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Forming Sheet Metal | F_cking Cars Podcast Ep 11
Forming Sheet Metal | F_cking Cars Podcast Ep 11
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About this episode
Sheet metal work takes center stage as the hosts share their experiences and challenges in automotive customization. From father-son burnout sessions to detailed discussions about suspension setups and the intricacies of metal finishing, the episode dives deep into the craftsmanship behind building custom vehicles. The conversation flows into the importance of design cohesion, the evolution of ideas during builds, and the balance between customer expectations and personal creativity. With anecdotes about local car shows and the automotive community, it highlights the passion and dedication that drives enthusiasts in their projects.
Topics:
35s
Art Morrison chassis
body kit
control arms
corner weight
differential
Elanor style
fiberglass hood
flat hood
frequency
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Term
low horsepower
"low horsepower Toyota burnouts, but uh It was good time"
Low horsepower means the car doesn't have a lot of power, making it slower compared to more powerful cars.
Low horsepower refers to a vehicle's engine output being on the lower end of the performance spectrum, which can affect acceleration and overall driving dynamics.
Term
35s
"the 35s get real sticky as they heat up I bet they do"
'35s' means the tires are 35 inches tall. Bigger tires can change how the car drives and how fast it can go.
'35s' refers to 35-inch tires, which are larger than standard tires and can affect a vehicle's handling, acceleration, and gear ratios due to their size.
Term
sticky tires
"they get real sticky as they heat up I bet they do"
Sticky tires are made to grip the road better, helping the car not to slip when driving fast or turning.
Sticky tires are designed to provide better grip on the road, especially during acceleration and cornering, often due to their rubber composition and tread design.
Term
gear ratio
"it's really messing with the gear ratio of the the truck because you Basically making first gear a taller gear"
Gear ratio is how the engine's power is turned into movement. A taller gear means the car can go faster but might be slower to accelerate.
Gear ratio is the ratio of the number of teeth on two gears that are meshed together. It affects how power is transferred from the engine to the wheels, influencing acceleration and top speed.
Term
spring rate
"Because basically your spring rate is calculated off of..."
Spring rate is how stiff a spring is. It tells you how much the spring will compress when weight is applied, which impacts how the car handles and feels when driving.
Spring rate refers to the stiffness of a spring, measured in units of force per unit of deflection. It determines how much a spring compresses under a given load, affecting the vehicle's handling and ride quality.
Term
control arm
"your control arm's a lever you have a certain corner weight..."
A control arm is a part of the car's suspension that helps connect the body of the car to the wheels. It allows the wheels to move up and down while keeping them aligned properly.
A control arm is a crucial suspension component that connects the vehicle's chassis to the wheel assembly. It allows for controlled movement of the wheel while maintaining proper alignment and handling characteristics.
Term
corner weight
"you have a certain corner weight and then you have the ratio..."
Corner weight is how much weight is on each wheel of the car. Balancing this weight helps the car handle better when driving, especially during turns.
Corner weight refers to the distribution of weight on each wheel of a vehicle. Proper corner weight is essential for balanced handling and optimal performance, especially in racing and performance driving.
Term
frequency
"and then there's frequency things like that too..."
Frequency is how often a spring moves up and down when it is pushed and released. It affects how the car feels on the road, like how bumpy or smooth the ride is.
In the context of suspension, frequency refers to the rate at which a spring oscillates when compressed and released. It affects how the vehicle responds to bumps and road conditions, influencing ride comfort and handling.
Term
hertz
"how many how many hertz you want your spring to be..."
Hertz is a way to measure how often something happens in one second. In cars, it can describe how quickly a spring moves up and down, which affects the ride quality.
Hertz (Hz) is a unit of measurement for frequency, indicating the number of cycles per second. In automotive terms, it can refer to the frequency of suspension components, affecting how they respond to road conditions.
Term
suspension
"Suspensions one of those dark magic things too that there's just really not that many people into it that you can lean on. I mean the internet's a great thing. You can talk to a lot of people"
Suspension is the part of a car that helps it stay stable and comfortable while driving. It includes things like springs and shocks that help absorb bumps in the road.
Suspension refers to the system of springs, shock absorbers, and linkages that connects a vehicle to its wheels and allows relative motion between the two. It plays a crucial role in vehicle handling, ride comfort, and safety.
Part
springs
"Not to say that I'm just buy a bunch of different springs and see what works. I mean some of it's that too, you know"
Springs are parts of a car's suspension that help it ride smoothly over bumps. They can be different types and strengths, which change how the car handles.
Springs are crucial components in a vehicle's suspension system, helping to absorb shocks and maintain ride height. They come in various types and rates, affecting handling and comfort.
Part
differential
"So then I was looking at different differential options because if you want to bring your control arms in and have them, you know"
A differential is a part of a car that helps the wheels turn at different speeds, which is important when going around corners. It makes driving smoother and safer.
A differential is a mechanical component that allows wheels to rotate at different speeds, especially important during turns. It helps maintain traction and stability in a vehicle.
Car
Toyota Supra
"But um, yeah, I could if I wanted to really stay toyota you could get an older toyota supra"
The Toyota Supra is a fast sports car that many people love for its speed and looks. It's popular for racing and modifying to make it even faster.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car that has gained a cult following for its performance and tuning potential. It is known for its powerful engines and distinctive styling, making it a popular choice among car enthusiasts.
Part
quick disconnects
"Looking at a lot of these they got like quick disconnects for everything now quick disconnects for all like your main battery stuff power And like a lot of the plumbing now you can do power steering lines quick disconnect all your oil lines all sorts of really sweet stuff"
Quick disconnects are special connectors that let you easily attach and detach hoses or pipes. This makes it faster to work on cars because you don't need tools to take things apart.
Quick disconnects are fittings that allow for the rapid connection and disconnection of hoses or lines without the need for tools. They are commonly used in automotive applications for various fluid lines, making maintenance and repairs easier.
Term
turbo
"Like for turbos and all sorts of stuff Just a quick disconnect oil line"
A turbo is a part that helps the engine get more air, which lets it burn more fuel and go faster. It's often used to make cars more powerful.
A turbo, or turbocharger, is a device that forces more air into the engine's combustion chamber, allowing for more fuel to be burned and increasing engine power. This is a common performance upgrade in many vehicles.
Car
Ford Mustang
"...I never thought I'd actually like a Mustang that's much..."
The Mustang is a well-known sports car made by Ford. It's famous for its powerful engines and sporty looks, making it a favorite among car lovers.
The Ford Mustang is a classic American muscle car known for its performance and iconic design. It has a rich history and has been popular among car enthusiasts since its introduction in the 1960s.
Term
fiberglass hood
"...when the car came in had like the fiberglass shelving hood and with the big scoop on it and the..."
A fiberglass hood is a car part made from a lightweight material called fiberglass. It's used to make the car lighter and can be shaped in different ways for better performance.
A fiberglass hood is a lightweight alternative to traditional metal hoods, often used in performance and custom cars to reduce weight and improve handling. They can also be molded into unique shapes for better aerodynamics.
Term
Elanor style
"...they also had like the uh the elinor style bubbly side skirt things that had the exhaust coming off the side..."
The 'Eleanor' style is a look inspired by a famous car from a movie. It usually has special features that make it look more sporty and unique, especially on a Ford Mustang.
The 'Eleanor' style refers to a specific design of a Ford Mustang made famous by the movie 'Gone in 60 Seconds'. It features unique body modifications, including side skirts and distinctive styling elements that enhance its sporty appearance.
Part
flat hood
"and then um being able to do the flat hood with the pro charger that was kind of it took a lot of measuring and we're like"
A flat hood is simply a car hood that doesn't have any curves or bulges. It's often used to make the car look more aggressive or to help with engine cooling.
A flat hood refers to a car hood that has a flat surface, often used for aesthetic purposes or to accommodate performance modifications. This design can enhance airflow and cooling for engine components.
Car
Dodge Charger
"...en um being able to do the flat hood with the pro charger that was kind of it took a lot of measuring and w..."
The Dodge Charger is a big car that looks tough and can go really fast. It's popular because it has a lot of power and a cool design, making it a favorite among car enthusiasts.
The Dodge Charger is a full-size sedan known for its muscular styling and powerful engine options, including V8 variants. It has a rich history dating back to the 1960s and has become a symbol of American muscle cars, often discussed for its performance and design features.
Part
ProCharger
"and then um being able to do the flat hood with the pro charger that was kind of it took a lot of measuring and we're like"
ProCharger is a type of supercharger that helps engines produce more power by pushing in extra air. This makes the car faster and more powerful.
ProCharger is a brand of supercharger that uses a centrifugal design to increase engine power by forcing more air into the engine. This can significantly enhance performance, especially in modified vehicles.
Concept
sheet metal
"Getting all the front sheet metal done basically rebuilding everything in the front end of the car"
Sheet metal is just thin pieces of metal that are used to make parts of the car's body. They are shaped and put together to form the car's outer structure.
Sheet metal refers to thin, flat pieces of metal that are used in the construction of various car parts, including the body panels. It is often shaped and welded to create the car's structure.
Term
body kit
"...you know like a body kit kind of stuff. To me, I've always thought that these cars had pretty awesome lines..."
A body kit is a set of parts you can add to a car to change how it looks. It can make the car look sportier or more aggressive by adding new pieces like bumpers and side skirts.
A body kit is a collection of exterior modifications designed to enhance a car's appearance and aerodynamics. These kits can include new bumpers, side skirts, spoilers, and more, allowing for a personalized look and potentially improved performance.
Concept
Art Morrison chassis
"I mean, it's obviously on an art morrison chassis with a coyote. So I mean he's already got a bunch of money into it."
An Art Morrison chassis is a special frame that helps make cars perform better, especially when customizing them. It's like giving a car a strong and modern base to build on.
An Art Morrison chassis is a high-performance aftermarket chassis designed for custom builds, often used in hot rods and classic cars. It provides a modern foundation for improved handling and performance compared to stock frames.
Car
Chevrolet C5
"C5 with a pro charger on it for sale. I was like, oh god damn that thing looks cool, too"
The Chevrolet C5 Corvette is a sports car that was made between 1997 and 2004. It's known for being fast and has a cool design that many people like.
The Chevrolet C5 Corvette is the fifth generation of the Corvette sports car, produced from 1997 to 2004. It features a sleek design and is known for its performance and handling.
Car
Mazda Rx7
"...awesome. They look really cool They remind me of rx7 a little bit if you could change the back bumper,..."
The Mazda RX-7 is a small sports car that is known for being really fun to drive. It has a special kind of engine that makes it different from most cars, and many people love its stylish look.
The Mazda RX-7 is a lightweight sports car that gained fame for its unique rotary engine, which provides a high power-to-weight ratio and a distinct driving experience. Produced from 1978 to 2002, it is celebrated for its handling and has a strong following among car enthusiasts.
Car
Ferrari V12
"I mean, what is it? What is a Ferrari v12 cost? Fuck? I mean just the engine and trans the transaxle by itself. Holy shit."
The Ferrari V12 is a powerful engine used in Ferrari cars. It's known for being very fast and making a unique sound, which makes it popular among car enthusiasts.
The Ferrari V12 refers to a series of high-performance engines produced by Ferrari, known for their power and distinctive sound. These engines are often found in some of Ferrari's most iconic models, delivering exceptional performance.
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You know like flat flat super titties metal finished out
That last one to two percent is like 90% of the time 99% of the time. So
Hey
Yesterday my kid and I were
Goofing off and I was kind of like you want to go do some burnouts and take some videos
Nice, he's like, uh, yeah, I think we need to do that. So then I
Walked in to where my where my wife was and I said we're gonna go do burnouts down some empty cul-de-sac
She said okay, so we just had it
Hey hopped in the bed of the truck we grabbed a tripod and
Went and did a couple attempted
low horsepower Toyota burnouts, but uh
It was good time
It did the the 35s get real sticky as they heat up
I bet they do
They already have big old lugs on them and then
right you you got to think it's really messing with the
gear ratio of the the truck because you
Basically making first gear a taller gear by having those 35s on there and then it as they get sticky fast
It starts to grip more than smoke, but it was still fun
I got the rubber all over your new paint job. No, I didn't it wasn't kicking it out all over the place. I
Would have just left it if it did though
That was always my favorite things in like hot rod magazine where there'd be like the really cool car
And then the quarter panels just caked in rubber
Yeah, right
But oh, yeah
It's good to go do burnouts with your kid and then tell him like quick grab the tripod get in the truck
And then we leave before we go
Also, you can't do this. It's illegal
Yeah
To be 13 again
Oh my god, but I always told my old man to do burnouts and it's too hard on shit can't do burnouts. It's too hard
Well, when you fix your own stuff, it'll be kind of like that
Yeah, true
My friend's
Two or three year old son. I think he's three. He uh
Yeah, he's three. It's just about to turn four. Maybe thank you
He always says dad do your burnout and then when he does a burnout and is like Tacoma or his Datsun or whatever he goes
That wasn't very good
But
I
Got rid of my burnout machine that that square body that thing was fun. Was it good for burn out?
All right, you can you just burn tires just not even trying it's it just had some skinny tires on it
Yeah, I mean they look good. They're still pretty skinny. Yeah. I mean you go over
A white line or they go across the road and it's just like
You end up tripping the tires going over them if you're accelerating even a little bit. Yeah
That's yeah, anyway
I wish I still had something to drive
but it's all it's sweater season now so
Build season as they call it in wisconsin
Build season that's a nice way to wrap up something crappy. What's a nice nice term?
Not you in a sweater. I mean I mean cold weather is something crappy
Yeah
Oh, it's gross out
Really gross out
Not but you probably but
I had to wear the hoodie a couple days because it was uh getting down into the 50s
In the morning
I know nice
We got all the windows and stuff open on the house. So it's nice to save a little on air conditioning here in there
Yeah, I bet that bill gets a lot in the summertime. Fuck
It's on yeah, you got to think on it more on a day-to-day basis
So you go well today it only cost me 13 dollars to keep the house cool because that doesn't sound too bad if you're like comparing it to sandwiches
Sandwich a day for comfort. You know what I mean, but if you go my bills my bills through almost 400 dollars
That doesn't sound that good
so
Sandwiches I like that everything's
I can't
Oh, yeah, I see anything done on your truck this last week at all in the last couple weeks
I have been taking it. Uh, just kind of driving it waiting for my most recent springs to come
Um, oh, yeah, that's right. Just want me to get some new stuff coming
Yeah, I think I went over this but uh, I found where I was going wrong in the math. Um
Because basically your spring rate is calculated off of
Uh, your your control arm's a lever you have a certain corner weight and then you have the ratio that the shock moves versus to the
um
The wheel and then um, you base that your spring rate off of how much weight it's carrying and then there's frequency things like that too
um, like
how many how many hurts you want your spring to be
Per the weight because for the different kinds of riding you're doing but
I found that I was doing something really simple like the kind of thing that gets you in trouble in math class
where you go
If you if you need something to I needed to multiply
my motion ratio by
Because it's holding more weight because it's farther in on the lever than the than the wheel
But since it's a decimal I was multiplying by a decimal less than one
So i'm not actually getting my multiple you actually I need to divide the decimal to get the multiple of what it's a mess but uh
One yeah one little math mistake, but I'm really uh, I'm glad it was me messing up because that restores my faith in
Setting up the next one. So I can you want to do that again though
No, that's why I always tell everybody the only reason I'm good at anything is a lot of mistakes
Yeah, I mean that's how anybody's got anywhere. I mean rarely is anybody just walked into
any profession and then like
Got it all figured out first day. I mean don't tell you they do but
Yeah
Suspensions one of those dark magic things too that there's just really not that many people into it that you can lean on
I mean the internet's a great thing. You can talk to a lot of people
But even still on the internet how many guys are building
home-built long travels and then the
Even like when I talked to he just goes. Oh, I just talked to the shock company. You know what I mean, so
Most of the people aren't
Diving quite as deep as I am
Not to say that I'm just buy a bunch of different springs and see what works. I mean some of it's that too, you know
Yeah, or if you keep your stuff even if you extend it out you kind of try to keep the ratios the same
You can run pretty close to stock weight springs, but
That's all right. I'm just filled in the data bank up with more information. So
I
Think uh, yeah, I've been looking a lot at the frame that we have for the next truck we're building for my son and
Looking at mono placement because I want to do a center mount
Long travel on the front of that. So then I was looking at different differential options
Because if you want to bring your control arms in and have them, you know
Six inches apart four inches apart from each other at the mounting so you can have a nice long arm
Have a big smooth motion
Um, you need to actually center mount your different your front differential whereas most
That sounds a lot of a lot of problems
it does um
Can you get something like junkyard that would work for?
So like not super expensive then what I was looking at is a lot of people are taking like a
An independent rear suspension
differential
Oh, sure and putting it in the front
So you obviously have to have clearance for your oil if you drive your shaft
But um, yeah, I could if I wanted to really stay toyota you could get an older toyota supra
Rear differential and you mount it in the middle and then you base your bulkheads and your suspension mounting off of that
You know, are you gonna get that nuts though? I don't think I get that nuts
I mean this kid's gonna roll it over a rock anyway, right?
We don't have rocks in florida
Do you have any rocks come on man? There's got to be rocks. There's not rocks
there's uh
They have coquina just to swap
Yeah, they they have a rock called coquina here. It's basically ancient limestone from coral reefs back when florida was underwater
It's like the old reef, but they're just like these big awkward white sharp pointy rocks, but
As far as I guess I find
Orlando's not really
I
Never hit a rock, but no
Who would have thought
Well, I just got done uh on the last couple days welding on uh model era if I did like
Is it four feet four twelve feet?
It's got to be like 12 to 15 feet of butt welding to uh, take butt welding
She melted together to get that rough welded together. It was a bunch of shit. Yeah
There's a lot
But hammering it all out on the power hammer makes that stuff so fast like usually it's trying to finish it out
Uh, even with planching hammer takes a lot longer
Like buttery smooth with the power hammer. It's so fucking cool
Equipment makes life easier
Yeah, yeah, it's a lot of fun
I mean being able to actually use it and be efficient and be like wow, I just bang that up super fast
And uh, that's it makes it worth it, but then it's like man. I wish I could
If you could do that all day you could pay for the machine a little faster, you know, right?
But uh, I don't know someday
We'll get there
I don't think being a playing on the power hammer all day would be exactly that fun either sometimes
It's you know applying it to the car and you know, yeah making a functioning part at the same thing
We all need a little variety
for sure
Mm-hmm
Yes, yes getting all kinds of fomo seeing people
With their trailers loaded up to vegas for sima
oh man
Is sima this coming week?
Yeah, yep
Yeah, I've been watching a lot of you know, sima crunch build videos
Have you ever seen you know who's so metal shaping is in vegas? No
They have a party so they're right right in downtown not downtown vegas, but close
um, but they have uh, it's pretty they do some really nice awesome work, but um
They have a party every year and it's like
It's like the freaking it's like the who's who of you just it looks like the place. I want to be
Man is everybody's there like anybody that's anybody seems like they're there and their roaster shop party looks pretty awesome
But you got to have tickets go to that
It sounds like it sold out before it even like kind of really took off for sale, which kind of sucks, but
Yeah, man, I want to go real bad real bad
Next year next year maybe
That's yeah, I mean I definitely want to go
I mean I want to go with or without a car
But I think next year the the plan is to have that car ready to take there
Whether or not we have somebody lined up to have a booth or anything like that
But we want to have that direction with that car. So
I definitely think it's doable because now we're just down to getting some of the last pieces of sheet metal welded on it
um
and then
just basically get all the
under dash components put in
um
And just get it a driver plumb it and wire it so I mean it's not
That's definitely not the easy part, but to a certain extent some of it's going to be out of my hand
So I'll be helping you know in other areas. I mean just to you know
Introducing some somebody that's smarter than me when it comes to wiring and plumbing and all that bullshit
Makes things go a lot faster and
Not excited for that part
Just because like working with somebody to make something cool is up is also fun
Getting somebody else's ideas as far as mechanically making sure you get your hands in there all that good stuff
Yeah, I like anytime I get to work with other and you know scaled people because you can pick up a lot of new things and
Bend that you're building something even if you're not wiring it you can plan ahead for
You know how you might wire it or plummet later so that it helps helps with everything for the future
Yeah, I mean even just dealing with some of the collision stuff I've done in the past
I think that helps a lot with that just as far as like how you like uh
Can disassemble something and put it back together because on these cars you got to do it
How many times you got to be able to do it after you're painted so
You're gonna be able to fit the part in the area without scratching the stuff isn't you know, that's the first goal
You don't have any scratching the shit putting it in for for the first install. It sounds stupid
right I've been uh
Looking at a lot of these they got like quick disconnects for everything now quick disconnects for all like your main battery stuff power
And like a lot of the plumbing now you can do power steering lines quick disconnect all your oil lines all sorts of really sweet stuff
I've never seen it before
Like for turbos and all sorts of stuff
Just a quick disconnect oil line
Can't last
you know
For how much is rattling around heating up cooling down
You know just thinking your airlines in the shop you can have something connected for a long time and it's still gonna end up weak
I do think that these probably uh
Cost a little bit more than uh airline fitting though. They probably have a little bit more
Qc that's possible
I buy all the you know the high flow junk here. So everything's like all my tools have the high flow couplers on
Some people in the shops I've worked in some people are just like
What a waste of money
Well, like I don't know man all your shit runs better
Makes sense to me
Yep. Yeah, you're paying
Yeah, I mean you're paying to compress the air you might as well pay a little bit to have better flow
To get to your air tool as well. So I mean it's all like
Everything you should be doing has some efficiency. Well
Especially if your paint guns have it anyways, that's where all I just took them all from the paint gun stuff, you know
right
Yeah, I've definitely been in a lot of shops where they only do harbor freight air fittings because they don't see the sense
in spending money for their
So stupid
So stupid
And then they'll put the uh the orange
the orange, uh
contaminant
Three of them on the end of their guns and shit. Oh my god. This looks hilarious
Or they'll buy like 10 of them and put them in a row before their hose. I've seen that too
Some of the home guys. Oh my god
Just buy a harbor freight air dryer
They all that stuff's coming down in price quite a bit
You can get a harbor freight air dryer for less than 700 bucks, right?
I mean that's pretty and it works. I have one
Yeah, we use one for our powder coat setup
that might work
Yeah, this is
Works surprisingly well. I say that I better find some wood to knock on the fucker. It'll be junk next week
Yeah, we uh, we also did uh, we ordered uh
a Chinese
Rotary vane or whatever screw compressor and with its own dryer built in and all that
It's like half the price of buying a
Ingersoll that's made in china and uh, I put that in and plumbed it all in it for my shop when we hooked the cnc up and
Amazing how
I mean, it's the they're like a same price because it seems like all the big names that you buy here american
Uh brands. They're all just chinese parts anyways, so
I totally agree. Yeah
It's very rarely that made in united states
They have cool names over there, too. They're I think we got like an air horse and there was like air bear and like
Flow shark install sorts of cool stuff
Fuck flow shark
Sounds tits
Hell yeah, oh, yeah
I see you got us lined up here. So we get to see your uh, your belt line on the 66
Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna need to do a little video on that. I've had talked about it last time. I still haven't done it yet, but
uh
Yeah, I'm getting every time I'll work on that car
And now I just get more and more excited about getting it done because I can see it's like
Once you start putting it together and really seeing the the the hood through
Uh from the backside of the radiator to the hood through stuff. I don't have that completely done
But I'm getting a little more lined up now to how I like
Uh where I like how the hood flows into it into the scoop itself and actually it looks like it
It's just continuation of the hood
it's just and
I never thought I'd actually like a Mustang that's much
I really do dig it
Yeah, there's definitely uh
More maturity to the build that you've got there versus
I saw you posted pictures of when the car came in had like the fiberglass shelving hood and with the big scoop on it and the
You know fiberglass air dam on the front. Yep
Yeah, they also had like the uh
Uh the elinor style
Bubbly side skirt things that had the exhaust coming off the side
Just because they had an art morse and chassis with exhaust off the side
So that was what they wanted to use and man, none of it was straight like
You know how those cheap kits were bar, you know
So if anybody wants a cheap fiberglass kit that came off this car it comes with the back
um
The taillights that are the similar like the 67 shelby style taillights in it and stuff
But yeah, you just basically replicated
similarly what they had there
um
As far as the quarter extensions the deck lid
um
the front end was
Kind of an evolution the customer wanted a flat hood. He didn't really dig the big scoop in it
and then um being able to do the flat hood with the pro charger that was kind of it took a lot of measuring and we're like
I think it's like half inch away from the
Ex-outside skin of the hood. So I mean we're good, but it's close and then um
I've always wanted to do some reliefs in the hood of a
Of a car any car kind of like I did in this thing
It just kind of fit the how the whole thing was working
after have after doing the front bumper and then getting the
Getting all the front sheet metal done basically rebuilding everything in the front end of the car
uh
just the whole
Like standing back and looking at it now it's still
I'm as impressive to me as when I kind of the vision I had so I feel like I'm really onto something
As far as like how cool I think the car is way cooler just the visual from the side
I'm not having those squatty ass rockers and stuff. I just
Fucking like it a lot
It's definitely more full figured where you have the the rocker and the offenders come down a little bit farther and
With the shape of the car instead of just hitting the bottom of the door and going
right
Or having a yeah like a big bubble at the bottom like making it look like
more than what it is, you know like a
body kit kind of stuff
To me, I've always thought that these cars had pretty awesome lines
You know working at the shops that the shot that we worked at you know doing high-end
Mustangs for five years
You see like ah, man
It'd be cooler if this was just this line was just down a little farther
You stare at them so long because you're literally staring at Mustangs every day at least eight hours a day for
you know five years and
So you get to kind of see like I would have done this and I would have done that but
Where do you ever have time to or like an opportunity to
Put those into vision, you know or into reality and uh, I don't know just thankful that I definitely have the customer that's just like
make it cool
Yeah, and I think that having this one customer and doing it and then once you get the car to the you know to the finish line
I think that'll show other people that they can trust you, you know through and through
Yeah, that's get the car done. It's definitely gonna be we're gonna try and take it on
Take it to a bunch of shows just because how else do you get it out in front of people besides like youtube and stuff?
but you can't I mean
Some of the stuff on youtube is cool, but then you start looking at looking digging into
Like I don't want to shit on anybody
That rufian mustang was all was all rattle can on the inside
He's like he kind of brags about it a little bit that under the hood and on the inside is all rattle can and stuff
It's like
So people are just it's the highest the high end stuff, but some of it's just rattle can and stuff, you know, so it's
Yeah, so it's kind of like I don't know
It's it's everybody's got their own flavor and if you're in california rattle can is probably sufficient
It's not going to rust away
But I mean you have any sort of humidity and elements that like we do in wisconsin or anywhere in the midwest
The car has to be like a little nicer than rattle can quality to me
So being able to take a car to that level
Like they came in wanting this car this customer came in wanting a nice car
I mean, it's obviously on an art morrison chassis with a coyote
So I mean he's already got a bunch of money into it. So it's already, you know, it's already
Expected to a certain level and then once he's telling me that he wants all the stuff made out of sheet metal
That's a whole nother level of car to me
Just a whole nother level of customizing. I should say
It's not just bolting on a different bumper or fitting a different bumper that this and that actually made one
It made it attached completely custom. So like there's some really really rad shit to be able to show that off
You got to take it in front of people that want to pay for that kind of stuff, too
So I don't know you want to put in front of somebody that's going to be like
I want one that's cooler than this one
Game on let's do it. Yeah, that's that's definitely what you want to get going
Fuck yeah
Yeah, I mean, I'm not really I I'm just some of it is
You're doing it by yourself. So it's like man, is this the right idea, you know
But some of that's just having faith in uh in your uh in your vision and
Saying it mean even the front bumper if you put it next to a regular Mustang it kind of looks like
You almost have to delete what you think of a front end of a Mustang and then this looks good
But then if you put them next to each other, they look very different. It's not like you're you're you're deleting the idea of
Factory bumper and even the r-code bumper the one that came on the car
Is doesn't fit the car at all you look for the side as soon as you come off the fender the line
Comes like straight down and they make some better versions of them, but they still don't look good on the car
It was just a race car front bumper that they had at the time
You know, I don't think they spent it on a ton a ton of time
like
Making sure the design was that cool. It just needed to have some holes in it
To let air through and fog lights. Yeah, I think when shelby was doing it
They were building a you know or basically a race spec thing
They weren't trying to build a car to the level you're building they weren't building show cars
That was just like an option. It wouldn't be a letting but
The styling is the one thing where they're not gonna like you're not gonna totally revamp the front end and how a bumper attaches
You know, right? Yeah, when you're doing an OEM, you know dealership add-on or
Yeah, you're breaking a new car and doing it to it. You're not gonna hack it all up
I think it'd be cool to get to a level to where not necessarily saying you're doing uh
Kind of like this car or I mean we there we were replicating
I shouldn't say the whole thing is my vision
Because it's definitely not because I were replicating some of the stuff that was already there
So, I mean we replicated some of the stuff for that was already there
But then it was like, okay, let's let's make this
Since we did the back the spoiler and the taillights
Like let's make everything flow with some of the some of the cool ideas that were there
So we're just kind of going with it. Um
But being able to have it'd be cool to have a customer obviously that I think that
The quintessential awesome part of having a shop would be having customers come to you and be like
Just do your thing on it. I trust you like that would be the best, right? I think that um
The shops that do that they have some type of way to give a render though
Like a you know, whether that they're doing the
Or
There has to be otherwise nobody's going to put money down on a car and just be like
This is this is what you're going to get, you know, but uh
Yeah, I mean with AI. I think it's going to be easier to do renderings
And not have to have a ton of ton of people involved
Yeah, for sure. You know, you're an easier and easier, but um
Yeah
Yeah
What's your motor mounting situation you said you got a half an inch of clearance
So what is it poly mounts solid mounts?
It's I mean, it's got uh a poly
Mount but it's I mean, it's pretty much solid. It's not really going to go anywhere
I mean for how tight everything is it's pretty it's pretty much it's not solid, but it's pretty much solid
They ain't going to move
Really hardly at all at least I'm hoping I can't foresee it moving that much if it does it's going to be hitting a lot of shit because I mean
Everything is so tight with exhaust and everything, you know, it's it's everything's got to be pretty solid. So
Yeah, I mean
The
Engine and transmission is pretty much as far down as you would ever need to ever want to have it in that car
Even with the body the body extended down farther
Just with it even on the chassis with the oil pan and everything you definitely don't want to go any farther
We thought we could potentially get a whipple on top when we were trying to decide on
super charging systems and stuff like that, but
the
I've seen one where
Install on a coyote on this style car where they had a whipple on it and they actually just cut
Because the whipple out the new ones actually look really
Like aesthetically pleasing and they don't have like their name on top of it. It's just like, you know
Really nice cast piece. So they just cut a hole in it made it look like a shaker
It's really really cool. But it's I mean, you're also just cutting the foam to it at the same time, you know
But we he didn't really want to do that and I didn't I didn't think that that was very cool either
So I always thought pro charger stuff was really neat and even just
Was bolt-on?
Superchargers pretty red
Yes, you know see what is it?
C5 with a pro charger on it for sale. I was like, oh god damn that thing looks cool, too
Actually, I need some some sort of fast toy, man
I've always had a soft spot for c5s and I that might be uh, you know growing up in the 90s thing
You know, that was the new core new cover that body style that came out in my lifetime
I'd like kits those those look really awesome. They look really cool
They remind me of rx7 a little bit if you could change the back bumper, you know, it just needs a new back bumper
That's the only thing I really never really could bought them
I like it on the scoops
I could figure it out
Sheet metal back bumper on a five-glass car
Maybe you could almost make it, you know, I thought about making it out of
You don't want to make it out of sheet metal
and then
Or make a buck and do aluminum something like that, you know
Or you could make it out of sheet metal and then do a casting for out not casting but do like a mold for
fiberglass or even composite or something like that, you know, like
The carbon fiber something like that. I don't know that'd be cool
I don't know that carbon
To when you see it done on tv, I don't know
It seems like you just have to have the right chemicals and the right pump and bag and all that bullshit
To vacuum it all out. It didn't seem like it was really that overwhelming
It's pretty similar to fiberglass really. I mean you can lay it almost just like fiberglass
But to get it real thin and real lightweight. Yeah, they do the uh
vacuum resin setup
Yeah, it doesn't seem that bad. I think a guy could do it
Yeah, yeah, it'd be cool. It's like somebody just I mean, I think uh any sort of
You could redo even like designing. I always thought like being a kid designing
Body kits for cars have been like the coolest job
You know, because you just get to play with like clay and stuff and you get to fuck around and make this cool design and then
people just buy it like
The coolest cars had the coolest kits, you know
But uh
I spent a lot of time on andy's autosport.com back in the day. That was the body kit capital
Yeah, there's I mean you could buy a body kit for dammit or anything back in the day, you know sunbirds you could buy a body kit for a sunbird
Funny transition by the first car ever painted when I was 15 was a 99 cavalier
And we put a body kit from andy's autosport.com on it and um
I
My friend just like I lived an hour and a half or so away from him. He showed up with
The car and the body kit and we were just going to take a week
Of our summer break or whatever and put it on paint the car
and
We went to put the front bumper up to the car and it was like four inches wider than the car
Yeah
Like did you cut it all apart and read uh fiber fiber lice it all back together and shit
I I sectioned it right in the middle because it was just the grille was way too wide. I didn't understand how
In our uh in my auto body class, um
That we had for in uh technical college
There was it was just like
Imports and mini trucks was all it was
I think what did we call it mini truck and an import fucking
That's pretty funny
Classy
Yeah, right, uh, but yeah, it was like
A lot of import stuff getting body kits on it and
Man, you could tell the kids that paid up on their kits
Because there were there was one kid that had like a 99 or 2000 civic and he had a urethane body kit
He like paid like bought the the nicest kit there was right and man the dude bolted it right
He painted and bolted it on like it was fantastic
Then on the other side, there was this kid had uh, I think it was like a 93 hatchback
I think the 93s were the curvy ones when the first it started with the curvy curvy style
Is that 93 94 somewhere in there?
And uh, he had this big elaborate, you know
Like this big huge snorkely looking body kit for that was all fiberglass and
Dude, he spent the whole freaking set like semester just cutting it apart and getting it to fit
Like it's just
ridiculous
I think he put like one suicide door in it
so the doors are like
Open up
had the gold, you know like
It was just
It's one of those cars where it probably looked cool for a year and then you know the body work was so
It's just like when you're trying to shove all that stuff together
It just never lasts like none of those cars you're trying like body work the
bumpers into the fenders and they're just you know modern the stuff
So it's real durable
Yeah
Yeah, that was a fun class though
There's a lot of people like all the s10s in the that the mini trucks
Everybody shaved their tail lights and did different tail lights, you know
So everybody was kind of doing like similar stuff, but a little bit different putting their own flavor on it. It was pretty fun
Like one guy had super tail lights on his s10. That was pretty cool
They sold it you could buy a roll pan and there he had it in it
It was like the most expensive one you could buy and he was all proud of it and then
He had a this dude had a
His rear end was going out. So his truck would like vibrate, you know, and he took his tailgate off
and
So his truck hit the box sides vibrated and it freaking cracked the roll pan
Yeah
Dude to carry your truck, man
Yeah, yeah, I gotta start on my tube tailgate soon. I'm gonna build a
Oh, you're gonna build like a
Yeah, I'm gonna do an aluminum tube tailgate that kind of bubbles out and then my so my rear tire will be or my spare tire will be mounted to it
I'm gonna do it laying down
So but the profile the tire will be kind of bent out in the tailgate and then
So a big thing with like the pre runners
Do you want as much weight in the back as you can because it keeps you running level if you're sure
And then
I'm gonna make it so it swings out and the tire will swing with it and then under where the tire is I want to
Cut a hole in the bottom of my box and make like a trunk
kind of hidden
Sure, you know keep oil in and jack and whatever
But it's a bunch of wasted space if your tire is not down there
So I figure do a trunk set up there and then when the tailgates close you won't even see it really because the spare tire will cover the area
Nice
All part of the whole picture
Right
Or that's not even gonna be a usable truck when you're done
Congratulations, I think if I can hold off on the
Poor link in the rear set up
It'll still be a truck until I do that and then after that it'll be yeah, yeah
Not awesome. That's a full blown commitment there. You better just have a different truck lined up at that point
I think I'm gonna do I'm gonna get my front suspension done. I'm gonna get the
The rear taken care of with the tube tailgate. I want to take the the hitchhanks down because it used to be under the stock bumper
but the pre runner bed sides cut up at an angle for clearance in the back and then
I'm gonna do a just a bumper bar
Hitch that goes across the frame rails
So it'll be tucked up there. I can still throw a drop hitch in it and tow if I want to and then
Put some clevises and whatever on it and there'll be the big tube tailgate
So that'll kind of clean up the rear end and make it all one
I'm looking for there right one one blowing uh
I
My brain's not hitting words, but it'll make it all look like one continuous thing cohesive bro cohesive
Cohesive design is what it's all about
yeah
I was actually having a lot of
thoughts and discussion with a couple friends of that this week
Because I drove my truck a couple days
And I've got it sitting out and when you look at it
Obviously, it's five colors and
You know all that yeah suspensions red
But if you look at it
There isn't one thing
That is like, oh, that's the standout part of it and I was thinking about that because I I'm almost like
A little part of me like the teenage part of me is almost a little disappointed because you want to be like
Oh, that guy's got a wide trucker. Oh that guy's got this part and then I was the more I thought in depth of it
But when we were you know when you get into the building cars
It's like the part or the kit that you put on it is the highlight of the vehicle
That's right. Oh for sure
And then every new every new part is the new fancy part and you want to highlight that
I mean, that's kind of what products are to a certain extent, especially when you see them in a magazine
That's how they are
But when you're using that product in the right way, this is what you get
I mean, this is what you know, this is the idea is you don't want to necessarily highlight anything
Specifically like you go to a car show and you're like, oh, did you see the Corvette with those wheels?
Did you see the Corvette with that?
Right engine or did you see that car with the headers?
You know what I mean like it used to be that the part or for so much it seems like the part the volt on
Or the paint job is the standout
Thing about it, but because I've basically
gotten into
most of what is the truck
Nothing is the standout product it almost sure it's almost kidding into the territory of like factory race
style
Because it's wide and the tires stick out a little bit, but
they stick out like just the right amount and
The suspension is red and flaked out and you see it from the front
but
The same color is red and paint and like all the stuff
There isn't in there isn't one thing that somebody's gonna go and talk to somebody about with the truck
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah, no, I get it. So
I was thinking like oh, that's that's also it's also like
Not making gaudy choices as well. Like, you know, like
Fucking euro tail lights or like putting some other weird headlight in it, you know, that wouldn't even look right
Like it can be custom, but just because it's custom doesn't mean it's cool
Right. So then I was kind of like, well, I guess
I'm thinking of it as a bad thing, but it's not a bad thing because like if you know you were to park my truck in any pit anywhere
An off-road track or whatever you'd be like, oh, did you see that pre-runner and it's like it's just what it is now it's not
It's not the sum of its parts anymore
Right, right, right where most build or a stock a stock truck inspired by or something like that, right?
Right most builds are I got you know wheels and airbags and you know a hood or you know what I mean that it's not
You're just shitting on air ride
No
But you know what I mean like people buy a couple cases and then they'll have like oh, I just finished this build
and it's like
True and it's awesome, but it's like
your car is the sum of its parts
kind of
yeah
and I feel like for the first time
on my own vehicle I've stepped into
You know, maybe the next realm, you know where I've got the composition of a vehicle
Yeah, I think it just having the uh
I mean this
It's just having a vision and making sure you're staying with that in that direction because some of it is
You know having squirrel moments, you know, you're like ooh new shiny thing and I want to introduce that, you know sometimes there's
I mean even high-end customers
I think have a vision
And that they saw something they liked
Like if the customer wanted like wide body stuff on this car on this Mustang the 66 it would be
A vastly different looking car. It wouldn't even it wouldn't we wouldn't be doing the stock ish style rocker
You know, we wouldn't be doing anything like that because it would be a totally different flavor
But knowing what you you know, we were kind of when this car came to us. We were married to some of the
uh aesthetics that it kind of came to us with some idea in in mind
so
I mean making sure you're staying to that vision to a certain extent you need to like
Have follow through and and uh and maybe a good vision to begin with because sometimes I think having a good vision to begin with is uh
I mean you can tell that that you've been in the automotive field or had the flavor for a very long time with how
That truck is coming out. Like you said that there's a
There's something to be said about that, you know having the forethought of making sure it doesn't totally look like a turd in the end
I mean, there's people that they'll spend
Years chopping a car and it's still like what the fuck took a ticket out of the garage for 10 minutes and look at it, you know
yes
Like it's I feel like I've lost a little part of me for like the the hot wheels extreme
You know what I mean? Like there was this
You know what I mean? You it'll be like you when you're at a car show like I said, there'll be a line of cars and then
There's like one different thing about each one or maybe one has two things
and I feel like
um like this is the first set of new wheels I've ever bought and
I
Cell phone photoshopped using a couple different apps all the different wheel choices that I was looking at I didn't just go
I like this wheel. I'm gonna buy this wheel. I looked at a
six different wheels
I sent it to a bunch of choices to a bunch of people and disagreed with them
But I like I like to see why somebody was thinking one direction and
You like these options? Well, here's how you're wrong
Yeah, yeah, my friend right away. He's like, why did you ask?
But I wanted to know why they thought that but I photoshopped a bunch of wheels onto the truck and I was like, okay
This one is the one that's the most cohesive to hit hit Clinton's words for today and uh
So I bought these beadlock wheels and
They're really wicked and if I was to bolt them to my kid's truck, they would look insane
But you bolt them on my truck
They just looked like
Yeah, that that's the right wheel
Right. Yeah, well
Sometimes uh
I think a lot of wheels can be the right wheel that depends on the person though. I mean wheels are like
Brace my foot some shit, you know, I don't know. They're so like
Swap a minute out. You can have a badass ride swap the wheels and it even looks better, you know
Yeah, I've got there's definitely wheels that if the budget was there, I would have gone with a different
but um
right
It's just it's like uh, I bought
I bought my first new set of wheels and they don't even like when you look at the truck you never
I don't think anybody's gonna be like
sweet wheels
Because they don't they're not a standout item
Do you see where I'm where I'm going?
Uh
Yeah, I do. I do. Oh, I mean it would be honestly, it would be the same thing. I've I've heard uh
Troy from rad rides say the same thing on a podcast
That they'll take the chicane to a local car show
And or they have and it's done nothing. Nobody even cares about it
Like there was a at hub city days here in town a big car show that pulls like 500 600 cars normally
um, there was a
It was a stock Corvette, but it had you know ls and a stock
Body Corvette, but it had ls in it and it had a lot of cool aftermarket
electronic stuff on it and it was nice like super nice paint like really really fucking nice car, right?
And there's people he had to like I think the guy should add a fence around it
There's people like touching it all over it. They don't care
Nobody can they they're just looking at
I don't know
To me some of the local cars show stuff and you can't get too discouraged by
Somebody who wouldn't trade places with or take any advice from so
Some of it's a you know that
Yeah, I'm not discouraged by any means. It's just uh, it's it's a different feeling
No, I know I get it
No, I I definitely understand that because sometimes there's times where I'll have an idea and do something
uh
Or lay something out and I'll take photos of it
Usually I take photos of it if I'm and then like later on I'll like just stare at the photos because sometimes you can see stuff
In a photo that you don't necessarily see in real person or in real in real time. Sometimes photos show a little more
You're zooming in on stuff on angles and light lines and things like that
You can see a little bit more just because you're staring at one version of it a little longer
um
But then also sharing it with my wife because
She I think she has good taste automatically like automotive wise and has
Not necessarily saying I'm taking I'm wrote that she's gonna be the one
You know the definitive answer on just style design or whatever
um
But from almost a woman's perspective like does it does it
Look aesthetically pleasing. Does this look better than this?
Like does this angle look better than this like sometimes it just getting somebody else is
Almost art eye does that make sense? I don't know
When you're when you're like when you're not asking about the car
You're just asking about small design things that you like this better than this this angle better than this angle. I don't know
Or we're getting in the weeds aren't we?
Yeah, but I think that's where uh things
take another
You know, that's where you level up a little bit
Like your quarter window. Yeah, I mean, I think so too. I mean that's where it's like people
uh
I think the owner of jimmy johns just came out saying something like if you think the
Having a business and you can have a work-life balance like that's basically bullshit
Yeah, if you have a business it's all the time and and it is really I mean
I don't I knew that if I ever I was in a band previously to
Having my own shop and I always knew that if I were to ever pull the trigger on
Having my own shop that there's no way I could be in a band at the same time like it takes
It takes all of you
so once you start getting into this and I I love digging into automotive design stuff so um
You know, so once it's in my hands and in my lap for something. Absolutely love
It's takes over all the time like I'm constantly looking at different different
Different cars to get different design
Elements and ideas just even as far as like a turn signal now
Now we have to figure out a front turn signal in the Mustang so
I want to try and find some sort of led strip or
An existing turn signal that I can mount behind the grill like an existing Mustang
And possibly a late model something. I'm not really sure but we'll see
Yeah, I'm always looking for inspiration from different builds and different, you know factory stuff
Yeah, for sure
Hell yeah, yep
Like that
So I'm always if I see something it catches my eye and I go I think I could apply that for something else
Try to do my best to have little notes
But sometimes there's too much rattle and around in here and then it'll be later and you'd be like, what was that?
mm-hmm
Yeah, even when I chop when I reach out my car they I had
a lot of side profile
Uh shots of cars. I really liked the how the roof laid
And then when I started really deep diving into where the roof the basically the
Where the drip rail stops the back of the chop
To the car people almost straight down is where the front wheel starts on all the cars. I liked so that's automatically
Okay, that's hot. That's where my
Drip rail's gonna stop and then integrating this 38 buick back window
It almost laid itself out after that like everything else was
As soon as I figured out where that line needed to be
That means my roof had to be pitched to that and then all my answer is forward, you know, it all it all came from that
so as soon as you figure out like
You need to look back to stand back and like a literally study what you're like this car was chopped and I drove it for
Three or four years before recutting it up and making it into what I think is really cool
So, I mean I started it for a really long time. So
Uh, I had all I still have kind of different ideas that I want to do to it. I think hidden headlights like uh
Really like a gram or something a gram
Does it hold 40s gram or something to add hidden headlights? I can't remember
But it's like a hidden headlight doors
Basically, if you could style them have the opening styled like uh art deco headlight
But have the doors open and they have the headlights behind. I thought that'd be really cool
Um
And then there's but then that I don't know it it looks like a 50s custom 50 late 50s early 60s custom right now
But I think once you start doing stuff like that it's going to start looking like uh
Della hey
almost like
You know, you're starting to leave almost the traditional custom
area, you know, and which I think is cool, but it's also
You take it to a car show and people are like they don't even know what it is
Like they already don't even know what it is
They think it's I people walk past my car at car shows and they're like my grandpa or my dad had one just like this
From my uncle had one just like this and I'm like, oh, yeah, what was it?
Oh, it was a Plymouth. I'm like, well, it's not a Plymouth like was it just shaped the same
Maybe it was just in the 40s
Like some of that stuff is
That's a little again local car show stuff
weird
Can't hate it too much because I you would hate to see a local car show has not happened
Because that's like that's some that's where I got
the
That's how I've, you know, kind of it's why I'm here local car shows. That's where I got brought up in it
So if a kid sees a badass car, that's the only reason why I would take a local car like this to a car show
Like my car is Mustang or anything like that because
Steve's kids got to see it. I you know, you got to get the youth involved. Otherwise. I'm not
It'd be nice to find somebody to hire eventually someday and there's not a lot of children around in
Marshfield, Wisconsin that like had any idea what a custom car even is there are some but there aren't many
Yeah
Somebody taught us
I
Agree and I think there is a certain extent of
Upping the
Like I think it would be worthwhile for me to almost have a class
And this is not sounding
I'm not trying to sound arrogant, but there's there's lessons to be taught to some of these local shops
No, I'm just just as far as like collision repair like
how to attack
A crunched door instead of you know, you can fix stuff, you know, it's it's all doable
but it's gonna just having
Having a class to where the basics and fundamentals of
form versus shape and things like that
How to where to attack
damage versus, you know, if you're just trying to
making something versus
Repairing something all that all that stuff. I think the very general things could up the level and knowledge of your local area
And it's not gonna hurt anybody like
We're all like I haven't we have enough stuff to do
You know, everybody can everybody can stand to learn more things and I thought about that for I think it'd be cool
to have maybe do this winter just have a
Not maybe just a weeknight or a couple a weeknight every other month or something like that where it's just
Bring a project or a problem and let's figure it out
Yeah, I mean it just be some of it is
You know, everybody's so starved for technicians right now that I think it might get weird a little bit, you know as far as like
Bringing it's it's almost cutthroat around here like really is I shouldn't say it almost is it is there's
Body shops calling other body shops for technicians like
Trying to get references and not phone numbers and it's fucking there's nobody around here to hire
So the people that are around they're trying to they're trying to scrap from your mom. It's really weird
now the there's
Chain body shops buying up some of the shops in the area too, which is kind of a fucked but
Yeah, I just was looking at uh
Smithy customs
Instagram another, you know another
larger shop looking for employees on instagram
Yeah, there's a lot of them
I think it is too. I think well, I mean
It's not you're not making the money that uh that a plumber electrician does, you know, I always equate it to that
I we are our um landlord is that does a construction so they're always hiring on
electricians and plumbers and stuff and man
Those guys get paid
It's crazy, but I mean to a certain extent. I don't want to plum. I don't want to wear houses. I'd want to do this shit
Ideally just get the bills on auto pay and I can eat anything I want to
Other than that, I think as long as you're having a good time
Right
Yeah, I'd like to have a house that's not like
25 feet from my neighbor's house. So I eventually want to get the hell out of
house we're in but I told myself
10 years in that we're gonna move and you know, we're gonna we're gonna be out of this place in 10 years and here
We are 15 years later
Yeah, right
What are you
Sure
All in time, I mean hopefully not too much time because they're really gonna cost a million dollars, but
It's like groceries
We're gonna do yeah, I just going out to eat and it's fucking crazy. What are you gonna do?
I lost car parts. I guess fuck
Don't do that. Yeah, I know
We're all in trouble dude
Yeah, but uh, I did find something interesting for building the shop
friend of mine does like
He's not really a mobile mechanic
He does a lot of stuff at his place
Through doing that he's met a lot of
One of the guys he does a lot of work for is a whole custom home builder
The guy also does a lot of pair downs and
Things like that. So it sounds like he might have
most of the materials to build me a shop out of recycled
So that could be you know, I mean steel siding steel siding if I gotta paint it
Big deal, right?
So depending on what he's got
Yeah
Yeah buildings buildings down there are different than buildings up here
I feel like they're they just are different. You can kind of get away with a
Whole pole building to a certain extent pretty much all year
There's like a little fake foil
It's
Yeah, it doesn't have to be immediately
All right from there man, I mean as soon as you have space it fills up with all kinds of I mean you're like
Get more rad shit fill it up
So
Nice
Definitely and I think the spray foam
Oh sure
Fuck yeah
Would it cost 30 or 40 grand probably something like that?
I think
You
Get it done just get it done dude
The bank sends me letters all the time. We just want to give you some money. Yeah, right?
I'm taking I'll take some
Yeah
The piggy bank
Nice
Oh, it's suspect are you doing are they just like quarter panel patches are they full quarters
The doors are sitting on it, but they're not aligned so I have to align the doors align the front panels
And
I don't think I've put a full quarter panel on on that kind of car
With all the panel alignments to start and then going back through
Oh, yeah for sure. Yeah to do two quarter panels you probably have 40 hours in one side
I mean
If you're doing it, right?
But you know by the time you it's depending on how they install because if it's a full quarter
Is it a full quarter skin or does that have that?
I don't know. I guess I don't really know what the new quarter looks like or where they attend
Sure
Sure
Okay
Like good market
Anytime you're doing quarters on a car that's it's a michigan car
Has been blasted and stuff
There's just so much mud in the car and
That's where I think a lot of these cars they're going to be
I think there's going to be a certain there's going to be a certain amount of cars
I get torn into in the future and are going to be thrown to the
Thrown to the wayside or sold at dirt cheap because they are literally junk
But there are going to be some that are like
Why are we saving this kind of like this musting the 69 musting behind me like to some to the right person
They'd be like, why are we doing this?
But if you're on a budget and you want to get through all of that metalwork you had that this is the way this is the route. Unfortunately
Thankfully we're to the end of that. I have the whole everything where I would weld it
So we're just holding off until next month's budget to get everything
Welded together. So that's going in the right direction. But yeah, it's still a lot like
There's a ton of cars out there that could probably keep people busy for the rest of their lives fixing
I'm actually it's so bad
I've been discussing with my
My kid is real big into supras
So I've been kind of
He'd said that he'd keep his eye out for like
Sure, you know like an automatic car with no target
You know somebody did some awful stuff to it
If it's that bad, I'll just build the tube chassis. It's whatever, you know
But uh
I was asking him yesterday. I was like, do you think we could get because I know japan's full of rusty
You know 90s yeah, we have 90s cars and
If you think an importer would import like a
You know rusty one
They don't
I don't need it to be all the time. I just need one time
Can you see the youtube series? I bought the worst supra ever imported to america
I'm sure there's bad ones
I don't think they fuck around with like shitty cars around there though
Like I don't think you can is it I thought I heard somewhere that it was
Maybe that wasn't maybe not japan
And
Where it's kind of like not illegal, but if your car's all fucked up they kind of
Don't let you just drive around let's junk all over the place
I mean that might be true, but I know japan's got a lot of yards
I'm working
Sorry
Sure
Cool car
With the right wheels oh man the thing would be dope
But it's a long ways away. I mean not for me physically, but
Yeah, I know I'd like to go look at it, but I think that's gonna be a bad idea for me
You know that goes
You're like, I need this thing right now
I feel like if one of us did go look at it
Yeah, the only I mean because it needs because of everything it needs man, I think you'd need
I mean you need to buy the car and you need to buy
Uh
Yeah, I was gonna say
I was gonna yeah, I shouldn't talk too much about it, but yeah
I mean yeah, you have to buy everything for it
So I mean you'd have 20 grand at least in it just in parts, you know
Just to be able to get like a direction going
Just to like hold the parts up into where they need to be and then okay, okay
This is where the chassis needs to be built. So I mean you'd have to have a lot
I bet you'd have to have 25 grand into it just to be able to get started
Nice
Nice
Okay
So they need to be
Boy that guy's gonna have a ton of money just in parts holy shit
But you know, I don't think it's like it's gotta be 300 grand at rates
He's got the brakes and the knockoff hubs and everything like that
but we
I mean, what is it? What is a Ferrari v12 cost? Fuck?
I mean just the engine and trans the transaxle by itself. Holy shit. I can't imagine and then getting that all the work
Falls that makes my head explode
I notice with youtube car builders either these guys like he's been into
Bigger the car builders get the more boring their videos get not saying like sure boring like as far as edit style
They're just like this is me making door bars today
They're not playing any of the youtube game, you know what I mean? Because you've got 414,000 subscribers. I saw yesterday when I was watching
Hey guys
Yeah, I don't know. What's that stuff on the thumbnail stuff gets like it almost gets
It's almost exhausting
Like looking at how much time like everybody like even you're you got you spent a ton of time on it too like it's just like
And if that's the determining factor like I don't I'm not in it that deep
Yeah
You got to hook them in the first 30 seconds
Oh, I know I I'd believe you no, I know it worked with you. It's you it's you in the videos
But like
Almost like playing a caricature of yourself
Sometimes
I don't mind doing any of that like but it's like the script writing and things not script writing but just kind of like
Build it like video it and then after I video
Then I have to put it all together in I got out or not just watch me do this
I do that with live streams
It'll be just me out there sometimes I'll be drilling something and this looks like the drill catches and I hit myself in the balls with the drill
It's pretty sweet, man
You know, that's the pressure that you put on yourself to
Do
On that too, no at certain places
My work
I build new parts
Sometimes I'm welded 200 of these things and then I go wait a minute
It would be so much easier on me or it make this one corner weld look better if I did some
For sure
I
Think you're always gonna have that no matter where I mean in in any level you're always gonna have
Even if there is always gonna be somebody that you work with or somebody that's like
even
sometimes the
They don't put the amount of time in to learn the prep to learn the craft
Well enough to even get to the same level you are
So it's just like the level of involvement if you love what you do you're going to do it
At a higher level to me
I mean if you love what you do and you're trying to be better every day every day is going to be
You're trying to make everything better, but uh, what am I trying to get to here?
I've had this I've
I've had the same thing happen to where I've had bosses
Describe me as intense
Because like well, I mean if you're gonna make the car beautiful make it fucking beautiful like
You know like why are we here?
Why does the customer want the car here? He wants the best. So what does the best look like?
Well, make sure your game is at 100 and then when you're get thrown into
You know working with people that don't have the exact same mentality. It's always tough
you know
I've growing up, you know growing up in body shops and being a young guy doing
Doing the grunt work and stuff. You always looked at guys that were
A lot better than you and and then wondering why they left where they were
I mean sometimes it's um
And this is not bumping on anybody. So there's a lot of good employee good employees
employers around here
It's just a matter of if you're not doing exactly what you want to do
Sometimes you have to find the avenue to do it and that's kind of what I did is there was a
There are shops around here that did similar stuff, but they weren't
They didn't buy, you know
They didn't have the equipment to do the things that I wanted to do and how do you get to the level of
Being able to buy and utilize a pole max and a power hammer like you almost have to have the thing
It's like it's not a chicken or the egg. You almost have to have the tool and the
Are you gonna buy are you gonna take on a project that requires a power hammer?
Buy the power hammer learn it then apply the knowledge to the part, you know to the to the car
Um, it doesn't really work like that
Like ever I don't think
Sometimes it works like that in industry in industry, but not in the automotive field. It's almost you're not you're not gonna buy
$20,000 machine and then learn it for a job that just came in the door
I mean maybe for some people, but it's not a really good business model. Um, so
If you're
If that's what you want to do you budget for what you want to do in the machines you want to have and then
And then you know everything else kind of follows suit as long as you're advertising your work and showing your work
You know as good as you can showing it off as much as you can some of it is like
I don't think the customer should be paying to have something completely metal finished unless that's what they want
metal finished out to where it's like flat smooth like
You know like
Flat flat super titties metal finished out
That last one to two percent is like 90 percent of the time 99 percent of the time
So if a customer doesn't want it that far
It's cool to take it that far
But do that last one through two percent on your own dime take a picture of it and show what you can fucking do to
For people show what you can do for for even other shops or whatever that you the product you can do
so some of it is like
Yeah, the customer is paying for you to take it this far
And you can the customer paid you until that hour ended, you know or whatever
And now you're gonna make but this is me time and i'm gonna show off what I can do
Not necessarily saying, you know
So you're you're giving the customer a better product not necessarily saying you should be doing this on every job
Or it's a good business model period, but but if you want to get to the next level
You can't expect the customer to pay for it. I guess that's basically what i'm trying to get at
yeah, um
I kind of always stick to the motto with that like under promise and over deliver
Like just try to be like modesty for real. I mean for real. Let let your work show quality of what you're doing
and then just try to over deliver anywhere
Hopefully you can step things up and then you can prove that you're worth more and then you know me
Climb the ladder
Oh, it's it's the hardest thing to do because it's all investment all it is is investment
It's investment in time
It's investment in your craft and it's it's the long game. This is like it's like the longest game
I've ever played in my life because you're I'm I'm building a car
that's
With design changes is taking way longer than I I would anticipate any card to be built. Um, but
I'm doing the best I can in the highest level sheet metal work
I've ever done and all that gets you know covered up with primer and paint and stuff
So some of it's like uh, I want to show it off now and show off what I can do because anybody can just like
You know mud up a car. There's a bunch of mudmasters in this town
You know, they'll just mud it up and well, it looks great, right? Yeah
And then you bring it back to me in 10 years when it's failing, you know wonder why and why why it's failing
But I don't know
To me, it's just you're always
Always upping your game. I mean to the ring brothers in wisconsin have always been
always been even since I got into this they've always been a like a high mark as far as
People having a customer that allows you to take a car to the next level
And this car wouldn't be where it's at without inspiration from the ring brothers to be really honest. There's like not a lot of
It's hard to look up
The baddest ass mustangs in the like in the entire world
And have not have a ring brother's name and be involved like really
The first one that I've seen where they have a that where they attach the bumper where they do
They're like they're uh, they're carbon aftermarket ones with uh that they sell online
They're for their wide body kit or wide body car that they sell
But that's where they attach they look really badass. They've also done cars before that they've uh that they've
Bumpers attached there. They also did a 60. I can't remember if it was a 60
Is a convertible red convertible
but they also did one on a chassis that they extended the rockers similarly to this but it was like almost the
Factory reimagining of burning it. Well, this is almost like exactly factory, but they just brought it lower
So this is like
I would consider like mildly custom and making it more integrated to the body. So it's
There's a lot of like if the ring brothers walked around and you're like
Stole that for me stole that for me to me. That's where that's the way I feel like I've I've borrowed some aesthetics from them
granted some of them are like the
Some of the how the front bumper is designed and stuff is
kind of my idea, but um, yeah
I don't think you can I don't think you can build a car anymore without somebody walking around to being
Somebody being having their toes being stepped on, you know, even even the shops that I've worked at there's
Things I've borrowed from every place I've worked at
You have to otherwise you're not getting better
I mean, you really think that the ring brothers didn't draw inspiration from somebody when they started, you know what I mean?
That's just
I've heard them say before like they can't they made stuff out of carbon because they didn't know how to make it out of sheet metal
Like that's literally the reason like well, we made it out of carbon
We had to made out of carbon fiber because we could farm it out to this guy and he could make it for us
I'm not necessarily saying they farmed all that stuff out, but um
But yeah, they they would just make stuff that they have a guy in house now that does some fantastic fat work
I mean like sheet metal work does fucking crazy awesome stuff. It's that bald guy with the big beard. I don't ever see him
He's driving around that that car. They're taking the steam on taking videos out of yesterday fucking
Uh
I'm all jelly. I'm all butthurt. I want to go so bad. I've never gone
Everybody lined up for your not at SEMA party
No
No, I should probably I think during the week would be kind of fun because it is during the week like a wednesday night
Have like a
Have something here, but I don't know. I don't know who'd show up. They're probably just me me my wife texted me
What's going on and I'm just like I'm just here by myself
Uh, yeah
And then you'll feel like you got a group, you know
Yeah, yep
A bunch of eyeballs staring at me waiting for me. Can we go home now?
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I think you need to do a video with that car and just walk around and show like
No, I should definitely maybe I'll do that after after this it shouldn't take too long to get around it
And then just editing it later and should
Got literally a
Years worth of video together. I did that 10 month video a short the other day. Sure
So my phone's got a years worth of truck building videos in it
Yeah
Well, I got a couple of them
The one that I think is gonna get a lot of views and then I'm gonna do the one that's like
I
Yeah, yeah, I think if I have I probably need it if I have a
If I do a video of like tammy holding the camera, do you think I'm gonna need one of those little microphone things?
All right, I never sure
Oh, okay
Sure
We'll see. Maybe it'll just be me. Maybe it would just be me walking around it because I don't know
Sometimes it's nicer to get like the right angle
Yeah, right
Right
It's hilarious
Do you think it's cool? I do think the videography part is is really cool and really fun, but it's also exhausting
Like it's it's really exhausting like you can spend it
You can spend all of your time putting together cool videos and be like, I think we could tweak it a little bit here yet
Yeah, I always uh
Fucking done. Yeah
That's that's pretty much the approach I don't have of anything that gets frustrating
You put it down and pick it up the next day. It seems like
You don't even have to think about it in between time, you know, you usually do but
You know, sometimes it's just picking it up and like, oh, this is a lot easier than when I sat it down earlier
Exactly
I think that's why this Mustang's taking so long until like making sure that what I'm doing is like
Legit and cool like I like I think it's actually fucking cool
Like some of it it's
Yeah
For sure
I mean to a certain extent that's how it was started like it was just fucking
Like a pull out three quarters of an inch of mud in that motherfucker
I uh
Fuck you mud
Has that like the design of that evolved more and more as you go
Yeah, it definitely has because I mean even the quarter windows it was um, you know, they wanted the vents
Uh the stock vents and we talked about doing
The Hertz render car windows and seeing what they those were for sale and they weren't for sale
I'm like, well, I can make the it's just plexiglass and shit. I can make that and then it's like we started looking inside the
Because it was a coupe car
And they put this fastback roof on it that was kind of rusty
The opening set for that hole is like all routed out. So it's like do we repair it?
Both sides do we fix them and put them back factory or do we just make a cool custom window?
That's gonna have to be custom anyways. So it's like
Some of that is like are you this is this is a problem. This is a cool solution and this is a factory solution and it was always like
Do the cool part you do the cool one it was that was always the answer
So it's yeah, I mean it definitely has changed since we started digging into it
And then some of it is seeing
You know doing uh
You can have a design idea, but the you know
Reality is different. Yeah, sometimes you can fit you think you can fit some ducting in certain areas
And it doesn't just doesn't fucking work that way
I thought I was gonna be able to do like front brake conducting through the front bumper and shit like that
It turns out this way is way cooler. We're coming through the grille opening because it's already open
Um, and you're not creating two extra holes and why people and then people are gonna ask why the hell are there two extra holes in the front bumper?
but um
So some of that stuff has changed just out of necessity for of room and things like that
And you I think to a certain extent have to stay loose with especially when you're trying to package things together
I mean, it's not together until it's together and
That's when you start seeing cars that were like well, they just you know
You can see when sometimes that were they kind of
Where the design idea stopped
You know what I'm saying
You fucking eating cheese dude
You think you're from wisconsin or something
All the ways cheese, um, I don't think I've ever had a like a plan for a car that didn't evolve
I think they all have
I mean that's that's kind of where this that's kind of where this one was though it was you want to
You're spending the money on the car. It's
You either going to be spending money on the car making it factory again
And it's not a factory car
So if you're going to be spending the money are you like would you rather make it cooler?
Because it is a custom car and then to me that that's where the restraint you need restraint in certain areas
So there was almost going to be a scoop
behind the front
wheel
Like vent out
But it would be now looking at it, especially since uh the other day when I cut the the hood scoops
um, or the the the vents in the hood I cut them all the way open to where they need to be and
Now having that amount of area opened in the hood like
It's it it would have been too much to do that in the fender like way too much like even like standing back in every angle like
There's a lot of staring after hours that happens
You know because it needs it needs to look good here before it looks good somewhere else
So there's even because because it's on um because it's on those wheel dolly cart things. So I'll get a
Like a step that's that height and stand on that too. So you're not looking at the car
I mean, this isn't where the car is going to be sitting
So you need to be making sure that you're the eye
When you're standing next to it is that's the best version of the car it needs to be
It needs to look good in photographs and needs to look good to look good from side profile
And he's look good from 50 feet away yada yada yada, but if it doesn't look good when you're standing next to it
It's bullshit
I can only think of one
Oh
Yeah, I mean to a to a certain extent it's very
I think it's uh
modest on the outside to a certain extent
I think
Yeah
But I think that that will like
I
Don't mean it's not arrogant
But I think that's what's going to put it above a lot of other cars that are finished to this to the same like same amount of
I shouldn't say same amount of similar time, you know similar similar type builds
Sometimes they go to nuts and it looks like they went nuts
Like let's throw everything we got at this one and then they do then the next one
They'll do the exact same thing and it's like I don't know like
Yeah, cohesive restraint. I like that
Yeah, right should you
Right
Right
For sure, I mean and you have to have some of it is
Huh
Like just because the bump front bumper is like got all these big ducts and stuff
Yeah, that's cool
But then like they don't do anything in the back of the car to match that, you know
You don't have saying like so the the back of this car they uh the 66 they wanted uh
The the rear bumpers gonna be painted they want it painted and kind of body worked into where it like fits good
but it's still
kind of factory-ish so
Not not factory-ish, but it appears to be shelby factory to a certain extent
Um, but everything's be welded on and smoothed out in a lot gap and and and tighter and nicer
Um, so from the back it's almost I'm I'm running out of idea. I'd like to have something in the
Rear valence that would look custom, but I'm running can't like literally aside from having air come out the bottom
Which doesn't fucking make sense to me. What do you do to the back of that car because exhaust doesn't come out?
So like it's almost just got to be smooth and tight and that's that's it, but um
But we did drop the quarter down in the back
To make sure that when you're looking at it from the side the rocker isn't too low
So then you want to make sure that from the side profile that your bumper is
Uh, you know, it comes down to a certain extent
To me on uh from the side profile if the bumper is almost the same
Usually they should be a little higher to me
It looks it looks like it flows a little better unless it's a car that's like sits on the ground flat to where
That bumper like if that's a whole different style car to me, you know
So if you're going factory-ish
Sometimes the bumper is tucked up a little bit
But when you use you bring the rockers down this far on a Mustang that bumper is way down in the front
So then you how do you make that flow?
That's a that was a hard trick. It was a lot of I made that front bumper the corner out of it
Out of wire basically made a wire buck and man
Did I remake that a bunch of different times just to get that to flow and
It almost the first couple times I laid laid it out and put paper over it
It looks like a fucking boat
Like it looks like the front of a boat like I was like no way this is not going to work
It looks like shit and then the more I tweaked it and tweaked it and tweaked it. It's uh
Came up pretty good. I think it looks fucking awesome, but I don't think I would have came up with that right away
Well, and some of it was you know, the the pro charger intercooler isn't that that big cooler in the center
So that almost to a certain extent you're integrating that to the to the to the design of the front bumper. So
That was kind of
Okay, that's that's where this there's a big opening. It's going right here
So and then it was just making the lines fought flow with the
It the the front bumper kind of flows with where
The an original front bumper would be but it's in tighter. It's up closer. It's up higher
It starts up higher
and then
Maybe I'll just I need to do youtube with all the different design dip changes with this thing
Yeah, I think I'm gonna pull out like even the old um old pot metal
Uh front headlight parts and stuff too because they have extra lines in them that I deleted when I made
The the sheet metal on the front bumper or the front the front end so there's a lot of different stuff that's
Like you say take it to a local car show and every what you're gonna be sitting there for an hour with one guy
And another guy's gonna be like
You know
Yeah, yeah, it's all a part of it, right?
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