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Hello, and welcome to this car pod.

Hi, I'm Kenan.

I'm Nick.

Nick's here because Filippo is gone once again.

Is Filippo even still part of this?

He's galavanting.

I galavanted the summer.

He's currently galavanting, but Nick is here.

We got a lot to cover today.

But undoubtedly, the biggest news story

is sitting behind me.

Kenan, tell it to us.

The biggest news, at least in my world,

is that I finally bought a car.

Kenan has bought a car pod.

I finally bought a car.

Kenan has bought a car, folks.

This trumps all on a boat of news for the week.

Yes.

As I've been alluding to,

there are a lot of cars I was thinking about.

I mentioned the R230 SL 55.

I can see it's an R230.

Is it an SL 320?

No, baby.

That's the big boy.

It's an SL 65 AMG.

I've always wanted one of these cars.

I mentioned it briefly on the podcast,

and someone actually reached out to Nick,

who then was connected with me,

and here the car is.

It's a lovely example.

Like I said, 07, albaster white, red interior,

and a six-liter bi-turbo V12.

Six-liter twin-turbo V12.

And Kenan is going to tell us more about it on his...

Oh, yes.

It's the other piece of very big news on my YouTube channel.

So I have my own YouTube channel

that I've started by the time this is out.

The first video has gone live.

So it's just my name, Kenan Rolson,

which no one knows how to spell,

but it's K-E-N-A-N.

Yes.

If you start looking,

we'll have it linked in the description below.

Of course.

But feel free to check it out if you are so inclined to...

Kenan has...

Folks, folks.

Nick, this is the biggest.

Kenan has a YouTube channel and an SL65.

All right.

You know what?

I'm kind of salty, all right?

Not only did he get an SL65,

he got a Rentec tuned one.

So Mr. Anti-Mod has more horsepower

and more torque than my SLR.

And I can tell you he paid a little less.

Yep.

Don't even forget it.

On top of that,

he's creating a new YouTube channel.

Sounds familiar.

And I heard he's launching an automotive marketplace

called Vehicles and Wages.

So, like, come on.

Okay.

So let's talk about this.

Nick just bought his SLR.

He talked about it on the pod last week.

He revealed it on his own.

We've all got YouTube channels everywhere.

Yes.

Everybody except Felipe,

who will buy a car and have a YouTube channel soon,

hopefully.

Yes.

He will never...

Coming soon.

Dot, dot, dot.

Yeah.

But let's talk about this.

He's got an SL65.

Yeah.

So that SLR,

you got a week ago,

wrap out of him.

Well, look,

I had waited 20 years to own my F-355.

I bought it.

It was a huge deal.

And then both of you

bought cars within, like, a week

and took all of my thunder.

So the tickets come home to roost, my friends.

I actually bought my car first.

It just took a while to get here.

Yes.

Both of you actually beat me to having your car

actually arrive,

but that's due to the dealer

who bought it from that whole thing.

But nonetheless,

yes, I do now

also have a high-powered

range-topping Mercedes.

You and I bought cars at the same time.

Our friends Sam bought a car at the same time.

There's just these seasons of life

where you change out all the cars

and get a new one.

So I'm thrilled you did it.

Thank you.

And it is funny to see the two cars together

knowing how similar they are.

And Doug, it's time.

Doug still wants a 993 turbo.

What are you doing?

Please buy one.

So people stop sending me listings.

I know.

People keep sending me listings

to silver ones.

It is so Euro one.

I've had somebody just now,

just right now,

reach out and be like,

buy a Euro one in Europe.

I want a US 993.

Okay.

So, white, red, SL65,

how many miles?

72,300 miles.

Are we not a little bit concerned?

No.

Now initially,

there's two things.

Nick has taught me that

you kind of can just go into this

and learn what it's like.

You don't have to be as afraid.

Now, maybe the Bentley,

you know,

You don't do that.

You can go to a certain level,

but just don't go too far

or buy that crappy of a car.

Right.

You have to listen to Doug at some point.

Right.

And I did some research.

This is a technically in R230.2.

They got a little bit better

with the facelift of this car

for the first time.

They then facelifted it again,

which is the one with the

different front end.

So this car's got a little bit

more reliable,

but also this car comes with

a stack of service documentation.

Yeah.

Not the previous owner,

but the owner before him

was an engineer

and he got an aftermarket warranty

and used it a lot.

And so I have documentation

like this that shows

the ABC system with service

that the,

I think the water pump,

which is a known issue

on those engines,

has been replaced.

A bunch of other stuff too.

So I'm really not

particularly worried about it.

And I'll do a video

talking about,

I'm not wrong with my SL65,

but so far I've put about

500 miles on it

since I got it

a couple of weeks ago

and not an issue so far.

Folks,

Kenan has bought a car.

The chickens have come home

to roost.

I think that,

I don't know what that means.

It's a Midwestern thing.

It is interesting.

He's been talking

about buying a car for a long time.

Some people,

me included,

have been giving him,

oh, he's never going to buy a car.

The commenters have been

way more brutal.

But here it is.

And not only that,

Kenan was talking about

a Vora,

a Lotus,

a Viper.

He went above and beyond

all that.

He's got 800 horsepower

and 9 million pound-feet of torque.

Yeah,

allegedly it's 735 horsepower

and 826 pound-feet of torque.

With the tune.

Yeah, allegedly.

So we have to verify.

On your end,

I mean,

you know,

he also gets things

like parking sensors.

His keyless entry

doesn't require you

to put the key in to start it.

There's a budget,

like the folding hard top.

I believe you have Bluetooth

that streams music.

Yes.

There's a lot of amenities.

Well, you have a cassette player, though.

But he has to be 12.

And you have a little thing

you flip up and you hit,

you know, start,

you know, that's pretty cool.

It's,

I will say, having them side-by-side,

the SLR does have

a little extra presence.

It is interesting.

I think one of the complaints

that people have about the SLR

is that it's sort of like an SL.

But when you actually

put them next to each other,

it's like the Carrera GT

in the Boxster.

Oh, it's like a Boxster.

Well, that's true

right up until you get

him next to each other.

And then you realize kind of that

the SLR is a more precise,

tighter,

like more kind of

insanely created.

They're both really special.

And I think seeing them together,

you recognize similarities

and differences.

But like the SL65 is also

very under version.

And we have always wanted one

in this group,

the all of us.

No, we've been.

Three of us and a few others,

some of them appear on this.

I talk about it more in the video,

but that engine,

you know, I got.

Now there,

that is another,

we can talk about this all day,

but there is a reason

that it's super charged V8

and not a V12.

It's because it's just a more

immediate.

That engine takes a second

to spool like a jet turbine.

But my God,

when we've both been on the

highway together,

both have laid into it.

And it's pretty even, Nick.

It takes a second to spool up

as a good vibe for you.

Yes, I do take a second.

Where's Ken and I spooling up.

He's taking a second to spool up.

VTech hasn't caught in yet.

Anyway,

there's going to be more

on Ken and his YouTube channel

talking about the SF65.

Go there and watch.

And he's going to have more

stuff and more updates

and interesting automotive

content like Ken and YouTube.

There's Ken and fans.

There are Ken and fans.

There are Nick fans.

There are Filippo fans.

There are Filippo.

Filippo.

Filippo doesn't care about

any of this though.

So you're never going to

get any content out of him.

But these two will give you

content.

And Ken and go to

Ken and his YouTube channel.

I'm very excited myself to

subscribe.

I plan to be subscriber number

four.

Oh, thank you.

It's very kind.

Yeah.

Can you send me a link?

I will.

I'm not a subscriber.

I will send everybody links.

Okay.

We got to go on to

what is going on right now.

I don't have anything

specific to say.

By the time you're watching

this, it will have gone on

a little more.

But right now it's just

started.

So there's not that much

happening when we're

filming this.

Today Toyota released

a Scion.

A Scion.

It is a side-by-side.

It's an all-terrain

vehicle.

And it's apparently made

from Tacoma parts.

But it is nonetheless called

the Scion 01.

And it is like the

Scion brand has returned.

And actually on the side of it,

it literally says Scion.

Huh.

Yeah.

In the Arctic camera.

But there's other stuff too.

We have a couple of friends

over there who are sending us

pictures.

And obviously all of it

is tasteless and ridiculous,

which is the fun of SEMA.

That's what we are looking for.

Well, Ken and your big

mod guy with your Rentec tunes.

This is your vibe.

Tell us about it.

Yeah.

I've never been to SEMA.

I can't imagine a place

to be more out of

like fish out of water

than SEMA.

I will say that

Throttle has their GT

for GT.

Oh, yeah.

They debuted that there.

TJ Hunt also.

They finished it?

Yeah, it looks incredible.

It's a WD-40 delivery.

But it came out really cool.

Then TJ Hunt debuted

a new car there too.

So it feels like

the other San Diego YouTuber

should probably be

bringing something to SEMA next year.

You've ever been to SEMA?

Absolutely not.

And I have no one.

Look at that.

I know everything.

I'm not a Vegas guy in general.

It's not like kind of my vibe.

And I definitely don't want

Vegas to have a million people

run up to me and tell me

about their aftermarket

headlight solution.

There's some...

A lot of it now,

it is supposed to be a trade show

for people in the business.

Yeah.

Not like a car show,

but kind of more than a car show.

Yeah.

There was a video

or a photo I saw of someone

like snuck into the event

through the air vents

in the ceiling and stuff like that.

So it's like,

it's become a total circus

as you would expect.

Is it even hard to get tickets?

I mean, it's 100 bucks.

It's a show that you're

in the industry

to approve.

It's like getting a press pass.

Come on.

I mean, yeah.

It's like getting

press photography plates

on your car.

Excuse me.

I am a bona fide press photographer.

Okay.

So SEMA is going on.

That Toyota thing is the first

big piece of news I've seen

out of there.

Nothing else yet,

but I'm sure there will be

sponsored

I don't want to break anything

these are

oh no I'm going to

leg crap

why is it every time

we are sponsored

the talk car segment

the talk car segment is sponsored

by Piloti

who makes shoes

and I got to tell you

something

we got a lot of stuff

we say we don't say

I don't know

I don't know the rules

but someone gave me

a pair of these shoes

I think it was

Piloti themselves

and anyway

we did a drive this week

and I wore the shoes

and they are fantastic

I love them

they're really good

they're perfect size

on your feet

they have this roll control

heel

so you can swivel it

to make downshifting easier

did you find it

I mean because

I love the shoe

for your cars

it's hard to find shoes

that are narrow enough

to fit in most of the pedal boxes

a coontosh in particular

I haven't tried them

in the coontosh yet

although I don't really

consider that to be

a driver's car

where you'd wear a driver's shoe

but we took the

Carrera GT out

loved the shoe

absolutely loved the shoe

and it looks good

Nick

show us again

bring it out here

there you go

these ones

these are my dress pilotes

and then I have a

casual pilote

I got a picture

we stopped on our drive

and I did the Captain Morgan's

thing with my foot

on the top of the windshield

I was pretty proud of that

so

what was the crazy thing

I'm gonna be honest

I had never heard a pilote

until they started sponsoring

this podcast

I don't know if this is

one of those where we're like

oh we've been using them

for years

but either way

I hadn't heard of them

until they gave us some shoes

I tried them

and I thought they were

really really excellent

that's my actual

honest take

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and want to

experience

but now we have to talk

about the talk cars segment

and specifically

let's just start

with the multipla

and like let's get it out

of the way

let's just get it out of the way

there's not a lot

to say there

and that's the

you borrowed it

I borrowed the multipla

my Carrera GT broke down

that's one of the other

topics

but when that happened

I borrowed the multipla

and

yeah that's the thing

with the A-class

and the A2

and the multipla

they all look really cool

but they're very pedestrian

normal boring

slow

when I brought up the A-class

within an hour of driving it

I realized I had made a mistake

namely that I dropped

$16,000 into it

because it was horribly boring

and when the A2 multipla

thing happened

I specifically told everybody

at carsandbids

I'm not doing it

I'm not putting up my money

I'm not storing it at my house

I want nothing to do with this car

they bought it anyway

you bought the multipla

and quickly we have all discovered

yeah

they wear out fast

they're not a very dynamic car

it's slow

I still find it very useful

and practical

like I use it as a

means to get from point A to point B

and it is nice that a lot of people

have fun reactions to it

at least the multipla

looks weird so that

gives you some enjoyment

of like hey I'm driving a literal clown car

yeah

but just driving it

it's a little boring

and I think that's kind of the reality

and that's what I learned

with the A-class

and that's why I'll never do this again

is cool

the thing you don't want

and this was true of my RS2

you don't want a car that looks cool

but isn't really

interesting

you want a car that looks cool

and is cool

because if the looks

are the only cool thing about it

you know this is also some

relationship advice

I was just thinking that

I'm sure you were

if looks are the only thing

it's not enough

yep it's what's on the inside that counts

it's both

like I want a car that looks cool

and drives well

yeah brother

okay

I want a car that looks cool

and drives well

but like those little Euro hatchbacks

which we've all experienced

the big three

and the Alvin team

which you brought up

I suspect

it's going to fall into that category

don't you think

yeah

oh for sure

for sure

great greenhouse

a lot of glass

it's a

people transport it

like it's not built for a Friday night

the most powerful motor

was a three liter V6

with up to 210 horses

oh two

but remember it's minivan size

double mind

it's a minivan coupe

yeah

I just think like

people are going to bring this in

like we brought in our stuff

and they're going to be

oh this is so cool

and but like

deep down inside

they're going to know

I think it's like your

as cargo

it would be great to promote a business

because it attracts a lot of eyeballs

if you did like

pizza delivery or something

super fuel efficient

yeah

if you truly just needed

like a reliable point A to point B

it is a diesel

and it gets great fuel economy

there are use cases for it

but if you're like

hey I want to go for a nice drive

like

it's probably not the keys

like

you'd want to pick up

yeah there are use

use cases for it

and as a 13,000

car

okay that

changes it a little bit

like you have to compare it

to that price

you do

you will say

you're adding some complications

like parts finding

and that kind of thing

which you wouldn't have to

if you just bought a Sentra

yeah you know

and I just

I will not be importing an Aventine

I did this

I did the A-Class

we all got together

and did these

I'm out

you want to do an Aventine

you do it

I promise you it ain't worth it

there are worse uses

of 13 grand

like you could buy

an IPO of Selene

for 13 grand

and not get

there are worse uses

like driving around

in the in the multiply

it's like

it's kind of a fun

little point at a point B

yeah

it's just not

actually fun

right

so

well okay so

what's the deal

are you done with this

no well we're going to do

an adventure series

I'm told

that'll be fun

so we'll film that

but then it's over

I am actively

shopping for its

replacement already

sadly the R63

which we can say

for talk cars

somewhat

significantly exceeded

my budget

so I did not

that was an astonishing

pull that out

I wasn't able to

last week on the show

Nick went on this big thing

about how he wanted an R63

I know I hyped it

to match

yeah to match his

SLR

645

so we had this one on the site

it sold for

$64,500

which was

I mean short of

when they were brand new

and slightly depreciated

this was a record right

like the

yeah bring the trailer

hasn't had anything like this

bring the trailer number

nope

that's what we call it

I came up with that

we're sticking with it

so

645

don't we worry that the

R63 is kind of gone

well this one was

an outlier in that it was

low mileage

but that's what you would want

it's what you want

but I would say

there will be

gettable ones for less than this

because this is the nicest one

that's transacted

in a very long

but let's try to learn

a lesson here

let's try to learn

a lesson from the Bentley

right

let's try to get a nice one

there's

this is

it's not a one or zero

there's a whole

scale and spectrum here

so

I don't want

a zero

I don't need the 1.0

like

like I'm good with like a

0.4

to 0.6

where would you count the

Bentley on this scale

it was like a 0.2

and I think I've got

do it like a 0.5

I think you've got it

from a 0.2

to a 0.3

the problem is so

David Nutley who's

working on it now

worked on them new

and he said oh yeah

when they were

brand new in 2002

we had all sorts of issues

with it like

factory fresh

you know Nick

we knew this

everybody knew this

he's pissed

dude

I can't believe he's like

he's like surprised

go back and watch the

we're just rubbing it in

we deserve to rub it in

we get that benefit now

yeah cause you're like

oh it's not that bad

it's great I love this car

and now

here we are

it came home

to roost like this

so the multipla

I think might get

replaced I'm now a

Mercedes guy

we're Ben's boys

together

what do you mean we

I mean I got a G-wagon

Filippo's got an

E-class station wagon

I got an E-class station

wagon also

I'm leaving into the

historic now

I feel like that people

have always accused me

of being a Porsche guy

when I've had like

38 I can't stop

buying Mercedes Benz

and now look at us

we're a Mercedes Benz

group

we've all got

Mercedes Benz

yeah

so in our 63

feels to me like

like a good multiplier

like it

it has a third row

it's so it's very

practical it's got

a ton of power

I could maybe

manual swap this

cause I'm not sure

I'm going to do

the SLR manual swap

anymore so

what do you mean

you're not sure

you were never

I have wasted a

lot of time

of various shops

it's

I'm still

someone interested

I just don't

I don't hate the auto

as much

then I'm talking to

DC motor works at

bullions guys

about maybe doing a

TCU tune on the SLR

as sort of a

stopgap

let it be

no

okay

I wasn't

and then I we

mod things

alright

I want to talk about

the Grudge ET

which broke down

you got a TCU

tune don't you

do you

when you get to my level

of torque

you'll understand

you just kind of

point it on the straight line

you breathe on the

throttle and you let it go

I really need to

alright

I regret this

entire podcast

oh man

the dude

spent one tenth

of what you spent

and you can do this

forever

yeah

I mean it's

I remember

when the SLR

was around

and then

it was during the

SLR's run that

they came out with

the SL65

and I remember

as a kid thinking

like

the SL65

is now

it's got the same power

and it's a V12

it doesn't make any sense

and it makes even

a little less sense

now that the price differential

it used to be like this

and now it's like this

yeah

yeah like

that more like

but

it's about how

it is about how they drive

it's been a long time

since I've driven an SLR

but

they will be very different

I suspect

we'll say it

we'll do a comparison

you and I

it better be different

I'm gonna be real

he's afraid

I drove the SLR

together thing

despite what all the

internet nut swingers say

uh okay

swinging them

okay

I want to talk about

the Crergy T breakdown

Crergy T broke down

Crergy T broke down over the weekend

the Kuntash broke down

two weeks ago

and then

on a Saturday

and I missed a

child's birthday party

not my own

but a child

because I was

waiting for the toe

and dealing with all that

and then the Crergy T

broke down this week

and I guess

I'll do a video about it

I don't know

it's getting fixed right now

it's nothing major

I

instead of getting in depth

about what happened

I

will say

I am reminded about

why I was off cars

uh huh

yes

work

but the inconveniences

are minor

those cars have been

two

those cars have been

very solid in your ownership

here except for

these two little things

like it does

have their old cars

like it does happen

but here's the thing

but this is

what it will have

you'll give it a little bit of time

you'll come back to it

and be like

this is the greatest thing

the Crergy T

is the greatest car I've ever made

I truly believe that

especially because

I got to drive it back to back

with the SLR

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deep regret

but

I am reminded about

you know

I am

you know kind of

an obsessive way

I like trying to

make sure I spend

every possible second

I can with my family

my children

and losing

I ended up being

three hours on one Saturday

and another three hours

on another Saturday

not really

what I'm looking for

and

it

haven't touched one of

the sports car since

the Countach is back

haven't driven it

4 GT's been just sitting

career GT when it comes back

will be sitting

maybe here

you think why this

this is why so many people

get all the cars

that they've always dreamed of

and then they just sit

and rot

they just can't be

inconvenienced

because when you have

a fleet of 20

it's even that much harder

it's every weekend

yeah and because

I think the cars do

break your heart

they do break down

they do this and that

and you don't want to be

a part of it

and so you're like

I want to have it

but I don't say

want to be around that

so I just park it

and then eventually

these collections

kind of thin out

and everybody's like

why is he selling his car

well because

he doesn't want to

he's old

he doesn't want to deal

with this BS anymore

it is funny because

like in order to

have the cars

you do have to be older

and age to

afford them usually

and that

the boys of was it

the clothes of the boy

don't fit the man

it would have been fun

you know

when you're 23

you like need a headache

like you just

in your life

you like need a headache

like you should go

buy a Facebook

marketplace

bad whatever

and like

bug ISTI

learn cars that way

yep

and break down a couple

times

and have to go on a

flatbed

or learn to fix it

or whatever

like that's how

I you know

that's how I did it

when I was that age

when you're 37

you know

I'd say

but I'm not

about these cars

I get that

that happens

and whatever

but twice in two weeks

was a tough

tough hit

and I

for years

it was been like

I'm off cars

you guys made fun of me

and now I am reminded

why

it's not even about

these cars

it's why I don't

want to add more

because

another car

is another set

of tires to

keep track of

another battery

another oil change

an old Porsche and add that to your list of headaches.

I would say, you know, the ancient school of stoicism

would say to reframe every obstacle as an opportunity.

So every time the Bentley breaks down,

I say, great, free car storage.

And it sits on a mechanic for a couple of weeks.

I don't have to worry about where I'm gonna park it.

It is nice.

It can't break down again when it's already

at the mechanic so it doesn't get worse.

The sad part about that is the car

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it would be the G-Wagon

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And, but the G is never broken.

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It's always just up.

I see the outline of the bumper, it's just sad.

It's a shame we don't have a car wizard

or like Jay Leno's guy.

We just, we need our own mechanics.

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That would be nice.

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I want to talk about,

speaking of the career GT breaking down,

the day after the career GT broke down,

I was completely off cars

and yet nonetheless I decided to attend a party

about cars.

Nick, take it away.

I hope we have photos of this party.

We do, including the cake

that my wife spent like a week obsessing

over every detail.

So my birthday was two weeks ago now

and then the car also came around that time

and so we decided to have an SLR party

but it was also a bit of a belated birthday party.

That's not how it was pitched to me.

But anyway, we called it an SLR party

but it felt indulgent just to celebrate the car.

So we called it both in my head.

But we had SLR trivia of which y'all did pretty well.

We had an SLR cake.

The SLR was parked prominently.

One of the trivia questions was

what's the top speed of the SLR?

And I raised my hand and guessed 208 miles an hour

and I was 12 is wrong.

Someone else raised his hand and guessed

207 miles an hour and that person was apparently correct.

Well, he said it was price is right rule.

Sorry, that was very clear up front.

We had been looking at it the previous day online.

I do think despite how degenerate this car group is,

having a party each time someone gets a new car

is kind of a fun little tradition.

I'm not doing that.

Yeah, there's too many cars.

We can scale it up.

Like if you get a multiply

we're all gonna meet it in an outburger.

And if you get like a nice car

we can go to like Ruth's Chris or something.

You know, one thing, we did the SLR party.

Everyone came.

It was the talk of San Diego County.

It was.

We all drove to Nick's cul-de-sac

and we filled it up with cars.

We filled it up with,

it was hard to dodge all the driveways,

but we filled it up with cars, all of us did.

And I brought the second most powerful Mercedes-Benz,

my E450 all-terrain.

Yes, I did not bring my Mercedes-Benz.

So I didn't have the title of the most powerful.

I took my M5 instead.

I had other things that was there.

The children came.

There were kids crafts for some reason.

It was a highlight of the year.

Like I, all of my friends and their families together

are celebrating the SLR.

I mean, you can't.

I will say, I was walking out of the party

and I realized I hadn't actually seen the SLR

at any point during the party.

Nope, it was in, you know, the garage.

It was a backyard party in the, right.

Yeah, very, very sweet party

brought to us by Nick's wife

who I don't think we're allowed to name,

but whoever she is.

She, she watches the pot.

She watches the pot.

It's really fun.

And like, it's really easy to go into the trope

of like making fun of your wife

or people that don't get the car hobby.

But like, it was like above anything,

like her gesture of I'm throwing you a party.

Like I'm that supportive of your car hobby

and the fact that you are a degenerate.

That is so true.

It was sweet.

So many of these guys I meet,

my wife would never let me.

The old ball and chain.

The old ball and chain and boomer humor, you know.

But Nick over here, not only does his wife support it,

she threw him a party with a cake

that I'm sure we've shown.

She actually loves the SLR too

because it's more usable than the Mercy

and we got like a functioning roof

and the heat works better.

Like the quality she looks for in a car,

the SLR does have to be slightly better than the Mercy.

All I need left on her is to get her to yell,

fire in the hole every time I go through a tunnel.

Ah, okay.

She's a patient woman.

We gotta move on to the market report

which is brought to you.

It's supposed to be brought to you by Cars and Bids

but the market report is actually brought to you

by the 993 Twin Turbo,

a USA 993 Twin Turbo in arena red.

Folks, stop sending me euros.

Stop sending me,

someone the other day sent me one that was Bones Stock

and the picture's up.

Did it have an aftermarket headlight solution?

It's, if you're in, if you think like Nick,

like how Nick would have thought of Bones Stock

back in the day when he modded that to TRS.

But it's only wheels and exhausts

a low lighted aftermarket shift.

Bones Stock.

Different steering wheel, seat, race point.

This is how the Supra community is.

I wanna mark Ford Turbo also.

And I look at the Supra community and people like Bones Stock

and you look at the list of mods on a Bones Stock car.

But relative to what some people do in the community,

that is Bones Stock, you know?

That's like how it's viewed.

It's like how my Mormon friends and colleagues

drink bang energy drinks because they can't have coffee.

You know, it's like, okay, it's a loophole.

I don't think that that's, I don't think that's,

that's not the point we're making here at all.

The OEM plus mods don't count as mods.

It's the same, it's like bang energy drink to your coffee.

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Okay, the first thing I wanna talk about,

we already discussed the R63.

Can we talk about the Aztec?

Pull up the Aztec.

Oh yeah, this is on my list too.

I almost featured this, I probably should.

Now we're talking about a new feature now.

Folks, there is an Aztec on the site.

Aztec is a meme car, we know it's a meme car.

There is an Aztec on the site.

How many miles, five?

Yeah, it's got 50, 201 owner miles.

52, the Aztec is a meme car,

but if you ever wanted to spend a lot of money

on a meme car.

Speaking of the multiplayer experience, here you go.

This is unbelievable.

It's so nice.

And I know you probably prefer the body cladding ones.

I strongly prefer the paint matched.

To be clear, the paint matched ones were way more attractive.

But part of the fun of the Aztec is it's handiness.

And the cladding, which O1 was O1 only, the cladding.

The cladding ones fit the profile more.

I've always wanted one of these after the car bros,

which I can't find anymore,

but he brought a fake Enzo to the quail.

I wanted it to do this and make it a Urus.

So put the Lambo wheels and Lambo badges,

but the yellow, especially the paint matched lowers.

Yep, really looks like an Urus.

It looks a lot like an Urus.

No matter what people, I love the Urus.

Yeah, well, it's a Pontiac Aztec, so do what you want.

With the right wheels and like some vinyl wrap.

If you were willing to spend money on some good reps,

you could like get close.

Go back to the Aztec.

Wouldn't that be incredible?

I want to see the interior of this Aztec.

If you thoroughly looked at this listing.

Not on the inside.

The interior is wild.

I've spent some time in Aztecs over the years.

I'm sure.

And no GM interior aged this well.

They've even got the cooler,

which by the way is my actual beach cooler

that I use to this day on the Aztec.

They've got it in the car.

Doug is the kind of guy.

I can't believe how nice this is.

I don't know if there's anyone really willing to.

Oh wait, go back to the cooler.

What is this?

I think that's just the protection

that they put on top of it.

I don't have that on mine.

Well, you don't care as much about it as I do.

Nobody is willing to spend this kind of money

on a meme car, but God, if you were ever gonna,

this is the best, I feel comfortable in saying

this is the nicest Aztec in the world.

It's gotta be.

It isn't like one of those,

like there's a billion Camrys,

so there's probably one nicer.

They only made a few of these.

Nobody saved them.

Yeah.

Do you think the Lane Motor Museum

is gonna bid on this one?

Because they should.

It belongs in a museum.

No, the place in Tacoma.

Le Me.

Okay, Kenan, tell us about the 512 TR.

Yes, so we recently, I love the 512 TR.

These cars have been on a run recently.

I think people are realizing how much nicer

that they are than the Standard Tester.

But this further underscores that point.

This car had a ton of miles on it.

We talked about it briefly last week.

I believe 74,400 miles, and it sold for 195.

Feels like a big number for a car with that kind of miles.

It's also a Euro, which they're just worth less

than the US cars generally speaking,

because you can't register in California,

all those things, but nonetheless,

I mean, this car sold for serious money.

As a person who's been talking up Kuntash

and talking down Testerosa for many years,

it has been interesting for me

to watch the 512 TR and the 512 M

completely break away from the Testerosa.

The market does not view this car

as relevant to the Testerosa market.

It isn't.

They're very dramatically different cars

that drives so much better.

And you know, I drove one a while ago.

It's different.

It's better.

I don't know that it's 3X different, but...

Also, don't forget,

like, we'd start to talk about production numbers.

Like the Testerosa, they made a ton of 512 TRs.

It also looks way better.

Way better.

Including the 512 M, which looks the best.

Whoo-hoo.

Well, there's an incorrect take.

But the 512, I was talking to our friend Edison today about,

the 512 M is a perfect example

of what a company does when they have no clue what to do.

They like, they could not move on to the next thing yet.

Like the 550 and they just were like,

one last thing, so they just threw the book at it.

That's what happens when you crowdsource styling.

You end up with an F512 TR.

A great list of cars would be cars

that got facelifted at the very end

of their production run in order to fit them in

with the rest of the model line.

And so there was only like a year or two of the facelift.

And the F512 M is one, the 0304 disco,

the Land Rover Discovery.

They facelifted at the very end to match the Range Rover,

even though it was the very end.

Yeah, I mean, the smile on the front end and the wheels.

Still the greatest OE wheels of all time.

They are good looking.

The elements of the car that are cool,

but in its totality, good.

Regardless, great 512 TR number and further proof

that the market really believes the 512 TR

is a very special car.

The Testerosa is a desirable car.

It's cool, but it's never really blown up in value ever.

And I don't know that it ever will.

This is.

Maybe, may I also posit that it's further proof

that driving your cars isn't as expensive

in terms of the hit you'll take on resale

as you might think.

True, the expense comes when the Porsche dealer calls

and says that you need a new starter motor

and it's gonna be seven grand.

Right.

That's the expense.

The world of engine out Ferrari service seven grand

is a layup.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

I wonder how many engine outs this car's had.

I've really thought about that

and you have to imagine it's at least 15.

If it's done correctly, it's probably a.

In Europe though, they do it less.

That's like a thing on Ferrari chat.

Like the Europeans like do it less

and don't even think it has to be done as much

and drive the cars more.

This is a Euro.

I wouldn't be surprised if it hasn't been out 15 times,

but it's been out.

It's been out probably 10.

I would not be surprised.

Yeah, I mean, how old's the car?

It's 92.

93 and 74,000 miles.

It's just supposed to do every 5,000 miles.

So yeah, if it's unproper, it should be around that number.

Yeah.

I bet it's been out.

I wonder if they had to replace the hardware

because they wore out from how many times

they had to come in and out, in and out of the car.

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I want to talk about Edison's Boxster.

We got a 96, it's not live yet,

but it'll be live when this goes up.

We got a 96 Boxster SLive right now, great car.

That particular car is a 986 Boxster.

It is a used car that has a couple of foibles.

But you know, I was driving that car

and I was just reminded by what a great value

these cars are.

They are, yeah, I'm still not opposed to the idea

of having one at some point

just to like mess around with for a little bit.

It's a toss around car.

And I actually kind of, the S's are great.

And the one that I reviewed is gonna sell well,

but the base for eight grand.

I mean, you know, you could really just kind of toss

around that car to the point where you destroy it

and the parts will probably get you back the money.

You know, you can just really beat on this thing

and rag on it.

And they were kind of designed for that.

I just find these cars to be tremendously fun

for the money, really, really fun cars.

I agree.

I think in a lot of, I mean,

any Miata's have come back down in value,

but for a time, like these were less expensive

than any Miata's.

And you're driving around in a Porsche.

It's a boxer, but still like it's nice.

If you got 10 and you end up with a Z4, a Z3,

instead of this, you're making a mistake.

If you're young and you want to not,

if you want to be like what Doug said,

buy an interesting sports car while you're young.

And have a headache.

Well, I don't really even think that bad of them.

No, but you'll learn how to work on a car

and what cars things cost

and all that stuff will break.

It's a German car.

You're gonna learn,

but this is a good place to start.

Totally.

Look at that.

That one looks so good.

There's a lot of them.

And there's some cool specs.

That does look nice.

We saw the yellow one recently.

I really think it, not that one, but...

I'm over the Euro side marker.

I agree.

Keep it on.

Save the DOT.

I'm over it.

Save the, oh, red.

I think it looks nice.

Look at my Euro side marker.

Okay, we gotta move on to questions, questions,

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and we will read your question on the air if it's good.

A lot of good ones this week.

Starting with some aimed at Kennan Liberty asks,

in the first episode of 25,

Kennan made the New Year's resolution

to spend no more than $2,000 on his E39M5.

At the end of April,

we got an update where he said

he had spent $837 on the M5.

In that episode, Kennan also states

that his resolution was to spend no more than $2,500.

So we snuck in an extra 500.

It sounds like Emily has a new screen now.

Since then we've had no update.

Kennan, it's November.

How much have you spent on the E39 and 25?

So far, I think at 1347.

What was the other thing beyond the 837?

I did an oil change.

It went back up for a,

I have this weird issue with the AC where it like,

when it's on it makes this like whirring sound,

but we can't forget what it is.

We replaced the belts and tensioners a couple of times

and still getting it

and I've done the compressor in the past like recently.

So it's not that.

So we're still trying to figure that out.

I did a couple of little minor things.

I bought bushings for the power steering reservoir.

A couple of little things.

I mean, really little things,

but generally speaking,

car has been rock solid,

has not needed anything as I predicted.

I'm confident that's not gonna happen.

Don't tell Joseph Smith this,

but his bang energy drink

is that he got a gift card for service

from all of his friends for his birthday.

And he used that gift card.

So that was another $800 you got to add.

Is that true?

It's true.

You and I both took in for this gift card.

Oh my God, that's so right for the tin and windows.

It was like a zillion dollars

and I had to spend like most of it.

Yeah, yeah.

No, I match you dollar for dollar,

but thank you.

Oh, hell yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The rest of them, the rest of them cheaped out.

Admittedly, I did use that,

but then I also then spent more money with Kevin.

So like-

Wait a minute.

So what was the Kevin money?

Add that in.

Yeah.

It was all, I don't remember what it was.

We need a real update.

I'll tally it.

Come back next week with an update.

You don't have to include the gift card

because I have a suspicion you wouldn't have done that

if we hadn't given you the gift card right away.

Correct.

So that doesn't really count.

I'm not even gonna mention the Joseph Smith reference.

We're gonna move on.

You like that?

Yeah, but there are gonna be some angry people

in Utah and Nevada.

I'll come with an update,

but I honestly feel like I'm right there.

I'm doing well so far.

That happens right up until your starter motor fails.

Luckily I replaced that already.

Hit me with no one.

What do you think?

That happens right up until your distributor fails.

It doesn't have a-

You get my point.

You get the point I'm making.

I thought I was okay.

I'll tell you this,

I have a New Year's resolution.

It's still 25, I get a New Year's resolution.

None of my big three get into the shop in 26.

None.

In all of 26.

The Kuntosh, the 4GT and the Creer GT.

None of them go to the shop in 26.

You put money on that?

No, absolutely not.

But that's my goal.

That's my dream.

It's good to have a goal.

The Creer GT and the Kuntosh

will have just had a big service at the end of 25.

I'm gonna stretch them until 26.

And the 4GT, I have a goal

that it doesn't go back in the shop until next fall.

Two years from now.

Unlikely.

The 4GT will be-

The 4GT did two years between the last service.

It is, it does-

You're gonna get smog next year?

For the 4GT and the Creer GT need smog next year.

But-

4GT's going back to the shop.

Well, no, the shop doesn't need to smog the 4GT.

What do you mean?

We just smog it.

It's a complete-

I mean, I don't know, some of us drive OE cars,

some have modded cars.

Maybe you have some mods that need to be removed.

The smog shop doesn't count.

My car passed smog, not a single-

Both my cars passed smog, no problem.

Okay, next question.

This is a good one from AJNickel6.

Go to the CarPod questions.

AutoNation illustration on Instagram.

You saw this?

Yeah, they were cool.

Scroll down.

Some stickers for the crew.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

These.

Which one is your favorite?

I love that one.

That is, that is-

Did you see these?

I did, yes.

You tagged me on Instagram.

Wow, that's a great-

They're all surprisingly good Filippo.

It is a surprisingly good Filippo.

That, I mean, the crazy thing that does capture you

with the SLR shirt and everything.

Although that one's a coupe, not a convertible.

Oh, yeah.

And-

Yeah, that one, that's it.

That's your car.

Oh, wow, I have a blue check.

Yeah, I know.

A blue check.

Yeah, he did give you that.

Blue checks are expensive.

You look into that stuff?

No.

Have you got a fray for it?

It's like it's not cheap.

These are great.

But it's asking, which is your favorite?

I think Filippo.

The Filippo really captures the essence of Filippo.

Right, he's doing happy.

That's true.

I've never seen him happy.

About related to cars, he cannot be that happy.

Yeah, I think they captured-

A bicycle?

Yes.

Plus, he would never open his arms like that

and with a smile.

It's too like-

He'd have a phone in one hand

and Slack would be on it and he'd be checking.

Like your clothes, really, really close.

Yeah.

That one's good.

I am that happy every time I'm around that car.

Oh, enough.

Oh, how sweet.

I love that car.

But the crazy, I can't believe he tried to slip

that Kevin service under our noses.

Well, I agree with you.

I don't think that counts.

Like, well, I wouldn't know.

I would just wait until next year.

I'm calling Kevin right at the end of this podcast.

Okay, next question from Imperial South Ham.

This is a great question

and I'm curious to get your guys' takes,

but I have the answer sort of.

Question for Doug.

What cars offer a similar X Factor and Rawness

like your Countach for people who don't have Countach money?

Oh, this.

Let's assume a budget of 30 grand.

I want to love a car like you love your Countach.

I don't know about 30 grand,

but I will tell you a car that I think provides

the exact same level of Rawness and excitement

is a Lotus Esprit.

I think-

This is not what I expected.

I think that this car with the V8,

now there was a time when they were 30 grand

and it wasn't that long ago,

but they've gotten expensive

and the V8 twin turbos,

which is specifically what I'm talking about,

are now maybe 60 to 80.

I nonetheless feel that this car is one of the great bargains

in the automotive world today.

It is, it still has the wedge.

It is still wide and low and flat.

The sound is immense behind you.

It is incredibly analog, incredibly raw,

even though it was made through like 2003

and it is just so damn cool.

And it's expensive.

I'm gonna be clear,

but it's not Countach expensive.

No, it's not crazy.

And of course, I mean,

it will be expensive to take care of, of course,

but like that is a-

Probably, but so is the Countach.

But exoticness to dollar ratio is very high.

And I still feel that way about the Esprit.

I reviewed an Esprit right when we launched cars

and bids that sold on the site

probably four or five years ago.

And it was that one.

It was that dark red one there for 70,500.

And in that video, I made the point

that these are kind of bargains for what they are.

And they've gotten more expensive since then.

I still feel like they're complete bargains

for what they are.

This car, when you see one of these on the road,

pictures don't really even do it justice.

You have to see how low and wide and flat it is.

It looks like a Countach.

It is a serious car.

It is eye-catching.

I don't even recall the last time I saw one on the road.

But when I see that V8 badge,

that highly stylized V8.

And I'll tell you, if you ever driven one-

No, no.

It is raucous.

The interior is raucous.

It is loud and it's like the Countach.

Even though actually it's a lot newer,

honestly, it's probably easier to own.

But it has its own challenges.

But it is fun.

It is loud and fast and cool.

I would pause it when I think of the alternative

to the Countach, the Pantera is the one that comes to mind.

Granted, these cars also, again,

like you said, not in the $30,000 range,

but they are crazy, crazily styled.

The rear of the car is just so cool.

It's from the similar era as the early Countach.

There's a lot of compromise in terms of the interior,

much like a Countach.

It's not as nice drive as the Countach,

but you get a lot of that crazy vintage exotic.

When we had this Pantera in the office

and I was pretty impressed with just how exotic

and cool it looks, so many people have modded

and screwed up Panterras over the years.

A really clean, just like nice, simple Pantera

is a nice, nice-looking wedge car

that does kind of give you the Countach,

like ideal to it.

I agree.

And even Pantera themselves kind of screwed up

the design with the latest of the GT5.

The GT5.

I will say.

I think it's still kind of cool.

One thing that is missing from this car

that isn't from the Esprit,

it doesn't have the loud,

like, kind of rawness to it driving it.

The motor is a little bit smoother than I was expecting.

You put us some headers on that.

You go to SEMA, get some headers,

I'll bet you you can.

Yeah, probably.

But you get my point.

This car is honestly probably a better engineer.

It was a 4G.

I expected both of you to say Gen 1 Viper.

Yeah.

Yeah, Gen 1 Viper.

Rawness, loud, raw, N35-ish.

That's the obvious.

It's too obvious.

The other ones I was gonna throw out

a Shelby Cobra replica from the 60s

is very raw, has that X-Factor, is dangerous, et cetera.

I was also gonna throw out,

if you wanted something a little bit more modern

and a little less attention getting a WS6

or a Termi Cobra for about 30.

Termi Cobra.

Gets you a ton of power and presence

and enjoyment factor.

Yeah, I guess, I think, yeah.

And if you just want something

to blow everyone's minds when they see it,

Plymouth Prowler.

Yeah, that's not wrong.

You lose the driving experience.

To me, part of the beauty of the Kuntash experience

is the low slung, is the exoticness of it.

And that's why I say Esprit.

But yours provide, especially the Viper,

provides sort of the rawness, the emotion of it.

And I do think that that would be a car

that someone could fall in love with

if they have an open mind.

Yep, I still want one.

I still want one at some point.

Okay, next question from Parthee Smarty.

Did Nick actually money shift the TTRS

or is this just an inside joke?

Folks, we don't joke about money shift.

We don't joke about money shift.

I'm gonna tell you the story

because he's gonna tell you the wrong story.

I'm gonna tell you the real story.

When I met Nick, he had a TTRS.

And this was during Nick's modding cars days.

He was a young man, pre-kids,

and he would mod cars.

When I met Nick, the TTRS had gold wheels,

it was dropped, it was all this.

And we were talking and he kind of explained to me

that a year or so before I met him,

he had sent the engine out to get built

because that's what you do.

You gotta get built.

And one day, after the car came back

and the engine got built,

he was driving to work

and he was getting on and on ramp

and he launched it and he accidentally went

from fourth to second and meant to hit third.

Well, I don't know what it was.

I don't know the exact gearing

and I don't think he does.

And a money shift to the car blew the motor.

And after that, he drove around in a Camry with no title.

The only part of that story that's true

is the very end of it.

There was a title somewhere, it just had been lost

and Florida requires you to go in-person

to get a duplicate made.

Of course, he's drove around a Florida plate Camry

with no title after he blows up his motor.

It's a story as old as time in the modding community.

A good friend of mine who is active military

and so therefore you don't have to change the plates

if you are enlisted.

And so that was the loophole, much like bang energy drinks.

I'm glad that you have stepped in

to correct that part of the story.

The rest of it is accurate.

Okay, next question.

The engine was rebuilt because of the motor blowing

not before because it was sleeved

much like your Kuntosh to strengthen it.

Was it sleeved after the money shift?

Yes, that's how they fixed the fact

that the piston rings melted and internal.

So you did money shift it?

I did not money shift it.

I was driving it normally.

Driving it normally and all of a sudden?

You know, the engine's gotta be built.

It was never money shifted.

He was driving normally in the sense

that he went to third and got first.

People did that in those TTRSs.

They got money shifted.

Great car.

I agree it's a great car.

It's an underrated car.

It is now in West Virginia, right?

As far as I know, unless it's sold since then.

We gotta have been that, then look up that.

Okay.

But it's an inside joke.

I would like to claim the story.

It is not true.

Money shift in a TTRS.

You were not there.

Oh, let me tell you.

I'm gonna give you listeners out there

who may not have as much experience

in the automotive world as I.

When someone tells you that they were driving a car

in some anger and the engine just blew.

This is not an old car.

This is a five year old car at the time, right?

And it's got a manual transmission.

They money shift it.

They don't wanna tell you they money shift, huh?

That old cast register over here,

money shifted from that TTRS.

No such thing.

We will move on.

Money shifted to TTRS.

Okay, next question from Tennis Pro 6060.

Doug, please explain why automakers

are still using 12 volt power outlets.

Why, why, why?

It's because people still have accessories

that use those things.

And there will be people who,

including me, believe it or not,

in my Sequoia I actually,

I found a 12 volt that charges the phone like instantly

and I'm like married to it.

I think it's still better than the in-car plugs

because they're just not as quick to charge.

And so believe it or not,

I still use a 12 volt myself in that car.

I'm like that with USB-A, USB-A.

I'm not, I'm not down with the C.

Don't force it on me.

Like I'm good.

What, what?

You prefer USB-A to C?

Cause I got all the A's.

I got tons of the A's.

A lot of the outlets got A's and I'm not ready.

Okay, well, that's another example of this.

Yes.

However, my suggestion is that this will go away.

Just like cassette players.

Like for years and years,

automakers had cassette players in cars

even long past when we all were actually using them,

but some people were still using them.

And that's true of the 12 volt.

And I think the 12 volt sticks around

for more longer than you think

because there are still people

who are not willing to give up their stuff.

Now as more and more cars are starting

to integrate household outlets,

which is becoming a thing I'm seeing on at least one

out of every two cars I'm reviewing.

I think that will eventually kill the 12 volt outlet,

but it'll be still a few more years.

Okay, next question from Luke Rinoffs.

The older generation always says to pay for cars in cash.

Newer would say do a little down as possible,

invest what you could have spent

and make up for depreciation.

Do you see pros to cons to either boy?

I made a video about this years ago

and man, there are some real people

who are just cash only.

Here's the deal.

If you can get a sufficiently low interest rate on a loan

and you use it to buy a car that you,

these are the two caveats

in which I think you should finance a car.

You get a low interest rate

and you use it to buy a car

that you could have otherwise afforded.

So you're not using your financing

to stretch into some Rolls Royce type thing.

You go to the dealer, you could get a Honda,

but instead they're offering 1%.

And so you take them up on that

and you finance that car, okay?

Smart money, smart consumers,

smart finance people will do that always.

There are a lot of people out there

who just don't want a car payment.

I get that.

It is not the financially smartest thing to do.

You will not end up on top.

If you take the money that you would have spent

on the rest of the car

and invest that money over time,

you will come out ahead.

You may not come out ahead that year

or even with that car,

but if you do this throughout your life

and get 2% interest on every car

and invest the rest,

you will come out way ahead.

In the end, you probably have an extra car and cash

because of all the money

that you didn't tie up in cars.

And so that's what you should do.

And I cannot wait for the comments to tear me apart

and say that buying cash is the only way to do it

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I've got a couple.

One, the average new price of a car I'm told

is $51,500.

So buying cash isn't an option.

Now you could buy used, however with the used,

you do run a risk that the car blows up

the day you get it back, right?

So like when people are leasing a car, right?

Often the advice is don't put a ton down

because if you crash it or what have you,

you're never getting that back.

That's good advice for a lease.

So it could maybe go with sketchy purchases

in which you get scammed or something

that like, hey, if you finance it,

then maybe there's not.

I mean, I do think that there's a middle ground

between the type of used car

that will blow up the day you buy it

There's a lot of used cars in there

that you could still finance,

still get decent interest rates on

that are not going to blow up the day you buy it.

Like a two-year-old accord is a pretty good,

that's probably a pretty good buy.

You got nothing else?

That's all there was your take?

I don't, I guess since we're on the topic

of religions, a lot of my Muslim friends

are not big on debt.

So to your point, there may be people

where just-

That's true, there's some people

and there's some people who just personally

just don't want to have debt and I get it,

but the smart money is if you can get

a low enough interest rate

and you're not stretching to afford the car.

I've made this caveat already twice.

I'm making it a third time.

Those are the two really important points here

because in today's environment,

when interest rates are 6%, you don't want to do this.

It is a bigger cost.

You don't necessarily want to do this

or you want to finance less of the car.

Nonetheless, I will say,

one of the things I'm really sick of

with the personal finance crowd

is people who are bragging about

how old their car is

and how long they keep their car running.

You do not understand the safety benefits

of getting in more modern car

than your 1986 Honda Accord.

And there are so many people out there

who like, I still drive the same 1993 Honda Accord

that I bought new as a point of pride.

And I don't find it prideful.

I think it's dangerous at this point.

I'm not saying you need to go buy a brand new Volvo,

but like a three-year-old Honda Accord

is not that crazy of a spend

and it really will change your life

if you get into a serious accident.

And I guarantee there are people

who have gone to the grave proud

of their 1993 Honda Accord

for the personal finance reasons.

Kenan, how'd you buy the SL65?

You take out a giant loan?

Nah, pay cash.

But still like the thing with it is like,

yeah, I think it depends on everybody's

individual situation, your level of comfort with that.

But I think you can be smart about it.

Just, it really depends on the car,

how you're going to use it.

I do definitely agree with you

about the safety thing for people

who are doing big commutes in older cars.

I drive an older car every day.

My commute's not that far.

And so I'm at a lower level of risk.

And the E39 is a very safe car.

That's a pretty safe car too.

So I'm less worried about it.

But yeah, I think that year in particular,

that's people who drive stuff from the 90s every day.

It is a little bit, it can be a little bit dicey.

And by the way,

Especially if you have children.

Car like yours, you can't finance it

the lowest interest rate level

that I'm talking about anyway.

But you also won't have to deal with depreciation.

So really, you're tying up the money,

but it's not as big of a deal.

And do you?

And the market's also pretty defined on cars like those.

Like I could, if I know what an SL65 is worth,

I could sell it probably for exactly the same amount

if I needed to, whatever.

What gets really interesting on new cars

is the manufacturers will buy down the interest.

So you think you're getting like a zero or 1%,

but they're kind of baking that

into the purchase price also.

Like that could have been potentially

what you negotiated off in cash.

Which makes this even murkier.

It's like, okay, am I really getting 2%

or am I just paying an extra five grand on the car

which they're buying down at least from 60 cents?

That's true and it's difficult.

A lot of unsophisticated people

even sophisticated ones have a hard time understanding that.

The real benefit is to try to get a really low rate

and negotiate the hell out of the price on the car,

which especially in today's environment,

a lot of cars, you can do that.

I did jumble on on the slur.

What?

The SLR.

I know what that is.

To use that bullying term, I financed it.

I didn't finance it, I financed it.

Okay, next question from Palaco.

Last question, Doug, you claim to listen

to more music than almost everyone.

I rarely get personal questions on the pod

and I appreciate this one.

This year is wrapping up.

What have you in the group been listening to in 25?

Oh, we gotta hear your Spotify top hits already.

I listen to more music than anyone.

All right, I have in a top 99.9% Spotify user

for the years now.

When Spotify rap shows up,

which will be in three, four weeks here,

I'll post it again.

And I will have been, again, a top user.

Actually, I'm not sure that I will this year

because I don't drive as much.

But my very favorite band is a band

from Austin called Night Traveler

and you should go listen to them.

Nick, give us your musical tastes.

I don't listen to a lot of music.

It's still the driver's era of music.

So late 90s, early 2000s.

Mostly he left everything on the field in 2004.

Really?

No effects, Pennywise, bands like that.

No use for a name, face to face.

Some 41, I've been into a lot.

Lag Wagon.

Really?

Do you drive around listening to some 41?

Yeah, they're good.

I mean, I'll sort of like that 90s punk sort of vibe.

I will go into hip hop,

that like a tribe called Quest

and things of that effect.

The last time.

That era.

I was in the car with Ken and he had jazz playing.

Steely Dan.

I do also love Steely Dan.

There are a couple of more modern bands.

Floor you introduced me to.

I absolutely love Floor.

I think I still buy a lot of music.

I've bought everything they've ever done.

And I listened, like when I run,

they're my favorite bands to listen to.

I love Floor.

Adam Dodson is another artist I discovered recently.

Formula One featured him,

like Charles Leclerc driving around the track

and it was like, it's very peaceful music.

I listen to all that too.

But jazz, I'm a modal jazz person,

so I'm a big cold train head

and I listened to a lot of stuff like that.

Have you heard the new Taylor Swift album?

No.

I haven't listened to it, but I have to.

It's so catchy.

Taylor's the best.

We all love Taylor.

To this day, I sing all too well,

the 10 minute version, loudly in the car when I'm driving.

Have you gotten into that one yet?

The 10 minute version of...

All too well.

Oh.

And he's...

Did he sing it for us?

Just hum it.

Photo album on the counter.

Yes, he's turning red.

You know, I'm not embarrassed.

Okay, we gotta move on.

I think we can do one more,

one more question if there is one more question.

Yeah, last one.

CX-9er, what was the worst downgrade

from a particular model from one generation to the next?

For example, E39 to E60 or C2 to C3?

Those are it.

C2 to C3 is tough.

That's a bad one.

That was it.

How about any two NSX to the...

E38 to E65 was worse than E39 to E60.

That's a great one.

E05 NSX to the new NSX is pretty...

Although I liked the new NSX, but the E05 was God.

Well, and there also was, you know, 15 years gap there.

If you talk about a third gen NSX,

that's what you're talking about.

No, let's see.

Old Defender to new.

Thought about that.

Trying to think.

I wanted to do an exotic car, but...

S4, how about when they went from the V8 to the Super 6?

Yeah, I stuck the other one.

I don't mind that guy.

I had to support if it was fun.

C63 is a tough one,

the twin-term of V8 to the new.

C63 is one of the great mess-ups.

What about 993 to 996?

Yeah, I mean, I don't agree with that.

I love the 996, but a lot of Porsche people

would probably support that.

To be honest, I think that the 993 to 996 transition

was an improvement from a driving perspective.

The 996...

I still look at 996 turbos a lot.

It just, there's phenomenal values.

I like how they look.

I'm with you.

I think the 993 is so cool and so analog, whatever,

but like the 996 was faster.

It's tighter.

It's more stable.

It handles better.

Like it has all these benefits,

but the interior is worse

and nobody likes how it looks.

And of course, you lose.

They are cold.

And so there's a lot of that stuff.

I think now it has more of a charm.

There's a subsect of die-hard fans

who like the way the 996 looks.

So it really is the only 911

that looks really different,

I think, to the other ones.

Like the 993 does look different

than the 996-4 and the G-Buy before that,

but the 996 is a dramatic departure.

And then the 997 looks more contemporary.

I mean, the market also,

it's not just the market.

The market is pretty clear.

993 turbos are like 250

and 996 turbos are like 60.

But nonetheless, I think the 996 is underrated.

Anyway, what are other cars that really they messed up?

How about the SL facelift?

The one, the one?

The R2, yeah.

The R2 30.3, yeah.

The R09, that was tough.

That was a bad, yeah.

But that wasn't as bad as the stuff we're talking about.

Sticking with the C63.

I think that's probably the one to me.

That and the C2.

C2 to C3.

I can't think of any other bad ones.

Can you?

Any other really?

I was trying to figure out what came before

the 612 Scagglieri and Ferrari,

hoping it was the 550.

It was the 456.

So that's not that bad.

Ferrari in that four-seater realm.

That lineage just sucked.

It has always kind of sucked,

but it has always gotten a little better.

The old four-seater stuff was bad

and the 400 wasn't exactly great,

but then it got a little better,

the 456 and the 612 and the FF.

Yeah, all those are progressively better cars,

definitely.

Now that I learned that John Temerri

and Lamborghini has a V8 and not a V10,

the Huracan, the Temerrian is a little tough.

Not the worst.

We were there for the launch at Quill.

We saw it.

They told us this.

They were listening to the motor size.

Yeah, that's what you listened to.

Hey, how about for you when the Explorer went

from a body on frame with a V8

down to a little unibody six-four cylinder turbo thing?

Nah.

I love the new Explorer.

I think it's great.

Those are our answers.

E3 1865 might actually be the worst one.

Yeah, that was a,

I remember hearing that in 01

is that the theory was being discontinued

was one of the best sales years for the car

because everybody saw the new one.

Although 02 was up.

Sales increased for the E65,

but I think time has proven that to be a bad redesign

more than anything else.

Like the 01 is still beloved and an 02 E65,

that Aztec and those are the same level of common.

I mean, serious, like there are no original E65s.

Everyone you see is a facelift

and even then you're not seeing them that much anymore.

No, that's true.

You don't get up behind the other day

and I thought to myself,

this is actually leaving the SLR party.

I thought to myself, this is the last time

I ever gonna see one of these randomly on the street

an 11 335 D.

Wow. Yeah, you don't really see those.

Those are great cars.

They're cool.

Torque.

They were auto only, but I thought to myself,

I will never see another one of these randomly.

I bet it had been years since the last one.

Yeah.

This is it.

Yeah, that's a good point.

You don't really see that

that area diesel BMW much anymore.

Yeah.

And E70s.

Like you don't see X5 diesel

from that generation, not much either.

Yeah.

It's harder to know because it's on the side,

but that 335 D badge.

I'm like, that was a cool car.

It gave you like real fuel economy in range,

but like pretty good performance too.

Yeah.

Okay, that's our pod.

You got any parting words here, Nick?

No.

Best pod we've ever done.

Go to Kenan's YouTube channel.

Six of them.

I haven't seen the video yet.

I'm incredibly excited to do that.

What is it launching?

I know.

It's launching yesterday.

I can't believe you don't give your friends

a sneak peek.

Because it'll be great.

I'll send it to you later.

Before Nick posts a video on his channel,

he sends it to us and says,

do I need to edit out anything inappropriate from this?

I know that I do.

Can someone watch this?

I've been making videos for a while and I've got it.

I appreciate you letting us see the car

well before like a month ago when you've had it probably.

Two weeks, but yeah.

It feels like a month.

What, you expect me to hide it for two weeks?

Well, Doug almost leaked it on his Instagram page,

instagram.com.

He didn't tag me.

All good.

Now we're all excited.

All right, that's our podcast.

Nick, pleasure.

Thank you for being here.

Nick will also be here next week.

Flippo's in Japan.

And he's been sending us crazy pictures of stuff

like Japanese cars.

Well, it's crazy how the pictures

help poorly frame there.

He's not a good photographer at all.

Some of the worst photos I've ever seen.

Take some picture lessons.

He's not gonna watch this.

Pleasure.

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