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Welcome to the Under the Hood Show.
We are glad to have you with us.
Russ Evans is here to answer your automotive questions.
Thanks for joining us under the hood.
Shannon Nordstrom is here to do the same.
Welcome, buddies.
Thanks for tuning in so we can help you tune up.
I'm Chris Carter here to answer your calls at 866-594-4150.
866-594-4150.
What has caught your attention in the automotive world?
Russ is grabbing a note.
I don't know if that had anything to do with it.
That was just another note he was grabbing.
If you were looking at him.
His note is this.
It says, Shannon, you go first.
It is out.
The note says, all right.
How did you know?
Right now, obviously, with world events,
people are paying attention to fuel prices.
Again, they're triggering this all over the media
to make us realize it.
And it's real.
When you get to the pump, it's like, okay,
something changed here all of a sudden.
So it'll be interesting with all the ebbs and flows
we talk about in the market.
Everybody celebrates the lows.
And like anything in your life,
you always remember the highest high when something isn't good.
So it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out
for the automotive sales.
We watched people continue to drive their big SUVs,
clear up to $5 a gallon or $4 a gallon
or whatever it might happen to be.
I just curious, where's the reaction point?
I don't think it's there yet.
And I don't think it's going to be.
I think it's going to be a short-term thing, I hope.
You just said something that made me think.
You said, people always remember the highest high.
Chris could look it up.
He could figure it out.
We can't.
We don't have any computers over here.
But in my mind, I think for...
We'd have to say something.
Gosh, would we just pick one of them?
Let's say diesel because there's only one graded diesel.
It's all the price.
In my mind, the highest high I can think of
anytime ever that I've paid at a pump in this state,
I think was $540 a gallon.
Now, maybe Chris could look that up
and maybe he'll find a national thing.
When I paid that here, though, I was also traveling.
I traveled to Texas and I paid almost $7.
It was like just $6.99 because I couldn't believe...
I can still picture in my mind how fast that pump was going
when I was using that.
How fast the pump was going or how fast the dollars were going?
I used the semi-pump.
But my truck's made for that.
So I put it in there and it was just going...
I couldn't believe it.
So I wonder, was that the highest it was?
Because that's the highest in my mind.
The lowest I ever paid wouldn't have really mattered.
We're old, right?
Yeah.
We were old enough to see them add the dollar to the beginning.
It was right.
It was before the buck.
We saw a lot of the stations get the...
They had to write it.
They had to draw or spray paint a dollar on the thing.
I remember when they saw the first one with the cut out for the dollar.
Oh my, oh, there's another digit.
Yeah.
And even going into the gas station,
the older gas stations that had the old pump
with the lever thing that you flipped down on the side
and they would go in and they would use the calculator
because they only went up to 99 cents.
So they'd say, okay, you got 6.2 gallons at one dollar and one cent.
And they'd have to add that in.
I just came back from Hawaii and in Maui,
we had to fill the rental car before we left.
And it was...
I bought the lowest grade because it was not my vehicle.
There you go.
Did I say that out loud?
No, it was the right grade for the vehicle too.
It was a Jeep Wrangler with a four cylinder.
And should we guess, Chris?
Guess the color of the...
Yeah, it's a pretty easy guess, I think.
But I had...
There was three to choose from.
They're all the same color.
There's your clue.
But 478 is what I paid at Maui going before we went back to the airport.
And that's pretty typical for...
I actually thought that wasn't crazy for being out on an island.
And for the...
And the one close to the airport.
Those are usually...
I was 20 miles out.
Okay.
I wasn't like right next to it.
Okay.
There's one...
A lot of places, they don't build them there anymore.
Yeah, there's one gas station in Florida on the road you take to the airport.
It's the last gas station and it's always the highest price.
Every time.
By 20 cents or what do you think?
At 80 cents.
Oh, wow.
It used to be that way at DFW.
And then when we went in there, you're like,
do you need to get gas?
I'll get it before we get there.
There's like eight gas stations there now within a quarter mile.
There was just one for years and it was always way higher.
My wife would say, you gotta get gas.
I started looking at the rental car what they charge sometimes.
And a couple of times it wasn't that far off.
I'm like, I'm not going out of my way.
We did the same last time.
I'm just gonna pay because it was in the grand scheme of things.
It was like six dollars.
Yeah.
You know, difference.
Exactly.
That's the last time.
As long as they are accurate about what they...
Yeah, that's...
Yeah, for sure.
We had to put 22 gallons in.
What?
A Honda Civic?
How many did you fill?
Eight, six, five, nine, four.
Four, one, five.
Oh, let's talk to Jacques.
You're on the end of the hood show, Jacques.
What can we do for you?
Yes, I just want to tell you guys, thank you.
I'm doing great at Jiffy Lube.
I'm...
All right.
I'll flip the shot right now.
I want to say Russ, I think he's the one that said,
I'm going to see a lot of different cars.
And one of the cars that gave me the most problem
is the Cadius.
Yeah.
The oil filter right up front.
Oh.
And it's just so tight I can't...
You can't.
Yeah, that a Cadius one were for listeners.
I just was wait, listeners.
These two are going to have a moment together.
For listeners, if you have an Acadia or that body style
and you're changing the oil, well, first you drain the oil
out of the bottom, but then a person has to be on top
to reach down between the radiator and the engine,
which is hotter than heck because they just drove it in.
It's a quick loop.
And you have to take that filter off while hot oil
burns your hand and runs down under the car now
and makes a mess.
And the customer's always saying,
it's dripping on my floor.
There must be a leak.
No, there's not.
It's just the way they designed it.
So you got to have a rag stuffed in there.
And then you have to lift the oil filter out of that hole,
put a new one down through the same hole
and tighten it up without being able to see where it goes.
Isn't that fun?
You think there would be something to make a remote relocation kit?
Right.
Dormin, are you listening?
There you go.
Yeah.
So I learned the hard way.
So I kind of burnt my arm.
And they say, Jack, you've got to use one of those heat gloves
to put on there.
That engine is hot.
And you can't get your hand in there.
It's too big.
No, it's not.
Yeah, because we've got to have a 15-minute time
around just to go back.
I kind of went over to 21 dealing with that oil filter.
That's probably going to be the one of the hardest ones
you're going to find.
It still amazes me knowing cars the way I do
that sometimes it takes me two or three minutes
to find an oil filter on one.
If I hadn't done it in the last six or eight months,
I'm like, where do they put the oil filter?
I'm looking all over.
It's like, well, maybe it's on top.
And I let the car down and I look on the top.
No, it's not there.
I'm looking again.
It's got to be here.
Oh, it's right there in front of me.
It's been there the whole time.
It's covered in dirt because we get all the snow and slush.
So it's...
Everything looks the same underneath.
I'm not colored bright anymore.
It's usually blue or orange or white, but nope.
It just blends right in and it's behind the shield.
Well, Jack, you got to make sure that you are not the one
that causes some of the insurance claims that we see.
Driving into the pit.
Just real quick.
This is going to be interesting to listeners, I hope.
What are your guys's safeguards?
What are your double checks that you do to make sure
that it doesn't happen that you have somebody leave there
with a no fill?
What's the systems that you have in place there
to make sure it doesn't happen?
Well, we always have to double check.
I'm upper bay tech.
My lead tech always come right behind me to double check,
make sure everything is tight.
So is there an audible tight blow?
I mean, do you have cues that you do?
I hear him saying stuff when I haven't went to one for a while.
No, but what do you do?
Yes, we do.
Okay, so when we come in, we'll say signature service,
bay one, bay two, and bay three, depending on what bay we're pulling in.
So after everything and I tell him clear to drain, bay one,
he gets a drain, since it's the top oil filter,
I deal with that part.
Then we'll signature off back again and I'm clear to add.
Clear to add.
Since I'm upper bay, I got to add the oil.
You know, stuff like that.
Yep, but it's verbal cues because when I've listened to a couple of them,
you can just tell there is a definite system
that I'm assuming it's mandatory to avoid bad problems.
Because if you guys don't get the plug back in tight
or you don't get the oil in, you got a big problem.
Yes, yes, because I did, I did a party
of the day, somebody had double gasses and we can check and see who does that.
Since I have to sign off on the oil filter
and type in my initials and stuff like that.
And we can go back and see who had did that oil filter.
Interesting.
I see that a lot.
It goes off and everything.
But people may not know what double gasketed means.
What happens is if you take an oil filter off the car,
sometimes the rubber gasket, the O-ring that's stuck to the old filter,
sticks to the car because somebody put it on without oiling the surface first.
They put it on dry.
So when you take it off, it sticks to the car and not to the filter.
And if you don't look at the filter,
They give you a filter and they say,
well, I never had a rubber.
And then you put the new filter on and now it's got two gaskets.
Sometimes if you're lucky, it'll seal and it's fine.
I've pulled a number of them off over the years and went,
I check the surface every time.
And I'm like, oh, there's two gaskets on there already.
Like that's weird.
So that's what happens there.
And it can be a huge leak if that thing pops out of there.
That's awesome.
Well, thanks for calling in.
I mean, we had a, that was good to talk about what you're doing.
It's a, it's a great deal that you're doing.
It's important to a lot of people and you save them a lot of time
in their lives to do something that needs to be done.
So be proud of what you're doing.
Thanks for calling, Jack.
Okay.
Okay.
Thank you, guys.
Take care.
And now it's open.
Now he's on his way.
Yeah.
I like that.
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Let's talk to Chris here on the end of the hood show.
Chris, what can we do for you?
How are we doing?
Fantastic.
Yep.
Say I have a 23 RAM, 2500 with a 64 ME.
And I have had this active tune, math module show up on the dash and the vehicle shake.
And then it goes away.
What, it says that on the dash?
Yep.
Like, you know, your instrument panel.
And it says active tune, math module temporarily unavailable.
I have never.
And then it'll go back off.
So it just comes on, comes on intermittently.
No check engine light?
And I've taken a picture.
No, no check engine light.
I've taken pictures of it.
And I've taken it to our wonderful dealer.
And they can't seem to figure out what's wrong with it.
I now have, I just hit 50,000 miles.
I've had it since it was brand new.
And it has done it the entire time.
And anytime I have anybody ride in the vehicle with me,
they're like, man, what's that awful vibration?
And I said, oh, it's just a RAM.
And you're, let's see, three years.
Are you still on the edge of warranty or are you out now?
No, I'm still on the edge of warranty.
And they just can't seem to figure it.
I'll take it in and they can't find it.
And they can't find out what's wrong with it.
And I want to know, is it common to have this, like, of course I Googled it like you Google
everything that claims that Porsche designed this mass module that's supposed to keep the
engine from vibrating the chassis of some kind.
Well, RAM has it in their truck and you can be cruising down the road.
And my, and my steering wheel and entire truck, it's actually kind of, it's hard on your ears.
So here's, I have to say, let me interrupt you for a second.
Chris has got thoughts.
You should watch the show on our YouTube channel because
I can't think, I'm sure there's been a time, but right now I cannot think of another time
where you guys have looked at each other the way you're looking at each other right now.
I can't, I don't.
Never, ever heard of this of the, I've heard about the vibration dampers.
Yeah, but as far as the RAM doing this, here's the thought though.
How many times have you been back to the dealer for this exact problem?
You've been back three or four times already?
Uh, three to five times.
Okay.
And I had a starter go out and it said, while you were fixing the starter,
why don't you figure out what's wrong with that?
Ask the tune mass module.
How do we get a chance?
So that's been documented now probably four, at least four or five times that they've tried
to repair it for the same thing and haven't been able to.
Yep.
And it's under warranty.
Yep.
What state are you in?
I'm in Sioux Falls.
You're in South Dakota.
Okay.
I would, I would look into what your options are because if you've taken a vehicle that is under
a factory warranty or now also, are you the original owner?
Did you purchase it brand new?
Yep.
All right.
Yep.
Now, now I hope you see where I'm going.
You're going to, you're, you need to look at this and it has nothing to do with your local dealer.
The documenting of it, of what's going on does and they've done everything they can,
which is the, the right thing they can do and everything they can do.
But now this elevates to a manufacturer level.
And I would strongly suggest before it falls out of warranty that you follow up on that
because you might be entitled to something, something because if they, if they make an
attempt to fix it and it doesn't fix it and it's the exact same thing, a check engine light
doesn't count because there can be literally a thousand different codes or options.
But this exact thing, my light is coming on.
It's doing this.
Nobody can figure it out and it's repeat.
Were they able to replicate it?
And nobody else has heard of this.
I have never heard of this.
Nobody's called.
Nobody's hinted about it.
I'm headed to Brookings right now and it's going to do it.
I can feel it.
I can honestly tell you when it's going to do it and it's going to do it here in a couple of miles.
Record it on your phone too.
At the very least, they are going to get an engineer from Ram down touching your truck
to figure out what's going on because that is the next step in this.
They will have that happen when I was at the dealership.
I had at least three engineers come in on at least three different vehicles
to try to figure out the problem and two of them, they figured out and they were just as
angry as techs are when they say, who designed this?
But one of them was purchased back under a lemon law because they couldn't figure it out.
And that was a Thunderbird, one of those new style Thunderbirds when they first came out.
They just couldn't figure out what was going on with it.
So it does happen.
Occasionally, there's just something that's not feasible to fix in the amount of time that's
allowed.
The manufacturer only pays those dealers so much time to try to figure these problems out
and they only give them so much help that they know the next step of help is to get the engineer
involved and let the engineer spend their time in money.
I did ask the question, but I was talking over other people.
But have they been able to replicate the problem at the dealer?
That not as far as I know, no.
I think Russ' suggestion of videotaping.
I want to grab them.
I want to take you guys in the truck and say, look, it's going to take 229 is all I need.
It's five, six miles and it's going to do it.
Yeah, I think what Russ said is if you videotape when it comes on and say here,
I've driven 20 miles and it's coming on now, I can replicate this again tomorrow.
That's a good starting point.
It makes it a little more real.
If they can't replicate it, that's the other challenge.
We talk about that a lot on the show.
It doesn't mean it didn't happen, but if they can't replicate it, they don't know what they're
fixing or where to look.
Does that help you out there, Chris, with a little bit of-
I want to tell you real quick, I rented a car in San Diego in May of 24 and I paid 713 a gallon.
There you go.
There's a number.
That's a real number.
You paid all the taxes.
Chris, thanks very much for the call.
Good luck.
Let us know how that goes.
866-594-4150.
Let's go to Tereel in Mississippi.
You're on the end of the hood show.
Tereel, what can we do for you?
Yeah, I got a 2022 year to rent though.
I'm trying to figure out if you're a real assistant man or a hot pressure field for a man.
What is going on?
You're in perfect around a row by five miles and I'm losing a hot pressure field for a pressure.
I'm looking at it on the cancer and I can just get it off and bring it back up and
it's everybody's buying it.
And I got a cold P.O.191-85.
I'm going to give you some definition of that.
But it's dealing with Tereel versus Mississippi.
Yeah, out of range.
I don't just have to figure it out.
You know, the assistant man, they can just send the wrong signature to the ECM and send it down.
Or I could have a bad Tereel phone and try to figure out which one.
Well, what we know about these cars, the fuel pumps, I have not had to put a fuel pump on
the Kia or Hyundai engine with this high pressure fuel pump model.
I have had to install at least a dozen fuel rail pressure sensors on these cars.
So I would lean towards the sensor.
The pumps and all the high pressure rail pumps I've seen,
I don't believe I've ever seen one where it would lose its high pressure,
you shut the car off and start it back up and it'd be fine.
I have seen the fuel rail pressure sensor though fail, you shut the car off,
it resets for a second, you start it up and then it's fine.
And you could continue to do that.
So I would lean more towards the rail pressure sensor than the actual pressure.
The only way to measure it is to unscrew the rail pressure sensor,
get a high pressure measuring device meter in there between the sensor and there to find out
for a fact what it is.
But most shops don't have a sensor that'll measure thousands of pounds.
Tereel, thanks very much for the call.
Good luck. 866-594-4150.
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today. BerkeleyOneClassics.com. I got a message from a listener that says they have a CNC machine.
I should get one. The smaller one. Did they invite you over? I got some ideas. Let's go.
I want to get a, and then the laser cut. He's got, he's just got a laser cut. I'm, I'm, I'm,
I, the only thing is that the, all the things I want to do are just things I just want one of.
Like, oh, if I could do that, that'd be neat, but there's no benefit to it.
The, the sucky thing for me is you, you all, your whole life, you work with all this stuff.
You've, you know, people that have things at big shops and stuff, but it's not like it's a free
for all the work on it. When you finally get to the age where you could afford a few of those
things and retire and you put all that stuff in your shop or you can do those things. Now, you
only got a few years left to enjoy those things and then you're dead or you're too old to use them.
So you're like, oh, do you even, do you even get them? But it's like, you know, your buddies are
like, boy, I wish we had these when we were young. It's like, well, here we are now. It's like,
what do you want to build? Well, nothing. I'm too old. Like a pool table. With a CNC machine.
Kids move out, you get a pool table and then there's, and then you're like,
huh, I got a pool table. Let's, I'm thinking I want to move one in now after the kids are gone.
Of course you do, but they're, but that you won't use it because you won't have anyone to play with.
There you go. You'll just be like, ah, now, now I have the pool table.
He never invites us over. Have the, have the, I had, I put in the ping pong table. I thought
that would be fun. But all I did was destroy my children in ping pong. I was undefeated.
Are you, are you Marty Supreme? I'm that good. Yeah. Yes. I am. I am that good at ping pong.
Have you watched that movie yet? No, not yet. I haven't either.
866. That's a challenge, by the way. Anyone?
Ricky Bobby at ping pong. Yeah. 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Don in Pennsylvania. Don,
you're on the end of the hood show. What can we do for you?
Hey guys, long time listener and becoming a normal caller here on the show. Indeed.
This is a 2008 Chevy Tahoe, the million dollar Tahoe. So after I talked to you guys,
I was going down the road and the engine started getting louder and louder.
And I took it to a shop and here my manifold bolts broke the heads off of them, not all of them,
but about six. Yep. Common. Very common. Yes. Wow.
Bolts get hot. Bolts cool down. Bolts get really brittle. It's like Ben and a coat hanger. Every
time they heat up and cool down, they start to get ready to break and the manifold starts to warp
with age. And as it heats up and cools down, it can bend a lot and combining bending that manifold
with brittle bolts, they start snapping off. And if you're lucky, you can pull the manifold and
screw those babies right out. But in a lot of cases, we have to weld
to them, weld nuts to them and screw them out or drill them and tap the holes. It's quite a thing.
There is a reason that you can go to advance auto parts and ask for a set of dormant manifold
hardware. They wouldn't sell that hardware if they didn't have a problem and they did not sell this
years ago when we had like small block Chevys, you just go get a 3816 bolt and put in there,
but now they're different. This is a common failure. So when you can walk into a part store and say,
do you carry these? And they kind of snicker. Yeah, we got them. And they just walk back and
grab them off the shelf because they've got a lot of them. I think on the Dorman repair too,
they also make a retro to kind of hold the manifold if the stud gets broken. On the ends. If it's
a clamp device, it uses a bolt that goes into the spare hole in the head for the accessory in the
back, and then it's got a bolt that screws in from the front and pushes on that manifold to keep it
from popping on the ends because that's where it starts. And where's that at? It bolts to the ends
of the head. If you look up, I think they call it a manifold saver kit is what Dorman calls it.
But if you go into advance auto parts, they are going to tell you, if you say, I'm looking
that for that little thingy bobber, you know, that goes on the end of the manifold to keep it from
coming out when the bolts break. It's not a factory thing. I know exactly what it is,
and they'll hook you up with that. It does almost feel when it's warmed up.
But the garage made a suggestion, do you think I'd be better off running shorty headers on that
compared to a manifold? No, they will leak. I'll bet you if you put them on, they'll be great.
The first day you put them on, as long as they go on right the first time,
but after they're on there for a year, you're going to have a problem. The bolts
continue to come loose on those things as they stretch with age. They're not actually coming
loose or just stretching a little bit. So then then they'll have to be tightened. And it's an
ongoing thing with those. So I would not suggest that the best way to fix those we have found is
just putting on a set of manifolds. On a small block of the 5.3, the LS style engines, we have
not done them a second time. If we've ever had to put a set of manifolds on with new hardware,
we've only had to do it once. And we'll use the Dorman manifolds on those. They sell everything.
They sell the manifold and they sell the bolts separate. They do come with the bolts for the
manifold to the pipe. And they build them stronger too. They build that factory manifold with a
warping. Because Dorman, what they're doing is they're taking a factory problem and making an OEM
fix. So it's an OEM fit, but they try to fix the problem this week. You can always see the problem
in an OEM part that when it fails, you can look at it and say, oh, if they would have just made
this stronger. It's like saying, oh, in the forward, why didn't they just make a better oil system on
the 5.4? So we didn't have the problem with the phaser end of it. Well, how do they do that? In
the aftermarket engines, like the ones that we do, they put cam bearings in the top of the head
instead of just aluminum saddles that would wear different lifters, different oil pump,
different phasers that all take a different amount of oil. So they fixed it. So anytime you can look
at a failure in a factory and fix it, you're engineering it. Don, thanks very much for the
call. Good luck. 866-594-4150. Let's talk to Bruce. You're on the end of the hood,
show Bruce. What can we do for you? Hi. I've got an 08-4-150. It's got the 5.4 engine in it.
And like Russ was just talking about there with the cam phasers, I think I have a problem with that.
Darn. What makes you think you have a problem? Tell us what's going on.
Well, I just bought the truck and it ran fine and then it got warmed up good.
You know, it drove us about 30 miles and then it started to mist and clattering.
And so I shut it off and stuff there. I'd just gotten home with it. And so I didn't know exactly
what was going on. But I dumped the oil on it and I've got a lot of plastic filings that came into
the oil pan. So I'm assuming I'm losing the tensioner or something up front.
The guides, that's where your plastic is in that engine, the tensioner shoes and the guides. So
slapping around, it's eating up the guides. So you know, at that, how many miles are on it?
180, sir. Okay. This would be more of a candidate for a replacement engine than a repair. If it had
it like, let's say between 100 or anything less than 150, I would say this would be a pretty good
candidate to put a lockout kit in it where you just remove all that stuff from the front
and you put on your new chains to fix the ones that are worn and then you put a lockout kit
in which eliminates your phasors. And then that thing could keep going a long way yet. But with
the miles you have on it, if the truck's still in nice shape, the trucks are still selling for good
money when they've had updates. So I would say put an engine in it. When you bought the truck though,
you bought it as a good running truck, you hoped, obviously. Right. And how many miles have you put
on it? Not very many, about 40, 50 miles is all. This is not uncommon. I would have to bet that
probably half of all the engines and transmissions that we install in our shop, the people tell us
I haven't owned the car more than a few months. And most of the time we look at it and we'll tell them
there's no way anybody could have known this was going to happen. It was a sudden failure
and there was no way around it. But there is a small percentage that we know for a fact
somebody had to have known about this. And where Bruce just said, I just bought a 08 Ford pickup,
there was probably somebody else saying, I just sold my 08 Ford pickup.
This what he has, if it's to the point now where once it's thoroughly warmed up, it makes that noise,
unless a tensioner gave way, because we don't usually see the plastic in the oil on these,
usually the phasers are acting up first. So unless a tensioner gave way, that could have been an
immediate problem that just occurred now when you owned it. There is a possibility though,
if it's been the phaser issue, it's been doing it for some time. It could have been
six months. But I think from what you're telling me about plastic in there though,
sounds to me like it probably just had a little loose in the timing components
and something broke. And you may have just got the luck of the draw that it just happened after
you bought it. Because we don't see plastic. Is there a danger of that plastic getting into
the main bearings and stuff? Well, it's already getting, if you're getting it draining it,
it's already getting into the pickup screen of the oil pump. So it's going to clog it.
And you'll see that when the oil light starts to flash when you're driving it.
It'll start blinking a little bit. Do you know somebody that is handy with some pretty solid
mechanical repairs? Or is this something you're going to have to pay somebody to do or what's
your path that you think forward? Well, I'm not sure. It's up there. I was thinking about getting
it fixed. I priced it at one place. They were talking about like $2,500. Was that to do with
timing set, a new timing set? Yeah, I assume the phaser too. Yeah, I think I'm going to repeat what
Russ said. You could have the situation where that truck has been well cared for and for whatever
reason the timing chain got loose. And now that it's loose, it's kicking around in there and it's
beating up that plastic and it's putting it into the S-Srapnel. If it ran good before that and it's
still holding and they do a manual oil pressure test on it and it's still holding good oil pressure,
you might investigate that because that $25 could be well spent. But if the oil pressure
is starting to drop and it's low, then you're better off not spending the money would be our
advice. And then you tell yourself it was a catastrophic thing that happened by chance to
just make yourself feel better. Let's make it feel better. Yeah. And if there's anybody you
bought it from, you could ask about this. You might just ask them. Yeah. Bruce, thanks very much
for the call. Good luck. That's a tough situation. 866-594-4150. That's the number to reach us here
at the Under the Hood Show. Let's go to Alabama and talk to Andy. You're on the Under the Hood
Show. Andy, what can we do for you? My daughters and I are restoring our old Jeep here and
made a lot of great progress. Getting ready to do the, I rebuilt the engine, I finished that,
but we're getting ready to break in the engine. It's a flat tappet, cam, hydraulic lifters,
four-liter engine. And I know you guys rebuild a lot of engines or you install a lot of rebuilt
engines. So I'm just wondering, what are some good best practices when you're doing that at
break-in? I just want to make clear. This has been your Jeep and you're redoing a Jeep you own.
Correct. Okay. I just don't want any surprise. I always feel better. And I want to clarify
something that, certain words you catch and just kind of hook onto it and then your mind has to
connect to the situation and you're like, does that make sense? Am I getting older? But restoring
a 97 Wrangler? Yeah. I think I just got old. Yeah, right there. That's 30 years old.
Yeah. That caught my attention. That'd be like doing a 1960 when you first started.
Wouldn't have been that long ago, so they call in and say, I need to fix my 97 Wrangler. Right.
They're restoring it. Right. That's fun. That's awesome. Well, when you're working with those
flat tappet cam engines, we've seen local experiences where people put a lot of money into
stuff and then had problems because they didn't put the right oil in or follow a good break-in
procedure. I think the oil is the biggest thing to make sure it's got the zinc in it. It's got the
ZDDP in it and the right package in it for sure. Right. You're either going to have to use something
like a Joe Gibbs racing oil, which already contains a high amount of the zinc additive in it, or you're
going to have to use a over-the-counter zinc additive that is put into the oil. Remember the
other day I texted you and said, can I use this in my... And we talked about that. I was at the
store when I texted you that. There's about 740 zinc different additives.
Did you count them all? Yeah. I think it's about 740. I stopped around there. There's a lot.
And they're readily available. He's exaggerating. Yes. I am exaggerating, but not by like two.
This looks like a Joe Azuzu commercial. He's exaggerating. Nobody knows who Joe Azuzu is.
I do. I still remember. We do. Is he dead now? No, he's still alive. Three different times we've
done this. I know. At least 740 times. I don't remember the answer though. We've got to...
You've got to have an additive in there. You're going to... If you don't put anything in there,
you just put... Let's say you just put the 530 oil in it, fire it up, you're going to destroy it.
That Jeep engine used to be indestructible. And then we found out pretty quickly they weren't...
They've got to have that additive in... I think that's... Didn't we run into that though? I mean,
that engine was used starting in like 1990? Yeah. And all of a sudden... When they had an older back
than that and the AMC's are different. We had people with engines with 300,000 miles and people
with 30,000 miles and all within about a five month period. Seemed like it. They were all dying.
They were like, well, that's when they started becoming more popular in this short period of
time. We're like, why are all these engines failing and no matter the miles on them?
Top end planters. And then we're like, oh, this oil. We found out the government...
The government's push to get certain things removed from the oils and the gasolines and the diesel
fuel all hit at about that time. So the oils changed and the vehicles started developing issues,
which meant now you had to put these additives in. There was an inflection point that wasn't
kind to some vehicles on the road. Right. And same thing with diesel trucks with injection pumps
starting to go bad back in about 2007 when they started having some changes and fuels. And we're
like... And then, of course, did we know about it or did we not know about it? I missed the
memo that said you better start putting additives in. I think we paid attention to it more for the
fuel because they made such a big deal about the low sulfur diesel. They put it in the pump,
but I still didn't know what it meant until after people started having problems and I
started looking it up. And my question was, if you have to put an additive in the fuel
to prevent the problem, how does the additive do for pollution versus not putting the ultra
low sulfur? And I don't know. I suppose it's offset with the millions of trucks built to
run without the additive, but we're finding they're really not built to run without the additive.
They're still having problems. That's why HodgeHot Secret is selling hundreds of thousands of gallons
of everyday diesel treat to fix the problem. So Andy, we kind of went off on the oil there.
You're probably looking for more. Yeah, that is a question. Well, we've answered his question.
That's the biggest thing. Well, let's ask, what's your driving going to be on this?
Is this a restored vehicle you're going to drive maybe 10,000 miles a year,
or is this going to be a daily driver for every one of these girls every day?
Probably just me chilling around. Yeah, 6,000 to 10,000 max.
Okay. You're going to jump it at all?
Duke's a hazard. Yeah, jump it.
That's where it makes a difference to me.
Taking some Alabama assumptions here. No, no, I'm making restored Wrangler assumptions.
I want to get that thing off a ramp. They don't jump well.
They were in Georgia, Duke's a hazard. I know, but just in the south.
I would say if I was going to be using this in that case more like a Berkeley classics type thing
than an everyday driver, I would probably use the Joe Gibbs racing oil in it all the time.
Just run it and not worry about additives, because you've already got the additives in
that oil. It's high zinc. It's made for this or another equivalent.
That's just one that's available at our level.
Some of those oils have other additives that are good for storage too.
Yeah. So look at that versus if I'm changing the oil every three months, 3,000 and putting
just regular 530 or whatever it's asking for and putting a can of additive in it every time.
What do you suggest for drive cycles when he starts it?
When he first gets to go on?
Oh, when he first starts it, it depends.
People have all kinds of opinions about this.
With the right oil in it, it shouldn't matter that much.
It's not like the old engines where we had to fire them up and run them at 1,500 RPM
for the first 20 minutes and shut them down, let them cool off and do.
We did so many things.
To seat the rings.
Yeah, we did a lot of stuff.
But now like this four liter, I think you'll be fine just to put the right oil in it and run it.
Look at all the remands we put in.
We put in lots of these and we put the right oil in it and run them no problems.
Does that could help you out there, Andy?
That does.
Yeah. Thank you very much, guys.
You bet.
If you put the racing oil in it, don't you drive it different?
It doesn't make it faster.
I know.
I know.
I know it doesn't.
But I would remember that just in the back of my head, I'd be.
We used to think that.
I would be honest.
The big tires make it go faster.
The louder exhaust always makes it go faster.
He can only ramp it with the right oil.
That's what I.
Yeah, you got to put that racing oil in it.
Next thing you know, you just a little bit, just getting the tires off.
That front axle will snap if you ramp that ring.
I'll tell you what, a quiet car with the right engine, even with small tires will far outpace
a car with a loud exhaust and big tires that has a poor engine in it any day.
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You drove a Wrangler when you were in Hawaii.
I did.
Did you ramp it?
Did you jump it?
No, but we, no, we took one road though to get up to our hiking spot that was,
I wish I could remember the name of it right now where we went, but it was
14 miles of complete 10 mile an hour twist and the last seven miles were gravel.
And so we were glad we had the Jeep Wrangler.
We actually, I put it in for all drive.
Were you a little nervous even?
No, my wife was sick of me turning back and forth and I was having too much fun doing it.
Yeah, yeah.
But it was, it was great.
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