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Mercedes-Benz SL
Car
Mercedes-Benz R230 SL 55
The Mercedes-Benz R230 SL 55 is a fancy sports car that can turn into a convertible. It's known for being fast and comfortable, making it great for driving on sunny days.
Term
twin-turbo
Twin-turbo means the engine has two turbochargers. Turbochargers help the engine produce more power without using more fuel, making the car faster and more efficient.
Car
Mercedes-Benz SL65
The Mercedes-Benz SL65 is a fancy sports car that is very powerful and luxurious. It's designed for people who want both speed and comfort.
Car
Mercedes-Benz SLR
The Mercedes-Benz SLR is a super-fast sports car that looks really cool. It's made to be very powerful and is a special car that not many people have.
Car
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
The Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren is a fast and powerful sports car made by Mercedes-Benz in collaboration with McLaren. It's famous for its sleek look and impressive speed.
Car
Ferrari F355
The Ferrari F355 is a fast and stylish sports car made by Ferrari. It was popular in the 1990s and is loved for its powerful engine and beautiful looks.
Car
Mercedes-Benz R230
The R230 is a model of the Mercedes-Benz SL-Class, a luxury sports car that can convert from a coupe to a convertible. It was made between 2001 and 2011 and is known for its stylish design and powerful engines.
Part
water pump
The water pump helps keep the engine cool by moving coolant around. If it breaks, the engine can get too hot and might get damaged.
Car
Dodge Viper
The Viper is a sports car made by Dodge that has a very powerful engine. It's known for being fast and exciting to drive.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The more horsepower, the faster and stronger the car can be.
Term
parking sensors
Parking sensors help you park your car by alerting you if you're getting too close to something. They make beeping sounds or show lights to warn you about obstacles nearby.
Term
keyless entry
Keyless entry lets you unlock and start your car without using a traditional key. You just need to have a special fob or your phone with you.
Car
Porsche Boxster
Term
supercharged V8
A supercharged V8 is a type of engine that gets extra power by forcing air into it, making it faster and more responsive when you press the gas pedal.
Term
V12
A V12 is an engine with twelve cylinders that helps cars run smoothly and powerfully, but it can be slower to respond compared to some other engine types.
Term
spool up
When you press the gas in a turbocharged car, it takes a moment for the turbo to start working and provide extra power. This delay is called spooling up.
Term
VTEC
VTEC is a technology used in some Honda engines that helps the engine run better at different speeds. It makes the car more powerful when you need it and more efficient when you don't.
Term
aftermarket headlight solution
Aftermarket headlight solutions are lights for your car that you buy from other companies, not the ones that came with the car. They can make your headlights brighter or change their look.
Car
Subaru Solterra
Car
Honda Crv
Car
Honda Pilot
The Honda Pilot is a type of SUV that is big enough to carry several passengers and their belongings. It's made by Honda and is known for being comfortable and practical for families.
Car
BMW M5
Car
Saleen XP8
The Saleen XP8 is a special version of the Ford Explorer made by Saleen. They improve the look and performance of the Explorer to make it more exciting to drive.
Car
Audi S7
Car
Jeep Cherokee
Car
Cadillac DeVille
The Cadillac DeVille is a big, fancy car that was made for many years. People liked it because it was comfortable and easy to get in and out of.
Car
Toyota Sequoia
The Toyota Sequoia is a big SUV that has a lot of space inside and can tow heavy things. It's made for families and can handle rough roads.
Term
third row
The third row is an extra row of seats in a car, so more people can ride along. It's often found in bigger SUVs and vans, which is helpful for families.
Car
BMW E60
Brand
Stellantis
Stellantis is a big car company that owns many brands like Jeep and Ram. They make a variety of vehicles, from trucks to SUVs.
Term
10-cylinder engine
A 10-cylinder engine is a type of engine that has ten small engines (cylinders) inside it. This helps the car go really fast and perform well.
Car
Dodge Srt10 Ram
Car
Dodge Charger
Car
Jeep Wagoneer
Car
Ford Lobo
Car
Dodge Ram
Car
Bugatti Veyrons
Car
Renault Twingo
Car
Fiat Multipla
Car
Audi RS2
Car
Nissan Sentra
Car
Toyota Supra
Car
Lamborghini Urus
Car
Toyota Camrys
Car
Ferrari 512 TR
Car
Ferrari 512 M
Car
Mazda Miatas
Car
BMW Z4
Car
BMW Z3
Car
Lotus Esprit
Car
Shelby Cobra
Car
Plymouth Prowler
Car
Honda Accord
Car
Acura NSX
Car
BMW E38
Car
Porsche 911
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Hello, and welcome to this car pod.
Hi, I'm Kenan.
I'm Nick.
Nick's here because Filippo is gone once again.
Is Filippo even still part of this?
He's galavanting.
I galavanted the summer.
He's currently galavanting, but Nick is here.
We got a lot to cover today.
But undoubtedly, the biggest news story
is sitting behind me.
Kenan, tell it to us.
The biggest news, at least in my world,
is that I finally bought a car.
Kenan has bought a car pod.
I finally bought a car.
Kenan has bought a car, folks.
This trumps all on a boat of news for the week.
Yes.
As I've been alluding to,
there are a lot of cars I was thinking about.
I mentioned the R230 SL 55.
I can see it's an R230.
Is it an SL 320?
No, baby.
That's the big boy.
It's an SL 65 AMG.
I've always wanted one of these cars.
I mentioned it briefly on the podcast,
and someone actually reached out to Nick,
who then was connected with me,
and here the car is.
It's a lovely example.
Like I said, 07, albaster white, red interior,
and a six-liter bi-turbo V12.
Six-liter twin-turbo V12.
And Kenan is going to tell us more about it on his...
Oh, yes.
It's the other piece of very big news on my YouTube channel.
So I have my own YouTube channel
that I've started by the time this is out.
The first video has gone live.
So it's just my name, Kenan Rolson,
which no one knows how to spell,
but it's K-E-N-A-N.
Yes.
If you start looking,
we'll have it linked in the description below.
Of course.
But feel free to check it out if you are so inclined to...
Kenan has...
Folks, folks.
Nick, this is the biggest.
Kenan has a YouTube channel and an SL65.
All right.
You know what?
I'm kind of salty, all right?
Not only did he get an SL65,
he got a Rentec tuned one.
So Mr. Anti-Mod has more horsepower
and more torque than my SLR.
And I can tell you he paid a little less.
Yep.
Don't even forget it.
On top of that,
he's creating a new YouTube channel.
Sounds familiar.
And I heard he's launching an automotive marketplace
called Vehicles and Wages.
So, like, come on.
Okay.
So let's talk about this.
Nick just bought his SLR.
He talked about it on the pod last week.
He revealed it on his own.
We've all got YouTube channels everywhere.
Yes.
Everybody except Felipe,
who will buy a car and have a YouTube channel soon,
hopefully.
Yes.
He will never...
Coming soon.
Dot, dot, dot.
Yeah.
But let's talk about this.
He's got an SL65.
Yeah.
So that SLR,
you got a week ago,
wrap out of him.
Well, look,
I had waited 20 years to own my F-355.
I bought it.
It was a huge deal.
And then both of you
bought cars within, like, a week
and took all of my thunder.
So the tickets come home to roost, my friends.
I actually bought my car first.
It just took a while to get here.
Yes.
Both of you actually beat me to having your car
actually arrive,
but that's due to the dealer
who bought it from that whole thing.
But nonetheless,
yes, I do now
also have a high-powered
range-topping Mercedes.
You and I bought cars at the same time.
Our friends Sam bought a car at the same time.
There's just these seasons of life
where you change out all the cars
and get a new one.
So I'm thrilled you did it.
Thank you.
And it is funny to see the two cars together
knowing how similar they are.
And Doug, it's time.
Doug still wants a 993 turbo.
What are you doing?
Please buy one.
So people stop sending me listings.
I know.
I know.
People keep sending me listings
to silver ones.
It is so Euro one.
I've had somebody just now,
just right now,
reach out and be like,
buy a Euro one in Europe.
I want a US 993.
Okay.
So, white, red, SL65,
how many miles?
72,300 miles.
Are we not a little bit concerned?
No.
Now initially,
there's two things.
Nick has taught me that
you kind of can just go into this
and learn what it's like.
You don't have to be as afraid.
Now, maybe the Bentley,
you know,
You don't do that.
You can go to a certain level,
but just don't go too far
or buy that crappy of a car.
Right.
You have to listen to Doug at some point.
Right.
And I did some research.
This is a technically in R230.2.
They got a little bit better
with the facelift of this car
for the first time.
They then facelifted it again,
which is the one with the
different front end.
So this car's got a little bit
more reliable,
but also this car comes with
a stack of service documentation.
Yeah.
Not the previous owner,
but the owner before him
was an engineer
and he got an aftermarket warranty
and used it a lot.
And so I have documentation
like this that shows
the ABC system with service
that the,
I think the water pump,
which is a known issue
on those engines,
has been replaced.
A bunch of other stuff too.
So I'm really not
particularly worried about it.
And I'll do a video
talking about,
I'm not wrong with my SL65,
but so far I've put about
500 miles on it
since I got it
a couple of weeks ago
and not an issue so far.
Folks,
Kenan has bought a car.
The chickens have come home
to roost.
I think that,
I don't know what that means.
It's a Midwestern thing.
It is interesting.
He's been talking
about buying a car for a long time.
Some people,
me included,
have been giving him,
oh, he's never going to buy a car.
The commenters have been
way more brutal.
But here it is.
And not only that,
Kenan was talking about
a Vora,
a Lotus,
a Viper.
He went above and beyond
all that.
He's got 800 horsepower
and 9 million pound-feet of torque.
Yeah,
allegedly it's 735 horsepower
and 826 pound-feet of torque.
With the tune.
Yeah, allegedly.
So we have to verify.
On your end,
I mean,
you know,
he also gets things
like parking sensors.
His keyless entry
doesn't require you
to put the key in to start it.
There's a budget,
like the folding hard top.
I believe you have Bluetooth
that streams music.
Yes.
There's a lot of amenities.
Well, you have a cassette player, though.
But he has to be 12.
And you have a little thing
you flip up and you hit,
you know, start,
you know, that's pretty cool.
It's,
I will say, having them side-by-side,
the SLR does have
a little extra presence.
It is interesting.
I think one of the complaints
that people have about the SLR
is that it's sort of like an SL.
But when you actually
put them next to each other,
it's like the Carrera GT
in the Boxster.
Oh, it's like a Boxster.
Well, that's true
right up until you get
him next to each other.
And then you realize kind of that
the SLR is a more precise,
tighter,
like more kind of
insanely created.
They're both really special.
And I think seeing them together,
you recognize similarities
and differences.
But like the SL65 is also
very under version.
And we have always wanted one
in this group,
the all of us.
No, we've been.
Three of us and a few others,
some of them appear on this.
I talk about it more in the video,
but that engine,
you know, I got.
Now there,
that is another,
we can talk about this all day,
but there is a reason
that it's super charged V8
and not a V12.
It's because it's just a more
immediate.
That engine takes a second
to spool like a jet turbine.
But my God,
when we've both been on the
highway together,
both have laid into it.
And it's pretty even, Nick.
It takes a second to spool up
as a good vibe for you.
Yes, I do take a second.
Where's Ken and I spooling up.
He's taking a second to spool up.
VTech hasn't caught in yet.
Anyway,
there's going to be more
on Ken and his YouTube channel
talking about the SF65.
Go there and watch.
And he's going to have more
stuff and more updates
and interesting automotive
content like Ken and YouTube.
There's Ken and fans.
There are Ken and fans.
There are Nick fans.
There are Filippo fans.
There are Filippo.
Filippo.
Filippo doesn't care about
any of this though.
So you're never going to
get any content out of him.
But these two will give you
content.
And Ken and go to
Ken and his YouTube channel.
I'm very excited myself to
subscribe.
I plan to be subscriber number
four.
Oh, thank you.
It's very kind.
Yeah.
Can you send me a link?
I will.
I'm not a subscriber.
I will send everybody links.
Okay.
We got to go on to
what is going on right now.
I don't have anything
specific to say.
By the time you're watching
this, it will have gone on
a little more.
But right now it's just
started.
So there's not that much
happening when we're
filming this.
Today Toyota released
a Scion.
A Scion.
A Scion.
It is a side-by-side.
It's an all-terrain
vehicle.
And it's apparently made
from Tacoma parts.
But it is nonetheless called
the Scion 01.
And it is like the
Scion brand has returned.
And actually on the side of it,
it literally says Scion.
Huh.
Yeah.
In the Arctic camera.
But there's other stuff too.
We have a couple of friends
over there who are sending us
pictures.
And obviously all of it
is tasteless and ridiculous,
which is the fun of SEMA.
That's what we are looking for.
Well, Ken and your big
mod guy with your Rentec tunes.
This is your vibe.
Tell us about it.
Yeah.
I've never been to SEMA.
I can't imagine a place
to be more out of
like fish out of water
than SEMA.
I will say that
Throttle has their GT
for GT.
Oh, yeah.
They debuted that there.
TJ Hunt also.
They finished it?
Yeah, it looks incredible.
It's a WD-40 delivery.
But it came out really cool.
Then TJ Hunt debuted
a new car there too.
So it feels like
the other San Diego YouTuber
should probably be
bringing something to SEMA next year.
You've ever been to SEMA?
Absolutely not.
And I have no one.
Look at that.
I know everything.
I'm not a Vegas guy in general.
It's not like kind of my vibe.
And I definitely don't want
Vegas to have a million people
run up to me and tell me
about their aftermarket
headlight solution.
There's some...
A lot of it now,
it is supposed to be a trade show
for people in the business.
Yeah.
Not like a car show,
but kind of more than a car show.
Yeah.
There was a video
or a photo I saw of someone
like snuck into the event
through the air vents
in the ceiling and stuff like that.
So it's like,
it's become a total circus
as you would expect.
Is it even hard to get tickets?
I mean, it's 100 bucks.
It's a show that you're
in the industry
to approve.
It's like getting a press pass.
Come on.
I mean, yeah.
It's like getting
press photography plates
on your car.
Excuse me.
I am a bona fide press photographer.
Okay.
So SEMA is going on.
That Toyota thing is the first
big piece of news I've seen
out of there.
Nothing else yet,
but I'm sure there will be
more Google SEMA content.
Get off this video.
Get out of our podcast.
SEMA.com
slash aftermarket
headlight solution.
Instagram.com is also
a good source
for more SEMA.
My Instagram is all tennis.
So I don't get any
car stuff there anymore.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
Just tennis.
Just Federer in his back end.
Pretty much.
It's all
it's all the car stuffs
all stopped.
And sometimes I get
accident videos,
crash videos.
Oh, yeah.
I'm interested in that.
I'm interested in that.
Interesting.
Okay.
Let's see.
Move on to the next story.
The next story is a great one.
EV sales.
I don't want to harp on this
because we've talked about it
before and we predicted
this would happen.
But the tax
the tax incentive for EVs
ended at the end of last
month.
It ended at the end
of September.
Yep.
And here we are in October,
the spooky month.
And boy, is it
spooky if you're selling EVs.
The numbers are
absolutely wild.
We all knew they would
drop.
Ionic 6 sales were down
52%.
That car is already
a car that was selling
pretty lowly.
I read that prologged sales
were down 80%.
Wow.
80.
Oh my God.
You know, I was in D.C.
a couple weeks ago
and I saw a prologged
drive by with one of
those magnet decal things
on the side that said
we buy junk cars.
And I'm like,
for that type of person
to get a brand new EV,
you know they were
deals.
Right?
So true.
But they ain't
anymore.
Wow.
80% decline.
It's a complete disaster.
I mean, it's hard
because they robbed Peter
to pay Paul, right?
Last quarters were good
because it pulled forward
a lot.
So like Q4 is also
not indicative.
Like Q1 should be better
because it will
have normalized versus
if you were thinking
like September 30th,
should I buy now
or wait a month?
Like you were buying
now.
I think the output is probably
about what it's going to be.
So I don't necessarily
think there was like a big
oh, it went up
and then it went down.
But it's going to
I think it went up
and it went down
and it's going to stay down.
The drive is reporting
the following.
Subaru Solterra in 25
was about to
was about to match
its 24 sales total
right up until October.
They sold 10,000
units in 24.
So a thousand a month.
I don't know 800.
Last month they sold 13.
Nationally.
Wow.
Yikes.
Now that car
is about to be replaced.
So there's something to that.
But it was also a terrible EV
and I bet there's
an enormous amount of
inventory
and that inventory
will never move.
If you're if you're
watching this podcast
in 2063,
you can still get a new
25 Solterra on the lot
right now.
It's under a couple
feet of dust,
but it's there.
Jaguar has to be
really worried.
They bet the whole
company on an EV
and they're saying
good news.
I think Jaguar
should be worried
for a lot of reasons.
I've been worried really
not since like the E type.
Right.
Honest.
All right.
Give us our next
news story, please.
Oh, Honda.
I'm looking up news
for this pod
and I've got a
Motor Trends website.
Can you pull up
Motor Trends news
website please?
Latest breaking.
Motor Trends.
What's the headline?
Honda getting serious
about more
actually capable
off-road model.
You know what's funny?
I've heard that.
I've heard that
they should do that.
Someone somewhere
has been harping on it
on the world's largest
automotive podcast.
I wonder
who convinced them
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for the sake that
I don't think we'll be
able to fit your
head on camera
if you really
think you have
that much influence.
You know what I think
influenced it
is that
they took a look
at 14 years
of four-runner sales
so maybe
we'll make something
capable.
Why does Honda
take such a long time
to realize these
things that seem
very obvious to everybody
else?
They're just
afraid.
They're a very
conservative,
slow-moving
kind of tepid company
and they're
very afraid to go
outside of their core
and sometimes
they do
but even then
they're
afraid to really
invest in it.
I can relate to
that personally
but they need
a nick to
push them.
The original
insight,
the element,
they were doing some
legit stuff
and then they pulled back.
I agree about the
insight, the original
insight, but even
the element
was a CRV, right?
And they did
some weird packaging
and it was cool
but ultimately
even that
they even made
an SC version
that wasn't
supercharged.
Just had the
same regular
and it was
purely cosmetic.
There's never
this
until it is
really absolutely proven
that this is
a CRV.
But maybe now
that'll change.
Maybe they'll
finally go body
on frame.
I hope like
the new camera you
are bestowed
the honor
being the first person
in America to
drive one
outside.
Whatever the
off-road vehicle
is.
Yeah, the
passport,
transport
cutting it.
This mildly
lifted pilot
or whatever it is
that we're
looking at.
I don't
even think it's
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Ah yes
a picture of a
tunnel.
Portia recently filed
a patent
for an
interesting feature
in their cars.
Now
as car people
we approach a
tunnel
we kind of
go through this
ritual.
You slow down
a little bit
you put the windows
and then you do
it will choose
a lower gear
if it's cold outside
it will raise the temperature
so it can lower the windows
a little bit
so you can hear it.
If you're in a convertible
it will warn you
it'll tell you
hey put the top down
so you can hear
the engine
which can you imagine
pulling over
putting the top down
then going through
then putting the top
back up ridiculous.
But what was
fascinating to me
is that
this mode will come
into existence
for gas cars
that makes sense
they're also
ridiculous
but nonetheless
this whole mode is very
silly but
I think it is
kind of cool
and if they did
I'd be pretty
into it.
It's a fun idea
and you know in this age
of Tesla's
with the
you know the
fireplace
and Ford pickups
with the
drawing pad
and Mercedes
with
air hockey
and the screen
like weird things
like this
are going to be
a thing
and so I'm
happy that
even the Germans
was beyond just function.
Yes, I think it's
I think it's
I think it's cute
and it's fun
and it works
for the Porsche brand.
You might call it a quirk
you might call it a quirk
as a quirk and feature
guy I love this stuff
the thing that they're
missing so whenever
I see a tunnel
I do everything
you said
but then you got to
yell something before
and afterwards
so it's usually
fire in the hole
and you drive through
and then I ask
my passenger
did you enjoy
the song of my people
do you guys
not do that
like just
the cold starts too
his neighbors love them
do you actually yell
fire in the hole
before entering a tunnel
I mean sometimes it's like
hey watch this
or is it only when
you have a passenger
or is it
when you're solo as well
if I'm in
if I'm in Wyoming
yeah hold my beer
they'll take a drive
one of the states
that's legal
that is not
none of them
Mississippi for a long time
they have like
drive through
slushy places
but wait
when you don't have
a passenger
do you still do this
I'm sorry
I only heard like
three of those words
occasionally
I mean
I talk to myself
I sing to myself
you guys don't
talk to yourself
I do but I don't yell
fire in the hole
and then
it gets you
mentally ready
to really enjoy
yeah
no I'm sure it does
okay move on to the next
destroy place
oh
saline
this is one for you
so saline
is coming out with
another super
wait
let's
let's couch that
saline claims
they're coming out
with the next
right
yes
allegedly
in the future
maybe
they released a
contact call
they're calling
the S11
and this is their
supercar
they're
supposedly going to
come out with
now at the
LeMay Museum
in Tacoma, Washington
they actually have
a clay model
of this car
but the
interesting thing is
that they're
asking people
go through the museum
to have input
on the car
so they're kind of crowd sourcing
the design for this thing
so
if you want to have input
on a saline
go to Seattle
you can
make a video of this
go to Seattle
and have some input
on what the S11
is going to look like
you are saline enthusiast
yeah and I've got
some thoughts
and a former owner
I love saline
I desperately want
to buy another one
I miss my xp8
the S7
is like one of my
dream cars
money was no object
which it would need
to be for that car
I would absolutely
buy one
the companies had a hard time
they tried to expand
and get a deal in China
that went really south
and almost bankrupt them
they were doing a lot of
fundraising
where they were hitting up
everyone on their email list
saying like hey
invest in the future
of saline
and like promising them stuff
it's gotten a little
sad
but don't you think
that was kind of always
the situation with saline
well the 90s
they were like on top
of the world
and Tim Allen
was racing with them
but do you think they were
do you know what I mean
they were more relevant
than they are as of late
so you do wonder
I mean they had the S1
do you remember that concept
more than a con
it was a race series
that they were China
yeah the S1 sports car in China
they never
they never got the budget
to make it road legal
but there was maybe
a couple dozen
I remember the S5S
I don't remember that
that was one year
I was in Monterey
and that was around
they started doing
Teslas at one point
chargers
Teslas
with the S
why do people complain
when we say that one
yeah me in particular
yeah so I hope
they've always had great
styling
that is a cool looking car
I love the car
make it look like that
very NSX looking
I also wonder
like if you're
so you're walking through
your museum and you're
giving feedback
like is it like a little
post note you put in there
or is it like the bathroom
they have
how clean is our bathroom
like thumbs up thumbs down
like
they have like a bunch
of things that you can
vote on as a participant
they're gonna be like
revealing these elements
to people who are
participating throughout the
year so you have like
time to do this
I mean I'm down
we all want to go
but I do not
I worry
I hope this happens
and I hope that they
find their path forward
but
yeah the simple reality
is that creating a supercar
especially in today's
environment
takes an enormous amount
of effort
unless you're gonna go
EV
which case it won't
succeed right
so you can either
create a gas one
that's gonna be really
hard to do
or you can create an
EV which won't
succeed yeah
those are your choices
we do not do this
because it is easy
we do this
because it is hard
like that
no he would
probably Kennedy
I'll tell you that
what do you think
how this looks
that looks fine
I mean I dig it
oh that would be
his feet he would
take that road trip
all the way up to
Seattle to the
I dig it
well that's what
I dig it
these museum people
what are they gonna
say like
they're not
like automotive
engineers or
art students
like
well that's a thing
like oh
make the rims
bigger
pretty big
like boat face
yeah
you know like
I don't think that's
a great way to
to do this
but you know to each
their own
alright give us
our next news
story please
ah a Jeep outside
I know
well speaking of
fires
dumpster fires
and regular
Jeep has a
recall on
320,000
4 by
E models
which is
their plug in
hybrids
due to a
fire risk
and Jeep's
official statement
has been
been majorly harmful
but anytime
a plug in
EV is being
say don't
park it indoors
remember when that
happened during the
pandemic with
a bunch of
bolts and bolts
so it's
as if
it weren't bad
enough for
Stalantis and it
weren't bad enough
for the 4 by
E model line
in the grand Cherokee
now they're saying
you can't park them
in your car
no recalls happen
and don't
park outside
things happen
I mean
how
what's better
what's worse press
do you think
saying don't
park your car inside
or
come to the
Tacoma Automotive
Museum
and vote on your way
to the bathroom
this is like
the premier
automotive museum
in the world
I've never been to it
but I've
heard of the
Peterson
maybe aside from
the Peterson
those two are
like the
automotive museums
number one
number two
crowdsourcing a car
from a
Honda cord was born
they're all going to be
like oh remember
when the DeVille was out
that was so easy to get in
and out
raise the ride height
make it a little
kind of museum
it's cool
they're going to ask for
like a bench seat in the
front enthusiasts
go to the museum
it makes sense
that they would
reach out to people
this is bad press
but any recall
is a recall
it happens
there's tons of recalls
tons
every car
the Kia guys yesterday
I did this thing
Jeep right now
has a very bad
reputation for
the grand Cherokees
and saying hey it's
it's dangerous to park
this in your garage
it's the last thing
anormy wants to do
to this day
I wish
I had a new grand Cherokee
I bought my sequoia
and what I really wanted
was the new grand Cherokee L
and the only reason
I didn't buy the L
third row
okay the L does have
the third row
the only reason I didn't
buy the L
was because I was worried
that it was going to
consistently strand me
which I still think
is true
not a great thing
with a new car
the Kuntosh can be forgiven
but
my view is
I've come to the conclusion
that if it has four doors
it can't strand you
two doors can strand you
four doors
it's gotta be reliable
that's my rule now
interesting
in your life
or just in the world
just kind of in general
I think people in general
are willing to give
a bigger wider birth
to a two-door car
because you're making
a decision to be
impractical to begin with
but the day
you get a four-door car
you're looking
for practicality
and if that thing
strands you
you got a whole lot less
patience
for your four-door car
the E60 M5
has entered the chat
right
and honestly
I bet you there are a lot
of sports cars
that are just as unreliable
as that car
but it doesn't get as much
press because
that car
is supposed to be
transportation
whereas a two-door car
is supposed to be
enjoyment
and an experience
which sometimes
involves some
temperamental behavior
I don't disagree
with this take
now
four-door cars
only stranded me twice
but
every one of my
two-door cars
has stranded me
and none of my
four-door cars
have stranded me
it was eight years
at 80,000 miles
ago that it last
stranded me
but still
your point is
an interesting one
okay we got to keep going
through news
the other Stellantis
story is
intended to take
our minds off
the first one
and Jeep
might be having
a hard time
but Ram
is excited
they're ramen
these are dead
and the internal combustion
engine is thriving
they are introducing
two new SRT models
one of which
sadly will not have
the 10-celliner
but will be the revival
of the SRT-10 Ram
damn I was really
hoping it was going to have
the V10
it should
V10 are dead dude
they're not
they are dead
there is no way
you're ever going to
get a V10 past
regulatory ever again
there will never be
another V10
the hurricane is
gone
John Tamarian
that's a V8
really?
the tomorrow is a V8
yeah they got rid of the V10
it's over
you didn't know this?
how did John Tamarian
sign off on this?
for his namesake
vehicle
for God's sake
but if they take out
the V10
it's kind of an insult
to the man
regardless
the big part of this
new story that is
most appealing to me
is it is being reported
that both of these
new Ram SRT models
will debut in the next
90 days
this is like
happening
well I mean
just throw a hell cat
on it
a couple of cold ones
did you see also
there's going to be a
Ram SUV
not a Dodge SUV
a Ram brand
like a Ram Charger
style
that makes sense
SUV in 2028
that makes sense
that makes sense
I think a lot of
the Wagoneer clientele
would have bought a Ram
if it was available
if you know what I'm saying
let me rephrase
I think a lot of folks
on their way
to the pool hall
in Texas
driving their wagoneer
would have also had a Ram
you know what I'm saying
plus they kind of messed up
the Wagoneer name
so they kind of need like
a do-over
yeah and this will be that
it's like what did
Theranos rebrand as
like that's kind of
they need that
so obviously no
I don't think Theranos
I think Theranos just done
they're done
yeah there's a lot of
they're taking the year
off to find themselves
her husband is now
doing stuff
it's a whole thing
the other important
thing about this
is that the
SRT Ram
is going to be a street
truck
so the TRX
which is already
a high performance Ram
is an off roadster
it's going to be a street
truck
imagine pulling up
next to a Lobo
and just looking down
on them
being like
well you say that
we hope
what if they don't
do engine stuff
they've got to
you know I have a new
Ram at my house
right now
I don't know
if you want to check it
out later
but I have a brand new
Ram at my house
and all I did
was move it
it was the press car
people parked it
in one spot
and it needed to be
in another
and I simply tried to
reverse it
and I was like
oh my god
so embarrassing
all right give us
our next Ram SRT
very exciting
ah yes
look at the
Las Vegas Concours
the Las Vegas Concours
just happened
right before SEMA
your new story there
insane turnout
so there was
the largest
gathering of
of Veyrons
or bays for short
one sold
for a new record
a 16.4
for I want to say
2.04 million
but just crazy
every kind of Veyron
you can imagine
there was
my favorite the Reventon
Reventon
Reventon
Reventon yes
the
Reventon Oreos
every special Lamborghini
you can imagine
why didn't we go to this
Nick
how come we didn't know about it
because it was in Vegas
yeah
a lot of Vey's together
is pretty cool
I got to say
I still think the Vey
is one of the
all time coolest cars
ever manufactured
at any point
in the history of the
automotive
it's also amazing to me
this many were functional
and able to be there
and notoriously difficult
own and service and all these things
but
they're all there
what makes it so
the
when I was picking up
or dropping my Bentley
off two weeks ago
there was a Veyron out front
that my guy was working on
it was there
I know Ed Bolian
shipped his
Veyron out to Vegas
to get worked on
before going there
so it seemed like all
the owners
kind of knew
and were working
months in advance
you know what it's like
it's like a
Plymouth prouler
gathering that they do
yeah
is somewhere in Indiana
every year
really different
yeah
little things were a little
different
but it's sort of like that
you bring your prouler trailer
you bring your
Veyron
you know it does
almost look like
an error
like on a GTA server
one drawback of this
and one big reason
not to attend
was the Lamborghini
Veneno was there
which is of course
the ugliest carver made
no
it's
no
disagreed
the Veneno
you don't think
it's a
it's polarizing
I'll give you that
what's up Shredman
long swoopy
I kind of like the front
the red one is really
scroll down
there's some really bad photos
of it out in the world
you guys are crazy
dude it's so bad
and the wheels are
like laughable
I mean that one looks
a little too Dubai spec
it's like you're making fun
of your customers
no
it really looks like that to me
yeah it does
uh veneno unfortunately there
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okay what else
we got
we have one more
news story
hit it with us
hit us with it
hit it
oh the twingo
Nick what do you
think
if EVs are going to
succeed is something
like this could work
is just like a
commuter car
our basic get around town
the twingo
it's hard to really
overstate
the impact the
twingo had
I don't know
when it in
the early 90s
still go to Europe
and you still see
them everywhere
they are still
beloved in Europe
never really got
that much
love in the
United States
but they are still
beloved in Europe
Europeans still
talk about
their original
talk as sort of like
an EV city car
it would make sense for
Renault to bring back
the beloved twingo
of course it won't be
offered here I don't suspect
but
no we don't get that
French stuff
it's funny now that
I have a multiply everyone
sends me articles
about the
Oventine
and how it will be
legal in like a year
and all that
it is
but do you agree
pretty cool
should we move on to
talk car segment
for this topic
yes we can
move on to talk
car segment
is that the one
sponsored
I don't want to break anything
these are
oh no I'm going to
leg crap
why is it every time
we are sponsored
the talk car segment
the talk car segment is sponsored
by Piloti
who makes shoes
and I got to tell you
something
we got a lot of stuff
we say we don't say
I don't know
I don't know the rules
but someone gave me
a pair of these shoes
I think it was
Piloti themselves
and anyway
we did a drive this week
and I wore the shoes
and they are fantastic
I love them
they're really good
they're perfect size
on your feet
they have this roll control
heel
so you can swivel it
to make downshifting easier
did you find it
I mean because
I love the shoe
for your cars
it's hard to find shoes
that are narrow enough
to fit in most of the pedal boxes
a coontosh in particular
I haven't tried them
in the coontosh yet
although I don't really
consider that to be
a driver's car
where you'd wear a driver's shoe
but we took the
Carrera GT out
loved the shoe
absolutely loved the shoe
and it looks good
Nick
show us again
bring it out here
there you go
these ones
these are my dress pilotes
and then I have a
casual pilote
I got a picture
we stopped on our drive
and I did the Captain Morgan's
thing with my foot
on the top of the windshield
I was pretty proud of that
so
what was the crazy thing
I'm gonna be honest
I had never heard a pilote
until they started sponsoring
this podcast
I don't know if this is
one of those where we're like
oh we've been using them
for years
but either way
I hadn't heard of them
until they gave us some shoes
I tried them
and I thought they were
really really excellent
that's my actual
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but now we have to talk
about the talk cars segment
and specifically
let's just start
with the multipla
and like let's get it out
of the way
let's just get it out of the way
there's not a lot
to say there
and that's the
you borrowed it
I borrowed the multipla
my Carrera GT broke down
that's one of the other
topics
but when that happened
I borrowed the multipla
and
yeah that's the thing
with the A-class
and the A2
and the multipla
they all look really cool
but they're very pedestrian
normal boring
slow
when I brought up the A-class
within an hour of driving it
I realized I had made a mistake
namely that I dropped
$16,000 into it
because it was horribly boring
and when the A2 multipla
thing happened
I specifically told everybody
at carsandbids
I'm not doing it
I'm not putting up my money
I'm not storing it at my house
I want nothing to do with this car
they bought it anyway
you bought the multipla
and quickly we have all discovered
yeah
they wear out fast
they're not a very dynamic car
it's slow
I still find it very useful
and practical
like I use it as a
means to get from point A to point B
and it is nice that a lot of people
have fun reactions to it
at least the multipla
looks weird so that
gives you some enjoyment
of like hey I'm driving a literal clown car
yeah
but just driving it
it's a little boring
it's a little boring
and I think that's kind of the reality
and that's what I learned
with the A-class
and that's why I'll never do this again
is cool
the thing you don't want
and this was true of my RS2
you don't want a car that looks cool
but isn't really
interesting
you want a car that looks cool
and is cool
because if the looks
are the only cool thing about it
you know this is also some
relationship advice
I was just thinking that
I'm sure you were
if looks are the only thing
it's not enough
yep it's what's on the inside that counts
it's both
like I want a car that looks cool
and drives well
yeah brother
okay
I want a car that looks cool
and drives well
but like those little Euro hatchbacks
which we've all experienced
the big three
and the Alvin team
which you brought up
I suspect
it's going to fall into that category
don't you think
yeah
oh for sure
for sure
great greenhouse
a lot of glass
it's a
people transport it
like it's not built for a Friday night
the most powerful motor
was a three liter V6
with up to 210 horses
oh two
but remember it's minivan size
double mind
it's a minivan coupe
yeah
I just think like
people are going to bring this in
like we brought in our stuff
and they're going to be
oh this is so cool
and but like
deep down inside
they're going to know
I think it's like your
as cargo
it would be great to promote a business
because it attracts a lot of eyeballs
if you did like
pizza delivery or something
super fuel efficient
yeah
if you truly just needed
like a reliable point A to point B
it is a diesel
and it gets great fuel economy
there are use cases for it
but if you're like
hey I want to go for a nice drive
like
it's probably not the keys
like
you'd want to pick up
yeah there are use
use cases for it
and as a 13,000
car
okay that
changes it a little bit
like you have to compare it
to that price
you do
you will say
you're adding some complications
like parts finding
and that kind of thing
which you wouldn't have to
if you just bought a Sentra
yeah you know
and I just
I will not be importing an Aventine
I did this
I did the A-Class
we all got together
and did these
I'm out
you want to do an Aventine
you do it
I promise you it ain't worth it
there are worse uses
of 13 grand
like you could buy
an IPO of Selene
for 13 grand
and not get
there are worse uses
like driving around
in the in the multiply
it's like
it's kind of a fun
little point at a point B
yeah
it's just not
actually fun
right
so
well okay so
what's the deal
are you done with this
no well we're going to do
an adventure series
I'm told
that'll be fun
so we'll film that
but then it's over
I am actively
shopping for its
replacement already
sadly the R63
which we can say
for talk cars
somewhat
significantly exceeded
my budget
so I did not
that was an astonishing
pull that out
I wasn't able to
last week on the show
Nick went on this big thing
about how he wanted an R63
I know I hyped it
to match
yeah to match his
SLR
645
so we had this one on the site
it sold for
$64,500
which was
I mean short of
when they were brand new
and slightly depreciated
this was a record right
like the
yeah bring the trailer
hasn't had anything like this
bring the trailer number
nope
that's what we call it
I came up with that
we're sticking with it
so
645
don't we worry that the
R63 is kind of gone
well this one was
an outlier in that it was
low mileage
but that's what you would want
it's what you want
but I would say
there will be
gettable ones for less than this
because this is the nicest one
that's transacted
in a very long
but let's try to learn
a lesson here
let's try to learn
a lesson from the Bentley
right
let's try to get a nice one
there's
this is
it's not a one or zero
there's a whole
scale and spectrum here
so
I don't want
a zero
I don't need the 1.0
like
like I'm good with like a
0.4
to 0.6
where would you count the
Bentley on this scale
it was like a 0.2
and I think I've got
do it like a 0.5
I think you've got it
from a 0.2
to a 0.3
the problem is so
David Nutley who's
working on it now
worked on them new
and he said oh yeah
when they were
brand new in 2002
we had all sorts of issues
with it like
factory fresh
you know Nick
we knew this
everybody knew this
he's pissed
dude
I can't believe he's like
he's like surprised
go back and watch the
we're just rubbing it in
we deserve to rub it in
we get that benefit now
yeah cause you're like
oh it's not that bad
it's great I love this car
and now
here we are
it came home
to roost like this
so the multipla
I think might get
replaced I'm now a
Mercedes guy
we're Ben's boys
together
what do you mean we
I mean I got a G-wagon
Filippo's got an
E-class station wagon
I got an E-class station
wagon also
I'm leaving into the
historic now
I feel like that people
have always accused me
of being a Porsche guy
when I've had like
38 I can't stop
buying Mercedes Benz
and now look at us
we're a Mercedes Benz
group
we've all got
Mercedes Benz
yeah
so in our 63
feels to me like
like a good multiplier
like it
it has a third row
it's so it's very
practical it's got
a ton of power
I could maybe
manual swap this
cause I'm not sure
I'm going to do
the SLR manual swap
anymore so
what do you mean
you're not sure
you were never
I have wasted a
lot of time
of various shops
it's
I'm still
someone interested
I just don't
I don't hate the auto
as much
then I'm talking to
DC motor works at
bullions guys
about maybe doing a
TCU tune on the SLR
as sort of a
stopgap
let it be
no
okay
I wasn't
and then I we
mod things
alright
I want to talk about
the Grudge ET
which broke down
you got a TCU
tune don't you
do you
when you get to my level
of torque
you'll understand
you just kind of
point it on the straight line
you breathe on the
throttle and you let it go
I really need to
alright
I regret this
entire podcast
oh man
the dude
spent one tenth
of what you spent
and you can do this
forever
yeah
I mean it's
I remember
when the SLR
was around
and then
it was during the
SLR's run that
they came out with
the SL65
and I remember
as a kid thinking
like
the SL65
is now
it's got the same power
and it's a V12
it doesn't make any sense
and it makes even
a little less sense
now that the price differential
it used to be like this
and now it's like this
yeah
yeah like
that more like
but
it's about how
it is about how they drive
it's been a long time
since I've driven an SLR
but
they will be very different
I suspect
we'll say it
we'll do a comparison
you and I
it better be different
I'm gonna be real
he's afraid
I drove the SLR
together thing
despite what all the
internet nut swingers say
uh okay
swinging them
okay
I want to talk about
the Crergy T breakdown
Crergy T broke down
Crergy T broke down over the weekend
the Kuntash broke down
two weeks ago
and then
on a Saturday
and I missed a
child's birthday party
not my own
but a child
because I was
waiting for the toe
and dealing with all that
and then the Crergy T
broke down this week
and I guess
I'll do a video about it
I don't know
it's getting fixed right now
it's nothing major
I
instead of getting in depth
about what happened
I
will say
I am reminded about
why I was off cars
uh huh
yes
work
but the inconveniences
are minor
those cars have been
two
those cars have been
very solid in your ownership
here except for
these two little things
like it does
have their old cars
like it does happen
but here's the thing
but this is
what it will have
you'll give it a little bit of time
you'll come back to it
and be like
this is the greatest thing
the Crergy T
is the greatest car I've ever made
I truly believe that
especially because
I got to drive it back to back
with the SLR
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but
I am reminded about
you know
I am
you know kind of
an obsessive way
I like trying to
make sure I spend
every possible second
I can with my family
my children
and losing
I ended up being
three hours on one Saturday
and another three hours
on another Saturday
not really
what I'm looking for
and
it
haven't touched one of
the sports car since
the Countach is back
haven't driven it
4 GT's been just sitting
career GT when it comes back
will be sitting
maybe here
you think why this
this is why so many people
get all the cars
that they've always dreamed of
and then they just sit
and rot
they just can't be
inconvenienced
because when you have
a fleet of 20
it's even that much harder
it's every weekend
yeah and because
I think the cars do
break your heart
they do break down
they do this and that
and you don't want to be
a part of it
and so you're like
I want to have it
but I don't say
want to be around that
so I just park it
and then eventually
these collections
kind of thin out
and everybody's like
why is he selling his car
well because
he doesn't want to
he's old
he doesn't want to deal
with this BS anymore
it is funny because
like in order to
have the cars
you do have to be older
and age to
afford them usually
and that
the boys of was it
the clothes of the boy
don't fit the man
it would have been fun
you know
when you're 23
you like need a headache
like you just
in your life
you like need a headache
like you should go
buy a Facebook
marketplace
bad whatever
and like
bug ISTI
learn cars that way
yep
and break down a couple
times
and have to go on a
flatbed
or learn to fix it
or whatever
like that's how
I you know
that's how I did it
when I was that age
when you're 37
you know
I'd say
but I'm not
about these cars
I get that
that happens
and whatever
but twice in two weeks
was a tough
tough hit
and I
for years
it was been like
I'm off cars
I'm off cars
you guys made fun of me
and now I am reminded
why
it's not even about
these cars
it's why I don't
want to add more
because
another car
is another set
of tires to
keep track of
another battery
another oil change
an old Porsche and add that to your list of headaches.
I would say, you know, the ancient school of stoicism
would say to reframe every obstacle as an opportunity.
So every time the Bentley breaks down,
I say, great, free car storage.
And it sits on a mechanic for a couple of weeks.
I don't have to worry about where I'm gonna park it.
It is nice.
It can't break down again when it's already
at the mechanic so it doesn't get worse.
The sad part about that is the car
that I wish was out of my garage the most,
it would be the G-Wagon
because then I can bring the Kuntas down
because the Kuntas only fits above the G-Wagon essentially.
And, but the G is never broken.
So I never get to see the Kuntas.
It's always just up.
I see the outline of the bumper, it's just sad.
It's a shame we don't have a car wizard
or like Jay Leno's guy.
We just, we need our own mechanics.
That's-
That would be nice.
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I want to talk about,
speaking of the career GT breaking down,
the day after the career GT broke down,
I was completely off cars
and yet nonetheless I decided to attend a party
about cars.
Nick, take it away.
I hope we have photos of this party.
We do, including the cake
that my wife spent like a week obsessing
over every detail.
So my birthday was two weeks ago now
and then the car also came around that time
and so we decided to have an SLR party
but it was also a bit of a belated birthday party.
That's not how it was pitched to me.
But anyway, we called it an SLR party
but it felt indulgent just to celebrate the car.
So we called it both in my head.
But we had SLR trivia of which y'all did pretty well.
We had an SLR cake.
The SLR was parked prominently.
One of the trivia questions was
what's the top speed of the SLR?
And I raised my hand and guessed 208 miles an hour
and I was 12 is wrong.
Someone else raised his hand and guessed
207 miles an hour and that person was apparently correct.
Well, he said it was price is right rule.
Sorry, that was very clear up front.
We had been looking at it the previous day online.
I do think despite how degenerate this car group is,
having a party each time someone gets a new car
is kind of a fun little tradition.
I'm not doing that.
Yeah, there's too many cars.
We can scale it up.
Like if you get a multiply
we're all gonna meet it in an outburger.
And if you get like a nice car
we can go to like Ruth's Chris or something.
You know, one thing, we did the SLR party.
Everyone came.
It was the talk of San Diego County.
It was.
We all drove to Nick's cul-de-sac
and we filled it up with cars.
We filled it up with,
it was hard to dodge all the driveways,
but we filled it up with cars, all of us did.
And I brought the second most powerful Mercedes-Benz,
my E450 all-terrain.
Yes, I did not bring my Mercedes-Benz.
So I didn't have the title of the most powerful.
I took my M5 instead.
I had other things that was there.
The children came.
There were kids crafts for some reason.
It was a highlight of the year.
Like I, all of my friends and their families together
are celebrating the SLR.
I mean, you can't.
I will say, I was walking out of the party
and I realized I hadn't actually seen the SLR
at any point during the party.
Nope, it was in, you know, the garage.
It was a backyard party in the, right.
Yeah, very, very sweet party
brought to us by Nick's wife
who I don't think we're allowed to name,
but whoever she is.
She, she watches the pot.
She watches the pot.
It's really fun.
And like, it's really easy to go into the trope
of like making fun of your wife
or people that don't get the car hobby.
But like, it was like above anything,
like her gesture of I'm throwing you a party.
Like I'm that supportive of your car hobby
and the fact that you are a degenerate.
That is so true.
It was sweet.
So many of these guys I meet,
my wife would never let me.
The old ball and chain.
The old ball and chain and boomer humor, you know.
But Nick over here, not only does his wife support it,
she threw him a party with a cake
that I'm sure we've shown.
She actually loves the SLR too
because it's more usable than the Mercy
and we got like a functioning roof
and the heat works better.
Like the quality she looks for in a car,
the SLR does have to be slightly better than the Mercy.
All I need left on her is to get her to yell,
fire in the hole every time I go through a tunnel.
Ah, okay.
She's a patient woman.
We gotta move on to the market report
which is brought to you.
It's supposed to be brought to you by Cars and Bids
but the market report is actually brought to you
by the 993 Twin Turbo,
a USA 993 Twin Turbo in arena red.
Folks, stop sending me euros.
Stop sending me,
someone the other day sent me one that was Bones Stock
and the picture's up.
Did it have an aftermarket headlight solution?
It's, if you're in, if you think like Nick,
like how Nick would have thought of Bones Stock
back in the day when he modded that to TRS.
But it's only wheels and exhausts
a low lighted aftermarket shift.
Bones Stock.
Different steering wheel, seat, race point.
This is how the Supra community is.
I wanna mark Ford Turbo also.
And I look at the Supra community and people like Bones Stock
and you look at the list of mods on a Bones Stock car.
But relative to what some people do in the community,
that is Bones Stock, you know?
That's like how it's viewed.
It's like how my Mormon friends and colleagues
drink bang energy drinks because they can't have coffee.
You know, it's like, okay, it's a loophole.
I don't think that that's, I don't think that's,
that's not the point we're making here at all.
The OEM plus mods don't count as mods.
It's the same, it's like bang energy drink to your coffee.
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Okay, the first thing I wanna talk about,
we already discussed the R63.
Can we talk about the Aztec?
Pull up the Aztec.
Oh yeah, this is on my list too.
I almost featured this, I probably should.
Now we're talking about a new feature now.
Folks, there is an Aztec on the site.
Aztec is a meme car, we know it's a meme car.
There is an Aztec on the site.
How many miles, five?
Yeah, it's got 50, 201 owner miles.
52, the Aztec is a meme car,
but if you ever wanted to spend a lot of money
on a meme car.
Speaking of the multiplayer experience, here you go.
This is unbelievable.
It's so nice.
And I know you probably prefer the body cladding ones.
I strongly prefer the paint matched.
To be clear, the paint matched ones were way more attractive.
But part of the fun of the Aztec is it's handiness.
And the cladding, which O1 was O1 only, the cladding.
The cladding ones fit the profile more.
I've always wanted one of these after the car bros,
which I can't find anymore,
but he brought a fake Enzo to the quail.
I wanted it to do this and make it a Urus.
So put the Lambo wheels and Lambo badges,
but the yellow, especially the paint matched lowers.
Yep, really looks like an Urus.
It looks a lot like an Urus.
No matter what people, I love the Urus.
Yeah, well, it's a Pontiac Aztec, so do what you want.
With the right wheels and like some vinyl wrap.
If you were willing to spend money on some good reps,
you could like get close.
Go back to the Aztec.
Wouldn't that be incredible?
I want to see the interior of this Aztec.
If you thoroughly looked at this listing.
Not on the inside.
The interior is wild.
I've spent some time in Aztecs over the years.
I'm sure.
And no GM interior aged this well.
They've even got the cooler,
which by the way is my actual beach cooler
that I use to this day on the Aztec.
They've got it in the car.
Doug is the kind of guy.
I can't believe how nice this is.
I don't know if there's anyone really willing to.
Oh wait, go back to the cooler.
What is this?
I think that's just the protection
that they put on top of it.
I don't have that on mine.
Well, you don't care as much about it as I do.
Nobody is willing to spend this kind of money
on a meme car, but God, if you were ever gonna,
this is the best, I feel comfortable in saying
this is the nicest Aztec in the world.
It's gotta be.
It isn't like one of those,
like there's a billion Camrys,
so there's probably one nicer.
They only made a few of these.
Nobody saved them.
Yeah.
Do you think the Lane Motor Museum
is gonna bid on this one?
Because they should.
It belongs in a museum.
No, the place in Tacoma.
Le Me.
Le Me.
Okay, Kenan, tell us about the 512 TR.
Yes, so we recently, I love the 512 TR.
These cars have been on a run recently.
I think people are realizing how much nicer
that they are than the Standard Tester.
But this further underscores that point.
This car had a ton of miles on it.
We talked about it briefly last week.
I believe 74,400 miles, and it sold for 195.
Feels like a big number for a car with that kind of miles.
It's also a Euro, which they're just worth less
than the US cars generally speaking,
because you can't register in California,
all those things, but nonetheless,
I mean, this car sold for serious money.
As a person who's been talking up Kuntash
and talking down Testerosa for many years,
it has been interesting for me
to watch the 512 TR and the 512 M
completely break away from the Testerosa.
The market does not view this car
as relevant to the Testerosa market.
It isn't.
They're very dramatically different cars
that drives so much better.
And you know, I drove one a while ago.
It's different.
It's better.
I don't know that it's 3X different, but...
Also, don't forget,
like, we'd start to talk about production numbers.
Like the Testerosa, they made a ton of 512 TRs.
It also looks way better.
Way better.
Including the 512 M, which looks the best.
Whoo-hoo.
Well, there's an incorrect take.
But the 512, I was talking to our friend Edison today about,
the 512 M is a perfect example
of what a company does when they have no clue what to do.
They like, they could not move on to the next thing yet.
Like the 550 and they just were like,
one last thing, so they just threw the book at it.
That's what happens when you crowdsource styling.
You end up with an F512 TR.
A great list of cars would be cars
that got facelifted at the very end
of their production run in order to fit them in
with the rest of the model line.
And so there was only like a year or two of the facelift.
And the F512 M is one, the 0304 disco,
the Land Rover Discovery.
They facelifted at the very end to match the Range Rover,
even though it was the very end.
Yeah, I mean, the smile on the front end and the wheels.
Still the greatest OE wheels of all time.
They are good looking.
The elements of the car that are cool,
but in its totality, good.
Regardless, great 512 TR number and further proof
that the market really believes the 512 TR
is a very special car.
The Testerosa is a desirable car.
It's cool, but it's never really blown up in value ever.
And I don't know that it ever will.
This is.
Maybe, may I also posit that it's further proof
that driving your cars isn't as expensive
in terms of the hit you'll take on resale
as you might think.
True, the expense comes when the Porsche dealer calls
and says that you need a new starter motor
and it's gonna be seven grand.
Right.
That's the expense.
The world of engine out Ferrari service seven grand
is a layup.
Yeah, that's exactly right.
I wonder how many engine outs this car's had.
I've really thought about that
and you have to imagine it's at least 15.
If it's done correctly, it's probably a.
In Europe though, they do it less.
That's like a thing on Ferrari chat.
Like the Europeans like do it less
and don't even think it has to be done as much
and drive the cars more.
This is a Euro.
I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been out 15 times,
but it's been out.
It's been out probably 10.
I would not be surprised.
Yeah, I mean, how old's the car?
It's 92.
93 and 74,000 miles.
It's just supposed to do every 5,000 miles.
So yeah, if it's unproper, it should be around that number.
Yeah.
I bet it's been out.
I wonder if they had to replace the hardware
because they wore out from how many times
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I want to talk about Edison's Boxster.
We got a 96, it's not live yet,
but it'll be live when this goes up.
We got a 96 Boxster SLive right now, great car.
That particular car is a 986 Boxster.
It is a used car that has a couple of foibles.
But you know, I was driving that car
and I was just reminded by what a great value
these cars are.
They are, yeah, I'm still not opposed to the idea
of having one at some point
just to like mess around with for a little bit.
It's a toss around car.
And I actually kind of, the S's are great.
And the one that I reviewed is gonna sell well,
but the base for eight grand.
I mean, you know, you could really just kind of toss
around that car to the point where you destroy it
and the parts will probably get you back the money.
You know, you can just really beat on this thing
and rag on it.
And they were kind of designed for that.
I just find these cars to be tremendously fun
for the money, really, really fun cars.
I agree.
I think in a lot of, I mean,
any Miata's have come back down in value,
but for a time, like these were less expensive
than any Miata's.
And you're driving around in a Porsche.
It's a boxer, but still like it's nice.
If you got 10 and you end up with a Z4, a Z3,
instead of this, you're making a mistake.
If you're young and you want to not,
if you want to be like what Doug said,
buy an interesting sports car while you're young.
And have a headache.
And have a headache.
Well, I don't really even think that bad of them.
No, but you'll learn how to work on a car
and what cars things cost
and all that stuff will break.
It's a German car.
You're gonna learn,
but this is a good place to start.
Totally.
Look at that.
That one looks so good.
There's a lot of them.
And there's some cool specs.
That does look nice.
We saw the yellow one recently.
I really think it, not that one, but...
I'm over the Euro side marker.
I agree.
Keep it on.
Save the DOT.
I'm over it.
I'm over it.
Save the, oh, red.
I think it looks nice.
Look at my Euro side marker.
Okay, we gotta move on to questions, questions,
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The questions were great this week.
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and we will read your question on the air if it's good.
A lot of good ones this week.
Starting with some aimed at Kennan Liberty asks,
in the first episode of 25,
Kennan made the New Year's resolution
to spend no more than $2,000 on his E39M5.
At the end of April,
we got an update where he said
he had spent $837 on the M5.
In that episode, Kennan also states
that his resolution was to spend no more than $2,500.
So we snuck in an extra 500.
It sounds like Emily has a new screen now.
Since then we've had no update.
Kennan, it's November.
How much have you spent on the E39 and 25?
So far, I think at 1347.
What was the other thing beyond the 837?
I did an oil change.
It went back up for a,
I have this weird issue with the AC where it like,
when it's on it makes this like whirring sound,
but we can't forget what it is.
We replaced the belts and tensioners a couple of times
and still getting it
and I've done the compressor in the past like recently.
So it's not that.
So we're still trying to figure that out.
I did a couple of little minor things.
I bought bushings for the power steering reservoir.
A couple of little things.
I mean, really little things,
but generally speaking,
car has been rock solid,
has not needed anything as I predicted.
I'm confident that's not gonna happen.
Don't tell Joseph Smith this,
but his bang energy drink
is that he got a gift card for service
from all of his friends for his birthday.
And he used that gift card.
So that was another $800 you got to add.
Is that true?
It's true.
You and I both took in for this gift card.
Oh my God, that's so right for the tin and windows.
It was like a zillion dollars
and I had to spend like most of it.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I match you dollar for dollar,
but thank you.
Oh, hell yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
The rest of them, the rest of them cheaped out.
Admittedly, I did use that,
but then I also then spent more money with Kevin.
So like-
Wait a minute.
So what was the Kevin money?
Add that in.
Yeah.
It was all, I don't remember what it was.
We need a real update.
I'll tally it.
Come back next week with an update.
You don't have to include the gift card
because I have a suspicion you wouldn't have done that
if we hadn't given you the gift card right away.
Correct.
So that doesn't really count.
I'm not even gonna mention the Joseph Smith reference.
We're gonna move on.
You like that?
You like that?
Yeah, but there are gonna be some angry people
in Utah and Nevada.
I'll come with an update,
but I honestly feel like I'm right there.
I'm doing well so far.
That happens right up until your starter motor fails.
Luckily I replaced that already.
Hit me with no one.
What do you think?
That happens right up until your distributor fails.
It doesn't have a-
You get my point.
You get the point I'm making.
I thought I was okay.
I'll tell you this,
I have a New Year's resolution.
It's still 25, I get a New Year's resolution.
None of my big three get into the shop in 26.
None.
In all of 26.
The Kuntosh, the 4GT and the Creer GT.
None of them go to the shop in 26.
You put money on that?
No, absolutely not.
But that's my goal.
That's my dream.
It's good to have a goal.
The Creer GT and the Kuntosh
will have just had a big service at the end of 25.
I'm gonna stretch them until 26.
And the 4GT, I have a goal
that it doesn't go back in the shop until next fall.
Two years from now.
Unlikely.
Unlikely.
The 4GT will be-
The 4GT did two years between the last service.
It is, it does-
You're gonna get smog next year?
For the 4GT and the Creer GT need smog next year.
But-
4GT's going back to the shop.
Well, no, the shop doesn't need to smog the 4GT.
What do you mean?
We just smog it.
It's a complete-
I mean, I don't know, some of us drive OE cars,
some have modded cars.
Maybe you have some mods that need to be removed.
The smog shop doesn't count.
The smog shop doesn't count.
My car passed smog, not a single-
Both my cars passed smog, no problem.
Okay, next question.
This is a good one from AJNickel6.
Go to the CarPod questions.
AutoNation illustration on Instagram.
You saw this?
Yeah, they were cool.
Scroll down.
Some stickers for the crew.
Oh, yes, yes, yes.
These.
Which one is your favorite?
I love that one.
That is, that is-
Did you see these?
I did, yes.
You tagged me on Instagram.
Wow, that's a great-
They're all surprisingly good Filippo.
It is a surprisingly good Filippo.
That, I mean, the crazy thing that does capture you
with the SLR shirt and everything.
Although that one's a coupe, not a convertible.
Oh, yeah.
And-
Yeah, that one, that's it.
That's your car.
Oh, wow, I have a blue check.
Yeah, I know.
A blue check.
Yeah, he did give you that.
Blue checks are expensive.
You look into that stuff?
No.
Have you got a fray for it?
It's like it's not cheap.
These are great.
But it's asking, which is your favorite?
I think Filippo.
The Filippo really captures the essence of Filippo.
Right, he's doing happy.
That's true.
I've never seen him happy.
About related to cars, he cannot be that happy.
Yeah, I think they captured-
A bicycle?
Yes.
Plus, he would never open his arms like that
and with a smile.
It's too like-
He'd have a phone in one hand
and Slack would be on it and he'd be checking.
Like your clothes, really, really close.
Yeah.
That one's good.
I am that happy every time I'm around that car.
Oh, enough.
Oh, how sweet.
I love that car.
But the crazy, I can't believe he tried to slip
that Kevin service under our noses.
Well, I agree with you.
I don't think that counts.
Like, well, I wouldn't know.
I would just wait until next year.
I'm calling Kevin right at the end of this podcast.
Okay, next question from Imperial South Ham.
This is a great question
and I'm curious to get your guys' takes,
but I have the answer sort of.
Question for Doug.
What cars offer a similar X Factor and Rawness
like your Countach for people who don't have Countach money?
Oh, this.
Let's assume a budget of 30 grand.
I want to love a car like you love your Countach.
I don't know about 30 grand,
but I will tell you a car that I think provides
the exact same level of Rawness and excitement
is a Lotus Esprit.
I think-
This is not what I expected.
I think that this car with the V8,
now there was a time when they were 30 grand
and it wasn't that long ago,
but they've gotten expensive
and the V8 twin turbos,
which is specifically what I'm talking about,
are now maybe 60 to 80.
I nonetheless feel that this car is one of the great bargains
in the automotive world today.
It is, it still has the wedge.
It is still wide and low and flat.
The sound is immense behind you.
It is incredibly analog, incredibly raw,
even though it was made through like 2003
and it is just so damn cool.
And it's expensive.
I'm gonna be clear,
but it's not Countach expensive.
No, it's not crazy.
And of course, I mean,
it will be expensive to take care of, of course,
but like that is a-
Probably, but so is the Countach.
But exoticness to dollar ratio is very high.
And I still feel that way about the Esprit.
I reviewed an Esprit right when we launched cars
and bids that sold on the site
probably four or five years ago.
And it was that one.
It was that dark red one there for 70,500.
And in that video, I made the point
that these are kind of bargains for what they are.
And they've gotten more expensive since then.
I still feel like they're complete bargains
for what they are.
This car, when you see one of these on the road,
pictures don't really even do it justice.
You have to see how low and wide and flat it is.
It looks like a Countach.
It is a serious car.
It is eye-catching.
I don't even recall the last time I saw one on the road.
But when I see that V8 badge,
that highly stylized V8.
And I'll tell you, if you ever driven one-
No, no.
It is raucous.
The interior is raucous.
It is loud and it's like the Countach.
Even though actually it's a lot newer,
honestly, it's probably easier to own.
But it has its own challenges.
But it is fun.
It is loud and fast and cool.
I would pause it when I think of the alternative
to the Countach, the Pantera is the one that comes to mind.
Granted, these cars also, again,
like you said, not in the $30,000 range,
but they are crazy, crazily styled.
The rear of the car is just so cool.
It's from the similar era as the early Countach.
There's a lot of compromise in terms of the interior,
much like a Countach.
It's not as nice drive as the Countach,
but you get a lot of that crazy vintage exotic.
When we had this Pantera in the office
and I was pretty impressed with just how exotic
and cool it looks, so many people have modded
and screwed up Panterras over the years.
A really clean, just like nice, simple Pantera
is a nice, nice-looking wedge car
that does kind of give you the Countach,
like ideal to it.
I agree.
And even Pantera themselves kind of screwed up
the design with the latest of the GT5.
The GT5.
I will say.
I think it's still kind of cool.
One thing that is missing from this car
that isn't from the Esprit,
it doesn't have the loud,
like, kind of rawness to it driving it.
The motor is a little bit smoother than I was expecting.
You put us some headers on that.
You go to SEMA, get some headers,
I'll bet you you can.
Yeah, probably.
But you get my point.
This car is honestly probably a better engineer.
It was a 4G.
I expected both of you to say Gen 1 Viper.
Yeah.
Yeah, Gen 1 Viper.
Rawness, loud, raw, N35-ish.
That's the obvious.
It's too obvious.
The other ones I was gonna throw out
a Shelby Cobra replica from the 60s
is very raw, has that X-Factor, is dangerous, et cetera.
I was also gonna throw out,
if you wanted something a little bit more modern
and a little less attention getting a WS6
or a Termi Cobra for about 30.
Termi Cobra.
Gets you a ton of power and presence
and enjoyment factor.
Yeah, I guess, I think, yeah.
And if you just want something
to blow everyone's minds when they see it,
Plymouth Prowler.
Yeah, that's not wrong.
You lose the driving experience.
To me, part of the beauty of the Kuntash experience
is the low slung, is the exoticness of it.
And that's why I say Esprit.
But yours provide, especially the Viper,
provides sort of the rawness, the emotion of it.
And I do think that that would be a car
that someone could fall in love with
if they have an open mind.
Yep, I still want one.
I still want one at some point.
Okay, next question from Parthee Smarty.
Did Nick actually money shift the TTRS
or is this just an inside joke?
Folks, we don't joke about money shift.
We don't joke about money shift.
I'm gonna tell you the story
because he's gonna tell you the wrong story.
I'm gonna tell you the real story.
When I met Nick, he had a TTRS.
And this was during Nick's modding cars days.
He was a young man, pre-kids,
and he would mod cars.
When I met Nick, the TTRS had gold wheels,
it was dropped, it was all this.
And we were talking and he kind of explained to me
that a year or so before I met him,
he had sent the engine out to get built
because that's what you do.
You gotta get built.
And one day, after the car came back
and the engine got built,
he was driving to work
and he was getting on and on ramp
and he launched it and he accidentally went
from fourth to second and meant to hit third.
Well, I don't know what it was.
I don't know the exact gearing
and I don't think he does.
And a money shift to the car blew the motor.
And after that, he drove around in a Camry with no title.
The only part of that story that's true
is the very end of it.
There was a title somewhere, it just had been lost
and Florida requires you to go in-person
to get a duplicate made.
Of course, he's drove around a Florida plate Camry
with no title after he blows up his motor.
It's a story as old as time in the modding community.
A good friend of mine who is active military
and so therefore you don't have to change the plates
if you are enlisted.
And so that was the loophole, much like bang energy drinks.
I'm glad that you have stepped in
to correct that part of the story.
The rest of it is accurate.
Okay, next question.
The engine was rebuilt because of the motor blowing
not before because it was sleeved
much like your Kuntosh to strengthen it.
Was it sleeved after the money shift?
Yes, that's how they fixed the fact
that the piston rings melted and internal.
So you did money shift it?
I did not money shift it.
I was driving it normally.
Driving it normally and all of a sudden?
You know, the engine's gotta be built.
It was never money shifted.
He was driving normally in the sense
that he went to third and got first.
People did that in those TTRSs.
They got money shifted.
Great car.
I agree it's a great car.
It's an underrated car.
It is now in West Virginia, right?
As far as I know, unless it's sold since then.
We gotta have been that, then look up that.
Okay.
But it's an inside joke.
I would like to claim the story.
It is not true.
Money shift in a TTRS.
You were not there.
Oh, let me tell you.
I'm gonna give you listeners out there
who may not have as much experience
in the automotive world as I.
When someone tells you that they were driving a car
in some anger and the engine just blew.
This is not an old car.
This is a five year old car at the time, right?
And it's got a manual transmission.
They money shift it.
They don't wanna tell you they money shift, huh?
That old cast register over here,
money shifted from that TTRS.
No such thing.
We will move on.
Money shifted to TTRS.
Okay, next question from Tennis Pro 6060.
Doug, please explain why automakers
are still using 12 volt power outlets.
Why, why, why?
It's because people still have accessories
that use those things.
And there will be people who,
including me, believe it or not,
in my Sequoia I actually,
I found a 12 volt that charges the phone like instantly
and I'm like married to it.
I think it's still better than the in-car plugs
because they're just not as quick to charge.
And so believe it or not,
I still use a 12 volt myself in that car.
I'm like that with USB-A, USB-A.
I'm not, I'm not down with the C.
Don't force it on me.
Like I'm good.
What, what?
You prefer USB-A to C?
Cause I got all the A's.
I got tons of the A's.
A lot of the outlets got A's and I'm not ready.
Okay, well, that's another example of this.
Yes.
However, my suggestion is that this will go away.
Just like cassette players.
Like for years and years,
automakers had cassette players in cars
even long past when we all were actually using them,
but some people were still using them.
And that's true of the 12 volt.
And I think the 12 volt sticks around
for more longer than you think
because there are still people
who are not willing to give up their stuff.
Now as more and more cars are starting
to integrate household outlets,
which is becoming a thing I'm seeing on at least one
out of every two cars I'm reviewing.
I think that will eventually kill the 12 volt outlet,
but it'll be still a few more years.
Okay, next question from Luke Rinoffs.
The older generation always says to pay for cars in cash.
Newer would say do a little down as possible,
invest what you could have spent
and make up for depreciation.
Do you see pros to cons to either boy?
I made a video about this years ago
and man, there are some real people
who are just cash only.
Here's the deal.
If you can get a sufficiently low interest rate on a loan
and you use it to buy a car that you,
these are the two caveats
in which I think you should finance a car.
You get a low interest rate
and you use it to buy a car
that you could have otherwise afforded.
So you're not using your financing
to stretch into some Rolls Royce type thing.
You go to the dealer, you could get a Honda,
but instead they're offering 1%.
And so you take them up on that
and you finance that car, okay?
Smart money, smart consumers,
smart finance people will do that always.
There are a lot of people out there
who just don't want a car payment.
I get that.
It is not the financially smartest thing to do.
You will not end up on top.
If you take the money that you would have spent
on the rest of the car
and invest that money over time,
you will come out ahead.
You may not come out ahead that year
or even with that car,
but if you do this throughout your life
and get 2% interest on every car
and invest the rest,
you will come out way ahead.
In the end, you probably have an extra car and cash
because of all the money
that you didn't tie up in cars.
And so that's what you should do.
And I cannot wait for the comments to tear me apart
and say that buying cash is the only way to do it
because that's what Dave Ramsey says.
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I've got a couple.
One, the average new price of a car I'm told
is $51,500.
So buying cash isn't an option.
Now you could buy used, however with the used,
you do run a risk that the car blows up
the day you get it back, right?
So like when people are leasing a car, right?
Often the advice is don't put a ton down
because if you crash it or what have you,
you're never getting that back.
That's good advice for a lease.
So it could maybe go with sketchy purchases
in which you get scammed or something
that like, hey, if you finance it,
then maybe there's not.
I mean, I do think that there's a middle ground
between the type of used car
that will blow up the day you buy it
There's a lot of used cars in there
that you could still finance,
still get decent interest rates on
that are not going to blow up the day you buy it.
Like a two-year-old accord is a pretty good,
that's probably a pretty good buy.
You got nothing else?
That's all there was your take?
I don't, I guess since we're on the topic
of religions, a lot of my Muslim friends
are not big on debt.
So to your point, there may be people
where just-
That's true, there's some people
and there's some people who just personally
just don't want to have debt and I get it,
but the smart money is if you can get
a low enough interest rate
and you're not stretching to afford the car.
I've made this caveat already twice.
I'm making it a third time.
Those are the two really important points here
because in today's environment,
when interest rates are 6%, you don't want to do this.
It is a bigger cost.
You don't necessarily want to do this
or you want to finance less of the car.
Nonetheless, I will say,
one of the things I'm really sick of
with the personal finance crowd
is people who are bragging about
how old their car is
and how long they keep their car running.
You do not understand the safety benefits
of getting in more modern car
than your 1986 Honda Accord.
And there are so many people out there
who like, I still drive the same 1993 Honda Accord
that I bought new as a point of pride.
And I don't find it prideful.
I think it's dangerous at this point.
I'm not saying you need to go buy a brand new Volvo,
but like a three-year-old Honda Accord
is not that crazy of a spend
and it really will change your life
if you get into a serious accident.
And I guarantee there are people
who have gone to the grave proud
of their 1993 Honda Accord
for the personal finance reasons.
Kenan, how'd you buy the SL65?
You take out a giant loan?
Nah, pay cash.
But still like the thing with it is like,
yeah, I think it depends on everybody's
individual situation, your level of comfort with that.
But I think you can be smart about it.
Just, it really depends on the car,
how you're going to use it.
I do definitely agree with you
about the safety thing for people
who are doing big commutes in older cars.
I drive an older car every day.
My commute's not that far.
And so I'm at a lower level of risk.
And the E39 is a very safe car.
That's a pretty safe car too.
So I'm less worried about it.
But yeah, I think that year in particular,
that's people who drive stuff from the 90s every day.
It is a little bit, it can be a little bit dicey.
And by the way,
Especially if you have children.
Car like yours, you can't finance it
the lowest interest rate level
that I'm talking about anyway.
But you also won't have to deal with depreciation.
So really, you're tying up the money,
but it's not as big of a deal.
And do you?
And the market's also pretty defined on cars like those.
Like I could, if I know what an SL65 is worth,
I could sell it probably for exactly the same amount
if I needed to, whatever.
What gets really interesting on new cars
is the manufacturers will buy down the interest.
So you think you're getting like a zero or 1%,
but they're kind of baking that
into the purchase price also.
Like that could have been potentially
what you negotiated off in cash.
Which makes this even murkier.
It's like, okay, am I really getting 2%
or am I just paying an extra five grand on the car
which they're buying down at least from 60 cents?
That's true and it's difficult.
A lot of unsophisticated people
even sophisticated ones have a hard time understanding that.
The real benefit is to try to get a really low rate
and negotiate the hell out of the price on the car,
which especially in today's environment,
a lot of cars, you can do that.
I did jumble on on the slur.
What?
The SLR.
I know what that is.
To use that bullying term, I financed it.
I didn't finance it, I financed it.
Okay, next question from Palaco.
Last question, Doug, you claim to listen
to more music than almost everyone.
I rarely get personal questions on the pod
and I appreciate this one.
This year is wrapping up.
What have you in the group been listening to in 25?
Oh, we gotta hear your Spotify top hits already.
I listen to more music than anyone.
All right, I have in a top 99.9% Spotify user
for the years now.
When Spotify rap shows up,
which will be in three, four weeks here,
I'll post it again.
And I will have been, again, a top user.
Actually, I'm not sure that I will this year
because I don't drive as much.
But my very favorite band is a band
from Austin called Night Traveler
and you should go listen to them.
Nick, give us your musical tastes.
I don't listen to a lot of music.
It's still the driver's era of music.
So late 90s, early 2000s.
Mostly he left everything on the field in 2004.
Really?
No effects, Pennywise, bands like that.
No use for a name, face to face.
Some 41, I've been into a lot.
Lag Wagon.
Really?
Do you drive around listening to some 41?
Yeah, they're good.
I mean, I'll sort of like that 90s punk sort of vibe.
I will go into hip hop,
that like a tribe called Quest
and things of that effect.
The last time.
That era.
I was in the car with Ken and he had jazz playing.
Steely Dan.
I do also love Steely Dan.
There are a couple of more modern bands.
Floor you introduced me to.
I absolutely love Floor.
I think I still buy a lot of music.
I've bought everything they've ever done.
And I listened, like when I run,
they're my favorite bands to listen to.
I love Floor.
Adam Dodson is another artist I discovered recently.
Formula One featured him,
like Charles Leclerc driving around the track
and it was like, it's very peaceful music.
I listen to all that too.
But jazz, I'm a modal jazz person,
so I'm a big cold train head
and I listened to a lot of stuff like that.
Have you heard the new Taylor Swift album?
No.
I haven't listened to it, but I have to.
It's so catchy.
Taylor's the best.
We all love Taylor.
To this day, I sing all too well,
the 10 minute version, loudly in the car when I'm driving.
Have you gotten into that one yet?
The 10 minute version of...
All too well.
Oh.
And he's...
Did he sing it for us?
Just hum it.
Photo album on the counter.
Yes, he's turning red.
You know, I'm not embarrassed.
Okay, we gotta move on.
I think we can do one more,
one more question if there is one more question.
Yeah, last one.
CX-9er, what was the worst downgrade
from a particular model from one generation to the next?
For example, E39 to E60 or C2 to C3?
Those are it.
C2 to C3 is tough.
That's a bad one.
That was it.
How about any two NSX to the...
E38 to E65 was worse than E39 to E60.
That's a great one.
E05 NSX to the new NSX is pretty...
Although I liked the new NSX, but the E05 was God.
Well, and there also was, you know, 15 years gap there.
If you talk about a third gen NSX,
that's what you're talking about.
No, let's see.
Old Defender to new.
Thought about that.
Trying to think.
I wanted to do an exotic car, but...
S4, how about when they went from the V8 to the Super 6?
Yeah, I stuck the other one.
I don't mind that guy.
I had to support if it was fun.
C63 is a tough one,
the twin-term of V8 to the new.
C63 is one of the great mess-ups.
What about 993 to 996?
Yeah, I mean, I don't agree with that.
I love the 996, but a lot of Porsche people
would probably support that.
To be honest, I think that the 993 to 996 transition
was an improvement from a driving perspective.
The 996...
I still look at 996 turbos a lot.
It just, there's phenomenal values.
I like how they look.
I'm with you.
I think the 993 is so cool and so analog, whatever,
but like the 996 was faster.
It's tighter.
It's more stable.
It handles better.
Like it has all these benefits,
but the interior is worse
and nobody likes how it looks.
And of course, you lose.
They are cold.
And so there's a lot of that stuff.
I think now it has more of a charm.
There's a subsect of die-hard fans
who like the way the 996 looks.
So it really is the only 911
that looks really different,
I think, to the other ones.
Like the 993 does look different
than the 996-4 and the G-Buy before that,
but the 996 is a dramatic departure.
And then the 997 looks more contemporary.
I mean, the market also,
it's not just the market.
The market is pretty clear.
993 turbos are like 250
and 996 turbos are like 60.
But nonetheless, I think the 996 is underrated.
Anyway, what are other cars that really they messed up?
How about the SL facelift?
The one, the one?
The R2, yeah.
The R2 30.3, yeah.
The R09, that was tough.
That was a bad, yeah.
But that wasn't as bad as the stuff we're talking about.
Sticking with the C63.
I think that's probably the one to me.
That and the C2.
C2 to C3.
I can't think of any other bad ones.
Can you?
Any other really?
I was trying to figure out what came before
the 612 Scagglieri and Ferrari,
hoping it was the 550.
It was the 456.
It was the 456.
So that's not that bad.
Ferrari in that four-seater realm.
That lineage just sucked.
It has always kind of sucked,
but it has always gotten a little better.
The old four-seater stuff was bad
and the 400 wasn't exactly great,
but then it got a little better,
the 456 and the 612 and the FF.
Yeah, all those are progressively better cars,
definitely.
Now that I learned that John Temerri
and Lamborghini has a V8 and not a V10,
the Huracan, the Temerrian is a little tough.
Not the worst.
We were there for the launch at Quill.
We saw it.
They told us this.
They were listening to the motor size.
Yeah, that's what you listened to.
Hey, how about for you when the Explorer went
from a body on frame with a V8
down to a little unibody six-four cylinder turbo thing?
Nah.
I love the new Explorer.
I think it's great.
Those are our answers.
E3 1865 might actually be the worst one.
Yeah, that was a,
I remember hearing that in 01
is that the theory was being discontinued
was one of the best sales years for the car
because everybody saw the new one.
Although 02 was up.
Sales increased for the E65,
but I think time has proven that to be a bad redesign
more than anything else.
Like the 01 is still beloved and an 02 E65,
that Aztec and those are the same level of common.
I mean, serious, like there are no original E65s.
Everyone you see is a facelift
and even then you're not seeing them that much anymore.
No, that's true.
You don't get up behind the other day
and I thought to myself,
this is actually leaving the SLR party.
I thought to myself, this is the last time
I ever gonna see one of these randomly on the street
an 11 335 D.
Wow. Yeah, you don't really see those.
Those are great cars.
They're cool.
Torque.
Torque.
They were auto only, but I thought to myself,
I will never see another one of these randomly.
I bet it had been years since the last one.
Yeah.
This is it.
Yeah, that's a good point.
You don't really see that
that area diesel BMW much anymore.
Yeah.
And E70s.
Like you don't see X5 diesel
from that generation, not much either.
Yeah.
It's harder to know because it's on the side,
but that 335 D badge.
I'm like, that was a cool car.
It gave you like real fuel economy in range,
but like pretty good performance too.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, that's our pod.
You got any parting words here, Nick?
No.
Best pod we've ever done.
Go to Kenan's YouTube channel.
Six of them.
I haven't seen the video yet.
I'm incredibly excited to do that.
What is it launching?
I know.
It's launching yesterday.
I can't believe you don't give your friends
a sneak peek.
Because it'll be great.
I'll send it to you later.
Before Nick posts a video on his channel,
he sends it to us and says,
do I need to edit out anything inappropriate from this?
I know that I do.
Can someone watch this?
I've been making videos for a while and I've got it.
I appreciate you letting us see the car
well before like a month ago when you've had it probably.
Two weeks, but yeah.
It feels like a month.
What, you expect me to hide it for two weeks?
Well, Doug almost leaked it on his Instagram page,
instagram.com.
He didn't tag me.
All good.
Now we're all excited.
All right, that's our podcast.
Nick, pleasure.
Thank you for being here.
Nick will also be here next week.
Flippo's in Japan.
And he's been sending us crazy pictures of stuff
like Japanese cars.
Well, it's crazy how the pictures
help poorly frame there.
He's not a good photographer at all.
Some of the worst photos I've ever seen.
Take some picture lessons.
He's not gonna watch this.
Pleasure.
Thank you for watching.
We'll see you next week.
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About this episode
A lively discussion kicks off with Kenan's exciting purchase of an SL65 AMG, sparking debates about car ownership and the automotive marketplace. The hosts dive into the recent crash in EV sales, the peculiarities of SEMA, and the latest automotive news, including recalls and new models. They also share personal anecdotes about their own vehicles, including breakdowns and upgrades, while reflecting on the challenges of maintaining a fleet of cars. The episode wraps up with a fun Q&A segment, covering everything from financing cars to the best budget alternatives for enthusiasts.
10-cylinder engine
aftermarket headlight solution
horsepower
keyless entry
parking sensors
spool up
Stellantis
supercharged V8
third row
twin turbo
Acura NSX
Audi RS2
Audi S7
BMW 5 Series
BMW 7 Series
BMW M5
BMW Z3
BMW Z4
Bugatti Veyron
Cadillac DeVille
Dodge Charger
Dodge Ram
Dodge Viper
Ferrari 512 M
Ferrari 512 TR
Ferrari F355
Fiat Multipla
Ford Explorer
Ford Lobo
Honda Accord
Honda CR-V
Honda Pilot
Jeep Cherokee
Jeep Grand Cherokee
Jeep Wagoneer
Lamborghini Countach
Lamborghini Reventon
Lamborghini Urus
Lamborghini Veneno
Land Rover Discovery
Land Rover Range Rover
Lotus Esprit
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Mercedes-Benz A-Class
Mercedes-Benz SL
Mercedes-Benz SL-Class (R231)
Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Roadster (C199)
Mercedes-Benz SLR Stirling Moss
Nissan Sentra
Plymouth Prowler
Porsche 911
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Carrera GT
Renault Twingo
Shelby Cobra
Subaru Solterra
Toyota Camry
Toyota Sequoia
Toyota Supra
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CHAPTERS:
00:00:00 THIS CAR POD!
00:00:23 Kennan Bought A Car
00:07:06 SEMA News
00:09:49 EV Sales
00:12:04 Honda Goes Off-Road
00:15:55 Porsche Enters Tunnel Mode
00:18:35 Saleen's New Concept
00:22:14 Jeep 4XE Recall
00:25:45 New RAM SRTs
00:28:29 Las Vegas Concours
00:32:31 New Renault Twingo
00:33:33 Talk Cars!
00:35:22 Nicks Multipla Update
00:39:31 Last Week's Mercedes-Benz R63 Sale
00:42:16 The Carrera GT Broke Down
00:49:18 Nick's SLR Party
00:52:28 Market Report
00:53:49 Pontiac Aztek
00:56:09 Ferrari 512 TR
01:01:03 Porsche 986 Boxster
01:02:50 Community Questions
01:03:39 Has Kennan Stayed On Budget With His E39 M5?
01:07:09 Which Is The Best Auto Nation Illustration Sticker?
01:08:40 What Is The Best $30k Version Of The Countach?
01:13:08 Did Nit Money Shift His TTRS?
01:16:19 Why Do Cars Still Have 12v Outlets?
01:17:37 Pay Cash Or Finance A Car?
01:23:18 What Music Has Doug Been Listening To?
01:25:39 Car That Had The Biggest Generational Downgrade?
01:30:11 Parting Thoughts
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