"Follow the Money!" Profits Are Down 16%. The Buy-Sell Market Is Ripping. Here's Why & What Top Operators Know | Alan Haig, President at Haig Partners
About this episode
Dealership blue sky values are sliding—“Average dealership blue sky values are down to their lowest values since 2021”—but the auto retail market isn’t uniformly collapsing. Profits are down “16 percent,” yet buy-sell activity is surging: “The number of dealerships that sold in the first quarter of 2026 was up 39%.” Operators point to aging inventory signals, external margin shocks (gas and aluminum), and confidence in a better future. The conversation also covers valuation mechanics, brand strength, and how fraud and tech only matter if they show up in P&L.
blue sky value
"Average dealership blue sky values are down to their lowest values since 2021. Of course, blue sky value is the goodwill component of a dealership."
Blue sky value is the "goodwill" part of a dealership’s price. It’s what you’re paying for the business’s reputation and customer pull, not just the building or cars.
In dealership finance, "blue sky value" is the intangible goodwill portion of what a dealership is worth when buying or selling it. It reflects factors like the store’s reputation, customer relationships, and earning power beyond the physical assets.
goodwill component
"Of course, blue sky value is the goodwill component of a dealership. So that must mean that the auto retail market is in turmoil."
Goodwill is the intangible value of a business. For a dealership, it’s things like reputation and customer relationships that make it worth more than just its physical stuff.
The "goodwill component" is the accounting/valuation piece tied to intangible benefits—like brand reputation, customer loyalty, and established operations. In dealership buy-sell deals, it’s often the part that moves most with market sentiment.
gross profits per unit
"Well, the first quarter was pretty negative and almost every metric that dealers care about, [53.5s] you know, sales were down, gross profits per unit were down, the used business is still"
Gross profit per unit means how much money the dealer makes on each car sold. If it’s going down, the dealer is earning less from every vehicle.
"Gross profits per unit" is how much profit dealers make for each vehicle sold, before subtracting many overhead costs. It’s a key metric because it shows whether pricing and sales mix are helping or hurting profitability.
fixed operations
"So margins there are challenging fixed operations, which has been a very consistent source of [73.9s] increased profits for dealers increased just 3% last quarter."
Fixed operations is the dealership’s more steady money-maker—typically service and parts. It helps keep the business profitable even when car sales slow down.
In dealership accounting, "fixed operations" usually refers to the service and parts side (and related departments) that generate steadier revenue than vehicle sales. Because those costs are more predictable, it’s often a major stabilizer for dealer earnings.
day supply
"Day supply is going up, which is maybe a bit of a challenge right now because if our sales [87.5s] are going down or day supply are going up, that means aging inventory."
Day supply tells you how long the dealer’s current inventory would last if sales keep going at the same rate. If it goes up, it usually means cars are sitting longer.
"Day supply" is an inventory metric that estimates how many days of sales the current inventory would last at the current selling pace. Rising day supply generally signals slower sales and/or too much inventory on hand.
aging inventory
"Day supply is going up, which is maybe a bit of a challenge right now because if our sales [87.5s] are going down or day supply are going up, that means aging inventory."
Aging inventory is just cars that have been on the lot too long. The longer they sit, the harder and more expensive it can be to sell them.
"Aging inventory" means vehicles that have been sitting unsold for longer than normal. As inventory ages, dealers often face higher carrying costs and may need incentives or price cuts to move units.
M&A
"But M&A is still rocking because dealers have confidence that the future is going to be good."
M&A means mergers and acquisitions—when one business buys another or combines with it. The speaker is saying dealership deals are still happening because buyers believe the future will be good.
M&A (mergers and acquisitions) refers to companies buying, selling, or combining businesses. Here, it’s used to explain why dealership ownership changes are still active even when profits and operating metrics are under pressure.
secular decline
"...are your buyers or sellers, are they viewing this decline in operating metrics as a secular decline?"
A secular decline means a long-lasting slowdown, not a temporary problem. The speaker is asking whether the market’s weakness is likely to keep going.
A secular decline is a long-term, structural downturn rather than a short-term dip. In this segment, it’s used to frame whether weaker dealership performance will persist for years or just reflect near-term conditions.
operating metrics
"When you're looking at your current deals in market and you're valuing different businesses here, are your buyers or sellers, are they viewing this decline in operating metrics as a secular decline?"
Operating metrics are the key numbers businesses watch to see if they’re doing better or worse. The speaker is asking whether the current drop is just temporary or part of a longer trend.
Operating metrics are the measurable numbers a business tracks to judge how it’s performing day-to-day (e.g., profit margins, sales volumes, inventory turns). The speaker is asking whether a decline in these metrics is a temporary trend or a longer-term “secular” shift.
auto retail
"There's so much in our world right now that's impacting auto retail that's external to our business."
Auto retail is the part of the car business that sells cars to regular customers, usually through dealerships. The speaker says outside events can strongly affect how well dealerships do.
Auto retail refers to the consumer-facing side of the auto business—selling vehicles through dealerships and related financing/after-sales channels. The speaker ties external events to how auto retail performance changes.
Strait of Hormuz
"It's gas prices because of the closing of the Strait of Hormuz."
The Strait of Hormuz is a major shipping route for oil. If it’s disrupted, gas prices can rise, which can make it harder for car dealers to sell and profit.
The Strait of Hormuz is a critical chokepoint for global oil shipping between the Persian Gulf and the Gulf of Oman. The segment links its “closing” to higher gas prices, which then affects consumer demand and dealership profitability.
aluminum
"It's a lack of aluminum to make F-150s because there was a fire at the plant."
Aluminum is a metal used to build parts for cars. If there isn’t enough of it, factories can’t make as many vehicles, which can leave dealers short on inventory.
Aluminum is a key material used in modern vehicle manufacturing, including many components in trucks and SUVs. The speaker says a supply disruption (a fire at a plant) can reduce production of vehicles like the Ford F-150, which then impacts dealership inventory and sales.
Ford F150S
"It's a lack of aluminum to make F-150s because there was a fire at the plant."
The Ford F-150 is a popular pickup truck. The speaker is saying that if aluminum supplies are disrupted, fewer F-150s get built, which affects what dealers can sell.
The Ford F-150 is a best-selling full-size pickup, and the segment highlights how aluminum shortages can limit production of these trucks. When supply tightens, dealers can struggle with inventory availability and sales timing.
Lexus
"You have these brands that are performing at very widely different levels now where you have Toyota and Lexus that are just continuing to go on this strong role they've been on."
Lexus is Toyota’s luxury car brand. The speaker groups it with Toyota as doing well right now.
Lexus is Toyota’s luxury brand, mentioned alongside Toyota as continuing strong performance. The point is that the speaker sees brand-level differences affecting dealership outcomes.
Stellanus
"You have other brands like Stellanus, which is now going to be coming back in our opinion, and Nissan that's showing some correction."
This sounds like the automaker Stellantis. The host is saying some brands are doing better than others right now, and Stellantis is expected to improve.
Stellanus appears to be a reference to Stellantis, the automaker formed from the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group. In the segment, it’s used to describe how different automaker brands are performing differently in the current market.
dealerships sold
"We see a wide variation in buyer performance or buyer attitude based upon the franchises. Just an overall market, I gave you some of the stats. The number of dealerships sold were up 39%."
This means how many car dealerships changed hands through sales. The speaker is using the 39% increase to show the market is still active.
“Dealerships sold” refers to the number of dealership transactions occurring in the market. The speaker uses the statistic (up 39%) to argue that dealership M&A activity remains strong despite profit pressure.
multiple compression
"Are you seeing any multiple compression though? Meaning we know profits are coming down that's going to drive the value of the goodwill when I sell my asset..."
It means the market is valuing dealerships less than it used to. Even if the business is similar, lower profits usually lead buyers to pay a smaller “multiplier” on earnings.
In dealership/asset valuation, "multiple compression" means the market is paying a lower valuation multiple for the same underlying earnings. If profits fall, investors typically apply a smaller multiple, which reduces the price of goodwill and dealership franchise value.
trading at a multiple of three to four times earnings
"We took Volkswagen down from trading at a multiple of three to four times earnings to just a dollar value because I think their earnings have fallen so low..."
This is a way of saying how much buyers are paying compared to the dealership’s earnings. If earnings drop, buyers often pay less relative to those earnings.
A "multiple of three to four times earnings" is a valuation shorthand: the buyer pays roughly 3–4x the dealership’s earnings (often discussed as an earnings-based valuation metric). When earnings fall, that multiple can shrink or the market may switch to a much lower valuation basis.
de minimis amount
"unfortunately, that if somebody is buying a Volkswagen store, they're not paying three to four times their earnings because that would be a de minimis amount."
“De minimis” means “so small it doesn’t really matter.” The host is saying that if earnings are extremely low, a normal earnings-based price wouldn’t make sense.
"De minimis" means so small it’s effectively negligible. Here, the host argues that paying 3–4x earnings would be meaningless because earnings at Volkswagen stores have fallen to extremely low levels.
Infinity
"That's the same way that we have some franchises like Infinity and Lincoln valued."
Infinity is being used as an example of a dealership brand that isn’t earning enough to support a strong valuation. If profits are tiny or negative, buyers don’t value the store the same way.
Infinity (Nissan’s luxury brand) is mentioned as an example of a franchise valued on a weak basis. The host says these franchises are “weakest,” with valuation not driven by earnings because earnings may be minimal or negative.
Lincoln
"That's the same way that we have some franchises like Infinity and Lincoln valued."
Lincoln is mentioned as a dealership brand whose stores aren’t valued strongly because profits aren’t there. When earnings are missing or losses exist, valuation tends to fall.
Lincoln is referenced as another franchise example where valuation is weak because earnings are absent or negative. The host contrasts this with other brands that retained more desirability and saw less change quarter-to-quarter.
Mercedes
"The Rockstars are still at the top. Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, is still performing even though they've got some real product issues..."
Mercedes is a luxury car brand from Germany. The host is using it as an example of a brand that’s still doing well.
Mercedes-Benz is a German luxury automaker known for performance-oriented models and advanced engineering. Here, it’s mentioned as part of the group of brands still performing even with product issues.
BMW
"The Rockstars are still at the top. Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, is still performing even though they've got some real product issues..."
BMW is a well-known German car brand. The host is saying BMW is still performing better than weaker brands.
BMW is a German automaker famous for driving dynamics and a wide range of luxury and performance vehicles. In this segment, BMW is included among the brands that remain strong in sales despite broader product timing problems.
Porsche
"The Rockstars are still at the top. Lexus, Toyota, Mercedes, BMW, Porsche, is still performing even though they've got some real product issues..."
Porsche makes high-performance sports cars. The host is saying Porsche is still doing well compared to weaker brands.
Porsche is a German sports-car brand known for performance-focused engineering and strong enthusiast demand. The host uses Porsche as an example of a “rockstar” brand that’s still performing even with some product issues.
Porsche 911
"So they've got a lull in products, but they've also had more 911s for sale than ever. So many dealers are doing just fine."
The Porsche 911 is Porsche’s famous sports car. The host is pointing out that there are more of them sitting for sale right now, even though the brand is still popular.
The Porsche 911 is the brand’s iconic rear-engine sports car, and it’s often a benchmark for desirability in the used market. The host says there are “more 911s for sale than ever,” which implies inventory is rising even while overall demand for top franchises remains strong.
Buick GMC
"In fact, we upgraded Buick GMC in this last quarter a little bit to make it comparable with Chevrolet for as long as I've been in the business, GMC has been sort of a secondary brand of Chevrolet."
Buick and GMC are car brands under General Motors. The host is saying GMC’s trucks are different enough that GMC dealers can make more money on them than Chevrolet dealers can.
Buick and GMC are General Motors brands, with GMC especially known for trucks and commercial-oriented vehicles. The host says they “upgraded Buick GMC” and explains that GMC truck differentiation lets GMC dealers earn higher margins than Chevrolet dealers on trucks.
margins
"that the margins that GMC dealers are getting on their trucks are higher than what Chevrolet dealers are getting on their trucks. So we've seen that brand become a little bit elevated."
“Margins” here means how much profit the dealer makes on each sale. The host is saying GMC dealers make more profit on trucks than Chevrolet dealers do.
In dealership talk, “margins” means the profit dealers keep from selling vehicles and related products, often expressed as a percentage of revenue. The host contrasts GMC truck margins versus Chevrolet truck margins, arguing that GMC’s differentiation improves dealer profitability.
Infiniti
"But when you talk about these weak brands, you mentioned VW, Infiniti, are there, is there any of these weak brands where you say..."
Infiniti is Nissan’s luxury car brand. The host is grouping it with brands that aren’t doing as well right now.
Infiniti is Nissan’s luxury brand, positioned against other premium automakers. The host lists Infiniti among “weak brands,” implying it’s underperforming relative to stronger franchises.
high horsepower internal combustion engines
"There are a lot of good new products coming out for Stellanus brands that are focused on high horsepower internal combustion engines."
This phrase means engines that make a lot of power by burning fuel inside the engine. The speaker is saying some buyers don’t care as much about saving gas—they want strong acceleration and excitement.
“High horsepower internal combustion engines” refers to gas/diesel engines that produce a lot of power (horsepower) using combustion inside the engine cylinders. In this context, the speaker contrasts that with buyers who care more about fuel economy.
fuel economy
"So they're going to go back to where they were four or five years ago in terms of focusing on that type of customer who doesn't give a lot of, they don't care much about fuel economy."
Fuel economy is how far a car can go on a tank of gas. Here, the host is saying some buyers care more about power than about getting great gas mileage.
Fuel economy is how efficiently a vehicle uses fuel, usually expressed as miles per gallon (mpg) or liters per 100 km. The speaker is contrasting customers who don’t prioritize fuel economy with those who want a big, powerful engine experience.
vehicle quality
"And they also talked about a focus on higher quality, vehicle quality. And that's been a focus for Stellanus for decades."
Vehicle quality is about how well the car is made and how dependable it feels in real life. The host is saying improving quality can help a brand sell more cars again.
Vehicle quality refers to how well a vehicle is built and how consistently it performs—often including fit/finish and how reliably it operates over time. The speaker treats it as a strategic focus that can help a brand win back customers.
Nissan
"Nissan is also working hard to convince its dealers and consumers that it's returning back towards where it was. Their market share did go up."
The host is talking about Nissan and how it’s trying to sell more cars again. They mention Nissan is offering more hybrids and that its share of retail sales has been improving.
Nissan is discussed as a brand working to improve dealer and consumer confidence by returning toward earlier market positioning. The speaker specifically mentions increased retail market share and a push toward more hybrid products.
retail market share
"Their market share did go up. The retail market share did go up recently."
Market share means how much of the car-buying market a brand gets. Retail market share specifically refers to sales to regular customers, not business fleets.
Retail market share is the portion of total sales in the consumer (retail) market that a brand captures, as opposed to fleet or other channels. The speaker uses it to argue Nissan’s position has improved recently.
hybrids
"They are bringing to market products that are in demand, more hybrids, et cetera."
A hybrid car uses both a gas engine and an electric motor. The host is saying Nissan is selling more hybrid models because people want them.
Hybrids are vehicles that combine an internal combustion engine with an electric motor and battery to improve efficiency and reduce fuel use. In this segment, hybrids are presented as products “in demand” that help Nissan regain momentum.
dealer profitability
"The management team is focused on dealer profitability, which is what we care about for our clients."
Dealer profitability means whether car stores are making money. The host is saying the management team is focused on making sure dealers do well, not just selling cars on paper.
Dealer profitability is the financial health of car dealerships—how much profit they make from selling and servicing vehicles. The speaker ties it to management focus, implying that better brand strategy should translate into healthier dealership economics.
Toyota
"They never really brought the products to take the market share that they should have to compete with Toyota."
Toyota is a huge car company that sells a lot of cars worldwide. Here, it’s mentioned as the company that others wish they could compete with better in the US.
Toyota is a major global automaker known for high-volume, mass-market vehicles and strong dealer networks. In this segment, it’s used as the benchmark brand that other manufacturers are struggling to compete with in the US.
directly to the consumer
"We're just going to invest in Scout... and sell it directly to the consumer and not involve our dealer body..."
This means the car company sells cars straight to you, instead of going through local car dealers. The dealer may make less money or have less control when that happens.
“Directly to the consumer” describes a sales model where the automaker sells vehicles straight to buyers, typically reducing or eliminating the traditional dealer’s role. The segment contrasts this with the dealer network that’s been “suffering,” implying dealers lose influence and revenue when brands shift to direct sales.
dealer body
"They never really brought the products... and now we see them almost giving up... and saying... we're just going to invest in Scout... and sell it directly to the consumer and not involve our dealer body..."
“Dealer body” just means the group of car dealerships for a brand. The speaker is saying the automaker wants to work around those dealers if it sells directly.
“Dealer body” refers to the collective network of franchised dealerships for a brand. In the segment, it’s described as something the automaker wants to avoid involving if it shifts to direct-to-consumer sales.
Scout
"We're just going to invest in Scout, come up with a new product and sell it directly to the consumer and not involve our dealer body..."
Scout is being talked about as a car brand that would sell new vehicles straight to customers. The big idea is doing it without leaning on the traditional dealer system.
Scout is referenced as a brand plan to create new products and sell them directly to consumers. The key point here is the strategy shift away from relying on the existing dealer network.
Rivian
"And when we're not doing that, we're going to invest in Rivian, which is another direct consumer model..."
Rivian is a car company that sells directly to customers. Here it’s mentioned as another example of the direct sales model that relies less on traditional dealers.
Rivian is an automaker known for selling vehicles directly to consumers rather than through a traditional dealer model. In this segment, it’s used as an example of a direct-to-consumer approach that a legacy automaker might fund.
NADA dealer meeting
"So there was a terrible dealer meeting at Las Vegas early this year at NADA."
NADA is an industry event where car dealers meet and talk with automakers/suppliers. The host is saying dealers left feeling like they didn’t get real answers.
NADA is referenced as the setting for a dealer meeting where dealers reportedly felt there were no clear answers. This is a structural part of the episode’s argument about dealer frustration and lack of accountability.
Las Vegas
"So there was a terrible dealer meeting at Las Vegas early this year at NADA."
Las Vegas is where the dealer meeting happened. The point is that dealers were upset after that meeting.
Las Vegas is the location where the speaker says the NADA dealer meeting took place. It’s included because the segment ties dealer sentiment to a specific event and time.
Volkswagen
"So Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, they're all part of the same family and they're all experiencing some struggles right now."
Volkswagen is a big car brand. In this discussion, the speaker is talking about how Volkswagen dealers are dealing with problems and frustration.
Volkswagen is a major automaker mentioned here as part of a group experiencing dealer struggles. The segment focuses on how Volkswagen dealers feel constrained by management decisions and supplier relationships.
Audi
"So Volkswagen, Audi, Porsche, they're all part of the same family and they're all experiencing some struggles right now."
Audi is another car brand mentioned alongside Volkswagen and Porsche. The point is that more than one brand’s dealers are struggling.
Audi is referenced as another brand in the same corporate family as Volkswagen and Porsche. The segment uses it to illustrate that multiple brands are dealing with similar dealer-network pressures.
service units in operation
"They just reduce costs at their Volkswagen stores and they try to sell more used cars and do a great job of service and service units in operation."
This means the dealership’s repair/service shops that are actively working. The speaker is saying dealers can make money by doing more repairs and selling used cars.
“Service units in operation” refers to the number of service departments/shops a dealership has running and actively servicing customers. The segment suggests dealers can offset weaker new-car margins by doing more service work and selling more used cars.
residual value
"Dealers are powerless to come up with a better residual value for releasing."
Residual value is what the car is expected to be worth later (like at the end of a lease). If that number is better, leases can cost less and deals can look more attractive.
Residual value is the estimated future value of a vehicle at the end of a lease or financing term. Dealers in the segment are described as being “powerless” to improve residual values, which matters because higher residuals can lower lease payments and improve deal economics.
return on investment
"there's a battle for talent and capital auto retail and that capital and talent is going to flow to where it can get the best return on investment. And right now, it's not in Volkswagen."
ROI is a way to measure whether an investment is worth it. It compares what you put in (time or money) to what you get back (profit).
Return on investment (ROI) is a financial metric that measures how much profit you get relative to what you spend. In dealership operations, it’s used to judge whether marketing, staffing, or technology investments are actually paying off.
Experian Automotive
"This episode is brought to you by Experian Automotive. Think fraud only happens once in a while. Think again, dealers say fraud is rising with fake income documents, synthetic identities and trade in scams costing stores thousands per deal."
Experian Automotive makes software that helps car dealers check whether buyers and documents look real. The goal is to stop fraud while still making it easy for normal customers to buy cars.
Experian Automotive is a provider of identity and fraud-prevention tools used in auto retail. The segment frames it as helping dealers verify identities and documents so they can reduce fraud losses without slowing legitimate buyers.
synthetic identities
"dealers say fraud is rising with fake income documents, synthetic identities and trade in scams costing stores thousands per deal."
Synthetic identity fraud is when someone creates a fake “person” using a mix of real and made-up details. Car dealers can get tricked into approving deals that shouldn’t be approved.
Synthetic identities are fraud schemes where criminals combine real and fake information to create an identity that can pass basic checks. In auto retail, they’re used to obtain financing or complete transactions under false pretenses.
trade in scams
"synthetic identities and trade in scams costing stores thousands per deal. That's why more dealers are turning to Experian Automotive."
A trade-in scam is when someone tries to cheat the car deal using the trade-in vehicle. Since the trade-in price matters a lot, the dealer can lose money if it’s fraudulent.
Trade-in scams are fraudulent attempts to manipulate the value, ownership, or condition of a customer’s trade vehicle to benefit the deal. Because trade-ins affect pricing and payoff calculations, they can directly create losses for dealerships.
identity, income, trade and ownership verification
"With faster, smarter identity, income, trade and ownership verification tools, you can help catch fraud without slowing down legitimate buyers."
Identity, income, trade, and ownership verification are automated checks used during the deal process to confirm who the buyer is, whether income claims are credible, and whether the trade vehicle is legitimately owned and properly documented. In dealership workflows, these checks reduce fraud risk and can prevent deal reversals or losses.
AI infiltration
"I am curious if you're seeing in this like crazy time of AI infiltration and tech any evolution in the diligence of a dealership."
They mean how AI is starting to show up in more and more business tasks. Here, it’s about whether dealerships are using AI to make better decisions and sell more cars.
“AI infiltration” is a way of describing how AI tools are being adopted across industries and business processes. In this context, it refers to whether dealerships are changing how they use data and technology to improve sales outcomes.
activate their internal systems
"cleanliness of it. Can they come in and activate their internal systems and make the dealership more profitable in a much quicker way?"
“Activate their internal systems” means turning existing dealership data and software into practical actions—like targeted marketing, improved workflows, or better customer outreach. The implication is that data alone isn’t valuable unless it’s operationalized inside the dealership.
P&L
"at the end of the day, it's going to reflect in the P&L. All this fancy stuff, is it going to reflect in the P&L or not?"
P&L means profit and loss—basically whether the business made money. The speaker is saying all the tech should lead to better results, not just sound impressive.
P&L (profit and loss) is the accounting statement that shows whether a business made money over a period. The host’s point is that “fancy stuff” like AI and data initiatives should ultimately show up as improved profitability.
S&P 500
"There was one person who said that they had seen the operating margins of the S&P 500 go from 9.8 to 9.9..."
The S&P 500 is a list of 500 big U.S. companies used to represent how the overall stock market is doing. If something changes in the S&P 500, it can be a sign of broader economic or business trends.
The S&P 500 is a stock-market index that tracks 500 large U.S. companies. When the speaker cites operating margin changes in the S&P 500, they’re using it as a broad proxy for how profitable the overall U.S. corporate economy is.
sales per salesman
"but haven't been able to increase the sales per salesman above 10 in 20 years,"
This is a simple productivity measure: how much business each salesperson brings in. If it doesn’t rise, then even with more tools or tech, dealers may not see much improvement in profits.
Sales per salesman is a productivity metric that measures how much revenue (or sales volume) each salesperson generates. The speaker claims that despite dealer spending on technology, sales per salesman hasn’t improved much over a long period, which limits profit growth.
pipeline
"Tell me about, let's keep talking about the market, but tell us about your pipeline. ... What does your pipeline look like right now?"
A “pipeline” here means the set of dealership deals they’re working on right now. Some are just starting, and others are close to signing or closing.
In dealership M&A, a “pipeline” is the active list of deals at different stages—leads, evaluations, offers, legal work, and approvals. The host describes how they track activity over time to predict future deal volume.
legal documents
"If we get a good offer, we sign it. It takes about a month to do the legal documents, and then it's 90 days or more sometimes to get the OE approval."
In this context, “legal documents” refers to the formal paperwork required to structure and finalize a dealership asset transaction. The host breaks out the timeline: offer materials, going to market, signing, then about a month for legal documentation.
OE approval
"It takes about a month to do the legal documents, and then it's 90 days or more sometimes to get the OE approval."
OE approval is the automaker’s sign-off on a dealership ownership change. Even after paperwork is started, it can take a while—sometimes months—before the automaker approves it.
OE approval means approval from the original equipment manufacturer (the automaker) for a dealer ownership/representation change. In dealership buy-sell deals, this can take time—often 90 days or more—before the transaction can fully proceed.
Honda
"We have a closing coming up this month. It's two Toyota stores and two Honda stores."
Honda is a car company. Here, “Honda stores” means Honda dealerships that may be part of a sale.
Honda is a major automaker with a widespread U.S. dealer network. The discussion frames “Honda stores” as dealership assets involved in buy-sell transactions and approvals.
divestitures
"There's divestitures too. If you have a group of stores and you have a couple of franchises that are losing you money, there's the low end stuff that's going to sell for whatever the market will buy it for."
Divestitures mean selling parts of the business. Here, it likely means selling dealerships that aren’t making money so the operator can put that money into better locations.
Divestitures are when a company sells off assets or business units to raise cash and focus on what’s working. In this dealership context, it means operators may sell losing franchises or stores to free up capital for reinvestment elsewhere.
franchises
"If you have a group of stores and you have a couple of franchises that are losing you money, there's the low end stuff that's going to sell for whatever the market will buy it for. There's certain franchises people have given up or they have"
A franchise here means a dealership’s permission to sell a specific brand’s cars and do service for that brand. Some franchises can be profitable, and others can lose money.
In car retail, a franchise is the dealer’s authorized right to sell and service a specific automaker’s vehicles in a territory under that brand’s rules. The speaker uses “franchises” to describe which brand-dealer relationships are profitable versus being exited.
core market
"they're going to divest them, take that capital and try and reinvest in their core markets. In terms of the pipeline, it's really all brands, all franchises."
A core market is the main area where a dealership group is focused and usually does best. The idea is they’re selling off less-ideal locations and putting money back into the areas they know.
A core market is the geographic area where a dealer group is strongest or most strategically focused. The speaker says operators may sell stores outside that core area (often bought during COVID) and redeploy capital back into their core markets.
divest them
"they're going to divest them, take that capital and try and reinvest in their core markets. In terms of the pipeline, it's really all brands, all franchises."
“Divest them” just means sell them off. In this case, it’s selling dealerships that aren’t doing well so the money can go back into stronger ones.
“Divest them” is the action of divesting—selling off underperforming dealerships or franchises to generate cash. Here it’s tied to the dealership buy-sell market: operators sell weaker stores, then reinvest in better-performing areas.
Ford Got Ford
"...l brands, all franchises. We've got Nissan, we've got Ford, we've got Hyundai. So nothing stands out to you ..."
Hyundai
"We've got Nissan, we've got Ford, we've got Hyundai. So nothing stands out to you disproportionately. You're seeing a balanced mix across the board. Yeah, yeah. I would say everything is going pretty well. Hyundai's gotten a little bit tougher."
Hyundai makes cars, and the speaker says the cars themselves are good. But they’re saying the dealership business around Hyundai is getting harder right now.
Hyundai is a mainstream automaker whose products are described as strong, but the dealer environment is said to be getting tougher. The speaker attributes some of that difficulty to dealer-operator perceptions about management, even while praising the vehicles.
facility requirements
"where they won't have the volume in smaller stores that have facility requirements. They're going to be challenged to pay for those requirements, but you have a challenge with Porsche today."
Facility requirements are the minimum building and service setup a dealership must have for a brand. If sales volume is too low, those fixed costs can make the dealership hard to keep profitable.
Facility requirements are brand-imposed standards for dealership buildings and amenities (showroom, service bays, equipment, and layout). The speaker’s point is that Porsche stores with smaller volumes may struggle to afford these fixed costs.
take market share
"they know it's going to be hard work to take market share from brands like BMW and Lexus that have excellent products and great customer loyalty, but they've got between"
“Take market share” means sell more cars than competitors in the same segment. It’s hard because rival brands already have loyal customers.
“Take market share” means grow sales enough to increase a brand’s percentage of total sales in its category. The speaker frames it as a difficult goal because competitors like BMW and Lexus already have strong loyalty and product strength.
leasing support
"but they've got between products that they're bringing in, leasing support, marketing support. They really believe"
Leasing support means the car brand helps dealers promote and structure lease deals. That can make it easier for customers to say yes to a lease, which helps sales volume.
Leasing support refers to brand-provided help for lease offers—often including incentives, financing terms, or marketing resources that make leases more attractive. In dealership economics, it can directly affect how many customers choose leasing versus buying.
marketing support
"but they've got between products that they're bringing in, leasing support, marketing support. They really believe"
Marketing support is help from the car brand to promote the cars—like advertising money or campaigns. It can make it easier for dealers to attract customers.
Marketing support is assistance from the automaker to help dealers advertise—such as co-op advertising funds, campaigns, and promotional materials. The speaker lists it alongside leasing support as part of why a brand thinks it can improve dealer performance.
Mercedes GLE
"Well, they'll tell you about their product plan. They've got a new GLE that's coming out this year and a GLS."
The Mercedes GLE is a popular luxury SUV. The host is saying it’s one of the models Mercedes expects to sell a lot of, so it helps drive the company’s sales.
The Mercedes-Benz GLE is a midsize luxury SUV in the Mercedes lineup. In this segment, it’s mentioned as a major “volume driver,” meaning it’s expected to sell in high numbers and help support the brand’s overall sales targets.
Mercedes GLS
"and a GLS. Those are two of their big volume drivers."
The Mercedes GLS is a bigger, more upscale SUV than the GLE. The host is listing it as another model Mercedes expects to sell in large numbers.
The Mercedes-Benz GLS is a full-size luxury SUV positioned above the GLE in size and typically in price. Here it’s grouped with the GLE as one of Mercedes’ key high-volume models that supports the brand’s product plan.
Mercedes GLC
"They have a GLC coming out next year, but they also have some challenges in their product pipeline"
The Mercedes GLC is a smaller luxury SUV in the Mercedes lineup. The host is saying it’s planned for the next model year as part of Mercedes’ upcoming releases.
The Mercedes-Benz GLC is a compact luxury SUV that sits below the GLE and GLS in the Mercedes SUV lineup. The host mentions it as coming next year, framing it as part of Mercedes’ future product pipeline.
800 horsepower
"but it looks like a two-door coupe and it has something like 800 horsepower in it. The thing is crazy fast."
Horsepower is a number that tells you how strong the car’s power is. Higher horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder.
“Horsepower” is a measure of engine (or motor) power—how much work the powertrain can do over time. When the host says “800 horsepower” in the context of an EV, they’re using a familiar power metric to communicate how strong the electric motor output is.
fabricated the noise
"So they fabricated the noise and the gear shift to make it feel like an internal combustion car. Give the buyers what they want."
Because EVs don’t naturally make engine sounds, some cars add fake engine noise. It’s meant to make the driving feel more familiar to people used to gas cars.
This refers to artificial sound generation in an EV—creating engine-like noise through speakers or sound systems. The goal is to give drivers the auditory feedback they associate with internal-combustion cars, even though the vehicle is electric.
gear shift
"So they fabricated the noise and the gear shift to make it feel like an internal combustion car."
Electric cars often don’t shift gears like gas cars do. Some EVs add a simulated shift feel so it feels more like what drivers expect.
In an EV, the “gear shift” feel can be simulated because many electric drivetrains don’t use traditional multi-gear transmissions the same way as gas cars. The host is describing tuning the shift behavior/feedback so it feels like an internal-combustion vehicle.
Porsche Taycan
"...t. It's kind of funny. Like when I heard that the Taycan was coming out and they're going to call, which i..."
The Porsche Taycan is an electric car made by Porsche. It uses batteries and an electric motor instead of a gas engine, and it’s designed to drive fast and feel sporty. It’s mentioned a lot because it was one of Porsche’s early big EV releases.
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s all-electric performance sedan, built to deliver quick acceleration and strong everyday usability without a gasoline engine. It’s often discussed because it marked a major shift for Porsche into the EV market and helped set expectations for what an electric “sports” car could feel like. In dealership and product-planning conversations, it also comes up as a high-profile, tech-heavy model that influences how shoppers think about EVs.
turbochargers
"turbochargers taking exhaust gases from an internal combustion compressing and putting back on the engine."
A turbocharger is a device on gas engines that helps the engine make more power by forcing extra air in. The host is saying the word “turbo” doesn’t literally apply to an EV, but it’s still used because it sells.
Turbochargers are forced-induction devices used on internal-combustion engines that compress incoming air using exhaust gas energy. The host contrasts that real meaning with how “Turbo” is used as a marketing label for an EV variant name.
D to C players
"just data point I've seen when it comes to like exogenous threats since then would be the potential for the rise of D to C players competing with traditional dealerships"
“Direct-to-consumer” means selling cars straight to customers without the usual dealer middleman. The host is saying this could hurt traditional dealerships financially.
“D to C” means direct-to-consumer—companies that sell cars straight to buyers rather than through the traditional dealer network. In this context, the host argues these players could pressure traditional dealerships’ economics and valuations.
Carvana
"but Carvana received an option to invest or to buy shares in Slate, which is, of course, a new OEM or attempting to be one"
Carvana is a company that sells cars directly to customers, often online, instead of relying on traditional dealerships. The host brings it up as an example of how these newer models are getting involved in the auto business.
Carvana is a direct-to-consumer used-car retailer that competes with traditional dealerships. The host mentions Carvana receiving an option to invest or buy shares in another company, using it as an example of how new OEM-like entrants and DTC models can reshape dealership economics.
Slate
"Carvana received an option to invest or to buy shares in Slate, which is, of course, a new OEM or attempting to be one"
Slate is described as a company trying to become a car manufacturer (an OEM). The point is that new players are getting involved in ways that could change how dealerships make money.
Slate is referenced as an “OEM or attempting to be one,” meaning it’s trying to operate like a vehicle manufacturer rather than just a retailer. In this segment, it’s used to illustrate how investment and ownership moves by DTC players could affect dealership valuations.
OEM
"Carvana received an option to invest or to buy shares in Slate, which is, of course, a new OEM or attempting to be one"
OEM means the company that actually makes the cars in the first place. The host is saying some new companies want to be OEMs, not just sellers.
OEM stands for “original equipment manufacturer”—the company that designs and builds the vehicles sold under its brand. The host uses it to distinguish traditional dealership networks from companies trying to move upstream into manufacturing and distribution.
China EV scenario
"How do you feel about the latest in the, you know, China EV scenario?"
The host is talking about how competition from Chinese EVs could change the car market. They’re wondering whether dealerships are already accounting for that risk when they buy businesses.
The “China EV scenario” refers to how Chinese electric-vehicle competition could affect pricing, demand, and dealership profitability in other markets. The host is asking whether dealers are already factoring that risk into today’s deal terms and acquisitions.
market share gains
"which is what's happening to all of the dealerships in Europe. The profits would be devastated and if the market share gains continue, many traditional dealerships in Europe will go dark."
Market share gains mean a company is selling a bigger slice of the total cars in a country. If that slice grows, competitors sell fewer cars.
Market share gains mean a brand or group is selling a larger percentage of all cars in a market over time. When Chinese brands gain market share in Europe, it can directly reduce the sales volume of traditional dealers and automakers.
sales margin
"It won't be able to cover their costs because we're talking about a 2.5% that sales margin in the US is probably lower in Europe."
Sales margin is how much money a business keeps from each car sale after paying the costs tied to that sale. If the margin is small, losing sales volume can hurt a lot.
Sales margin is the portion of each sale that turns into profit after covering the direct costs of selling the vehicles. In dealership talk, a “thin” sales margin means even a modest loss of sales volume can wipe out profits quickly.
export driven model
"there's also a national security threat, where the Chinese auto industry, it was financed to sell far more cars per year than what the domestic Chinese consumer industry can accept. So it's an export driven model."
An export-driven model means the industry is making cars mainly to sell in other countries, not just at home. That can create extra competition for automakers and dealers in those target markets.
An export-driven model means a country’s auto industry is structured to sell more cars abroad than its home market can absorb. The speaker argues Chinese automaking is financed to produce and export beyond domestic demand, which can intensify competitive pressure overseas.
national security threat
"And as Senator Merino is saying in his bill, there's also a national security threat, where the Chinese auto industry..."
Here, “national security threat” means the concern that cars could be used to spy or cause harm in ways that affect a country. The speaker points to in-car microphones and possible listening/reporting.
In this context, “national security threat” refers to risks that foreign-made vehicles could be used to collect sensitive information or enable harmful actions. The speaker links it to connected-car features like microphones and potential data reporting.
microphones
"Every vehicle today has got microphones in it. If the Chinese vehicles are being used by citizens who have jobs that are of national security interest and they're being listened to in their cars..."
Many cars have microphones so you can talk to the infotainment system or make calls hands-free. The worry mentioned is that those microphones could potentially be used to listen and send information elsewhere.
Modern vehicles often include microphones for voice commands and hands-free calling, which makes them part of the car’s connected ecosystem. The speaker’s concern is that if those microphones are accessible or misused, audio could be captured and transmitted.
supply chain
"of these auto drivers have a whole supply chain behind them. And those people are making products and components, not just for auto retailers, but for other industries..."
A supply chain is the whole process of getting materials and parts to build products. If that system gets disrupted, it can cause problems not just for car dealers, but for many other industries too.
A supply chain is the network of companies and steps involved in making products—raw materials, parts, logistics, and assembly. The host argues that damage to the industrial base and supply chain can create ripple effects across the economy, including auto-related components and other industries.
ripple effects
"And if we have this massive devastation in our industrial base and our supply chain, what ripple effects will that have throughout our economy?"
“Ripple effects” means one problem can spread and cause other problems farther away. The host is saying supply-chain disruption could hurt more than just car sales.
“Ripple effects” are secondary consequences that spread outward from an initial disruption. Here, the host is connecting potential damage to the industrial base and supply chain to broader economic impacts.
scrutiny
"They're just not going to come in like they can be in Europe. They're going to have to be built in this country. They're going to have to have scrutiny. They're going to have to be oversight..."
“Scrutiny” means being closely checked. The host is saying regulators would look harder at these vehicles, which could make them more expensive to bring in.
“Scrutiny” in regulatory contexts means close examination by authorities to ensure compliance with rules. The host says Chinese vehicles would face scrutiny and oversight, implying tighter review could reduce their cost advantage compared with other markets.
oversight
"They're going to have to be built in this country. They're going to have to have scrutiny. They're going to have to be oversight, etc."
“Oversight” means someone watching and making sure rules are followed. The host is saying the U.S. would manage imports more tightly, which could affect pricing.
“Oversight” means ongoing monitoring and control to ensure actions follow regulations and policy goals. In the segment, it’s paired with scrutiny to describe how Chinese-vehicle entry could be managed more tightly in the U.S. than in Europe.
General Motors
"We're a little bit different here in the US because we have such a big industrial base, not just with Ford, General Motors, you know, Stellanus, but with all the other import brands that are making cars here..."
General Motors is a major U.S. car maker. They’re mentioned to support the idea that the U.S. builds many cars at home, which can limit the effect of cheaper imports.
General Motors (GM) is one of the largest automakers in the U.S. The episode cites GM alongside other automakers to argue the U.S. has enough domestic manufacturing capacity to reduce how much Chinese imports could affect pricing.
industrial base
"We're a little bit different here in the US because we have such a big industrial base, not just with Ford, General Motors, you know, Stellanus..."
“Industrial base” means how much a country can make things—like factories and suppliers. The host is saying the U.S. has a lot of car-making ability, so cheap imports may not hit prices as hard.
“Industrial base” means the country’s existing manufacturing capacity—factories, suppliers, and production know-how. In this segment, it’s used to argue that the U.S. has enough domestic production to prevent Chinese-vehicle imports from being as disruptive as they are in other countries.
Tuscaloosa
"...but with all the other import brands that are making cars here, like in Tuscaloosa, all the SUVs from Mercedes."
Tuscaloosa is a place in Alabama. The host mentions it to point out that cars are built in the U.S., not only imported.
Tuscaloosa is a city in Alabama that’s referenced here as an example of where automakers build vehicles in the U.S. The host uses it to support the idea that domestic manufacturing can limit how disruptive Chinese-vehicle imports might be to U.S. pricing.
FNI
"Last time you were on the podcast a couple of months back, I believe it was FNI that hit an all-time record PVR based on public company earnings. How are you projecting this right now in your deals..."
FNI is the money a car dealer makes from arranging loans and selling insurance, not from selling the car itself. If cars cost more, dealers often sell more financing and insurance, so this profit line usually grows.
In dealership accounting, FNI typically refers to finance, insurance, and related income streams. It’s tied to how much financing and insurance is sold per vehicle, so when vehicle values rise, FNI often rises too because there’s more to finance and insure.
PVR
"Last time you were on the podcast a couple of months back, I believe it was FNI that hit an all-time record PVR based on public company earnings."
PVR is a dealership metric that roughly means “profit per car.” It helps dealers compare performance across time and across different stores.
PVR is a dealership performance metric used to track profit per vehicle (or profit per retail vehicle). It’s commonly used to compare how efficiently dealers generate earnings from each unit sold, especially when discussing finance/insurance performance.
fixed ops
"And of course, we can touch on fixed ops as well. But those have been sort of the stable components of the dealership. Fixed ops historically always has been, most recently, FNI has been up there as well."
“Fixed ops” means the dealership’s service and parts business—like repairs, maintenance, and selling parts. It tends to be steadier than selling new cars.
“Fixed ops” is dealership shorthand for the service and parts side of the business (and related recurring revenue), as opposed to selling cars. It’s often more stable because customers keep needing maintenance and repairs even when new-car sales fluctuate.
valuation multiple
"I mentioned before GMC that we raised our valuation multiple on GMC because there's enough demand for those big, well-equipped luxury trucks that GMC dealers are doing great."
A valuation multiple is a way investors price a business—like paying “a certain number of times” its earnings. If the multiple goes up, it usually means the buyer expects better results.
A valuation multiple is how a business value is expressed relative to a metric like earnings or cash flow (e.g., “X times” a profit measure). In dealership deals, raising a valuation multiple means paying more per unit of expected earnings because the operator believes the store’s future performance is stronger.
reinsurance profits
"which is a little bit of a complexity in the buy-sell market, is that the reinsurance profits that dealers are enjoying through FNI products are very significant"
Reinsurance is insurance for insurance. Here, it’s being used to explain how dealers can earn extra money from warranty/insurance structures—not just from selling cars.
Reinsurance profits come from insurance companies (or dealer-linked entities) transferring part of their risk to another insurer and then earning underwriting/financial returns. In this context, the host is saying dealers can earn meaningful profit through reinsurance tied to vehicle service/warranty products.
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