F_cking Cars Nov 10, 2025

Forming Sheet Metal | F_cking Cars Podcast Ep 11

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low horsepower

Low horsepower means the car doesn't have a lot of power, making it slower compared to more powerful cars.

Term

35s

'35s' means the tires are 35 inches tall. Bigger tires can change how the car drives and how fast it can go.

Term

sticky tires

Sticky tires are made to grip the road better, helping the car not to slip when driving fast or turning.

Term

gear ratio

Gear ratio is how the engine's power is turned into movement. A taller gear means the car can go faster but might be slower to accelerate.

Term

spring rate

Spring rate is how stiff a spring is. It tells you how much the spring will compress when weight is applied, which impacts how the car handles and feels when driving.

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control arm

A control arm is a part of the car's suspension that helps connect the body of the car to the wheels. It allows the wheels to move up and down while keeping them aligned properly.

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corner weight

Corner weight is how much weight is on each wheel of the car. Balancing this weight helps the car handle better when driving, especially during turns.

Term

frequency

Frequency is how often a spring moves up and down when it is pushed and released. It affects how the car feels on the road, like how bumpy or smooth the ride is.

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hertz

Hertz is a way to measure how often something happens in one second. In cars, it can describe how quickly a spring moves up and down, which affects the ride quality.

Term

suspension

Suspension is the part of a car that helps it stay stable and comfortable while driving. It includes things like springs and shocks that help absorb bumps in the road.

Part

springs

Springs are parts of a car's suspension that help it ride smoothly over bumps. They can be different types and strengths, which change how the car handles.

Part

differential

A differential is a part of a car that helps the wheels turn at different speeds, which is important when going around corners. It makes driving smoother and safer.

Car

Toyota Supra

The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love for its speed and looks. It's popular for racing and modifying to make it even faster.

Part

quick disconnects

Quick disconnects are special connectors that let you easily attach and detach hoses or pipes. This makes it faster to work on cars because you don't need tools to take things apart.

Term

turbo

A turbo is a part that helps the engine get more air, which lets it burn more fuel and go faster. It's often used to make cars more powerful.

Car

Ford Mustang

The Mustang is a well-known sports car made by Ford. It's famous for its powerful engines and sporty looks, making it a favorite among car lovers.

Term

fiberglass hood

A fiberglass hood is a car part made from a lightweight material called fiberglass. It's used to make the car lighter and can be shaped in different ways for better performance.

Term

Elanor style

The 'Eleanor' style is a look inspired by a famous car from a movie. It usually has special features that make it look more sporty and unique, especially on a Ford Mustang.

Part

flat hood

A flat hood is simply a car hood that doesn't have any curves or bulges. It's often used to make the car look more aggressive or to help with engine cooling.

Car

Dodge Charger

The Dodge Charger is a big car that looks tough and can go really fast. It's popular because it has a lot of power and a cool design, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.

Part

ProCharger

ProCharger is a type of supercharger that helps engines produce more power by pushing in extra air. This makes the car faster and more powerful.

Concept

sheet metal

Sheet metal is just thin pieces of metal that are used to make parts of the car's body. They are shaped and put together to form the car's outer structure.

Term

body kit

A body kit is a set of parts you can add to a car to change how it looks. It can make the car look sportier or more aggressive by adding new pieces like bumpers and side skirts.

Concept

Art Morrison chassis

An Art Morrison chassis is a special frame that helps make cars perform better, especially when customizing them. It's like giving a car a strong and modern base to build on.

Car

Chevrolet C5

The Chevrolet C5 Corvette is a sports car that was made between 1997 and 2004. It's known for being fast and has a cool design that many people like.

Car

Mazda Rx7

The Mazda RX-7 is a small sports car that is known for being really fun to drive. It has a special kind of engine that makes it different from most cars, and many people love its stylish look.

Car

Ferrari V12

The Ferrari V12 is a powerful engine used in Ferrari cars. It's known for being very fast and making a unique sound, which makes it popular among car enthusiasts.

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You know like flat flat super titties metal finished out

That last one to two percent is like 90% of the time 99% of the time. So

Hey

Yesterday my kid and I were

Goofing off and I was kind of like you want to go do some burnouts and take some videos

Nice, he's like, uh, yeah, I think we need to do that. So then I

Walked in to where my where my wife was and I said we're gonna go do burnouts down some empty cul-de-sac

She said okay, so we just had it

Hey hopped in the bed of the truck we grabbed a tripod and

Went and did a couple attempted

low horsepower Toyota burnouts, but uh

It was good time

It did the the 35s get real sticky as they heat up

I bet they do

They already have big old lugs on them and then

right you you got to think it's really messing with the

gear ratio of the the truck because you

Basically making first gear a taller gear by having those 35s on there and then it as they get sticky fast

It starts to grip more than smoke, but it was still fun

I got the rubber all over your new paint job. No, I didn't it wasn't kicking it out all over the place. I

Would have just left it if it did though

That was always my favorite things in like hot rod magazine where there'd be like the really cool car

And then the quarter panels just caked in rubber

Yeah, right

But oh, yeah

It's good to go do burnouts with your kid and then tell him like quick grab the tripod get in the truck

And then we leave before we go

Also, you can't do this. It's illegal

Yeah

To be 13 again

Oh my god, but I always told my old man to do burnouts and it's too hard on shit can't do burnouts. It's too hard

Well, when you fix your own stuff, it'll be kind of like that

Yeah, true

My friend's

Two or three year old son. I think he's three. He uh

Yeah, he's three. It's just about to turn four. Maybe thank you

He always says dad do your burnout and then when he does a burnout and is like Tacoma or his Datsun or whatever he goes

That wasn't very good

But

Got rid of my burnout machine that that square body that thing was fun. Was it good for burn out?

All right, you can you just burn tires just not even trying it's it just had some skinny tires on it

Yeah, I mean they look good. They're still pretty skinny. Yeah. I mean you go over

A white line or they go across the road and it's just like

You end up tripping the tires going over them if you're accelerating even a little bit. Yeah

That's yeah, anyway

I wish I still had something to drive

but it's all it's sweater season now so

Build season as they call it in wisconsin

Build season that's a nice way to wrap up something crappy. What's a nice nice term?

Not you in a sweater. I mean I mean cold weather is something crappy

Yeah

Oh, it's gross out

Really gross out

Not but you probably but

I had to wear the hoodie a couple days because it was uh getting down into the 50s

In the morning

I know nice

We got all the windows and stuff open on the house. So it's nice to save a little on air conditioning here in there

Yeah, I bet that bill gets a lot in the summertime. Fuck

It's on yeah, you got to think on it more on a day-to-day basis

So you go well today it only cost me 13 dollars to keep the house cool because that doesn't sound too bad if you're like comparing it to sandwiches

Sandwich a day for comfort. You know what I mean, but if you go my bills my bills through almost 400 dollars

That doesn't sound that good

Sandwiches I like that everything's

I can't

Oh, yeah, I see anything done on your truck this last week at all in the last couple weeks

I have been taking it. Uh, just kind of driving it waiting for my most recent springs to come

Um, oh, yeah, that's right. Just want me to get some new stuff coming

Yeah, I think I went over this but uh, I found where I was going wrong in the math. Um

Because basically your spring rate is calculated off of

Uh, your your control arm's a lever you have a certain corner weight and then you have the ratio that the shock moves versus to the

The wheel and then um, you base that your spring rate off of how much weight it's carrying and then there's frequency things like that too

um, like

how many how many hurts you want your spring to be

Per the weight because for the different kinds of riding you're doing but

I found that I was doing something really simple like the kind of thing that gets you in trouble in math class

where you go

If you if you need something to I needed to multiply

my motion ratio by

Because it's holding more weight because it's farther in on the lever than the than the wheel

But since it's a decimal I was multiplying by a decimal less than one

So i'm not actually getting my multiple you actually I need to divide the decimal to get the multiple of what it's a mess but uh

One yeah one little math mistake, but I'm really uh, I'm glad it was me messing up because that restores my faith in

Setting up the next one. So I can you want to do that again though

No, that's why I always tell everybody the only reason I'm good at anything is a lot of mistakes

Yeah, I mean that's how anybody's got anywhere. I mean rarely is anybody just walked into

any profession and then like

Got it all figured out first day. I mean don't tell you they do but

Yeah

Suspensions one of those dark magic things too that there's just really not that many people into it that you can lean on

I mean the internet's a great thing. You can talk to a lot of people

But even still on the internet how many guys are building

home-built long travels and then the

Even like when I talked to he just goes. Oh, I just talked to the shock company. You know what I mean, so

Most of the people aren't

Diving quite as deep as I am

Not to say that I'm just buy a bunch of different springs and see what works. I mean some of it's that too, you know

Yeah, or if you keep your stuff even if you extend it out you kind of try to keep the ratios the same

You can run pretty close to stock weight springs, but

That's all right. I'm just filled in the data bank up with more information. So

Think uh, yeah, I've been looking a lot at the frame that we have for the next truck we're building for my son and

Looking at mono placement because I want to do a center mount

Long travel on the front of that. So then I was looking at different differential options

Because if you want to bring your control arms in and have them, you know

Six inches apart four inches apart from each other at the mounting so you can have a nice long arm

Have a big smooth motion

Um, you need to actually center mount your different your front differential whereas most

That sounds a lot of a lot of problems

it does um

Can you get something like junkyard that would work for?

So like not super expensive then what I was looking at is a lot of people are taking like a

An independent rear suspension

differential

Oh, sure and putting it in the front

So you obviously have to have clearance for your oil if you drive your shaft

But um, yeah, I could if I wanted to really stay toyota you could get an older toyota supra

Rear differential and you mount it in the middle and then you base your bulkheads and your suspension mounting off of that

You know, are you gonna get that nuts though? I don't think I get that nuts

I mean this kid's gonna roll it over a rock anyway, right?

We don't have rocks in florida

Do you have any rocks come on man? There's got to be rocks. There's not rocks

there's uh

They have coquina just to swap

Yeah, they they have a rock called coquina here. It's basically ancient limestone from coral reefs back when florida was underwater

It's like the old reef, but they're just like these big awkward white sharp pointy rocks, but

As far as I guess I find

Orlando's not really

Never hit a rock, but no

Who would have thought

Well, I just got done uh on the last couple days welding on uh model era if I did like

Is it four feet four twelve feet?

It's got to be like 12 to 15 feet of butt welding to uh, take butt welding

She melted together to get that rough welded together. It was a bunch of shit. Yeah

There's a lot

But hammering it all out on the power hammer makes that stuff so fast like usually it's trying to finish it out

Uh, even with planching hammer takes a lot longer

Like buttery smooth with the power hammer. It's so fucking cool

Equipment makes life easier

Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun

I mean being able to actually use it and be efficient and be like wow, I just bang that up super fast

And uh, that's it makes it worth it, but then it's like man. I wish I could

If you could do that all day you could pay for the machine a little faster, you know, right?

But uh, I don't know someday

We'll get there

I don't think being a playing on the power hammer all day would be exactly that fun either sometimes

It's you know applying it to the car and you know, yeah making a functioning part at the same thing

We all need a little variety

for sure

Mm-hmm

Yes, yes getting all kinds of fomo seeing people

With their trailers loaded up to vegas for sima

oh man

Is sima this coming week?

Yeah, yep

Yeah, I've been watching a lot of you know, sima crunch build videos

Have you ever seen you know who's so metal shaping is in vegas? No

They have a party so they're right right in downtown not downtown vegas, but close

um, but they have uh, it's pretty they do some really nice awesome work, but um

They have a party every year and it's like

It's like the freaking it's like the who's who of you just it looks like the place. I want to be

Man is everybody's there like anybody that's anybody seems like they're there and their roaster shop party looks pretty awesome

But you got to have tickets go to that

It sounds like it sold out before it even like kind of really took off for sale, which kind of sucks, but

Yeah, man, I want to go real bad real bad

Next year next year maybe

That's yeah, I mean I definitely want to go

I mean I want to go with or without a car

But I think next year the the plan is to have that car ready to take there

Whether or not we have somebody lined up to have a booth or anything like that

But we want to have that direction with that car. So

I definitely think it's doable because now we're just down to getting some of the last pieces of sheet metal welded on it

and then

just basically get all the

under dash components put in

And just get it a driver plumb it and wire it so I mean it's not

That's definitely not the easy part, but to a certain extent some of it's going to be out of my hand

So I'll be helping you know in other areas. I mean just to you know

Introducing some somebody that's smarter than me when it comes to wiring and plumbing and all that bullshit

Makes things go a lot faster and

Not excited for that part

Just because like working with somebody to make something cool is up is also fun

Getting somebody else's ideas as far as mechanically making sure you get your hands in there all that good stuff

Yeah, I like anytime I get to work with other and you know scaled people because you can pick up a lot of new things and

Bend that you're building something even if you're not wiring it you can plan ahead for

You know how you might wire it or plummet later so that it helps helps with everything for the future

Yeah, I mean even just dealing with some of the collision stuff I've done in the past

I think that helps a lot with that just as far as like how you like uh

Can disassemble something and put it back together because on these cars you got to do it

How many times you got to be able to do it after you're painted so

You're gonna be able to fit the part in the area without scratching the stuff isn't you know, that's the first goal

You don't have any scratching the shit putting it in for for the first install. It sounds stupid

right I've been uh

Looking at a lot of these they got like quick disconnects for everything now quick disconnects for all like your main battery stuff power

And like a lot of the plumbing now you can do power steering lines quick disconnect all your oil lines all sorts of really sweet stuff

I've never seen it before

Like for turbos and all sorts of stuff

Just a quick disconnect oil line

Can't last

you know

For how much is rattling around heating up cooling down

You know just thinking your airlines in the shop you can have something connected for a long time and it's still gonna end up weak

I do think that these probably uh

Cost a little bit more than uh airline fitting though. They probably have a little bit more

Qc that's possible

I buy all the you know the high flow junk here. So everything's like all my tools have the high flow couplers on

Some people in the shops I've worked in some people are just like

What a waste of money

Well, like I don't know man all your shit runs better

Makes sense to me

Yep. Yeah, you're paying

Yeah, I mean you're paying to compress the air you might as well pay a little bit to have better flow

To get to your air tool as well. So I mean it's all like

Everything you should be doing has some efficiency. Well

Especially if your paint guns have it anyways, that's where all I just took them all from the paint gun stuff, you know

right

Yeah, I've definitely been in a lot of shops where they only do harbor freight air fittings because they don't see the sense

in spending money for their

So stupid

And then they'll put the uh the orange

the orange, uh

contaminant

Three of them on the end of their guns and shit. Oh my god. This looks hilarious

Or they'll buy like 10 of them and put them in a row before their hose. I've seen that too

Some of the home guys. Oh my god

Just buy a harbor freight air dryer

They all that stuff's coming down in price quite a bit

You can get a harbor freight air dryer for less than 700 bucks, right?

I mean that's pretty and it works. I have one

Yeah, we use one for our powder coat setup

that might work

Yeah, this is

Works surprisingly well. I say that I better find some wood to knock on the fucker. It'll be junk next week

Yeah, we uh, we also did uh, we ordered uh

a Chinese

Rotary vane or whatever screw compressor and with its own dryer built in and all that

It's like half the price of buying a

Ingersoll that's made in china and uh, I put that in and plumbed it all in it for my shop when we hooked the cnc up and

Amazing how

I mean, it's the they're like a same price because it seems like all the big names that you buy here american

Uh brands. They're all just chinese parts anyways, so

I totally agree. Yeah

It's very rarely that made in united states

They have cool names over there, too. They're I think we got like an air horse and there was like air bear and like

Flow shark install sorts of cool stuff

Fuck flow shark

Sounds tits

Hell yeah, oh, yeah

I see you got us lined up here. So we get to see your uh, your belt line on the 66

Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need to do a little video on that. I've had talked about it last time. I still haven't done it yet, but

Yeah, I'm getting every time I'll work on that car

And now I just get more and more excited about getting it done because I can see it's like

Once you start putting it together and really seeing the the the hood through

Uh from the backside of the radiator to the hood through stuff. I don't have that completely done

But I'm getting a little more lined up now to how I like

Uh where I like how the hood flows into it into the scoop itself and actually it looks like it

It's just continuation of the hood

it's just and

I never thought I'd actually like a Mustang that's much

I really do dig it

Yeah, there's definitely uh

More maturity to the build that you've got there versus

I saw you posted pictures of when the car came in had like the fiberglass shelving hood and with the big scoop on it and the

You know fiberglass air dam on the front. Yep

Yeah, they also had like the uh

Uh the elinor style

Bubbly side skirt things that had the exhaust coming off the side

Just because they had an art morse and chassis with exhaust off the side

So that was what they wanted to use and man, none of it was straight like

You know how those cheap kits were bar, you know

So if anybody wants a cheap fiberglass kit that came off this car it comes with the back

The taillights that are the similar like the 67 shelby style taillights in it and stuff

But yeah, you just basically replicated

similarly what they had there

As far as the quarter extensions the deck lid

the front end was

Kind of an evolution the customer wanted a flat hood. He didn't really dig the big scoop in it

and then um being able to do the flat hood with the pro charger that was kind of it took a lot of measuring and we're like

I think it's like half inch away from the

Ex-outside skin of the hood. So I mean we're good, but it's close and then um

I've always wanted to do some reliefs in the hood of a

Of a car any car kind of like I did in this thing

It just kind of fit the how the whole thing was working

after have after doing the front bumper and then getting the

Getting all the front sheet metal done basically rebuilding everything in the front end of the car

just the whole

Like standing back and looking at it now it's still

I'm as impressive to me as when I kind of the vision I had so I feel like I'm really onto something

As far as like how cool I think the car is way cooler just the visual from the side

I'm not having those squatty ass rockers and stuff. I just

Fucking like it a lot

It's definitely more full figured where you have the the rocker and the offenders come down a little bit farther and

With the shape of the car instead of just hitting the bottom of the door and going

right

Or having a yeah like a big bubble at the bottom like making it look like

more than what it is, you know like a

body kit kind of stuff

To me, I've always thought that these cars had pretty awesome lines

You know working at the shops that the shot that we worked at you know doing high-end

Mustangs for five years

You see like ah, man

It'd be cooler if this was just this line was just down a little farther

You stare at them so long because you're literally staring at Mustangs every day at least eight hours a day for

you know five years and

So you get to kind of see like I would have done this and I would have done that but

Where do you ever have time to or like an opportunity to

Put those into vision, you know or into reality and uh, I don't know just thankful that I definitely have the customer that's just like

make it cool

Yeah, and I think that having this one customer and doing it and then once you get the car to the you know to the finish line

I think that'll show other people that they can trust you, you know through and through

Yeah, that's get the car done. It's definitely gonna be we're gonna try and take it on

Take it to a bunch of shows just because how else do you get it out in front of people besides like youtube and stuff?

but you can't I mean

Some of the stuff on youtube is cool, but then you start looking at looking digging into

Like I don't want to shit on anybody

That rufian mustang was all was all rattle can on the inside

He's like he kind of brags about it a little bit that under the hood and on the inside is all rattle can and stuff

It's like

So people are just it's the highest the high end stuff, but some of it's just rattle can and stuff, you know, so it's

Yeah, so it's kind of like I don't know

It's it's everybody's got their own flavor and if you're in california rattle can is probably sufficient

It's not going to rust away

But I mean you have any sort of humidity and elements that like we do in wisconsin or anywhere in the midwest

The car has to be like a little nicer than rattle can quality to me

So being able to take a car to that level

Like they came in wanting this car this customer came in wanting a nice car

I mean, it's obviously on an art morrison chassis with a coyote

So I mean he's already got a bunch of money into it. So it's already, you know, it's already

Expected to a certain level and then once he's telling me that he wants all the stuff made out of sheet metal

That's a whole nother level of car to me

Just a whole nother level of customizing. I should say

It's not just bolting on a different bumper or fitting a different bumper that this and that actually made one

It made it attached completely custom. So like there's some really really rad shit to be able to show that off

You got to take it in front of people that want to pay for that kind of stuff, too

So I don't know you want to put in front of somebody that's going to be like

I want one that's cooler than this one

Game on let's do it. Yeah, that's that's definitely what you want to get going

Fuck yeah

Yeah, I mean, I'm not really I I'm just some of it is

You're doing it by yourself. So it's like man, is this the right idea, you know

But some of that's just having faith in uh in your uh in your vision and

Saying it mean even the front bumper if you put it next to a regular Mustang it kind of looks like

You almost have to delete what you think of a front end of a Mustang and then this looks good

But then if you put them next to each other, they look very different. It's not like you're you're you're deleting the idea of

Factory bumper and even the r-code bumper the one that came on the car

Is doesn't fit the car at all you look for the side as soon as you come off the fender the line

Comes like straight down and they make some better versions of them, but they still don't look good on the car

It was just a race car front bumper that they had at the time

You know, I don't think they spent it on a ton a ton of time

Making sure the design was that cool. It just needed to have some holes in it

To let air through and fog lights. Yeah, I think when shelby was doing it

They were building a you know or basically a race spec thing

They weren't trying to build a car to the level you're building they weren't building show cars

That was just like an option. It wouldn't be a letting but

The styling is the one thing where they're not gonna like you're not gonna totally revamp the front end and how a bumper attaches

You know, right? Yeah, when you're doing an OEM, you know dealership add-on or

Yeah, you're breaking a new car and doing it to it. You're not gonna hack it all up

I think it'd be cool to get to a level to where not necessarily saying you're doing uh

Kind of like this car or I mean we there we were replicating

I shouldn't say the whole thing is my vision

Because it's definitely not because I were replicating some of the stuff that was already there

So, I mean we replicated some of the stuff for that was already there

But then it was like, okay, let's let's make this

Since we did the back the spoiler and the taillights

Like let's make everything flow with some of the some of the cool ideas that were there

So we're just kind of going with it. Um

But being able to have it'd be cool to have a customer obviously that I think that

The quintessential awesome part of having a shop would be having customers come to you and be like

Just do your thing on it. I trust you like that would be the best, right? I think that um

The shops that do that they have some type of way to give a render though

Like a you know, whether that they're doing the

There has to be otherwise nobody's going to put money down on a car and just be like

This is this is what you're going to get, you know, but uh

Yeah, I mean with AI. I think it's going to be easier to do renderings

And not have to have a ton of ton of people involved

Yeah, for sure. You know, you're an easier and easier, but um

Yeah

What's your motor mounting situation you said you got a half an inch of clearance

So what is it poly mounts solid mounts?

It's I mean, it's got uh a poly

Mount but it's I mean, it's pretty much solid. It's not really going to go anywhere

I mean for how tight everything is it's pretty it's pretty much it's not solid, but it's pretty much solid

They ain't going to move

Really hardly at all at least I'm hoping I can't foresee it moving that much if it does it's going to be hitting a lot of shit because I mean

Everything is so tight with exhaust and everything, you know, it's it's everything's got to be pretty solid. So

Yeah, I mean

The

Engine and transmission is pretty much as far down as you would ever need to ever want to have it in that car

Even with the body the body extended down farther

Just with it even on the chassis with the oil pan and everything you definitely don't want to go any farther

We thought we could potentially get a whipple on top when we were trying to decide on

super charging systems and stuff like that, but

the

I've seen one where

Install on a coyote on this style car where they had a whipple on it and they actually just cut

Because the whipple out the new ones actually look really

Like aesthetically pleasing and they don't have like their name on top of it. It's just like, you know

Really nice cast piece. So they just cut a hole in it made it look like a shaker

It's really really cool. But it's I mean, you're also just cutting the foam to it at the same time, you know

But we he didn't really want to do that and I didn't I didn't think that that was very cool either

So I always thought pro charger stuff was really neat and even just

Was bolt-on?

Superchargers pretty red

Yes, you know see what is it?

C5 with a pro charger on it for sale. I was like, oh god damn that thing looks cool, too

Actually, I need some some sort of fast toy, man

I've always had a soft spot for c5s and I that might be uh, you know growing up in the 90s thing

You know, that was the new core new cover that body style that came out in my lifetime

I'd like kits those those look really awesome. They look really cool

They remind me of rx7 a little bit if you could change the back bumper, you know, it just needs a new back bumper

That's the only thing I really never really could bought them

I like it on the scoops

I could figure it out

Sheet metal back bumper on a five-glass car

Maybe you could almost make it, you know, I thought about making it out of

You don't want to make it out of sheet metal

and then

Or make a buck and do aluminum something like that, you know

Or you could make it out of sheet metal and then do a casting for out not casting but do like a mold for

fiberglass or even composite or something like that, you know, like

The carbon fiber something like that. I don't know that'd be cool

I don't know that carbon

To when you see it done on tv, I don't know

It seems like you just have to have the right chemicals and the right pump and bag and all that bullshit

To vacuum it all out. It didn't seem like it was really that overwhelming

It's pretty similar to fiberglass really. I mean you can lay it almost just like fiberglass

But to get it real thin and real lightweight. Yeah, they do the uh

vacuum resin setup

Yeah, it doesn't seem that bad. I think a guy could do it

Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool. It's like somebody just I mean, I think uh any sort of

You could redo even like designing. I always thought like being a kid designing

Body kits for cars have been like the coolest job

You know, because you just get to play with like clay and stuff and you get to fuck around and make this cool design and then

people just buy it like

The coolest cars had the coolest kits, you know

But uh

I spent a lot of time on andy's autosport.com back in the day. That was the body kit capital

Yeah, there's I mean you could buy a body kit for dammit or anything back in the day, you know sunbirds you could buy a body kit for a sunbird

Funny transition by the first car ever painted when I was 15 was a 99 cavalier

And we put a body kit from andy's autosport.com on it and um

My friend just like I lived an hour and a half or so away from him. He showed up with

The car and the body kit and we were just going to take a week

Of our summer break or whatever and put it on paint the car

and

We went to put the front bumper up to the car and it was like four inches wider than the car

Yeah

Like did you cut it all apart and read uh fiber fiber lice it all back together and shit

I I sectioned it right in the middle because it was just the grille was way too wide. I didn't understand how

In our uh in my auto body class, um

That we had for in uh technical college

There was it was just like

Imports and mini trucks was all it was

I think what did we call it mini truck and an import fucking

That's pretty funny

Classy

Yeah, right, uh, but yeah, it was like

A lot of import stuff getting body kits on it and

Man, you could tell the kids that paid up on their kits

Because there were there was one kid that had like a 99 or 2000 civic and he had a urethane body kit

He like paid like bought the the nicest kit there was right and man the dude bolted it right

He painted and bolted it on like it was fantastic

Then on the other side, there was this kid had uh, I think it was like a 93 hatchback

I think the 93s were the curvy ones when the first it started with the curvy curvy style

Is that 93 94 somewhere in there?

And uh, he had this big elaborate, you know

Like this big huge snorkely looking body kit for that was all fiberglass and

Dude, he spent the whole freaking set like semester just cutting it apart and getting it to fit

Like it's just

ridiculous

I think he put like one suicide door in it

so the doors are like

Open up

had the gold, you know like

It was just

It's one of those cars where it probably looked cool for a year and then you know the body work was so

It's just like when you're trying to shove all that stuff together

It just never lasts like none of those cars you're trying like body work the

bumpers into the fenders and they're just you know modern the stuff

So it's real durable

Yeah

Yeah, that was a fun class though

There's a lot of people like all the s10s in the that the mini trucks

Everybody shaved their tail lights and did different tail lights, you know

So everybody was kind of doing like similar stuff, but a little bit different putting their own flavor on it. It was pretty fun

Like one guy had super tail lights on his s10. That was pretty cool

They sold it you could buy a roll pan and there he had it in it

It was like the most expensive one you could buy and he was all proud of it and then

He had a this dude had a

His rear end was going out. So his truck would like vibrate, you know, and he took his tailgate off

and

So his truck hit the box sides vibrated and it freaking cracked the roll pan

Yeah

Dude to carry your truck, man

Yeah, yeah, I gotta start on my tube tailgate soon. I'm gonna build a

Oh, you're gonna build like a

Yeah, I'm gonna do an aluminum tube tailgate that kind of bubbles out and then my so my rear tire will be or my spare tire will be mounted to it

I'm gonna do it laying down

So but the profile the tire will be kind of bent out in the tailgate and then

So a big thing with like the pre runners

Do you want as much weight in the back as you can because it keeps you running level if you're sure

And then

I'm gonna make it so it swings out and the tire will swing with it and then under where the tire is I want to

Cut a hole in the bottom of my box and make like a trunk

kind of hidden

Sure, you know keep oil in and jack and whatever

But it's a bunch of wasted space if your tire is not down there

So I figure do a trunk set up there and then when the tailgates close you won't even see it really because the spare tire will cover the area

Nice

All part of the whole picture

Right

Or that's not even gonna be a usable truck when you're done

Congratulations, I think if I can hold off on the

Poor link in the rear set up

It'll still be a truck until I do that and then after that it'll be yeah, yeah

Not awesome. That's a full blown commitment there. You better just have a different truck lined up at that point

I think I'm gonna do I'm gonna get my front suspension done. I'm gonna get the

The rear taken care of with the tube tailgate. I want to take the the hitchhanks down because it used to be under the stock bumper

but the pre runner bed sides cut up at an angle for clearance in the back and then

I'm gonna do a just a bumper bar

Hitch that goes across the frame rails

So it'll be tucked up there. I can still throw a drop hitch in it and tow if I want to and then

Put some clevises and whatever on it and there'll be the big tube tailgate

So that'll kind of clean up the rear end and make it all one

I'm looking for there right one one blowing uh

My brain's not hitting words, but it'll make it all look like one continuous thing cohesive bro cohesive

Cohesive design is what it's all about

yeah

I was actually having a lot of

thoughts and discussion with a couple friends of that this week

Because I drove my truck a couple days

And I've got it sitting out and when you look at it

Obviously, it's five colors and

You know all that yeah suspensions red

But if you look at it

There isn't one thing

That is like, oh, that's the standout part of it and I was thinking about that because I I'm almost like

A little part of me like the teenage part of me is almost a little disappointed because you want to be like

Oh, that guy's got a wide trucker. Oh that guy's got this part and then I was the more I thought in depth of it

But when we were you know when you get into the building cars

It's like the part or the kit that you put on it is the highlight of the vehicle

That's right. Oh for sure

And then every new every new part is the new fancy part and you want to highlight that

I mean, that's kind of what products are to a certain extent, especially when you see them in a magazine

That's how they are

But when you're using that product in the right way, this is what you get

I mean, this is what you know, this is the idea is you don't want to necessarily highlight anything

Specifically like you go to a car show and you're like, oh, did you see the Corvette with those wheels?

Did you see the Corvette with that?

Right engine or did you see that car with the headers?

You know what I mean like it used to be that the part or for so much it seems like the part the volt on

Or the paint job is the standout

Thing about it, but because I've basically

gotten into

most of what is the truck

Nothing is the standout product it almost sure it's almost kidding into the territory of like factory race

style

Because it's wide and the tires stick out a little bit, but

they stick out like just the right amount and

The suspension is red and flaked out and you see it from the front

but

The same color is red and paint and like all the stuff

There isn't in there isn't one thing that somebody's gonna go and talk to somebody about with the truck

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, no, I get it. So

I was thinking like oh, that's that's also it's also like

Not making gaudy choices as well. Like, you know, like

Fucking euro tail lights or like putting some other weird headlight in it, you know, that wouldn't even look right

Like it can be custom, but just because it's custom doesn't mean it's cool

Right. So then I was kind of like, well, I guess

I'm thinking of it as a bad thing, but it's not a bad thing because like if you know you were to park my truck in any pit anywhere

An off-road track or whatever you'd be like, oh, did you see that pre-runner and it's like it's just what it is now it's not

It's not the sum of its parts anymore

Right, right, right where most build or a stock a stock truck inspired by or something like that, right?

Right most builds are I got you know wheels and airbags and you know a hood or you know what I mean that it's not

You're just shitting on air ride

But you know what I mean like people buy a couple cases and then they'll have like oh, I just finished this build

and it's like

True and it's awesome, but it's like

your car is the sum of its parts

kind of

yeah

and I feel like for the first time

on my own vehicle I've stepped into

You know, maybe the next realm, you know where I've got the composition of a vehicle

Yeah, I think it just having the uh

I mean this

It's just having a vision and making sure you're staying with that in that direction because some of it is

You know having squirrel moments, you know, you're like ooh new shiny thing and I want to introduce that, you know sometimes there's

I mean even high-end customers

I think have a vision

And that they saw something they liked

Like if the customer wanted like wide body stuff on this car on this Mustang the 66 it would be

A vastly different looking car. It wouldn't even it wouldn't we wouldn't be doing the stock ish style rocker

You know, we wouldn't be doing anything like that because it would be a totally different flavor

But knowing what you you know, we were kind of when this car came to us. We were married to some of the

uh aesthetics that it kind of came to us with some idea in in mind

I mean making sure you're staying to that vision to a certain extent you need to like

Have follow through and and uh and maybe a good vision to begin with because sometimes I think having a good vision to begin with is uh

I mean you can tell that that you've been in the automotive field or had the flavor for a very long time with how

That truck is coming out. Like you said that there's a

There's something to be said about that, you know having the forethought of making sure it doesn't totally look like a turd in the end

I mean, there's people that they'll spend

Years chopping a car and it's still like what the fuck took a ticket out of the garage for 10 minutes and look at it, you know

yes

Like it's I feel like I've lost a little part of me for like the the hot wheels extreme

You know what I mean? Like there was this

You know what I mean? You it'll be like you when you're at a car show like I said, there'll be a line of cars and then

There's like one different thing about each one or maybe one has two things

and I feel like

um like this is the first set of new wheels I've ever bought and

Cell phone photoshopped using a couple different apps all the different wheel choices that I was looking at I didn't just go

I like this wheel. I'm gonna buy this wheel. I looked at a

six different wheels

I sent it to a bunch of choices to a bunch of people and disagreed with them

But I like I like to see why somebody was thinking one direction and

You like these options? Well, here's how you're wrong

Yeah, yeah, my friend right away. He's like, why did you ask?

But I wanted to know why they thought that but I photoshopped a bunch of wheels onto the truck and I was like, okay

This one is the one that's the most cohesive to hit hit Clinton's words for today and uh

So I bought these beadlock wheels and

They're really wicked and if I was to bolt them to my kid's truck, they would look insane

But you bolt them on my truck

They just looked like

Yeah, that that's the right wheel

Right. Yeah, well

Sometimes uh

I think a lot of wheels can be the right wheel that depends on the person though. I mean wheels are like

Brace my foot some shit, you know, I don't know. They're so like

Swap a minute out. You can have a badass ride swap the wheels and it even looks better, you know

Yeah, I've got there's definitely wheels that if the budget was there, I would have gone with a different

but um

right

It's just it's like uh, I bought

I bought my first new set of wheels and they don't even like when you look at the truck you never

I don't think anybody's gonna be like

sweet wheels

Because they don't they're not a standout item

Do you see where I'm where I'm going?

Yeah, I do. I do. Oh, I mean it would be honestly, it would be the same thing. I've I've heard uh

Troy from rad rides say the same thing on a podcast

That they'll take the chicane to a local car show

And or they have and it's done nothing. Nobody even cares about it

Like there was a at hub city days here in town a big car show that pulls like 500 600 cars normally

um, there was a

It was a stock Corvette, but it had you know ls and a stock

Body Corvette, but it had ls in it and it had a lot of cool aftermarket

electronic stuff on it and it was nice like super nice paint like really really fucking nice car, right?

And there's people he had to like I think the guy should add a fence around it

There's people like touching it all over it. They don't care

Nobody can they they're just looking at

I don't know

To me some of the local cars show stuff and you can't get too discouraged by

Somebody who wouldn't trade places with or take any advice from so

Some of it's a you know that

Yeah, I'm not discouraged by any means. It's just uh, it's it's a different feeling

No, I know I get it

No, I I definitely understand that because sometimes there's times where I'll have an idea and do something

Or lay something out and I'll take photos of it

Usually I take photos of it if I'm and then like later on I'll like just stare at the photos because sometimes you can see stuff

In a photo that you don't necessarily see in real person or in real in real time. Sometimes photos show a little more

You're zooming in on stuff on angles and light lines and things like that

You can see a little bit more just because you're staring at one version of it a little longer

But then also sharing it with my wife because

She I think she has good taste automatically like automotive wise and has

Not necessarily saying I'm taking I'm wrote that she's gonna be the one

You know the definitive answer on just style design or whatever

But from almost a woman's perspective like does it does it

Look aesthetically pleasing. Does this look better than this?

Like does this angle look better than this like sometimes it just getting somebody else is

Almost art eye does that make sense? I don't know

When you're when you're like when you're not asking about the car

You're just asking about small design things that you like this better than this this angle better than this angle. I don't know

Or we're getting in the weeds aren't we?

Yeah, but I think that's where uh things

take another

You know, that's where you level up a little bit

Like your quarter window. Yeah, I mean, I think so too. I mean that's where it's like people

I think the owner of jimmy johns just came out saying something like if you think the

Having a business and you can have a work-life balance like that's basically bullshit

Yeah, if you have a business it's all the time and and it is really I mean

I don't I knew that if I ever I was in a band previously to

Having my own shop and I always knew that if I were to ever pull the trigger on

Having my own shop that there's no way I could be in a band at the same time like it takes

It takes all of you

so once you start getting into this and I I love digging into automotive design stuff so um

You know, so once it's in my hands and in my lap for something. Absolutely love

It's takes over all the time like I'm constantly looking at different different

Different cars to get different design

Elements and ideas just even as far as like a turn signal now

Now we have to figure out a front turn signal in the Mustang so

I want to try and find some sort of led strip or

An existing turn signal that I can mount behind the grill like an existing Mustang

And possibly a late model something. I'm not really sure but we'll see

Yeah, I'm always looking for inspiration from different builds and different, you know factory stuff

Yeah, for sure

Hell yeah, yep

Like that

So I'm always if I see something it catches my eye and I go I think I could apply that for something else

Try to do my best to have little notes

But sometimes there's too much rattle and around in here and then it'll be later and you'd be like, what was that?

mm-hmm

Yeah, even when I chop when I reach out my car they I had

a lot of side profile

Uh shots of cars. I really liked the how the roof laid

And then when I started really deep diving into where the roof the basically the

Where the drip rail stops the back of the chop

To the car people almost straight down is where the front wheel starts on all the cars. I liked so that's automatically

Okay, that's hot. That's where my

Drip rail's gonna stop and then integrating this 38 buick back window

It almost laid itself out after that like everything else was

As soon as I figured out where that line needed to be

That means my roof had to be pitched to that and then all my answer is forward, you know, it all it all came from that

so as soon as you figure out like

You need to look back to stand back and like a literally study what you're like this car was chopped and I drove it for

Three or four years before recutting it up and making it into what I think is really cool

So, I mean I started it for a really long time. So

Uh, I had all I still have kind of different ideas that I want to do to it. I think hidden headlights like uh

Really like a gram or something a gram

Does it hold 40s gram or something to add hidden headlights? I can't remember

But it's like a hidden headlight doors

Basically, if you could style them have the opening styled like uh art deco headlight

But have the doors open and they have the headlights behind. I thought that'd be really cool

And then there's but then that I don't know it it looks like a 50s custom 50 late 50s early 60s custom right now

But I think once you start doing stuff like that it's going to start looking like uh

Della hey

almost like

You know, you're starting to leave almost the traditional custom

area, you know, and which I think is cool, but it's also

You take it to a car show and people are like they don't even know what it is

Like they already don't even know what it is

They think it's I people walk past my car at car shows and they're like my grandpa or my dad had one just like this

From my uncle had one just like this and I'm like, oh, yeah, what was it?

Oh, it was a Plymouth. I'm like, well, it's not a Plymouth like was it just shaped the same

Maybe it was just in the 40s

Like some of that stuff is

That's a little again local car show stuff

weird

Can't hate it too much because I you would hate to see a local car show has not happened

Because that's like that's some that's where I got

the

That's how I've, you know, kind of it's why I'm here local car shows. That's where I got brought up in it

So if a kid sees a badass car, that's the only reason why I would take a local car like this to a car show

Like my car is Mustang or anything like that because

Steve's kids got to see it. I you know, you got to get the youth involved. Otherwise. I'm not

It'd be nice to find somebody to hire eventually someday and there's not a lot of children around in

Marshfield, Wisconsin that like had any idea what a custom car even is there are some but there aren't many

Yeah

Somebody taught us

Agree and I think there is a certain extent of

Upping the

Like I think it would be worthwhile for me to almost have a class

And this is not sounding

I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but there's there's lessons to be taught to some of these local shops

No, I'm just just as far as like collision repair like

how to attack

A crunched door instead of you know, you can fix stuff, you know, it's it's all doable

but it's gonna just having

Having a class to where the basics and fundamentals of

form versus shape and things like that

How to where to attack

damage versus, you know, if you're just trying to

making something versus

Repairing something all that all that stuff. I think the very general things could up the level and knowledge of your local area

And it's not gonna hurt anybody like

We're all like I haven't we have enough stuff to do

You know, everybody can everybody can stand to learn more things and I thought about that for I think it'd be cool

to have maybe do this winter just have a

Not maybe just a weeknight or a couple a weeknight every other month or something like that where it's just

Bring a project or a problem and let's figure it out

Yeah, I mean it just be some of it is

You know, everybody's so starved for technicians right now that I think it might get weird a little bit, you know as far as like

Bringing it's it's almost cutthroat around here like really is I shouldn't say it almost is it is there's

Body shops calling other body shops for technicians like

Trying to get references and not phone numbers and it's fucking there's nobody around here to hire

So the people that are around they're trying to they're trying to scrap from your mom. It's really weird

now the there's

Chain body shops buying up some of the shops in the area too, which is kind of a fucked but

Yeah, I just was looking at uh

Smithy customs

Instagram another, you know another

larger shop looking for employees on instagram

Yeah, there's a lot of them

I think it is too. I think well, I mean

It's not you're not making the money that uh that a plumber electrician does, you know, I always equate it to that

I we are our um landlord is that does a construction so they're always hiring on

electricians and plumbers and stuff and man

Those guys get paid

It's crazy, but I mean to a certain extent. I don't want to plum. I don't want to wear houses. I'd want to do this shit

Ideally just get the bills on auto pay and I can eat anything I want to

Other than that, I think as long as you're having a good time

Right

Yeah, I'd like to have a house that's not like

25 feet from my neighbor's house. So I eventually want to get the hell out of

house we're in but I told myself

10 years in that we're gonna move and you know, we're gonna we're gonna be out of this place in 10 years and here

We are 15 years later

Yeah, right

What are you

Sure

All in time, I mean hopefully not too much time because they're really gonna cost a million dollars, but

It's like groceries

We're gonna do yeah, I just going out to eat and it's fucking crazy. What are you gonna do?

I lost car parts. I guess fuck

Don't do that. Yeah, I know

We're all in trouble dude

Yeah, but uh, I did find something interesting for building the shop

friend of mine does like

He's not really a mobile mechanic

He does a lot of stuff at his place

Through doing that he's met a lot of

One of the guys he does a lot of work for is a whole custom home builder

The guy also does a lot of pair downs and

Things like that. So it sounds like he might have

most of the materials to build me a shop out of recycled

So that could be you know, I mean steel siding steel siding if I gotta paint it

Big deal, right?

So depending on what he's got

Yeah

Yeah buildings buildings down there are different than buildings up here

I feel like they're they just are different. You can kind of get away with a

Whole pole building to a certain extent pretty much all year

There's like a little fake foil

It's

Yeah, it doesn't have to be immediately

All right from there man, I mean as soon as you have space it fills up with all kinds of I mean you're like

Get more rad shit fill it up

Nice

Definitely and I think the spray foam

Oh sure

Fuck yeah

Would it cost 30 or 40 grand probably something like that?

I think

You

Get it done just get it done dude

The bank sends me letters all the time. We just want to give you some money. Yeah, right?

I'm taking I'll take some

Yeah

The piggy bank

Nice

Oh, it's suspect are you doing are they just like quarter panel patches are they full quarters

The doors are sitting on it, but they're not aligned so I have to align the doors align the front panels

And

I don't think I've put a full quarter panel on on that kind of car

With all the panel alignments to start and then going back through

Oh, yeah for sure. Yeah to do two quarter panels you probably have 40 hours in one side

I mean

If you're doing it, right?

But you know by the time you it's depending on how they install because if it's a full quarter

Is it a full quarter skin or does that have that?

I don't know. I guess I don't really know what the new quarter looks like or where they attend

Sure

Okay

Like good market

Anytime you're doing quarters on a car that's it's a michigan car

Has been blasted and stuff

There's just so much mud in the car and

That's where I think a lot of these cars they're going to be

I think there's going to be a certain there's going to be a certain amount of cars

I get torn into in the future and are going to be thrown to the

Thrown to the wayside or sold at dirt cheap because they are literally junk

But there are going to be some that are like

Why are we saving this kind of like this musting the 69 musting behind me like to some to the right person

They'd be like, why are we doing this?

But if you're on a budget and you want to get through all of that metalwork you had that this is the way this is the route. Unfortunately

Thankfully we're to the end of that. I have the whole everything where I would weld it

So we're just holding off until next month's budget to get everything

Welded together. So that's going in the right direction. But yeah, it's still a lot like

There's a ton of cars out there that could probably keep people busy for the rest of their lives fixing

I'm actually it's so bad

I've been discussing with my

My kid is real big into supras

So I've been kind of

He'd said that he'd keep his eye out for like

Sure, you know like an automatic car with no target

You know somebody did some awful stuff to it

If it's that bad, I'll just build the tube chassis. It's whatever, you know

But uh

I was asking him yesterday. I was like, do you think we could get because I know japan's full of rusty

You know 90s yeah, we have 90s cars and

If you think an importer would import like a

You know rusty one

They don't

I don't need it to be all the time. I just need one time

Can you see the youtube series? I bought the worst supra ever imported to america

I'm sure there's bad ones

I don't think they fuck around with like shitty cars around there though

Like I don't think you can is it I thought I heard somewhere that it was

Maybe that wasn't maybe not japan

And

Where it's kind of like not illegal, but if your car's all fucked up they kind of

Don't let you just drive around let's junk all over the place

I mean that might be true, but I know japan's got a lot of yards

I'm working

Sorry

Sure

Cool car

With the right wheels oh man the thing would be dope

But it's a long ways away. I mean not for me physically, but

Yeah, I know I'd like to go look at it, but I think that's gonna be a bad idea for me

You know that goes

You're like, I need this thing right now

I feel like if one of us did go look at it

Yeah, the only I mean because it needs because of everything it needs man, I think you'd need

I mean you need to buy the car and you need to buy

Yeah, I was gonna say

I was gonna yeah, I shouldn't talk too much about it, but yeah

I mean yeah, you have to buy everything for it

So I mean you'd have 20 grand at least in it just in parts, you know

Just to be able to get like a direction going

Just to like hold the parts up into where they need to be and then okay, okay

This is where the chassis needs to be built. So I mean you'd have to have a lot

I bet you'd have to have 25 grand into it just to be able to get started

Nice

Okay

So they need to be

Boy that guy's gonna have a ton of money just in parts holy shit

But you know, I don't think it's like it's gotta be 300 grand at rates

He's got the brakes and the knockoff hubs and everything like that

but we

I mean, what is it? What is a Ferrari v12 cost? Fuck?

I mean just the engine and trans the transaxle by itself. Holy shit. I can't imagine and then getting that all the work

Falls that makes my head explode

I notice with youtube car builders either these guys like he's been into

Bigger the car builders get the more boring their videos get not saying like sure boring like as far as edit style

They're just like this is me making door bars today

They're not playing any of the youtube game, you know what I mean? Because you've got 414,000 subscribers. I saw yesterday when I was watching

Hey guys

Yeah, I don't know. What's that stuff on the thumbnail stuff gets like it almost gets

It's almost exhausting

Like looking at how much time like everybody like even you're you got you spent a ton of time on it too like it's just like

And if that's the determining factor like I don't I'm not in it that deep

Yeah

You got to hook them in the first 30 seconds

Oh, I know I I'd believe you no, I know it worked with you. It's you it's you in the videos

But like

Almost like playing a caricature of yourself

Sometimes

I don't mind doing any of that like but it's like the script writing and things not script writing but just kind of like

Build it like video it and then after I video

Then I have to put it all together in I got out or not just watch me do this

I do that with live streams

It'll be just me out there sometimes I'll be drilling something and this looks like the drill catches and I hit myself in the balls with the drill

It's pretty sweet, man

You know, that's the pressure that you put on yourself to

On that too, no at certain places

My work

I build new parts

Sometimes I'm welded 200 of these things and then I go wait a minute

It would be so much easier on me or it make this one corner weld look better if I did some

For sure

Think you're always gonna have that no matter where I mean in in any level you're always gonna have

Even if there is always gonna be somebody that you work with or somebody that's like

even

sometimes the

They don't put the amount of time in to learn the prep to learn the craft

Well enough to even get to the same level you are

So it's just like the level of involvement if you love what you do you're going to do it

At a higher level to me

I mean if you love what you do and you're trying to be better every day every day is going to be

You're trying to make everything better, but uh, what am I trying to get to here?

I've had this I've

I've had the same thing happen to where I've had bosses

Describe me as intense

Because like well, I mean if you're gonna make the car beautiful make it fucking beautiful like

You know like why are we here?

Why does the customer want the car here? He wants the best. So what does the best look like?

Well, make sure your game is at 100 and then when you're get thrown into

You know working with people that don't have the exact same mentality. It's always tough

you know

I've growing up, you know growing up in body shops and being a young guy doing

Doing the grunt work and stuff. You always looked at guys that were

A lot better than you and and then wondering why they left where they were

I mean sometimes it's um

And this is not bumping on anybody. So there's a lot of good employee good employees

employers around here

It's just a matter of if you're not doing exactly what you want to do

Sometimes you have to find the avenue to do it and that's kind of what I did is there was a

There are shops around here that did similar stuff, but they weren't

They didn't buy, you know

They didn't have the equipment to do the things that I wanted to do and how do you get to the level of

Being able to buy and utilize a pole max and a power hammer like you almost have to have the thing

It's like it's not a chicken or the egg. You almost have to have the tool and the

Are you gonna buy are you gonna take on a project that requires a power hammer?

Buy the power hammer learn it then apply the knowledge to the part, you know to the to the car

Um, it doesn't really work like that

Like ever I don't think

Sometimes it works like that in industry in industry, but not in the automotive field. It's almost you're not you're not gonna buy

$20,000 machine and then learn it for a job that just came in the door

I mean maybe for some people, but it's not a really good business model. Um, so

If you're

If that's what you want to do you budget for what you want to do in the machines you want to have and then

And then you know everything else kind of follows suit as long as you're advertising your work and showing your work

You know as good as you can showing it off as much as you can some of it is like

I don't think the customer should be paying to have something completely metal finished unless that's what they want

metal finished out to where it's like flat smooth like

You know like

Flat flat super titties metal finished out

That last one to two percent is like 90 percent of the time 99 percent of the time

So if a customer doesn't want it that far

It's cool to take it that far

But do that last one through two percent on your own dime take a picture of it and show what you can fucking do to

For people show what you can do for for even other shops or whatever that you the product you can do

so some of it is like

Yeah, the customer is paying for you to take it this far

And you can the customer paid you until that hour ended, you know or whatever

And now you're gonna make but this is me time and i'm gonna show off what I can do

Not necessarily saying, you know

So you're you're giving the customer a better product not necessarily saying you should be doing this on every job

Or it's a good business model period, but but if you want to get to the next level

You can't expect the customer to pay for it. I guess that's basically what i'm trying to get at

yeah, um

I kind of always stick to the motto with that like under promise and over deliver

Like just try to be like modesty for real. I mean for real. Let let your work show quality of what you're doing

and then just try to over deliver anywhere

Hopefully you can step things up and then you can prove that you're worth more and then you know me

Climb the ladder

Oh, it's it's the hardest thing to do because it's all investment all it is is investment

It's investment in time

It's investment in your craft and it's it's the long game. This is like it's like the longest game

I've ever played in my life because you're I'm I'm building a car

that's

With design changes is taking way longer than I I would anticipate any card to be built. Um, but

I'm doing the best I can in the highest level sheet metal work

I've ever done and all that gets you know covered up with primer and paint and stuff

So some of it's like uh, I want to show it off now and show off what I can do because anybody can just like

You know mud up a car. There's a bunch of mudmasters in this town

You know, they'll just mud it up and well, it looks great, right? Yeah

And then you bring it back to me in 10 years when it's failing, you know wonder why and why why it's failing

But I don't know

To me, it's just you're always

Always upping your game. I mean to the ring brothers in wisconsin have always been

always been even since I got into this they've always been a like a high mark as far as

People having a customer that allows you to take a car to the next level

And this car wouldn't be where it's at without inspiration from the ring brothers to be really honest. There's like not a lot of

It's hard to look up

The baddest ass mustangs in the like in the entire world

And have not have a ring brother's name and be involved like really

The first one that I've seen where they have a that where they attach the bumper where they do

They're like they're uh, they're carbon aftermarket ones with uh that they sell online

They're for their wide body kit or wide body car that they sell

But that's where they attach they look really badass. They've also done cars before that they've uh that they've

Bumpers attached there. They also did a 60. I can't remember if it was a 60

Is a convertible red convertible

but they also did one on a chassis that they extended the rockers similarly to this but it was like almost the

Factory reimagining of burning it. Well, this is almost like exactly factory, but they just brought it lower

So this is like

I would consider like mildly custom and making it more integrated to the body. So it's

There's a lot of like if the ring brothers walked around and you're like

Stole that for me stole that for me to me. That's where that's the way I feel like I've I've borrowed some aesthetics from them

granted some of them are like the

Some of the how the front bumper is designed and stuff is

kind of my idea, but um, yeah

I don't think you can I don't think you can build a car anymore without somebody walking around to being

Somebody being having their toes being stepped on, you know, even even the shops that I've worked at there's

Things I've borrowed from every place I've worked at

You have to otherwise you're not getting better

I mean, you really think that the ring brothers didn't draw inspiration from somebody when they started, you know what I mean?

That's just

I've heard them say before like they can't they made stuff out of carbon because they didn't know how to make it out of sheet metal

Like that's literally the reason like well, we made it out of carbon

We had to made out of carbon fiber because we could farm it out to this guy and he could make it for us

I'm not necessarily saying they farmed all that stuff out, but um

But yeah, they they would just make stuff that they have a guy in house now that does some fantastic fat work

I mean like sheet metal work does fucking crazy awesome stuff. It's that bald guy with the big beard. I don't ever see him

He's driving around that that car. They're taking the steam on taking videos out of yesterday fucking

I'm all jelly. I'm all butthurt. I want to go so bad. I've never gone

Everybody lined up for your not at SEMA party

No, I should probably I think during the week would be kind of fun because it is during the week like a wednesday night

Have like a

Have something here, but I don't know. I don't know who'd show up. They're probably just me me my wife texted me

What's going on and I'm just like I'm just here by myself

Uh, yeah

And then you'll feel like you got a group, you know

Yeah, yep

A bunch of eyeballs staring at me waiting for me. Can we go home now?

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I'm gonna call them down later. They're gonna come and film me

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I think you need to do a video with that car and just walk around and show like

No, I should definitely maybe I'll do that after after this it shouldn't take too long to get around it

And then just editing it later and should

Got literally a

Years worth of video together. I did that 10 month video a short the other day. Sure

So my phone's got a years worth of truck building videos in it

Yeah

Well, I got a couple of them

The one that I think is gonna get a lot of views and then I'm gonna do the one that's like

Yeah, yeah, I think if I have I probably need it if I have a

If I do a video of like tammy holding the camera, do you think I'm gonna need one of those little microphone things?

All right, I never sure

Oh, okay

Sure

We'll see. Maybe it'll just be me. Maybe it would just be me walking around it because I don't know

Sometimes it's nicer to get like the right angle

Yeah, right

Right

It's hilarious

Do you think it's cool? I do think the videography part is is really cool and really fun, but it's also exhausting

Like it's it's really exhausting like you can spend it

You can spend all of your time putting together cool videos and be like, I think we could tweak it a little bit here yet

Yeah, I always uh

Fucking done. Yeah

That's that's pretty much the approach I don't have of anything that gets frustrating

You put it down and pick it up the next day. It seems like

You don't even have to think about it in between time, you know, you usually do but

You know, sometimes it's just picking it up and like, oh, this is a lot easier than when I sat it down earlier

Exactly

I think that's why this Mustang's taking so long until like making sure that what I'm doing is like

Legit and cool like I like I think it's actually fucking cool

Like some of it it's

Yeah

For sure

I mean to a certain extent that's how it was started like it was just fucking

Like a pull out three quarters of an inch of mud in that motherfucker

I uh

Fuck you mud

Has that like the design of that evolved more and more as you go

Yeah, it definitely has because I mean even the quarter windows it was um, you know, they wanted the vents

Uh the stock vents and we talked about doing

The Hertz render car windows and seeing what they those were for sale and they weren't for sale

I'm like, well, I can make the it's just plexiglass and shit. I can make that and then it's like we started looking inside the

Because it was a coupe car

And they put this fastback roof on it that was kind of rusty

The opening set for that hole is like all routed out. So it's like do we repair it?

Both sides do we fix them and put them back factory or do we just make a cool custom window?

That's gonna have to be custom anyways. So it's like

Some of that is like are you this is this is a problem. This is a cool solution and this is a factory solution and it was always like

Do the cool part you do the cool one it was that was always the answer

So it's yeah, I mean it definitely has changed since we started digging into it

And then some of it is seeing

You know doing uh

You can have a design idea, but the you know

Reality is different. Yeah, sometimes you can fit you think you can fit some ducting in certain areas

And it doesn't just doesn't fucking work that way

I thought I was gonna be able to do like front brake conducting through the front bumper and shit like that

It turns out this way is way cooler. We're coming through the grille opening because it's already open

Um, and you're not creating two extra holes and why people and then people are gonna ask why the hell are there two extra holes in the front bumper?

but um

So some of that stuff has changed just out of necessity for of room and things like that

And you I think to a certain extent have to stay loose with especially when you're trying to package things together

I mean, it's not together until it's together and

That's when you start seeing cars that were like well, they just you know

You can see when sometimes that were they kind of

Where the design idea stopped

You know what I'm saying

You fucking eating cheese dude

You think you're from wisconsin or something

All the ways cheese, um, I don't think I've ever had a like a plan for a car that didn't evolve

I think they all have

I mean that's that's kind of where this that's kind of where this one was though it was you want to

You're spending the money on the car. It's

You either going to be spending money on the car making it factory again

And it's not a factory car

So if you're going to be spending the money are you like would you rather make it cooler?

Because it is a custom car and then to me that that's where the restraint you need restraint in certain areas

So there was almost going to be a scoop

behind the front

wheel

Like vent out

But it would be now looking at it, especially since uh the other day when I cut the the hood scoops

um, or the the the vents in the hood I cut them all the way open to where they need to be and

Now having that amount of area opened in the hood like

It's it it would have been too much to do that in the fender like way too much like even like standing back in every angle like

There's a lot of staring after hours that happens

You know because it needs it needs to look good here before it looks good somewhere else

So there's even because because it's on um because it's on those wheel dolly cart things. So I'll get a

Like a step that's that height and stand on that too. So you're not looking at the car

I mean, this isn't where the car is going to be sitting

So you need to be making sure that you're the eye

When you're standing next to it is that's the best version of the car it needs to be

It needs to look good in photographs and needs to look good to look good from side profile

And he's look good from 50 feet away yada yada yada, but if it doesn't look good when you're standing next to it

It's bullshit

I can only think of one

Yeah, I mean to a to a certain extent it's very

I think it's uh

modest on the outside to a certain extent

I think

Yeah

But I think that that will like

Don't mean it's not arrogant

But I think that's what's going to put it above a lot of other cars that are finished to this to the same like same amount of

I shouldn't say same amount of similar time, you know similar similar type builds

Sometimes they go to nuts and it looks like they went nuts

Like let's throw everything we got at this one and then they do then the next one

They'll do the exact same thing and it's like I don't know like

Yeah, cohesive restraint. I like that

Yeah, right should you

Right

For sure, I mean and you have to have some of it is

Huh

Like just because the bump front bumper is like got all these big ducts and stuff

Yeah, that's cool

But then like they don't do anything in the back of the car to match that, you know

You don't have saying like so the the back of this car they uh the 66 they wanted uh

The the rear bumpers gonna be painted they want it painted and kind of body worked into where it like fits good

but it's still

kind of factory-ish so

Not not factory-ish, but it appears to be shelby factory to a certain extent

Um, but everything's be welded on and smoothed out in a lot gap and and and tighter and nicer

Um, so from the back it's almost I'm I'm running out of idea. I'd like to have something in the

Rear valence that would look custom, but I'm running can't like literally aside from having air come out the bottom

Which doesn't fucking make sense to me. What do you do to the back of that car because exhaust doesn't come out?

So like it's almost just got to be smooth and tight and that's that's it, but um

But we did drop the quarter down in the back

To make sure that when you're looking at it from the side the rocker isn't too low

So then you want to make sure that from the side profile that your bumper is

Uh, you know, it comes down to a certain extent

To me on uh from the side profile if the bumper is almost the same

Usually they should be a little higher to me

It looks it looks like it flows a little better unless it's a car that's like sits on the ground flat to where

That bumper like if that's a whole different style car to me, you know

So if you're going factory-ish

Sometimes the bumper is tucked up a little bit

But when you use you bring the rockers down this far on a Mustang that bumper is way down in the front

So then you how do you make that flow?

That's a that was a hard trick. It was a lot of I made that front bumper the corner out of it

Out of wire basically made a wire buck and man

Did I remake that a bunch of different times just to get that to flow and

It almost the first couple times I laid laid it out and put paper over it

It looks like a fucking boat

Like it looks like the front of a boat like I was like no way this is not going to work

It looks like shit and then the more I tweaked it and tweaked it and tweaked it. It's uh

Came up pretty good. I think it looks fucking awesome, but I don't think I would have came up with that right away

Well, and some of it was you know, the the pro charger intercooler isn't that that big cooler in the center

So that almost to a certain extent you're integrating that to the to the to the design of the front bumper. So

That was kind of

Okay, that's that's where this there's a big opening. It's going right here

So and then it was just making the lines fought flow with the

It the the front bumper kind of flows with where

The an original front bumper would be but it's in tighter. It's up closer. It's up higher

It starts up higher

and then

Maybe I'll just I need to do youtube with all the different design dip changes with this thing

Yeah, I think I'm gonna pull out like even the old um old pot metal

Uh front headlight parts and stuff too because they have extra lines in them that I deleted when I made

The the sheet metal on the front bumper or the front the front end so there's a lot of different stuff that's

Like you say take it to a local car show and every what you're gonna be sitting there for an hour with one guy

And another guy's gonna be like

You know

Yeah, yeah, it's all a part of it, right?

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Sheet metal work takes center stage as the hosts share their experiences and challenges in automotive customization. From father-son burnout sessions to detailed discussions about suspension setups and the intricacies of metal finishing, the episode dives deep into the craftsmanship behind building custom vehicles. The conversation flows into the importance of design cohesion, the evolution of ideas during builds, and the balance between customer expectations and personal creativity. With anecdotes about local car shows and the automotive community, it highlights the passion and dedication that drives enthusiasts in their projects.

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In this episode, we dive into the craft and chaos of shaping sheet metal by hand. From English wheels to shrinker-stretchers, we talk about the tools, techniques, and mindset behind turning flat steel into functional art. Whether you’re restoring classics or fabricating from scratch, this episode is packed with tips, hard-learned lessons, and a few stories from the shop floor.

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