. It helps them make different models that share similar electric parts and layout, which can improve efficiency and how the car charges.
The Kia EV6 is an all-electric Kia. It’s built to be efficient and practical, and the host says it feels fun to drive while still having good driving range and not being too expensive.
Term
tesla yaoi hole for the charger
The host is talking about how the charging plug/port is set up on the updated Ioniq 5. They’re saying it’s more convenient—similar to what people associate with Tesla—and that the car includes the needed adapters.
The Dodge Charger is a sporty four-door car. The podcast is talking about a charging situation and mentions adapters that came with it. That implies it has a plug-in charging setup for its power.
Here, “charging” means how your electric car gets power at home or at public stations. The host is saying it can be hit-or-miss depending on the charging setup where you are.
Level 1 charging is the slowest way to charge an electric car, usually using a normal wall outlet. It’s fine if you can charge overnight, but it won’t refill as quickly as faster chargers.
The Kia EV9 is an electric SUV. Here, the host is talking about how their EV9 road trip showed that charging can be frustrating if the chargers aren’t easy to use.
“Charger incompatibility” is when your electric car can’t use a charger the way you expected. It can happen because of differences in connector types or the charger’s system/network rules.
These are buttons you touch that don’t really click. They sense your finger electronically, and they can get messy with fingerprints or feel a little vague compared to real buttons.
This is the car’s “driving mode” selector. Switching modes can change how the car responds—like steering feel or how quickly it reacts when you press the gas.
Sport steering is a mode that makes the steering feel more responsive and “heavier” or more connected. The idea is to give you better feedback so you trust what the front wheels are doing.
Lease rates are the numbers that determine how much you pay each month to rent the car through a lease. They can change based on the deal and the car’s expected value.
The 12-volt battery runs the car’s basic electronics, like lights and computers. Even electric cars still use a 12-volt system for many everyday functions.
Regenerative braking is an EV feature that helps slow the car down while also recharging the battery. It turns some of the energy from slowing down into electricity instead of wasting it.
The Chevrolet Blazer EV is an electric SUV. The podcast is talking about how the inside feels, saying it seems too cheap for what it costs. The main topic is interior quality and value.
Drive-by-wire steering means the steering system is controlled electronically rather than through a direct mechanical linkage. The host likes how it feels in Sport mode—smooth, responsive, and fun.
This is a racing event in Pittsburgh. The host is talking about a hill-climb road used for the event and using it to test how the car feels when driving hard.
This phrase means the tires lose grip and start to slide. The host is saying that sometimes the car will push or let the wheels slip when you drive it aggressively.
On an EV, “one-pedal driving” means you can drive and slow down mostly with the accelerator. When you take your foot off it, the car slows down by using the battery’s energy recovery system.
Range is the estimated distance an EV can travel before the battery is depleted. It’s strongly affected by driving style, speed, temperature, and how much regenerative braking you can use.
This means the car’s electrical system is designed to run at a higher voltage than most EVs. That can make charging and power delivery more efficient and can help the car run cooler, which may help parts last longer—especially if you’re not constantly fast-charging.
This is the standard voltage level used by many EVs. It can still be fast, but compared to an 800-volt setup it may generate more heat for the same charging power, depending on the car.
The Chevrolet Volt is a car that uses a battery but can also use gas when needed. The podcast is talking about different electrical “voltage” setups that affect charging behavior. The Volt is mentioned as an example in that discussion.
ICCU is a control box in an EV that helps manage electricity between the big high-voltage battery system and the normal 12-volt systems that run things like lights and accessories. The host is saying early versions had problems, but later cars got an updated part.
Think of routing as the EV’s wiring and control logic for deciding where electricity should go. This segment is describing how power gets managed between the high-voltage battery and the car’s 12-volt electronics.
The Tesla Cybertruck is an electric pickup known for using a high-voltage battery system. Higher voltage can help it charge faster, but it also needs the rest of the car’s electronics to handle the extra electrical stress.
In an EV, the battery and charging system can run at different voltages. An 800-volt setup can let the car take in energy faster because it can move the same power with less current.
Term
paralleling two 400 volt batteries together
The host is describing how the EV can connect battery packs in a way that makes the whole system act like it’s running at a higher voltage. Higher voltage helps the car charge faster.
The Hummer EV SUV is an electric SUV. The podcast mentions that it uses two battery packs and talks about their voltage. The point is how the car’s electric system is set up.
The BMW i4 is BMW’s electric car. The speaker is basically saying it doesn’t feel very new or innovative compared to what they expected from a newer EV.
The Mini Cooper is a small car that’s designed to feel fun to drive. The podcast is talking about how the speaker used to like Mini Coopers they encountered. It’s mainly about personal experience.
The Acura ZDX is a crossover SUV with a more sporty, coupe-like shape. The podcast mentions it because it was available for a short time. It’s being used as a comparison point for another car.
The Honda Prologue is an electric SUV made by Honda. The podcast mentions it while comparing it to another car and talks about how quickly that other model was available. The focus is on shopping and comparisons, not technical details.
The Chevrolet Blazer is an SUV made by Chevrolet. The podcast mentions it because the speaker has a strong opinion about a Blazer they saw or talked about. The focus is on how it was discussed, not on specs.
Jony Ive is a well-known designer who helped define the look of Apple products. Here, the hosts say he designed the interior of the Ferrari Luce, which is why they’re judging the style so strongly.
“Allocations” means limited production spots—like when a company can’t make enough cars, so it assigns who gets them. The host is saying people may buy anyway just to get one.
Ferrari Luce is a Ferrari electric-car idea that’s meant to show how Ferrari could do EVs without losing what makes a Ferrari feel like a Ferrari. The host is talking about how Ferrari is trying to keep the brand’s “look and vibe” even as it goes electric.
Horsepower is a number that tells you how much power the car’s motor can produce. The host is saying that when the number gets huge, it doesn’t automatically mean the car will feel faster in practice.
0 to 60 mph is how fast a car can accelerate from a stop to 60 miles per hour. It’s a simple way to compare which car is quicker in a straight-line sprint.
Two-tone means the car’s paint uses two different colors. It’s often used to make the car look more dramatic, but here the host thinks it makes the rear look weird.
The front air dam is a low piece at the bottom of the front bumper. It helps the car cut through the air more cleanly and can make it feel more planted when you’re driving faster.
The Plymouth Prowler is a small-run sports car with a very unusual, retro look. The podcast talks about how the concept version looked different from the real production car. The focus is on design changes from idea to final product.
The Xiaomi SU7 is an electric car known for looking sporty and modern. The host is basically saying that other EVs—like the SU7—pull off the “performance look” better than this car does.
The Honda Civic Si is a sportier version of the regular Civic. The host is using it as a “normal car” example to make a point about how much money people would (or wouldn’t) pay for a Ferrari-branded version.
The Lamborghini Urus is Lamborghini’s SUV. The speaker is saying it’s a particularly bad-looking or misguided design choice compared with what people expect from Lamborghini.
The Ferrari FF is a Ferrari grand tourer (a fast, comfortable long-distance car) that’s unusual for Ferrari because it has four-wheel drive. People remember it as a “different” Ferrari that still looks great and drives well.
A shooting break is a car body style that looks like a sporty coupe, but it’s built with more space in the back like a wagon. So it’s a “sporty + practical” shape.
The Mazda RX-8 is a sports car made by Mazda. The podcast mentions it because its doors are distinctive and it’s being compared to another car’s door style. It’s mainly about the way the car looks and opens.
“Launch spec” is the exact setup a car comes in when it first goes on sale. It usually includes things like the paint color and wheel style, and the hosts here think those early choices look ugly.
Internal combustion engines are the traditional gas engines that burn fuel to make power. The episode is contrasting them with electric cars to explain why brands need to persuade people that EVs can be the next step.
A hybrid car uses two energy sources: a gas engine and an electric motor. The host is saying brands used hybrids first to make people comfortable with electrification before going fully electric.
Ferrari’s LaFerrari is a supercar that uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. In the episode, it’s brought up as proof that hybrids can still feel like real supercars, not a compromise.
The McLaren P1 is a supercar that uses a gas engine plus electric power. The host is using it as an example of early hybrids that made people believe the future of supercars could be electric.
The Porsche 918 Spider is a high-end supercar that uses both gas and electricity. The episode mentions it to show that hybrids already changed how people think about what a “future” supercar should be.
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a very expensive, very fast sports car made in small numbers. The podcast mentions it alongside other famous supercars to say they were all impressive. The point is about its status as a standout car.
Platform sharing is when different cars are built using the same basic “skeleton” and parts. That helps the company make new models faster and cheaper.
The Ferrari 296 is a Ferrari model with a mid-mounted engine. In this discussion, it’s used to point out that Ferrari moved to a twin-turbo V6 instead of a V8.
A “twin-turbo V6” is a V6 engine with two turbochargers. The turbos force more air into the engine, which can make it feel stronger and more responsive.
Fiat is a car company (an automaker) that used to be connected to Ferrari. The host is saying Ferrari isn’t in that same financial/ownership relationship anymore, which they think matters for how Ferrari behaves.
Term
prancing course
Ferrari’s logo is a yellow prancing horse on their cars. The host is basically saying that because it’s a Ferrari, people will still want it.
The Porsche Panamera is a luxury sedan that’s meant to drive more like a sports car than a typical family car. The podcast brings it up because another Porsche model is said to be based on it. It also mentions that early buyers didn’t like it at first.
Lucid Air is an electric luxury sedan. “Sapphire” is a more powerful version, and the host is using it as a value comparison against a much more expensive car.
“Lowered” refers to modifying a car’s suspension so the body sits closer to the ground. Enthusiasts do this for aesthetics and sometimes handling, but the host argues that lowering can make certain styling details (like trim and wheel/ground proportions) look worse than expected.
When you lower a car, the body sits differently relative to the wheels. The host thinks that can make the dark lower trim look awkward instead of stylish.
Cargo space is how much stuff you can fit in the car. The host is saying the marketing claim doesn’t match what the car actually provides.
Car
ferrari
Ferrari is a famous Italian car brand that makes high-performance sports cars. In this clip, the host is basically saying you shouldn’t compare a Ferrari to normal cars like you would with everyday shopping.
The Ferrari 400 is an older Ferrari model. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a point in time in a story about Ferrari. The transcript doesn’t give details about how it drives—just that it marks a change.
The Acura Integra is a compact car that’s meant to feel fun to drive. The podcast is praising the newest version and saying it drives really well. The main point is how it feels behind the wheel.
The Chevrolet Impala is a large, comfortable American car. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because someone thinks another car’s design looks more like an Impala than a Ferrari. It’s a style comparison, not a performance one.
The Nissan Leaf is an electric car that runs on a battery instead of gasoline. It’s popular enough that people often recognize it quickly. The podcast mentions it because someone thought another car was a Leaf.
A roll race is a drag-style race where both cars are already moving when the race starts, rather than starting from a standstill. It emphasizes acceleration and traction in the mid-speed range, which often favors modern powertrains like EVs.
EVs are electric cars that run on batteries instead of gasoline. The host says EVs can be good, but now people care a lot about big performance numbers.
A “halo car” is the flashy, top-status car a brand uses to make people think the company is awesome. The host is saying it can be hard to get honest criticism of those cars.
The host is talking about how car reviews at the high end can sometimes feel more like persuasion than honest evaluation. The idea is that the goal may be to help people feel confident they made the right choice.
The Fiat 500 is a tiny car meant for city driving. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in a humorous way about how it can be made to look more special with badges. The focus is on appearance and branding.
A “six-speed manual” means you have to shift gears yourself using a clutch. It has six different gear ratios, and it usually gives the driver more control than an automatic.
Stellantis is a major multinational automaker formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group. The host brings it up as the next topic, framing it as a big corporate player in the auto industry. In practice, Stellantis owns many car brands, so it’s often discussed when talking about product plans and strategy.
Ram is a truck-focused American brand (especially known for pickups) that is also part of Stellantis. The host jokes about Ram trucks and stereotypes, but the key automotive point is that Ram is a distinct brand within the same corporate group as Dodge. That matters because it often shares platforms and marketing strategies under Stellantis.
The Challenger is a muscle car model from Dodge. The podcast is talking about putting a very powerful engine into it. It’s about performance possibilities rather than everyday features.
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. The podcast mentions it while talking about different kinds of high-performance trucks. It’s part of a general conversation about pickup options.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is an electric pickup truck. The podcast is wondering when people last saw one and compares it to another idea. The focus is on how noticeable or relevant it feels compared to other trucks.
The Dodge Ram is a pickup truck. The podcast is talking about an older version from the late 1970s with a shorter cab. It’s mainly about the specific truck style and time period.
Car
Ram Rumble Bee
Ram is a truck brand. The “Rumble Bee” is a special version of a Ram truck meant to feel more powerful and aggressive than a normal one. Here, the host says it comes in different versions with different engines and looks.
The “Hurricane i6” is an engine used in some Ram trucks. “i6” means it has six cylinders in a straight line. The host is saying it’s a really good engine, especially for smoothness and fuel economy.
“Inline six” just describes how the engine’s cylinders are arranged. All six cylinders sit in a single straight line. People often like this layout because it can feel especially smooth.
The “crank” is the main rotating shaft inside an engine. The host is talking about mechanically combining engines so they work together through the same rotating shaft.
Term
Quad turbo v12
“Quad turbo” means four turbochargers helping the engine breathe more air. A “V12” is a big engine with 12 cylinders arranged in a V shape. The host is basically describing a very extreme, high-power idea.
“Supercharged” means the engine has a forced-air system that packs more air into it. More air helps the engine make more power, which is why it’s often used on performance versions.
Car
Hellcat V8
“Hellcat” is a name Dodge uses for a very powerful V8 engine. In this segment, the host says the top option is a supercharged 6.2-liter V8 like the Hellcat.
TRX is a special, more extreme Ram truck. The host is saying the Rumble Bee’s top trim uses similar chunky body parts from the TRX, so it looks more aggressive.
Car
Hellcat
“Hellcat” is Dodge’s name for a very powerful version of some of its cars. The host is saying Dodge used that power/branding on too many different models, so it didn’t feel special anymore.
The Viper is a Dodge sports car that was famous for being extreme and very driver-focused. The host is saying the final version of it was actually good.
The Chevrolet Express is a large van made by Chevrolet. The podcast is talking about it as a “little red express,” which is a nickname-like description of the vehicle. The focus is on how it looks and how it was described, not on driving feel.
The Durango is Dodge’s big family SUV. The host is saying it’s been around for a long time and still hasn’t gotten a truly new foundation, even though it’s now getting newer tech like self-driving features.
The Supercharger network is a set of fast charging stations for electric cars. It’s important because it helps EV drivers recharge quickly, especially when traveling.
This is a future version of the Ram 1500 pickup truck. “Rumble Bee” is a special edition name, usually meant to sound more aggressive and performance-focused than the regular truck.
The Dodge Challenger is a powerful, classic-looking American muscle car. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it was used as a vehicle for an event. The discussion is more about the situation than the car’s technical details.
Kilowatts are a way to measure how much electricity power is flowing. The host is basically saying charging is better when electricity is cheaper, like after peak hours.
The Hyundai Ioniq is a line of cars from Hyundai that are designed to be efficient. Here, they’re talking about how cheap it is to buy right now and how long you can still get one.
Tax credits are discounts from the government that reduce what you pay in taxes. The host is saying that even though those EV-related credits ended, Hyundai made up for it another way.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a sports car designed to be fast and exciting to drive. The podcast is comparing it to another car and talking about what you should expect in terms of performance. It specifically mentions that it’s not the same as a C8 Corvette.
A service bulletin is an official memo from a car maker to mechanics/dealers about a known problem and how to fix it. They’re using it as a joke about what would be “sent” to the dealership.
The Alfa Romeo Tonale is a compact SUV. The podcast mentions it as part of a group of Alfa Romeo models people could have bought. The discussion is about the lineup more than how it drives.
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Okay, well
Welcome to episode 17 of Tran Burlesmo
We took a break to do an easy bonus episode and as is tradition when you have a podcast about current events
so many events current
They don't stop coming I am your host Victoria Scott. I am here with my co-host
Hi, my name is Jordan Hofseter. My pronouns are she and her. Oh, yeah, I outwoke you this week
It's okay, I'm about to unwoke us with
Liking a Ferrari as we get to it and even then not to give away the whole ballgame
I don't even like it that much
I just think it's not bad and I think all of you are being big fucking crybabies over nothing. It's fine
It's fine. I'm a big crybaby over nothing all the time
I was on a podcast to talk about how destiny going away made me sad
so
That was actually sad though. It is because I
Listeners I was on aftermath in our little break the good folks over at aftermath
To talk about forza horizon, which I actually don't know if Nathan Grayson understood that I
Was not playing horizon six
Yeah, I got to keep to my BDS guns and mostly talk about the history of the franchise
Which is what I was more into. I think by the time this is up
I will have a thing on the patreon talking about forza horizon one and kind of the endless summer 2012
That that is a portal into so that's fun
Victoria, what did you do with our little break other than shoot an orgy on slide film?
I did shoot an orgy on slide film. I went to the connections museum and shot an orgy on slide film in the museum
I did a bunch of shoots for pollination
Which a bunch of people did give me money to buy a slide film with which I appreciate because I am using it all
The single-handedly Kodak is going to have a note in their investor
documentation for this quarter of like we are seeing extremely strong demand from one
Transsexual in the city of Seattle from the ecta chrome line. You're welcome Kodak again
We will I will sell out immediately if you'd like to sponsor the show
We should just send him an email
I also
Shipped out all of our shirts and bumper stickers this week, which is cool
So everybody will be getting those the only thing that's left are the people who ordered prints
Which I am going to start printing this weekend. Those are just a very involved process that involves putting Burt in the bedroom
So they have to be done in a single block because otherwise you will get paw prints all over my very very nice metallic paper
I also need to print some pictures from a certain woman's wedding
Just because you know
Uh-huh, uh-huh black and white film at a wedding is a power move. You know, it's really good. Um, yeah, I uh
Oh, yeah, also, I hope you all enjoyed two hour main feed shows because I don't see any way
We're getting out of here without a very long episode because again things keep happening
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Um
But if you did order a shirt and a sticker, thank you. Uh, we we shipped to three continents
Uh, we also shipped to new zealand
Like we there's there's going to be trans girlies mo march like all across the world
Which does fill me with a sense of joy
It's good. Um, I think uh, I think victoria and I were talking about it where uh,
We do see everyone who missed out on the first round of shirts. Um and stickers and we
Hear you and yeah, don't want to go to a ship on we don't want to drop ship shirts
That's basically what we're what we're trying not to do, but of course
Yeah, I ordered all the stickers
I ordered all the stickers in bulk because it was the only way to get ones that I knew would last for like automotive applications
Which I anticipated some people would want and the shirts are made by a
Trans lady in the city of seattle. And so I want to do that again. Also, they fit great
Yeah, so excited for everybody to get them. Uh-huh. We we're talking about what our next merch drop is going to look like and also
Yeah, because like what we printed zero extra shirts like we printed the exact amount ordered. Yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh
So we don't we don't have extra shirts to sell you right now
I guess is the the thing I am uh clarifying. So, uh, I think we'll figure it out. We'll do another run of black shirts
Maybe we'll do some white shirts, uh
For after labor day don't drink coffee
Don't drink coffee don't have cats of dark hair
Uh
Are planning on wrenching in it
Yeah, but in any case, uh, yeah, so thank you to all of you for that and now that the official bookkeeping is done with our listeners
Uh, unfortunately, we have to start the episode with another bad vibe section
Uh, because there was a massive loss for the racing world while we were gone
in that Kyle Busch
passed away, uh from pneumonia, which is just like extremely young at the age of 41, which was just incredibly
One startling and surprising and two just really tragic
Yeah, because he had won a race like seven days previous which like, yeah, uh, what did I text you 41 scares the shit out of me
Yeah, yeah, there's no there's no way to die at 41
But I mean it's also this isn't how you expect racing drivers to drop dead, you know, no you uh, like it's you know
Rest in peace Ken block but like Ken block died doing Ken block things, you know what I mean, uh
Kyle Busch just dropping dead of pneumonia doesn't
That doesn't sit right and also like, you know
Sepsis is another thing that I think should scare the shit out of everyone all the time forever
Uh, so yeah, uh, hey if you're sick and you just seem to not be getting better
Maybe go to a different doctor. Maybe go to a different ER like, I don't know
Yeah, well, and that's the thing is it, you know progressed very rapidly and you know
He's got he's got a wife and two really young kids that you know are left behind now
Which is really extremely heartbreaking because he was really young
Uh, but I think it is worth like
Noting his career, uh, he
Over the course of his life. He basically made a case to be considered one of the greatest race car drivers of all time
And there's a solid argument that he's the greatest NASCAR driver who's ever lived
Yeah, I uh
He's he was such an
In the
kind of clean for tv era of
NASCAR
He was the only person who realized that playing into being the heel
When he was winning a lot would be sick like he's the only person who played the villain on tv that I actually think, uh
Got what he was doing in NASCAR in a way where it's just like
I think a lot of racing drivers when they get pinned into the heel roll
Uh, because they're either winning too much or whatever
I feel like they get hurt about it when kyle bush got
His heel run. He was just like yay. I'm a guy. I'm I'm yeah, I'm gonna embrace it. it
You all are going to love this shit
um
One of one of the favorite ways I saw him memorialized, um after after his death was announced was
blue sky
mutual follower of mine posted the
Like 45 minute kyle bush swearing in his car radio
Highlight reel which is just very much like he was very he wanted to win. He did not really like
He was less concerned with uh
The other people's opinions of him than he was with like
necessarily winning and he didn't do that at the expense of being like a bad person like he
Everything that I've seen from everybody who ever met him was that he was like an incredibly kind generous person. He was always very like
Personable he mentored like as he was getting older. He was mentoring a lot of people who were kind of like
Coming up in NASCAR
And so like he had mellowed a bit with time
But that didn't really seem like it was even that much of a switch for him. It just he is, you know
NASCAR is just different now
He had always just kind of been a really nice guy
There was a there was a story that um, Alana's king, uh wrote for rodentrack
That i'm going to link in the show notes and I really highly recommend people read it because you know
She was a huge fan of his he was the the driver that got her into NASCAR at the age of like 12
Because again, you know, he started when he he was supposed to start racing when he was 16 years old
And they wouldn't let him do it because they still had a cigarette sponsorship
And so he had to wait till he was 18
I mean like he he raced
For his entire life, but you know, she she was a fan of his and then you know became a journalist
Interviewed him a bunch and described as very generous at this time
Absolute sweetie, and she did like a very very incredibly moving um eulogy for him
And I really recommend reading it because like she she actually like
Knew him better than either of us do for sure. Yeah, I think it's um, I I I never I never met the man
But yeah him and his brother were just such a
They were
They were the excitement for so long in NASCAR. Uh, yeah, even if you weren't watching the races, uh
When it was a big Kurt or Kyle bush weekend, I would listen to I would watch the NASCAR
Radio highlight youtube video they put out because I knew both of them would be saying some shit
Oh
Yeah, also like I don't know
the man the man uh the man
The the bow the bow every time he won the bow is just so good. Um, I saw that everyone did it this weekend
after his passing
um
I fucking yeah, I I feel my heart goes out to everyone in uh, who's a fan of NASCAR or even just like
Hell he helped like get bubble Wallace his start like this man this man was like
Yeah, I've never I've never uh, he's a very
NASCAR drivers and wrestlers are very of a pair to me. We've had this discussion before where it's just like
they are
Real athletes who are playing characters
And even though, you know, NASCAR is not scripted
probably
uh
Some people have argued otherwise, uh over the years, but um, you know
Do I want
Do I want someone like kyle bush? Uh, who is both going to be like
The pantomime villain when he it is appropriate for him to do so but also like
He's the happy guy, uh, who just wants to ride the the m&m's car into victory lane
Or am I going to like kyle bush the guy who has the biggest chip on his shoulder and also once again
Lost his job for saying the n-word
Oh, you mean kyle larson kyle. Oh, what did I say kyle bush again? He said kyle bush. Yeah. No, no, no
There are too many kiles
Well, yeah one less kyle that sucks. That's bad
I kyle larson was just the worst and kyle larson's chip on his shoulder era where he's saying that he's a better
Racecar driver than max for stappen because won't do the chili bowl
He's just one of those like hmm being american has melted your brain mr. Larson. That's okay. Yeah
But yeah, where is where's bush like just genuine genuinely seems like he was like, you know
A really good guy his left. It's an extreme bummer his last race and it's also not fair at all. I don't know
his last race when
him
You know, he knew he was sick obviously because he had pneumonia
but like
his last race win is interview and like
afterwards is actually
Really unnerving because it's him talking about like, you know, you don't know when the next one is going or the next one's gonna come
Or when it's gonna be the last one. So you just gotta yeah, you gotta celebrate them all which I think is a really good note to
Uh
To the sign off on him with yeah, it's it's just one of those things where I came out of a podcast recording
And it was to be like, oh kyle bush died and I was like, uh
uh
Yeah, and also just just uh because I feel like it's worth mentioning
234 career wins across the three top series of nascar, which was significantly more than anyone else in history has ever had
across those three series he led
47,968 laps
Which is straight up fucking superhuman
Um, it's really and 19 straight seasons with a cup win
Which is also more than anyone else in history like a combination of like longevity and like this is what's such a bummer about it
Is that I mean there are many levels of it that are a bummer, but like he was still winning. He was like there is there was no like, uh
Warning that this was going to happen. He was still winning. a really good driver
He still had probably a lot more seasons in him
Um
He was gonna be like one of those guys doing arcas is 60s. Yeah
Yeah, like and that's what I that's what it should have been because he just loved racing and it's just it's
it's just a loss for
His family and like the sport at large and it just it just sucks. I think it was brad keselowski
I didn't put the the link in in our notes, but um, I saw brad keselowski say something to the effect of I feel like, uh, you know
The the coyote has like lost the road runner or vice versa
Basically where like, you know, the the two of them had inspired a lot on track
But it was very much within the the context of like, you know
We have this racing rivalry that is like entertaining and we both kind of enjoy doing it and one half of the pairing doesn't really make
sense without the other and like that seemed like a very good way to put it. It's just like it's it's a massive loss for
Everybody that kind of like raced with him too
Um, because he was such an incredible competitor
It's gonna feel yeah, it's going to feel very empty without him there and um
Yeah, uh, I
You know, they're retiring his number until his son is ready to race, which I think is
That's exactly the yeah, that's exactly the right move and yeah, I
I just feel really bad for his family and all this like, you know
teammates and everything because they were planning to race like the next weekend. I mean, it was just they had
It's it was just shocking. Um, so
that happened first of all, which was just kind of
Wildly unexpected for basically everybody I think, um, it's just jarring much everyone was it is jarring. I mean like
I don't know. I think about this never anybody dies underneath the age of 70 is I'm like, that's not fair
That's been at the age of 41. It's just incredibly
Not fair
Also, it's always tough to see someone
Die of just a
Preventable illness, you know, it feels yeah
No, it doesn't feel like that should be a thing that people have to suffer with anymore. I don't know
Especially not when you are you have been NASCAR rich your entire life. Basically like it just goes to show like
Take care of yourself. He
He he like they called the ambulance when he was in the simulator because he passed out while he was like
Practicing for the neck for like the upcoming race. I mean like I he
it's
It is very much one of those things. It's just like I
I uh
I look forward to the day when people don't drop dead young from things that we should be able to catch
But it we very much still live in that era and it's just unfair and miserable
Uh, but yeah, I felt like we had to talk about it because I mean the entire motorsports world is
completely changed now
truly completely um, and it was uh
And over motorsports like memorial day weekend too, which is just yeah
It because I it did feel very odd having Montreal and not monaco be part of the the best day in motor racing
but uh
That it did feel I mean canada's a better race than monaco. So at least that was kind of nice, but uh, yeah
A bunch of the indie teams all ran tributes to him. I believe at least one of the f1 teams did as well. So I'm um
Yeah, it was a international loss. Yeah
Yeah, but I again, I will again
I will I'll reiterate that I'm gonna link um a lot of this story and it's really good
And you should you should really read it. Uh, if you want to if you don't know anything about him
And you want to understand like why this was a huge loss? She does an incredible job of laying it out
And it's a very beautifully written story. I was extremely emotional reading it. It was it was a beautiful piece
um, but uh, okay
No good segue because that's just all around a huge bummer
But we have we do have good news for once. We have something fun
um, and this is what time it is personal this time it is not
No, no, we have the the material circumstances have not affected the show the omni crisis has not
Devoured us all something just good without strings attached happened. Jordan. Do you want to tell us what it is?
My wife and I leased a new car
Woo
Yeah, our our our centra is leaving us
uh
aka I need to
Clean that out and put a private party sale together because
That car is worth more money that I thought it was which means I need to put an ad together which means hello listeners
If you would like a 2021 Nissan centra at the I know I I listen to the show discount
Let your girl know um
My wife and I leased an Ioniq five
Because the six did you
We were gonna hold out for the six getting fixed on recall until we went to the dealership for uh,
stella to drive uh
To stella for to drive the Ioniq five to make sure it didn't feel too cross over huge for her which it yeah
It feels slightly taller than the last golf I sat inside like I it's it's not tall
That is a hatchback. That is just a little a little gangly, you know
Victoria do you want to know how many names they have on the list for their last Ioniq six once the recall and stop sale is over
Well, I mean given what I know about how manufacturers are leaving evs by the way side
No one wants to dance. I assume negative five
65 people are on that list to call for when they can sell that car
But jordan, I thought the invisible hand of the market would efficiently allocate resources to the vehicles people wanted the most
I think it's all horseshit dog. I think the economy's
Not to like the economy is fine. Actually. I just don't think the economy is a thing that anyone
Actually has a firm agreement on because again, I think a lot of the problem with things is either like
We are dealing with actual shortages for the first time since like the fucking 70s and also
No one in human history has ever been able to wrap their mind around how it fl- how inflation works
Yeah, that's true
Think yes things are bad, but also
The car market just is stupid and is all going to explode. Anyways, we got an Ioniq five. It's um
I keep comparing it to my first car, which was a hand-me-down o3
Base base model elantra
And sure I think hundime may have gone through some changes in the intervening 23 years
Sure did but it feels like they went through 50 years of technological advancement not 23
That's fair. I mean
So just just to throw this out there because my my experience with uh, I have never driven an Ioniq
I would really like to but I never got to go on like a hundi press trip and I didn't know anybody who had one until now
um
But I did drive the kia ev6 which is built on the same e gmp platform
And the ev6 is such a nice car that it
redefined what evs could be for me mentally and I've basically told everybody I've ever met
Uh, who's like I want something that's like kind of fun to drive and like, you know, good on
Good on range and not too expensive. I'm like just go get a kia ev6 or an Ioniq five
Um, just drive them both and see which one you like better because it's a matter of personal preference
I we liked the styling of the five
We like the whole Ioniq vibe. Um, we have a we have the updated for 26 one
Which means it has the the tesla the tesla yaoi hole for the charger
Uh, and it came with all the adapters in the trunk. So I can I can charge wherever baby. Um
It's
Things I don't let's just get the things I don't like out of the way first. Um, all right. Yeah
Being having to have an app for my car
I
Doesn't feel great and I can't put my finger on
Exactly. What's yucking my yum about that? But the phone is where the bad things happen
That's why I don't like apps for anything is because that's where all of the things that give me anxiety and make me upset are
And my car isn't supposed to do that. Uh-huh. Um
Hey, at least it's not a lucid app. It's not a lucid app. Oh boy
I
weird car blue sky
You bully demanded to buying a lucid and that's the worst thing anyone's done on on car blue sky
That's fucked. I can't believe you all did that to that nice man
Uh, yeah, the funniest thing was that he he announced he bought that the day after uh, or the day before
Jason fensky from engineering explains dropped his big explainer video
On how his he had to get his car bought back
Uh, because it was so unreliable and had so many problems with it. So I'm sure I hope that goes well
but also like as as a
Long time lucid apologist, even I'm kind of like, I don't know. I don't know dawg. dawg
Uh things I don't like uh the app uh the app's fine. I just don't like having to use it. Um
Charging still seems to be a crapshoot sometimes, but I think that's infrastructure and not the car
It is uh, there are enough tesla
Either tesla style chargers or just straight up tesla chargers in the area that i'm not
sweating it
We only have level one at the house
Which is not great, but it is usually overnight enough
To replenish all daily driving. So that's charging is not an overall issue
But I did text you that first day and be like, hmm
Uh already having a charging issue isn't maybe uh inspiring the most confidence at me, but it's been fine
Yeah, I since I had an ev 9
That I had for a press trip and I did a road trip with it
And then charging was way more of a nightmare than I expected it to be part of this is because of uh
Charger incompatibility part of this is because rivian is a big fat liar
And they were like all of our chargers will be open to everybody as of like fall of 2025
Or spring of 2025 then they moved it to fall and I had planned on using a rivian charger
So I almost ended up stuck in forks washington
Uh living out uh my my ev
Twilight nightmare
Is it oh, yeah forks is twilight not twin peaks. I was like, yeah forks is twilight. Um, uh
Hyundai dealerships still seem
They seem baffled when people want the full electric still they they both the salesman both
Could not believe that we didn't want to see anything else or anything bigger
And yet was complaining that they can't keep
fives in stock
And I don't get like the car salesman mind is a fascinating place and I can't
I can't claim to know exactly what is going on up there
But he seemed to both not understand why we wanted to
Go for an a five
If
Not a nine or a six or whatever the big huge one is
The I think it's a nine the nine's us the nine's heinous
It's a heinous piece of work design wise. Um
But uh
The amount of the amount of capacitive touch buttons really does blow
Uh, there's no getting around that the big center touchscreen already. I see every single fingerprint
On it. That's not great. Uh, the drive select mode selection looks like it's a knob, but it's actually a fucking button
Uh, and that is uh really
Bothering me the regular steering is so numb it almost borders on
Not dangerous
But it feels like I there's a disconnection
Between the wheel and the front wheels in a way that does scare the shit out of me. However
Sport steering all the time ain't no problem adds enough weight back that I know what it's doing and I can like feel it
So that's
that's okay
And that's it negative wise
Legitimately that's solid. Yeah, if you're if you're a car reviewer and that's your entire list
That's pretty solid for a modern car. Yeah, like, uh, okay, so we got
We got the sel all-wheel drive, which was a higher trim level than we intended but also
395 horse all-wheel drive pennsylvania winters
There was a lot going for both me in there and also, uh, you know
I've never truly wanted all-wheel drive more than once in the winter up here, but like
Why not?
Why not?
You know, well also like they can't keep them on lots and so presumably you're kind of limited in what you can actually get
They didn't have the original of re-wheel drive base one. We were looking at and like the lease rates weren't
There was $9,000 in cash on the hood of this thing
And they can't keep them in stock
it
The the EV market
Still feels entirely disconnected from reality, but in a positive way for the consumer
Like seriously, they don't know what they have and they want to get rid of them and I don't understand why
Because it's perfect. Um, y'all ever heard about this thing called the Strait of Hormuz?
I don't know. I
They blew up where the engine oil comes from
Just gonna say remind me Jordan. How much engine oil does your car take? None none, uh
The front frunk is also way too small. That's that's also fine. Uh, there's a crumple zone and like where the 12 volt battery is at
everything up there. Um
This is the first car I have driven from Hyundai in a really long time
That I think if you took all the badges off it would
I would be stunned to think it's not like some
Way more expensive thing than it is because it's so nice on the inside
Um, yeah, the they're
The level of materials they are working with at Hyundai now
Is nicer than the last like big three German cars I've been inside
Which is one of those like oh my god, right a couple years ago
You all went to BMW and Mercedes at Audi and just went to all of their chief designers and was like hey
Do you like Korean food and also what's a really big number that you all can think about?
um
There's these beautiful
machined
aluminum paddles on the back of the wheel
That set your regenerative braking
Yeah, oh my god, they're so nice, uh
Yeah, well, and this is also like
I think I think the one thing that I will say about like having been in like all the Kia stuff
Is that it does feel like
Actually somewhat forward-looking they are not just throwing enormous screen in the center of the car
And it does feel like it's actually more tastefully integrated for the most part
Um, and also like if you drive other EVs even stuff that is priced at more
They still don't understand that like touch points should feel like you're paying
40 or 50 or $60,000 for a car and so it's like cool. I love my plastic extruded paddle. Look at you
Tesla, yeah, I I mean Tesla
I was thinking about GM with this like the blazer EV feels criminally cheap inside
For a car that costs the exact same and it's supposed to be in the same market segment. Yeah allegedly. I it's
It's such a nice car. Um, I
I didn't even drive it on the test drive because I was just sitting next to Stella and I she was loving it
So I was just like, oh, I'm not gonna have any beef with it. But
Um, I have been I've probably put in a good hundred miles behind the wheel now. I found some of my favorite roads in Pittsburgh
um
I don't know if I would be comfortable with the level of extra acceleration that the end would provide
Because a hard launch in sport with the all-wheel drive model is enough to give me that like
Pit of the tummy light nausea feeling
Yes, and I don't
I don't get any of the reviewers who said that the regular base five
feels numb or whatever because maybe the sport steering is like a newer setting
but like that that
Rack when it's in sport mode is the nicest like drive by wire rack. I've ever touched
um
There is a road that is used here in Pittsburgh for the hill climb portion of the Pittsburgh vintage Grand Prix
And it's very empty all the time
So I went up and down that a couple of times, uh, and dynamically it's just a joy. It it it's playful. It doesn't it feels
Heavy, but it doesn't feel like
It's bloated, you know, like it's still light and nimble. It's just every now and then when you're like
Asking it to stop. It's like or change direction quickly. It takes like
a little bit more time
then uh, or it wants to like
It wants to push a little bit or break the wheels loose, which that's also
That thing slides good. good
That that's it's fun. Um
Yeah, I just
It's a joy, uh one pedal driving with regen all the way up feels
Incredibly intuitive
Uh, I really thought it was going to take more time for me to feel comfortable doing it all around town
But I I am it's nice to go out for a drive and literally break even on range
Not wash my range drip at all because I was going like, you know, I was using one pedal in full regen. That's lovely
um
Yeah, I'll probably have a more complete review at some point, but um
Yeah, it's
I can't imagine wanting more like I there was part of me that like I saw an end an Ioniq end the day that we were gonna go
um
Test drive it and maybe lease it and I was just like, uh
Are we gonna are we gonna feel bad about not going full end performance?
And then I'm gonna be like no, that would be stupid
Like I don't know what you even need all of that for like it is still our daily
um
But yeah, also you get more range
I'm pretty sure out of the sel because the end is like
The the the name of the game with performance EVs and this is kind of like something I've said before is that they get worse range
And so you don't
You're you're basically paying for a fun toy more than you are a daily driver because like, you know
Again, especially if you're charging on like level one overnight
You're you don't want to dip too deep into range all the time because you want to be able to replenish it overnight and like that's
I think that that's a smarter choice
Also the thing that's cool with the hundais and the key is everything on the e gmp platform
That I am a huge fan of is that they're all 800 volt architecture
Uh because Hyundai was like we're going to actually spend money
Developing this um instead of doing a last minute the u.s. Government held a gun to our head. We're going to build a compliance car
uh-huh
um
general motors um
and so the
it's
It implies good things about the longevity of the car, especially if you're not fast charging all the time because
The the main like upsides of an 800 volt system are like. Oh, hello, bb. Hello
Um, the main upsides of an 800 volt architecture are like you generate less heat. There is less resistance
So you are not cooking every component in the car, which is like a big concern for longevity
Uh around e v's and it it's part of why I recommend them to people is because it's like I think this will last
Notably longer and there are not that many manufacturers that actually have full 800 volt systems castle doesn't they very noticeably do not
yeah, um the
uh
Porsche outie have it. I there probably are others at this point
But when I was like actively reviewing the e v's and knew the scene
That was basically the only two. It's like kia Hyundai and uh, Porsche outie. Is the cyber truck not on
800 volt. I believe that is a 400 volt architecture fascinating. Um, I will say
We did lease because you know, we didn't want to do full
used e v
Because we wanted something brand new, uh, especially something that had the
The new standard which is the tesla charger. Um
But you know, we did a three-year lease because
You know, we're not against the idea of buying it out when the lease is over but also
I kind of want to see what the market looks like e v wise in three years. So, um
Yeah, we will have the car for at least three years. Um, I don't see anything going wrong in that three
I know that they were having early issues with the iccu, which is there like
It's there, uh
It was there like routing system between the the 800 volt system and the 12 volt system
Those were going pop all the time on early fives, apparently
Yeah, but there's a fix now and ours has the new part. So I'm not all right
I'll I'll issue a correction instead of having to do it in the notes. Apparently the cyber truck does actually use an 800 volt
System by paralleling two 400 volt batteries together and then they did actually update the
Architecture for it, which I don't think isn't shared in any of their other vehicles
Which is kind of funny to me. No, which means that the most technologically advanced
Architecture for a tesla is actually the cyber truck. I know that in I wasn't I couldn't remember because the Hummer EV
used two 400 volt batteries
Like linked together and then you it would work as a 400 volt system, but you could like
Change them from parallel to series. I'm bad at electrical engineering
So I don't remember which way it was but it would act like an 800 volt system
So you could dump or charge into it quickly because it's the only way you could recharge that battery in a human amount of time
But that doesn't actually solve the underlying issue of oh, wow, you're cooking every component in the car
When you charge it, uh, so I couldn't remember if that was a hummer only or a cyber truck
And I guess the cyber truck is 800 volt architecture. Okay, so I guess you could have gotten a cyber truck
That was that was one of the reasons for the cyber the only reason I know that is because that is why the cyber truck took
An additional year was because tesla engineers couldn't figure out how to make an 800 volt system
Uh, uh, but I they only beat the entire market by a decade and they couldn't figure out something that that Porsche was doing in like what 2020
I think buying a tesla at this point is uh a sign of like cognitive impairment
I when this car exists like genuinely
I am going to become one of those annoying women where it's just like unless you absolutely
Cannot charge within 25 miles of your house. I don't think
You have any fucking reason to buy a gas daily
I just don't I I that it's
It's such a good car it has warped my impression of like other new cars
We poked around at a bmw i4
It feels it feels like they made a last gen
Four series electric it doesn't feel like a new car
It feels old every tesla feels old it all just like
This is what the present should be like
If you asked child me what a car from 2026 should be like I would have picked the Ioniq five
And also I would have gone and surely this is like a 100000 dollars right and it's like no like
our lease is
Not a lot
I forget the exact number off the top of my head right now because I didn't throw it in my notes, but like
I
If you can if you're shopping for a new daily
Just go just go get an Ioniq five like don't what are you stupid just go like it's like
If you can have an ev in your life or you won an ev in your life
I don't see a lot of good arguments being made for anything else like
Sure if you want the sedan go for the i4 it's at least it's not a tesla
But like yeah the the five is just a joy
It's a happy car too
in a way that I
It's playful. I don't know it reminds me of uh
It reminds me of the fondness I used to have for uh all of the mini coopers that were in have been in my life
Oh, yeah, yeah where it feels like like no it is a competent happy little sporty thing
And it just wants to be there for you and unlike any fit like it
Five transmits inside it. Yeah, we could put it. We could put uh, we could put so many t-slurs inside that thing
And also it's not gonna go all british and or german on me electronics wise. So
Yeah, I feel very cool very good
It's cool that the modern car market is such that basically this podcast official stance is only korean cars
Are actually worth spending new car money on at this point
Yeah, and like I'll be a honda apologist forever
But like if you buy a prologue or if you bought an acura zdx for the 20 minutes it was out
I am going to side eye you to be fair. That was also a chevrolet blazer, which I would have been pretty vocally anti
Uh chevrolet blazer straight up mean about this episode. I would argue
Uh
It makes me weep for like what were those hondas gonna be like the electric ones they were gonna build here
Because they would have been so cool. I'm sure in like the in earth 2
Where like we we've established like, uh, you know a socialist paradise and honda is like, you know
Just cranking out nice efficient evs. We charge off of our big solar grid that we we've partnered with china to kind of like
You know put over every parking lot in the state of texas
We're just exporting energy to the rest of the world. I'm sure that those evs are lovely
I hope that those people on earth 2 are having a good time. Yeah, I because I'm sure not I really just
And not to not to start segueing into our next topic, but
upon
Being an ev owner
lesser uh
I am
Immediately it feels like I have the they live glasses
And I can now detect when people are falling for like ev based culture war bullshit
Which is why I think all of you are fucking wrong about the Ferrari luce, but victoria you want to take us away on that one
Uh, yeah, I should pull up. So uh here on the show I over the weekend was like
I think that would be funny if I did an official poll
And you're all fucking cheap
You're all fucking cheap
To be because jordan and I have a disagreement. I suppose I should should set up the the uh debate here
Ferrari
Unveiled the entire luce. We had seen the interior design before which was designed by uh johnny ive
Um, which I also hated I'm back to negative on the interior of that thing
Did I tell you that that I am back to negative on the interior? Thank you. Yeah, thank you
It's awful, uh, but they unveiled the entire luce of which I had what I would describe as an immediate allergic reaction
It is one of the it is genuinely to me feels like record shit
It feels like they are intentionally designing the least ambitious
Most boring ev possible so they can sell none of them and say see nobody wants these
Granted they will probably sell all of them because people are just gonna buy whatever so they can keep their allocations because cars are just Rolexes now
um
It's calling it an own ambitious design is one of the craziest things I haven't seen in this entire
talk if you call if you told okay, so
Uh, I did a poll about it on the patreon and I gave three options. I like the ferrari luce design
I do not like the ferrari luce design a secret third thing
25% of you like it
58% of you do not like it 17% of you told us in the comments, which was a hundred and 88 comments
Uh, we this is a much more widely voted poll. There were 651 votes in this
Um, so I think we can just register uh as like a polling organization now move over rasmussen. We're coming for you
I so I will because I am being negative about it. I I want to dunk on this first
Johnny ive did the interior mark newson did the exterior uh mark newson did that ferrari ev or ford ev design
um
Like in the early 2000s where it was like this is what the apple car is going to become someday
They're like this is their design partnership
um
Ferrari executive chairman john elkin uh said about the luce we are expanding what a ferrari can be not losing what a ferrari is
Yeah, this car costs
$640,000
Uh, it makes some over 1,000 horsepower number through some combination of motors and what I
No one gives a shit because we as we've discussed on this show in the past once you get over a thousand horsepower
It's all fake that said it will still get walked by a uh, xiaomi the xu7 or su7
Um, which has 1500 horsepower and is like a full half a second quicker to 60. Um
I think this would be a very
This would be an okay nissan area
Is kind of where i'm at on it like it is
They did this weird
Fuck-ass two-tone thing where it you know the rear end looks like it is swallowing a much smaller more attractively
styled car which is like again a very like
2019 ev design
um
It they did the the cowards two tone on the bottom where they they black out all the lower trim to make it look like
It's more svelte than it is
Uh, but they didn't even do that ambitiously
The only part of the car that I think has a a somewhat interesting angle is the front three quarters
The the front air dam is kind of interesting and pays homage to like more ambitious concepts in the past
But the entire thing to me feels like
It feels like the disappointment you get when you see a bunch of ambitious concept designs
And then the real thing comes out like this is there is a larger delta between like the design inspirations for this car
Which are indisputably like a bunch of like cool ambitious 70s and 80s like wedge concepts
And this actual car then there was between like the concept prowler and what we actually got
You know what I mean?
Like it just feels like by the time they actually made this through however many committees that had to go through it was just
It's so
absurdly boring like the rear angle of this car is just like they forgot to style it
I do not understand how the rear
Section of the car from like basically the the c-pillar back was designed it. It is so
wildly unambitious
There is there are so few like style lines and really the only way they could figure out to like make it look sporty
Was to throw a black plastic panel on the the doors on the front doors of this car
which like
I guess pay homage to like better Ferraris of the past
But in this case just look incredibly cheap
Like if you if you put a picture of this car next to a picture of I don't know take your pick
Any number of like high-end performance Chinese EVs
I think the su7 is a good example here or notably in the u.s. The taikan
this looks
so
so bland and so forgettable and it just it feels
It feels like they have at you know, charitably just lost the plot
Um, uncharitably. I mean really it is kind of like yeah, we're selling an EV now and look at what you made us do
We're we're gonna sell this this
Boring like to me you I know you have a different take on this Jordan
And I will wrap up so you can deliver it soon, but I just feel like the
The design brief here was we are going to make an EV the way that culture war people think EVs have to be built
Which is that they are all blob SUVs
And we can't do like I mean lotus has the that that incredible EV design supercar
You know remox got the crazy supercar if you're gonna do a first EV
For ferrari and prove that your cars are actually still special even without a combustion drivetrain
Why would you not do that?
Like you you're telling me that like your your first foray into hybridization was the la ferrari
And this is your first attempt at building a full EV. It looks like an ID for
That's so that's so kind to the ID for
Jordan and I I don't think I've ever had a more intense disagreement about something that doesn't matter
Which is why this show is fun
But like you have a completely different view on it. Go for it even then
I don't like I don't think this is like the most gorgeous ferrari design of the last 20 years
I don't think it's the most gorgeous ferrari design of the last
Year
Uh, it would be the most gorgeous Nissan design of the past five
This is but this is the argument that I keep seeing over and over again. That's driving me fucking crazy
Uh, everyone who is going like, oh, it's good if it's a blank, but not a ferrari then you're admitting it's good
I don't you can't say that it also go eat is a bad design. That's not
It's
$640,000 if if ferrari came out with a car that was the 2008 civic si
I'd be like damn that would be a great honda, but I am not paying
$640,000 for a honda civic si and I'm not paying $640,000 for a ferri
I'm just saying that if someone with eyes and an understanding of design language and heritage
I think it's good. It both it has design cues all over it from ferrari's of the past
So it is definitely it
I don't understand what john elkins statement it led. John. I think john elkins a fucking idiot
Like I don't think that guy's good at running ferrari
I just think that he's he's like we're expanding what ferrari can be not losing what it is which like
Yes, they're a publicly traded company. They're not owned by fiat anymore
They took a huge hit after announcing this e.v. By the way, sure they did but also like
I think it's good that they basically didn't just take a 296 body and make it electric and go. This is our e.v
Because people buyers don't want that either these high-end for are these high-end super car buyers
That lotus didn't sell remock can't sell cars to save their life anymore
It's just no one wants an electric e.v. If you're going for a super car that is fair like like I I think uh
Both astin and lamborghini have cancelled theirs
And also the the lamborghini one was a huge crossover too, but that it just looked like a uh a fucking eventador on stilts
But I mean here's the thing right is it like lamborghini already made the urus
So like I expect basically the worst thing ever from them at this point
the urus is one of the what like
If you were ranking automotive sins against design, I think the urus belongs in your top 10. It is genuinely hateful
It is ferrari like
I know I I am not a huge fan of the most recent like f80, you know tester us a revival thing
We talked about this before but also like that's still
Trying to do something here
this is
not we
love the ferrari ff in this podcast
We do yes
I
load up the way back machine and look at every reaction to when the ff came out and it's not kind
I mean, okay, so I actually disagree because my cultural document that I think of in my mind for the ferrari ff
And why it has established itself in the mythology
You know internally for me as like this incredible ferrari is dan neale reviewed it
For the wall street journal back when I was a fucking 15
Read the wall street journal every day because you know, I'm healthy and normal
And he talked about how much he loved it. He was like, yes, it's a little non-standard
But also it drives incredible and like it's you know, it's still very sexy
And I think the big thing is that if you if I stand next to a ferrari ff or the the
f12 whatever, you know
Successor car to it. It comes up to about my belly button
Yeah, it is a shooting break
This I saw somebody standing next to this it had I think it's about the same size as uriatic 5 if not bigger
It's it's slightly smaller than the than their suv the pure sanghway
Yeah, and the pure sanghway carries its weight better
It like it looks
Less like an enormous bar of soap. I I hate the pure sanghway
I think it is I think once you name your car pure blood you have already lost the argument
That's fair. I will say
This is trying to this be
A family ferrari in a way they have not done
Truly in a very very long time because I don't even think the pure sanghway is still that that is just uh
Hey, hello Los Angeles residents. Do you want to it was the is the urus too common?
Do you want to truly flex on him the suicide?
Passenger door like the rear the fact that both front and rear doors. Yeah the rx8 doors
The mini clubmen doors we could do this all day. I
I just I
It does feel insane
To be the role of defending this because I don't even think it's like great
I just don't think I don't get why where everyone's having this visceral negative reaction to it
I think a bunch of the colors they picked for the launch spec bad
That that yellow one with the yellow color matched wheels. That's heinous the blue
I don't care for the blue, but when it's in ferrari red it is one
Imistakably a ferrari to me and two like
I just uh it does feel really weird to see like
The most conservative men in automotive
In the industry
And some of my favorite people in the industry agreeing on this because it does feel like I'm like, oh no
You're falling in line with the chuds and I'm not saying that you have to like it to not fall in line with the chuds
I just think that maybe you should think about who's agreeing with you about this ferrari being bad
But this is the thing right it's like the the the chuds are like, oh, this isn't a real ferrari. Whatever
I don't I don't if I ever give any weight to what a chud thinks. I've lost. I don't care
I I just you let the president make you mad every single day
That's true. He donald trump did appear in my nightmares. Oh cool. Which is probably a sign
I need to log off the internet a little bit
Um, but like I think the thing for me is like the if you are trying to sell people on the concept of
We can do evies and keep what makes us ferrari, which I think is a crucial thing for ferrari to do
Uh, which I think is also
Paradoxically the most woke position you can take because if you actually want evies to work you have to convince people
they are actually like
a worthy successor technology to
Internal combustion engines they did this with all of their hybrids again. I lean on the la ferrari
Which you know stylistically I it's aging better than I expected
I I think that like that that's had a weird curve of appreciation to that original trio of like
918 spider mclaren p1 la ferrari were all extremely like that felt like
That felt like the future like this is like, oh my god hybrids are actually going to be like
They're going to change the entire supercar game and they have and like if you are ferrari and you're like we're going to make our first evie
Why would you make it a five-seater bar of soap that just isn't like I guess the thing about it, right is like
it's
you know rolls rice came out with their first like evie relatively recently and it
Is a rolls rice to its core and they're like we just subbed out the engine for batteries and it's smoother and quieter
And it's still a huge enormous imposing slab of like
Luxury and opulence bearing down on you as you nail a pedestrian in the crosswalk drunk driving home
Um, because that's the rolls rice being drunk driven by someone else
But like that to me is like that is the way that if you are a luxury car maker
You do introduce your first evie as you say we have not changed anything about what our heritage is or what our
Like brand identity is or we are not asking you to change your conception of us
We are building you an evie that fits into the world you already have constructed and ferrari doing this is like
It's just it's insane. I think that's part of the reason why I'm like
Oh, it's it would be cool if it were something else is because like it does it would be it does kind of look like an aria to me
from the side profile it is not
If you have a blank sheet and a 700000 dollar price tag
And you are ferrari
Why would you develop something that looks like it has to platform share with like three other cars?
Do you know what I mean? Like like the new leafy v
I understand why it looks like the leafy v because they have to make a bajillion of them that platform is going to be used for
10 other cars. It's gonna have a 15 year life cycle. It's gonna have to have like
Different motors and drive like it's modular. That's how mass marketing works
But ferrari doesn't have to do that and clearly demand is totally inelastic if they can charge 600 and 40000 dollars for this
So like I think for me, it's just a matter of like
Why would you be so unambitious?
Unless you were purposely trying to like tank
What people think of evie's I don't think it's I just disagree with the premise that it's unambitious
I think trying to expand the brand while also not hurting your gas
line
Because what they're not gonna no one who wants to buy either
The amal is the amal fee the roma replacement the amal fee
The 296 you're asking ferrari questions. I don't know
They don't want to touch anything in their existing lineup. So it has to be something new
Right because their buyers won't take
Think about how much their buyers freaked out when the 296 was using the twin turbo v6
Instead of yeah v8 and even then yeah
Ferrari buyers are not good at those big changes when it comes to the core line
You have to do something like this on the side
And then also they this is going to platform share
Because ferrari as much money as they have
Ferrari are independent now
And for every one of their evie's from here. Yeah, of course, they probably did the easiest evie shape first
but also
They want to sell these they want to get people putting real miles on them with their families
And I don't see why that's a bad thing. It's a beautiful. It's not like
I I would do you mind if I quote friend of the show and a previous guest and also
You know kind of kind of my boss from the other podcasts about yeah, november
November saw this and also hated it and she she had a quote on it that I think was perfect
Which is there are two families to have spent a lot of time in a ferrari's together
Their names are ferrari and schumacher if you buy a ferrari it should come with a trial separation agreement in the glove box
Yes, that is from the idea
The idea of a ferrari family car as being your first your best foot forward with a new
completely new technology is just
Why?
Because it'll get you the allocation for the next special thing. That's the real reason why
But I know think it's I I don't think we could complain about
Because it's either that or this bit or ferrari just never makes
Like never innovates at all
ferrari gets punished every time they try to do something new
And it is always looked upon fondly as soon as that era has passed like
Do I think there is I
I will find a hat and eat it if this car ever gets like a reappraisal and everybody's like
Oh, yeah, that was actually a high high mark for ferrari design. I don't think it's going to be a high mark for design
I just don't think it's going to be bad
Again, oh, I I just don't think it's bad even touch the interior yet
Which I can't stand after being at a different ev and I know I was softening on the interior for a while
but like the interior is just
It's it's too apple store
I the the amount of people blaming johnny i for the exterior has just been one of those other little clues that I am like
Ah, you all are just following things that other people said to get mad about and are just mark newson isn't a good
Supercar designer like the I agree. It's not a supercar. I've reported this
It's a family car using it's a family car using
Ferrari hallmarks of designs. Please please fill in me doing italigan hand gestures
It's a ferrari and ferrari needs to change and expand what they are because they're an independent company
Who's not getting subsidized by fiat anymore?
That's entirely fair and I guess what I'm saying is that like uh capitalism comes for us all and destroys everything that was once holy
That's that's kind of where I'm at with this. It's like I am not even a ferrari fan. I don't like this is pretty
I I I think that if you are a ferrari fan if you're like, oh my god, the company's over
Totally fair read from this
No, because that's what people say anytime they do anything and guess what it's always fine
It's always fine
People do you see you you see what logo it's got on it? It's the yellow little prancing course
It's gonna sell they there's already a three year wait list for these so it doesn't matter it actually doesn't matter
It's just like this is where I'm like
And I also I'm just like
The peep it's like oh, I bet if those ferrari buyers could read social media from plebians
I bet they'd be really upset to see what we're doing about their new family car
But I guess what they don't care because they need to buy one of these so they can get the 849
speciale or whatever in two years
I just I guess I guess it's the thing it's just like as it
It if you're gonna do an EV for the first time ever
Your goal should be to make it a bedroom wall car. Your goal should be to convince
Not to convince like your buyers who increasingly will do whatever the fuck they have to to get the next ferrari because again
Demand is in elastic at the top end of the market
There is no world in which there will not be an endless line of billionaires waiting to buy this because that's just how this market works
Like that's why we don't have any cars at the bottom end anymore, right? But like
Your if you are ferrari and you actually care about brand image
Uh, and you care about like the heritage of the company, uh, right up there with motorsports should be we build bedroom wall cars
And our most ambitious stuff needs to be
A car that goes on your bedroom wall and I cannot ever fathom
Like even even again the tecan is just a much prettier car that seats four people
Like I I don't
and like
Why I don't but the tecan is based on the panamera, which everyone fucking hated when it first came out
Okay, well they were all wrong. No the panamera is ugly there
No, okay the panamera the panamera first gen was ugly the panamera second gen was looking the panamera cross therese moe
Uh-huh, absolutely. Give me a give me. I I am a sicko for a shooting break
We I am as well. I think that it'll
they
They they didn't want to do an EV
And also I don't think anyone is putting an EV on a bedroom wall
No one's no one's lusting after remix. No one is lusting after that lotus
They're putting a gas engine in that lotus body or something. They they threw that design in the shitter
No one wanted it
It was really pretty it that doesn't mean that people are going to want the EV
And that is the thing that I think we are all
The I don't want to get in the pod. I don't want to eat the bug
As someone who just bought the pod the pod's really good to drive actually like I don't know
Sure. I also still want something else, but like
No one is buying this as their only car
Of course not it's 640000 dollars, but like I just
I
I also wish it wasn't cross over tall. I wish it was also a shooting break
I also just don't see
why it's
As controversial as it is because they said they were going to do this. They said there are EVs were going to be
Entirely afield from their existing lineup because they don't want to touch their existing lineup
Okay, but like I mean I not to be like, you know, too value-brained here
Um, because it's a Ferrari and nobody does that
But you can buy almost three lucid air sapphires
Then I all have more horsepower than this and accelerate. Yeah, but it doesn't have the horse on it
But I
I just I okay. I will say this
Uh, if you are a listener of the show who happens to have a luce on pre-order
The funniest thing in the entire world for you to do would be to slap our bumper sticker on the back
I'll send you a handful. Uh, I'll pay I'll pay for buddy. You don't even you spend all that money on the luce
Also, I have a spec for a luce, which I think will blow everyone's fucking socks off and it's the one I texted you which is
tastefully lowered
bbs
fans
black and gold fans dark red car
wow
beautiful I just I
It I think I actually do the only issue that I actually do have with that is like when you tend to lower cars that do the
Cowards way out with the black trim on the bottom
They don't look as good as you think they're gonna because again, like
We had kevin, uh, uh, Kevin Williams. He talked about this is like a lot of american cars kind of look like, you know
The sketchers shoes where they just like they've got this enormous chunk of like
Battery at the bottom and it again for 640000 dollars
I would expect them to package it better and also I mean like to be fair
They're like, oh, it's got a ton of cargo space and like I know the tecan is like not act doesn't really have that much
Like reasonable cargo space, but for the love of christ, it's a ferrari
I don't care it. I it looks like you are selling me
like
fact sheet
Comparison shopping with a tesla model y stats for a ferrari. How have you not already just realized you've lost?
I feel like as we all know ferrari went away after the 400 I came out
Like ferrari makes bad cars all the fucking time. Like I this is the other thing
They are guess what because even if if there was even a hit that ferrari was going under
Italy nationalizes ferrari like this is just where we're at like I ferrari is
Ferrari doesn't have to do anything ferrari is never going out of business ferrari is a t-shirt manufacturer that happens to make automobiles
They
Has been ruining charles leclerc's life
for
123458 years now and he signed up for more because he knows that he gets to be basically king of italy
I I will say uh, I think it was it was friend of the show nolan sikes who posted it. They gasified the mondial
That's what they did baby and let me tell you I'd rather have the one that's electric
Go all italian on me
to be fair
This thing's gonna be this and again
I just think the exterior design isn't bad and I think a lot of people who are saying it doesn't have anything to do with other
ferrari's
You're just wrong
It has designed. Yeah, that plastic piece really looks it has designed cues
Okay, like I say this is a huge apologist for the the newest integra. I love it. I think it drives incredible
I think it's a fantastic car
But the styling cues that were carried over where they stamped integra and the plastic bumper in the rear
You know like it's an embossed integra. It doesn't look like an integra otherwise
You know
Like it's just a new car that it doesn't really share any lineage with the previous cars before it because that's how time works
this
Like literally from one angle at the front and the rear tail light design
Which I still think looks more like a chevrolet impala getting bored than it does a ferrari
Uh, is that the first time one of us has said the vor word on the podcast?
I think so. Yes. Congratulations. Your podcast hosts know what vor is the fives. I'm a furry
It would be impossible to not know. Oh my god the car and driver the
Even if it's in the bad blue if you open the car driver are that is what is that front three quarters bad
Look at me and tell me that front three quarters is bad
It is the only angle of this car. You mean the one that shows all of the car victoria
Do you mean the one that's all of it?
Did you look at the rear end of the car what that looks like it has 360 tail lights. Yeah, it does it looks good
It looks
I know no no it. I just I know
if
It's just it's like the only cues in it remind me that ferrari makes much better cars that are much prettier
I just I just think that it's like it's it's
It is the ultimate sin for a ferrari which is that it is kind of boring
Like it has one character line. It's got the cool pass through on the front, which is kind of okay
And again if I saw this in like a car that cost 50 or 60 thousand dollars. I'd be like hey, that's pretty cool, but like
Everybody who learns how much it costs is like it's I'm sorry how much?
Uh because it looks like a car that costs half as much and that is never with a situation
The whole reason you buy a ferrari is to be like
It's like the same reason why people buy those big fuck-ass ugly Rolexes that say Rolex and like 300 point font and it's like
Yeah, this looks expensive. It doesn't matter if it's tasteful
It's showing off wealth this if if somebody if your valet confuses this for a three-year-old
Nissan leaf in the country club parking lot you have lost. I don't think I think for making up a guy that doesn't exist in that world like
I
There is no I am looking at all the photos again
And I'm like maybe this is maybe in the middle of this discussion is when it breaks me and I don't like it anymore
It's it's just it's just good
It's it's like not the best thing that they've ever done
But also like they haven't done a truly wonderful design since they parted ways with pinaforena
but like
I
Think the view from the rear is cool, but a little underwhelming
I think the front's really neat the three quarters is good like
I just sure I think it should be like 250 000 dollars
But also I think that's because the top of the market
Got so expensive so fast that none of us are like
prepared for what like
Like a 296 is way more than I thought it was like dear were a couple weeks ago when we were looking at 9 11 prices
And I really yeah, no, I know the top of the market has gone
So crazy price wise, but it's just like but like no one's cross shopping any of this
No, but like okay, so you you pull up to I don't know
What is the equivalent of Beijing's Wangan if you listen and you're from China? Please tell me
Uh, but like you're you're rolling down Beijing's Wangan and you're in your new Ferrari
And you do a roll race from 60 next to some guy who's got a xiaomi
Su7 that cost you could buy like four of for this car and he just fucking curb stomps you that's like
In an era where numbers are made up and this car doesn't even look that cool
That's like the ultimate final humiliation to me. No, it's called because then you look down
You see the big Ferrari logo on the steering wheel and you go I'm not doing that
Ferraris have been walked but you were doing the fast and too fast too furious more than you could afford pal argument
But like that's from the original fast sure. Yes, but I I do think that there is but like that's my point though
Is that like the that's the only stat left because nobody cares if this thing fucking drives?
Obviously, we've already seeded ground on that argument every ev like evs can be good
But that's not even the focus anymore the focus is how big of a number can you put in it?
And how fast can it go from zero to 60 and it's like your Ferrari?
Why would you make the coward black?
Lower trim piece on your crossover suv that you can't even keep up with a lucid because it
They're they're like a petro state vanity project with like a
They sell like hardly any cars. They're in fact having to buy cars back. I don't think that's good
You know, I mean ferrari's probably had to buy back cars and well, they wouldn't have bought them back
Absolutely not. They would make they would make you just keep it forever. Um
I'm interested to see how the first drive impressions go because that's when every one softened on the purosong way
Okay, well, okay. Here's the thing though. You get I as it as an automotive journalist
um, if you having seen like how rigidly
car companies police their
Drive impressions
like I mean for the love of christ like
Uh
Top gear couldn't get a la ferrari to do the three-way p1
918 spider la ferrari drag race because they were afraid the la ferrari would lose
Yes, like they are that's top gear
I mean like you can say jeremy clarkson could basically get away with you know calling for the murder of an auto executive on that show
and they'd still give him cars but like
I have seen some shit in my time in the industry where if you mildly criticize a halo car
You it's it's a dangerous thing unless you are like one of maybe two people left on earth
No one will give you an honest opinion about this car
because the entire point of car journalism at the highest end of the market is to
convince
People who already the three years of buyers already have for this that they have made an intelligent decision
And so like anybody who would be willing to criticize this they would literally drag them out back after the event and shoot them
You're not even making it onto. I just don't I I think you have a dimmer view of
This than I do because I mean
I have stories that I don't necessarily want to tell on a public podcast
About what I saw in terms of policing. What is said about cars? Oh even valid criticisms
And I just I think I got emails
Like we got every everyone who's ever worked has gotten some email from a press person
Where you could tell that the press person is lightly drunk and has maybe been crying
Because they're so upset that you didn't like whatever thing that you just did or or whatever
I but like Ferrari has the ability to kill you. I mean like they would have killed
They would have killed chris harris in the early 2000s if they could
Yeah
chris harris has been banned and unbanned from driving ferrari's three times. They'll get over it. Yes, they always do
I just I genuinely I want to know how it functions as a car because again, they don't have fiat
I I think I think getting hung up on the looks of this thing
Is maybe the least constructive way that we could be as a
As sorry, I am so distracted because I'm on car and driver on my left screen still
and
They have some man who I've never heard of doing a buyer's guide for the iris in a pop-up video
and I just keep looking at it and I'm like
I'd still rather have the luce than the iris
Okay, that's fair
That's fair
But also like in the same sense that I would rather I guess crawl across broken glass than be lit on fire with napalm
I mean like
We're we're kind of like
The scale is kind of degrades at that point
I think the the
Types of design that I have been intrigued with lately is leading me to like this
I I am in all a big fan of uh blobby big thing. Nope. Nope. Why are you opening an email?
Why are you opening an email card driver dot com? That's not good buddy. What did I click?
Let me get off there. I just I I think that this is once again
We have the two types of trans women on this podcast
Uh agp and no, uh
Uh I
It looks it it is
The word cyberpunk has gotten beat to death and left for dead, so I'm not gonna say that but like
As someone who has appreciation or a lot of tech wear
and a lot of
A lot of what marathon 2026 is design sensibility is I look at this and I go yeah
I think it's not their best design, but I think it is
Period appropriate for our current moment. It's too expensive
I bet the electronics on this for the first model year or two are going to be
A fascinating mess
because again if this were like if
It would actually be far easier for them if they were still part of the fiat group
because
To be fair that is how you just do a compliance car. That is a fiat 500 eu is some fucking Ferrari badges on it
That's if they had not gone public. That's what this would be and I think this is better than that
Because well, we like the Aston Martin sign it as a cultural object
That's not a good car. You know like I think we have to
Be okay with if these legacy these legacy makers are going to do swings and misses, but I think the more we
Let them do big swings even if it blows up in their face. I think that's good
And I guess that's just where I'm at with this
Okay, well, I think it's an affront to human
kind art
Dignity the Ferrari brand. I think that you would rightly be able to hook up a dino to Enzo's grave and power all of it
I think he would be just as pissed by the La Ferrari having a hybrid like we have been saying that
But the La Ferrari was fast. This will also be fast. No one's driven it. We don't know
Oh
I'm gonna have to do a whole hell of a lot to not get us just blow each other out constantly on this one
is
I forward a question to our listeners is the is the uh the Ferrari luce agp or not sound off in the comments
I actually you look like you just puked in your mouth. No, it's just it's just
Listeners, it's I've been lightly sick for what feels like a month now and then I was finally feeling better
And then we went to my dear friends
Dear friends, uh wedding and then of course because it's a wedding with a lot of people from out of town
I'm lightly sick again
And I just yelled slightly enough
I just yelled slightly enough to shake it all loose in my skull again
um
Victoria would you like to end this episode?
on
What if we win mill dunked on someone?
together
Because I think that's where we're going
A moment of unity a moment of unity. Well, well Ferrari works on the
I bet it's gonna be dog shit to drive
Like I bet like I bet the luce is gonna be dog shit. They let the pope drive it
And you know who you know who's oh my god, chicago pope driving the Ferrari is so fucking funny because he's like still has to do
Pope things which are all italian, but it's like this is a 60 year old devoutly catholic man from chicago
He doesn't have any opinions on this. He's a car guy. Give him
He he had a manual for whatever or he's a cubs guy, isn't he? I think he's a socks guy
Okay, give him give him white socks season tickets or something. Let him go have some fun. You heard about his manual for fusion
No, actually really that's the wokest thing about him. It's his six-speed manual
Yeah, we're not doing woke pope apology on the show. Uh, they are still trying to kill all
Basically every trans person who needs medical care. So don't fall for that shit. It's still the catholic church
They could be right about it's cool. I still think they can be right about some things and unfortunately, they're still catholic
Insert link to well, there's your problem episode about catholicism here
Yeah, I do think the funniest outcome for uh, this is the american schism in which uh, jd vance becomes anti pope or whatever
Uh, but like because like a nothing makes sense anymore, uh, but I I don't think that the pope is actually woke
Um speaking of not woke. There's our transition into our next topic
He all heard about this little car company called stilantis
I swear to god, we're our main goal of this show is to have a dodge
Dodge contract. I was about to say you were talking about Ferrari killing people stilantis. There's someone in stilantis's
offices who have our podcast logo in our throw week just darts at it constantly
Well, so have you heard of this small company called ram?
Is that what is that where dodge spun off all of their trucks for dl gay guys?
Sorry, is that not woke to say that i've never been a dl guy who didn't drive a ram?
That's a texas special. I don't know if that's national, but
All the dl guys loved rams
Um, yeah, well because they're drag for men
I mean like it's masculine a drag ram makes the the trucks that you drive if you're trying to convince yourself and everyone around you
That you are masculine as you commute from your office job back to your like dallas suburb
Um, and you you know are a little too scared to come out of the closet, which you know what you should just do it
Fuck it. Uh, it's it's better that way. Uh, um, but in any case
uh ram announced that they're going to cram a hellcat
into
Uh the ram 1500 short bed long cat. I think so they
So they announced the it's called the rumble bee which like
Jesus it's a little cute. It's a little cute, but so they shortened the bed
Because they're trying to like ram has had the trx, which is the twister
Stupid raptor thing, uh
The blue lives matter thing
Power and like enormous bill sheens and yeah, but like 36 is on it or whatever 37
But like
They want to make a street performance truck again, which I don't think anyone's really tried to do in a while
Like when was the last f 150 lightning or whatever?
this reminds me of this spiritually reminds me of the um
Was it like the little red wagon or whatever? Uh performance special that dodge came out with um based off of the short bed
short
short cab ram in like the late 70s and the only reason that truck existed was because the uh
EPA did not care yet about light truck emissions
And so you could get away with putting an uncatalyzed, you know enormous fuck off v8 inside of a pickup truck
And that was essentially a muscle car replacement
Um
And this is just spiritually that it's but except instead of like the epa saying like no you can't build the charger anymore
They just stopped making it because and I think here's my here's my conspiracy theory actually about this truck
Which is a the the top version of it the rumble bee because it's a whole family
It's got three different v8s because uh inline sixes are one line hurricane v even though the hurricane i6 is a
extremely good motor
It pulls like a freight train. It's ridiculously smooth. It's good on gas for like a full-size truck. They're they
ram
Ram synthesized this beautiful motor and then refuses to use it at anything because of culture war bullshit
Here's the solution for what they should do with all those hurricane in line sixes
Mate them at the crank
Quad turbo v12 time. I yeah, I'll I'll make your hell cat look gay, buddy. It's called. I've got a v12
in this
uh, you know, they announced a bunch of other cars which uh
Ooh, we'll we'll get to
That's a future episode probably at this point. We gotta just kind of do a second
It's the life of a special 18 episodes into our show
But in any case the the rumble bee family gets three v8s of 400 horsepower 5.7 liter
470 horsepower 6.4 liter and of course the
777 horsepower supercharged 6.2 liter hell cat v8
um
and the top trim gets like the big fat chunky body panels off the uh
Off the trx. It's just a street truck version of the trx. Uh, tim caniscus is like
Climax
He has a a
At least of the article I saw
He it's not a full quote. It is like a it is like one of those, you know
Sometimes you get a paraphrase of what it therefore throw the quotes off as for the best
He was like, yeah, there's uh
There's no market research to say if this is a good idea or not and i'm like tim
I don't know if you should have said that out loud, buddy. I don't think that's what the markets. What right now is
untested
Here's my kinspiracy theory, right?
Mm-hmm
Obviously like tesla is the number one chud automaker because which is crazy. I don't think it is crazy, right?
But the number two, you know, so basically I think that um, and this is i'm going to get a little bit real for a second
I think that we are witnessing
Um, the consolidation of like capital f fascism in the original form of the ideology
sort of
Regulating in the modern era and a big component of capital f fascism is that corporations marry themselves to the state
Um, like you saw this in italy during like the capital f fascist, uh, musilini era with alfa romeo
Alfa romeo was musilini's favorite the state eventually ended up taking it over and like a lot of why alfa romeo's
experience in motor sports is so like, um
It says they have such a shining record for the 30s is because they had the entire power of the italian state behind them
Um and a totalitarian rule which like benefited them greatly
And so I think that like there are automakers increasingly moving towards that end and I think that the the uh heads of the department of
Well, now it's the department of war. I think pete hegseth walked into tim kuniscus's office and said hey
you don't have
A large expensive v8 vehicle with a 38 interest rate to sell to marines who just got out of boot camp
And this is a national security crisis
We need you to build the the money pit
To shackle our troops to so that they stay enlisted for longer because we still have to invade kuba
And it's not even 20 27 yet. It's uh, I really yeah
pete hegseth drunk
11 a.m
Going to calling up the heather bram uh going
Hey, there are a bunch of guys getting shot out of boats in the strait of horror moose. Can you make a truck for me to
For me to promise them
Do you think my mom's mad and then it's just like tim kuniscus is like right on it, sir. Uh-huh
I
It's
We're not gonna go into the whole stilantis thing
But it does feel like this is the last gasps of a bunch of these
It feels like they're doing the
The charity bake sale to try to keep the the lights on at ram and everything where it's like a lot of like
What spare parts can we get together? Uh like
um
Also, stilantis is calling this entire project of new vehicles to have completely refreshed showrooms by 2030
fast lane
2030
Spelled capital f lowercase a
capital s capital t capital l capital a
lowercase n
lowercase e
2030 which i just
No spaces i just wanted to say that out loud because i was looking at it and i'm like i
I was looking at it in a thick eroded track article and i was just like
What why did you call it that like i was trying to like like figure it out i'm like
Why is
The a and n in e like that that's nothing
It's nothing
It's all nothing
It sounded fury signifying nothing
The ram i i really
I'm really excited to see the first one of these widebody and all fully wrapped in the new ice livery
Which i think is kind of like the natural brand synergy for a ram product at this point and those grand wagon ears are a little too subtle
It's gay. So we kind we had to get something louder
Yeah, did you you know basically ram builds vehicles with the design brief of
uh getting hard thinking about running over protesters
um
And so like this really does kind of fit
Everything i understand about the company at this point like
It it used to be kind of fun to rag on them at this point. It is starting to get worryingly into oh god
This is a very visual signifier of the encroaching fascist about all aspects of american life
And i'm kind of like ha ha that's really funny while also keeping in mind that there's a decent chance
I'm a bloodstain on the front of one of these in about two years
I just
They're just it's just deeply embarrassing
Oh, yeah, it's it's just
And i don't know if i've lived through a time in my life where
Dodge hasn't been some form of embarrassing
The mid-2010s there was a little bit where they seemed not embarrassing there
But then they started putting the hellcat in everything and it wasn't just like this crazy runoff thing
And then it got embarrassing
Because like the last viper was really good. Well, and they're also like
Yeah, they're also like notably with this whole like wave of announcements. They are
They're like
It was okay. Also just a quick, uh, change to a note. I said earlier
It wasn't a little red wagon
It was a little red express because actually car and driver specifically calls it out in this story
One of the things they announced too is like the Durango is going to live for another 10 years
And it's like it's a fucking 15 or 16 year old platform at this point already 52
Durango is legally able to drive itself. It's so old
And it's like could you seriously not come up with anything and of course the answer to that is no
Because again, I really think that like
There are there are different corporate strategies going on right now from each of the big three
Ford is still
Who knows that's a whole episode. We haven't done a ford episode and we probably should
General motors is like if we just fuck up enough times while really trying we'll get another bailout
But it'll be the same rules as it's a merit-based
I seriously think that you know the stilantis empire or at least the ram half of it is like
Well, we will simply get federal order contracts from ice to build these to hit protesters with and that is how we're going to survive
because the us is going to
You know in the same way that like union pacific and norfolk southern sent a gift basket to the white house and managed to
You know fully over like overhaul the railroad
safety board or whatever
Fucking organization it was that they bought out so they could merge and create a
Enormous clusterfuck of a railroad that will destroy all commerce in america so they could make 10 more dollars
You know, I think that's the new corporate strategy
It's just like if we if we send a gift basket to the right place and say the right things we can survive anything
Not to be like, oh, I'm so prescient or whatever, but there was a story I did right before I left motor one
Called the cyber truck is america
Yeah, and I made the case that it was not necessarily because it was a good vehicle or that people wanted it
Or that it was commercially successful or well designed because it is none of those things
No one wants them. They're stupid. They're hideous. They're not well designed. They're but
Increasingly it was obvious the cyber truck. Hey, just just I would take in a temperature on you real quick
Gun to your head. You must daily drive one for a year cyber truck luce
Oh
There we go. Okay. I just had to establish baseline reality real quick
I would rather
Have to walk over hot coals to every destination
I go to then to be seen inside a cyber truck
I'd suck start a shotgun instead of owning a cyber truck. Yeah, absolutely
I'd give myself the Kurt Cobain. Yeah, absolutely
um
No, I just I I the cyber truck is not
desirable, but it is
Elon Musk sees an opening to become to marry his corporation to the state in the same way that like when
When green energy was like a thing that was progressive
He was nominally progressive like tests like at its start in large part because the doe gave them a massive amount of
Money in a grant which we should have given them like that is
I mean granted I think in in you know, because I am a communist and take a very expansive view of government power
I think that the the u.s. Government simply should have invested in building its own green energy cars from a very early stage
I don't think we should have outsourced it to private corporations for the exact reasons that are all now incredibly apparent
Like if anybody's ever like, why are you a communist gestures broadly?
uh, but like
I think it within the within the confines of like
Liberal democracy it is a good thing to fund people who are doing things that are
Forward-looking and good for the future
But he was very progressive to that end and I think that him trying to marry himself to the state
As it becomes increasingly right-wing and fascist is a natural heel turn for him. You know
Like he has never stood for anything. He has stood for making money. Uh-huh and I like I
I
I spent a lot of this the early part of this episode talking about how the Ioniq makes sense and I used I
Because the United States government gave him all of that money
To for them to build out the supercharger network. Guess who's benefiting from that? It's it's me
And I am going to be giving tesla not money for a car because I love myself more than that
but like
I'm good at like I have to use superchargers and like their standard is the new standard and that's okay
But like yeah, I
There's no
No one is doing anything in the automotive industry, especially in the american automotive industry
For a sense of common purpose
And it is well, it's just I see trucks like this
and
Like do I want to be a scold and say that like muscle trucks can exist?
No
But I want trucks to be the size that the fact that this is a smaller truck than any other 1500 you can buy
What did I write?
I write so like yay shrinkage. I guess
which like I
The
way that ram and dodge and a lot of stilantis is trying to poison itself
as america's ugly
id
Of individuality right now is really
Something because yeah, even if they are a truck that you go and do things in
They are
a uniquely
They're a uniquely selfish product
And the fact that they're all v8s when we they don't need to be is just
Yeah, it's it's it's masculinity as a costume it is and I'm not set like
I'm not saying they're not gonna let women buy these but like
No, I I I have I will not meet a woman who will happily buy one of these and if you're a woman who's what's one
I'll email us if you meet a woman driving
I guarantee you she has worse politics personally than like christy gnome
I it is christy genuinely just like the most heinous person you've ever met
I mean I think part of it also is that like there I'm sure there are some people who have the ability to still see things
That exist in the world is completely devoid from american politics at the current moment
And we just don't see the world the same way and if you have any knowledge of politics
This just is more it's it's more anti-woke bullshit
Like they started going with the v8 badge to proclaim the return of the hemi
because like the true american patriots took over from the the you know
a light-footed
wimpy a feet
European overlords and brought back the v8 everyone was clamoring for just in time for the you know for moose crisis
But it's just it's so transparent and it's so fucking stupid
Also was no one at dodge ram
Willing to be like hey should we hold this announcement for a little while like do we have to do this right now?
Like now crude is going to be by the time this episode releases crude is going to be $110 a barrel
Two weeks after this episode is out. It's going to be $150 a barrel
Gas is going i'm i'm calling it you are going to see gas in major metro areas of $9 per gallon
By the end of this summer like it's obviously because nobody there are no adults in charge
No one can stop like stop doing pranksmanship and we we've lost the war and nobody will accept that
um it's it is going to because it's a
We've lost the war in a way that is going to be completely alien
To americans because it's not like vietnam
It's not like any of these other wars that we just soundly lost
It's just their hands walk away
And nobody in the mainland ever feels like nobody in the american center empire ever feels anything aside from like
Oh, we're sad about our troops that died
I really like vietnam was the last time that was like a draft like we yeah like i
Vietnam was the last time we forced men to go off and fight and die and since then it has been
Completely vocational
It's a thing like the way that america conceives of its empire
Is it's a thing that happens elsewhere to other people so that we can drive trucks like this
And I think that yeah this fuel crisis is going to be the first thing
I think the second thing is going to be as soon as this administration attempts to invade cuba
And they find out that you they can start
Chucking shaheads at like miami condo buildings. That'll be the second way which also like again, we are
Literally engaged in a legal genocide against cuba at this point with the severity of this and length of this
Embargo of basic supplies needed to survive
They are running hospitals off diesel generators that nobody else in the country has any electricity for anything
And we're doing that because we feel like it because marco rubio has a ridiculous hard on for getting back
I don't know
some sense of like american dominance over like the the caribbean sphere
And so it's just like we're just going to commit humanitarian disaster and kill a bunch of people because we feel like it
And at a certain point it is going that is the imperial boomerang is going to return to us. We are you know like
If you're somebody who is not like a cishet white person listening to this show
Or even if you're like a cishet white woman, you've probably seen it already
But like if you're like a cishet white guy listening to this show, you're like, yeah, you know, it's it's
Things are bad, but like surely they'll be fine. You are about to find out you are wrong. It's just it's going to come back
You can't do this for the entire nation's history and not expected to bite you in the ass
And I really I in the same way that like a certain kind of performative right wing asshole
loves making a big deal about liberal tears
I am going to uh walk around with a big mug of coffee every fucking morning after gas hits $10 a gallon
That's just labeled proud king county metro rider sipping uh ram 1500 rumble bee tear owner tears
I hate
I like oh my god. I'm I'm all riled up. Sorry. No, it's correct because it's like I
There's
It really is
Fascinating how
Disconnected from reality ram seems right now
And like it's it's all of these automakers pivoting back to v8s and everything but it's so
For whatever reason ram doing it feels the most like hey
Do they do your phones?
Do you do you get like outside internet access at work like can you check the news?
Like it feels like they are horses with the blinders on and they're like
How much gas again?
Fuck like it really feels like no one told them
Like this that if I can relate a story that I think is like a little winding
But I think we'll get to a point that they will illustrate this
So before I was an auto rider before I was a podcaster before I was you know, like a working photographer
I worked for nasa. I was a software engineer at mission control. I did like ground op software. It was nothing that that like fancy
I worked in the building next door to the mission control building. So the one that's really cool
I worked next to it
Um in a windowless room that used to house servers and was blast hardened for a nuclear bomb
So I didn't get sell signal in there
Um, and I think you know, one of the things that was fascinating was like watching
You know, we didn't really we had no work from home
And so cope it meant that we had to work from home for the first time
And so like it was we didn't go home until it was like
Really time to work from home and it was obvious that you know
We were gonna live in a different world for a bit and like
This that meant that there was a day it was January 6th
2021 when I was sitting at home and working and on one screen
I had like zoom calls and my like whatever apps I was working on that day
And on the other screen was nine different views of the us capital as it was being stormed
And of course, I was losing my fucking mind because I was like holy shit. This is
This is a this is a sea change in how I relate to america
Like I think regardless of where everything shakes out if that was a beer whole pooch
Or if that was like the actual beginning of the cold civil war that we now live in or if that was
You know
Like just another event that happened in the endless string of like donald trump presidency events that really trace back to like bush's imperialism
That really go back to like however you conceive of it
I related to where I lived and the society I was raised in differently after that day
And I worked for a government institution and I remember january 7th 2021 when we did our morning stand-up call and everybody was like
Just completely normal like we work for a government agency
We did not know who the president was going to be or what the line of succession was going to be
Uh, it was still very unclear at this point and we all acted like you know
Uh, how are you doing on that app development? And I was kind of just like sitting there like I I guess fine
I mean, I didn't really get a lot done yesterday. Uh
You know, I just wasn't feeling very productive and I kind of played into it because I didn't have the courage to like be like
Hey, did you see that dog? They stormed right there. They were gonna kill my pets dog
Um, like you know, and I feel like corporate
because
America as insists that its empire and the its politics exist in a separate sphere
From the rest of all of society
You get this really weird siloing that when taken to its natural end point is
Nobody at ram felt comfortable enough to be like, hey
Should we delay the launch of these 700 horsepower v8 trucks while gasses seven dollars a gallon?
Because this that is politics
Because like that's that's the omni crisis right is like it has come for us all and it has affected every aspect of life
But it's still in these people's minds in the straight white guys who run these companies minds
It is still politics and must be kept separate from work
And they are two different things and that is how you end up with shit like this
It's how you end up with like so many things in the modern era
but like this is just this is the absurdity that
America just is going to keep producing probably for another couple of years until either we get a realignment of things or things that the
contradictions just become so fucking intense that like literally nobody can function
um
and that's
I I think the
That's beautiful. That's a beautiful way to put it in like I
The disconnect is I think becoming more and more apparent to your average
person especially as like, you know
The last time gas got crazy expensive. It was like, you know
COVID and there was like, you know
COVID uh, I I don't have fondness for lockdown
But I do have fondness for my 2020
feeling of hmm
I think we're in the cool zone and I think it might go our way as opposed to right now
I'm like, we're in the cool zone and oh boy. It's not going our way right now. Yeah, we're losing the cold civil war
Yeah, we're losing the cold civil war and also I don't even
We are
The reelection of Donald Trump is going to be
One of those things that maybe I think
We'll signal an end of something and I don't know what that something is whether it's capital a america or if it's just
The last gasps of a neocon
Moment in our lives. Hopefully. Hopefully, right? That's the nicest. That's the nicest possible world, right? Yeah, but I just
It was when I was talking to like other game store owners
And they were complaining about tariffs and then one of them revealed that's like, well, I voted for him and I was just like
You're the reason why this is all expensive and they're like, well, I didn't choose that
I'm like you elected the guy
You did like you did this like I you can't like you don't get to go like I didn't know it's why
It's why every new york times like I they're like these undecided voters. I'm like, no, they're embarrassed republicans
No one's an undecided no one in the year of our lord 2026 is a centrist. Guess what you're a republican
Are you a are you a dnc democrat? Guess what buddy? We have a name for what you are
It's called you're a 2012 republican and that's okay. We just need to be honest about what we're doing
And I will take a boulder stance. That is not okay
Sure. I just I you know, I mean, okay, and no, I don't you know mittens romney was at least not this guy, right?
Like mittens wouldn't have done this mittens has a business degree. He would have known better
But I don't know when uh when every single
When the median republican is holding blood feast
Yeah
We are going to make trucks for holding blood feast and that is uh, that is the suit rumblebee
I think the only way that this product could feel could have been better
Is if they rolled it out onto the octagon in front of the white house for the july 4th
UFC match taking place on the front. You saw the day in a white video, right?
No, what yeah, did Dana white do a video in one of these already? Didn't they? I think they literally hold on
Dana white Jesus christ. I can't even parody how stoop. I'm so deep in the shape's place
Dana white is the face of the teaser campaign by ram trucks for the upcoming
2027 ram 1500 rumblebee
I
I can't believe it. Everything is so stupid. We were born loud Dana white gets it. Nothing stops ram
So there's gonna be there are pr people at the the uh stilantis corporation who uh in uh 2022 or something
Oh, wow, Jordan
Yeah, I'm I don't know about your shape's place, but I'm getting like fucking uh, the dodecahedrons and shit in here
I'm far gone
um
There are people at the dodge motor corporation who took issue with what I called uh the dodge challenger the official vehicle of the charlottesville attack
Um, and I would just like to state for the record that I was the most I am the most vindicated woman alive that
the
Dodge and ram are basically vehicles for right wing terrorists, but they are now no longer right wing terrorists. They just run shit
Um, yeah, I guess all I can say if like if you're buying a rumblebee is like we will make no excuses for the terror when our turn comes
Yeah, I'm gonna put you in a 30 horsepower pod
It's gonna make it you're gonna get walked by like an azetta
And you're gonna fucking like it
I I genuinely I cannot
Something during our cultural revolution, we will be burning these things in the street
In woke three, I will make it illegal to own a pickup truck. I just don't I don't care anymore
No one gets one. You need a special. It is special license
Just like to use farm gas
You gotta have all of the paperwork and you gotta be putting product out if I don't see you at the farmer's market
We're shooting you in front of your kids. Like I don't I I maybe not
We have to draw lights
I don't the the I think that we should abolish the death penalty unless it's the epa
The epa should be able to come to your house and kill you. We need liam's dad
We need climate Stalin now
Somebody emailed the pod to be like, have you seen this shit with whistlin diesel?
Uh, because he's a
Influential youtuber who keeps like circumventing epa laws that makes himself out to be a big like victim
Because he broke the law and they got mad at him for it. Um, it is it like
He's so lucky because if I ran shit, uh
He wouldn't be making videos anymore
I'll let him all living under the prison for the rest of his life. I'll let him make youtube videos from the yard
I'll let him make videos from the yard. I
Oh, hey
Anti-carceral except for the epa
Yeah, I just uh
I'm so mad about everything. I'm so furious. No, this is good because like I feel like a good current events podcast for us
Needs to have our blood so
So so hot because there's just I don't know
I mean like I don't like for me. This is actually cathartic because it's like I I am so mad all the time like there are
The day that we're recording this like is like, I don't know day three into the protests outside the Delaney detention center in New Jersey
and they're like
Beating the shit out of people and throw them from the semi trucks and like there's so much to be mad about that like
Being mad in an automotive context feels kind of like a reprieve where it's like I I really enjoy the like therapeutic benefits of being like
This sucks and is really stupid and really ultimately as you know, like with our discussion of the luce
It doesn't matter. I know doesn't matter. You probably like it
You probably figured I would hate it and that's what makes the show fun
But this just this feels like a nice way to kind of get out all of my
furious
Feelings and rage about the current era
Um on like the perfect avatar for it
So I look forward to never being invited to anything
I I look forward to not being able to step foot in the state of michigan ever again because there's like a hit man
With just a picture of my face
Inside his ram rumble bee that just says shoot onsite
Stalantis, but we're so nice about alfa romeos though. That's what you gotta do. They've got a hand at to us
We're not their total enemy. Well, and also like I mean, I like
I like for show. I like we like here
Yeah, I like they're european cars for the most part ish
um, I just think that you know
you
Stop building trucks for ice god damn it. Uh-huh. I
Stop building trucks for ice
Victoria good news
What the white house isn't promising to release trumps medical report from this visit to walter reed today
Oh, cool. Probably good and normal
Maybe it'll happen. It's one of the funniest things that I have talked about with a lot of people recently
And people who I would say are like obviously I am pretty far left
I don't think there are many americans who would describe themselves as communists because it's 2026 and like most people
You know, that's just we we've lived on the wake of like
A century of trying to suppress communism in america
Um, so like it's not exactly a position that gets a lot of airplay
But even people I talked to who I would describe is pretty reasonable sort of like dem sock types, uh, or like
kind of like
Well-informed even moderately informed liberals who you know, I think want things to be better
Maybe would probably disagree with me about the ways in which to come about it, but see the things are wrong
Every single fucking person has a goddamn bottle of champagne in their fridge labeled for when it happens
It is there are two americas
You either have a champagne bottle or you are like the person who just broke the lever in texas voting for ken paxton
Because you were like 110 hitler sounds good to me
And again, we are going you are going to you're never having a hamburger again
I'm making you sit in the ev pod and you will fucking like it and the thing is you will because you'll you'll be like
Oh, damn. It's so cool living in a society. I'm not scared of everything all the time after we like abolish fox news
Uh, I have as a former texan. I have zero opinions other than ken paxton is one of the worst people to ever live and also
Uh, unfortunately, uh, james
Talerico, yeah, I keep thinking you are failed video game man. Tommy talerico and that's not doing you any favors
I keep thinking you were the roblox oof guy and h bomber guy has told me that you need to be killed
It's just it's such a weird time to be
Alive I I this podcast is maybe one of the only times that I feel very
Clear eyed in my convictions. Um, you were talking about I think about uh
I
Loved mutual of mine
Cardi user cardiograms on blue sky her amazing post
We are really going to have to let people invent communism from first principles and call it something else
Because it'll work. We just need to like the branding on communism is just done. We could just call
Socialism don't worry about that. That's also cooked outside of europe. It's just like
We gotta burger ism. I don't give a shit
Do a burger and sickle flag. I don't give a fuck. Just please
Community burger and everyone it's a planned economy and it's how we make sure everyone gets their burgers on time
Isn't that nice? We can just call it cyber. Oh, what was it cyber met cyber net cyber metrics
Cyber metrics cybernetics. I can't remember what it was called. It was there like
I
No, it's cybernetrics, uh, that was like the I always get it confused
Uh, but that was like the the centrally planned phase
cybernetics
It was the the like basically the the early like research into how would you do essentially planned economy with computers?
um
It is in the wikipedia part of the series on cyborgs
Under cyborgology, but you know, it's basically a way of like
Trying to model an environment and then you know
Building things that would interface well with it very simplified. It's cool. Uh, I don't care
We can call it whatever but like I'm not changing being a communist. So, you know, uh-huh
I really I just want things to get
Any amount of better and no amount worse
And I think I'm gonna get a lot worse and maybe now know better and that's
Uh, god, I
I'm kind of running on empty at least uh much like all of these v8s and these fucking trucks will be running
Yeah, I I've been borrowing my friends um s70t5 and I had to put 25 dollars worth of gas in it
I've gotten like I don't know 60 miles out of that. I've just like
What the fuck dog?
Like the this country is basically predicated on like we will endlessly
oppress every single minority here
Uh and perpetually emissary the rest of the world, but the car juice is cheap
Not for long
Unless it's delicious delicious kilowatts after peak hours on h charger
I do think it's awesome that like you managed to time this perfectly
You got the last you got the you're basically on the last chopper out
You got the Ioniq at the cheapest it's ever going to be ever again
While you can still actually get one. There's money on the hood
I was expecting our lease to be bad because the tax credits gone. Nope. Hyundai just made up for the tax credits on their own
It's fine. They know what they're doing or they don't know what they're doing actually
Oh
Well, it's okay. The other car I want for a purely podcast fun dumb shit is uh, that does still take gas unfortunately
And let me tell you it's not as it's not a c8
It's not gonna be a c8 of this economy. No
They're not gonna let me service them because of what we said about their other brands
I'm putting on a service bullet and it's just pictures of us
Don't let them walk in your dealership. There was a previous time in my life where I was trying to find like a normal job
and I I did interview at like the uh
Alpharo sole alpharo mayo dealership that holds down what used to be a historic car dealership area in the middle of the gayborhood
And I do sometimes imagine like what they would think of this
Like anyway interview that lady. It's crazy. I just keep thinking about how many
Transsexuals you would have sold
Alpharo mayo julius and tonales and everything had they give you would have been their best
Saleswoman it also would have been completely inscrutable who you were selling compared to their usual statistics
Oh
Well in any case that's a fucking podcast
That's a podcast. Uh, I was just gonna say um, you know, thank you for everybody who ordered shirts and stuff
They'll be on their way soon. I hope you enjoyed this. I'm sorry about not having a regular episode last week
But uh doing five episodes a month is a lot of work
So I think four episodes a month is more sustainable and we could spend more time like watching movies and stuff this way
Which I really wanted to do um
Our bonus episode last week was ford versus ferrari
And we both did a you know kind of movie review again. We took very different conclusions from it
I think it was really entertaining. I think it was good
Jordan's jordan and I just have like
Fundamentally like the same worldview, but we have very different interpretations of things
Despite that and that's I think what makes the show fun
Uh, because like if we were if you were like no, I love the ram. I don't know if the show would work. I won't lie
Yeah, but also I don't think we'd be friends then
No, I we're very different women will also being very similar women. Uh, huh
We'll see how that works when I end this file
Uh-oh, what's up?
Uh after we reached about two hours of three minutes
Reaper has made a hard break in the file and I can no longer see my waveform for the first hour of the show
Okay, it's probably so yeah, it's probably fine. I'll probably have to dig into it
But uh, yeah, look at go over it seeing half of my waveform completely black when it's been recording the entire time
Maybe it's not a ram or something stress. Just buy more. You can just buy more ram. Uh, and not the suit rumblebee
I was going to uh read off our names
As you should we have a $15 tier on this patreon
Where I read off people's names and thank them for supporting us and also an extra
Thank you to everybody who helped buy me slide film for my book project
I really appreciate it and I've been shooting it non-stop. I've been doing shoots literally every day this week
Um, it's making me go slightly insane, but it's really fun. But in any case, I will now read off the $15 names
Thank you very much to alex k jason hudson
jd santos
Jeremy tanner
faith k falkner, uh, jd
Buddy, you don't have to pay for the show, but thank you
That's my uh, that was maiden of otters
That's that's that's a lisa's husband. That's so sweet
There are people in this who also pay for it that I'm like you don't have to but they do and I do appreciate it
Uh, who among us really? Uh, ember crucibles champion the people's pillow princess
That's a good one
Uh, Mimi bean
brie henry sable james gilbreath charlie charlie stangle. Where are you mary barra?
I just want to talk. I think it's about the I think it's the same person who still wants to uh
Say the I just want to talk about replacement sparky v batteries, but uh, they cut off the name in the in the audience
Think no, I need the whole name
boo
boo
Where are you mary barra? I just want to talk about sparky v replacement batteries
I figured you still had the same username, but I did also think that there was a small chance
There was a second person who wanted to talk to mary barra about something
The federal government
Theodora Constantine
john v
bewick
adam shepherd
steven duckworth
phalan
mildly perturbed
asherin
chris hefner
jerry at homogameragenda.com
dexas
terra hailstorm
will stef schrader. Oh my god. Thank you stef
stef is stef we should just have on at this point. We just need to have stef on. Yes, absolutely
Um
Princess Reese dog-eared receptionist. That's a cute one. I like that one. No longer a puppy girl now a dog woman
Yes
Emma alex a combination of spite and medically concerning number of 20 ounce red bulls
Jet fuel can't melt these dreams
Nathaniel Hubble
Saturday's claire
Wingsmith will continue to use molly paste as eye shadow until victoria looks up what it is
Fair enough honestly, uh, penile sparing vaginoplasty miss cigarettes. Good one
Sylvia fin springs
Shlabolius
I'm sorry. Uh, Shlabolius the bisexual funkinator
With a class of ascii emoticon. That's a good one
Julie e aguilar
Gavin g whiz team radar love
Uh, who has has given me a buic wagon enough times. He never needs to give me $15 but we'll do so because a wonderful person
Uh, RC duke crystal storm john russell josh j
And select trick
Thank you all so much. There are a lot of you now. I'm
That's really god. That's that's that number keeps going way up. I really appreciate it
I hope that you enjoy the bonus episode
Please let us know if you are a subscriber what you would like to hear for next month's bonus episode
If you'd like more movie reviews
I saw somebody say that we should put out a poll to vote on what movie will we watch and I'm kind of into that
Actually, I'm into that too. I would I'd be down to get a list together and let people vote from the list
Yeah, also, uh, if you want to if you miss
commentaries, let us know
Uh, we wanted to do something different because we realized other than the fast and furious movies
A bunch of car movies are not really great commentary watches
Yeah, it's it would be kind of hard to be doing bits as we watch like airton said a burn half or not airton said a
Nikki loud a burn half to death and rush which is when we were kind of like, yeah
This may not be comedy gold here
Or it would be and we would never be allowed in the nation state of austria ever again
But yeah, um
We said the housekeeping thing of we're doing just four episodes flat a month to avoid burnout, right? Yes. Yes
Okay, good good good four episodes a month
Uh, so it will be three mainline episodes that are free that are about current events and one episode that is bonus only
That is about something else
Ideally something that stays relevant for a longer time
So when people sign up they can go listen to the back episodes because that's always kind of fun
When you set up for new podcast and who knows, uh, we're definitely not ever ruling out going back to five plus a month, but also, uh
I still have a day job and victoria has been very busy with the book. So it's just really not
Super feasible right now. Yeah, unfortunately your girl has a little mental health
Uh, which does does mean that she signs up for a lot of things because she wants to help and do lots of stuff
And then realizes oh god. Oh god. Oh fuck
Uh, which is totally a me thing, but you know, that is the nature of me
Um, but a case thank you so much for listening. Um, and we'll see you next week
Bye
About this episode
The hosts start with NASCAR’s Kyle Busch—“passed away, uh from pneumonia”—and frame his legacy through persona and win totals, including “234 career wins across the three top series of nascar.” The conversation then pivots into EV ownership and driving feel: one-pedal regen, steering feedback, charging “crapshoot,” and Hyundai’s “800 volt architecture.” Ferrari’s electric “Luce” becomes the centerpiece of brand-identity debate, followed by a satirical Stellantis/Ram “Rumble Bee” discussion and broader fuel-price politics.
Hello! On this OVER TWO HOUR episode of Tran Girlismo, we catch up on some weeks where decades happened. First, we give an earnest rest in peace to Kyle Busch, one of the greatest drivers of all time, who died suddenly at the age of 41 a few weeks back. (Victoria references a eulogy you should really read, and it's here on Road & Track, from Alanis King. It's genuinely beautiful.)
After that, we have good news finally: Jordan gets a new car!!! And it's electric!!! Hormuz who??? Then we discuss the most bitter contentious topic we've tackled yet: The Ferrari Luce. Is it a horrendous abomination against man and God, or is it fine actually? Finally, we discussed the Ram Rumble Bee, the 777 HP pickup truck launched when The Banks Are Out Of Oil, thickening our shoot-on-sight file at Stellantis HQ.
Thank you for listening! Shirts and stickers should be arriving in peoples' hands throughout the week, and we will be opening another round of orders in the very near future if you missed out!
