Gabe Law Tigers San Diego #451

What's up everyone and welcome back to the fast life podcast today's episode is with

my good buddy Gabe who is the San Diego Law Tigers head honcho over there he's a great

dude I met him through my buddy a mutual friend Taylor from ship to crew about a year and

a half ago and we started to build a pretty good friendship since then so Gabe flew me

out for the parts and labor show that bitwell hosted earlier this month in January and we

did this podcast out on his back porch it was a good talk about the growth he's had

finding motorcycles through this job and all the different places taking him over the last

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give them a call now let's get into this episode hey guys you ready to let the dogs out yeah

dude and it's I haven't officially had you on the show yet I mean you came out and did

the pod with Taylor that time yeah which is rad yeah it was a good time but like I figured

to be fun to do like a diet a deeper dive into like how you kind of ushered into motorcycles

and this position and all this type of stuff that you're at yeah dude of course um well

there's a common friendship here was Taylor and then I met Taylor through doing the law

tiger gig he's going on probably about a year and a half at this point yeah and I've been

doing the law tiger thing for but I hit four years in November damn it's that long already

dude it's flown by and that'll say in time flies when you're having fun I mean yeah that

one totally applies to this one dude it's been it's been it's been sweet that's cool it's

a really cool gig and I'm very fortunate to get to do it so like where does where does

this desire to ride bikes come from did it come after the job or before the job it was

um couldn't say that it existed as such or formally before the job I was always into like

stuff that was like kind of Harley specific but adjacent to like you know you're into punk rock

ride a skateboard it's like it's not if it's when kind of thing you know and just alternative

culture like that like counter culture stuff like it was it was the a lot of the ingredients were

there and four years ago but before it came a thing um when the opportunity like right around

the time that the opportunity for the job was a possibility like a close friend of mine had just

gotten a bike and it's like okay this is first first first strike we'll call it and like I was

at Whole Foods working in the grocery world and then I got out and did this retail support gig

so I would go see different grocery stores and try to like check in on products that we were

managing and like try to sell stuff in and out and one of the dudes I met he was one of the buyers

dairy buyers at this local grocery store as my friend ref gets his bike like almost immediately

after the second strike is this dude oh yeah I build custom shadow on the shadows I'm like

no way dude like yeah check it out and like these little custom bikes and like it was so cool right

yeah my buddy this 300 rebel like now uh on the shadow yeah it's custom it's like oh okay so

start intergenerate excitement and then the the third strike we'll call it again

my buddy Rick Ortiz family friends know me as it was since I was a kid he had some involvement

with the the previous manager marketing manager here in San Diego she worked in dealerships and

did graphic design and was doing graphic design for law tigers well and so he was aware that they

were looking for someone in San Diego and he hits me up out of the blue one day and it's like hey dude

this is this is I think you'd be good at this I think you can do it and it just kind of got me all

obviously got me all excited right and yeah one of the requirements was for me to start writing

yeah so from from when I applied to the indeed position and by the way I was like

not the candidate on paper like I didn't have any of the qualifications that they were looking for

including like a motorcycle endorsement you know yeah license so it happened quickly but

as soon as it was official and we were we're gonna do this like it's it's been it you know yeah

do you feel like because it became your job you were able to kind of like

dive deeper more involved in it and like make it like almost your world almost

maybe do you think you ever thought about it in like it helped it uh like especially in hindsight

that I didn't know I didn't know anything I didn't know much about motorcycles period um

it helped that I kind of knew myself a little bit and what I would gravitate to

naturally without any like too much influence too much yeah exactly too much outside influence

that that's helped and then being like against like green green s can be

I think naturally played into my favor because there was like the people who were willing to

share and connect like found that I don't know like maybe charming or something like there was

there was a quality there to like the allow a lot of these folks to open up and like be welcoming

you know I think I think it goes back to what I've kind of said before I think everybody likes a

student you know that's that's a great point to connect to yeah and when you come in as a student

I think people are more receptive to open up and help and and show the ropes versus if you come in

like with some sort of egos you know like based on your age or whatever or what you used to do

like if you could just come in as a as a green student I think most people are like oh let me

show you the ropes yeah and it definitely happened I mean not as much as you think it did but it did

enough to where like it was encouraging and inviting and allowed me to be curious and like

ask silly questions and yeah oh you're so you only work on Harley's here like I have a shadow

it's like I'm sorry like is that is he being mean or like there's humor here I'm just it's not

connecting you know yeah and uh it just it just like a whole new world that's wide open and like

it was quickly that I kind of gravitated to something and then that's what like developing

the role myself like it's like all of it has grown you know yeah I wonder how much of that

also has has come into play with your role within Law Tigers to be able to maybe see this to a

different lens and maybe try new things or maybe look at things in a different way and not be like

structured into what like the entire culture of motorcycles was before that it had to you know

and and when uh I got hired by uh Bill Dow like eternally grateful to him because he took a shot

you know again on paper I was not the guy you know but it worked out he gave me a chance and

one of the first kind of lessons right as a student that's the willing student you know

was like treat this as your own small business you know and and it like really helped frame

what it was about and how to approach it and in previous you know we'll call him career

possible career paths that didn't happen yeah like a lot of the things I ran into was like

no it's cool that you have ideas but we need you to just run the play yeah you know and that was

always those were roadblocks that I hit throughout you know a developing yeah human you know and then

with that lesson I like accept like understood that this was not going to happen here you know

so it was wide open and it allowed me to utilize like the the basics will call him like the the

framework the program itself that had been it's been in development and like it's been around for

years at that point like like 20 years 21 years so it was a lot there and it got me to to the party

you know yeah it's like all right check it out this is this is it go do it and you do that for a

while then you start figuring out how you can add upon it or you know add your twist to it and whatnot

but what would you say is like you know as you start to get on a bike and you start moving around

like how was it walking into a lot of these shops out here in San Diego which is a mecca for

motorcycling like was it open arms did you come with a fair share of like at the fuck out of the

shop uh you know because a lot of people I think probably didn't know they still probably don't

know exactly what all law tires is trying to provide for you know shops individual and culture

and that that in itself at the end there it's like that's that's a good thing you know because

there's still room to grow but how it went down naturally was like I wrote that shadow as much

as I could you know that first year put in like 10 000 miles on it which incomplete like it's

relative you know I thought it was a lot yeah it's good you know and it was fun that was a lot of

fun and but I kind of knew I'd go find Harley yeah and it was in the form of a sportster

and once I like got the sportster and that was like a whole ordeal but like it like it was like

okay next chapter like it really did feel like that because now those shops that only worked on

Harley's for example that I had build a report with just from asking questions to not being

fucking annoying or whatever you know now I had something to like connect deeper you know yeah

so that's what I don't know I guess going into Harley's so heavy handedly and so intentionally

like that's that's been the way in and and it took yeah like about a year and some change maybe

right around there a year year and some change to again turn to the second chapter and we're

I don't know how deep we are chapter wise but it's definitely we're moving along you know we've

been turning pages yeah yeah yeah I can see that how that opens up man it also goes back to like

you know the night we were talking about I'm glad I got to discover deviled eggs at 40 years old

I don't I couldn't imagine what it must be like to find something like motorcycling at a

at you know what were you like mid 30s it was 33 33 years old I mean it's kind of sick I mean

dude and and I don't know like when I my birthday in July this all happened like I get hired in

November I remember having the thought like 33 is going to be sick 33 is going to be special

I don't know why I thought that you know but like I had this like

it thought appeared you know it's like okay and just feeling like deep inside that it wouldn't

mean something and then and then in fact that happened you know yeah I mean it's all I think

the trajectory has been good but I mean I I would probably associate sorry Taylor Paul Taylor's

calling we'll get back to Taylor I think associating I think it's kind of easy to associate that like

I mean you're in a hotbed for motorcycle culture shops things going on on a lot of different facets

of motorcycling you are lack of a better term you're horny for it right now you know and then

you have this job that has you waking up every day thinking about how to better your your position

in that job in the thing that you just found that you'd love to do yeah you know it's it's been

the opportunity that keeps on giving you know and uh if you're saying picked up some momentum like

I had ideas shared ideas developed ideas like it's it's moving man and we we got some momentum

and and I'm very excited to see where it goes and yeah what like did you always feel like you were

going to gravitate more towards uh like the chopper stuff and more the the fxr world and things like

that or was that just honestly I didn't even have time to think about it like it kind of just happened

like you know the shadow was cool and and it was having like a custom bike from the get

so it I guess automatically threw me into that side of things you know and and with the Harley it

just opens up way wider yeah and the sports there was a great platform to explore you know

aesthetically there again the things that were that I now and compare that or assess that were

adjacent to Harley's or whatever were already there I came into the situation with those that

with that flavor you know or that uh you know looks for that taste you know but it wasn't like a

conscious decision let me let me take a scan and I think we'll start we'll start with choppers you

know yeah yeah and uh the fxr thing is like I don't know why it just seemed that like the

fxrs are like adjacent to choppers somehow yeah um so and and and deepen the surge and deepen

the experience that seemed like the next move you know yeah right now I want to get into the dirt

stuff just because it seems fun yeah and I and then I hear that it'll make you a better rider

yeah so I want to go experience some of that and see like how that informs that the the continuum

you know yeah fun on these machines you know yeah you have to be careful you don't want to get too

much too quick because then you can kind of uh get lost in the sauce yeah that burnout like I mean

I feel I feel like the slow progression can be beneficial and the fact that you really get to

enjoy thoroughly enjoy the the the the spaces you get into the people that you get around the

bikes that you're on learning how to work on them more um and I don't know I mean I wouldn't shy away

I wouldn't say don't go get on the dirt you know but I would just say like man how far can you go

on this on on the street first or not first but like before you because the dirt's like a whole

other discipline yeah I think 100% make you a better rider um but also dodging traffic dodging

the world that's out there trying to kill you on motorcycles will tune you up pretty good

this part of the skill set you're developing yeah no doubt and I don't know it's just like

you know uh uh and the priority of like scratching itches like this one's been like

moving up the ladder you know it's getting out there yeah um we'll see like I've been passively

looking for like the like the motorcycle that'll kind of like okay now let's get into the dirt but

it obviously involves getting gear and like I'd like to get into some sort of course to where like

all right dude you know and I've been told several tips by people but I want to put myself through

like an actuality yeah dude because I did that when I got my license and it was tremendously helpful

like I could have figured it out I know how to ride a bicycle like I can I understand like

shifting gears and you know yeah yet like some of the foundational things to do approaching a turn

like speed aim you know uh like all these things to just like internalize and and and then now go

enjoy it yeah I would say if you do a cross country trip and go ride New York City uh that'll probably

get you like dialed in on concrete and then I can see that you know you gotta the first decision is

the only one that's going to keep you alive you know yeah um so like I think I was listening to

the podcast you did with Taylor last year and you were talking about this run that you had

did up to uh like mammoth is that where it was or yeah up in that area like up to 395 to um

I always blank on the name of the city where the camp out was it's um off the 395 near the Nevada

border okay up in that area yeah um uh our friends from low side chris and alise and uh AJ red

beer leather put this thing together this was the second annual uh and um how that came about with

them like the pitch or the vision was like this is just like about riding you know um and we're

gonna camp out we're gonna do some like around the fire type shit and we're gonna go ride and

like connect with the machines again and like yeah I mean I'm a sucker for a fucking good romantic

pitch so I was I was in you know um and but this year we did I did it on on the FXR that I bought

earlier this year that was like a whole whole deal to get ready for and then it just it was like a

whole adventure you know yeah uh my buddy luka luka gas down or actually just met like rebuilt

the motor but maybe we were like a week two weeks out or whatever a street glide shows up in his uh

his shop it's like I'm gonna buy this and I'm gonna rebuild it and I'm gonna ride this bike

so we both left with breaking oil still very little breaking miles and we dumped the breaking

oil in out of lonto which is like the town where you get off the 15 and onto the 395 okay yeah

we stopped and like did the oil change dispose of it uh safely you know within

literate or whatever you could do when you're in a pinch or need to do or whatever yeah and we

carried on and it was a series of uh you know small enough challenges that we dealt with like

should come and lose and whatever and like yeah something and when I was getting ready and packing

it's like I'm gonna grab all this hardware put in this bag and it's important man like

those uh those shakedown runs are um

they're stressful by all means you know like you're you're on the first time that you're

you're leaving you're leaving all the major tools they can solve most of the problems yeah

and you know you're just hopefully figuring out on the way but like there is something about that

in the process of um learning this new motorcycle it's like a first date

you know what I mean yeah it's like a first real date like you're around the block you know that's

that's uh that's sitting on a message on tinder yeah we're having people find people these days

and then the rest of it like that's the first date where you're gonna go out for a while and like

you're gonna say this oh did that land did it not did this this shifter stuff the primary that I

got that dialed in right you know that I bolt you know every bolt that you didn't take care of is

gonna let you know you know what I mean um it's it's best rule man like I just learned what that

word meant like a while back and I would use it a lot now yeah describing experiences are an

oldest meaning yeah you know so that's gonna that's gonna be the word of 2026 for me um

but yeah when I was listening to you on the podcast with him it just seemed like you were

because you were fresh coming back from that I believe uh yeah it was I don't know all of maybe

a month two months went by yeah it was it was pretty pretty recent was that your first like

motorcycle trip no I done I done a handful a little runs like that I think the the first official one

um my buddy and I my buddy ref who I mentioned earlier he was on the rebel and

he got his first sports tour this would have been I don't know like two three years ago or something

the plan was to ride up to big sir and uh we left San Diego the first night we were camping Malibu

and we left fucking like at eight o'clock on a Friday night at Malibu in the in the hills

yeah there's he had it he had the spot is uh I don't know once you get off what is it like

on the 101 once you're like riding pch it was I don't know maybe like like an hour out

okay up like that road you know I forget the name of the camp like one of the canyons like

it was like a legit camping okay camp spot you know camp spot um

we kind of just marked it like I just okay that is that where we are yeah that's where we're going

okay sick yeah so we start riding you know into into the traffic and it was we left late we didn't

get up there till like around midnight past midnight and so we pulled up to the campsite and

the ranger's not there anymore yeah so we're like okay we're you're gonna try to get a spot here

did you reserve anything I don't think so or whatever happened so we park and we're like okay

so what are we gonna do you know and uh we kind of start walking and it just happened

that as we're walking into the road the first spot on the ride was free like open so it's like

all right let's go get the bikes we go sit pitch a camp and then finish the 12 pack or

six pack was it six pack yeah and spend the night there we wake up and get back on the road and

had breakfast or whatever we ended up making it up to to cambria yeah and uh again it was a

situation where did we stay there he had this time he actually had a a spot reservation

so and we got there while it was still date daytime so we had we had a chance to kind of like

check it like check in pitch camp and then go grab dinner in town ride back in and it turned out that

our campsite neighbors were fucking rad like with this old like couple they were both teachers

like they had a cooler with all the drinks and they like they had more snacks you know

a few hours into the bonfire like feel like we should get some food and they get you know

grilling and that's rad people and we didn't have like much of anything like we share it like he

I didn't even bring a tent we slept both in his and uh that that probably that was the first trip

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we left friday super late uh we spent saturday night in cambria so sunday we decided like we

could keep going but we got to make it back because you have to work monday or whatever so we went up

to as far as like herce castle and not knowing anything we're like we can probably go and ride

by the castle doing like a look at it now you can't there's like a fucking visitor center you

got to pay whatever so found out pretty quickly like you should start heading back you know and we

just bombed all the way down to san diego got here at night and dad kind of unlocked it you know

yeah but as your first trip you probably learned some some stuff about that like how to what to

expect how to camp out or like pack out and i think some of the first trips i it like on on the google

maps you're like oh yeah i can definitely make it to there by then but you're not accounting for

like here traffic doesn't really it slows you down but it doesn't like affect you the same

way but those curves do dude you know on like on the way up so from on the we stopped in like

sandless obispo on the way up and it's like dude he had just gotten a car to say like i need i need

to be able to talk to you homie so like i knew that we found a cycle gear that was on the way and

installed it hooked it up and like that was like oh i'm getting off or i'm changing lanes that those

types of things that we didn't know each other's like we're familiar with each other's writing

style but like on the way back from la we were coming down on the 101 and like hit that traffic

and now it's dark now we are on to the freeway and trying to merge it's like it was it was clutched

to have that and not like panic or get lost or whatever you know but like you said like yes

like the more trips you goes on you learn stuff you know yeah when you ride with more people you

too you'll learn how to um look how to anticipate stuff like usually you know we i've never we've

had the headsets with lexen back in the day when they were around and stuff but like we never me

and my crew never linked our stuff and but it was more so like every time we went to a gas stop

i found the next gas stop right so you know sometimes like i would leave the pack sometimes

i'd fall the back but when i'd all right we're coming up in 10 miles you know i'll start moving

back to the front letting everybody know hey we're here and just kind of catching it so yeah you

i've always took that role because i'm like a logistics kind of person like i i'm nerd on maps

and that's massive dude and like with us at the time was like all right do you want to lead

sure and it's just two of us so like you know but like we're learning and like you said like

you developed that how to communicate that like it's coming out like let me get back up yeah

people see you like immediately move out of their mirrors now they're anticipate or whatever you

know it just kind of happens naturally so i mean that just kind of comes with not just time but with

miles you know but it's like every time you go on a trip you kind of add more skills to the to the

tank or to the uh the toolbox if you will on being able to figure out how to do it never once

are like when i get to go on a trip with someone else like i'm i'm a guest on their trip yeah

that i'm like observe i'm a student again right seeing how they do it yeah there was a there was

like a black bike club called 10 toes down they invited me to ride to uh Panama beach bike week

which was roughly like 800 miles uh from Dallas to Panama Florida okay and i had already been on a

long distance trip my first one was from Dallas to Phoenix for Arizona bike week back in like

2014 or something like that or no 2012 2013 sorry so that same year i got invited to go on this trip

and like and i'm in a club and i was a president of my club but this club let invited me to come

out so i'm riding with them and i just learned a lot from these like older dudes that had been

traveling and how they gas stop how they how what time they leave to get to the place at the right

time and it's like a good time management thing there's like so much more that goes into it

that as much as you can nerd out on your pack out you can nerd out on the google maps and the uh

and all that first you know before you even get to the uh packing out yeah so and that it's like a

you know it's a very uh deep well of learning curve you know and it really only

reveals how the depth the more you do it yeah yeah i mean you mentioned like specifically like oh yeah

we can do this many miles a day like the next trip we did it was i think chronologically uh the first

year i did Sturgis i brought my sportster and uh it was around the summertime my buddy ref he's a

he's a teacher so it worked out to like all right dude i'm done with my shift at Sturgis

and he's like okay well i have this concert that i want to go to it's like a music festival in

sorry in san francisco it's like okay well i'm gonna ride up there and you come meet me

and then we ride up to crater lake like okay that sounds fucking sick so i did like 16 hours

from Sturgis to Reno and then like slept like four hours and then drove to uh on the sporty

no in the van oh in the back of the tiger van yeah yeah yeah no that would have been gnarly yeah

that's not that's not it i'm not there yet i don't think i want that but um so i parked the van in

marin county we have lunch and we're like okay off we go yeah you know and you're looking at the map

or whatever and it's it was quickly like we jumped up to five and we got to the camp he had rented

some like glamping situation or whatever or it's like when someone's property they got like a little

tp or something yeah yeah and they had a shower it was nice enough and like you know we had beers

and thinking we'd like do the campsite the campfire thing no dude we were spent from going up the the

five and and it wasn't like an enjoyable run like in that like stretch of the five there ain't

shit to look at you're going straight you know yeah and we decided to do the five just to get up there

we didn't have a whole lot of time to do even uh you know a fraction of what we thought we were

gonna do you know yeah yeah but but that thing where you like oh yeah we can crush that 400 miles no

problem well sure but like how much how long is it gonna take just because this thing it says

says it's gonna take you x well it's like the google maps or whatever is optimizing for driving

and most cars are gonna do 400 miles on a different yeah you know and you're gonna do

you're gonna do typically four stops you know um when we go on on trips even when we were on

all on baggers we would still always stop around 120 ish on a good run but sometimes when you get

those rural areas you have to do it at 90 or 100 or maybe push it to 130 something but like I've

never I I never do and I have no desire to ride with people that are like trying to do 200 miles

on a tank on intervals yeah yeah I'm like dude I don't I I want to enjoy this part and I don't care

as much about getting to the spot as I do about being on the bike today yeah and but originally

the first bike trips I was doing like the first time we rode to San Francisco we went from Dallas

to Phoenix to LA to San Francisco three days and got fucked up every night yeah and then San Francisco

we were there one I think we laid over one night and then we rode straight from San Francisco to

Vegas which was the worst ride and we laid over in San and Vegas for one night and then we rode

from there all the way to Albuquerque and Albuquerque home it was like an eight-day trip non-stop miles

and you know like I got to experience that I'm like I don't want to I don't want to do that that's not

you know how I enjoy it yeah you know and that's the way a lot of clubs do it because they have to

go on so many runs you have to get there yeah then it's just like yo we're we're gonna take a picture

at the state line and we're gonna pass it all well doing that kind of stuff over the years has

made me want to go you know off on the road next to it or take another highway that's slower just

to see things yeah I'm saying yeah you know I mean the second day on that trip dude was like

we still have to put in I don't know I want to say I don't remember exactly but I don't know like

another hundred hundred thirty miles to get to Crater Lake yeah and from Crater Lake like we get

we get into the park and we go up the hill and we're like we're thinking we're gonna get a hiking

and jump in the water and shit we get we get to the top and it's like homey it's like noon yeah

we're trying to get to San Diego tonight oh yeah wow yeah that's insane but just not knowing seeing

maps and like oh we can fucking do that and yeah it was it was fucking rough how far did you get back

I think uh oh no sitting we met San Francisco sorry oh yeah that's even still far that was

as far as fuck dude because we're in Crater Lake and the plan was to get to the coast so that alone

was like a stretch and now we get to the fucking redwoods and it's nighttime now it's dark and

now we're stopping and like and through those so like I didn't I couldn't tell you what it looked

like it was dark but we're going through the fucking mountains and I'm like hallucinating

because I'm like tired yeah I was like trying to focus and moving around and like hey do we need

to stop okay let's take a break and we would break you know and like it was it was a uh uh I mean

nothing happened we made it you know made all the way back to marine county to San Francisco

oh yeah we get on the like we fucking make it to the city and like or getting on the bridge and

and my buddy was leading and like we would take turns and as we're gonna it's like okay fog

yeah and now we're trying to get on to the bridge and uh I just see his like little tiny

fucking tail light on his sporty chopper looking thing just fade into the to the to the to the fog

dude I'm like yo did you stop I can't see him and I'm like as this is happening I'm trying to find

like uh my headlight switch to like turn dimming a little bit and it was just like stressful when we

made and now we're in the city it's like foggy but you can kind of see a little bit of better in

the hills and like we get to the hotel and it's like just so drained you know so spent and like

we want to kind of like like connect and discuss what we just did but it was just like kind of

chicken unpack and like get to the room like change and just crash out yeah and the next morning

and this is like fucking 3 4 a.m the next morning he had to pick up his wife in the airport like at

9 o'clock damn so we do that week we wake up I ride across the bridge again to Marin and uh get

in the van I load up the sporty and I drive to San Diego and he goes to his festival with his wife

wow and his intention was to ride back you know to put in that bitch on my fucking U-Haul and drove

back dude like it was it was enough to like all right like now we know how what not to do you know

yeah yeah exactly yeah because I mean honestly if those are the kind of times constraints you had

you should have went up like the one from San Francisco and just do like Redwood's Crescent City

Eureka and all that and then took 101 back or maybe went more inland back you know maybe

enjoyed a little bit but it was it was definitely a good lesson you know and how not to do it yeah

but it was fun as fuck still you know and and like we get to look back and laugh about how silly we

were you know yeah when I was telling you about my trip going all the way up to uh San Francisco

in like eight nine days we left uh venus beach and we'd never ridden pch before we thought it'd be

sick to ride pch from venus beach all the way up not knowing how it really worked even though I was

looking at the map yeah so staying trying to stay like traditionally on one all the way up was like

we spent so much time lane splitting yeah we spent 80 percent of the day daylight

just getting past uh Santa Barbara okay and then we finally get to San Luis Abizbo the sun

starting it's like golden hour yeah and we're coming up on Big Sur and we're getting like the most

amazing sunset ever yeah like I'll never take away that that one moment was was made it magical

but then from San Luis a bit or no from uh Big Sur all the way to Livermore California

which is literally like inland and like even with San Francisco it it was like four in the

morning we showed up to our hotel room you know and we we needed to check in for the next four

hours yeah yeah go at it and it's like it's crazy like those uh I mean there's been times where

and honestly now that I think of it we misjudged like two trips to San Francisco really because

the second time I went to San Francisco we went up the the opposite way we like the way I went up

we did the reverse way and I remember my buddy Brad and I we were we left Vegas after our

fucking rager way too late and we were trying to go Vegas to uh you know the Bay Area which is

like a solid like nine hours seven eight nine hours on the 80 you know how do you you take the

to Hatsopy thing and then you drop down uh onto the 99 or you keep going over to the five and I

can't remember which one we I think we opted for the five at the time because in 99 from what I

used to remember back you know 10 years ago it was always a rougher road to ride up but um there's

just I still have pictures of my phone of us taking pictures of my buddy just laying in the gas

station like taking naps because it's like three in the morning yeah we misjudged the timing on

everything but now at that point you just got to commit yeah you're like what else would get another

hotel and like accept the thing we didn't have no we won't we didn't have the money to do stuff

like that like we we all put in money to go on this trip and then we pre book stuff right and

then so we're committed to it as opposed to now we try to leave things like open so we can make

those decisions on the road you know what I mean because you never know you go when you go to a

place like Vegas and then you tie one on you know but then you have a 700 mile day the next day

that's probably not the whoops yeah it's not a good move man you gotta learn it the hard way

you get through it and again not the right move but you get through it and then you did it you know

even the day after you're like that was silly let's do it again you know had fun at you know

when you tell the story you know it's it's the joy that you remember yeah we ended up catching uh

we rode pch down and uh we ended up getting down to venice where my aunts uh my wife's aunt is

and he was a Corsac guy and I was a Doseki's guy and it's just like we're sitting at her house in

the front yard and there's a picture of like a mountain of beer cans that just he and I had

on the bikes just kind of like taking the wind and then I don't know it I love traveling I think it's

it's one of the most rewarding things but most challenging too to to figure out to get out and do

it on you know and you're kind of start you started on kind of like a sports service is like I

started on a bagger yeah I don't you know and then I'm literally working my way backwards you know

I'm saying it yeah but it was just a starting point you know and it's not over you know oh 100

so um yeah man I like last year we put in some good trips um and that's that's what it's about

dude like honestly like I dealt with so many like bike issues with motors whatever that like halfway

through the year after we did I went to Bisbee last year with the best dudes and and we left

sandy it was fucking raining you know the whole way down to alcove to you like in cold through the

mountains and it was it was tough so like hey Connor so are we leaving tomorrow I was like yeah

dude we're going like all right okay we're doing this you know and uh but you get back and it's like

that was sick yeah that was so sick you know and the next trip I did was edr and dude edr it's like

I left my house to meet up with the homies it took us like fucking 12 hours to get there yeah

because it was one thing after another but we made it yeah and it was sick on the way back it was

like going over the pass that was probably the sketchiest situation dude well wasn't just like

weather yeah and ideally I mean what we did the first time I went to edr is we went out to cross

into Mexicali and then you basically ride through the city of Mexicali and it's a straight

shot all the way down to San Felipe yeah and then on the way back that that year we decided to

cut like through the mountains to Ensenada so that that way you make a loop you know and it's

it's you see you see more you know this year that was loosely the plan I ended up tying one on

Saturday night like it's a late start to the day um I knew it was going to run out of gas twice

on the stretch from San Felipe to Mexicali because on the way down I ran out of gas twice

I had two bottles it just wasn't enough we siphoned some out of my homies dyna and

you know we made it but delay and like now we're like whoa let's uh let's get lunch in

Mexicali okay they have really good Chinese food we should find the best Chinese food

like just slow rolled it yeah and being hungover as I was did not help picking up any kind of

pace you know but we crossed into Mexicali um my camp chest kept cracking fucking bolts so I'm

leaking oil on the way down I lost my my my rear brake gone we had we were working out on this

set of mids like with a yeah the Loud House Custom shout out to Adam and Lane uh but I was

virgin uh 1.0 or something so I only was working with it with a with a front brake so we get we

crossed the border we bought uh some oil additive to thicken up and not fucking go up and dry and

root like really ruin the motor hindsight it was fucked up anyway but so that another thing that's

down and from like Calexico to Ocotillo it was super windy like we knew there was going to be

some weather up in the past and we're like okay well what we can't we'd have to get to San Diego

you know and as we're coming up the past like it starts getting dark now we hit a little bit of rain

now we hit some fucking thick fog and like I had lost my I lost my clears on the way down

one of the stops where we have to refuel we may or may not have a case of beer and we're having

beers and like I just forgot to put him back on so and I had a smoke uh uh face shield so I

borrowed some clear some Joe and couldn't see shit dude and once that water gets inside the lenses

yeah it's forget it yeah and with the fog it was just sketchy dude and like there was this part we

were I don't know coming up on Alpine and uh we're trying to stick together the pack I fell back

just because I couldn't see much mm-hmm again that same situation where like the the tail light

just drifts yeah yeah like fuck okay there was cars coming by often enough to gauge where I was on

the road but you couldn't really see the dividers either yeah and the occasional car that just

fucking blazes by by and hits their their their you know their brakes and now it's like oh red

yeah you know so I'm trying to go straight here trying to figure it out and then I end up drifting

just enough to where there's an exit to what I see is like lanes splitting like the exit is splitting

and like that center pull like whatever exit whatever you know so I'm like oh shit and like

I grab a handful of front brake my tire starts sliding like that I stomp my right foot down and

straighten it out and like slow down like downshift and like I was able to like save it save it yeah

but dude I had to take like 15 minutes to like bring the adrenaline to like manageable levels

you know like what am I gonna do like well just kind of like slowly get it together turn the bike

around and I get back on the road and then I get a call from the dudes like Matt they got impatient

they stopped and I'm coming guys I'm coming I'm on the side of the road I get to meet him and like

what's going on I tell him whatever it's like dude let's get off this fucking road and there was a

we were right between exits and we got off the road and got into a gas station and trying to get

it together trying to warm up it was so damn cold and we're wet you know we were there in that for

like fucking 45 minutes just like dreading getting back and at that point from Alpine I don't know

to my house is all of I don't know what like 10 miles I don't know you know 10 grueling right

they were definitely grueling like the fogs subsided but then we picked up more like real rain

and from that gas station like everyone like we split it's just like fucking hammer home

luckily I was the closest one to to my house and I had my buddy Patrick with me we made it we

parked the bikes we kind of just looked at each other and like sigh of relief and you know took

off our dry wet shed and kind of warmed up and dude when you're out in like uh you get this in

the desert too like when like like probably when you were the busy because we dealt with it on the

way home from here last uh last um we were going to do EDR but we ended up not going but like in

west Texas it'd be crazy because a lot of the towns you know the distance between each one is

like 30 40 miles each one and like but it's such a vast area that like a storm can pop up out of

nowhere the storms out in the desert or in west Texas or they're not they're thunderstorms like

they fucking there's red in the middle of them like fuck it's not a hurricane it's not a tornado

but there can be tornadoes and so I can't tell you how many times I've been on solo trips coming

back from California whatever and just been on like mainly I haven't had this on the FXR but on

the road glide and I'm just like trying to get to next town to find like a shelter just to let

the storm pass or whatever and it's like you make it but there's still 15 miles left and there's like

this I used to I remember you're dreading it but like it's gnarly yeah fucking rent rain it's like

if I pull over I'm just no like yeah you know like I'm not slipping around and I just like you're

in your helmet you're just like you get I feel like Lieutenant Dan on the fuck is this all you got

yeah ready taking it yeah well you gotta I mean like you said what are you gonna stop and just like

now take it all just yeah just there so it's like I think that the the rain typically when it's a

thunderstorm is fast raining all day is is not great but a thunderstorm usually if it has massive

winds it's gonna blow through right but like a full day of riding in windy conditions with like

when coming at you or cross you it is it drains your energy so much yeah you know

and I don't know there's probably better like riding positions to like minimize some of the

impact from not just a head like a headwind but like when you fucking get in like it's not ideal

and we're like like I like I remember that that little stretch from uh Kalexico to Akatiyo on

my drifted like sideways so I'm like trying to hold it straight but also trying to turn it

could it please stop yeah it's gnarly man it'll it'll strain you and you wake up my neck your

neck hurts um but it's like I mean it's like I guess in those tough times especially like when

I'm crossing the plains which is usually windier that's where your gnarly storms are I'm like man

people did this shit and fucking horse and carriage man yeah and I I can't do it with an

iPhone and a roguelite like come on yeah no that's good it's important to have that perspective I

hadn't thought about it but yeah it's definitely true you know I will be using it to like get myself

justified like why you're putting yourself in this right position I don't have to do this but I

choose to do this so I need to do it you know I remember me and Taylor Roback from the beat uh

BRL and we were headed to Palm Springs and we were on 10 and it was just like the wind was

kicking our ass me mainly because he's on the roguelite so he can he can push it up a little

bit faster and like you know that the FXR will go there but it's like ah man like there's no

fairing there's none of that like I'm just taking it all to the to the body and the the chest and

whatnot so but once you get off on those back roads man it's the most enjoyable ride and that's

kind of the point of like the FXR chopper and choppers is not to be on interstate 40 and 10

and 30 and shit so that when I ride this shovel head out here I mean I'm nervous in a lot of ways

because of that because there's going to be parts I'm gonna have to go on the highway and out in

there's some critters over there some big critters moving around um I know I'm going to have to get

on the highway something like west Texas the speed limit's 85 my shovel head's not doing

85 miles an hour even to be cruising that you know 70 yeah 15 under the speed limit bro he's gonna be

blowing by yeah so yeah I'm like that's the only thing I'm worried about is like finding

alternative routes to get off the highway but even like the back roads are still right

they're still black blasting I don't have a mirror so I'm thinking about putting like a

mirror on the bike just for that case so that I can keep it on someone coming up yeah I get a mirror

you know it's for the strip you can take it off yeah I'll take it off once I get to the cool spots

yeah yeah I've uh I've happened like I the photo that we ended up using for that ad

I have the stem but the mirror fucking fell off and like that little bit that I ended up having

to ride the rest of that day was like oh you know and yeah I don't know was it chopper I don't care

yeah yeah does it look bad when you have one sometimes you know yeah I think when I ride the

baggers I typically always have the mirrors on it because it it goes with it and even like

the FXR stunts sometimes but like there's such some things that like really if I'm looking at

something aesthetically like those kind of change the you can take away I dude I totally

understand that and and I guess my concern is just it so far has been to just find one that

doesn't look doesn't look that crazy you know yeah yeah I definitely need to do that

um yeah I'm I'm excited to surround me excited but I'm I can't wait to figure out

what kind of mileage I can really get out of the gas tank what kind of mileage my body can

take in a day yeah and how I feel the next day so I feel like I I could I could probably easily do

500 miles ish on the chop but how how much is that going to beat down my body you wouldn't

do it yeah and you know like I've already kind of mapped out like I've been riding the roads of

Dallas for a lot but now that I'm riding back and forth from where I live the Dallas on the

chopper like I know the lanes to be in I know where the bumps are the harder bumps that the

suspension um would absorb yeah yeah yeah um so it's been it's been a learning curve and stuff

like that but I am half the fun dude I mean really you know if you're always learning then

then there's always something engaging about what you're doing exactly yeah and it just requires

different muscles and and when you finally get to like flex those muscles not for show but like for

because that's that's the whole point you know then it's a kind of like full circle yeah you know

not that it ends but like maybe like a spiral where you kind of come back and you know do another

lap and no yeah 100 yeah how does uh you know like since you've been how over the time you've

been riding what have what do you think is your more your happy place in within the motorcycle

world as of now like aside from the law tiger side of me I mean get into ride and just like

take the time to like commit to a trip whether it's next weekend or a few months down the road

and like knowing that that's coming and if it involves some of the good homies like preparing

and like yeah just the stoke enjoy around it and then to get on it and do it it's like uh

part of what was really engaging and rewarding from the get is how like present you need to be to

ride a motorcycle and not fucking kill yourself yeah but but it's almost like it also it allows for

like an extended presence right because it's not like just when I'm right on the road I'm focused

you know it's like no I'm like I'm leaving it's this is what we're doing right and and I can

like keep track of stuff and take care of what I need to take care of but I've allowed this time

and I've committed to like get the most out of it that it's just like the joy source right now you

know yeah um that that's the main thing I'm kind of chasing and there's enough of the things

enough things coming up that I I'm hoping to kind of full circle with with the role and and some

of the things we are going to work towards as a team and as a brand and with certain partnerships

that like I may get to like work the the built well of uh Motifest in the Pacific Northwest I

forget exactly what they call it but I'm able to ride there yeah and like oh I'm working but I just

spend you know last week on the road and yeah that that's kind of the next uh probably we're

gonna get a good point we're now we're turning into the next chapter you know yeah yeah because

because so much ground work has been done there's enough momentum to have it inform the next thing

you know and like now that I've got I've got a couple bikes I'm chasing certain things that are

are more intentional it's it's nothing but excitement and just patience really to like

be able to execute and multitasking and or ripping up to what I mean I was we were looking at the

flyer over at Biltwell earlier today I mean you got a lot of cool shit you can see in between

there so you can really turn that into like a a vision quest or big time yeah for real yeah

dude I'll tell you like riding the coast from San Francisco north up into Oregon

is one of my favorite runs um there's just like really rad uh I want to say it's in

Crescent City is that up there um I'm not sure dude there's this like steakhouse

that's in I want to say it's Crescent City man it's like a it's a steakhouse that um

me and my boys we were we ended up landing in on a bike trip yeah Crescent City and once you go

through downtown it's like the whole city's full of tweakers dude straight up but there's just like

old timey dive bar that we went in had amazing steaks drink a beer and then we asked the bartender

like yo we're staying in like Gold Beach or one of those towns up there like do you know any cool

spots up there like bar whatever she she told us this rad little pizza spot that's a bar that like

the back windows of the bar sees amazing sunsets on the on the coast and Oregon's a little sleepier

than like the California side of it but it's got it's got some gems in it and the trains insane

and it's not as busy as like some parts of pch or because I think once you hit um

after you hit Leggett it's all 101 it's not the one anymore you know it's a main highway but yeah

Avenue the Giants all that stuff do it super sick that run on the way back from the Sturgis

show I was talking earlier like we missed all that dude because it was fucking dark

yeah you know whatever we'll do it again yeah those things are pretty gnarly man it's uh

I like driving through it I mean I did two road trips up to Washington and down the coast

and one one solo one with my wife and they man they're they're just epic being up there

and like I said when I was driving it was all kind of foggy and stuff so that made it like a way

different experience which I was also in for um I don't know man I traveling is like literally one

of the uh I wish that she was free right like but I guess that's what makes it so

like impactful because of the work that it takes to go on a trip yeah and see this and the fact that

like the first couple times you do it you're probably not gonna hit the nail on the head right

you know what I mean you got to really make it a priority to like go seek it you know yeah and uh

if you're fortunate enough and some of us are some of us aren't to like

take the luxury of doing that like yeah then find how much how rewarding that is dude it's like it's

chasing that dragon dude I associated to like figuring out your sauce on a bike that what makes

you like your favorite like maybe buy this bars or these bars this seat this exhaust and as you as

over time you figure out what is like this is my comfort zone that's it that's such a good point

and and it is where I'm thinking right because like the version I have of the soft tail right now

I need to change some shit because it works right here in between town I can go out to

josey's or whatever just fine but I'm trying to think well I like leaning back on the pack I want

I like some pullback shit you know so but it's how am I gonna spin it to not just put the old bars

ahead on right to like accommodate for like this thing that should work better you know for longer

distance stuff you know so that that endless kind of thing and how it informs the aesthetic that

you like in your style like that's where I'm at right now with that bike in particular

you know and and that'll inform the next the next building the next project yeah yeah 100%

you hone it yeah and that's I mean yeah you hone it like like I I'm on my first shot right

and I love a lot of things about it but I'm really not going to know what I what I need to change

till I do this first trip and then I think that will kind of like open up some pathways and I mean

I've been I've been riding the the piss out of it just to kind of get as many miles as I can yeah

to see if there's some things I can do to the bike before I hit the the road

oh yeah it's such as like it has a back seat technically and I what I usually do is like I

go on the road and I'll fly my wife to LA yeah and then she's in LA she's seeing family we come

through we'll hop on the bike and go cruise to you know Abbot Kenny or go hit one of the spots

around the corner yeah and I like being able to have my wife yeah like I mean dude it's a

David man painting you got a your check on the back your cruising down the down the coastline

like that doesn't get old ever let's sit right there it's one of the things to check off or so I

gotta I don't have any rear pegs on the bike or anywhere to put her my wife could put her legs

around me but yeah bitch and complain clip on situation or something it's not super invasive

you know I'd say bitch and complain but honestly if I had to ride a bike right sit in indian style

dude I'll be bitched on a seat like this yeah this is literally a tampon yeah

that was uh some of my girl like we she rode on the soft on this version and it's it's a whatever

lapera scorpion seat I think it's called so it's it's somewhat cushy but it's like four inches wide

you know and we went around I don't know like to dinner one night and it's like that was doable

but not enjoyable homie like we're not gonna go to fucking josey's like that I get it I didn't

expect you to you know and with the FXR in that trip we were talking about earlier to the to the

sierras for the slow ride we left in the morning and she left in the evening when she got off work

she drove and then for the next three days we rode around the sierras oh that's rad she got

so I was so sick dude because the FXR you know it's got the leather pros it's got a tour bag

it's got a fucking sissy bar with like a backrest and shit and like yeah the the couple times we

rode together like she's right here and like every time I stop like her helmet would ban me it's like

ah this is this is cool but not it you know so from going to the little bit of that to like

now we're in the fucking sierras you know we're up here and like she's just leaning back to

dude that was so sick like and that bike is up on the lift right now because working some shit out

but like as much as I want to ride it I want to ride it with her you know and like oh yeah you know

what's up date night let's go yeah oh it's sunday we were done with our chores or whatever

let's go up to ocean side but we'll take the coast you know like that type of stuff to like

it'd be good I mean bring her in you know there is I mean

it would be sick I would love to have a real road trip with my wife

on the bike and whatnot and I know that there would have to be some sessions that I I make for

her comfort you know I mean and I think that at some point if if I ever get financially to a

point where I could afford to take more time off yeah to do less distance it would make sense but

you know being in Dallas it's just grueling to get to California right dude so you know whether

and I mean I can go as slow and take it chill as want but yeah like we talked about earlier those

the fog days the wind days the rain days it's just like those are the ones where it's like

she's not going to think of it as a vacation no it's well it's really not you know and

and you can try to prepare someone for that but it's not going to be chill dude it's going to

like it could ruin the whole vibe and like fuck this I'm getting on a plane you know yeah

hopefully not but like it could get to that point you know we're like you really got to

want this shit and and you know the alternative which is kind of a tougher pill to swallow

it's like well you know we rent a bike we can fly out and like now you don't do it on your bike

now you don't know it and it's like you know there's there's well the hope is like like I said

when we come I have full intentions of driving the van out here from Texas with the chop in

the back for parts and labor next year and at that point I hope to find a way to make it to where

look if if I can if we can jump in Del Mar if we can jump on the bike yeah and cruise up to Denny's

by the sea with her on the back that's it right there and she can catch that sunset and that vibe

that's all I need her to do that's it's so worth it just because that right there that right there

that that sunset on on the the San Diego coast it's just it solidifies like this bike all this

uncomfort that you know whatever it's like the reward yeah the payoff almost 100 and you know

the sun sets every day yeah you know so you could do you could chase it or find it

elsewhere or take it all in from another spot yeah I'd like that what was it last year after

Born Free that we did that oh yeah when it sat there I had some good hang some conversation

look over sick and then you kind of carry on you know and yeah I try to be very mindful of that

and it's because of riding like the first time that I rode down here to do the podcast with LFG

when I was a guest on their podcast shout out to the boys me and my boy dragon Jaden we were cruising

down the coast of uh we we got off like right up there in oceans or no carlsbad and just rode it

all the way down to Encinitas or Encinadas how we say Encinitas and uh we just watched as all

these people flocked like stop what they're doing flock and like pop a lawn chair out the back of

outie and sit down and watch the sunset I'm like oh shit this is intentional and then

it's made me to where like I mean there's there's like been funny memes where like

you walk out of the grocery store and it's this gnarly-ass guy right or you go to you know

Pike's Peak and it's just like a fucking yeah no no clouds nothing it's just kind of boring but like

just there's a feeling like when you watch sunset over water it has a different

effect yeah it's it's just so much more like obvious you know and apparent in there like

yet dude you're here you might as well take a few minutes to like yeah you know like every now and

then like my house like the windows right here face west and oh it's that's west right there so every

now and then it's like we're cooking or whatever getting ready and it's like did you see this guy

and like we'll take a moment and it's not the same because you don't really see the sun setting

yeah per se but well this version of it it's setting over the exactly from this vantage point

yeah yeah I I think that shit's so cool man and that's something that like we want to be able to

enjoy you know I talked to you earlier about how like that the type of home or shop home

yeah you want to find out like we just want to be able to enjoy things like that yeah and I find it

I don't know if the word is gratitude I just find it to be it stops you in the tracks and it does

make you appreciate some things well you got where you're at who you're with like it's weird man like

and sometimes like sometimes it's I'm riding on the bike west and I'm I'm I'm blessed with this

amazing sunset before I still have 250 miles left to go at night it's gonna suck on the way back from

Arizona from the summit we left I don't know like a five-ish or something and we're head at west to

back to California to San Diego and we see the sunsetting that's in your face through the windshield

that not a big fan of that one yeah you know that was a little difficult but you know you get through

it and whatever but like intentionally like looking for moments and like designing your

surroundings as much as you can or your life even was like a little intention and like I think that

that the ability to like make that part of your search and what you're seeking like that cuts a

lot of the noise you know and and and I like to share as much as I can because I appreciate when

information or inside or or whatever comes this way you know I it's it's special man it's like

that exchange is uh it's so valuable you know yeah my buddy uh I think I might have missed you Bruce

he lives up in Washington uh he lives on top of a mountain and he has vantage points from his property

of like I think it's either Mount Hood or Mount Adams because he's he can see both from his property

in different spots but it's like he'll send me a picture in the morning one day it's like uh it's

like snow covered mountain and the sky is all pink and peachy yeah and uh and to me it's like cool

that he shares that with me because like I've got to witness it by being at his spot and I don't know

man like my wife she'll she'll text me the sunset when she's at home and yeah um I don't know man

it's just a cool vibe man I love it it's always been something that I got as the older I get

dude the older I get the more I look at flowers and fucking sunsets dude I don't know if that may

if my t is low I doubt it dude I don't know you know I don't know what it is but like shit like

that's starting to be like oh that shit is beautiful player yeah I mean dude it's a

I think as an artist you like what do the seek and the the search is to

in the process of creating like you need inspiration yeah and you need to allow yourself to take the

moments to like absorb it when it's right in front of your fucking face you know and and

intention like lately that's been a big word and you and I have used it interchangeably

for a lot of uh what we're trying to express to each other you know because uh it's relevant

dude and and it's it's uh in the sharing that we've done over the past few days like it is

important and it's it's gonna I hope it allows us both to like continue the search you know

yeah and and I I think that photography what not saying that you need to go nerd and now

and buy thousands of dollars in equipment but that practice is a therapeutic thing that helps

people appreciate things in life because when you start to look at life not from the back of a screen

if you look through that camera you look through the viewport it literally like it changes your

perspective of things and the and when you see your friends through it and you see the world through

it it really does kind of almost like block the noise out yeah and I think that my process

or my path in photography has shaped my appreciation for so many things in life

you know you almost see the you see the vulnerabilities in people which then you can like

relate to you know yeah people that you might have thought didn't have those

you know I'm saying yeah because now if so if I ask you look can I take your picture like

how do they process this moment yeah like I'm trying to think of that look that I did in the

mirror today yeah right you know I like my whole life of kind of like it's like a thing and just

try to go go silly go go funny for whatever reason you know like when you kind of just holding it

there like I don't know what it is I'm sure we all go through like a version of it unless you're like

American psycho fucking you know just like whatever you know but but it is a good way to like

learn about someone in like an instant you know so how much it reveals yet it's like a moment of

connection it can be at least you know I think so I mean I think it's like I don't know this

you you see yourself in in so many different ways like the way you know like you look yourself in

a psycho but I get it and I wish that I could be this way it's like you're like just look oh yeah

cool whatever or you don't give a fuck you just don't care yeah that's yeah I think that's why we

always kind of maybe I know myself like there's something about someone that doesn't care that's

like refreshing oh that's like sick yeah I want to know how yeah how do you not care it's like you

you don't care but it works but I feel like if I don't care it doesn't work right you know

so it's like I don't know I've always found it and and I like through photography you you just find

I think it's a good practice it's a good hobby to have if you keep your intentions

like you don't you don't not your expectations lower like don't buy camera thinking you're

gonna be the next whatever you know national geographic uh photographer of the year yeah

you know just get a camera and capture your life the same way that our our parents did and our

grandparents did you know yeah and it does is it maybe something that like I mean because you

have a camera on your phone you know but it's not it it's not what you're expressing here like

there's a big gap there and I think that's too easy right I think that because it's so easy your

you can appreciate a phone a camera phone right you really can't but I don't know that if you if

you even if you got like a little point and shoot digital camera where there's some process of you

taking that image from there to your phone yeah that level of effort I think creates a little

more value and so those levels of effort that's why like if you take a picture with film and you

have no idea what it looks like and then when you get the prints back or you get the the downloaded

or the the scan film back yeah your you appreciate all the flaws the the lack of quality the fact

that maybe that really sick shot you were wanting to know how it turns out it's a little little fuzzy

but you're like that's what I got right I you know I love it and so there's those aspects that like

make the experience a lot lot better and it's not that like I guess it's kind of like the the thing

is like when you put a camera on your neck then maybe an overthinking person like myself is like

well I don't want everybody to think I'm trying to be a photographer I'm just trying I'm just trying

to capture shit and if I don't have the camera on me I can't capture it would you say you're a

photographer man I don't know man like I I have in the past I I have for for the simplicity

of not having to explain a deeper why you're why you have it with you thought of you know I see

the problem is like the word photographer is so encompassing that the guys that I follow that I

look up to the people that I aspire to be like are in that same category when I call myself a

photographer so there's a part of me that doesn't want to call myself that because I'm I don't see

myself in their spot yet you know I can relate to it to something that I've kind of lived through

and an experience like I my father's a musician like an artist he looked like guitar you know

so I naturally gravitated to some of that and like I picked it up and whatever over the years

played guitar on and off and when I was actively playing in bands like I'd have like homies that

oh yeah he's a musician and like yeah I didn't say that like I play music yeah and in

when I thought about why like made me uncomfortable I was like well I don't earn a living like this

isn't a trait that I practice you know I associated it to like that and or I don't read music I'm

like I'm not like like a music I don't know why but like I think it's kind of similar to how

how you're dealing with this and being or not yet this is a way you express who you are you know

I've on that note because I think you're explaining you're 100% explain the same thing

I think that there's things when it comes to the arts that those titles are bestowed upon you

not self-imposed yeah to call yourself like an artist like I even hate saying that like yeah

I've done artistic things in my life but to but I feel like in some aspects I have no

problem say yeah I'm an artist but that feels so pretentious to say right I'm a photographer that

feels you know as soon as I say that it's like a burst of like adrenaline of all the people that I

judgment and like negative things yeah like I said I'm unfortunately I think that I don't

be but I think that there's some kind of self

not doubt or there there is I feel like there it's indicative to a lot of different people because

yeah I think the artists that most people find to be the most impactful are also the ones that

feel like they never made it they haven't quite cracked the code or there's something left on the

bone and so there's something left in them like an overconfident artist that like thinks that

everything they do turns to gold and the banana that with duct tape is like my magnum opus like

you know I just feel like it's it's an artist a photographer a bike builder

these are things I think are best to be bestowed upon you by other people of how they interpret

you yeah versus like walking around and calling yourself that and I think in when the word the

work speaks for itself and actions speak louder than words like you don't need to call yourself

much of anything if you are what you you know what yeah like so through your work and and your

output you know yeah so when people when when you get in those random conversations you know

I'm at a thing with my wife in her her world people that she knows or maybe some of her clients

or just somebody in general yeah and hey what do you do for living I was like oh I work on bikes and

you know the one thing I hate saying is I do a podcast I fucking hate saying yeah I have a podcast

because it's like it's a it's become a meme right right sure yeah my my neighbor over here has a van

and it has a sticker of a dilapidated sticker that says like I have it's like a quote in quotation

I have a quote and then underneath like everyone so like that is a very like it's um it's out there

that's something that's uh penetrated you know 100% and so I I find that like

while in in in some ideas or some like people's perspectives there there might be some things

that I've done or had my hands in or created that people think a really bad ass which I

I'm proud of a lot of things I've done but you know like it's also not one of those things like

yeah I've been in a magazine blah blah blah times yeah you know my you know I have so many followers

like these things that are like like again kind of bestowed upon you are things I don't want to

necessarily like refer to myself as would you say that like an achievement is something that could be

like so like someone like attributes to you like do you find it how does I like a good

like how would that inform how you communicate what you are who you are and what you do

if a person or I mean yeah there's there's probably there's people in the motorcycle industry or just

in the photography world there's people that I'll look up to where if I got some kind of

out of boy from them there would that would be some type of achievement or or but was it

the thing you did or getting the recognition for it well I mean it was the thing I did that

ultimately garnered the recognition so and in the case of a motorcycle or a photograph or a body of

work and different in another way like it would be a past tense like that thing you did was really

cool and I appreciated it it was it was a good looking bike it was a great looking photo it was

this and those kind of affirmations are you know every once a while like getting one you never know

like when you that's why I try to do that a lot more yeah because I've had them happen to me at

the right time it took me out of a bad place right and if it's genuine and it comes from someone you

you know respect or admire whatever like it's it's like a small transaction almost right because

it's like yeah you know this this was worth someone if the if the compliment is the currency

and it is for this thing that you made it isn't until that exchange happens that it's like oh this

is really worth what he paid for in a sense you know yeah and and I mean think about it like

we all see something that we like and it could be as simple as like seeing a someone that built

something or photographed something or did something online and leaving a comment and saying

yo dude this thing is badass you know and to me like I try to be mindful of that because I can

doom scroll and scroll right past things I think are cool right and my buddies did or whatever all

the time but I try to be it's a practice with your it's a practice like it's not like I don't wake

up every day and I'm the same person I'm a version of them and I have to I have to I have to be mindful

to put myself to be the best version of myself yeah you know that should take effort and constant

introspection and self-awareness you know like yeah you don't get to just say you

are gonna you're on this chase to be the best person you got to do some digging and some work

right after that you know otherwise I mean bro work every day is different man like yeah you know

you catch me on a bad day you're gonna get hungrier than others sometimes some you know whatever

like I said there's there's times where I like I know that my whether it's my serotonin or

wherever that whatever chemical is like causing this like euphoric feeling and I'm like on Instagram

or I'm thinking about friends and I'm texting them I'm calling them I'm liking their shit I'm commenting

and it feels good to do that because it feels genuine yeah at the time you know and not that

is like a self-serving practice but like to put out like positivity like that ends up coming right

the fuck back oh yeah yeah remember I was telling you mama buddy uh Promethean liver oh yeah so he

sent me a picture of his uh he's building a royal infill chopper like and he's like I say he's an

amazing fabricator and he sent me finally sent me some roller shots or yeah it's dude it's so tough

looking whoa that's freaking cool that's the the loop in the frame that's and there's a shock in

the seat post so there's like some kind of uh okay a little tiny bit of this little something

give yeah oh man nothing's tight so he's he actually drew a paint job on there because we're

gonna paint it that I'm like yo this is I want to do that now you know what I mean so like I said

it's well like as that's a good segue into like as you've kind of started to build a network of

people motorcycle related like the the gentleman and the people that you've been introducing me to

our weekend how has that changed your experience on motorcycling or maybe deep in the love for it

or how it's uh like the connection to it and it being like motorcycles has just it's just so much

deeper right because now it involves like friendships and and respect and admiration

and like collaboration with people and like this exchange of uh of joy and creativity and and

it's just it's it's it's more special yeah you know and and right now I have a really good like

tight knit circle of of friends that like it's kind of funny dude like you know Taylor's a good

friend himself yeah he moved across the country but we still stay in touch you know and he'll call me

and like hey what are you doing you know I'm like I'm at Gaston I knew it right you share a location

with them too I do it and I don't think he's cheating and no it's just instinctively like

I just I'm out there a lot it's just down the road you know that's that's my boy you know and

and it's interchangeable with Loud House and you met him both and like those two those two guys

it's it's it's pretty sick because it's like you know it looks looks like my little brother

and Adam's like my big brother oh okay you know yeah and we have this dynamic where like we have

very similar sense of humor and are like it's it's motorcycles and then like if you kind of

break it down it's like choppers you know and that is you think you're breaking it down and it

goes like this but really it's mutual interest right yeah it's mutual interest and and you know

there's um sensibilities that we may gravitate towards like visibly or aesthetically and we get to

like well what do you like about that because it's not really doing it for me and you know yeah

that conversation is just like I'm going and you know the the group text when I kind of quiet down

for like five minutes and then there's a picture of a beautiful bike it's like oh yeah that's sick or

like yeah not for me you know and uh and then you it's like so revealing too right and it's like

it tells you more about the person right like okay by the fifth time I see an invader wheel or something

homies into invader wheels yeah you know without him telling you like that that kind of constant

revelation it's like it's a way to like I want you to get you to I want you to get to know me

more yeah yeah um so that's that's endless and uh right now where we're at it's like

now we gotta go get some some miles in dude and let's like sit let's plan a camping trek to one

overnight thing anything like yeah because we spent a lot of time in I was gonna say each other

shops I don't got no shop so when I go to their places and like I introduced them I think so it's

it's already flowing it's already moving you know and I think right now where we're at we need

experience some trips like my buddy ref who I was talking about earlier like he's uh he created this

like almost like alter ego like online and was like I'm gonna go ride my bike and I'm gonna show

people what I what I like about this thing without saying much you know just like showing it you know

that it it's it's kind of created this new focus of of his that is mutual interest and uh you know

he he met some new friends and like they got a cool little thing going and I can't wait for the

conversation that I have with those guys to that was uh the the the chopper Cali chopper

collector Cali chopper collector that's right and they're like and is everybody in there some

form of like photographer dude it's it's it's yeah and I don't exactly know how they all met

like two of the homies we kind of knew locally and and the two guys are from out of out of town

yeah I don't know how they connected but I'm glad they did because it's it went from like my buddy's

thing to now like now it's their thing that's cool you know so it's cool because he was open

and welcome of like creative input from dudes that he gets along with you know and and those

things don't happen super often you know what would that be like to start an instagram page

where you have like four or five different people that all contribute like they're all

photographers and it's kind of sick dude because this is very recent and like I know I know my

buddy ref pretty well to where I can see his his his style you know like I know him personally so

it's almost like there's no not nothing it doesn't reveal a whole lot but it like it makes sense you

know as it's happening it's like well yeah that's ref you know yeah yet with these other two homies

three three homies like I know Doug a little better than the other two so I already see

like I already knew his style in a way you know but the other two like are super talented and

it's just exciting to like see how the flavors are they haven't listed the ingredients for the recipe

but there's a lot of ingredients here and we don't really know what they're preparing it you know

but I'm showing up with like hungry to the to the to the meals yeah I think there's might be

something to it because if everybody's on a collectively on the save wavelength and they're

showing their work and showing their stuff but it just makes it's almost like that's how many people

you need to run a solid instagram page these days you think it'd probably help uh reach some sort of

like sustainable output with like yeah if there's a vision there then you know what you're kind of

for you can set common goals hold each other accountable and like you know well I did it

yesterday it's your turn so like you know like uh alleviates maybe some of the pressure yeah yeah

to stay consistent and beat the saga or whatever you know yeah I did like two I did a hard couple of

posts uh you know doing this whole like picking up the Harley and starting that whole partnership

thing and then I had a real me kick starting a bike that like shattered all my dreams of

effort yeah um but it's like I just kind of like I gave it a good push and then I'm like and I kind

of like wanted that that disconnect from it for a while because and this is probably the bad thing

that I do is it like you make a post and then I get addicted to where it's going and how it's doing

and because you have like I think analytics like giving analytics to you as a creator

is a dopamine yeah thing and it makes you want to chase it and it's like

it just it's so there's so many numbers and you just want to see them going somewhere upwards and

then it just like makes you kind of become a slave to it in a way it could get wrapped and

wrapped up into like your motivation to continue the surge and like you know the work of putting

it together you know I have this argument a lot with people about like making reels and stuff and

I know that like I know that it's it's a part of culture it's part of the Instagram culture yeah

it's a part of every platform now right so I understand that that's not going away

um but like when you see like viral Instagram pages that that have like reels that that hit

there's like 40 to 400 reels that didn't hit right and it's just like that I don't want to

I don't want to go to the batting cages I don't want you know I don't want to do that

and just keep swinging and swinging it's like I I want everything that I make to be of purpose

and I think that's a bad that's why I said I think that that's what kills well artistic

creative creativity in some aspects intentional doesn't have to be permanent yeah you know and and

if you go through take the time to think about what you want to put out and what you have to do

do so you know and it doesn't hit it doesn't hit and you got to be okay with this was an exercise

an expression or whatever and dude but virality like that you can't back engineer that shit dude

it just it's I don't know what would uh what are the factors for that equation no one really I don't

know that that's the point right there is that if I'm waiting on virality validation that could

have simply been because when I posted it was the wrong time and there wasn't enough people that

would have liked it seen it therefore it doesn't go too many factors you know so in in the sense

of making a youtube video not a podcast but a youtube video about something I just I watch a

I consume a lot of youtube and I try to make something that I feel I want to watch right and

it's not gonna it's it hasn't hit that threshold yet where people have caught on that could be

because I don't put out enough to keep it consistent but once it does I think that when they when

people start to find our youtube and they go back they'll see quality substance you know as as you

say and vulnerability yeah a lot of that's I mean that's that's definitely part of the sauce you

know otherwise you're gonna have a harder harder time connecting deeper with people you know but

as you're thinking of this and I'm starting to like is it like a different consumer because

they're too it's or is it more that like maybe there's just two different mediums

I think that I think that most people have access to youtube they have access to all these

platforms but there is definitely a home for it right like when I'm sitting on the toilet

you Instagram is kind of like my scroll yeah quicker when I wake up real quick I don't have

I have no notifications on my phone so I have no idea what someone messages me so in the morning

just check I check the gram see what's going on see if we're in world three you know something crazy

happened get the news yeah because if whatever's gonna whatever happened is gonna be on instagram

immediately so I can get a quick I can I can hit three thumbs bam bam bam and see what happened

the night before yeah um youtube is something like like because when I work I watch youtube whether

it's you know podcasts someone's youtube video or listening to music or whatever the case may be

I consume way more youtube than I do any other uh thing but and I also consume Pinterest dude

I'm on Pinterest that's a healthy scroll I haven't gone back it's it's uh it's intentional like because

Pinterest is I can't scroll it every day I'm like once a week in the mood or like yeah I gotta be

looking for inspiration but it does like when I do scroll it I'm like man I gotta start dressing

better oh I gotta get my shit together oh I want a house so I want this like it does kind of it gives

me things to strive for that that I find interesting it's almost like it's I find that it's a good

place to be right I want to be inspired you know yeah dude and that is a it's like a perpetual

search you know for inspiration and then that you know the romanticized muse like yeah that's a

fucking thing dude creative moments or moments of creativity rather like they kind of come and go

and when you're tuned in and like you're you're really feeling it like yeah they they show up

you know and and they definitely do I was uh like with the scroll and and how uh I'm right now

like my I'm grateful that my girl beats me up about like hey homie you just woke up why are you on

the phone like let's not do that you know and and and she's been very mindful and intentional about

like I'm not gonna ruin my my the chemistry in my brain right now before I gotta get up and do

like the tackle the day you know so yeah I'm glad she keeps me on check because there's like she'll

and then and then to top it it's not just like like she'll send me some shit like some science

right now there's research on how this is like rotting your brain yeah you know you get so many

of those it's it's harder to just like do it without feeling guilty or like I'm really noticing that

the effects it has you know yeah I mean that's that's what sucks about this whole scenarios because

there's still value in it but I think we I think we scroll endlessly looking for that hit crumb of

value right because it used to be mainly value yeah a little bit of bullshit now it's a lot of

bullshit very little value but I mean think about it we a lot of us have been on instagram like

religiously for 10 15 years you know they're almost almost yeah and it's changed the platforms

aren't what they used to be and but then again so a better example considering the fact that like

the the company you work for sponsors this podcast with me not being on instagram that

doesn't become a thing like that they're not sponsoring a dude that has no social media

that doesn't exist anymore well you definitely are and maybe that isn't part of the conversation

and like assessment of value and opportunity because it just hasn't come up you know like maybe

but like I mean realistically like if you're not on if you're not making some kind of content like

it's really hard to stay relevant as a valuable as a valuable asset yeah of course um no there is

definitely uh output is is this the principal thing here you know because otherwise it loses

value like you said and and you know with this whole thing and just taking a forward facing and

forward thinking angle or position most of the time it's really what's informing the whole thing

like if I like sure it's it's working now but I know deep inside me it's like I can't sit here and

like A to my own horn or do the same shit I've been doing because A is not gonna work and B it

would be fun I could say this so I started my instagram page uh 20

2012 yeah 2012 um and I had a personal instagram page until 2015 that I started my business page

that that I kind of maintain now and I think that instagram pushed me and a lot of different

things to be better at things to become a photographer to practice photography to you know

to get into a lot of things because it exposed a lot of cultures subcultures to me that I didn't

really know existed you know when you open up a magazine and you see like the vintage shopper

thing like you think nothing of it because it's just like a random photo there's no context right

you know but then you start following a page like chopcolt or something like that or dynaholics

or one of these early pages and then all of a sudden you start going like oh shit that like

that's a now photo that they're doing it now yeah you know this isn't like a photo from like 95 yeah

and it kind of opens your mind like oh shit where are they doing this what is that that looks fun

the same way you're talking about like maybe riding dirt is the way I felt finding the dynah

fxr in performance culture a long time ago I see you know yeah well it like it's it's moving right

like it's alive yeah it's it only makes sense that it that it will change you know and and

finding what interests you and and like joy in it yeah I mean it's hard man like search you know I

think that like a lot of bike cultures are very tribal not not in a bad way yeah but just naturally

because it's a aligned interest and I think sometimes when you are into this and you kind of

like you shift a little bit and are into this that sometimes these folks aren't willing to accept

what now you're not in you like yeah I I kind of decided that like the common denominator is passion

and there's just different pockets of passion yeah you know and and that's what's allowed me to like

not be like well that shit's wack because what you can't just say that to someone who's put so

much into something right yeah you you pull up to the bike night my bike night t bar tuesday

on a shadow yeah well there are probably going to be some jokes there better be some jokes if you

got something skinned then it's going to be good but if you're cool and you and you play the part

and you're having fun everybody's gonna be like oh do we don't give you right right it's just that

you came in here on low hanging fruit yeah you know and we grab that shit because yeah yeah

can't talk shit about bob on his fucking st roglad that fucking rich motherfucker right you know

yeah because he may not buy you the next drink or whatever he's doing to like get that good in

the mix you know yeah his ego is very fragile right dude that's true and I don't know man I mean if

if this is like uh like a vehicle to find yourself you know it could very well be that thing you

know if this is something you get into because you need some new friends then that's real yeah it's

a viable place and there's like uh degrees of how far you want to take this you know and and and

continue to connect continue to do miles in or just fucking cruise on the sunday you know

I mean I've had plenty of friends that I still consider friends that have like traveled the

country with me yeah and have decided to go start a family go buy a house uh go do other things

and I'm I ain't mad I mean I'm more like you know like that's really dope that you uh

you know you you got to I'm just glad you got to experience this and maybe maybe after these

past year on you find a way back to come back to experiences I just more than likely right I mean

yeah because I mean bro there's think about it man aside from like the obvious is you know like

getting married you know or meeting your old lady uh having kids uh you know great milestones in

your life like riding a motorcycle with your buddies whether whether you're bar hopping or not

you're gonna have some wild experiences yeah and I guarantee you you're gonna have stories to tell

just by showing up just by showing up and then going dude because like it's it's uh

like you know you do a trip with a person and you get through it now you're locked you're locked

then dude whether you carry this friendship further and go deeper and you know through the years

or not you share that and and it's so special and when it throw and when it gets a little

fucking difficult and dicey like it's it's like the the bomb is tighter yeah automatically you

can't you can't undo that shit you know yep yep so how I mean I feel like you guys are starting to

like have that with law tires here with the the team that's been developed here on the west coast

and dude it's uh now it's on and like if it's if it's anything that I had much or little to do with

now it's it's no longer mine yeah and I'm so glad that that's the case because now I get to

like develop my role in it flip in the page the next chapter kind of thing you know and playing

another role when I came in like I was fucking brand new homie and like I show up to like like

arts company summit that we just got done with and like the first thing that was incredibly

interesting to me and like it's like there's like 30 some people here all over the country

we do the same job yet it's the circumstances are so different they're different people oh big

surprise there it's a different state oh another big surprise there the relationship with the firms

and the markets and the intricacies of like going like there's there's there's dudes and dudettes

that have a whole ass fucking state yeah my market is san diego county and imperial county

like yeah a lot happens here a lot leaves from so cal in the form of culture and impacts

yeah things beyond the motorcycle deal right yeah but how does that compare to how tanner

seymour is doing it in minnesota yeah how ryan richardson is doing it in north georgia

and so on and so forth it's like now i'm in a position that i've unknowingly but now intentionally

put myself into like help and move it along and like contribute not only to the brand but like

the scene the community that like the foundational things that make the move it along for everyone

else is i couldn't ask for more dude yeah it's so sick well i mean you went like growing growing in

this market is like going to biker school i mean that's that's cool i like that so i mean if you

grow in it i mean every corner you turn on there's there's bike related things uh every time you stop

at the gas station there's a couple dinas baggers sport bikes ripping by you at the gas station so

there's like i mean you're going to school every day where there's there's markets that they could

drive all day and not see a bike you know what i mean it's true dude it's so true and uh this is the

one that fell yeah it's certainly like a unique set of circumstances and in the right place right

time maybe we'll call it yeah but it's also like uh i think we've well established that like everything

has to evolve and change and modify and you know the same way that that before the previous

conversation we were having instagram's changed and we're having to figure out how to evolve and

change to stay relevant in that market i think that's something that like every brand has to do

and it's literally i mean you ever seen that thing where no key has talked about we did everything

right no it was like was it like some affirmation they were sharing with well it was like some kind

of like we tried we did everything we were supposed to do but we didn't adapt to the smartphone and we

now missed out okay well you know more revelation we thought the smartphone wasn't going to be a

thing we stayed with the the flip the razor that thing or the blockbusters yeah or the you know

cd manufacturers yeah everybody yeah you know i mean change is the only fucking constant dude

and and i remember like right around this time last year we had our like our previous company summit

and i was fortunate enough to get recognized as marketing manager of the year and i remember

they put us up in a hotel they had a bar like a nice bar in the lobby so after hours we're sick

because you know much how we've been talking about all weekend like you know this is about connecting

as much mainly yeah it's less about party you know yeah and in a conversation dude uh

a guy that's been doing it longer than me in north carolina jerry spencer who's been kind

of a mentor and like inspiration and like a grumpy old dude that like i really enjoyed talking to

yeah we had we connected and i think my second summit we just like got down in the park and

all right you like to make fun of millennials let's get into it you know so we had that established

and we got we we connected you know and and and he tells me like into the night it's like

dude like he was stoked that i got it right and and recognize that i was the one that needed to

get it you know he's like dude you're not the same person you were last year it's like why would i

yeah you know and it i think it like it helped our like relationship to like move along with

our lives and and this thing that we have in common and bikes and like it like the next

chapter kind of thing you know that was it was cool dude it was very special yeah isn't that the point

though like oh shit that's the point right you want to evolve and change not change like change

is like a weird world when you're talking about who you are you don't want to change because that's

one of those things that say you've changed yeah right but realistically it's it's what we we all

need to evolve i don't really want to be the same person in a lot of ways as i was a year ago i want

to be better at things so in that instance of change i have grown evolved and been better

i don't want to be like one year i was a nazi and then i share i'm fucking like yeah exactly it's

the black chicks it's not it's not changed for the sake of changing dude and evolving

what i kind of thought about like in the last week or so it's like yes it's not changed for the

change of changing it's it's progression dude yeah you know you need to evolve and those two maybe

synonyms maybe i chose progression because it's it applies more to this and like evolving

this fucking darwin like that's where my mind goes so maybe that's why

yeah it was leather resistance you know some fucking other shit um and that's

it was it was it was cool dude that that summit and trying to like

because now like i'm four years in i'm like a veteran and and this thing and this job and

and this brand and it's growing dude and there's been growing pains when i showed up and now it's

catch up to what we're doing yeah it's not so much with like how do they direct the whole thing it's

like actually we gotta catch up to what they're doing yeah and how you interact with complete

strangers that may think they know you because they see you and recognize maybe some of what you're

doing it's kind of a weird interaction and especially when you show up to the room like

oh fuck this is like my fifth one of these like yeah people look at me a little different you

know like yeah like i get in my mind about is like kind of shake that off and like

and try to be engaging in the room and like participate like it's just uh it was kind of a

trip but mainly pretty fucking sick yeah yeah i could imagine i mean anytime you get some time

under your belt on anything and you're doing good and things are on a progressive upward tick

like it's gonna feel good to go in a place like that but you know like since i've been involved

with you know meeting you and opening my mind to this this organization and collaboration

you know i i wouldn't say that i've seen the shortcomings of it i just see where

it what it was what it was and how it's you know going or it has been evolving or you know

progressing and it's just that i mean it's a good thing to do that like

obviously there you know when it comes to business there's a lot of very

important things that i think that we all probably hold on to in a sense of like how long

or when can i or when should i or should i at all let go of this adopt something new

modify it change it whatever like i can imagine there's some like complicated decisions to make

in a lot of those areas and you know like with the advent of the internet i mean look

not to not to throw any shade at it but like it's not that i think that the organization is trying

to adapt to social media or tiktok it's it's literally trying to adapt to social media it's

not a form of social media it's the entire thing you know from going from you know swinging doors

which is definitely still a viable thing um to like maybe some of the stuff that like our buddy

taylor is like figuring out that there there's not enough bike shops but there's bike related

things that i can kind of push myself into dude and and if you if you get beat up with this is

the way to do it you might miss this opportunity so not be able to recognize it you know and and

it's hard man like like innovation by nature is disruptive because otherwise it doesn't

like provide an opportunity to progress the thing right it changes uncomfortable how it's

dude always but if you embrace change it being the only constant then maybe you can get a little

comfortable with like you know what i'm shedding my old skin i'm not trying to plateau i want to

get the shit done because there's a lot of it a lot of it will be fulfilling to me

contributing to the brand and the scene and everything else involved with my daily life

is important to me so let's chase that dragon you know yeah and if you if you are fulfilled

and you feel content with like what you're doing every day then you're gonna do it with

a different passion and uh you know commitment and connection to it then if if you feel like you

you know like it's like the job was like nobody wants to be micromanaged right not not growing

up not professionals not not you know like i want to be trusted that i have the integrity

and the know how to do the job that you hired me to do right i have the

utmost intentions of doing the best do job possible i'm i think now and and as an adult

that's 37 years old in this in this place like i i can be led like i'll get behind some some

shit and i'll get some shit done and and but i can't do that you're thinking you need to micromanage

me and that's the way you will lead me you know like that's not it's not gonna jive dude and and

it's been it's been like fighting that fighting rigidity in general is difficult leading leaders

is a there's a certain type of skill leading sheep is not that hard herding sheep is herding

sheep yeah um and ultimately like you want everybody i mean every one of you guys in your

markets are the leaders of your market right dude and to go deeper with that like you like

i am the brand like i am becoming a like the version of myself that wears this thing and does

it so well because like i've kind of stepped into it and growing into it you know like

sure there's a distinction because there is an individual that puts it on and goes like this

and walks into places but like now i do it in a way that it's like if you can get it to become

like like seamless and you understand it and initially like to this day in some conversations

in some circles i'm like yeah what's up i'm not i'm the law tiger's guy it's like i haven't found a

way to introduce it you know to like to really reflect that transformation and the impact that it

can do right and it has less to do with like the message of the the copy or the ad

and more to do with like the impact and the the the impact that it can have on things with people

and brands and and connection and

i recognize it like it's it's a it's the bulldog out there oh that one's that one's inside the house

i'm not over the fence it's not a big but no i i know what you're saying so it's like uh

how do you that that first introductory line that that that it's the pickup line right yeah

you know like how do you icebreaker yeah yeah you're walking you walk into a road shop you

haven't talked to you haven't made an introduction you know it's you all can there's a lot of iron

crosses everywhere you know yeah so it it could be maybe intimidating something right but it can

just be hard to figure out how to read the room how to read the room yeah and um you know like

i immediately saw him in the shop it happens for sure and but i don't know like if you can do that

you know then you don't need to ask you know when you start to walk in and you feel comfortable

i think that that energy is read across the table right yeah hey man love the shop sick i love that

panhead over there yeah got my one too hey man i'm gay from law tires uh i love i love this

yeah and uh man it can i drop some stuff off you know you guys need you guys need some gloves

you need some don't you need some donuts next week yeah that's that's the that's you know

and personally for me right now it's it's hard to look back and think of how i could have done

those first few steps better because i managed in in now it's less sure are there maybe a few

shops that i haven't gone that are new that just weren't in my radar probably and i would go in

and do that thing differently than i did four years ago you know and and i think there's some

of that still to do around here and i also think like finding new ways to implement the brand

within things that be a of service but also garner the attention that you're trying to bring to the

law tires organization so that it can help people and be the first thing on their head when something

goes wrong that's it and and it's maybe available to have that impact by like

dude sure the brand has been built on like you need to go down for for us to really show you

what we can do you know yet that thing i say us with the brand but i have little to do with helping

even evaluating your case yeah i have more to do with how this brand has it impacts

like riders not just down riders like riders oh trust me like that aspect is like one of those

things it's kind of easy for me to talk about because whether it's the podcast and the events

that you're the law tigers has a entire corporation or i don't even know if it's a corporation

the entire company is supporting like in a lot of cases it wouldn't be there you know like

you guys stepped up big for parts and labor this year we're working on that old that old bf event

and you know there's things that i think that are very important for the consumer to realize that

like you're not chasing the ambulances you're providing a value in service to the motorcycle

industry and if and when in some cases you do have an accident to that helps and you often

hear more about the ones that didn't go well than the ones that did you know and and frankly

you can't help everybody dude and then there's a big uh side to the focus moving forward to like

did you got to get real insurance yeah you can't just be riding out here with liability it's so

different than cars and like if you have that then there's better chances than the professionals

that are above my pay grade can do something about it in your best interest otherwise yeah it's either

like you get good coverage or you hope you get hit by 18 wheeler right and i can't be thinking

of getting hit by the right person and i like you can be riding oh shit that's a g-wage yeah

yeah you gotta get the right coverage you gotta be dialed in on that aspect and you know unfortunately

like that's a part of riding motorcycles that nobody wants to think about nobody wants to think

about the what is you know and dude as i get older you know i'm 43 now going on 44 and

and i think the universe god christina fucking all of them yeah all of them because there's no

like the stuff i did in my 20s that i survived you know what i'm saying i just it's it's insane

the the stuff i did before i got my first dwi i'm in i'm absolutely insane that i'm still alive

and you know the thing is as you get older you really just get more to lose

you really do do that that's that's that's great perspective and and i'm grateful that the opportunity

to like change my life and i was like period open up the motorcycle book and now we're going this

way was until i was 33 and i got a lot of that you know shit out of the way and made it through and

like now now i can i can enjoy this where like there's less

irresponsibility and risk involved because like that's that's formative due to to to men to women

to people to humans you know in the in like society and shit like yeah i mean and i mean think about

it like there's i mean not to turn it dark but there's there's the the thing about motorcycles

is like you we've got a buddy uh he was a homie he was a guy that was at bike night he was a dude

that was at our camp out he was a good dude and he went down three going on three years ago still

on a machine three years on a machine like dude they wouldn't be so fun and full rewarding if

they weren't so fucking dangerous yeah you know like that risk reward ratio is that it's insane

yeah and that's this thing is like it can change in the instant you know what i mean yeah it's as

simple as you know and look i i'm a huge hypocrite i'm the dude that will 100% go have a couple beers

and ride home and i i like that i can do that because it's fucking america and that's how daddy

did it yeah that's how granddad did it and uh and i love that but i also know the risk and i assume

the right that risk you know it'd be different if i was it just wouldn't be you can't take those risks

and then blame the world no and you don't have to do that to enjoy it and get all the joy that it

provides a lot of us who like are in it for the rest of our lives dude it's not the older i get

the less of those risks i take which is kind of the point of a good sign of uh progression

or you know growth yeah like all these things you know like it's uh it's sick dude and like to find

people that you can connect within this thing it's like it already got rid of some people that you

don't want to deal with anyway yeah you know so it's like the pool of uh connection becomes

smaller and therefore easier to like connect with people dude and and that's i i like that

dude i really you know i grew up playing sports and and that's and then playing in bands and and

that's what has been so uh given me those moments of of depth and connection and like uh enjoyment

and presence that's kind of what i chase with a lot of this and being able to collaborate with

people and work as a team that's where i do my best work dude and and and like i need that feedback

that constant feedback to challenge what i thought or what i felt to then hopefully not be reactive

but like get an opportunity to respond and and problem solve you know yeah problem solving is

literally one of the the the i don't think that you see it as problem solving in your 20s and maybe

even your 30s or something thing but that's kind of what i acting on that's kind of the thing that

i said about you that i was like you know what i think that the world especially like when i say

the world maybe maybe everybody in the organization wanted to know hey how'd you do it you know how'd

you do this how'd you become manager of the year but it's more so like it's not it's not a cut and

dry i turn left when i should turn right right it's know that i this thing gave me a table full

of problems and i'm a problem solver dude that's a that's a great way to attempt to synthesize it

and i think that's probably the best way that's it's certainly been presented to me because

if i start thinking about it i go deep and i get lost in the sauce and it's hard because you're

trying to explain how you're trying to explain the explainable and it's not yeah you know you if

you tell someone how you accomplish one thing they might not have it in them to be able to

accomplish it the same way in circumstances aren't the same dude it's like i have i'm under no

assumptions that like this thing that i did that i can maybe attempt to articulate is going to

work in alabama why would it do it so that's why i've always felt like that in the case of what

y'all do it's about teaching people the problem solving skills and problem solving or problem

recognizing skills to know where they need to attack things and ideally there's talent there and you

don't have to teach it you just like fast track it and you bring it into what it is that the overarching

vision is and and the the list of goals that where maybe that's what really is interchangeable

in within markets you know and like states and like amen the goal is to connect okay well if the

goal is to connect and you know how to articulate your thoughts try this oh that didn't work well

okay why didn't work maybe try this instead yeah or have you thought about this and like that that

guiding um quality of the teacher to the student that's how this shit progresses you know moves

forward or just well being willing to go back to the drawing board after a couple attempts to do

something exactly and then figure out something or maybe taking more time to understand it instead of

walking in every shop and see what you can provide maybe you should look and see if there's a

ride coming up and you can go be a part of it dude that that goes a long way and if you choose

patience in this in this thing and maybe broadly in the rest of life have you choose being patient

for me lately it's tend to pay off you know like

but that's that's subjective subjective 100 you know yeah and if you can read a room you can

figure out how patient you need to be you know well I think it's it's clear that like you guys

are expanding across the country your the law Tigers group is um progressively you know I think

trying to identify and be of service to each one of their markets and I think that

there's a good set of foundational values to kind of attend to but there's also like the

I mean you said it after the summit the goal is to push individuals to figure out

what their market is and what they need and how to be of service to it yeah you know

and I think that's going to be a that's going to change the face of that organization over the

years I believe and and the the way the public sees it right which is the goal like yeah all the

people out and on the west coast are like homies to the bike culture dude and and I I don't know why

but I had it like I heard it expressed in a way that I had issue with and that was kind of like

what they are doing is like they're hiring people within the community and that is true

and I was thinking about this and maybe I took uh like it bugged me because they aren't doing

anything necessarily to hire those people it's like those people are now interested in what this

role can be dude and what it can become and then actively and intentionally being a a part of its

transformation in the broader sense and and like

so that dude that's that's where we're at it's kind of like the community wants to do this

like they they see it as a as a an opportunity an opportunity and to to be of service to their

market and to help people out when they have an accident you know yeah dude help people out

period yeah let's hope you don't have an accident yet yeah dude it's like yeah just walking this

up hey uh I'm gay from law tires I'm here to help shit help you motherfuckers out you know it's like

that it's enough of a change that it like can unlock so much you know and and I was talking to

Taylor yesterday after I dropped you off and then went and took and took him it's like yeah it's almost

like we need to redefine what it means like what does grassroots even mean it's like it it was like

a good moment to like that what does that mean and then like try to digest it and and in about 24

hours what I it's like yeah dude it's what we've been doing it unknowingly like what we've been

doing is redefining it yeah now we need to put a little intention in how we continue to do it and

also track it and show it and like make sure that it's happening you know yeah yeah grassroots is a

grassroots or grassroots is like one of those like blanket terms yeah it's like something you

they get stoned around at board meetings and you know yeah we need to get back to the grassroots

these words that feel good because we have an understanding of what they mean

but we don't always know what they mean in the context of what we're talking about but it gets

kind of loose yeah and it's like define that and it's like yeah when you just said grassroots

you know it's it's grassroots we're going back we're in a camp in the grass you know well I guess

going back to basics is what grassroots is right it's it's stripping away all the things that it's

become and going back to ground zero and starting over which is not a bad thing it's just a it's a

reset that you have to do the I mean the the bike scene and culture does that normally frequently

yeah it's like we're gonna follow this trend of bikes it seems very grassroots right now and then

it turns into 27 inch or no 37 inch front wheels and you know a trailer with speakers behind it and

all right well now we've lost touch with this let's go back to grassroots which is

FXR dudes, Dynadudes and born free people out there having a good time and let's follow this

because they're more connected to motorcycles now it's it's like it eats itself in a way you know

but that's uh it's necessary because otherwise like it could just end you know like yeah it's like

a cycle that kills it all I don't think that'll happen yeah unfortunately like there's a specific

type of individual that is designed to fuck up the scene yeah but uh and I'm not gonna define them

on here because they also pay a lot of people's bills so um I don't think that's necessarily a

bad thing and scenes like it all changes it all has a lifespan you know it needs to be first and

foremost cool like genuinely and authentically for someone to recognize it yeah and then to then

want to do it and that happens in increments to where like it's moving it's evolving and then now

the like now it's now it's mainstream yeah and from then on you can count the fucking seconds

until it's dead and it's no longer cool and uh cool is like a obviously subjective term

but it's very real and in its purest form it's it's real it's true you know it's like

I mean dude we've seen it like like instagram has a documented like thing that you can go

scroll back on some of these repost pages that existed for a long time and you can see the

progression of bikes go from that's pretty sick oh that's cool I never thought of doing that

what is that oh have you seen that yeah to where you're like I'm fucking done I'm gonna follow

this ain't for me yeah you know yeah and it happens in every one of the cultures

unless the culture is full of fucking dudes that are like no dude don't fuck this up for us and

you know in motorcycle do you see that happening to the fxr community I don't think I'd like to

believe that it wouldn't penetrate that it's so I don't know what adjective and insert there but

very well I mean I can't see I mean I could see I think the wildest fxr's got was when we were

panel painting them to the to the nights you know and I mean yeah the like some of the

the old school stuff like all the pro street stuff that was probably more wilder than what we do now

but I don't see them throwing I don't know how they could I don't know how that biking maybe that

variable of excess and borderline grotesque will just not happen on these on that particular

in fxr's because dudes are pushing to then go ride them you know and if that remains then it won't

get grotesque with like the fucking trailer in the back and the big ass whatever you know yeah and

and to further cement that into not perpetuity because everything ends yeah is the deep

enrich lineage and history you know and and like the builders I think when you respect that when

you when you truly care for the history and things that you're doing you don't want to be the dude

fucks it up yeah you know in that and you can tell in what rooms that goes without saying

and dudes are doing this shit for real like as an obsession that's like a lifestyle I was like

this is it for me you know and I now that I've now that like I can come in and say I'm this dude

from this organization with like less insecurity than before because now it means a little more

than it did back then like now that that's what I'm after and who I want to connect with and see

what sprouts and at the very least hopefully a friendship yeah like we'll leave the business at

the door like yeah I've hopefully proven that like I'm worthy of a conversation you know

with this thing in this place you know no hundred percent like I said I mean when I met you coming

out here to do Taylor's podcast which I believe you you flew me out for yeah you know it was like a

you know it was like oh shit like never done this before yeah you know like it but I would we just

endow us you know not to anybody's fault that's currently there but it just wasn't a thing that we

we never saw that around our scene right you know which in Texas like our scene that's more

reflects more of what's here is still small there in comparison as opposed to what our scene is

technically there there is probably small here okay well yeah relative yeah it's um and dude thank

you for being so open-minded and like getting to know you better like over time has been like

incredibly inspirational and how generous you are with like your time and your interest and your

knowledge is like just like I need it I need to become his friend kind of thing you know

we just hit it off because we had similar interests and like I you know that was easy but like yeah

seeing it happen it's like you know yeah I helped him with this or he helped me with that with this

yeah like hearing that and just like that was like that feels good to help people that appreciate it

dude trust me I know and and do you help people hoping they appreciate it and it doesn't always

happen but I don't want to get to a point where like fuck that I just don't help people do yeah

even whenever I do get to that point I still do it because it feels good and yeah you know it's

rewarding regardless of whatever expectation I had on top of that that service that I provided

I'm still gonna do it um but yeah like you know meeting you hanging out the homies and the times

we've hung out like it it's just easy yeah you're like we were saying it's like you're a good hang

yeah and to be a good hang will take you a long way in life in my opinion I like I try to be a good

hang you know there's a level where I've drank too much and I'm probably not a good hang but I'm

trying to find I'm trying to find that threshold we've all done it and that threshold is a slider

bar it's not like it's it's not x amount of this or that or minutes on the clock it's not dude it's

like circumstantial and and I think the the level of awareness as as as we grow older like

if you pay attention to that it'll it'll dictate how you can like continue this hang and make it

fruitful and not like your fucking destruction you know yeah I am thankful that I have

maybe too much self-awareness and that's probably why I have a I struggle with like getting

past things or doing things or growing to some some degree but like it also helps me like you

I'm the guy that can like really fuck up and be out of line and be disrespectful or be too much

and then the next day I'm fucking just distraught about it and I'm on an apology tour

sincerely you know what I mean and maybe you find that it's a waste of time yeah to be that way in

the first place right um and and it's like being well I don't know there's like an element of

danger there and like playing with it and be willing to push it and like forget about it or

oh this is my ex like drink like maybe it's never a good idea to then double down you know yeah I

gotta watch when I drink whiskey around certain people that after certain people bring a certain

conversation out of me totally and yeah where there's rapport there and like already some ongoing

common jokes and or you know like inside jokes or even a little bit of like you know

a little bit of uh I wouldn't say trauma is a bad word the word to use but like maybe there's been

some things that we were still in the process of working amongst a group of us and that one person

when I see them it reminds me of all the things that's going on in there yeah some unresolved

then a couple whiskies in I'm like you know what's really pissing me off about that that other dude

in our group yeah because he's the person I could talk to about it because he understands you know

and it just feels like yeah trying to untie knots when you're deep into the sauces and that it's

it's not the time to do it yeah and and dude I'm guilty of getting carried away more than

not once not twice like several times you know and that's a good analogy trying to untie knots

when you're deep in the sauce yeah there you go that's a sticker dude we'll use that one later

yeah that's a good one I like it and so what do you like what's you know as we move into 26 here

I mean we're literally it's Monday of the second week of 26 dude and so much has happened already

like it's so crazy I was uh I keep talking to him to my team and like to Dan our regional

shout out to Dan Thatcher the man yeah it's been trippy dude I've been looking forward to

the summit and then like back to back parts and labor for like almost two months and and like

the getting through the holidays which was like intentionally like having obsessed over it I needed

to like okay I need it I need a break yeah this is a mentally taxing probably it was a lot and it

like generated like a little bit of a emotional rollercoaster you know and but I like intentionally

put a lot of pressure on on on the summit mainly you know to like I need to come back out of this

like renewed and inspired and ready to continue yeah which in hindsight it really did mainly

because I got to connect with a lot of the folks that I already had a connection with and we get

to progress it and like evolve it and move it along and then coming to parts and labor it was

the first event we got to execute now with Biltwell and that that thing alone and like

accomplishing that monumental for for myself for the brand everything everyone around it

and to be in the room in that hall whatever you call it and like it being palpable and like

feeling like oh everyone's fucking looking yeah this is happening yeah this is so sick

and at that point like we show up after a week of travel and long nights and like connecting

with the team over there I'm running on fucking fumes and over stimulation homie like Saturday

was intense and incredibly productive and we barely scratched the surface

and Sunday I was spent like I could like I had to step out a few times you know because the hang's

huh you know and we did the thing dude and like I put myself there intentionally and

there was just taxing dude and like that was yesterday today's Monday we had a good ass day and

like what's next dude I don't know but there's a the conversation is ongoing and and and the

conversation extends now to more and more people with like a common goal and a lot of value

on the table and we got to convert yeah we got a I think I'm confident that we will and and it'll

just continue in this in this path that's productive and fun and yeah tiger blood yeah tiger

and if you know you know yeah yeah I think it's gonna be a good year man I think that you know

I think Taylor we were all talking about it last night at Denny's it was just like

you know last year was a rough one for me it's it's crazy that every year it's

some of the best opportunities and best things that happen to me happen during the roughest times

and it makes it really hard to say last year was the fucking worst but that's that's lazy it is

that's that's that's as difficult as it was to like put like assume that you've gone through the worst

yeah it's so dumb dude it's so fucking stupid it's like a challenge to the yeah right like come on

man like like oh you want more of that you know it's it's really what you're asking for uh-huh

but I think that you know prospectively and at the age I'm at now it's like I don't look at it as

like the worst year of my life I look at it as like the challenges that that life showed me that

exist is making me rethink how I need to grow and evolve this year so that those things are just

like small tasks yeah you know what I mean and you know I'm still steady growing this podcast

growing the YouTube stuff that we're trying to do and further the skills and fabrication and

customizing bikes it's just a gambit of things that like I want to maintain but also have progression

in but also like I didn't travel much on the bike last year and that's probably one of my bigger

goals to get back out there and be more on the road but also like you know like also find a way to

you know have my wife involved more and so being on the road that's going to be a new

uh not a familiar place to get back to but also somewhere that I hope that I can implement

more with her well that's that's again that intention to make because you know over the

weekend you've expressed first and foremost the gratitude of of this benchmark moment you know

in your career and it's in your artistry and your path and yours all of that and looking for how to

make that exciting genuinely because you did a lot on those platforms and we'll call them modern

bikes that maybe more intentionally than subconsciously you're looking to how to make this exciting for

you and to include your wife in any kind of way shape or form I think is I mean we're getting to

each other better and like that makes the fucking most sense out of yeah a lot of the stuff that we've

you know connected on already you know yeah we you know I was kind of talking to the fueling guys

we you know once we finished that podcast earlier this morning and that was kind of the thing it's

like to say that I'm not excited about this bike or to find what I'm passionate about is an accurate

term but not in a sense of like I'm not appreciative it's more like okay well now now I get a chance

to be back on a modern bike and I have a recipe that I figured out on the previous body style

which would still pretty much work on this body style but for the sake of like really wanting to

make this all feel new it's like I'm trying to find I'm trying not to not to do what I know to do

and to put things on the table like the color combinations I've been talking about all weekend

or trying to find a way to remove certain things about the way parts are you know seeing what I

can create myself seeing how I can integrate certain parts together yeah so I'm I think and I

had a great conversation with like Oliver from the cut rate about this because he also got me him

and I wish I'd sorry I didn't get a chance no it's okay again it'll happen yeah and

you know talking with him and he's one of my Mount Rushmore bike builders so

being able to nerd out with him in his booth for an hour and a half about you know express kind of

like my thoughts of what I want to try to figure out and for him to listen and suggest things and

whatnot but also for him to tell me like his direction yeah I mean it it made me more excited

about it you know what I mean and that was the goal the whole time you know and and and how special

and like really to have the ability to bring you out here and then share this weekend together dude

like I'm fucking so pumped you know because I knew I knew we'd deepen like our relationship

I knew it was going to be good for the brand and I ultimately hope that it'd be good beneficial

for you and not just like beneficial you know well you know if we land that one deal you know

here in 27 I think it would be a pivotal moment I don't see I was and I talked to a few people

from my team about it and dude it's gonna happen I just don't see a world where it doesn't yeah

it's what makes the most sense what I will I will I be hardbroken if it didn't

again I don't I don't think it won't like it's gonna happen you know it's not even it's almost

like not even an option like I can't put myself to like it would be bummed but I wouldn't be the

only one bummed about it yeah that's what makes it so much more pressing yeah well I think I think

both parties are interested in I think it's just a matter of time and like I said as people find

out what you guys are about more in a face-to-face open-minded conversation I think it helps all

the people come on board with what you guys got going on I'm okay with the fact that it took four

years to have the conversations we did I'm fucking perfectly fine with it and now that we did like

we have a little bit of time to work on on the relationship and then figure it out why it is

going to happen you know yeah that I'm I'm ready for it dude yeah it'll be good man and it'll

it'll solidify things here in California and Texas for people that might be wondering how

like a little Easter egg there but you know it's just a and that and honestly it feels good on my

end to be able to do that to you know I have I have a vast amount of people that I've met over

these years and you know being able to put people together is a true I don't know it's just it feels

good you know we talked about that it feels good to to find commonalities between two people of

needs wants desires and help them come together to to meet a goal you know connecting dots is is a

I think like a natural thing that some people have the ability to do and then when you not run out

but like some of those become less apparent and and if that that in it of itself is a surge and

now you're looking for dots to connect that's when you start like working out that muscle yeah you

know and the networks broaden and the circles like overlap it's it's dope I mean it's sick man like I

said I have every intention to come in the parts and labor again next year driving out here bringing

the bike because I want to be able to roll the chop around have some good times on it put it in

the show talk about it like yeah I want to have a booth out here I've yeah I've not done the booth

thing much only in Texas and if I can bring my Texas vibe out here which I don't know if I could

but if I can I think it'd be the version that'll be here we'll end up here next year yeah you know

hundred percent so and that version maybe doesn't exist is because it's not 20 27 parts and labor

yeah yeah yeah 100% yeah I gotta figure out my version for for Born Free Texas yeah first things

first so yeah mama you know not mama tribe but nitty gritty and the other events that we're

gonna do this year but yeah hopefully I'm optimistic man this is a good start to the year

good opportunities on the table lots of great great conversations that has taken place over

this whole weekend that I think is going to open doors to help make make it all happen make this

year you know where it needs to be and and help us climb out of this little metaphoric hole that

we were in last year you know and so I'm stoked man that's important dude let's keep it moving all

right a lot tiger San Diego guys right here this dude's changing the game appreciate all the

everything it's been a good one man appreciate it oh yeah I hope you guys enjoyed that and

please give my man Gabe a follow also we didn't really talk about it much but he has a pretty cool

brand he's been launching called nbd cycles no big deal cycles there's a link to it down in the

description if you want to give it a follow on instagram and support my man a great dude

he's literally out there supporting every bit of San Diego county every brand every person

so give him a little love back you guys enjoy these podcasts I appreciate it if you check out

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them out see if there's anything you could use I appreciate it it's kind of a it's kind of

dreary here in Dallas right now we've I've been locked in the house for the last four days from

I guess what they're calling snowmageddon and I think today's going to be the first day that

it breaks up and we're able to get back out and move around so looking forward to

getting back to my normal life I hope you guys are staying warm across the country

and we'll catch you on the next episode all right peace

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