Ferrari Breaks the Rules Again, ZR1X Performance Shock, and Has Porsche Lost Its Way?
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Ferrari Breaks the Rules Again, ZR1X Performance Shock, and Has Porsche Lost Its Way?
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Term
full throttle
Full throttle means pushing the gas pedal all the way to make the car go as fast as it can.
Car
BMW E46
The BMW 3 Series is a popular car that is fun to drive and comfortable for daily use. The E46 version is especially loved because it looks great and handles well, so many people dream of owning one.
Car
BMW M3
The BMW M3 is a sportier and faster version of the regular 3 Series. The E46 M3 is famous for being really fun to drive, but some versions of it might not be as good as others.
Car
Honda S2000
The Honda S2000 is a small, sporty convertible that is fun to drive because it can go very fast and handles really well. It's also known for being reliable.
Term
AP1
AP1 is the name for the first version of the Honda S2000 made between 1999 and 2003. It has a very high-revving engine and a specific look with fixed headlights.
Term
AP2
AP2 is the name for the second version of the Honda S2000 made from 2004 to 2009. It has a slightly different engine and updated looks compared to the first version.
Term
redline
Redline is the fastest your car's engine can spin without breaking. The first S2000 can spin faster than the second one before it needs to slow down.
Car
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
The Mazda Miata is a small, fun convertible car that is easy to drive and really enjoyable, especially on twisty roads. It's popular because it's simple but very fun.
Part
steering rack
The steering rack helps turn the car's wheels when you turn the steering wheel. A quicker one means the car turns faster and feels more lively.
Car
Mazda Miata
The Mazda Miata is a small sports car that is easy and fun to drive. It feels light and lets you slide the car a bit, making driving exciting and enjoyable.
Term
roadster
A roadster is a small car with two seats and no roof or a removable roof, made for fun driving and feeling the wind.
Car
Lotus Elise
The Lotus Elise is a small, light sports car from Britain that is really fun to drive because it handles corners very well. People waited a long time to get it in the US.
Car
Lotus Exige
The Lotus Exige is a small and very light car made for driving fast on race tracks. There are many versions with different levels of power.
Term
V6 engine
A V6 engine is a type of car engine with six cylinders shaped like a V. It helps the car have good power and run smoothly.
Car
Lotus Emira
The Lotus Emira is a new sports car that is light and fast, designed to be fun to drive while looking modern and stylish.
Concept
special editions
Special editions are special versions of cars made in small numbers to celebrate something cool, like a race or anniversary. They usually look or perform a bit differently to make them special.
Concept
dealer network
A dealer network is all the car shops that officially sell and fix a certain brand of cars in an area.
Concept
market-specific power tuning
Sometimes car makers make cars a bit different for different countries, like making them less or more powerful.
Brand
Tony Karts
Tony Karts are special racing go karts made by a company called Tony. They are fast and used in serious go kart races.
Concept
electric go karts
Electric go karts are small racing cars that run on batteries instead of gas. They can be very fast and are quieter than gas ones.
Concept
go kart racing
Go kart racing means driving small, simple race cars called go karts. It's a fun way to learn how to race, but it's different from racing big cars because go karts don't have parts like springs to make the ride smooth.
Term
suspension
Suspension is the part of a car that helps it ride smoothly over bumps and keeps the wheels touching the road so the car drives better and safer.
Term
camber
Camber means how much the wheels tilt inward or outward when looking from the front or back of the car. Changing this helps the car turn better or wear tires more evenly.
Car
BMW M2
The BMW M2 is a small, fast car that is fun to drive and easy to handle. Newer versions have better grip because they have all-wheel drive.
Term
0-60 time
0-60 time is how fast a car can go from stopped to 60 miles per hour. It shows how quickly the car can speed up.
Term
rear-wheel drive
Rear-wheel drive means the back wheels make the car move. This can make it harder to drive in snow or rain.
Car
BMW Z4
The BMW Z4 is a small convertible car that is fun to drive and can come with a stick shift, making it more exciting for drivers.
Car
BMW X3
The BMW X3 is a medium-sized SUV that is comfortable and fun to drive. It's good for families or people who want a car that can do many things.
Concept
EV
An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. It’s quiet and doesn’t pollute the air like regular cars.
Car
Porsche Boxster
The Porsche Boxster is a sporty car you can drive with the roof down. It shares many parts with the Cayman but is made for people who want to enjoy driving outside.
Car
Porsche Cayman
The Porsche Cayman is a sporty car with the engine placed in the middle, which helps it drive really well. It's a bit cheaper than the famous 911 but still very fun to drive.
Car
Ferrari 430 Scuderia
The Ferrari 430 Scuderia is a special, faster version of a Ferrari that is made for racing and driving on tracks. It's different from other Ferrari cars because it's lighter and quicker.
Concept
hybrid
A hybrid car has both a gas engine and electric motors working together to make the car faster or use less fuel.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and powerful car from the USA that many people love because it goes really fast in a straight line and looks cool.
Term
electric cars
Electric cars run on batteries and electric motors instead of gasoline, and they can be very fast.
Car
Porsche Carrera T
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very fast and special car with a big engine. It's rare and many people want one because it looks cool and drives great.
Term
option packages
Option packages are extra features or add-ons you can choose when buying a car, like special seats or fancy wheels, but they usually cost more money.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part that helps a car's engine make more power by pushing extra air inside. This makes the car faster without needing a bigger engine.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a big, fancy SUV that helped Porsche make more money and reach more people. It drives well for an SUV and has a sporty feel.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that looks unique and drives really well. It's been around a long time and many people think it's one of the best sports cars.
Car
Porsche 918 Spyder
The Porsche 918 Spyder is a very fast and special car that uses both a gas engine and electric motors. It was hard to buy because it was very expensive and rare.
Car
BMW M5
The BMW M5 is a fast and comfortable car that looks like a regular sedan but has a lot of power and special features to make driving exciting.
Term
value retention
Value retention means how much money a car keeps when you sell it later, instead of losing a lot of its price.
Car
Ford Flex
The Ford Flex is a big car that can fit a lot of people and stuff inside. It looks different from other cars and is good for families.
Car
Ferrari Luce
The Ferrari Luce is a new or special Ferrari car with a powerful engine. Not much is known yet, but it's expected to be very fast and fancy.
Car
Ferrari F355
The Ferrari F355 is a fancy sports car from the 1990s that looks amazing and is fun to drive because it has a powerful engine and a manual gearbox.
Car
Audi Rs6
The Audi RS6 Avant is a fast and powerful car that looks like a station wagon, so it can carry a lot but still go very fast.
Car
Porsche 550S
The Porsche 550 Spyder is an old, small race car from the 1950s that was very fast and light. It's famous because a movie star used to drive one.
Car
BMW 550S
The BMW 5 Series is a comfortable and nice car that many people use for work or family. It drives well and has lots of features.
Car
Corvette 06
The Corvette is a fast and powerful car from America that many people like because it is cheaper than some fancy sports cars but still very quick.
Car
Buick Grand Sport
The Buick Gran Sport is a powerful car made by Buick that has a big engine. It is strong but usually doesn't come with a stick shift.
Concept
aftermarket development
Aftermarket development means making or adding parts to a car that didn’t come from the company that built the car originally.
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So on today's show, we're gonna be talking about three different topics. We're gonna be talking about what did you do in cars this week?
We're going to be talking about obviously automotive news
I just gave you a little indication what might be that on all of our minds segment three
We're gonna talk about something boom boom boom very controversial has porceloss this way
It's a 20-year cycle of porceloss basically falling on its sword repeating itself and segment four assuming we have time
We're gonna talk about this or that and today's question is
You have by the way guys
I don't know if you noticed by how to change this question a bunch of times
You have to choose your forever car a sports car that you can grow old with or in our all three of our cases older
It is your only sports car. You will never sell it
What one car would you choose present two options and we all vote on this or that so without any further delay Blair and shenu
Welcome back to full throttle talk and let's go
Thank you. I'm glad to be here. All right. Let's have a lot of fun today. All right, so let's get into it guys
What did you guys do in cars this week? What what excited you?
What's the thing? What was the high point automotive of your week this week?
Well, maybe I'll start I
It's a little cold here in Salt Lake, but we've had some mild winter weather
and a buddy of mine one of the great things about the car community to me is that we all have
Cars that we either are curious about we've always wanted to drive
We're thinking about buying or we've always kind of hated and want to see if we're right or wrong or how we feel about that particular car
So I had a buddy approach me and say, you know what e46 m3s have always been a
Dream car of mine, and I've only driven a convertible SMG kind of them. I
Hate to say the dog of the e46 m3 lineup, but maybe the least
Because I have a story about that later. I'll bring up
For those of you with e46 m3 convertibles SMG. Hey, I get it
We all have our thing and I have owned a convertible e46
But this particular one is he said I would love to drive your car
So my buddy came over this past week. He has a AP to s2000 and if you can
Tip for tat a little bit. I'll scratch your back you scratch mine
That that's what we did. So I took his s2000 out beautiful day. He took my e46 m3
We did a nice 20 30 minute drive took a couple of pictures
I've got it posted up in in my backdrop there. So
That's what I did had a great drive in a Honda s2000, which I will never turn down the opportunity to do
You can't just leave it at that. So how was the s2000? I've never driven one. She knew if you driven one
I have they're great. I think they're one of the great sports cars of our time
Designed I designed in Marysville, Ohio by the way, and I know that because when they were designing that car
Julie and I were selling real estate nearby. So there you go. So describe it. What was it like Blair?
Well, there's two variations of the s2000 the first generation was which is known as the AP one
Little I prefer those frankly I've driven both those and the AP two
I think the AP one went from two year 2000 to 2003 and I had the AP two from 0 4 to 0 8
So we're actually talking about the same time frame
I mean, these are two of the same generation
Performance enthusiast cars, which is very cool to to to drive them back to back
The AP two is great revs to 8,000 RPMs. I mean, it's just a buzzy
Buzzsaw of a car a little car
Small I love roadsters and the shifter is perfection. So compared to it compared to a Miata. Oh
Well, I'm gonna go with the AP one, which is more of my preference and
Every AP one revs to 9 grand. It's got a quicker steering rack than the AP two
Little scarier
Dynamically, I think they improved a lot in the AP two and added more torque, but it compared to a Miata
less
Care less like jovial and fun
It the Miata you want to get in and just start sliding around you get you get a little body weight transfer
You it's just hilarious. It's whimsical
Whereas an AP one or a AP two s 2000 little more of an edgy hardcore
Got got this kind of let's go ring me out and push me kind of vibe
So I think I would tell somebody well, what do you want? Do you want hilarious fun?
I might say Miata fits that bill more if you want
Fun yes, but a little more edge a little more hardcore in your face engine
That's an s 2000 you you a concussion you or would you throw a lot?
Yeah, I mean listen Honda is a company that is known for their engines
They happen to wrap cars and motorcycles and planes around these things, you know
But they're really an engine company first and that engine in an s 2000
You know one of the jewels of our lifetime, you know, absolutely wonderful wonderful engine that first version of the s 2000
The rear suspensions a little bit more dynamic, you know a little bit looser. So it's certainly
Scared out, you know a bunch of people and they kind of tamed it down in the second version
But you know arguably a wonderful driver's car, you know to me a sports car a roadster is like the
Classic, you know form factor of a sports car. So I kind of feel like that's 2000 kind of nailed it
How is it that never has fallen in your crosshairs for your business? I can't you don't that wasn't one of your cars
You focused on was it? Yeah, no, it really wasn't interestingly enough. I mean we I
Had been waiting for the Lotus Elise since the 90s
So when that car yeah, I mean when that car finally they said they're bringing one to the States
I said, all right, I've got to have that car
I mean that is exactly what I wanted and so I was just so singularly focused on the Lotus Elise and
Waiting for years my deposit was with the Lotus deal for years before it finally, you know, it showed up in November of 2004
Yeah, we did miss the s 2000
You know, but you know wonderful car love that thing and I'm so glad they brought it
I was teasing you prior to the record today that we need to definitely do a show focus on Lotus
Maybe we do that next week, you know focus all of our questions on that because
Even if you go Lotus exige forward, there's so many cool variants as to s 240 s 260
What's that crazy-ass race car thing that has well, I want I want a v6 cup. That's what I want to drive. Yeah, exactly
Cup is wonderful. There's you know, you might be thinking of the 211
No, no, no, the crazy one looks like an erector set has no doors. You have to step into it. No roof. Oh, yeah
So the the 340 are yeah that one awesome car awesome car, you know absolutely influence for us
But the pinnacle of crazy that they produced was called the 311
So basically a v66 z with an old roof step in car
Wonderful car
What a great brand lots of ups and downs
Amazing, you know amazing brand. What so what did you do in cars this week? What stands out in your mind?
Oh, by the way, if you're watching us on you or if you're not watching us on YouTube
We do put up pictures behind ourselves
But if you're just listening to us behind Blair is a picture of a beautiful e46 and these s 2000
And of course she knew it's gonna bring a picture of a lotus to tease all of us and not just any lotus either
So go ahead sir. Yeah, so this past week we we've we've finished up some tuning on a lotus emira
So there's a new variant of the emira that has the AMG four cylinder
So we managed to get into that ECU unlock it and tune it and we've made
Significant amount of power. So super excited about that. You know that that engine once it fully gets uncorked
It's gonna be the performance, you know variant to have
So that was pretty pretty exciting, you know that that car looking for it. Actually, it's a client's car
He's gonna be picking it up tonight
So I'm looking forward to getting feedback from him because he's he's he's on the car for over a year
So it'd be great for him to get in it and give us some some good feedback
So that was for me probably the biggest, you know fun fact, you know, we we bought a
1996 Miata a couple weeks ago and so happened to get that thing smogged and registered. So that car is getting all prepped
We did a bunch of service on it. So that'll be available. You know, I'm calling it our our modern low-to-sea lawn
So excited about that as well. Did you guys hear about the emira and well only in Australia that's got 500 horsepower
What's the story with that? I think I sent you guys a link for that one. Yeah. Yeah, the bathurst edition
So, yeah, you know again smart stuff, you know, the importer there in Australia
They decided to make a variant for themselves
Effectively to just generate buzz and excitement and that's exactly what manufacturers should be doing
I think in this case, it was probably prompted by their importer to create a variant that would be, you know
celebrate one of their great racetracks and
Create some buzz around the car to get people excited and when you do that, you know, like these special editions whether
you know, it's a speciale or
Scuderia or you know, an ST or R or whatever that you think these are wonderful smart strategies and
Just I'm clear that was a dealer that essentially the Australian network
I essentially modified that car. It was a that's it wasn't an official
It was official Lotus product, but only because of that dealer network
So I'm not 100% sure if they modified it
I think it was done with with Lotus, you know, hand-in-hand and
They must have, you know, convinced Lotus. Hey, look, we'll buy 15 of these and
Here's what we'd like to do with it
And you know, Lotus is always keeping a few things in their hip pocket when it comes to their cars
You know, that's why there was an S220 and an S240 and an S260 exige
And so on these AMG powered cars, there's several variants that I'm sure they're just tuning variants that they're just gonna
Uncork the power every year. Give us a little bit more power
You know, for example when they introduced that car in the UK
It made less power than the one that we actually ended up getting here in the States
So I think that's all it is
But it I think it's a smart strategy and I think it's gonna work for them to keep some buzz going, you know
Down under when we do our Lotus show probably next week
Let's all we should focus on some of the Lotus Rastomans
You and I have been, you know sharing information about that
I actually share with all you guys and I couldn't believe there's Rastomod Lotus Elise's out there S1's that are freaking like what?
250 350 grand it's making your one your your RS look even better, you know, yeah
Well as far as the price point, so maybe I made a mistake, you know, maybe I need to raise my prices. Well, I
Go ahead. I was gonna say that's probably a great time to congratulation you on a oh, yeah
I'm at Matt Farah review of that 111 RS that I had people texting me about that
He's gonna that's a thought that better be his automotive news, but let's let's move on
That better be
Tim Tim your video in your background is some go karting
So I got to hear about what what the island life on the go kart track is like
Well, I don't I mean basically a long story short. It's my dream and I
Quit go kart racing and all racing that I'm watching I'm getting mesmerized as I'm watching my own video
But I I quit all racing basically when I was in my 20s because Julie and I wanted to focus on building a business
And I always promised myself I'd get back to go kart racing and fortunately the family that basically develops our community
They have a big passion for go kart racing as well
They were gonna build this track of specifically just for their family and then someone had the bright idea
Why don't we open it up the community and that's what they did?
Long story short that is actually my daughter Zoe out there because she's getting into it as well
And we're going so we're a go kart racing family Julie and Zoe are gonna share one and I'm gonna have my own
And these go karts if you guys don't know anything about them
They're not like the types of go karts that you these are Tony karts, but they're all branded Lando Norris. They're electric
Mine's gonna have 43 horsepower. I think there's that's 34 horsepower the carts way 200 mine weighs 260 pounds
So you're talking about something that's legitimately fast
There's a straight you maybe if we watch long enough and that's Zoe. That's her first time around look at her. She's cook
Wow. Yeah, that's awesome. She's 12 look at her
That's crazy, right
Very cool. I mean, it's incredible. But in any of that, so what was that like as a dad watching? I cried honestly really?
Yeah, yeah, I cried I did
Because you can enjoy it. Well, I was totally proud of her then Julie went out and let's just say no crying there
I was super slow, but Joey's oversteering at every corner and catching it. She and I'll tell you where I was really impressed
She drove she drove it off off the track and then she just drove it right back on step and kept on doing hot laps
And if she was she was lighting the tires up coming out of the apex because these things make so much torque
You know, but anyway, they're they're real cool. Yeah, and down the back straight mine will go almost 70 miles per hour
So long story story. It's been my lifelong dream and it's in a massive
You know, I'm very happy. I guess is all I have to say about that
Of course, I could talk about it forever. Oh cool
That's yeah, but when you guys come visit us in Puerto Rico, we'll go to this private track
And you'll understand completely if you don't already. Okay here. We're coming up on the back straight. You could see her right after this tour
Sorry, I gotta teach my screens. All right, let's move on to
If when I do come I've got twin 13 year old boys, so we we need to get them out there
Yeah, no 100% and furthermore
There's some loaner carts that you guys could use and they could definitely experience it
You know, I I don't know if you guys have ever really been in anything that so go cart rate
I don't want to waste time talking about it, but long story short is go cart racing
Unlike normal motorsports racing is completely different and you can learn racing skills from go cart racing
But it doesn't directly transfer to actually racing for example, you know a real race car because there's no suspension
Not real suspension on a go cart
You can control that there are essentially you can control camber caster
You can there's a little sway bar things you can build in but there it doesn't flex the only thing
It's flexing is yourself, but these things pull such
consistent
G-forces in the turns
And I came back in after I did my hot laps
Guillermo who was running the track. He said you need to get a rib guard. He said because you're gonna fracture
Your ribs and not know it until after you're off the cart when you try to get out because the g-forces
You're pulling on both sides of your body. Okay, so does that sound fun to you sounds fun to me?
That's awesome. All right, let's move on to automotive news. All right
This has been a lot of there's a lot of on news automotive news that's come out in the last week always is so Blair
Why don't you go first? Oh
I don't want to make this a total rant, you know, here we go
But you know as you see in my in my my background picture my first automotive love is BMW
And I've read an article from AutoCard this week saying that the BMW M2
They're now gonna put the X-Drive all-wheel drive system onto the M2
and
And it's like
My first question is why I I get I get frustrated by this and and they've got plenty of
Performance cars the M3 the M4 the M8 you got the competition models
I don't understand why they can't just leave the M2 the way it is and and I
Get everybody's gonna say well you can add more power and you can actually use the power and you can launch it in
zero to 60s faster if you're
Running all four wheels, but the other thing that they're gonna say as well
rear-wheel drive limits the the ability for those for many to daily drive this car
And I just want to share to two winters ago Salt Lake City had the snowiest
Wet as winter in the history of the state of Utah. I mean it dumped snow like you would not believe and
You know it was seemingly every other day we were getting three to six inches of snow. It was unbelievable
You want to know what car I was daily driving as a commuter? I do about 2,000 miles a month
You know every single year. It was a BMW M2. It was a 2016 M2. I bought it
Like a day or two after Thanksgiving and I thought I'm gonna make this thing my daily
I'm gonna see if I can do this 2 plus 2 rear-wheel drive manual
it was the the first og m2 they call it and
This this obsession and I live in a winter climate you guys don't I know tim you've lived a variety of places
You're both from
You know originally from the midwest I believe
Are you from that midwest now?
Yeah, I'm from Detroit. Oh, I didn't realize you were born there. Wow. Okay, cool. I wasn't born there
I grew up there. I was born in India, but I grew up in Detroit. Ah good
But you know everybody says well if you're in a cold weather climate
You got to have all-wheel drive and that's one of my biggest pet peeves. You would not believe you get
I got blizzak tires
But what's the road? But Blair, what's the real reason they're doing that? They're not doing it. It's it's zero to 60 times
Exactly, they're doing it more horsepower
It's because they're changing their tune and they're getting away from their it's like the s 2000
Right the the version the first I don't remember all the nomenclature
But we were just you guys were both agreeing that the original s 2000 is the car to have versus the the upgraded or the you know
The next generation
Well, it's because what happens is that once they satisfy the very tiny niche of enthusiast buyers like you guys
then the next round are the
Opposers, dare I say and they're looking for a different experience than the original guys and they're just that's what's happening
And so that's happening with Porsche
It's it's happening with all the different manufacturers
They dump they make the cars so that more people with less skill can drive them
It has nothing to do with all the things that they claim and they get heavier and they get more luxurious
And then they start selling people detail or decal package and stick in a paint. I mean that's really what it is
And I'm okay with them having some of those variants totally if that's what somebody wants
But why not keep a variant that is different is one of my big gripes the other and this is part of why
Maybe part of the the reason some of this is happening. So I also just read we should talk about it
Maybe down the road car and driver if anybody still subscribes to that they just put out their top sports cars of 2026
One of those was the z4
m40i with the manual transmission bmw
And you know, I love car and driver they do a great job
But they put the pros and cons of each of these models that they're they're
reviewing you're talking about
one of the cons for the z4
manual
Was that there was no all-wheel drive option and I about fell out of my chair when I read that was like that is not a con
I don't understand and so when
You know, if you have if you have journalists
Bagging on these cars like an m2 or a z4 that there's no all-wheel drive option
I think well they they probably listen to that to some extent too and those guys have influence
I don't get it because those guys are those guys are placating their their masters and their masters of the
OEMs who are basically paying their salaries through ads and inviting them into wine and cheese events on you know
Exotic islands where you know all over the world. That's who their masters are. That's the right
Listen, I mean, I I'm old enough to remember e30 m3's languishing on dealer lots unsold
brand new
Right. I moved to california 26 years ago and there was a dealer in la that had an e36 m3 lightweight
Unsold, you know sitting there and so the problem is that's where these manufacturers have these experiences with these really cool great
Specialty cars and they don't sell enough when they're like, uh, you know again to tim's point
They've got to water it down for the masses that aren't as hardcore
And so I think that's effectively what they're doing gt3 the original 996 gt3's. We had one of those that same damn thing
They couldn't give those cars away
360 cs ferrari's chancer delis they couldn't give those damn things away
I mean that's it's a scuderia is for 30 scuderia now look at those cars you're doing
But I mean, yeah, it's all about it's all about the benjamins at the end of the day
So automotive news to new
So
I was glad to see that outie is still going to come out with this e-v-t-t
You know that to me is such a cool looking car and there was a lot of speculation because Porsche
Had been walking back from the whole e-v thing with their boxer which I support
But I was thinking oh, maybe this outie is going to get the ax as a result
Um, to me outies have always been a little bit more about gt a little more luxury
Less about hardcore and that that tt that I have in my backdrop there
I I love that thing. I think the styling is great and I would drive that as my daily driver
So anyways, I was kind of happy to see that thing
still, you know
Under development and going to be coming to the market
So is that an it it is an e-v or not an e-v. It's an e-v
So you're gonna do right now. Mr. Lightweight. Are you're basically signing up for to basically a okay
All right as my daily driver. I mean, I live three miles from my office. You know what I'm saying?
It's like it
This is to me that kind of perfect car
You know to drive back and forth. You think you don't really think outie that I go to so if I remember correctly
Sorry for interrupting you sir. Do you think that they're going to actually come out that car now that Porsche shelved the 718
Easy and didn't they say that there was going to be a shared platform between those two?
You think they're still coming out that thing? That's what they're saying
That's this outie ceo is saying. Hey, listen, we know Porsche are pulling back
But we are not and so I think you look
Volkswagen or outie group have made the investment in the platform and so
Probably a lot of that is all that expense has already been had and so
You know, it's it's a sunk cost at this point and they can continue to move forward because I think outie again
That's the proper positioning in my mind trying to make outie into a Porsche competitor. I think that's a mistake
There's no reason for them to do that
And I think that this is where these companies are losing their way
And I think we're going to be talking a bit more about that later in today's pod. I believe but we are yeah
I'm excited about this car. I like EVs for a daily driver
Again, it's a different tool for a different task. You know, I'm not driving my Lotus Elise every single day because
The car doesn't even get warm by the time you get to the office, you know
The only time I really drive that car is on the weekends
In the canyons on trips with friends
That's that's where that tool, you know works for that particular job in my mind
Blair, you had a question or I agree if there is a market for this type of car
I think she knew is right. It's withoutie
not with the Porsche Cayman Boxster and
Right because it is more of a GT. They are more comfortable cars
That looks spectacular in my opinion
So we'll see I uh, I won't be a buyer, but I'll like I said when I started this off
We love to share our cars and drive our friends cars. So I'll come down and
Give it a go when you buy one
So I have two little quick bites of news. First of all, um
In the Ferrari world the the pecking order has always been I'll just make it real specific about the car that I had behind me
If you guys are
Not watching us on youtube behind me is a picture of a GT 3
I'm 296 GT 3 race car
So the essence of a the way the Ferrari pecking order has always worked just using 296 as an example
Is there's the oh, I'll actually make it simpler. So look look at the back of the 488
Many of you guys know what a piece does so you had your 488 you had your 488 variants
Maybe it was a gts spider. Maybe it was a gtb burlenetta whatever and then for the select chosen few
You got option to buy a pista, right?
um
All the politics that went behind being selected to buy a pista side
We'll just say that's the way that's always worked. And so I was uh, you julien I had a pista
We were given the we have a 296 gts. We were given the option of buying a g uh, 296, uh, g
Gtb
Speciale in other words, not a spider of the
The fancier version or that, you know, the race car version of the uh, 296
I didn't want to coop. I wanted a spider and so I in my dealer is very nice and they said, well, you know, we get another gts allocate
Or you know, it's a aperta version
Uh, that's what they call it. They don't call it a speciale gts. They call it a speciale aperta
So they said if we get on their allocation, we'll offer it to you
And I'm glad I passed on it because the review started coming out and people said it isn't what it's been the speciale
Wasn't as special as the previous
You know versions of the special cars the 488 pista was completely different than the 488
The 430 scuderia, which we also had was completely different than the um, than the standard. Uh, well
Yes, completely different. I didn't have a 48 uh, 458 speciale, so I can't speak to that
Now again, so you would go with base car. Then you go to the special version. Now they have base car
Then 296 then they have the 296 speciale and now they have something above it
And that's never happened before in ferrari world. And so the speciale is no longer the really special one
It's now the middle child and being a middle child. I can tell you usually get the least amount of love and respect over time
And then
So it's hilarious
Okay, and then
Okay, blare your turn. How many kids in your family?
Oh, I have three kids. How many kids were you? You're you're well. Yeah, you oh, there's seven of us
I'm number six of seven. Okay. Well, there you go. That explains his personality. He was over a love done
It's really so nice. All right. Yes. And so now above it you have one
And it's rumored to believe it's rumored to be called the
296 challenge stradale. Who knows what it's gonna end up being called, but it's going to be more of the race car
So I don't know really how to wrap my mind around it, but I'm going to try to get one nonetheless
So that's the special version of the speciale. What does that do to the speciale?
Uh, you know buyer in terms of what does it do to the resale values on those and here's what's really interesting
The the cs version now and you can tell by looking at the spy shots. No hybrid
Okay, so they see that will be awesome. I hope they do that. I really hope they do that
But think about this to news. So they're Ferrari. This is what's interesting
Ferrari is going to come out with a genuinely lightweight car
And it's not going to have the hybrid which means it will have less horsepower than the standard
You know lower variant cars
And it's going to cost a hell of a lot more
Nobody's ever done that before and I genuinely am excited about that outside of let's just be honest lotus
No one's ever done that before they're actually saying we can sell a lower horsepower car
Because lightweight is going to make this thing so exhilarating to drive. That's exciting to me. What do you guys think?
I love it. I love it. I'm so excited to hear about that. I listen. I'm not a big fan of all these different variants
I think that's a big mistake. I think this product proliferation
That's going on with manufacturers is is out of control
That's it's a usually indication that the market's peaking, you know, but
This is what I was hoping and frankly, I would even be happier if the car would come naturally aspirated
But I think yeah that ship nailed. I think we're we're in the turbo arrow right now. So
But this is super exciting. I hope to make it lighter. You know, it's going to be wonderful. There's no question
It's a Ferrari. This will open the door to manufacturers because the Ferrari's doing it. Let's be honest Ferrari is, you know, the pinnacle, right?
So a Ferrari's doing it and they're they're not chasing horsepower anymore
They're chasing lightweight. That means the other me manufacturers might do the same thing
That to me is about the best automotive news I could come up with until
We'd now talk about automotive news number two and I'm genuinely interested in what you guys think about this today
There's news releases news reports. Finally, the press has lifted the embargo has gone
They're talking about how ridiculously fast the news the r1x says and if you guys heard the numbers
Around two seconds zero to 60, but not just it's just corvettes have always been fast in a straight line
It's actually beat the center around button willow and other tracks. So the fastest handling car
It's just ridiculous. How much this is recasting the supercar hierarchy hierarchy. I think I said it, right
What do you guys think? What do you guys think about this? How do you register with how this thing fits into the world?
well, I I personally feel like
I root for the underdog a little bit even though i'm not
I'm not naturally an american car lover
I do root for the underdog and
But what I think what strikes me more than anything about the zr1 and the zr1x is
You know most
Journalists most, you know outlets. They are starting to get critical in spite of my bmw rant that I made earlier
Getting a little more critical about the high horsepower war and I love
I hope what you said I echo what shinu said tim. I hope ferrari is going to do what you are projecting them to do
Um, but what strikes me about the zr1 and zr1x is yes, they're incredibly fast
Yes, they're incredibly competent on a racetrack. That's been proven. So the engineering behind it is
unbelievable. It's not just horsepower
but
Most of these guys that and gals that review the car
Say it's genuinely fun to drive and and so that's what has me curious where normally I might say that's cool
I like that corvette exists. I like that. They're you know showing up all the the manufacturers are making cars
five times expensive
But if they are truly genuine
genuinely fun to drive at
moderate to lower speeds
And I that's the cabinet right there. Yeah, and I've heard these things are so fizzy
But I've heard they're so fizzy. They're so like alive when you're in the car and make such phenomenal noises
That's and then if you combine that with a little bit of texture and field
That's how you make a car like this fun at a moderate speed. I would love to try it
Blair, what are you thinking? I'm sorry. She knew what are you thinking?
Oh, listen, I I think you know, you hit the nail on the head when you said at moderate speeds, okay?
That's where these cars
It'll be hard-pressed for them to be super exciting at moderate speeds. They're gonna be very exciting on the racetrack
I I'm sure of it the car is so fast when you're you know, when you're at at those speeds
it's impossible for it not to be fun and
Look look when you give general motors some targets
They can nail it that company. They're one of the largest car manufacturers the talent that they have on you know in their bench
It's it's incredible. You know, I'm excited about you know the results of this car
You know GM has no choice but to have to keep chasing the better and better numbers
And you know what they're showing the world is what they're capable of doing from an engineering perspective
And delivering the numbers. So, you know, look man, I'm super excited about it
A zero six is going to make its way into my garage as a GT
You know
And and so it's it's fun to see that I'm you know the zr1 and zr1x is is okay
It's just out to that next step and I'm not particularly interested in that personally
But I'm excited to see an american car company
You know throwing down the gauntlet gauntlet the way they've done and and I think it's it's it's gonna resonate really well
They're gonna sell a ton of them this so this the
If I are making cars I and I am Ferrari or I'm any of these other brands
And I've always one of my usp's your unique selling propositions has always been you know track times and speed
I'm a claren it doesn't matter and all of a sudden some guys in Kentucky
You know are turning out a car that costs
$235,000 whatever costs and blows bugatti varons and all the other things not even a varron
But the newest version of it. They're fast. This thing is faster than electric cars from a
marketing or from a business perspective
That tells me I'm going to be pressured to do things that are going to be different because I can't compete with that
Because if for me to make something like that
So what am I going to do? I think I'm going to go lightweight because that's where you can actually if you're a manufacturer
That's probably where you can get it over on gm because you know personally. I think that's the direction
It's going to go so I'm excited about that lightweight ultimately
Overcomes the lack of horsepower and uh over you know all the things that come with weight
You know slow ultimately makes the car feel dollar and and so if we're going to go the opposite direction
I'm all for it. So Blair. What was your automotive news?
Something about that was that that was a bmw m2 getting all-wheel drive. Hooray. Okay. Good. I can't wait for that
You're excited about that. Did we go through all the automotive news? I think we did. Oh, no, she knew
I did yeah, no, I think we did. I mean we
I think we kind of talked a bit about too many variants is my opinion
I so I think
I think we're all nervous to get to the next section because we know we're going to get a lot of hate for it
But let's go
all right
Well, and maybe to bridge these together
uh rodentrax performance car of the year
Named the zr1 their their car of the year and it was in direct competition with
What I might call the best car currently on sale. Hold that. Let me let me let me read the question
Okay, so they know what we're talking about
So the segment three has porced lost its way has porced lost its way is the 20 year
I got this 20 year cycle from chris harris by the way
Is the 20 year cycle repeating itself where porced seems to hit hard times about every 20 years and then rebuilds and comes out with brilliant cars
so um
Go ahead Blair with what you were saying you want to pick up right where your notes are and first of all
Do you agree do you agree with the premise that porches lost its way?
And you don't obviously have to we can debate it and because this is going to be something that the call to porches
Definitely not going to like us saying anything remotely negative about porcia
Well to be fair to porcia and I said a little bit of this last week. I think
They have a really hard task right now and I don't
I try to not be too
ignorant to what they're having to deal with from a regulatory environment and that's the first
So yes, I do think they're losing their way and they're losing me
which is really sad and I think the the
Car enthusiasts as at large are going to become disenchanted with what they're doing and how they're doing it
But but I will say in support of them is this regulatory environment for the automotive industry
Has seemed to be a complete nightmare to work in you know, if you have
I had a buddy tell me well, no EVs are coming and combustion engines will be banned
Because why because europe california and new york have said so and and it's like okay, I get it
That's compelling enough, but here we are. It was supposed to happen. That was a ban on new car sales
and and
Whether I like it or not. That's what california the EU and and new york have decided is the future
So these guys all start working with that in mind. They
Pull the
You know, they they so that's where I support these guys
And what I will still say in support of portion before I ran to a little bit
I do still think they make the best modern sports car and that's you know, the car that I put up behind me
Which is the new gt3? I would take a gt3 personally over a zr1x
I I haven't driven a zr1x. So I like a manual the fact that they're still building
The the uh, you know traditional naturally aspirated manual transmission
Track toy is
With huge engagement is awesome. And they're obviously making some really cool special editions. So
that all being said
Porsche has lost their way in a number of ways and I think first and foremost for me
Is pricing is absurd for what you're getting in my opinion and number one
I look at the base entry-level Carrera, which I think they're calling the Carrera t
You go look for those things. They're
880 grand msrp
You want a interesting color? You go to the configurator. They're gonna
They want to give you nothing but gray scale colors
And make you pay up for it. You want guards red? It's 1600 bucks. It's oh really guards red
I thought that was it used to be a standard color. It's not. Yeah guards red is 1600 dollars go to the corvette
Go to the bmw configurator. You name it. Isle of man green. You want orange? You want purple?
600 bucks for bmw. It's free or
Included in the cost for a corvette. It's flair open up. Yeah open up chat on zoom
Okay, okay got it. What what do you think you should do?
Yeah, listen, man. I I think too many variants. I think Porsche are
It's peak Porsche right now and they need to pull back. I think there's far too many variants
What is a 20 different?
9 11 variants. I love 9 11. It's one of my absolute favorite cars
I've had a picture of a 73 rs on my wall since the mid 90s and so
Look, I love the 9 11's. I'd love to see them pull that back a little bit
I'd love to see them bring an entry level price. That's a little bit more reasonable
Yeah, I'm with Blair. I think you know thinking that a t is getting 180 000 car seems simply too much and so
I think they've got to be careful that they they lose some cachet by having too many things out there and their prices are running
You know completely out of out of whack, you know, look they they they are still
You know a a company that has shareholders and they have to make profits, right?
So they're looking for that but I think if you spread yourself out too much
You know, I think you start to lose some of that desirability and I would love to see them pull that back a little bit
What if you guys turn the ai on the spreadsheet and so it's translating everything we're saying transcribing everything we're saying
So if you look at the newsletter or the uh spreadsheet and
It's toffee little bit of a conniption. Well, so here's the ultimate problem in my mind
That you have with Porsche is that Porsche is being rewarded for producing more option packages
And not being rewarded
It's the same problem we talked about with the m2 and all these other manufacturers
It's even the original Honda s2000 if a manufacturer is trying to chase margin
They're going to obviously do more accessories and more decal packages and more things of that nature
And it seems to me that's the direction that Porsche is going
Versus like here just let's just put it this way. So the new gt3
is turbocharged
The gt3 has always been a motorsports engine like the parts were transferable if you put a if you put a
Yeah, the g any rs
You know you put them up on lifts and you the parts are the part numbers are the same between the motorsports variants in the street version
Is that new gt3 rs motor with the turbocharged? Is that a motorsports motor? It's not
I there is no motorsports motor that I know of that has a turbo unless they're going to start making it
So that means they're stepping away from another core usp
And that kind of is frightening in my mind because Tim
I mean I would argue just like they had to move to water cooling because of racing right more power and all the cooling that they needed
They had to move away from air cool to water cool
I think the turbos are the probably the only way they're going to stay competitive on track
Is adding a power adder like a turbo in order for them to compete with a zr1 for example in endurance racing at a very high level
Well, I think don't the f1 cars have turbocharged engines. Yeah, yeah tiny little one where see
Yeah, they do they tiny little turbocharged motors, but I mean i'm not saying a turbo is a bad thing
I'm just saying one of the usp is that you always had it as an rs
Porsche owner was the fact that it had essentially a race motor in it. You can't say that anymore
It's not a motor sports motor unless something changes and and I guess that's fine
Most people like we were talking before won't care. It's faster
All of a sudden now the gt3 rs isn't that much slower than a zr1 and people are going to be happy about that
It goes back to try to make something for the masses and people would rather chase numbers than chase experience
So maybe i'm wrong, but we'll have to see you guys. Are anything else to think about this or any other thoughts about this
I think it's I think they're being led by racing, you know and trying to win
I think that's where the turbos are coming into play
I mean, I I think they're being led by shareholders at this point and and some and some bad decisions and
You know, you they talk you we know that the 986 boxster was one of the cars that like saved Porsche
I get it the cayenne was right there too, but and then they decided they're going to pull the 718
Came in boxster, which was the entry-level car one that I actually think is better than most 911s. Yes. I said that but
it's
You know and the reason they gave for pulling that car was not
Because emissions and cafe standards and whatever they said it was a cyber security issue
so I think
That that is that is a big mistake, but they're going to bring it back with an ev this is them trying to find ways to
You know innovate and I think they've done it
Poorly that was one example of why not just keep going with your entry-level mid-engine car
And I don't think no matter how much you innovate that car
And even it became more high-performance than the 9 11
I don't think the 9 11 will ever not be the halo most aspirational car for all enthusiasts
That it's it's the icon. It is the greatest so they could have kept
Developing the 718 in my opinion and given
You know entry-level enthusiasts younger buyers a way in besides a hundred eighty thousand dollar Carrera t that you're going to get in gray
It's like so if all the Porsche's you guys I'm sure will agree that the Carrera t is the definite
Probably arguably the best variant because the others have gotten so expensive and that's just a list
You know you add on all the extras. I'm not sure if I can wrap my mind around amid 300s
Uh gt3 rs and they didn't it's not like those things are scarce. They made a mess of those cars
How those things hold up long term. I don't know I think what I I don't remember the exact production numbers but the gt
992, you know rs
What five thousand six thousand of those things that's a lot. It may be even more. I don't think anyone knows yet
So here nor there
Well, chris harris made a comment that I thought was so fascinating and I've been thinking about he said on his podcast
Is that the gt3 should be the standard 9 11 and he did my question is what what what does he mean by that?
Because those are 300 000 cars. That's right. Yeah, exactly. So that is
Yeah, if they're all if they're all turbocharged, which they're all turbocharged now
Don't you think the minimum level of experience should be essentially what you get from a gt3?
I mean that's what essentially was I mean shoo you said it earlier. I want you to talk about that about that
What's the danger? I mean of having too many variants because there are dozens of you know 9 11 variants right now
Is is just confusion people don't know what the hell they're getting
Yeah, I think there's market confusion certainly you're trying to fill all these little segments
You know and all these little specialized, you know customers
But I think there's a cost associated with that
These are all different part numbers from a manufacturing complexity from a dealer complexity
There's a lot of real cost that they're incurring that they may not really fully realize
And so I feel like yeah, they should pull back
I think even like what we haven't really talked about is and we kind of touch on it
But you know a 9 11 turbo used to be the top level gt if you will or it was you know, that was the car
Now when even the a Carrera t has a turbo on it
It's not the branding now. It's kind of falling away. How about the tycon turbo?
I know ridiculous. I that I couldn't understand that whatsoever
Well, it's it's like I always tell my kids
I wouldn't be so hard on you guys if I didn't think you had potential, you know, you know
You know, you don't yell at the kid on the I coach their basketball team. I don't yell at the kids who you know
They don't quite have it in them. It's like
Everybody wants Porsche to be great. We all love the brand
It's like and that's what's so frustrating about this and this is why I consider buying a 718
Boxster 4 liter is
Because that they were still making a naturally aspirated motor
Up up until like what six 12 months ago and
That was the entry level gt3 in my opinion. You want to hear something crazy?
So I had a 992 gt3
Touring okay, and it was pts interior. You know, I forget what the actual Porsche determines for the interior
Exterior interior the whole thing. Okay. I had one of the first allocations. I got it from a vip friend of mine
Long story short, I didn't like it and now I had a
991.2
Touring and I like that car but between both of them
I now have a 718 spider rs and I will never sell the 718 spider rs. So I'm with you Blair
I think the 718 platform is fantastic and you stick that gt3 motor in it and you stick the pdk s transmission in it
That experience it's a new have you ever driven one of those cars that the spider
Okay, yeah, they're so cool. I really like that car quite a bit
Yeah, it's bonkers right and people bitch about it being too loud. I'm like, okay. It's not for you move on
You know and the crazy ass the crazy ass pop-up tent top. I mean, but it's incredible
Um, yeah, so I think that's where our Porsche it
The other thing it's really troubling and might just this is a silly thing perhaps but the new 992s are so freaking big
Yeah
It's a whale. Why does nobody say that because they're worried about hurting somebody's feelings
I want Porsche's feelings to be hurt
I wanted them to go back to making light cars that made him special in the first place get back to what made him incredible
And stop chasing these
The the weights and the sizes stop trying to appeal to everybody. I mean, that's
You know, that's a mini rant Blair motivated me. What are you guys thinking?
No, I'm sorry
Now's the time for them to kind of, you know
Wean off of all these variants and just make a handful of really special cars
Agreed offer a good lineup of
Performance cars and then every couple years come out with a variant like an r or an st or a safari
I think that would be a good strategy pull back right now a little bit
Get people, you know, I look I think Porsche is a great company
And I think just like anything else when you drink too much you get a bit drunk
Right and I kind of feel they're a bit drunk right now
On all the excesses that they've been able to enjoy these last 10 years
But you know, look when they had the 918 they were having a hard time selling them
Okay, they really were having a hard time selling those cars
And one of the incentives that they came up with is if you buy this you're going to get access to all of our special cars
Right and that allowed people to get the r's and the sts and the safaris and everything else
They were first on the list. So
You know, they've seen difficult times, you know, now you can't even imagine, you know, if they came out with a 918
You know successor that you you it should sell out instantly nowadays, right?
But yeah to the point of Chris Harris saying every 20 years they they're going through this issues
And I think I kind of feel like right now they're at that moment again
Yeah
I hope they like their wounds fast and get back to what they're best at, you know
That would be wonderful
And maybe frankly with Ferrari coming out with their top tier
Mid-engine sports car being focused on weight
That's going to give Porsche permission to no longer give a rat's ass about the fact that the zr1x, you know, is faster than it
You know, because it out horsepowers it and then get back to lightweight
That's I think exhilarating the possibilities that are near futures going to hold for us
Blair you're about to say something
Yeah, no, I was just I was just looking for a little more perspective on Ferrari, you know and and
How Porsche is starting to feel like Ferrari and when I think about that I think yeah
Paint the sample used to be something rare. It used to be something very special
And now I think well what what they're doing is
It feeling like you're they're trying to
Move everybody heard everybody towards paint a sample by stripping out all the interesting colors
Or they're you know gt3s to your point those used to be
And again, I love it. I think it's the best car sold today personally
but
It's there's so many of those things they built and so many for sale
You mean the pts. Yeah the pd. You know
Go ahead. They want you they're building ton of gt3s now
So they're gonna water down their best product go go do a search
See how many are for sale 992s and then everybody it's like if you don't have pts
You don't have anything. So I have a question for you. Okay, two first of all
You guys knew who has the best pts out there who has the best paint to sample of all the oems
Who Cadillac
Really? Yeah, the black wing you can go in and I didn't know about this until we went to a car
We classed here
We went to this Cadillac display the the cts whatever the heck it is the suit and one that
Competits for the m5 if you go to you can actually spec
A billion different colors way more than ports of pts and the interior. How crazy is that? Nobody does it, but it's fantastic
Yeah, now she's gonna get but is that what ferrari did to water water down when you're critical of another brand you love tim ferrari
Is that I'm less familiar with what they've done to
You know frustrate
The ferrari experience is not anything like
Anything any other brand that when the the ferrari experience as a customer is
Let me just put it this way
Let me ask in a form of a question if all the sudden Porsche started depreciating if gt3 has lost 20 or 30 percent of their value
In the first two or three years. What would happen to the Porsche mystique chenille? What do you think?
Yeah, it's gonna plummet
Right. What do you think Blair? It's a simple, you know, what's gonna happen? Absolutely. Okay. Yeah
So how much of the
Porsche mystique is tied to value retention?
And if that goes away and like how many other attributes do we assign to a gt3?
Because they're solid buys and you won't lose your ass on them financially
And if that is no longer the case, would you would you all of a sudden start saying?
Well, you know what? It's only 510 horsepower. You know, would you start being a little bit more objective?
So how much of our opinions about that product are colored by the fact that they've been retaining value?
And what happens if that stops happening?
What do you guys think? I'm gonna buy one if it does because
Exactly
True enthusiasts will buy them exactly
Like what do you think Blair? I'm sorry chenille
You know, listen, I think as long as Porsche continue to race and support racers
Okay, especially these gentlemen racers
That's going to keep the values and the perceived values of their cars high
But if you make too many of them, yeah, I mean they they need to borrow from enzo's playbook
You know make one less car than there is a client and and I think they should pull back frankly
Because I think they are going in the wrong direction. I think that you're going to see those gt3s depreciating pretty pretty aggressively
And I think you're going to see a lot of marginal, you know, overlevered buyers
They're going to bail on those you're going to see more coming to the market
Um, and frankly, I think a lot of unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective of the new rs buyers
Were ones that weren't really car people. They're buying them maybe for the you know
The the flex factors the kids like to say and those are going to come to the market soon
But we'll have to see how that all works out a quick question about for a since Blair brought that up
Uh, the ferrari suv for $500,000. Let's say what do you guys think?
Is that the same way?
Yeah, no, no, no the first sangue is the v12. They're coming out this new one called the luce. Oh, yeah
Yeah, luce, luce. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right the johnny ives interior thing. Let's just say beautiful design
Awesome ferrari nails it all that's good. Who's buying one of those?
Who's who tell me who the buyer is I I'd want to pure a sangue. It's what I would want. Yeah, I mean, what do you think?
Yeah, I mean, look if you live in london and you want to drive around the city center
You know, you have to have an ev nowadays, you know, and if you're you're wealthy
I think that's who's going to buy these things
Urban dwelling very wealthy people who want to have something that they can drive
Where you know in town and be seen
so it
Amongst my ferrari friends and I've been buying ferrari since I was 30 and I'm now
56 next month, which is hard to say
But I'll say that I do not know to a person any of my ferrari friends that want to buy one not a person
nobody
Well, they're making they're making such a huge deal about this interior, which I do think is kind of cool, but like
that that's now
The the selling point. I mean, that's that's scary to me that the interior
Matters seemingly more than but this this is what I'm getting at
So if you have the value
And this is going back to what you asked Blair
So if you've got ferrari's have always held their value
Right and they you could make money if not just get out without losing money on it. That's no longer true
Okay, and now you have the ev coming on online and I'm not really sure what that's going to no noise out of a ferrari
That seems to me like that's a major usp
All of these are a step too far and I think the ferrari 296 cs is hopefully
The bend in the road that we've all been hoping for that we haven't seen in a generation of cars
And what would all those same guys say who don't want the luce, whatever it is
What would they say about the 296 cs that has less horsepower would they want that? Oh, yeah, they'd I mean my ferrari friends would I'm just
Hang on exactly all my friend. Yeah, but you know the question is is will they be coerced into buying a luce?
In order to get some special limited edition things and ferrari says no
ferrari says we'll never have we'll never bend the arm of somebody
To buy a car that they don't want to get a car that they want but hasn't been my experience. All right, so let's move on
This or that today
Today we ask the question you have to choose your forever car sports car that you can grow old with
Is your only sports car you will never sell it?
That means Blair is going to have a conniption because he likes to sell cars
What one car would you choose present two options?
And then we vote on this or that rules it has to be less than 250 grand manufacturers suggested retail price
Okay, because otherwise one of you guys would have gotten smart and chose something that
Cost 250 and what you know went to a billion
They made in the last 20 years and has to be a car your wife would drive coast to coast with you in
Good luck. So that that that made things a little bit difficult
I forgot about it. So should you get to go first?
Oh my gosh, I mean Tim you know, you're killing me man
That that last bit is what threw my my choice off
But look I I have been planning to get a gte for exactly that purpose
But because you raised the budget to 250 it changed my my game plan because
Originally, you know, well not originally. I'm still going to get a zero six for for this very reason
I'm going to we're going to travel all in the lower 48 all over the place in a z6 when
I'm going to start buying it next year and then every year we're going to take road trips
I'm going to keep the car on the east coast and then I'm going to fly out there. We're going to get a drive around
but
to to this question
The st the the the the 9 11 st would be the car for me
um, no, no, no, no, no, no
Manufacturer suggests retail price of 250
That that I guess he's under 250, isn't it? No
There's not three plus. Yeah three plus. Oh my god. Oh shit. Oh, all right
Okay, we'll come back to you throw that one out the window. So let's see. Whoa
You got a good one right there
Behind you. That's a good choice
Sorry gt3 touring is
Ah, okay gt3 touring was the one that I had. Yeah, I had price and I realized yes
That is just under that, you know price point and I think that would be the car
It's got luggage space, right? It's got Porsche dealers all over the country. So if I break down someplace
God, I can get that taken care of so yeah gt3 touring is the car that that I would choose in a manual
Do you have to give us two choices to a gt3 touring or or your z6?
Or
No, actually the Amira v6
Ah
Yes, I like that car a lot and you know and if it wasn't for the 250
Then yeah, I would have chosen the Amira because I think that's going to be a car that I could use
And I still have a manual have fun with it
And off I go. All right, we'll go back and we'll in Blair and I will vote on that. You can't vote. All right. So Blair your turn
No, I want yours Tim. I want yours next
Mine, okay. Well, my choices would be a 17
718 spider arrest, which I have right there
And on youtube, okay, we also have a speedster, but I don't know. I mean
I'm afraid I might be just keeping that one for this at this point for the sake of value retention because I never drive it
I just drive the 718 because the 718 is so much more fun
I don't have to think about the value
But the other one would be another car that we used to have which I sort of regret selling which would be a 458 spider
Very nice car a lot of cowl shake if we're you know
Keeping it real here
But between the two of those and both of those had original I did google it to make sure
Both those had an original list price of 250 or less. So those would be my two choices
Now we're going to vote here in a second which one we would choose for ourselves, but Blair your turn
He's redoing us because he didn't read the notes saying it has to be something your wife would go on a drive in I'm guessing
Haha
No, you oh well, it's funny
I missed some of those notes and I went a total different direction with this but
New car
I'm not going to say my new one because you guys kind of covered the basis really. I mean we're talking brand new
I'd take a gt3 or a lot of samira and
And and that's basically already been said. I would take a winged car though
Um, not a touring personally. I want something with downforce, you know the the the whole reason that track
Focus car was invented. Um, so that that's uh, that that's another thought for me, but what what um
What what I did with this and you know, I'm having a hard time pulling up my pictures, but
I I looked at bring a trailer and just a thought exercise of around 230 240 thousand dollars. So
A Carrera s 993 1998 just sold for 230 something thousand dollars and
I thought okay for around 230 250 you could go get a late 90s 993
C2 s
Or I kept it just 1998
Would you rather have that or would you rather have
A Ferrari f355
Coupe with a six speed manual and an e 36 m3
Four-door sedan. So you just basically made your own question is really what you're I did. Yeah, did you have all the instructions whatsoever?
Remember that about you
No, I
I better have a triple A on speed dial and you know what and chenille and I are gonna punish you for not reading instructions
We're gonna choose the one most likely to break down every 20 minutes when you and your wife are driving across the country
All right, that's what we're gonna be getting divorced real quick. She's
It's a good thing I did because after all that Porsche hate we'd all choose
GT Porsches, you know
Okay, but I want to go back to something she knew said and he's got a picture up there
And I really want to talk about this drill down on this with me you guys
I don't your your idea of buying. Okay. So Julie and I and our daughter we drove around the country did exactly what you said
start out in Dallas in a
Audi RS6 Avant which we still have
So that was incredible. But if it were just Julie and I your choice
I think would be the perfect car because the zero six
NAC eight Corvette wherever you'd go, you would never catch any hate for it
You know people it would be and it would be a great touring car
So arguably especially with those things what they're selling for right now
What can you get a nice co6 for like less than a hundred or right around a hundred? Have you checked?
I haven't but I think there's you know, you can get one under sticker now
Yeah, you can get them at a hundred grand right about a hundred grand at 2lt like mid mid spec
You know there at a 125 take your pick
So so explain to me how that isn't just ridiculously good value for the money
Is it is really the let's just use real words is really the snob factor
The only thing that's holding that car back or am I wrong? You know, you're the engineer. I don't know what the hell I'm talking about
No, listen, man
I mean, there's no question that the snob factor matters to a lot of people and you're spending a hundred grand or more on a car
The cachet that comes from the brand
It matters to a lot of people
I could give a rat's ass about it because I I'm about the performance. I'm about the engineering about how it looks
I don't really care about the brand. I mean, I've never owned a corvette
So the truth of the matter is this would be that this will be the first corvette
You know, one of my daughters is completely
You know, beside herself in disbelief that you that I'm buying a corvette. She still doesn't believe it's gonna happen
I'm like you watch kid. I'm buying one, you know, and so, you know, the thing is it's it's
You know as enthusiasts, how can you not admire what they've achieved with that car?
You know, the one that's in my backdrop. It's got the asymmetric interior too, which I just think is so cool
You know Ferrari have done that
Lotus are doing that on on the amirah as well. So
Anyways, I love it. I think it's a great value and again, I don't want to
It's almost funny. I'm holding myself back for giving such praise to it
Because so many people will pigeonhole us being corvette people
I don't know what a corvette person is
But I know when I hear somebody saying a corvette person
I know I don't like that person and I'm just gonna say it because that person is an elitist snob
Who has a very closed mind about anything other than what they're interested in and they're missing out on a whole do
Whole new paradigm that I think has happened because of the c8 because I'll I'll even drill down even further
If you look at the build quality on those new c8s, just the paint alone is better than my freaking Ferrari
It's true
you we went to the corvette factory last summer and the pride of all the
For example, did you guys know that the corvette guy started with uh, I don't remember his name
Started with Porsche. He was racing Porsche 550s in the 1950s. Did you know that there was yeah
And the whole thing it's but if you look at the build quality of those cars
It's not that different for some from an exotic and and I don't get why people can't get past their
You know their egos and see them for what they are an absolutely brilliant game-changing car
What are you thinking Blair? Have we talked you into a corvette yet?
Well, what I what I'm thinking is why do we do the things that we do? Yes, ego matters
But why do I keep buying e46 m3s? There's some sentimental factor going on there and and when I
that the first loves and that emotion for me
Tends to steer more german honestly, but
The other thing I'm thinking about is okay. What's a Carrera s cost?
It has to be
Just like a well option t has to be 180 to 200 thousand dollars
And you can't get that car in a manual transmission
So if you're asking me if I can't have a gt3 in a manual
And I have a hard time buying a t in a Carrera t in a manual
What I rather have a
Corvette 06 for 125
Or a 992 Carrera s for 200 grand
I'm a Corvette guy at that point. I 100%
Well, what does that mean? What is the core that I buy the 06?
I would buy it if all else is equal now. She knew said it's not happening
And they are not going to put a manual in a c8 Corvette
I've heard rumors to the contrary and if they're going to potentially
Make a 6.7 liter motor at a unique motor just for the grand sport
That why couldn't they put a manual transmission in this thing now again? She knew uh
He from an engineering kind of development standpoint. He disagrees, but if they do that
Now suddenly well, hold on hold on
You're blasting your mic out a little bit four fingers and she knew why couldn't they put a manual transmission in that?
They developed one didn't the Tremac develop a manual that works in c8s
Well, I think that was like an aftermarket type development by Tremac
I don't think the fact who you know, I don't think Chevy was involved in that the corvette team
I could be wrong, but look here's the problem every variant of powertrain that you come up with you know from engine to
Transmission has to be emissions tested. So the cost to do that is significant and
You know, most people know that the manual option does not get ticked by too many people
And I think there's a reason why the corvette is a great value is because they make a lot of them
Okay, and they they they you have to make
Yeah, have some reasonable volume in order to amortize the cost and keep her keep your retail price low
So yeah, I mean I think I can't imagine a six speed is going to make its way into this car as much as I'd love to see that
I don't think it's going to happen
So when you look at for example where I'm have behind me in my image there
You're looking at a you know, obviously a c8 zero six and that car
You can basically get for 225. I think that's a zr1. Oh, I'm sorry zr1. Yeah, you're right
Okay, this car which julie and I bought in 2008 and 19 that car now is it's a
a
Pista those things are now in the mid 500s on up
Okay, this this car is 720 horsepower. I mean we can compare horsepower and all the rest of the corvette's going to win
I just don't think from a driving perspective truthfully. I don't think that the piece is worth the difference in price
It's not worth twice as much and even if it were the market says it is and says I'm wrong
It's too precious to have any fun with and that's the reason we always go back to these inexpensive relatively speaking lightweight cars
Because you go out and have fun with them. That's the reason I think frankly
Your drive around car around the country of the zero six is a hundred percent what I would do too if we're just julie and I
It's a home run car. All right. Let's go back and vote. Okay, so we each had our suggestions of what we would choose
So a hundred percent blairs getting my vote is he's going to get the 355 for not listening to instructions and
Have breakdowns constantly. So I want to eat 36 m3 too. So yes
Okay, well, that's true, but I want the two car combo
So what about I'll buy you the triple a membership that you're going to need
I've heard those are terrible by the way. So yeah
That's why you need an e36 to go with it
Yeah, exactly. I bought an e36 m3 new. So I love that car. Yeah, we did too. What year was yours?
A 99 ours was a 97. It was a four door cosmos. Uh gray with that orangey interior
Oh my god, that's wild. Yeah, mine was docker yellow two the the light light yellow two
How old are you shaneu?
58. Oh that explains it
Yeah, that's really like you're 48. That's really that's the reason blairs and stout's about the things that you and I basically
Because he's just a little bit younger than us
That's right. So they're old cars to him. Yeah, exactly
All right, so I guess I'll take the punishment next if yet you guys had to choose the car for me
What would be of my two choices?
Yeah, and and you're to say it again what they were tim. Uh, I'm having check my notes four or five eight spider and a
And a 17 rs. He's gonna get me back, isn't he? Yeah, so if I
four five eight spider or the spider or the uh, the spider rs of two spiders
Well, I I've got two problems. If it were my car, it'd be different
But you said wife has to go with you. Yep. And um,
Well, that that's that's the big problem. Number one
She loves ferrari. She always says why don't you ever consider a ferrari? Those cars are gorgeous and number two
She would 100% get tired of the noise that spider rs makes inside the cabin with the roof up
So I got to go with the four five eight spider for the wife
Yeah, okay. What do you what do you think should do?
Well, look, I'm I'm gonna try to keep you married man
So I I think that the 718 is the right solution for for for marital marital bliss
You know so that you're not broken down on the side of the road, you know on on that cross country trip. So
Porsche gets my vote. Yeah, I think I'm gonna probably well to his point that you have you you've driven a spider rs
Haven't you Blair?
Yes, okay, and he is right with the top up
Holy crap
You're literally inside of a drum and someone's beating on it constantly
Of it is it's torturous, but you take the top down or you move that snap in back window. It's a completely different experience
What was your experience driving that car Blair share it with the listeners and the viewers?
Well, I drove a came in gt4 rs first and then I drove a spider rs and
Yeah, with the top down the spider rs is awesome. I like genuine fan of it. Um
The four rs the thought that kept coming to my mind was also an awesome thought was I cannot believe
Porsche made this I can't believe they had the sense of humor to like and got it through
To make this noise inside the cabin, but I love raucous. I love an aftermarket exhaust
I love loud induction
I think I would get tired of the four rs
So incredible cars both of them, but yeah, I would choose the spider for sure over the
Cayman
Well, can we hover there for a second since we got mr. Lightweight sports car on there
Can you is there a future with these 718 rs variants?
That's that the market is yet to discover
Because they do appear to be somewhat of the last of the breed and they are special cars
But all the criticisms that people have about the 718 spider the 718
GT four rs
I wonder if that's just because of the whole 9 11 thing
Wanting to you know overshadow the 718, but if you take the 718 and isolation and look at it for what it is
I think it's a badass car like truly an incredible car even with all the noise
What do you think you know 100% 100% it's it's dynamically a better car the the architecture is simply better
There's just no arguing about that
You know as as drivers as enthusiasts a middling car is superior period and again
How much faster do you need to go those cars are extremely fast the pace that you can
Maintain with a car like that and a fun twisty road
You don't really need to go much faster. Let me point something out that's really funny too
So when people are saying why the st is so 9 11 st which sells for you know
650 750 it has no rear-wheel steer think about this Blair
So people say all the time an art touring rear-wheel steer and I can tell you it definitely was more precise when you were driving it
And aggressively
But it definitely took away from the overall experience made it feel more synthesized no two ways about it
This the gt4 rs and the spider rs no rear-wheel steer and it gets and it gets criticized for it
What they don't need it exactly
They don't need it because it's it's a superior architecture. The 9 11 is inferior. Let's just be honest
It's a rear engine car and
I'm glad I'm glad it's just not me who's gonna get all the hate after this one should do after
I love 9 11's. Okay. I don't mind a car
That's loose underneath me that understeers going into a corner and oversteers exiting, you know, but the problem is
It's dynamically inferior. So they have to come up with all this crazy
You know
Suspension geometry and rear-wheel steer and other things to correct what is fundamentally wrong with the car, which is the weight bias
Well, what what I will say though is I drove us the Cayman 4 rs back to back with the 992 dot one
uh gt3 in a pdk so the comparable car and
You can't I think part of what I mean came in boxers are always going to get hate because they're not 9 11's
But that car was also developed in 2013 with the first boxster the 981
The interior is identical inside now. That doesn't bother me. I happen to love that
generation Porsche interior the 981 991 718's but
You know, when you jump into the 992 gt3 back to back number one
I did notice a different suspension. I thought it was more compliant
It rode a little better, frankly
And and then they've continued to develop obviously that front end with the double wishbone
It's a sharper car. It changes direction more quickly
And the interior though, I don't like it better feels more modern. They continue to invest into that platform
But those cars without every option checked
Have you ever seen a base base 992 without everything being covered with leather and alcantara?
It's miserable. It just is it plastic
I saw when we were up a car week last year and I couldn't you know, it was cool
It was a real base 9 11 t which I appreciated but it did not feel special
It that those cars do to me the 992 start to feel like outie parts like part sharing
And whereas you're getting a 991 or a 718 981
That feels so Porsche to me and there is nothing like it and
So but but but I do think they've continued to develop the 9 11
They kind of stopped developing the Cayman Boxster, which I already said earlier in the podcast
I think that was a big mistake, but I think that's part of where some of the
You know that that
Love for the 718 runs dry and and it gets some of that criticism, but
Incredible cars and and in fact the time I drove the spider s. I said my wife would get tired of the sound
She was with me and we we took my buddy's car for about 30 minutes
She jumped in the passenger seat and she loved it
But the top was down and it was only 20 30 minutes and I mean what what an incredible machine
So if you have to choose between what he's got up behind him now
Which is you know, again a c8 and a comparable portion the same value for everyday use
Are you still gonna just lean into the Porsche and why?
No, no, if it's a c8 and like a base Carrera or a Carrera s
No, I'm taking the c8 at that point if it's a spider rs. I'm taking the Porsche
What do you think she knew same thing?
I can't argue the spot if I could only have one sports car that I didn't have to take my wife across the country in
The spider would definitely be the car for me. Okay, so I got good news for you guys
My wife's a stud and she would have actually chosen the spider rs
That's so awesome. She is. Yeah, exactly now now chenuz this or that he chose the gt3 touring
or the amirah v6
And where I chose the Ferrari in your scenario
Tim, I would absolutely choose a gt3 touring with a manual
My wife would love it. I would love it and I'm considering buying an amirah v6. So I love that car, but
I'll tell you I'll tell you why that's the wrong answer. You ready?
I had one
I had one and let me tell you that is a loud f in car
And on the inside people will say you had the wrong tires on it. Maybe that's true
But the amount of noise and the back of a touring without back seats is
extraordinary
And you it the the noise doesn't have a way to escape and the you got to remember how that car is designed
It's the it's not the engine noise what you want to hear in arguably the exhaust noise
It's the freaking wheels the tires on the back. It's so loud
So and if you look at the price difference between the amirah and the gt3
992 touring right if you look at the price difference
I'm going to say it. Oh for the trip across the country. I'm taking the lotus
I I thought this was a money no object
So I actually didn't have to come up with that additional 150 k between the lotus and the gt3
So yeah, if if we care about money, then yeah, that that becomes a lot easier. It's an incredible value
Given how expensive these these Porsches have become
Cool. Yeah, absolutely. Yep. All right. You guys have any other thoughts any other
Comments or things to come to mind? Are we going to focus on lotus next week? I think
Yeah, that would be great. That would be great
And and maybe that picture you've got maybe Porsche is going to have a 550, you know
Tribute coming for us. I mean, you know what? I think I think what you said actually makes all kinds of sense to me
And if I were Porsche, that's what I would do
I would start coming out with
Things that completely hit hard reset and get back to the core DNA of the manufacturer
And I would go back and on a bended knee
I would earn the love back from all my best customers
Before that all my customers start becoming basically flex buyers because if they all become flex buyers
Then I'm going to have to start competing with
You know, frankly brands that are going to be they're already ubiquitous
You can't win by chasing horsepower anymore
You can't win by chasing instagram followers anymore because those people are thick as hell
You're going to have to go back and produce real engineering masterpieces and I hope and I pray that's what our beloved brand Porsche does
If not, guess what you knew you in your analog car ethos is going to rule the day
I don't know if you guys have been reading the articles that I've been pumping out for the uh, you know the newsletter
And if you're not subscribed, it's full throttle talk dot com
But is there's a really good reason to believe that analog cars are going to be the ultimate
I don't even know what you want to call it desirable sports car in the future as all these other cars sort of become the same
And I'm I'm excited to hear about what we're going to talk about next week as far as the whole lotus thing goes
Because there's so much detail and so much depth. I'll help you create that content
If you want to delegate some of it to me because I know there's a lot
The well that sounds good good to me because I can ratchet my uh my intensity down a little bit
Next week if we're not no man, listen
I've been doing podcasts for a long time Blair and I'd rather have someone that's bouncing off their mic
And high levels of energy enthusiasm versus someone has to pump themselves up with caffeine all the time and be
Prompted to basically wake up. I would much rather have high levels of energy enthusiasm
I've had the opposite many times and trust me. You're perfect. So you got well, thanks
I just want great cars and it's so frustrating what we talked about today that
They they you know, they they seem to be fleeting and so yeah, you're right
We're all going to be turning to what you have behind you
We're all going to be calling shaneu and saying hey help me modify my lotus help me
You know, I I want a resto mod because sorry
Porsche could have had me for life and yet they've left me behind and by the way, so is bmw
But they just make daily drivers that
You know, they they're still kind of nailing that if you want comfort and luxury and why have we never talked about mclaren
McLaren seems like it would be the perfect brand for all of us. It's just because we have mclaren fear
Yeah, I mean mclaren. I mean there's a number of things there
But we we need to do an episode on mclaren because I think it would be worthwhile
It it really because their cars are closer to being analog than many of the other, you know
luxury brands and so
Yeah, listen guys, we have been spoiled these last
25 30 years we've had an unprecedented selection of really cool cars
So I think we're gonna have a lot of really fun things to talk about for sure
So this is this has been a fun fun fun pod for sure me too. I love it
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About this episode
The hosts dive into recent automotive highlights, including a thrilling drive swap between an E46 M3 and a Honda S2000, sharing detailed impressions of the S2000's engaging engine and handling. They discuss tuning a Lotus Emira with an AMG four-cylinder engine, boosting its performance significantly. The episode also touches on the Australian Bathurst Edition Emira and Lotus's strategy of releasing special variants to maintain excitement. Additionally, they debate Porsche's current direction and explore the concept of choosing a forever sports car. Enthusiasts will appreciate the mix of personal stories, technical insights, and industry news.
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Original notes
This week on Full Throttle Talk, the crew dives into one of the biggest debates in modern enthusiast cars:
Has Porsche lost its way?
But first — things get wild.
Tim straps into the Blue Shock Race X5 kart, a machine built on a Tony Kart chassis producing 44 horsepower with four-wheel disc brakes. It’s closer to a race car than a kart… and it’s completely unhinged.
Then the conversation shifts to the biggest developments shaking the enthusiast car world:
• Ferrari changes the rules again with the 296 Speciale and rumored 296 CS
• The Corvette ZR1X performance numbers are emerging — and they’re borderline unbelievable
• BMW may add rear-biased AWD to the M2, raising questions about the future of driver-focused cars
And then we tackle the question enthusiasts everywhere are starting to ask:
Has Porsche lost its way?
With 20+ variants of the 911, escalating prices, and GT engines drifting further from their motorsport roots, we debate whether Porsche is still at the top of the enthusiast world… or slowly moving away from what made the brand legendary.
We close with one of our favorite segments:
This or That — Your Forever Sports Car
Rules:
• Under $250k MSRP
• Built within the last 20 years
• Your spouse must be willing to drive it coast-to-coast
Matchups include:
• 718 Spyder RS vs Ferrari 458 Spider
• GT3 Touring vs Lotus Emira V6
• 993 Carrera S vs Ferrari 355 + BMW E36 M3
If you could only choose one sports car for the rest of your life, what would it be?
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