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unibody
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Lancia Stratos
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Le Mans
Le Mans is a very long car race that lasts 24 hours. Cars and drivers try to keep going as fast as they can without stopping for the whole day.
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Formula One
Formula One is a type of car race where very fast and special cars race on different tracks around the world. It's one of the most famous and exciting car races.
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World Rally Championship
The World Rally Championship is a car race where drivers race on different types of roads, like dirt and snow. It tests how well the car and driver can handle tough and changing conditions.
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all-wheel drive
All-wheel drive means a car can send power to all four wheels at the same time. This helps the car grip the road better, especially when it's wet or rough.
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turbo
A turbo is a part that helps a car's engine make more power by pushing extra air into it. It uses the car's exhaust to do this, making the car faster.
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Audi Quattro
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mid-engine
Mid-engine means the car's engine is placed in the middle of the car, which helps it drive better and handle turns more smoothly.
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rear-wheel drive
Rear-wheel drive means the car's engine makes the back wheels turn, which helps the car drive well, especially when going fast or around corners.
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Porsche 935
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BMW E21
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BMW M6
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Hyundai Ioniq
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Rivian R3
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Porsche 911
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Bmw M1
The BMW M1 is a special sports car made by BMW a long time ago. It has its engine placed in the middle of the car, which helps it go fast and handle well.
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1980 BMW M1
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Acura NSX
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Peugeot 308
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1980 Honda CBX Super Sport
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Euro 1980 Porsche 930 Turbo
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911 930S
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Porsche 911 Turbo
The Porsche 911 Turbo, called the 930, is a fast sports car made in the late 1970s. It has a special engine that uses a turbocharger to make it go faster and looks very cool and unique.
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O2 sensors
O2 sensors check how much oxygen is in the car's exhaust to make sure the engine runs clean and uses fuel well. When these sensors became required, some cars couldn't meet the new rules and stopped being sold in the US.
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Ferrari 512 BB
The Ferrari 512 BB is a fast sports car with a special 12-cylinder engine shaped flat like a boxer. It was popular but stopped being sold in the US because of new pollution rules.
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1980 Ferrari 512 BB
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1980 Ferrari 308 GTBi
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Dacia Duster
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No Reserve: 1980 Plymouth Trail Duster
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Dodge Charger
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Dodge Ram
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Ford Bronco
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1978 Dodge Ramcharger Top Hand 4x4
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Ramcharger / Plymouth Trail Duster
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1982 Dodge Ramcharger 4x4
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Volkswagen Scirocco
The Volkswagen Scirocco S from 1980 is a small sporty car with a hatchback design. It was made to be fun to drive and looks different from regular cars.
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Volkswagen Gti
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No Reserve: One-Family-Owned 1980 Volkswagen Scirocco S
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Single-Family-Owned 1980 Porsche 911SC Coupe Weissach
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Euro 1980 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9
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Fiat 126
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Mercedes-Benz 600
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No Reserve: 1980 Cadillac Seville
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Cadillac DeVille
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air-cooled engine
An air-cooled engine cools itself by blowing air over it instead of using water or other liquids. This was common in older Volkswagen vans.
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Volkswagen Jetta
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Ford Pinto
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No Reserve: 1980 Ford Pinto Rallye Pack Wagon
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intercooler
An intercooler is a part that cools down the air before it goes into the engine, helping the car run better.
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Chevy Small Block
The Chevy Small Block is a type of engine made by Chevrolet. It's very popular because it can be used in many cars and is good for making cars go faster.
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four-wheel drive
Four-wheel drive means the car can send power to all four wheels at the same time, which helps it drive better on dirt, snow, or mud.
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No Reserve: 1980 AMC Eagle 2-Door Sedan
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3 Three Wheelers
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Subaru Outback
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GMC Safari
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No Reserve: 1979 Jeep CJ-7 Golden Eagle
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Jeep Cj
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manual transmission
Manual transmission means you have to change gears yourself using a stick and a pedal called the clutch. It lets you control the car better but takes some practice to learn.
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tachometer
A tachometer is a gauge that tells you how fast the engine is spinning. It helps you know when to change gears if you drive a car where you do that yourself.
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V8
A V8 engine means the car has eight cylinders shaped like a V. This helps the car have more power and go faster.
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Jeep Wrangler
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1980 Mercedes-Benz 280GE Cabriolet
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Jaguar Ctype
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Jaguar Dtype
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Jaguar XKSS
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Mazda Rx7
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8k-Mile 1980 Ford Mustang McLaren M-81
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Ford Mustang
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Recaro
Recaro makes special car seats that help keep you comfortable and in place when driving fast.
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BBS wheels
BBS wheels are special car wheels made to be strong and light, helping cars go faster and handle better.
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Ford Capri
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Toyota Celica
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Mercury Cougar
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No Reserve: Single-Family-Owned 1986 Boston Whaler Montauk 17' Project
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Toyota A90
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Dodge Spirit
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Porsche 935 K3
The Porsche 935 K3 is a special race car made from a Porsche 911 with lots of changes to make it go very fast in races.
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Porsche 928
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Ferrari 308 GTB
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Porsche 924
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BMW E12
The BMW E12 is an older luxury car made in the 1970s. It's a bigger car than the 3 Series and was designed to be comfortable and powerful.
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BMW M3
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V8-Powered 1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV
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Fiat X1/9
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1980 Toyota Celica RA45 GT2000 Rally
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Bring a Trailer podcast.
My name is Alex Porter.
I am the operations director for the company.
Today we are playing one of our popular one year garage games.
This time focused on model year 1980.
I am joined on the pods by Beck, Tyler and Cam, all of whom have been on the
podcast before, though Tyler had never played the one year garage game.
The guys and I decided on 1980, just a few hours before we recorded and thought
it would maybe be a little bit of a challenge, but man, we ended up really
enjoyed doing this model year.
We are excited to hear your feedback.
Thanks as always to our producer, Chris Baxter, for putting this episode together.
Bring a trailer podcast.
1980, a one year garage.
It's always a pleasure to do these.
And 1980 kind of thought it would be tough.
Actually enjoyed the research.
How about you guys?
I was shocked at how much fun the research was.
You don't think of 1980 as being the pinnacle of performance or design or
comfort or reliability or anything really.
But I was like, I would totally rock a 1985 car garage.
There is a lot of little gems that are going to eventually grow into other things.
You're seeing a lot of cars that haven't necessarily been ruined yet, but they're
about to oh, two sensors, I think, started around 1980.
And so you actually start to get some cool engines coming in.
But as you mentioned before we started this podcast, Alex, how do you refer to it?
Like gorgeous.
Yeah, a lot, a lot of great looking unibodies that you want to do a motor
swap on a lot of that happening.
I think you also have a, at least in my research, I found quite a few brands
that maybe had more of a history of motorsport in their past that maybe they
lost touch with through the seventies to the smog and bumpers and all
that stuff. Yeah.
And I think you start to see some of them trying to bring that back into the
purview of their brand through some really interesting ways.
But they're like Beck said, a lot of little gems of factories trying maybe
little one off things on more consumer cars that they're making, that they
tried to market as this new, you know, performance design type aspect that
they're maybe trying to bring back.
So yeah, a lot of interesting little gems in there.
Do you think there's going to be competition on this one?
Or do you think there's enough cars to go around?
Are there like three or four obvious places to start?
Well, the fact that we did this like a crash drill here to get all of our lists
together.
Yes.
We agreed on this today for listeners because we will probably make mistakes
and there will be some omissions.
And so like just know these gentlemen agreed to put their list together today.
We've had like two hours to prep and we had meetings and stuff.
So be gentle with your judgment.
Or don't be, just be crazy in the comments.
Go for it.
Don't worry, people won't be.
I think there might be some crossover there, which is fun because then once,
as you know, Alex, one of his rules is if a car gets picked, no one else can
pick that car for that category.
So it becomes a little bit ruthless and you actually kind of strategically
sometimes have to keep multiple cars.
And am I really going to say that one?
And I'm going to save it for another category.
It depends on the order of the categories.
So that can be really tough.
I think there's some things you got to grab.
There's for sure ones you got to grab, but I also tried to, when we decide on 1980,
there were clear picks in my head of, I think, the obvious choices that some of
us might go for.
I tried to avoid those, even if.
Oh, good for you.
Yeah.
I tried to choose cars that, A, I would enjoy owning and having in my garage,
but also may lead to a bit more interesting conversation.
That's always the conundrum is like, do you follow your heart or do you want to
win the Instagram poll?
I always lose that.
So I follow my heart.
Yeah.
I ended up doing kind of something similar to you, Cam.
I was like, 1980, there are just the clear winners, right?
Yeah.
And I'm looking around.
I'm like, you know what, but this car has character.
There's character here.
There's like, I think it was a becker.
I was one of you guys were saying earlier about how you could see the future of
that correct model.
Yes.
Kind of showing up in 1980.
You can see the future.
I like that.
You can see the future of things and you can see the death of some things.
So like when we all settled on 80, which we all kind of had a little pow wow on
which I don't think we've ever done that.
I usually mandate to year to everyone, but we really kind of agreed on it.
And we were all like, ooh, this is going to be a toughie.
And it really didn't feel that way to me in the end.
I was surprised by that.
Well, notably, we had first settled on.
It's got to be something in the 80s.
And they were thinking late 80s or early and we determined that earlier would be
harder and that would just be more fun.
Cause yeah, 89.
I think we can all think of right off the top of our heads what it's going to be.
But with 80, it's a big question.
Cause also a big one is I was looking up cars that I swear were made in 1980 and
they weren't I had some of that.
And in the late 70s or they're one year away, there's a lot of 1981 stuff.
One that I can say that I know we can't do it.
Like I thought for sure there were still a spot as in 1980 and there are some
that were kind of sold, but they stopped making them in 78.
So I think it's fair to say that's not eligible, even though there are maybe
some model year in 1980s, but like it was two years defunct.
Stratos is another one and 78.
Now they were racing them in 80, but I figured that's not in the rule.
So there's a bunch of those that just stopped right before us.
Well, one of my biggest takeaways was, and I know Alex, you always like going
through the movies of the year, but 1980 heads.
Oh, no, very good.
Let's move. That's a great segue.
Let's talk about it.
So 1980, none of us were alive.
I'm the oldest one here and I was born in 83.
Cam, you're the youngest and you're like, you're gosh, you're a decade and a half
away from being born, right?
Yes, 97.
Amazing.
So that's amazing.
I was pretty close.
In 1980, the year that's Ronald Reagan, right?
That's Mount St. Helens, which I'd forgotten.
I thought that was a little bit later.
We just had all the hockey drama happen here.
That's Miracle on Ice.
Americans beating the Canadians at Lake Placid, the 1980 Winter Olympics.
And then we boycotted the Summer Olympics, I think, in Moscow in 80.
So interesting Olympics year, which is topical for us right now.
I've got that.
That'll come back.
Oh, good, good, good.
Yeah, incredible movie year.
I'm sure you know what the top one was, right, Tyler?
Big movie of the year.
I don't usually like top movies.
I kind of like the also stuff.
But this is Empire Strikes Back.
This is like a monster.
Yeah, Star Wars comes back after the phenomenon in 77, which is a year we've done.
Number two is 9 to 5, which is a movie I love and a song I love.
Yeah, all right.
Yeah, have you guys all seen that one?
I honestly am not a big 80s movies.
Oh, well, and this is like the reason 80 is interesting is it's like a little bit
of 70s hangover, but also a little bit of what to come.
So the movies reflect kind of the cars in some ways.
Airplane was the number four movie of the year.
Great choice.
You all know that, right?
But here's some others that are in the top.
Blues Brothers and Smoky and the Bandit 2, two car movies that were biggies.
Caddyshack, The Shining, Private Benjamin, Cole Miner's Daughter.
I mean, like to your point, Tyler, huge movie year.
Yeah, I was looking at Flash Gordon, Urban Cowboy, American Jigolo.
I mean, the final countdown for like, if you really want to get deep in 80s
military might drama.
Big directors, big stars, really good stuff.
Can I do a little music too, Cam?
I wanted to hit you with this.
I mean, nine to five also has a great theme song, right?
Number one song, Call Me by Blondie.
Number two, Another Brick in the Wall, Floyd.
All right, Funky Town came out in 1980.
Rock with you, Michael Jackson, crazy little thing called Love.
Queen, Queen still hitting the.
I mean, what an era for music.
You got New Wave rolling in, you got Steve Ray Vaughn holding it down
with some power blues.
You got Blondie coming in like a really incredible time for music.
I'm also not a huge like New Wave 80s buff, but you can't deny the hits
that came out of that era, Duran Duran.
I mean, it's like you got some really good stuff.
Some Yacht Rock.
Some Yacht Rock.
I can't remember if you're a Yacht Rock guy or not.
Big Yacht Rock guy.
I would say 80.
80 you're starting to lose the Yacht Rock.
Yeah, but that's Christopher Cross.
That's that's sailing ride like the wind, which is my favorite Christopher Cross.
OK, was a big song that year.
Yeah, kind of similar to the cars that were coming out.
Just a really big melting pot.
Totally a music, some like old era, but new era, right?
A mix. Yeah, I would say a lot of new era trying to push old era out.
And again, I'll say like Stevie Ray Vaughn, I love him so much as a musician,
but to just to do his thing as hard as he did in that time frame
and to be popular on the radio at that time, I think is so incredible.
But yeah, some fantastic, fantastic pop culture came out around 100 percent.
Yeah, to also kind of blend together cars and movies.
Steve McQueen passed away in November of 1980,
meant to kind of bring a bit of a B.A.T. car tie in.
We've sold, I think actually twice, maybe the Chevy 3800,
which he was driven to the airport in with the campershell, right?
Yeah, the green thing.
Yes, to Mexico to receive this experimental treatment.
That's right.
And I crazy that we listed that car seems like it's such a powerful.
That was our piece of America first of the big Steve McQueen.
You know, it's when you get a Steve McQueen vehicle, it's a big deal.
And that was the first one.
And I remember being really blown away by that.
Yeah, our friends over at a legendary motor car up in Canada listed it
and they paired it with a Husqvarna. That's right.
Would it like so this was the rig that McQueen would take to the desert
and go riding in so kind of fitting that that was also the last car
that he was ever known to be in alive.
And that truck came back, didn't it?
You know, I thought it did, but I'm not seeing it.
It definitely did.
I was working with the current owner of that truck.
And I can't remember if something happened and it never went live.
I can't remember where we left off.
Well, you know, we listed it the first time with the Husqvarna.
And I wonder if maybe I remember asking them, are you going to list
the motorcycle again?
But that was not a McQueen motorcycle, right?
It was just era appropriate.
But it was it was era, but we have since had McQueen bikes, right?
Oh, we've had a few. Yeah.
Yeah, that's what we have.
Also, Gary Newman's cars came out in 1980.
So more cars, music tie in for you there, Cam.
I don't know if that's one of your jams or not.
I do enjoy Gary Newman.
OK, great. Beck, Formula One or Le Mans.
I took a gander at both.
And it's actually like the cars and the drivers I'm not that familiar with.
Me neither. I mean, World Rally Championship, a bit more.
Oh, because that's the great turbo all-wheel drive.
Turbo all-wheel drive is just starting to come out.
Is there a Quattro that year?
Quattro, but only in racing, not in the street car variant yet.
Yeah, it was the Renault Turbo 5 out at that point.
It might have, but it was really.
I mean, the Stratos one in 79 or 78,
even though there was a four-wheel drive competitors,
it was still still a rear drive mid-engine car.
Was it the Alitalia car?
I think that's right.
I think that's right.
I don't know if that livery came out just yet, but it might have been.
Oh, yeah, I think so, maybe.
I'm not really sure.
Well, we can talk about it when we fight over who gets a 308.
But the 308 rally cars are also out at this time.
So cool.
I mean, you almost have a 308 rally car.
Kind of, kind of.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So Formula One season was won by Alan Jones,
who I didn't even know was a Formula One champion.
Did you know that?
I mean, the name is vaguely familiar to me,
but he's a Formula One champion.
And then Le Mans won by Akari, I also had never heard of.
Did you look this up, Beck?
I did.
Okay, so it's called,
I'm probably going to butcher this name here.
It is called a Rondeau.
It's got a Cosworth V8 in it.
John Rondeau is the driver, so I'm presuming it's like his own.
Perfect.
His own deal.
And second, R-O-N-D-E-A-U.
A second place was a 308 with Jackie X in it.
Sorry, a 308, like I'm Freudian slip.
A 908, a 908 still racing.
Must be some super modified 908, I presume.
Or just Jackie X, is that good?
Could be.
I mean, that could be.
Anyway, kind of an interesting era in racing.
Not a season that I knew a lot about, but you're right.
Like I think when we think of 1980 in racing,
a lot of people think about rally racing.
That's like really where it goes.
Well, it's a turbo era is penetrating not just world rally
championship, but also Le Mans.
Is an interesting fact there, but you've got 935s
that are also going at the same time.
And then there are the Renault Formula One cars out
with their turbo four.
They're very close, aren't they, if that's not that year?
I want to say BMW is maybe a few years off
from their four cylinder big turbo
that did like 1500 horsepower.
They did like rebuilding after every qualifying kind of thing.
Back when you could like have basically
have a different engine for qualifying than you did for racing.
M10, wasn't it?
It was a super modified M10.
I believe it's called an M12.
Is that variant with basically just a 16 valve head?
That's a fact that every E21 and 2002 driver will tell you.
I mean, this is a Formula One engine.
It's like everyone has got an M6.
So this is the same one as a car that might come up.
Oh yeah, yeah, hold on.
Okay, we got to stop before we get to out of control.
Any other things about 1980 that you guys want to mention
before we dive into our picks?
Well, just from my knowledge, when did Groupie get outlawed?
1986.
1986, okay.
My parents got married in 1980.
So did mine.
Mine got married in 1980 also.
That's interesting.
Wow.
Congrats to your parents, Tyler.
Congrats to yours as well, Alex.
Oh, thank you, buddy.
My dad was wearing a kind of bell bottom still.
So like another thing that shows you
that the era was in transition.
This is death of disco cam, right?
Some slower than others.
Yes, totally.
My dad had gone.
It was a little bit more modern.
He just went with the big lapels.
Nice, nice.
Perfect.
Can you imagine the mustache game at those weddings?
My dad had a strong mustache.
And I think I've shattered out him a few times.
My uncle, Ron, was just rocking one of the greatest
mullets of all time at my parents' wedding.
It was beautiful.
I would go on a limb and say that 80s aesthetics
are currently trending in the modern day.
Mullets are fully back in action.
So maybe appropriate that we're sticking to this.
I think it's just about right.
And in a way, it's coming back in cars, too.
Hard edges on cars.
All the Ioniq cars have looking like 80s cars.
The Rivian R3.
There's a few of these things that are starting to come back
into our cars.
We're in a transitional era.
Wow.
1980s coming back.
You're a masterful podcaster.
You're so good at it, buddy.
OK, let's do a quick reminder of the rules.
I always kind of butcher this.
Beck, you want to do the rules?
You're on a podcast role.
You want to explain the one-year garage game?
And this is actually my first time doing this game.
Wait, are you serious?
So I do need to hear the rules, actually.
Oh my gosh.
How did we miss that?
I just assumed you've been on the pod so many times.
I just thought you've done one of these.
I've listened to them, of course.
But breaking news.
What an uncharitable host I am.
You've done a couple, though, right, Cam?
I believe this is my second.
Oh.
OK, we actually, looking at the thing,
we haven't done as many as I thought.
I don't think we've even done 10 of these.
They're very popular, but we haven't done that many.
Well, there are five categories to build out
to our dream garage for a particular model year.
Model year being kind of a vague term.
We've had some disagreements in the past
as to what that really means.
But essentially, if you're able to buy it new in this year,
that's something that we would consider.
The five categories for your five car garage
are sports car, family hauler, daily driver,
four by four pickup, and wild card.
Wild card can be kind of open air.
It's mostly got to be a good one.
I could jet one time.
Well, if it's, yeah, it's true.
I think there were some disagreements on that front.
Does it have to have wheels?
Are we part of the rules?
It's moral.
I would argue the rule.
I think you could pick a boat.
I think you could probably do that.
True.
I would argue it's got to be on the site.
Yes, if we list it on the site.
Okay, that's a car about pretty much.
Yeah, I love that.
That's great.
For wild card.
I know what you're thinking about.
You're thinking about snow runners.
No, I'm joking.
I know.
1980 was a snow runner.
I know it was.
And another general rule is we're going to go in order.
Alex here is about to help us select
what that order is going to be.
And if someone before you, in that category,
picks that particular car,
it is no longer available.
Also, that would mean it is not available
for other subsequent categories either.
Which for 1980, isn't that bad?
As we get to modern cars,
it's actually kind of tough
because you've got a situation where
there's cars that genuinely can be sports cars
and be family haulers and so on and so forth.
But the further we go back in time,
cars actually tended to exist in a vein of-
Surface-specific purpose, yeah.
Correct, which is one of the reasons
why I think we just all like vintage cars so much
is that they're really designed to
fulfill a certain purpose,
as opposed to more of an appliance that can do-
A lot of the cars we're going to fight over
as far as cars.
Nobody wants to drive that for 1980.
Great job, Beck.
I'm going to have Tyler pick the order
since he's a newcomer new to me.
Okay, so you're just going to pick one.
Just know Tyler, I always get picked first.
Oh, Alex first.
Oh my gosh.
I don't think I've ever gone first before.
That's extremely exciting to me
and I'm going to break everyone's hearts.
Okay, number two.
All right, let's see what we got next.
Nope, let's go with this one.
Oh, you picked yourself.
Oh, myself, all right.
Now everyone knows it's rigged.
Yeah, totally.
Now everyone knows it's rigged.
Okay, totally rigged.
All right, let's go with this.
Cam and Beck.
All right.
Beck goes last.
Doesn't Beck usually win these things?
Yes, correct.
Don't I keep hearing something about that?
I'm not really concerned about any of us
choosing the things that Beck has chosen
for some reason.
Yeah, he's going to pick for family hauler.
We may have to litigate when Beck again
chooses a two-door shooting break
as his family hauler for most.
Don't worry, guys.
I have multiple options.
Yeah, it just depends on how much time
you're willing to spend getting your family in there.
Two other quickies, Tyler.
We will, like the first person,
I guess it's going to be me,
excitingly, it gets to pick the category
and so we'll stick to the category each time we go around.
We may need to litigate a few things,
whether cars are the same or different.
There's some models that are maybe different
and enough to count for two different things.
I think when we did our 2026 draft,
one person had a regular 911 had a GT3.
That doesn't quite apply here,
but there are some models that are kind of like that.
Other than that, I think we're good to go,
right? We typically save wildcard till the end
because it's like where people get crazy,
so we'll probably go through the other four categories first.
Okay, I'm going to...
Great, thank you, Beck.
I'm just going to slide the microphone your way permanently.
We're going to go to sports car
and I'm going to take a BMW M1.
Okay.
Who else was going to go there first,
if you got first pick?
Boom, that was not going to go there.
Yeah, okay, interesting.
Not Tyler.
That was not going to go there.
I was not going to go there.
And you know what folks may know?
It was a little hard for me not to just choose motorcycles
because while cars were experiencing some kind of styling
and performance declines,
motorcycles in 1980 were actually pretty legit.
I have motorcycles on my list
and I actually think they're fine.
Like we've had them pick before
and I've kind of been waiting for somebody
to have the balls to do like all trucks or all something,
you know what I mean, or all bikes or something like that.
I once did an all-American one and I was destroyed.
Maybe not.
No, no, no.
Well, the other thing, Tyler, if you're brave enough,
we put these up on Instagram
and you can see what people think.
These typically get the most.
Or don't look at it.
Yeah, maybe don't look at it.
People don't listen to the episode,
they just look at our picks
and everyone says how much Beckins at Cook
and how much Alex is like weak sauce.
So I had a scout in my troop
who came across one of those posts.
Did he really?
Yeah, and he came to me afterwards at a meeting
and was just like, I was watching BAT
and they had this thing about picking cars
for a certain year and it was you.
Did he vote for you or against you?
Or he didn't reveal.
Choose not to say.
I don't know what we do say about the M1.
They're rad.
I used to always respect them.
They've maybe become...
Does that count as a super car?
I mean, it's kind of a proto super car.
It is like 1980.
I mean, you had Qantas.
I mean, what else would have been super cars?
I mean, I think it fully counts as a super car.
If we're talking relative to the era, definitely.
Is it the best car of the year?
Maybe the pro car version, but yes.
Yeah.
I actually, I would just have a street car version
in orange or maybe black, but...
That's the one, man.
The orange one.
Did we listen to the orange one?
We've listened.
The orange one's good.
There it is.
Come on.
Look at that.
This was the one.
Give me a break with those wheels.
What did that go for, Beth?
This is 94089er.
It went for 651 thousand dollars.
That could be yours.
That could be yours.
And I just think...
This one has the gray cloth too, doesn't it?
Which is so strong and like a super car.
And I just come on.
I really love how restrained a design it is.
You know, I think if you're looking at a Kuntas
next to that on the street,
you're going to think one is a super car
more than the other.
You guys can fight over the Lamborghini.
I don't care.
I have no interest in it.
I wouldn't pick it on my list.
Maybe that's the other number one pick, right?
For me, it's just not.
I just don't like the way they look.
So I think you're spot on.
Yeah.
Like I've been in a spot of this era
and you can sort of tell like,
oh, it's Italian cars as far as interior and quality of this.
I've never actually been inside of an M1.
And I'm curious if it doesn't feel like an 80s German car.
Is it still actually like that solid?
It certainly looks like it has like the steering wheel
and everything, right?
Yeah.
I mean, if you really want to get into it,
it's like that is a German design to me
relative to the design of the Kuntas.
Like it is so extravagant and big flares.
And like relative to that,
it's a bit brutalist in my opinion
from a design perspective,
which I really love about it.
It's also straightforward.
Like you said, I like that.
And for the same reason, I like the NSX, right?
It's just a very simple clean design,
which is what always appeals to me.
But it has a lot of Italian heritage to it though.
Right. There's a Lamborghini connection.
Maybe they designed a Chastier.
It was going to be a Lamborghini.
I can't remember exactly what the connection is there.
I believe the space frame design
and the exterior styling are all Italian shops.
Yeah. Okay. Gotcha.
And I think from a performance,
I can't quote numbers,
but I feel like very much on par with 308s,
911 turbos of the era.
I'm sure it's faster than the 308s
or they're going to come up.
Obviously, that's a dog.
So good pick me.
Tyler, where are you going for sports car?
Okay. So I do have a lovely sports car picked out,
but I think I'm going to go motorcycle for my first one.
And in 1980, even though it was kind of the lowest power level
of all four years of production,
I think it was the only year you could also get it in black.
So I'm going to go with the Honda CBX.
That was on my list.
That was on my list. I had to.
Yours is a 1980 or no?
I have an 82, which is white.
So you can get white in 82, gray in 81.
Specific red in one.
Was it only red in 80?
You could get black in 80 as well.
And I think 79 was silver.
This specific bike was on my list.
Actually, that might be the one.
You edited it, Tyler.
I probably did, but let me pull up my link.
And let me see if I had the same one.
That is lot 210928.
I mean, give me a break.
Look at that.
That is just like put it on my wall.
Oh, that one is extremely good.
Also, if you actually put these two together,
so my specific one was a lot number.
220758 is a black 1980 CBX Super Sport.
And I just, I don't love black Hondas.
I think red and white are great colors for them,
but this bike just kind of looks mean and black.
This would be the one to have in black.
And school us since,
I don't think anyone's ever picked sports car
for a motorcycle before.
This is like sports vehicle, sports vehicle.
But like, where does the CBX sit
in the sportiness range of motorcycles for 1980?
Is this like peak performance?
This is something like the M1 or something, right?
This is like the most HP you can get basically in 1980
for any motorcycle.
Virtually.
In 1980, he was doing like 97, 98 horsepower,
which is really high for a motorcycle, of course.
But it's still more in that kind of sport touring
kind of ability.
So maybe you'd put it closer to like something
that's like a 2 plus 2,
like some kind of high performance 2 plus 2.
Like a 9-11 maybe.
Yeah.
Like a 9-11 turbo kind of thing.
Yeah, exactly.
Which was also very, very high performance,
but out of backseat on it.
Yeah.
So you wouldn't race it.
It's just too big and heavy.
But to ride around really fast, you could do that.
You could do that very well.
Very sick pick.
I'm very glad the CBX came up.
Tyler, I don't like to do a pod with you without the CBX
coming out, because it makes me uncomfortable.
All right, Cam, you are up next, my friend.
Well, the M1 was going to be my selection.
And I guess we'll get into a little bit of litigation here.
My second choice would be a 930 turbo.
1980 was the year that 930s were not allowed in the US.
The first year.
No, it goes all the way to 83.
No, 85.
85, 86 is the first year it goes back.
But you can definitely take a year off.
Yeah, we have years.
And they came to Canada.
So I'll just scoot you one in across the market.
I actually think there's an argument.
I think some people...
Is it 80?
Some people say that the 930 is the best
when they're not in the US,
because they made a little more power,
because they didn't have to worry about US regs at all.
Well, yeah, because that was, I think,
78 or 79s when they up to 33 in those.
And just aesthetically, a fantastic looking vehicle.
I'll take black on, probably steel Fuchs, but...
Double black, black, black.
I think black, black is a great look.
It's like a little Batmobile-ish.
But yeah, just I don't really have much to say.
It's not my first choice, but I would take a 930.
It's good to take it away from Beck, too,
because that's probably where he was going next.
Is that right?
Great choice, Cam.
It is another car similar to the M1.
And they're also, especially these early ones,
are out of my reach, basically, permanently.
I actually really like the Turbo Quares,
the non-intercooled three-liter ones, which stopped in 77.
But all of these early 930s are so wicked-looking,
and they're all getting so expensive.
And so many of them were really driven hard,
and the motors don't last long.
So they've all had multiple rebuilds on them and stuff,
and they usually get modified.
So clean versions of these that aren't super modified,
Nevelo Miles, I mean, they're really expensive cars now.
I think it's a testament to how desirable of a vehicle
they were in the day that they got driven so hard,
and mostly all of them.
I would say probably quite a bit more iconic to the general public
or even people with broad-leaders in cars than the M1.
Yeah, I would.
Well, I mean, it's got the generational connective tissue, right?
You've got however many decades that you can connect it with,
whether it's turbocharged or not, parts interchangeability,
right?
The engine code for the SC in 1980 is an M930.
Yes.
You've got some of the bottom ends are the same,
some of the parts of the interiors are all the same.
Even going to six years later, when it's the 9 and 5.9,
there's things that are connecting through all of this as well.
It's much, much easier for the general public
to recognize and its importance.
That's what people see in their head when they think of a vintage Porsche.
Totally.
Huge hips.
All right, back.
Another good BAT user.
I know.
Oh, yeah, totally.
Totally.
You have to connect it to the 937 now, otherwise Noah's going to come after you
and you're going to get banned.
All right, back.
Finally, your turn.
All right.
Well, this is an interesting feeling to be last,
but I'm actually still very proud of what I'm picking here.
Also, not available in the US, notably for the same reasons
that a lot of cars disappeared in the US.
I really think it was 1980 was first year of O2 sensors,
which is what forced a lot of cars to not be able to be available here anymore.
Specifically, a very notable 12-cylinder Ferrari, the 512 BB.
Oh, great call.
That was going to be my next one.
Do you have the one live right now?
Currently live right now in metallic green being sold by 600 Veloce.
It is lot number 231339.
If this is going live Thursday, you can watch it close while we're talking.
Tell me the color name, because that's what's incredible.
Well, it's refinished.
It's not original metallic green.
It was originally.
But that is a factory color, because I saw one at Macanissima last year in this color.
That's probably why we were going to call it.
It might have been this car.
There can't be many in this car.
Yeah, but it's metallic green over tan.
It looks so rare and different.
I honestly think these look better than Testeroses.
I'm going to do two later.
I do too.
This one's two-tone.
They look particularly good with the black.
Or maybe they all have black lower body panels.
It is genuinely gorgeous.
And it not being a VBI is actually, I think, a plus.
Yes.
This is what's the last year of carbs on these right around here?
Well, that's the whole question of you talking Euro cars.
Oh, because there's no, there's not another flat 12 till the Testerosa comes out.
Is that right?
This doesn't come to the US.
So I think VBI was Euro only or at least rest of world.
Sort of from the outset of this discussion, like this really weird world of things that
it's kind of the frustrating issue of the cars that were never in the US.
This is sort of the start of that.
Man, the photos of that color and with the sun hitting it,
it's almost got a bit of like the mystic room.
Like I'm sure in person that color shifts so much.
I know why they do these shoots indoors.
This car should have been shot outdoors.
Yeah, it's...
Oh, you guys need to keep talking for a minute because I don't know where I'm going.
I never get to choose.
I don't know where I'm going to go next.
I need to steal something from all of you.
I'm feeling competitive today for some reason.
I don't know why.
All right.
You know what's interesting?
We all came out of that just fine.
Everyone got a great pick there.
For sure.
Yeah.
Even you, Beck.
Okay.
I'm going to go daily driver next.
I'm going to probably hurt your feelings back again, but I...
Do I want to do this?
No, I'm not going to hurt your feelings.
I'm going to save you for now.
I'm going to take a 308.
I'm going to take a 308.
I just drove mine this weekend.
I loved it.
They're a little sadder in 1980 than they are before.
They're actually quite a bit sadder because this is the 308.
I want a GTB.
I don't want a GTS.
I still want a fixed roof, but it's the GTBI.
So they go down in power.
They put injection on them.
They even do that in Europe.
So like it's...
Oh, interesting.
Yeah, they have more power in Europe than they do here,
but they put injection on it everywhere.
And then they don't get back to the power that the early cars had
until the four-valve car comes out in like 83 or whatever.
That's all CSI injection?
Great question.
I don't know actually who makes the injection.
I mean, that was what most...
It's electronic though.
I mean, they're not doing mechanical injection anymore.
CSI is a weird hybrid at the time.
Yes, correct.
It's got the fuel distributor, right?
So that's what I'm going to take.
It came in 1980, which...
Maybe it did in the earlier cars like mine too,
but I think it's called Orochiaro or something,
but there's a gold color.
We have not listed one in that color,
but that's kind of my dream 308 color.
So I'll take a gold 308 GTBI as my daily driver,
which by the way, was like a big mustache
and some bell bottoms in 1980.
Could you be much more boss than that?
No.
You would be the man if you aren't already.
I just love...
I didn't get a chance to give you guys a ride.
We'll get it back here eventually,
but it's just such a delightful car,
a weird car to drive.
And I could easily drive it every day.
I drove it a ton, so they're strange, but I love them.
All right, Tyler, what's the daily for you?
I'm going to go in a different direction.
I am going to go with four wheels on this one.
I have a two-wheeler, which I love,
but I'm going to go with a four-wheeler.
I think it'll be fun.
And also, I would love to just blow smoke
into your windows for my tailpipe at a stoplight
when I see someone with a mustache and a 308.
I'm going to go with a Plymouth Trail Duster.
I don't even know what that is.
Did you stump all three of us?
Do you guys know what that is?
No clue.
Do you know, Cam?
Are you kidding me?
What is this?
Oh, well, it's okay.
So do you know the Dodge Ram Charger?
Yes.
Yeah, so it's the Plymouth version of the Ram Charger.
And my idea was...
Sorry, it's a Trail Duster?
A Plymouth Trail Duster.
What a great name.
And I would just like to be able to tell people
as per our prior conversation that I daily a Plymouth.
My Plymouth is parked outside.
All of us are furiously typing this into our computers
because I like...
We sold a few of them.
I need to see it.
I actually even saw this when I was scanning through it.
It didn't even register in my mind
as being a different model, but you're right.
It's two words, Trail Duster as opposed to Ram Charger,
which is one.
And unlike Alex, I would like something
where I can take the roof off
so that back panel comes off just like you would expect
on a contemporary Blazer or Bronco
and just enjoy the sunshine, sit in traffic,
maybe have my tunes, a couple of cold beverages
and a cooler and...
Absolutely.
Maybe a mullet and also a handlebar mustache
at the same time.
This is total butt heavy.
And this is your daily.
Your daily.
I would, yeah.
It's so big and comfortable.
I could see over traffic.
Drive over traffic.
You call everybody brother.
Hey, brother.
Hey, brother.
Nice 308, brother.
Some of the factory packages that you could get
on these 80s four by four SUVs were so good.
Like the...
I don't know if they did this in the Trail Duster,
but the top hand version of the Ram Charger here.
What is that?
Just...
Oh, my God.
Look at that.
The factory chromatic stripe options
that you could get on that.
Say what you're looking at.
You're looking at white with like
four red stripes on a Ram Charger.
It's like the 18 special.
This is lot number.
This is unfortunately not a Trail Duster.
This is a Ram Charger, but same kind of thing.
178, 592.
But I mean, same with the later Jen Bronco,
178, 79, you got the freewheeling packages
and just a lot of the factory options
that you could get aesthetically on those cars were so good.
What are the attributes of a Trail Duster?
Is it just the brand name?
Is that all it is?
You ripped down the trail.
It's like when you're dusting people.
What are you getting in the Trail Duster options?
I'm curious.
You get a big, bad American four by four
that you can throw 18 people in the back
and like cruise to the beach in.
I don't know.
What were you looking for in something like this bag?
I do love that our model page on this
is called Dodge Ram Charger slash Plymouth Trail Duster.
And like that's about as good as a model page gets.
Most recent result that popped up on classic.com
was from Bring a Trailer, which by the way,
the most recent one sold for 57.5.
That one's really clean.
I was looking to just now.
Has a 340.
They wouldn't have had 340 stock or they did?
I have no idea what actually would have been.
That maybe a 5.9.
I don't know what.
Teller doesn't do research.
He's just going to drive one.
No, it's a daily drive.
That's the point.
They told me to drive and I can drive.
I don't know much about cars.
Well done, Don.
No, this is sick.
It's a great pick.
Thank you.
What would be your color combo?
And also, Beck, I need you to specify for the 512, too.
The colors and colors are green.
Oh, you would do the metallic green.
Okay.
What about you?
Could you get all the cool strike packages for these
like you could on a RAM charger type?
I don't think so.
And I still don't remember seeing that many packages
on RAM chargers.
I think we may have been graced with a couple of them.
But I think these are typically black, red, silver,
a couple, two tones.
I would go with a gold if there was a gold option.
Sick.
Also, you probably have to pick up smoking.
Like that would be part of that.
Yeah.
So you'd have your reds, your Bud heavies.
I'd be towing my CBX on the back.
In fact, I'd have it in the back,
kind of sticking out a little bit.
Perfect.
Man, the CHP drove RAM chargers.
Did you see this car?
That's kind of cool.
All right.
Did not see that one yet.
Man, the fact that this wasn't on my truck list
is a huge problem for me.
All right.
Oh, we got to call out the lot.
This CHP RAM charger is sick.
We just got to call out that lot number.
It is 184699.
Sadly an 82, but man, that is awesome.
What a rig.
That's a CHP officer who ripped sigs.
Okay.
K.M., where are you going for daily driver?
All right.
I'm kind of taking it on a different path than Tyler did.
I'm going to go with a 1980 Volkswagen Scirocco S.
And my heart was really going to lean into the Ravage ETI from 1980.
Which is Euro only.
That's before they came here.
Exactly.
And honestly, I think I prefer the looks
and the body shape of the Scirocco S.
Ever since, I don't know what generation it is,
but maybe the same generation as the Mark V GTI that we got here.
They had the Scirocco R in Europe.
And ever since I saw that, I've had a lust for Scirocco's.
But the S here, you came with stand with a five speed.
I think you could only get it in three colors,
which was white, black, and Mars red.
And you would choose?
I think I would go with white or black.
Probably white is my top option.
And this lot number I'm looking at here is 153510.
It's a single family ownership.
It's not the cleanest example, but has the red Ricciaro sports seats in it.
And then I believe this has the same engine that the Ravage GTI.
Right.
I was going to say, what is an S?
That means a GTI engine, basically.
Still single red cam back then.
Single red cam 1.6.
I think these were fuel injected.
But yeah, I just really love the,
basically looks like an extended Ravage GTI.
And I think a little bit more of an interesting and fun option
if you're going to go down that route.
And just having driven Randy's, I believe Mark II GTI.
This is a Mark II.
For a daily driver, it kind of gives me everything I would want out of it.
Easy to park around the city if I need to, has a five speed in it,
fun to drive around on the curvy roads, I'm sure, in some capacity.
And just a fun, quirky little car.
Great looking cars.
I've picked a Scirocco before, I think in our 77 year.
And these original ones, we sell a fair number of the Mark II Scirocco's,
but this Mark I's are like, they all either like,
they're all in junkyards or they rusted away or I don't know what happened to them.
Just aren't very many Mark I's and they're so pretty.
You never see them.
And I believe, was it the earlier Scirocco's in Europe that had this square headlight?
Oh gosh, you've got me.
I mean, 80's pretty early.
When did they come out?
Maybe 76, something like that.
There's only a couple of year old car at that point.
Yes, I believe.
And the reason that they had to have the two front round lights on the US spec vehicles
was it was either DOT approved for rectangular headlights.
And if you had the small headlights, you had to have four of them on the front.
But I think aesthetically, it works so well.
Well, it's the same for the GTI, right?
Like the Euro cars are different than when the US cars come out.
Exactly.
Man, that's such a great pick.
They're really good looking.
I've always fantasized about swapping like a 1.8 T into one of those.
So they kind of haul butt, but they're so good looking.
A later GLI or GTI engine.
And it would be so fun.
I was just talking with some of my buddies from San Luis Obispo about early wedge
Giugiaro designs.
We were talking about impulses, a Zuzu impulse,
which looks very similar to the first gen Scirocco.
Yeah, was this Giugiaro?
It is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think I showed it to you came up.
My buddy sent me a picture of a car and a Zuzu iMark.
I'd never seen one before.
Yeah, this was great.
Alex was going around the office earlier showing this car to people.
Like, what is this thing?
Well, were you with me when Randy stumped us on the Sapporo?
Yes.
Sapporo.
It's a car called a Sapporo.
Sapporo or Sapporo?
No, Sapporo.
Sapporo, also a beer.
It was a Chrysler or a Plymouth.
I can't remember.
And we just listened to one.
Type in support.
Type the beer name into the thing, and you'll see it.
Randy showed it to me in back during a pod live.
Mitsubishi Sapporo.
Mitsubishi.
And hid the name.
He's like, what is this?
Beck and I didn't know.
Then that happened.
Plymouth Sapporo.
78 Plymouth Sapporo.
But I think it's also a Mitsu.
It's bold, I think.
Oh, OK, OK.
But it has a roll bar, like a 9-11 Targa.
And then I got stumped on the iMark today,
and I actually had to ask a few BAT staffers, which was rare.
So I got the answer.
Of course, we got the answer.
It was weird.
And I also love that when you looked over at me,
you just go, no.
And walk it.
That's true.
I also love the label of this video
in this Plymouth Sapporo gallery.
The only unreliable Japanese car.
Give it to Plymouth.
He'll figure out how to make it unreliable.
It'll actually improve their reliability.
So they met in the middle, like Benjamin Button.
But then I got stumped again today with the trail duster.
Well, too much.
If you had said ram charger, I would have.
Yeah, you guys know ram charger.
But that's why I like the trail duster.
Nobody knows it.
You're so lucky, Beck.
I saved it for you.
I saved it for you.
What do you got?
What is this?
I saved it.
I think we all know what he's going to pick.
Well, I mean, what helps is...
I'm going to write it down without you even saying.
Oh, I want to see what he writes down.
Yeah, now I kind of want to...
I think we should make Alex go first then.
I got it right.
He got it right.
There's a specific version of it.
So, yes, 9-11 SC Visock, which was a very unique variant
because of the fact that the turbo was no longer available in the US.
They were trying to find different ways to specialize the 9-11.
We were not yet at the M491, which is the turbo look that comes a few years later.
But if you wanted a wing on your 9-11 SC,
the Visock was the best way to do it.
And it is very importantly not the turbo wing.
Prior to this time, if you optioned a wing on a standard naturally aspirated 9-11,
you got whatever was currently the sporty wing option.
There was not a bunch of different versions of it.
But the whale tail wing, the true one,
where basically it follows the deck lid going downward
and then it shoots back up to the top of the spoiler,
which is like the 74 Carrera or the early Turbo Carreras before they were intercooled.
You could get this wing for that car,
but it's still a narrow body, still naturally aspirated.
CIS injection, not CSI, I misspoke earlier.
So, it's basically a standard SC.
I've driven an ADSC a bunch and I think they actually have more stock power.
I think it's the classic case that they weren't updating what the actual numbers were.
I think they're closer to 200.
But these are wonderful to drive, obviously,
but they have, I think, these great unique looks,
only available in two colors, two different shades of color.
Black and gold, I think, right?
Yeah, basically, like a really dark...
I used to work on the head burgundy carpets and burgundy piping.
Or do they all have that?
Interiors are quite unique in that they all came with an off-color piping,
which is very unique.
Are they all sports seats?
That's a good question.
A lot of them are, I think.
Probably are.
I mean, this is the kind of thing where, if you ordered this, you were probably...
You were missing your turbo.
Do they... Does each color, do you get the color-matched
fuchs, depending on what color you choose?
I believe that was part of it.
A lot of the gold ones have gold spokes.
I mean, just that color of fuchs is so good.
The Vysox were, maybe still are, incredibly desirable,
like almost turbo prices for them.
There was a certain number and that was back when special order really meant special order.
Like, Vysox meant you were actually getting a custom built car.
Now, that's all gone.
Now, there's gold, there's echelons of it.
There's PTS and then there's Exclusive.
But they're cranking them out of a regular factory.
It's not going to some special wishes department like they used to.
And special wishes might just be that you're not picking a specific color that isn't available.
You're just picking a color that was available one year before.
They're just bringing it back out.
This particular lot is Lot 223-299.
It is a single family owned example, which is the way to do it.
Ooh, good number.
And yeah, they're not really 930 turbo numbers, I would argue.
That doesn't really come up, it's a little...
But it's definitely between regular SCs and in your turbos.
They're often actually in like really great shape.
Yes.
I think because people sort of sensed the value of them a bit more,
kept them a little more special.
Maybe some early speculative purchasing happening around this time.
So they tend to be just all around better one.
Mechanically speaking, I actually don't believe there's any difference.
No, I think that's true.
It's not like the M491 cars where they gave them turbo stuff.
Turbo brakes and turbo suspension, all that.
It may have been a scramble.
I don't know the history.
It may have been a scramble to replace the turbo.
Could have been.
And then additionally, it's similar to how like a speedster has the same engine,
but I think in the speedster still has turbo brakes and wide bottom.
So this is cutting the pie a different way.
The two-tone interior is so interesting.
Does this one have the burgundy carpets?
Yeah, okay.
It actually looks awesome when you're inside it.
It kind of looks like a Louboutin thing.
It totally, the red bottoms, you know?
I wonder if that was any sort of experience.
My wife would love that.
Shout out to Jamie.
Maybe Christian drove a 1980 SC.
You're thinking?
Great pick back.
Not surprised at all.
Pick that one.
I almost went there.
You could sense it when I went 308 instead.
But a category that you and I both got to pick the car that we own.
I know.
I know.
Pretty great.
Also, I've kind of seen what you can do here with, you know,
pick sports cars.
You can kind of pick cars that also fit into different categories,
but we could of course use them however you'd like.
I ain't going to cheat here though.
We're going family next and I'm leaning right in.
And I'm still in a car that maybe I might be,
probably not from Utah,
but I couldn't bear to be stealing this from Becker Cam.
So we're going family haulers next.
And I am taking another Euro car.
This really tells you about the engine problems in the United States.
Euro 450 SEL 6.9.
There you go.
Was that on your list?
No, but I was thinking about it though.
This car, this is lot number 224467.
Look at this bad boy.
6.9 Maroon.
Longwell has cloth interior.
These Euro 116s and also 126s.
I love so much these.
I guess they're kind of the first two S-classes, right?
The 116 and the 126, but man, do I love them.
Look at this cloth interior in this car, which is so sick.
I know that is tough.
I think I would have to change that.
They're attempting to go for like an AMG look,
but that's an easy fix.
But you still get the dry sump and 100 big monster motor.
It looks tight even in an S-class engine compartment.
I love 6.3s and 6.9s in any body style, but I love that motor.
I love them in the big 600 grocers too.
I was just going to say, the spiritual successor to the 600.
Totally.
This isn't the special locks and window system.
Oh, no, no.
I think this is conventional electric everywhere.
It's probably a better car than those, right?
There's a much more standard car.
But also, again, another problem with the US,
the Euro lights and the Euro bumpers fix all ails.
They just look so much better than US stuff.
Anyway, that's my pick.
It's a good car.
I'm having a good time getting to pick the things that I like.
This is fantastic.
Do you not go first?
Is this your first time or is it horrible luck?
I have horrible luck and then I also pick things that nobody likes.
I'm just like a perpetual loser.
Nobody even wants to sell it.
I invented the game and I'm a perpetual loser.
Made up the rules.
I know.
At the very beginning, we tried to make it who won the Instagram poll
and whoever loses it gets to go first, but we've gone random instead.
All right, Tyler, are you ready with a family hauler?
Yes. And by the way, I did also have a Mercedes on my list
that one of the others may pick.
So it wasn't totally out of my wheelhouse on that one, Alex.
But I am going to go American on this.
You're charming everybody with being outside of your wheelhouse, man.
I am going to go American on this.
I'm going with a Cadillac Seville.
Oh, great.
And this is when they had that kind of sloping rear deck and trunk.
Isn't there a faux tire?
You could get that.
That was more of a Lincoln thing.
But yes, you could get that in your Seville.
I think the Seville came out in the late 70s.
And I want to say the first gen of that did.
That may have even been stock where the spare tire was.
But the one I'm looking at now is a two-tone.
What are the actual colors?
It's like brown and tan, which is perfect for 1980.
And it's got a California blue plate.
We sold it in May 2024.
Looking at this, Tyler, I don't know if you remember this.
Boats can only be in wildcard.
That's right.
Yes.
That's what it is.
Back.
That's a dad joke.
My first car was a 96 Cadillac DeVille, which was a yacht, actually, not a boat.
That's a North Star, isn't it?
It was.
It had the 4.6-doule over at Cam North Star, and it would light up the front tires.
So Cadillac knows what they're doing.
The North Star Era Seville is kind of a secret favorite of mine.
They're like mid-sized sporty Cadillac with the North Star.
I bet we've sold nice ones of those.
I haven't looked in a long time.
The Seville in that era is front-wheel drive or rear-wheel drive in 1980?
Let's see.
This one is a...
This is a transaxle.
So it's front-wheel drive.
Yeah, three-speed auto.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, transaxle, fuel injected, 350.
Could you get the terrible 4.6-8 diesel in these?
I can't remember.
You could in, I know in like 82 or 81, I don't know if 80, they had the diesel.
But I'm looking at an 82 Seville diesel right here.
Is yours the elegante here?
And you know what, Ty, what's your elegante?
Okay, what's your lot number?
My lot number is 148914, as some people may know.
Since moving to California, I've become a bit of a license plate snob.
Oh, you want the blue plates?
So I need the blue plate.
You know what, man?
There's nothing wrong with that.
There's nothing wrong with being a blue plate snob.
Yeah, I'm a blue plate snob.
Man, this is so great.
I actually do like it's quite a bit.
It's really...
It's a lot of car for $8,000.
Yeah, the rear end is so strange.
It's an injected 350.
It's just a small injected small block.
But it's north...
What's the HPs on it?
Oh, I'm sure it makes $150.
Well, I was just saying, I was going to guess $175.
But you know what's interesting is it...
We don't have it published.
I'm pretty sure it's north-south, but front-wheel drive.
So it's the old Cadillac style front-wheel drive system,
like the 70s front-wheel drive cars with the 500 cubic inch engine,
where they're north-south, but then drive the front wheels.
I know, I know, like a Subaru or an Audi.
Audis are still north-south, but you know, front-wheel drive set up kind of,
even though they have all-wheel drive.
Tyler, I would love for you to fulfill this desire for this.
I do.
Relatively easy financially.
Yeah, I was going to say, I could do this, yeah.
But this sure would be fun to drive around.
I mean, you know, gas prices have come down a little bit over the last year, right?
Totally.
I mean, maybe it'll work.
And certainly when new, no one cared about seatbelts,
so you could put a lot of kids in here.
Well, I can confirm you can fit a lot of kids in a 96 Deville.
Sure, having that as my high school car.
You can fit a lot in a 912E if you're working hard enough.
Awesome pick, Tyler.
Cam, where we going family hauler style?
All right, family hauler, I'm going to stick with the Volkswagen trend
and also a vehicle that I have had experience with myself.
I'm going to go with the 80 Volkswagen Vanagon.
And I will speak from experience that, or the use case that I bought mine for,
it was not the greatest option.
I was doing a road trip through the Canadian Rockies
and very high elevations.
And mine was a carbureted example.
But these came with a two liter.
They were air cooled still at this point up until 83.
That being said, outside of going up large grades
and having to draft behind semis to get anywhere,
if I was using this as a just get around town,
take your family to the beach, take them camping somewhere.
I absolutely loved the aesthetics and functionality of this vehicle
from a just non driving standpoint.
And just all of the, I feel like nearly everyone you encounter
has experienced some sort of trip or something in a Volkswagen Vanagon.
Some sort of trip for sure.
Yeah, some sort of trip.
And yeah, these just hold a really, really special place in my heart.
I think these were truly the beginning of kind of the van life thing
that is now currently taking over.
You know, this led to the Eurovans and then very far onwards.
But yeah, I just, I love the West Folly pop top, the kitchen inside.
I think you could only get these in yellow.
Oh, you want a Westie?
I think the only an 80 came out as West Folly is.
Oh, there was no standard.
I don't know if you could get a transporter in 80.
Oh, maybe not in the US.
Elsewhere, you must.
I'm sure.
Yeah, okay.
Yeah, okay.
But you would want a Westie anyways.
Yeah, mine was a Westie.
And yeah, just having the pop top, throw the kids up top,
let them do whatever hang out.
And there's synchros or no, the all-wheel drive.
80, they did not have synchros.
In a perfect world, I would have a synchro.
And what would be the motor swap in your perfect world?
Porsche or Subaru?
Honestly, I actually ran into a couple on my road trip who they had a
synchro van again that the dude was an engineer and he fully engineered a Jetta GLI swap into it.
And he let me drive that thing around.
I was like, if my had this engine in it, I could take this thing anywhere.
A 16 valve force cylinder?
Yeah, sick.
Wow.
And he did it all himself.
I have never seen anyone else do that engine swap into a van again before.
So, sir, I forget your name, but if you're out there listening, excellent work.
Well, great pick.
You may have actually just won with that.
Vanigans are so beloved.
I used to work on them and they were just brutal to work on.
Oh, really?
Disliked it.
But they weren't worth much 25 years ago.
And my boss would tell people all the time, he's like,
this is not worth what you're going to spend to fix it.
And people are like, I don't care.
Like they would not part with their van again, particularly Westies, right?
And I would say that's still the case.
Uh-huh.
Totally.
Yeah.
Totally.
But I think you were totally called it by the like this started van life there
or no sprinters or anything back then.
So this is what you had to do, basically.
This was like the main camper.
And you had, I mean, early on, you know, you have your bay window, door,
mobile and stuff.
But I think this truly started like the outdoor, explore, go camp.
The alternative was like a big America.
Like I actually had, because I assumed I would go fourth place.
I had, as a family hauler, when you guys took all the good stuff,
I had a conversion van, 1980 conversion van.
That was like kind of your alternative.
Yeah.
Like it was like either a big rear wheel drive American truck based van
that you could like.
Filled with smoke inside.
Yes.
And shat carpeting and all that stuff in a porthole or like this.
And this is like so much more economical and you know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Great pick.
Great pick.
All right, Beck.
No Aston Martin shooting breaks this year.
I don't think.
Oh, I found one.
I was going to say there might be one.
I found one.
However, I'm not going to pick it.
Oh, thank God.
I will let you know.
Yes.
The Aston Martin Lagonda series two shooting by Calestra did exist.
Oh, is that the big horrible Lagonda that's got all the digital get dashes and stuff?
It's pretty awful.
Actually, it looks like a Volvo wagon.
But people love these for some reason.
Can somebody explain that to me?
People are obsessed with these Lagonda things.
I mean, I think it's for the kind of like you just said,
that really strikes me as a 245 DL.
And I know and there's a lot of love for those.
So, you know, for sure.
Throwing Aston Martin was a V8 in that.
All right, so I'm not I'm not picking that though,
because we were just in Palm Springs for a VAT meetup.
And we had sort of a one car purely on display up at the top in the center.
It was a 79 Ford Pinto wagon.
Oh, yes.
Which was our shout out to our host, the folks who invited us.
Correct.
Aaron, username AGL, he bought that car on the site as a surprise for his partner.
If you haven't yet, go on, bring a trailer, type in Time Machine.
I know you're going to get a bunch of delorients,
but also there is a video about the success story of this car,
and it is phenomenal.
Possibly the best, if not maybe the second best.
There's a father-daughter video as well that's on VAT.
It is a genuinely amazing and emotional piece about a guy who got to buy,
you got to go back in time and buy his car that he was a very,
first car, but also he had to live in this car for a while.
It's a very emotional, great story.
And I got to see it for the first time in person in Palm Springs.
He was perfection in that car.
It is ridiculously clean.
It's really nice.
However, it's a 79, so I can't pick it.
So I'm instead doing a 1984 Pinto rally pack wagon.
Oh my goodness, look at that.
This thing has porthole windows on the side.
It is a rally package and it is lot number 137128.
Look at the interior on this.
We've got cloth, technically bucket seats,
but you're not staying in that seat if you go sideways.
$9,300 that sold for.
Wow.
What a deal, screaming deal, and it looks incredible inside and out.
1980 Ford Pinto rally pack wagon, four speed.
Wow, Becky might have just...
I know, he's winning from fourth place.
He's good.
I see what the problem is now.
The ultimate is when you pit him and Zach together,
it's really tough to even be in the room when they're doing it.
What's up with the porthole on this?
I mean, what an amazing car.
Yeah, what is the...
Is there any...
Let's not all forget Beck was like,
oh, I didn't have time to prep and I'm not ready.
I will say, I will say,
he did ask for an extra five minutes of research and...
Did you find the rally pack in your extra five minutes?
Oh, sure, I know.
Bastard.
No, that is it.
I would love to know the decision behind the porthole inclusion.
I assume it's because you might go camping
and you're laying back there,
you want to be able to look out that window there.
It's like perfectly lined up where your head would be too.
It's like my conversion van, but it's a four speed Pinto instead.
It's sick.
Look at God, the seats are so good.
This little motor was what was in...
I love these motors.
This was what was in my turbo coop, my 87 turbo coop,
but with a turbo and an intercooler on it.
It's this little Pinto motor that powered so many...
How many millions of Ford's do you think had this?
Oh my God, so many.
And it's one of those motors that these...
It's like the Chevy Small Block or something.
They did so many different things with this motor.
Man, this one is also really nice.
This is really nice.
It's very nice.
Fantastic.
There's the famous Pinto front end
that's on every hot rod build and custom ever.
There it is.
There's what they were pulling it from.
82 horsepower.
Yeah, but you could fix that.
That's true.
Put the Mercur, put the full Mercur package on there.
Great one.
Great colors.
Really good pick.
Damn.
Okay.
Let's see.
Okay.
We're going to go truck four by four next.
It's back around the horn to me.
And boy, am I glad I had first pick
because this is another one I'm afraid somebody would have taken.
I'm going to take AMC Eagle.
That's nice.
But it's not the wagon.
It's the two door, which I didn't...
This is something I didn't know about till I worked at BAT.
The coop version of the famous AMC Eagle.
I think we all think of the AMC Eagle as the lifted wagon,
but there is a two door version of it.
This is lot number 168187.
And boy, is it a weird looking car.
I've always liked these.
There was a guy, my buddy Tony from Slow, from San Luis Obispo.
There was a guy who lived across the street.
I think this is right from one of his ex-girlfriends,
or maybe she like was his roommate.
And he loved AMC Eagle wagons.
He had like a bunch of them and it was one of those...
If you're in your home down there's that house where you're like,
God, who is that person?
They've got four or five weird cars.
There's a house in the outer sunset with all the sobs.
You know that house?
So it's by a school.
I don't want to blast this guy.
Someone's like, okay, where are all the sobs?
He's got like six or seven sobs,
including like little weird sob three wheelers and stuff.
And his neighbors must hate him
because the whole block has all of his cars.
There's like a, a vegan and a nine five arrow totally.
And this guy, there were always these weird AMC wagons.
And that's kind of how I found out about him,
you know, in high school and stuff.
And then finally,
here's my buddy's girlfriend either living across the street
or with this guy I've met him.
And I was like, what's your deal, dude?
And I've always liked these cars ever since.
And again, until I came to BAT,
didn't know that there was a coupe version of them.
It's a lot of them, they were all wagons.
So anyway, this is also a clean one, really cool car.
I'm stoked to have it.
Look at this interior.
Come on, similar to your Pentel.
Just such a wild idea for a real drive coupe.
Well, that's the thing.
I would love to meet the person walking on the dealership lot in 1980
going, I want that too.
I'll take it.
Well, I don't think they, I think most people are like,
I want the wagon.
But I mean, it is, in some ways, it's so ahead of its time.
It's the SUV of its day, right?
Like there are that Subaru Outback or whatever.
This is all people drive now.
Are these crossover four-wheel drive, like wagon,
like Mercedes, the GLA is kind of basically that, isn't it?
All of these, like, yeah, all these things to Subaru.
Like even the,
In fact, my Mercedes outside.
100%.
ID 350 is that.
What the van again was to van life.
The MC Eagle was to Safari.
Freedom.
There you go.
That's true.
All right.
Congratulations again to me.
Let's see.
We are going Tyler next.
All right.
So I've got four by four.
I've got another Eagle in quotes here.
Jeep CJ seven golden Eagle.
Oh, great.
Black with gold trim and 304 V8.
What doors off or on off?
The doors would just be permanently lost.
They would just be gone.
Yeah.
I do a bed liner on the inside, like marine grade vinyl.
One of those marine stereos and just leave it out.
I love it.
Both these cars, I will say,
are in early parts of Back to the Future.
AMC Eagle is Jennifer's dad.
There's an Eagle is Back to the Future.
It's kind of forgotten about that.
Jennifer's dad's car.
And then obviously, I believe it specifically is a CJ seven,
is what Martin McFly drags himself behind on the skateboard
as a foreshadowing to 1955.
That's a golden Eagle or it's just a CJ seven.
It's definitely a CJ, but it's a CJ seven.
It's in blue.
No door.
Okay.
Top off.
Yeah.
I mean, if you just look at like what the doors and the top looks like on this thing,
my friend had a CJ seven in high school and it barely had seat belts.
I mean, this was not a car that I mean,
you could fold the windshield down.
This is not a car where you're worried about the doors and tops.
So my dad taught my mom how to drive stick shift on a CJ seven.
Oh, perfect.
And this was in a parking lot back down in San Diego.
And the story goes that she in her first attempt to let the clutch out,
let it out a bit too fast and popped a wheelie in the Jeep on top of a station wagon.
The two front wheels ended up on the rear trunk of the station wagon.
Well, Beck and I were just randomly talking about manual transmission cars that don't have
tachometers.
Sure.
Oh yeah.
The CJ would have would have been one of them.
Totally.
Totally.
Yeah.
The van again just had a little one, two, three marks on the spell.
Where you shifted.
Indicators.
And if you're going this fast, maybe be in the gear.
Yeah.
That's how my gear was.
That's how Beatles are, right?
Yeah.
Just one big gauge in the middle.
And then like a fuel gauge.
I think my W124 5-speed was that way too.
No, it would have had a tach.
It had a tach, but I think it also had more like.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Love that.
You said V8.
Are they, is that an option or you want to swap?
No, the Golden Eagle is V8.
Oh, that's what a Golden Eagle is.
That's why you get the Golden Eagle.
Yeah.
Okay.
And there are manuals or they come both ways.
I don't know if you can get them both ways to get us with you.
It's worth it to have V8 though.
Heck yes, it is.
You say you buy it because of the V8,
but I think you also buy it because of the freaking enormous Golden Eagle on top of the hood.
So this is a brown one, but you can get the same exact thing in black.
Oh, I would have thought you want white gold.
Isn't white gold the classic?
You can get it on gold, but I know I like black.
Okay, black.
It's just with gold wheels.
It's kind of a wild look.
And we did sell a 1980 Golden Hawk 4-speed,
which is in the correct color trim of black with gold accents.
But that's still just an inline four though.
No, no, you need the V8.
Yeah, you'd have to have the V8.
So 1980.
I mean, and V8s and Wranglers are fairly unheard of always, really.
There's only a few years where you could actually do that.
I mean, this was one of them.
Yeah, black with all the gold trim and, you know,
pack of Marlboro's on the dash.
Fantastic pick.
Honestly, everybody has had fantastic picks all around.
Again, just saying 1980, maybe not as bad as we all assume.
No, it's great.
All right, Cam, trucking four by four.
Where are you going?
All right.
I kind of leaned into the four by four part of this,
and I'm going to go with a 1980 Subaru GL wagon four-wheel drive.
But specifically, and I have to do a bit of research.
I'm going to have to send Chris some links on this,
but there was a US ski team version of this wagon.
Amazing.
But they only made about 350 of these all came with special decals from the factory.
They came with special roof racks, heavier duty suspension,
and then like extra lighting racks on top of the top of the roof.
Oh my God, look at that, dude.
Isn't that?
Oh, those alloys are hubbies.
They look like hubcaps.
Look at this, guys.
Oh, that's amazing.
Now, do you know how the US ski team did that year?
I did not look into that, but Subaru was a sponsor of the US ski team.
And then I found a couple of these around that apparently once they were done with them,
they just kind of did this US ski team gear auction.
And that's where a lot of these kind of got sold off to random places.
But I thought a bit apropos, you know, all winter Olympics.
And I just love a this car, but I love everything that's happened recently with,
you know, the Hoonigan GL family huckster,
then kind of like bringing that back into their motorsports purview.
And I don't know, I just a really cool car.
And I wanted to go with something different that wasn't leaning in the truck direction.
And you found another good one.
Interestingly, I mean, this is so this happens to back and I all the time we did the truck
four by four category, we didn't pick trucks and neither did you.
And even the Jeep is kind of not a truck.
So we got like, this is like, you know, International Truck Haters Club.
We were able to all get cars, which I love.
That's a great pick.
You guys were crushing that, man.
Also, one point, it is really interesting to me that Jeep, I feel like is one of the few
vehicles like similar to Kleenex, where you would never say nice truck or nice car.
You would always tell someone nice Jeep.
Yeah, that's right.
It should be it should be a Jeep in four by four category.
Yeah, well, I got my son this like electric thing looks like a truck, you know,
like a thing that he can drive like a power wheels, but it's like has four wheel drive and stuff.
And he calls it his Jeep because like it's very distinctively like a Jeep and not like a pickup
truck. It's similar to the discussion at the top of the podcast where we were saying how
911s have that generational connective tissue.
Jeeps absolutely have this, right?
Like you feel like you're driving some heritage.
There's some history there.
And you can see that silhouette and you know exactly what it is.
And Harleys, like we were talking about, like there's a couple vehicles where it's like,
yeah, 911s, Harleys and Jeeps, that kind of thing.
Fantastic.
All right, Beck, round us out.
I'm going to be picking out the German Jeep, which would be the 1980 Mercedes-Benz 280G.
Oh, well done.
Oh, great, nice.
That was going to be my second choice.
It's an excellent truck.
It's specifically the gas powered, not the diesel is what I would want.
Although that is the tough motor, the 280.
Isn't that the twin cam motor?
I believe it.
Yeah, okay.
Let's see here.
Yep, there it is.
And you want a cab?
I want a cab.
It is lot number 179694.
It is painted in a gorgeous green, similar to my 512, unclear if that's what it was originally.
But I think it looks wonderful.
I love that these are incredibly capable, similar to that Jeep, but very much with a German aesthetic.
Also, some weird less so for the Jeep, but some military generational history there.
This is one of those classic cases where this could also be family hauler.
This could be daily.
It's such a usable rig.
Is that the color you would go with?
Or is there another Mercedes color from 1980 you would prefer?
I don't know.
I kind of like this green.
I would take this exact one.
I would want a different motor in it probably and maybe a five speed.
But man, everything else about it is perfect.
The wheels, the tires.
I might take that front grille off like the press car.
Yeah.
I don't love the whole lights behind it though.
Did they come with that plate like the kind of plate man?
Oh, it's got the diamond plate.
Oh, diamond plate.
Yeah, that's added I think.
I don't plan on walking on top of the hood of this car.
My favorite is when you get one of these maybe a little bit later in the 80s and they just have a W124 interior in them.
That's like the same rig.
That's the best one where it's got the same interior as the W124.
But it's got like the burl wood and everything.
The burl wood and that same switchware from that era,
which is so solid when you're locking all three differentials because you need to.
Yes, very good pick.
Yeah, fantastic.
Man, you guys are crushing it.
Really, really good job.
1980s, really.
I mean, like we were saying, it's solid.
It's a good year for a lot of cars.
Although there's a lot of stuff that's not US that we're picking.
Yeah, we'll do some honorable mentions here in just a minute.
Let's do wildcard first.
Very quickly, is back to the future?
Are car movies just up in our car pod?
Yes.
Yeah.
This question was asked at the last one, I think.
And I said, absolutely.
Is Blues Brothers a car?
That came out in 1980.
I was thinking, I think that's actually a car movie, too.
I haven't watched it in a long time.
I mean, it's got the famous car chase at the end.
But to me, in some ways, my favorite thing was Rune.
I think it was the four of us that did Bullet, right?
When we were like more interested in the background.
Because really, Bullet's just got a couple famous car scenes.
But then there are cars throughout it, right?
Which makes it kind of a car movie, even if it's not, right?
I mean, you're pointing out, what was it?
Is it D-type that's just in the back or C-type?
Yes, in the background.
I want to say the XKSS, I think.
Maybe that's what it was.
McQueen's car, is that it?
Yeah.
That's a topic for a different day.
All right.
Wild card.
I'm a little torn here because I could pick my actual old race car,
which was a 1980 RX-7 in which I have very fond memories
and I learned a lot about.
But it was also a pile of crap, so I don't really want that.
I'm going to take a car that I considered taking in daily
driver, which is just too terrible to do.
But it is a 1984 McLaren Mustang M81.
You're going to pick that.
I love that.
You know, I love Fox bodies and this is kind of the predecessor
to the SVO, which you all know I love, right?
And that was kind of along the lines of my point of some brands
having a lot of racing heritage.
And I feel like Ford kind of lost that a bit into the 70s
and coming back with that thing, like that was a factory.
Yes, big flare, but it was like done with McLaren
and they put a turbo on the motor and everything, right?
Yeah, trying out stuff.
That's that Pinto motor again, so we share a motor here,
but with a turbo on it, right?
And this is a predecessor to Mercure and all these things
they did later.
But this is pretty early for all this kind of stuff.
And this thing is wild looking.
This is a totally stock car.
You're saying street car?
Yes, this is a street car.
What's the lot number on that?
I mean, this is incredible.
This is lot number 195275.
There's also, I think maybe more famously,
I think they're a year or two later, there's orange ones.
They only made 10 in 1980, but there's
ASC McLaren Mustangs that are made for this first couple
years of the thing.
And they would make a few each year.
They're kind of custom, but I think you order it through a
Ford dealer.
But yeah, turbocharger, Recaro seats.
Again, not a race car for the street.
That's not right.
But racing technology brought to the street.
And pretty forward thinking, a Mustang rear wheel drive,
but with a four cylinder with a turbo on it and sporty.
It's got big fender flares on it and BBS style wheel.
Oh, no, there are actual BBSs on this.
Sorry.
And adjustable coneys and stuff.
Pretty cool.
I mean, it's a Fox body trying to compete with your SC,
basically, in 1980.
But they have to do all these mods to it.
But I just have always thought they were cool.
And this is supposed to be obviously a road course car.
Correct?
I mean, I think it's a street car.
It's not homologation or anything.
Because they didn't build enough for them.
I actually should have done more research.
I'm not totally sure of the reason why they did it,
other than to have a car that can kind of compete with
European sports cars.
But it's an American platform.
And McLaren, did they do another Mustang Fox body?
Yeah, the orange ones that I was talking about,
or they're yellow or orange.
I think they're ASC McLaren.
Which ASC also did collaborations with other manufacturers
and built other kind of hot rod versions of cars.
I think isn't the pace car from Days of Thunder.
Wasn't that an ASC?
It was a Grand Prix.
Yeah, but it was an ASC Grand Prix, wasn't it?
Yeah, American specialty companies, corporations,
something like that.
Anyways, I'm putting myself out there on a podcast.
I can't remember what ASC stands for.
But anyway, love these cars.
Had not known until I did the research for this
that there was a 1980 version of this.
I thought it was just those yellow orange ones
back that came later.
Another car that I didn't know about until I worked at BAT.
We've listed a couple of the slightly later ones.
But then the car I really want is the SVO,
but that doesn't come out till 84,
which is basically putting this
into a much more mass produced package.
So many different interesting ASC McLaren collabs on these cars.
Obviously, we just mentioned the Grand Prix,
the Pontiac Turbo, the Fox body Mustang,
but also a Mercury Capri.
Oh, that's right.
There's Capris.
Yes, that's right.
ASC cut the top off some other cars, too.
Didn't they cut the top off the Celicas?
Aren't those ASCs, the early Celica convertibles?
Pretty sure that's right.
No one wants to challenge that.
Alex and I are kind of like looking around at Beck and Cam
waiting for one of them.
Anyway, that's my choice.
Love those cars.
Great choice.
I figured someone choose that thing.
All right, Tyler, you're up next.
All right.
God, I don't know which direction this is from that,
but I would love to rock one of these, a Zimmer Golden Spirit.
Oh, interesting.
I came across that in my research.
So these are kind of cool.
Yeah, they're just like wild.
I did.
It's all written down on my list.
I saw it.
I love Excalibur as well, but Zimmer, I would say,
kind of hit the 80s hard, plus built in Cambridge, Wisconsin,
using a Mercury Cougar chassis.
Now, the connection to a lot of things we talk about,
Cambridge, Wisconsin, is home to 2003 NASCAR champion Matt Kenseth,
who also drove a Ford.
So just a lot of Ford history in the small town of Cambridge, Wisconsin.
Love it.
And you're saying a Golden Spirit, not the Quicksilver?
Yeah, that's correct.
That is bold.
I would totally show up at the local country club.
We're going to show up to Tyler's house,
and he's going to have a Seville in the driveway,
or sit next to his Golden Spirit.
He's going to show up with his 101 Dalmatians.
Maybe I've got a type here.
That's a great reference, too.
That's exactly what this looks like.
Okay, fantastic.
Did you have a lot?
Never mind.
It doesn't look like we've had an 80, right?
So they made him an 80, but we haven't had an 80.
If you look up just any Zimmer, not pretty much.
A Golden Spirit though, because there's the other weird one, too.
Quicksilver.
Yeah, Quicksilver.
That's the more modern looking.
Looks of its period.
This is like a retro.
It's an Excalibur.
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, like the Excalibur.
Looks like a 500K, but yeah.
Great pick, Tyler, and that's pretty wild.
So well done.
That's kind of the spirit of Wildcard.
The Golden Spirit.
It is the Golden Spirit.
And your second Golden Something pick in a row.
Well done.
All right, Cam, what do you got for us?
All right, mine is out there,
but given we have listed one of them from the 80s,
I think it's a pretty fair pick.
I'm going to go with a 1980 Boston Wailer Montauk 17-foot.
Oh, yes.
Fantastic.
And truly, I have had a Boston Wailer Montauk
on my desire list since I was about 14 years old.
I was very into fishing in high school,
especially at the San Diego Bay,
and the amount of Boston Wailer Montauks
I would see out there.
But 17 feet, a little center console,
put a little 30 to 50 horsepower engine on it,
like putting around San Francisco Bay or San Diego Bay.
And if you want, you can go to lot number 220837,
and that's an 86 Montauk 17.
I, a lot of people refer to these as like the Land Cruiser of boats.
They're nearly indestructible from a whole standpoint,
and just extremely simple and all I would ever need out of a boat.
But I could certainly see myself cruising out around on the San Francisco Bay
or down back in San Diego on one of these things.
Just has a strong nostalgic place in my heart.
Sick.
My dad is a 16-foot Dauntless,
which is kind of the more of the ocean going version.
A little bit deeper hole.
Yeah, deeper V-hole.
And you're right, it's just like,
the 17 is kind of like the perfect,
growing up in the Long Island Sound area.
Like that's just what we ripped around.
Oh yeah.
So those are just fantastic, fantastic boats.
Are these sturdy enough that you can put a big old honking mower on there?
Could you have like a 75-horse outboard on that?
Are you mad at me?
Or is it not strong enough?
I bet you could.
I'm sure you could.
Especially now, I'm sure engines are...
You have to reinforce the transom or something.
Maybe, yeah.
But I'm for sure seeing 17s with at least 50s on them,
which would honestly be bids.
My dad's got a 90 on his 16 on the Dauntless,
so it's a more modern boat.
But you could go up to a 140,
because the only difference is the tuning on it,
so the weight doesn't actually change.
Oh, okay.
And I wanted him to do it, but he didn't.
That would be insane.
Especially on a Dauntless,
it might work because you have the deeper hole on it.
Whereas a Montauk,
I'm sure you're going to be planing out pretty quick.
The Montauk is just such a great bay boat, though.
That's just such a carefree weekend on the bay.
I love it.
Super Dangerous website, boattrader.com.
Don't go to the Boston Wheeler section on that.
It's real bad.
No, we can't go there,
because then the next is going to be plaintrader.com or something,
and then you guys will go off on a tangent.
All right, Beck, round us out.
All right, so for my wildcard pick,
I have a probably no surprise Porsche,
but it is a 935K3, specifically Apple Computer.
Oh, amazing.
That's the Bobby Rahall, right?
This is the one.
That livery is just wonderful.
That was very short, right?
It was very short.
I want to say it was for late 79, early 1980.
It is just a gorgeous, iconic livery that is the one.
Yeah.
That's the best era of Apple branding, too.
Are they still Porsches or is that Kremmer built at that point?
I think that is Kremmer built, which is what the K3 is all about.
In 1980, God, that seems early for Apple to me.
It is a race car?
They were that big at that time?
From what I understand, very briefly.
They were like, did not sponsor a lot of this stuff,
but very briefly did that.
I think it was maybe, was it only one race, maybe?
I don't know, actually.
I don't know how long.
There's a lot of trivia to this,
but there's one famous picture with the door open with Bobby sitting in it, right?
He's got like cool sunglasses on and his driving suit on,
and it's when the Apple was all the different color.
It's iconic for a reason.
It's very cool.
Wow.
Great pack back.
Thank you.
Do you have the name of the race by any chance?
I've always wanted to know a little bit more about the story of that thing.
Just on that one.
Yeah, there it is.
That's the look.
Oh, I just got the gold disc wheels on it, too.
It's like the perfect spec for a 935.
Fantastic.
So freaking good.
All right.
Amazing stuff.
Should I recap all of our picks and then we can do honorable mentions?
Please do.
Yes.
All right.
My picks for sports car BMW M1 in orange.
I need people to know.
Daily driver 308 GTBI in gold.
Family hauler Mercedes-Benz 450 SEL 6.9 Euro car.
Truck 4x4 AMC Eagle 2-door sedan and wild card a Mustang McLaren M81.
Tyler sports car sports vehicle Honda CBX in black.
Daily Plymouth trail duster.
We all got an education on that.
Family hauler Cadillac Seville.
Truck 4x4 Jeep CJ7 Golden Eagle in black and gold and wild card a 1980 Zimmer Golden Spirit.
For Cam, a sports car, black, black Euro 930 Turbo.
Extremely sick.
A daily driver of Volkswagen Scirocco S in white.
Family hauler VW Vanagon Westphalia.
Truck 4x4 Subaru GL wagon four-wheel drive, particularly the US ski team edition,
which is not going to be very effective hauling his wild card.
You might need something different for that, which is a Boston Wailer Montauk 17 foot boat.
Maybe it could do it.
I don't know.
I don't think it could do it.
Those things are pretty light.
Maybe not in San Francisco.
Don't take it up a hill.
Back sports car 512 VB Ferrari in green.
Daily driver 911 SC Visock edition.
Family hauler Ford Pinto rally pack four-speed wagon.
Truck 4x4 Mercedes-Benz 280 GE Cabriolet wild card Porsche 935 K3 in the Apple livery.
I don't think there's a loser among all those things.
I also would be fine with any of your picks.
I actually would too.
I think everyone did fantastic.
Super fun.
Maybe not a Golden Spirit, but everywhere else.
That might be a bit out there.
But I'll tell you, if you got your Wall Street bonus in January, early February of 1980.
100%.
You could do some damage with it.
I want my outside pipes gold-plated instead of chrome-plated.
Honorable mentions.
You guys got some?
No, Kuntas.
Isn't that fascinating.
Yeah, that's not fun.
That's not exciting.
It's how I feel too.
I don't like them very much.
I do like the very early non-winged everything once.
Early this is possible.
Let's see.
No 928.
I thought about 928 in 924 turbos.
Yeah, 928 is tough because there's no 928S yet.
It's still a really long motor.
I like the simple one zone.
I think you get posh interior.
Or just like with the Kuntas.
It's the classic case of it's the best looks, but it's the worst motor.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's really fun when doing these things.
I like to go to classic or various sites and just go to 1980 and search by highest results and see.
Well, what's their highest in 80?
It's a lot.
I mean, it's mostly M1 pro cars and stuff that are sitting up at the top.
But you get some cool stuff that pops up like 308 GTB Group B car.
Yes.
I know that.
I should have saved that for, but I think daily driving one is better than having the race car.
924 GTP.
Yes.
Yes.
924s were an option there.
The Carrera GTs.
Yeah.
I think was it Carrera GTS?
Was that 81?
I think that's 81.
I think that's 81.
So you could only get the pure race cars in 80.
I think so.
Yeah, okay.
And then you got some really out there cool stuff just like Fiat 131 rally stuff.
Yes.
Just not in US.
Yeah.
No outies, right?
No one picked an outie?
No one picked an outie.
Yeah.
Were you saying the Quattro system hadn't really been developed yet?
I feel like that's kind of where outie shines later in the years.
I mean, they've got some pretty weird cool stuff happening.
Notably, we had a few like family hauler 4x4s like the Subaru and with the AMC and yet outie,
which is what we would all think of when we're thinking about sport coupe 4x4s and no one picked one.
I know.
Well, and for truck 4x4, no Toyotas, no Landy.
I know.
Oh, Randy wasn't here.
I know.
Well, I thought about a, you know, an SR5 would have been one of my options.
No K5 Blazers and no Scouts.
Randy has turned this off by now.
Oh, totally.
He totally has.
I was looking at the FJ45 Troopy.
I do like that good kind of FJ blue.
There was still a 55 hanging around in 80.
That's got to be just about the end of a 55.
A little ugly, beautiful with those cars.
I mean, 80 was right up at the end of 40s.
I think 83 was final year.
That's right.
I think you're right about that.
US production, at least.
Beck, you mentioned the 512 BB, but you can get a very nice 400.
400, 100s.
We all must have considered 400s, right?
Considered 400s.
As a family hauler, I think we could have gotten away with that.
Other than my M1, no BMWs.
So no E21s, no.
Yeah, we're pre-E30 though.
And E12 with the 5 series.
In Europe, you could get a 323 E21, which is kind of cool.
And you have better bumpers and stuff.
The prototypical M3 that we never really got, right?
It's got the 323i badge on the front grille, which was,
other than the 2002 Ti, was sort of the first to do that,
which then everyone wanted with their M3s and M5s.
And I'm sure there's an Alpina version of that.
I didn't look it up, but I'm not a huge E21 fan.
That's right.
I'm sure there is.
Yeah.
80 was a great year for transams.
You got the turbos, special edition.
Yes, that was on my long list.
Yeah, uh-huh, for sure.
Alphas?
I had an Alfa on my list.
GT-V?
Or a sedan?
Well, we had specifically, though, got everything as well.
The one with the V8 swapped?
Yes, the V8 swapped, Alfetta.
Which I'm like, man, how's the transaxle deal?
Was it a stock transaxle?
It was a Montreal V8.
Oh, the little baby one.
The little baby.
That's how it fits.
Oh, look at that.
That's perfect.
Man, not to criticize our colleagues.
They should have put that right in the headline.
A Montreal V8 is a 2.5-liter, all-aluminum,
double of red cam, mechanically injected motor.
It's a wild engine.
It's a fantastic combo.
Specifically, this is Lott 217081.
Car's been on the site twice.
I would change the livery on the hood,
but in that, I would change nothing else.
This car is awesome.
Oh, God.
I had never heard of that motor,
but you know how much I love the Italian spec Ferrari 208.
They, I love that.
That little Montreal motor sounds so incredible.
And the injected one has Spica,
and at the injection pump looks like another little V8.
It's so complicated to have mechanical injection for a V8.
You know, because the Rochester's on the Corvettes
is that big, huge hump in the middle.
Yeah, that's a cool.
I saw one in a 32 Roadster one time.
2.6 liter Montreal V8 sat way back by the cow.
It's little.
It's little in dimensions, but it is quad cam, so it's wide.
I know.
Pretty cool, right?
What else?
Corvettes are sad and 80, although I will tell you,
that was one of the first cars I loved as a boy was an NCAP Late C3,
because they are cool looking.
They just have no power or anything,
but I love the C3 styling and the end of it,
because they didn't do the impact bumper problem.
They just fared in the whole thing.
They've got those, you know, NCAPs on them.
I do like the way they look, but they're tough.
Same thing for Maserati's, although I like both the Kaya Lamy
and the Merak, which you could both get in 1980.
The Merak's great.
They've got tough bumpers, but they're both very pretty cars.
Again, good looking cars that need a bumper fix and a motor swap.
The other bike that I would have gone with for a daily driver
would have been a Harley FXB Sturgis.
Okay.
Was that one you were thinking of?
That was not, but that checks out.
Yeah, so this is just a super cool bike.
The first time Harley ever did dual belt drives
for the primary and final drives.
So it's nice and quiet, very smooth.
That's also the first factory Harley
that's just got this like total badass blacked out styling,
which of course kind of led the way to everything else
over the last 40 plus years, let's say.
Then we sold an 81, which is lovely, but we did not sell an 80.
It's the same exact bike though.
Yeah, bad CVX supersports out on my list.
I was looking at Z1Rs.
We got those in the US and 80, right?
I think so.
Yeah.
And then, yeah, you had a ton of awesome overseas offerings
from Ford too.
You had the Capris.
You had these RS200s.
RS2000s, yeah.
RS2000s, yeah.
What about Celica?
Celica's anyone?
Yeah.
Well, I was somebody like the 80 Celica?
80 Celica GT around.
Oh, look at that.
I do like Scorpion.
Scorpion, look at Carlos.
I mean, I have a huge soft spot for these ones.
I mean, that's what underpins an 037, isn't it?
Oh, I think it's so.
You can get that in 1980.
You could as a Rodney Carlo.
Oh, it's a Monte Carlo.
But it's, yeah.
I mean, mid-engine, Italian, small short wheelbase,
great looking car.
X19s, right?
So I don't know if you guys,
X19s can be polarizing, but.
I prefer the Bertonis.
So I prefer Bertonis for my X19s
and Pininfarinas for my Fiat.
Your Fiat Spiders.
So yeah, for my Fiat Spiders.
And neither of those were in 1980 spec.
Otherwise, I probably would have gone there.
There is a ZX in 80.
I think it's a 280 still.
I mean, surprisingly, there was a anniversary edition
to 80 ZX up there.
And the results of like 28 mile example,
that's like 100.
Is it the black and gold?
Black and red.
Yeah, black headed with the red.
There was a black and gold one I was seeing from 1980.
As long as it's not the two plus two, I'm on board.
That's where the Zs get tough.
These are what I was telling you about.
These were a Japan only homologation.
It's the 80 Celica GT2000 rally.
Oh, that's an 80?
Yeah.
Oh man, I kind of missed that one.
Look at that.
It's probably a twin cam, right?
It sure is.
Man, that's good looking.
If you're still with us out there, one, six, one, six, three.
This is by far the longest.
This might be the longest podcast we've ever done.
It is very humid in this room.
Okay, all right.
Let's wrap it up.
We did a good job.
It was a great team effort.
Wouldn't have thought two hours of prep would
got us this much time.
Thank you guys for doing this.
It's like when the best racing is when the practice gets
canceled ahead of time due to like weather or whatever.
Like they just have to go with it and know what they're doing.
It's fun.
It is fun.
It's always a pleasure to do this with you guys.
Thanks for being here.
And start to our model year again.
Totally.
Key on the left-hand side.
All right.
Thanks, boys.
And thanks to all of you for listening.
As always, you can send feedback to podcastatbringetrailer.com.
We'll catch you next time.
Thanks, y'all.
About this episode
A lively discussion centered on the 1980 model year, exploring its unexpected appeal despite being overshadowed by the 70s and 80s automotive challenges. The hosts delve into the unique charm of 1980 cars, highlighting emerging technologies like early sensors and the subtle hints of future trends. They also connect the year’s automotive scene to its cultural backdrop, including iconic movies like Empire Strikes Back and hit music from Blondie and Queen. The episode balances nostalgia with fresh insights, debating car choices and the strategic fun of their one-year garage game format.
air-cooled engine
all wheel drive
BBS wheels
Chevy Small Block
Formula One
four wheel drive
Husqvarna
intercooler
Lamborghini
Le Mans
Acura NSX
Aston Martin Lagonda
Audi Quattro
BMW 3 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW M1 (E26)
BMW M3
BMW M6
Cadillac DeVille
Chevrolet Blazer
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Monte Carlo
Dacia Duster
Dodge Charger
Dodge Ram
Dodge Spirit
Ferrari 308 GTB
Ferrari 512 BB
Fiat 126
Fiat X1/9
Ford Bronco
Ford Capri
Ford Mustang
Ford Pinto
GMC Safari
Hyundai Ioniq
Jaguar C-Type
Jaguar D-Type
Jaguar XKSS
Jeep CJ
Jeep Wrangler
Lancia Stratos
Mazda RX-7
Mercedes-Benz 420 SEL
Mercedes-Benz 600 (W100)
Mercedes-Benz S-Class
Mercury Cougar
Morgan 3 wheeler
Peugeot 308
Porsche 911
Porsche 924
Porsche 928
Porsche 935
Porsche Carrera GT
Rivian R3
Subaru Outback
Toyota Celica
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota Supra
Volkswagen Eurovan
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Jetta
Volkswagen Scirocco
Volkswagen Vanagon
Original notes
Apologies to our listeners using Apple Podcasts - an upload snafu caused you to get a repeat of last week's episode. Here's this week's One Year!
It's malaise time—or is it? This week, Alex, Cam, Tyler, and Beck choose their top five vehicles from the model year 1980 in an impromptu, nearly unprepped episode. Spoiler alert: you've heard Tyler talk about bikes, but it's a widely known "secret" around the halls of BaT that his taste in cars is...well, weird. The crew talk about their surprisingly fun research, skin-deep beauty, and the wide variety of cultural ways in which 1980 was a transitional period
They also narrowly avoid a prolonged version of the usual "what is a supercar" debate; slightly cheat with Euro cars; spend a surprising amount of time on the Dodge Ramcharger and Plymouth Trail Duster; stump Alex (again) but allow him out of perpetual loserhood; talk about the various trips one might take in a Vanagon; discovered all sorts of eagles glee; recount a worse "learning to drive stick" story than most of you have, thankfully; and take an unexpected but welcome diversion into the land (sea?) of Boston Whaler center consoles.
Mentioned in this episode:
8:42 Ex-Steve McQueen 1952 Chevrolet 3800 Pickup with Camper and Husqvarna CR250
9:45 Ex-Steve McQueen bikes on BaT
17:42 1980 BMW M1
21:33 1980 Honda CBX Super Sport and 29-Years-Owned 1980 Honda CBX Super Sport
23:36 Euro 1980 Porsche 930 Turbo
26:34 1980 Ferrari 512 BB
28:34 1980 Ferrari 308 GTBi
30:04 1980 Plymouth Trail Duster
31:56 1978 Dodge Ramcharger Top Hand 4×4
32:31 Dodge Ramcharger / Plymouth Trail Duster model page
34:04 Ex-CHP 1982 Dodge Ramcharger 4×4
35:07 One-Family-Owned 1980 Volkswagen Scirocco S 5-Speed
38:50 Single-Family-Owned 1980 Porsche 911SC Coupe Weissach
43:05 Euro 1980 Mercedes-Benz 450SEL 6.9
45:00 1980 Cadillac Seville
52:31 1979 Ford Pinto Wagon 4-Speed
52:47 Time Machine: A Success Story in Motion from BaT and Pennzoil
53:38 1980 Ford Pinto Rallye Pack Wagon 4-Speed
56:01 1980 AMC Eagle 2-Door Sedan
58:03 1979 Jeep CJ-7 Golden Eagle 4-Speed
1:01:12 1980 GL 4WD - US Ski Team Wagon
1:04:07 1980 Mercedes-Benz 280GE Cabriolet 4-Speed
1:06:44 8k-Mile 1980 Ford Mustang McLaren M-81
1:10:03 1984 Zimmer Golden Spirit Classic
1:12:23 Single-Family-Owned 1986 Boston Whaler Montauk 17′ Project
1:14:28 Porsche 935 K3
1:21:20 V8-Powered 1980 Alfa Romeo Alfetta GTV 5-Speed
1:24:38 1980 Toyota Celica RA45 GT2000 Rally
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