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The automobile is one of the most important inventions that revolutionize the modern world.
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In America, the rich history of car culture runs deep.
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As technology continues to shape the future of the industry,
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Jason Stein is here to share the stories of people passionate about cars,
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from industry leaders and innovators to car-obsessed celebrities.
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Buckle up as Jason takes you inside the boardroom, onto the track,
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and around the bend, on Cars and Culture, on SiriusXM Business Radio.
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Welcome to episode 216 of Cars and Culture with Jason Stein and SiriusXM Business Channel 132.
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Great to have you along with us for the ride.
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Today's guest didn't just build a business.
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He built a brand, a lifestyle, and a loyal following,
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with a wrench in one hand and a vision in the other.
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Rich McClelland, the founder of Elite Customs,
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is proof that with grit, hustle, and raw creativity,
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you can build something unforgettable,
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whether you're working out of your garage or outfitting a Raptor R for jelly roll.
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From humble beginnings in electronics and alarm installs,
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Rich has become one of the most respected voices in automotive customization.
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His builds blend West Coast flair with Southern Soul,
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wrapped in matte gold, tuned with care, and delivered with true customer service,
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a vanishing art in today's world.
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Today on the show, Rich opens up about building cars and building character.
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How an arrest at 18 helped redirect his life,
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how a customer complaint became a moment of growth,
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and why your success is only as good as your ability to evolve.
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We'll talk about forging wheels, filming pilots, and forging connections
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with clients, teams, and the next generation of builders.
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And he's built over 30 cars for a single client.
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It's not just a shop, it's a culture.
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And it's not just work, it is his calling.
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Rich McClelland on Cars and Culture.
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Hi, I'm Richard McClelland, and this is Cars and Culture with Jason Stein.
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Today's guest didn't just build a business.
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He's built a movement with a grinder in one hand and a vision in the other.
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Rich has turned his childhood passion into one of the most
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respective custom shops around.
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And it's my great pleasure to have him on the program.
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Thank you for having me.
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I mean, that was a great introduction.
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I don't even really know how to follow that up.
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You could you could follow it up by tell us what you're up to these days.
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What are some exciting projects that you're working on?
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What is in the mind of Richard today?
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Well, I'll be honest, my mind is kind of all over the place.
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I get inspiration from my guys, my wife, home decor,
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I mean, I get inspiration from just about anywhere and everywhere
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that I can imagine.
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I get different color schemes from looking at other things.
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And I'll be honest, the fashion industry, I get most of my color ideas from.
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And and then those usually translate into home decor
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and then translate into cars.
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That seems to be the common trend.
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You know, right now we're trying to do, you know, trying to do that,
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trying to follow a lot of the metals and the brasses and the gold.
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Seems like gold is kind of coming back,
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but it's not your traditional like bright gold.
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It's like a gold, you know, kind of modern.
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But it's it's really good.
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You know, we always have a really eclectic mix of cars, old school, new school.
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Stuff in the middle.
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And if you walk into the shop, it's just it's all over the place.
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There's not like one set thing.
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Yeah. If we walked into the shop, how many vehicles
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would you be working on at any one time?
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Right now I just walked back from the shop
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and there's there's probably 12 going on right now at this moment.
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But there's probably another 12 or 15 out in the parking lot,
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you know, in line or in different stages.
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You know, because our projects range from the simple, say, audio job
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or a radar install to a full blown custom, you know, year and a half project.
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You know, and they're just kind of all over the place.
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And and that's that's what we focus on.
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But like right now, go ahead.
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Sorry. No, no, go ahead, please.
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So right now we just got in a month, I say, sorry, Thursday,
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got dropped off Jelly Roll.
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He just bought a brand new Raptor R.
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And then you get the call and you're like,
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hey, I want this wrapped Matt Black and the wheels done
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and some lighting and course window tent.
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And so you pull it in and drop it off.
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And it's in the middle of getting wrapped right now.
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So Rich, you can't just drop that into the conversation.
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It's just Jelly Roll brought his Raptor R in.
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I don't know what I'm more intrigued by Jelly Roll or the Raptor R.
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That's fun. How did you meet him?
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So I rock. It's a weird, weird story.
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So I've known of Jelly Roll for 15, 20 years.
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I've listened to his music forever growing up in Nashville.
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He's he's a Nashville native as well.
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I've listened to all of his rap music.
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He was, you know, he was a big time rapper before that's right.
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So I've been a huge fan of his forever.
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And one day we were sitting in our break room,
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me and the guys eating lunch and I get a message.
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You know, I missed a phone call and I get a voicemail
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and listen to the voicemail and I have this weird look on my face.
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One of my guys is like, what, what, who is it?
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And I was like, that was Jelly Roll.
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He just called my phone and left me a message.
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Well, he was like, he was like, hey, man,
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well, he calls everybody Bubba.
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Hey, Bubba, I got your phone number from one of our other clients, Kyle.
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He was like, I got your phone number from Kyle
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and I need some work done in one of my trucks.
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And he was like, he said, you're the guy to go to.
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So I was wondering if you were free today.
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And so I get off the phone off of listening to my voicemail
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and my guy is like, who was that?
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And I said, oh, it was Jelly Roll.
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And he called a couple of guys.
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They were like, who the hell is that?
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You know, and one of my guys, he's about my age.
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And he was like, are you serious?
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Like, like the rapper Jelly Roll.
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I was like, yeah, he's I call him back.
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So I called him back and he was in the area still.
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And he swung by, you know?
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And this is before he's like super popular.
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Yeah. What year was that?
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It was about five years ago.
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OK, so he's just he's not broken through yet.
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But you know of him because of the rap music, obviously.
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Matter of fact, he hadn't even he hadn't maybe
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as close to six years ago.
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He had he hadn't released his country out.
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Matter of fact, he hadn't even made his country yet.
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So we we did his truck.
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A previous shop had done some work on it.
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He wasn't super happy with.
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So we went in and fixed it, fixed it,
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did some other upgrades to it and stuff like that.
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And that created the relationship.
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Then we did his wife's G wagon
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and I remember standing in the back of the parking lot.
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We were talking about another car he was wanting to do.
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And he said, I said, so what's what's going on?
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What are you working on?
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And he goes, I'm getting ready to release a country album.
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And I just no way I was like, what?
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Like is not like at this point,
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country really hadn't gone country pop per se.
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It was it was still country country.
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Yeah, no Morgan Wallen yet.
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Or yeah, exactly so I was alone.
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I was like, what? OK.
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Well, you know, good luck.
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And I had never heard of singing boys.
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I didn't know it existed.
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All I ever heard was the rap.
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And sure enough, probably six or seven months later,
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he released this first one and it just took off.
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Yeah, yeah, rest is kind of history.
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And he is we've been very fortunate to stay with,
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you know, build several cars for his wife.
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We built one for his daughter when she turned 16.
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We built several for him that went to the CMAs a couple of times.
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And it's it's been an incredible ride.
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And he's introduced us to several other people,
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not necessarily artists, but like music industry guys
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and friends of his that, you know, he sent our way.
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So it's been that's an amazing story, Rich.
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That's amazing story.
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And there you are on the ground floor of an artist.
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And there are, you know, millions of them
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trying to do what he ultimately did.
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And he's got this great loyalty to you because you knew him when.
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Right. You would hope so.
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And I know he is so busy and so popular now
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that I don't I don't get too much of a chance to talk.
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I think last time I talked to him,
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he stopped by right before Christmas.
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He stopped by the shop and I didn't know coming.
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But he's so busy and, you know,
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he has very little time for his family now.
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And so when I think when he gets that time,
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he spends it with his family, which rightfully so,
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I think anybody would.
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But yeah, he's a he's a great guy.
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I deal with his wife a lot.
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My wife deals with her a lot as well.
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And she kind of handles that stuff for him.
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But yeah, you'd hope so.
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But you can see the grind, you know,
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because I knew him years and years and years prior to that,
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I worked on other things like he's the base
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to travel in these little fans.
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And I used to go and put GPS systems
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and radios in these vans.
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And yeah, his name would be like on the side,
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wrapped on the side and with 20 other artists
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and they'd sell CDs out of the back of these vans.
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And so I mean, he put the work in, you know,
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he put the work in and and he's reaping the rewards of it.
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Well, he this is serendipitous.
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I mean, he he did and so of you.
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And let's get into a bit of your story.
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It you've been described West Coast Roots and Southern Hustle.
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And you've gone from a young car enthusiast
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to really customizing all of these luxury vehicles.
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But there are a few main things here, Rich,
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fueled by grit, vision
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and a relentless commitment to craftsmanship.
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That's that's pretty accurate description of you, isn't it?
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Yeah, that's my wife from the outside looking in, you know,
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I just love the cars, you know, I just love building the cars
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and and I was very fortunate enough to make a business out of it
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and continue to do what I love to do.
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Even the entrepreneurship part of it, you know,
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where it gets tough and hard with all the other stuff.
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At the end of the day, when I build the car
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and the customer comes and picks it up
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because their mind can't wrap around exactly what I see.
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And they most of them kind of somewhat cut me loose.
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You know, they give me some direction
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and then when they pick it up and they just love it,
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it just resets everything for, you know,
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any kind of aggravation or pain that I've gone through
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or dealing with, you know, employees or anything else
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kind of just goes away.
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Melts away, melts away.
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When did you first realize that cars were not just a hobby
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for you, but that they were actually your calling?
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When I was about 15 years old.
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So I started in my first car, I got up 15.
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I had an alarm system put in it
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and they couldn't figure out the locks.
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And I had kind of a complicated car.
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It's called a one wire lock system, got into it.
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Guy couldn't figure it out.
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Had it for two days.
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I said, hey, can I have the schematics for it?
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But I don't think you can figure it out.
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I took it home two hours later.
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I brought it back and said, here, I figured it out.
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This is how I did it.
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He goes, great, you want a job?
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You know, I enjoy doing this stuff.
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So electronics was my start.
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I understand them very well and I enjoy it.
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Like I don't have to think about it too much.
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It just comes to me.
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What were the first cars or bills
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that you really got your hands dirty with
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How did this all get rolling from the start?
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And was this what you were going to do
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or what would you have done otherwise?
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Well, I tried all the other stuff.
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You know, when you're young, you kind of bounce around,
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especially as a man, you know, you bounce around.
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I've done electrical work, home electrical work.
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I've done construction work.
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I've done, I built prisons when I was 17, 18 years old.
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I actually, so I was actually expelled
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from high school when I was 17.
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And so for kind of some stupid things,
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I was stupid, you know, stupid.
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You learn a lot of lessons.
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And so I went to build in prisons
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and I realized real quickly,
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I still worked on cars on the side
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and I learned real quickly
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that this was not the job that I wanted to do.
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I didn't want to wear pants,
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jeans in the middle of summer at 100 degrees.
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I didn't want to, you know,
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use porta-potties for days on end
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I just didn't like that anymore.
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And so I started to hone in
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and made money where I could,
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but I also always worked on cars on the side.
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So my very first project that I ever built
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that I realized that I could do something with
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would have probably been,
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we did one from Michael Orr long time ago,
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right about when the blind side came out,
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we got transferred to the Titans.
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I don't even know how we got his contact
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but we built one from Michael Orr
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and right about the same time
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we built one from Michael Griffin
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who was part of the Titans
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actually became really good friends of Michael Griffin
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and he's still a friend of mine.
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That was when we started,
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then I started to realize that
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I can make a living out of this.
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You know, I can do this permanently.
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And at the time I worked for another shop
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and realized that I had more charisma
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and more information than say the shop owner, right?
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The shop owner was just the owner.
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He didn't know how to install.
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So he would bring me out to talk to them anyways
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and they would call me and text me and ask me questions.
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So it was like, why do I need somebody in the middle?
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And with $3,000, I got my own shop and started it.
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How did growing up on the West Coast shape your style?
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I mean, it's such a cool culture, right?
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I mean, you spend any time in LA
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or surrounding areas or California in general
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and it's just different than other parts of the country.
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We've talked about that a lot on the show
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that design influences that come
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from different parts of the country
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but how did it change you or I guess shape you?
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The customizing culture started in LA.
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You know, the first chop tops
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and custom paint jobs and stuff like that.
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We were actually talking about this yesterday
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and me and my guys,
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guys that work on cars the way that we customize cars
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not just audio, but the way we customize cars
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we all have this certain kind of look and aura
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and carry ourselves a certain way.
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We usually wear like Dickie pants, Dickie shorts,
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have tattoos and we all have this way about us, right?
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And I think California, when I was born there
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and I was there until I was about 10-ish
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and then I moved to Las Vegas
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and it was there until I was about 15-ish, 14-ish.
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And so I got to experience a lot of that, right?
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I got to experience the people.
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I got to experience the cars.
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I always loved cars
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and my grandfather built cars, loved cars.
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And I think that gave me a different flair
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than it did out here.
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Because when you come out here, I mean,
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not to stereotype the South,
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because I love the South,
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not to stereotype it,
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but you're talking about the jacked up trucks
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and the jacked up jeeps
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and the mud and all that, right?
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That's what is known out here.
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And so when you come from California
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you don't really know about that.
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They don't mud out there.
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And maybe they do now,
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but back then they didn't mud and do all that stuff.
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So you bring this whole different type of culture here
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and I can marry them together
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and create something right in the middle
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that everybody can appreciate from both sides of the coast,
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And elite customs, I mean, the formation of it,
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did you always have a plan
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or was it more about adapting kind of in real time?
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Because I mean, there are a lot of custom shops
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that are out there.
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Very few at your level, Rich.
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So what was the plan or did it just evolve?
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There's not much of a plan.
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The plan was to just get into it and start doing it, right?
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And I think you have to reinvent yourself all the time
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because new things come out, new cars come out,
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new designs come out, new styles come out.
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Things change so much, so rapidly.
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Like, you know, the big thing right now is black wheels.
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You know, everybody wants black wheels.
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Well, it's starting to evolve from that
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and people are now going back to Chrome,
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which went away for a long time, you know?
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You have to be able to evolve
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and I think if you don't evolve,
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I tell my guys all the time,
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and you guys can teach me stuff too,
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even though I've been doing this 25 years
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and some of them, my guys are two years in,
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three years in, I can still learn stuff
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because they see stuff at a different angle.
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So I really, we have morning meetings every day,
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every month, morning,
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and I let my guys speak on what we're doing,
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what we're building, and I hear them.
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I don't just shut them down, you know?
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I wanna hear what their side sees
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because some of them are younger than me, you know?
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And they might see a different thing
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that I just can't see because of my age
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or block or whatever it might be.
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But that's, you have to evolve.
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You have to be able to bend and move
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and you cannot say, you can't stay static, you can't.
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And how do you balance?
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I mean, this is on business radio on SiriusXM
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and a lot of business owners out there,
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leaders who are always balancing creativity
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with the demands of running a business.
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You're in the most creative business in automotive.
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I mean, you take it, you mold it,
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you sculpt it, and you make it
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into a beautiful product,
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but you gotta run a business.
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And usually both sides of the brain
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don't work in that way, right?
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It's a tough dance, isn't it, Rich?
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It's, I'll tell you, the hardest thing for me to do
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was to realize that I'm only good at a few things.
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And the business side of it per se,
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like the paperwork and the taxes
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and the, you know, this and the that,
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I'm not the best at that.
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You know, when you first open a business,
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you kind of have to wear all the hats.
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And the hardest part for me
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was to let go of some of those things
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because of trust and, you know,
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are they gonna do it as good as I can do it?
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Do they have my best interests at heart?
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Do they have the best, you know,
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the business's best interests at heart?
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I'm so fortunate, one, to be in such a creative platform
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that I can release my creativity,
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but I'm also very fortunate that my wife,
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my wife, her mind thinks that way.
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here you handle all this stuff
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and you take care of all this stuff
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and I'll take care of the customers
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and the consults and the projects,
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you know, and I'm, and we're good.
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We make the best team ever.
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Now, did we butt heads?
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Oh God, did we butt heads?
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You know, it's hard working with your wife.
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But I think you can find,
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if you can find those people
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that really have your best interest
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and understand those things
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and you're able to let go a little bit,
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to let go of some of those responsibilities
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and realize that you can't be good at everything.
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You're just not good at everything.
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That was a hard pill to swallow for me, big one.
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What's something that you wish you knew
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when you were starting out
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and building this brand that you have now?
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I think more structure, more,
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so I just had a situation about a month ago
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where I had to call an old customer of mine
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because I found out that he was taking his cars
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to another shop and me and him had a long relationship,
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four or five years of building cars and stuff.
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So I called him up and, you know, we were friends
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but I had never heard anything negative
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or positive or whatever and I called him up
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and I asked him and said, hey man, what's going on?
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Did I do something, you know,
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that rubbed you the wrong way or whatever?
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And he goes, well, to be quite honest with you,
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he's like, I felt like the changes
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that you made in the shop in the front side
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didn't align with what they were originally
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and I just felt like my business wasn't appreciated.
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So I tried to listen to my customer
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and see what he was saying and, you know,
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I said, man, I really apologize
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that I made you feel that way
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and that it was, I had to make these changes
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in the front of my shop because basically what was happening
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is guys like that that I've known for 10 years
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or five years or 12 years would just stop by
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and stop in the back of the shop
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and then we'd sit and talk for 15, 20 minutes
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and it'd take me away from doing the business
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So I had to start setting consults
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and appointments and things like that
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which works great for me
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but the old guys that are used to the old ways
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didn't adapt very well
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and they felt like I was neglecting them per se.
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And so I had to explain that to him
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and he owned his own construction company
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and stuff like that
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and I explained it to him in a way that he could understand
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and he goes, you know what, I apologize.
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He was like, you're right.
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I understand things change.
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And he came in last week,
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him and his son, he bought a son a new truck
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and we're building a $20,000 truck for him now.
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And I think again, another pill to swallow is
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is being able to not just start your hands up
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and go, oh well, you know, to listen to your customer,
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take the little bit of time
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even if it's a shot at your ego.
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Yeah, yeah, that's true.
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I mentioned the word brand
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and I think that that applies to elite customs
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and how did you position elite customs
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to attract premium clients
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as you worked your way through
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the growth that you went through?
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Well, several of the projects that we built,
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you know, get a lot of attention, especially who they're for.
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I really try to befriend the majority of my client base
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if I have the opportunity,
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especially if we do multiple, multiple projects.
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So when I befriend them, they have zero problem
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come and represent me at a car show
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or drop in the car to let me take it to a car show
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or posting on social media about us, things like that.
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And of course, you know, their friends that are high profile
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follow them and ask questions,
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hey, where'd you get that car built?
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And they have zero problem going, oh yeah, yeah,
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go see my guy at elite customs.
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Matter of fact, that's how I met Jellywell, right?
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So I think that's how I did it.
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Most of my businesses is word of mouth.
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We do have social medias and stuff like that
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that my wife runs, but that's only been
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in the past three years, three years or so.
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And I've been open for almost 11.
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My sign, I have a little sign out front
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and I don't advertise much about anything else.
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We park our cars in the back.
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I try to keep a low enough profile
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where people don't just stop in
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to see Jellywell's car, per se.
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Yeah, the other clients, high profile clients
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that we have, but it works well for me.
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The word of mouth works well.
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Like I said, I try to treat.
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Do I get it right all the time?
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No, but I try my best to treat
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all any customer that comes in,
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whether they're famous or not, treat them the same.
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And I think it's worked very well for them.
24:39
When you scale a niche business,
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like you've done over the last nearly 11 years,
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why is that customer experience and detail,
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why are those two elements so key in the scaling process?
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And how are they, and how are you doing that,
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I guess, as a follow?
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Tennessee is weird, but I don't think it's so weird.
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This is a big, small world.
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I could travel, just a few months ago,
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I traveled to Michigan and I ran into two people I knew
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from Tennessee in Michigan.
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You know, it's this big, small world
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and you run into people and if you have
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negative things to say about somebody
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or they have negative things to say about you,
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and that'll hit 10 people before
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a positive thing will hit one, you know?
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And it's, so again, do I get it right every time?
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No, absolutely not, but I think having those,
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swallowing your pride a little bit,
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having some of those hard conversations
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with some customers that may be upset with you
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or whatever and trying to understand their point of view
25:46
from also your point of view,
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I think allows you, it gives you tools.
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It gives you tools to adjust, adjust your business,
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adjust your customer service.
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I also think the world has lost a lot of customer service.
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Yeah, that's so true, isn't it?
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A lot of connections.
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People don't even wanna really talk
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on the phone much anymore.
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That's one reason we have the consoles, you know?
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People email in with inquiries
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and some of them, you can't just answer.
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They're not that simple, you know?
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And so we have to set them up a console.
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We give them, I give them an hour
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of my undivided attention and I sit with them
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and I show them options on the computer
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and hey, we can do this, we can do that.
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I try to learn their style quickly, efficiently
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and give them exactly what they're looking for
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that they don't even know they're looking for, per se.
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Hmm, yeah, for sure.
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After the break, I'll continue my conversation
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with Rich McClellan.
26:42
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The automobile is one of the most important inventions
26:55
that revolutionized the modern world.
26:57
In America, the rich history of car culture runs deep.
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Technology continues to shape the future of the industry.
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Jason Stein is here to share the stories
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of people passionate about cars
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from industry leaders and innovators
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Buckle up as Jason takes you inside the boardroom,
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Welcome back to Cars and Culture on SiriusXM Business Channel 132.
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I'm your host, Jason Stein.
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Now, here's the continuation of my interview
27:26
with Rich McClellan.
27:28
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27:29
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Let's talk about your team and also the second half
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of the title of this program,
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What kind of team culture have you built at Elite Customs?
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And what do you look for
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when you're bringing someone into the fold?
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To be honest, this could be an unpopular opinion,
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but I like to bring guys in
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that don't really know a lot about my world
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because I want them to learn a certain way,
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I want them to learn a certain way
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what I think is the correct way.
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And breaking bad habits in people
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that have been at shops for years
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has proven to be very difficult.
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Now, I have a couple of guys that are experienced
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and they more or less per se fall in line,
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but two or three of my guys are fresh.
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They're green, they've been with me two years,
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they started with me only,
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and they do it exactly the way I do it,
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but I give them enough freedom
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to explore ideas, right?
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To explore, hey, if I did it this way instead of your way,
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it might be more efficient, might look better, great.
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But if it fails, now you do it my way, okay, no problem.
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So I give them enough, per se, enough rope to hang themselves.
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And I think that works out very well.
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We have a really good culture,
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something I started years ago,
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mentioned it about, hey, maybe we should do this.
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So every Friday, if we're here on Fridays,
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we, everybody sits in the lunch room together, we buy lunch.
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So we buy lunch every Friday,
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we all sit together and eat lunch.
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And I think it brings in something
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that probably most places don't do.
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And my guys seem to appreciate that a lot.
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Even if they have to say it's like,
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during the summertime, you know, the kids are here.
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We don't mind kids being here, it doesn't bother us.
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So they bring their kids, the kids eat lunch with us too.
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You know, we throw, we throw barbecues and stuff at the house
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and we invite all of our guys and we swim
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and, you know, throw a cornhole
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and, you know, just have a good time.
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And it's, it creates this family environment.
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You know, and I know a lot of businesses
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talk about, you know, a family, but most don't follow it.
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Right, right, exactly.
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No, you're, you're, you're following it in more ways than one
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and on every Friday.
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If you think about the mentors that you had along the way,
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who would those be?
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Or did you just prefer to learn by doing?
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Most of what I've got, I've learned by doing.
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I do have a couple of my friends
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who I've learned by doing.
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I do have a couple of clients that have become sort of mentors.
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I wouldn't call them, they don't actually like that term.
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I don't know why, but they have become kind of that.
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I kind of follow leads.
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One of my really good friends, his name is Roger
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and we've built probably 35 cars for him over two or three years.
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Yeah, but we've became, and I'm talking high profile,
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$1,000 plus builds on top of his expensive cars,
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but we've become such good friends when we travel.
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Like we go to Florida with him and his wife.
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I was in his wedding.
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Me and my wife were in his wedding.
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I mean, we, we do things all the time together
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and he is a very savvy businessman, a very good man,
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good father, good husband.
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And he is a huge inspiration to me of how to act.
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This man is worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
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but you would never know it because no matter who you are,
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how you're dressed, how much money you have,
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he treats everybody exactly the same.
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And he is a very consistent person.
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And I, I enjoy that so much.
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And it's a huge inspiration to me.
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Sounds like a great show guest here.
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Just in the final 10 minutes that we have,
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let's talk a little bit about with the future and maybe what
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you're thinking is, you know, what's the next step?
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Would you ever consider bringing your work to TV
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or streaming platforms?
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We've had numerous guests on this program who are
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designers or who are in your world who also have some
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more high profile things on the side,
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custom car shows, documentaries, behind the scenes,
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Would you ever consider things like that?
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So we actually filmed a pilot a couple of years ago,
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a year and a half ago, when we built the Lincoln Continental
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for Jelly Rolls that went to the scene.
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So we actually paid out of our pocket to film this.
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And it is being pitched to people more of a,
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not a car building show, you know,
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there's tons of car building shows,
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but more of the way me and my wife interact and
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our families interact.
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And my sister-in-law works for us as well.
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She's a front-end manager.
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And so the way that all that acts,
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it's more of like a family that happens to be
33:03
set in a car world, you know.
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And it's really good.
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And then since then,
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we've added a couple of more businesses.
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Like we actually opened our own powder coat company,
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which is in-house as well,
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just because we got tired of sending it out
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and not getting the quality product back.
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So we just bought the equipment and did it ourselves.
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So now we own, I think, total four businesses,
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me and my wife together,
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and she runs them all and manages them all.
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And I managed the labor part of it back in the back.
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And so that's kind of our future of building that up,
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of building those companies up,
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and letting them drive
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and potentially selling them or not,
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or having somebody else run them eventually.
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We own our own REM company too,
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so we make and develop and design our own REMs.
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And they come in, they're very, very strong,
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and we design them each one.
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We sit down with the customer and design it,
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and then have it cut and made,
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and we get it within 60 days built.
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What does growth look like for elite customers?
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Let's say over the next five years.
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Is it more builds or is it new locations maybe?
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We are working towards that.
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We're looking for our own land.
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The building that we're actually in, we lease it.
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And we've been in this building about eight years,
34:29
and the owners are friends of ours,
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and they're great, great people.
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But we are looking for our own land to build our own building,
34:37
just so we have that.
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I mean, I think it's a really smart business move
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to own your own building,
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because then you have that as well, right, to fall back on.
34:46
But yeah, I mean, that's our building plans
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for the next five years is to own our own building.
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Not necessarily more projects.
34:55
We've got enough projects on our hands already, as it is.
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I would say more higher profile projects,
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not people, but bigger builds,
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like larger time-consuming builds
35:07
that put us on the map more, right?
35:09
They're not just your everyday G-Wagons
35:11
or your everyday cars driving around town.
35:14
These are cars that only get taken out of a weekend
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that go to shows and really turn heads.
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Do you feel a responsibility, Rich,
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to inspire younger builders or creators coming up behind you?
35:29
Are you looking to that next generation?
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Absolutely, absolutely.
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So, you know, I started when I was 15 years old
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in this industry, per se,
35:40
and it evolved from there.
35:43
Some of our young guys that worked for us,
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one of them was 18, one of them was 22,
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and they started with us years ago,
35:52
and I love to be able to teach that knowledge,
35:56
because one day that knowledge might be obsolete,
36:00
and it might go away,
36:02
but I love to pass whatever knowledge that I have
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down to the younger generation,
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and me and my wife have actually talked about that.
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I talked about going into either technical schools
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or even high schools, for that matter,
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because I went down a little bit of the wrong path
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I got arrested at 18,
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and God saved my life,
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and I didn't serve any time
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or catching any felonies or anything like that.
36:30
I was able to get myself out of it and realize quickly
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that, hey, this is the wrong way to go
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and turn my life around.
36:37
Some of these kids don't necessarily have that,
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they don't have that opportunity,
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and I'd love to present that opportunity.
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Hey, there's something more you can do.
36:46
You don't have to be a construction worker.
36:48
You don't have to work at a desk.
36:50
You can get your creativity out on a car.
36:53
A lot of young guys, especially guys, love cars.
36:56
We are starting to see more females
36:59
like their cars customized,
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which is a big direction that me and my wife
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are headed in right now.
37:05
As a matter of fact, we deliver one today.
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It's a G-Wagon for Aaron Forsberg
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that is her husband's place for the Prez.
37:13
We fully customize it,
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but we sat down with her and she designed the whole thing.
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A little bit of our help,
37:20
but she designed the caliper color, the wrap color.
37:23
She designed our custom forged wheels.
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We did the whole build with her,
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and this is her project.
37:31
It's really cool to see a female
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come into a male-dominated industry
37:38
and produce something that men would drive to.
37:42
They'd be like, that's bad.
37:46
We really want to run that direction as well,
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because I think females are...
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Well, there's a big stigma.
37:53
There's a big stigma in the automotive industry with females.
37:58
They're going to get taken advantage of.
38:01
Long ago, we had Ferrari custom mechanic,
38:04
Victoria Bruno, on this program,
38:06
who's done extremely well.
38:08
She was one of only 10, I think, or 12,
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supreme Ferrari mechanics customizers
38:17
who worked on that brand.
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It was just an inspiring story.
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There are so many other young people out there like that.
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Let's talk to the young person who's out there
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who's 15 years old or 18 years old
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and maybe building prisons instead of sitting in one.
38:34
What advice do you give to the kid
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who loves cars and wants to build something
38:39
but maybe doesn't know where to start?
38:43
I started working on my own car.
38:45
If I broke something on my car, it was my car.
38:48
The pull-up, the pull-part yards, they're great.
38:52
Great places to go.
38:53
You can pull parts.
38:54
You can work on parts.
38:55
You can work on cars.
38:56
When I came up, Google wasn't available to me
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and YouTube wasn't available to me.
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They have a lot of information at their fingertips
39:03
that they can utilize.
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Also, don't be afraid to come into some of these shops,
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some of the custom shops that are around and go,
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hey, listen, I just want to learn.
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I want to know about this
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or can I pay you guys to install this
39:18
but can I help or can I watch?
39:20
We have done that several times
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with younger guys that want to come in
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and just kind of know about it, right?
39:30
I take a lot of pride in that.
39:35
Our oldest son just started driving
39:39
and we bought him a BMW on purpose
39:42
that needed work, needed a door hole
39:45
and needed brakes and tires and all this stuff.
39:48
I made him learn how to do it all.
39:51
I taught him but he did all of the work himself
39:54
and he has so much more pride driving his vehicle
39:58
and telling people about his vehicle
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because he put his hands on that vehicle.
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How do you continue to overcome doubt?
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Well, maybe daring to do what others say is impossible.
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Well, that's a great answer.
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I doubt myself or I get down on myself
40:22
or something's just kicked me in the teeth.
40:25
My wife usually bring me back up.
40:27
She'll be like, listen, you've got to focus on these things,
40:30
these positive things that you're doing already.
40:33
You can't focus on those negative things
40:35
because the positives far outweigh the negative
40:39
and that usually, you know,
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I have a few minutes to sit with myself
40:43
and she's right as much as I hate to admit that.
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That brings me peace and joy and, you know, clarity.
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What are you most proud of as you reflect back on a decade
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and more and the journey to get from prison building to here?
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My kids, my family, you know, I mean, I can't,
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I couldn't do any of this without it.
41:12
You know, my wife, you know, a lot of times
41:14
if I have to work late, she's at home making dinner,
41:17
taking care of the kids, taking care of the animals, whatever.
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And, you know, I'll work late.
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I can work 9.30, 10 o'clock at night
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and make sure the job gets done to provide for my family.
41:27
But if my family's not there or being taken care of,
41:31
then that just puts a whole different level of stress on me.
41:34
I know I don't have to worry about my family at home
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because they're taken care of.
41:39
Yeah. Yeah. Wonderful answer.
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A final thing for the audience who, you know,
41:45
members who may not know,
41:47
what sets elite customs apart?
41:50
Why elite customs and not others?
41:55
The honest answer, I believe personally,
41:59
this is from customers testimonials,
42:01
is customer service, you know.
42:03
And we don't get it right every time,
42:05
but we're from customers,
42:09
we're inviting our places, inviting it's not,
42:12
it doesn't put off a lot of masculine energy per se.
42:18
It is inviting to them to come in here
42:21
and not have all the knowledge and all the answers.
42:25
I'll sit down and educate them.
42:27
I have no problem educating somebody on,
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even if they don't do the build with me,
42:32
but at least you go somewhere and you have some education now
42:34
and they won't screw you over potentially.
42:37
Because that still runs a little rampant in this industry.
42:41
Whether it's a customer industry.
42:44
It's a lost art form.
42:47
Sorry to say that, but customer service,
42:50
as you said earlier in the interview,
42:52
whether it's talking on the phone
42:54
or just dealing with people one-on-one,
42:56
we seem to have lost our way as it relates to that.
42:59
As a society, you're putting it back in.
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I'm trying. Every day, I'm trying.
43:04
Every day I try my best to put on the best face I can
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and the best information that I can
43:12
and give the best I can do.
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The girls up front, they're fantastic.
43:17
My sister-in-law and we have another reception
43:20
at South Front Crystal Sheet. They're great.
43:22
I mean, they talk to these customers like they're their best friends
43:25
and make them feel so wanted and comfortable.
43:29
I mean, they just take their time with them
43:33
and I think that's what people are missing,
43:35
especially our generation per se.
43:38
You know, I'm 42 years old.
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That's what we kind of came up.
43:42
We're used to that, you know, and when it goes away,
43:44
it's like, man, where did this, where did it go to shit?
43:47
You know, and I want the younger generation to see that too.
43:54
And I think communication is a big, big key,
43:59
Text messages give misconstrued a lot
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Yeah, for sure. For sure.
44:06
I'm that guy, I'll pick up the phone and call you.
44:08
And my sister-in-law gets mad at me.
44:10
She's like, you got to have some kind of paper trail
44:12
to go back on what's said.
44:13
And I was like, I get it, but you can't relay
44:16
what you need to relay.
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Right, right, right.
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Your story really blends entrepreneurial, savvy,
44:26
creative artistry and your own take on car culture.
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And we really appreciate you sharing that with our listeners today.
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And I think whether you're a gearhead or a business owner,
44:36
you learn something from this conversation.
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So for that, we thank you and let us know the next time
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an artist is going to pivot hard in a certain genre
44:46
because we'll get on board that artist before he does it
44:50
because your track record is phenomenal.
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Well, thank you, Jason.
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I really appreciate you having me on here
44:55
and I appreciate your listeners a lot.
44:57
It has been a wonderful interview
44:59
and I look forward to talking to you in the future.
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Wonderful, thank you.
45:04
Thanks again to Rich for sharing his journey
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from setback to startup, from prison construction
45:11
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45:13
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That's episode 216.
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We'll see you down the road.