Gen X vs Millenial vs Gen Z | Car Culture. Takeovers, EVs, Hypercars & Burble Tune
Very Vehicular · Jul 8, 2026
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Term
super cars
“Super cars” means extremely expensive, very fast, rare cars. The point here is that in some places you’ll see lots of them, and in other places you won’t.
Car
Dodge Srt
“Dodge” is the car brand being discussed. The speaker is talking about Dodge performance models, including an SRT version. They’re deciding which one to focus on for photos.
Car
Cobalt SS
The Chevrolet Cobalt SS is a sportier version of the Chevy Cobalt. People mention it because it’s a common “starter” performance car that many enthusiasts start with before upgrading.
Car
Honda Civic
The Honda Civic is a very common compact car. In car culture, it’s often the go-to car people see at meets, so it becomes a kind of local stereotype.
Topic
car spotting
Car spotting is basically hunting for cool cars you see in the wild and taking pictures. It’s a way to get into car culture without needing to own a super expensive car first.
Topic
takeovers
In car culture, “takeovers” usually refers to large, informal meetups where groups of cars gather and drive/park together in a public area, often with a social-media spotlight. They’re associated with a more organized, viral style of street-event culture than a casual car meet.
Term
hyper cars
“Hyper cars” are like supercars, but even more extreme—usually rarer and more high-tech. The speaker is saying they got into the most intense end of the car world.
Term
shooting flames
“Shooting flames” is when you see fire come out of the exhaust. It usually happens when the car is tuned and/or driven in a way that causes extra fuel to ignite in the exhaust.
Term
twin turbo
“Twin turbo” means the engine has two turbochargers. Turbos cram extra air into the engine so it can make more power.
Person
Michael Rigo
Michael Rigo is mentioned as a photographer whose pictures inspired the speaker. The speaker liked his photos of a dramatic twin-turbo car scene.
Brand
Hoonigan
Hoonigan is a car-culture brand/media that puts out videos and content about cars and driving. The speaker is saying it helped inspire them.
Term
pro charger
A ProCharger is a type of engine upgrade that forces extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, so it’s a common modification for faster, more exciting cars.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a famous American performance car. Here, they’re talking about taking photos of a Mustang that’s been modified for more power, which is a popular thing at car meets.
Term
Canon 20 D
That’s a specific Canon camera model. They’re using it to take pictures of fast-moving cars, where the camera settings help you capture the moment.
Term
shutter down
This is about camera settings. “Shutter down” means changing how long the camera lets light in, which changes whether moving cars look sharp or blurry.
Term
crest
A crest is the top of a hill or bump in the road. If a rally car hits it fast, the suspension can unload and the car can bounce or jump.
Term
WRC jump
WRC is the World Rally Championship—rally racing on rough roads. A “WRC jump” is when a rally car hits a bump or crest and launches into the air for a moment.
Term
rollers
“Rollers” are moving shots of a car—usually the car drives by so the camera can capture it in motion instead of parked.
Topic
Tokyo drift
“Tokyo drift” is a phrase people use for the drifting scene that became famous through movies and online car culture. It points to a style of driving where the car slides sideways on purpose.
Topic
F one
“F one” sounds like Formula 1, which is the highest level of race car competition. The point here is that big racing and social media help more people get interested in cars.
Term
hybrid system
A hybrid system means the car uses two kinds of power: a gas engine and an electric motor. It can switch between them or use both, depending on driving conditions.
Term
batteries
Here, batteries mean the big rechargeable pack in the car that stores electricity. That electricity helps the car move and affects things like weight and how the car feels when you accelerate.
Term
traction control
Traction control helps prevent your tires from spinning when you’re accelerating on slippery roads. If the car senses wheel spin, it will reduce power and may brake certain wheels to regain grip.
Car
Volkswagen Jetta
A “Mark four Jetta” is a specific generation of the Volkswagen Jetta from around the late 1990s to early 2000s. People often talk about it because it’s a common platform for modifications and it’s well-known in the enthusiast community.
Car
55 Chevy
The “55 Chevy” means a 1955 Chevrolet. It’s a famous old American car that many people picture when they think of “classic cars.”
Car
Chevrolet Nova
The Chevy Nova is a classic American car that people often associate with muscle cars and hot-rodding. Here it’s mentioned as an example of the older style of car culture the speaker likes.
Car
E 36 M three
The BMW E36 M3 is a famous 1990s BMW performance car. People like it because it feels very connected and driver-focused, especially compared to more modern, computer-heavy cars.
Term
analog raw cars
“Analog raw cars” means cars that feel more old-school and connected, where the driver can really feel what’s happening. The speaker is saying they like cars that don’t rely as much on computers to do the work.
Term
super light manual
The speaker is saying they like lightweight cars with a manual transmission. A lighter car is easier to move and steer quickly, and a manual lets you control the gears yourself.
Term
no ABS
ABS is a safety system that helps prevent the wheels from locking up when you brake hard. If a car has “no ABS,” it can be easier to lose control and slide.
Term
all wheel drive
All-wheel drive means the car can send power to both the front and rear wheels. That usually helps it grip better on wet or snowy roads.
Car
E 92
“E 92” refers to a BMW 3 Series model generation (the E92). People like it because it feels more like a driver’s car than a typical luxury sedan.
Term
manuals
“Manuals” means cars you shift yourself with a clutch and gear stick. The speaker is saying fewer new cars are being made with that option.
Concept
drifting
Drifting is when a driver intentionally makes the car slide sideways while still steering and controlling it. It’s a popular style in car culture and has its own fans and events.
Term
tire marks
Tire marks are the rubber streaks you see on the road after drifting. They show where the car slid and how hard it was pushing through the turn.
Term
smokers
“Smokers” is slang for drivers or cars that make a lot of smoke while drifting. The smoke usually comes from the tires spinning and getting hot.
Topic
Formula Drift
Formula Drift is a major professional drifting competition series in the U.S., known for structured events and judging. In this segment, it’s used as a reference point for where different drifting styles and event formats “live” within the broader drifting scene.
Term
street jammers
“Street jammers” refers to drifting events or groups that focus on street-style driving—often emphasizing showmanship, aggressive lines, and crowd energy rather than a strict professional judging format. It’s more about the vibe and driving style than a single standardized competition rule set.
Topic
final bout
“Final bout” sounds like a specific drifting event format. In this conversation, the speaker likes it because it features multiple cars drifting together in tandem.
Term
tandems
Tandems in drifting means two cars slide through the turn together. The second car tries to follow the first car closely and stay matched up.
Topic
D one Japan
“D one Japan” is a drifting event scene in Japan that the speaker thinks is currently the top one. They say it combines style with serious competition.
Term
backies
“Backies” is a drifting move that’s meant to look cool and be controlled. It’s basically a special way of setting up the slide, not just driving straight into the turn.
Person
Diego Sido
Diego Sido is a well-known professional drift driver. The host is saying he’s so good that he changed what drifting looks like, especially the amount of smoke and the style of the car.
Term
SC 431
“SC 431” sounds like a specific car setup or platform used for drifting. The host is saying Diego Sido showed up with that car and surprised everyone, but the exact car isn’t clear from this clip.
Term
pillow smoke era
“Pillow smoke era” is a nickname for a drifting style where the goal is huge, puffy smoke clouds. It’s about making the slide look extra dramatic.
Term
fenders
Fenders are the panels around the wheel area. Here, the host says they were cut to help the car create more smoke while drifting.
Person
James Dean
James Dean was a famous actor. People still connect him to car culture because his image became tied to the idea of a cool, rebellious driver.
Term
animal style
“Animal style” is a slangy car-culture way of saying a certain aggressive look and vibe. It usually means the car is meant to look wild and be driven hard, not just parked.
Term
mid corner
“Mid corner” means the middle part of a turn—after you’ve started turning but before you’re finishing and heading out. It’s when the car is usually working the hardest.
Term
exit
“Exit” is when you’re coming out of a turn. Good exit means you can straighten the car and accelerate effectively.
Term
side bite
“Side bite” is how well the tires grip when you’re turning hard. If the tires have more side bite, the car can slide less or slide more controllably.
Concept
cars don't need to make a thousand horsepower
They’re saying you don’t need an absurdly powerful car to have fun. The point is to have something you can actually drive and enjoy for a long time, not just a car built to impress online.
Term
manual versions
They’re talking about cars that come with a manual gearbox. That means you shift gears yourself, which many car people see as more fun and more engaging.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a muscle car from Chevrolet. It’s built to be fast and sporty, and it has a lot of fans. The podcast mentions a mid-2000s Camaro because it was widely seen through movies and TV.
Term
FT one concept
A concept car is a prototype/show vehicle that’s shown to tease what a brand might build next. The host is saying Nissan’s FT-One concept got huge excitement, but the real-world follow-through felt off.
Car
Toyota Gr86
The Toyota GR 86 is a fun, affordable sports car that’s designed to be easy to drive fast. The host likes it because you can really feel what the tires are doing, so it feels predictable and confidence-inspiring.
Term
front tire
The “front tire” is the tire at the front of the car that helps the car turn and stick to the road. The host is saying the GR 86 makes it easy to tell what the front tires are doing while you drive.
Car
a 90 Supra
The “A90 Supra” is the modern Toyota Supra generation. The host is saying they didn’t start out loving it as much, but now they like it more.
Term
manual one
“Manual” means you shift gears yourself using a clutch and gear stick. The host is saying they drove both the manual and automatic versions.
Term
auto one
“Auto” means the car shifts gears for you. The host is saying they drove the automatic version on a track to see how it performs.
Car
Toyota Gt86
The Toyota GT 86 is a small, fun sports car that’s meant to feel connected to the driver. People like it because it’s not overly complicated—just quick and engaging to drive.
Car
Chevrolet Corvette C8
The Chevrolet Corvette C8 is the newer Corvette with the engine in the middle of the car. The host is saying it’s a lot of performance for the money, and they’re considering buying one.
Term
slammed
“Slammed” means the car is lowered a lot so it looks very close to the ground. People do it for the look (and sometimes for driving feel).
Term
pop ups
“Pop-ups” means headlights that pop up from the front of the car instead of being fixed in place. The host is saying the C5 has that look, which makes it easier to build a certain style.
Term
stance car
A “stance car” is a car built to look extra low and aggressive. People usually change suspension and wheel fitment mainly for the look.
Term
LS swapped
“LS swapped” means the car was converted to use a GM LS V8 engine. People do it because the LS engines are popular, strong, and there are lots of parts and tuning options.
Term
autocross
Autocross is a competition where you drive a car through a cone-marked course, usually in a parking lot. It’s a way to test how well your car handles and how good you are at driving it.
Car
mini Cooper
A MINI Cooper is a small, sporty compact car made by the MINI brand. The hosts are using it as the benchmark car that someone claims they beat.
Concept
real track
A “real track” means an actual racing course designed for fast driving. It’s safer and more consistent than driving on public roads, so you can really see how a car performs.
Term
V eight era
The “V eight era” means a time when Formula 1 used V8 engines—engines with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. Different engine types sound and feel different, so fans notice the change.
Term
V 10 era
The “V 10 era” means a time when Formula 1 used V10 engines—ten-cylinder engines arranged in a V shape. That engine setup changes the car’s sound and feel, which fans often miss.
Place
Goodwood
Goodwood is a famous motorsports venue in the UK. People go there for big car and racing events, and it’s known for showing off cool cars.
Term
18,000 RPM
RPM means how many times the engine spins each minute. “18,000 RPM” is a huge number, and it’s part of why race cars like Formula 1 cars sound so intense.
Term
V10s
“V10s” means engines with 10 cylinders. People like them because they tend to sound exciting and rev freely, which adds to the driving experience.
Term
supercharged
“Supercharged” means the engine has a device that pushes extra air in. More air usually means more power, so the car feels faster.
Topic
rally
Rally is a motorsport where cars race on closed public roads or road-like stages, often with changing surfaces and weather. It’s known for driver skill, car setup, and the spectacle of jumps and slides—so it can be a “gateway” discipline for fans who then prefer rally over other forms of racing.
Term
Australian supercar
This is a name for Australia’s main “big-time” race series for production-based cars. When people say “Australian supercars,” they usually mean the V8 Supercars style of racing.
Topic
watching motorsports channels
They talk about how they got into racing by watching certain TV channels. It’s basically about how their favorite race types changed over time based on what was available to watch.
Term
British touring car
British touring car racing refers to a UK-based series where race cars are based on production sedans and hatchbacks. Touring-car rules typically emphasize close racing, durability, and maintaining a connection to road-going models.
Topic
DTM
DTM is a famous German race series for touring cars. The hosts are saying the driving they’re watching now feels like that old-school, aggressive racing style.
Place
Bathurst
Bathurst is a famous race track in Australia. It’s known for being really twisty and having big up-and-down changes in the road, which makes it feel intense to drive or watch.
Place
Nurburgring
The Nürburgring is a legendary race track in Germany. People use it as a yardstick for how “serious” a car feels, so saying it has a Nürburgring vibe means it feels intense and track-focused.
Topic
formula one
Formula One is the highest level of open-wheel race car racing. Teams build and tune their cars under strict rules, and the races are followed worldwide.
Person
Max
“Max” here is likely Max Verstappen, one of the top Formula One drivers. He’s famous for being very competitive and often at the center of big race conversations.
Person
Lewis Hamilton
Lewis Hamilton is a famous Formula One race driver from the UK. He’s won multiple championships and is one of the biggest names in modern F1.
Person
Schumacher
That’s Michael Schumacher, one of the most famous Formula 1 race drivers ever. People talk about him because he won a lot of races and championships and was known for being extremely good at driving and helping improve the car.
Person
Montoya
That’s Juan Pablo Montoya, a famous race driver from Colombia. He’s known for racing in Formula 1 and later doing well in other big racing series too.
Term
zero to 60 time
Zero-to-60 time is how fast a car goes from standing still to 60 mph. Lower numbers mean quicker acceleration, and it’s a common way car magazines compare cars.
Term
quarter mile time
Quarter-mile time is how fast a car can run a quarter mile from a stop. It’s another common performance number you’ll see in reviews and drag-racing discussions.
Car
Bugatti Veyron
The Bugatti Veyron is one of the most famous “super-advanced” hypercars ever made. It’s known for having a special W16 engine and for being massively powerful, which is why people treat it like a benchmark car.
Term
W16
W16 is the name for the engine’s cylinder layout. It means the engine has 16 cylinders arranged in a special compact shape, which is part of why the car is so unusual.
Term
four turbos
“Four turbos” means the engine has four turbochargers. Turbochargers cram extra air into the engine so it can make more power.
Car
Ferrari F80
The Ferrari F80 is a very high-end Ferrari “hypercar.” The conversation is mostly about how it looks—there’s a noticeable design detail at the front, and they’re debating whether it improves the car’s appearance.
Car
P1
“P1” is the McLaren P1, a famous super-expensive hypercar. The host is saying it looked really good right when people first saw it, compared to newer designs.
Car
Ferrari LaFerrari
The LaFerrari is a famous Ferrari hypercar, known for being a big deal when it came out. The host mentions it as part of a past generation of hypercars that felt more exciting to people.
Car
Porsche 918 Spyder
“918” is shorthand for the Porsche 918 hypercar. The host is saying that car looked great too, and that earlier hypercars had more visual impact.
Car
Mclaren F1
The McLaren F1 is a famous supercar from the 1990s. It’s known for being built like a race car and for having a special seating setup that puts the driver in the center.
Car
Mercedes CLK GTR
The Mercedes CLK GTR is a supercar made to compete in racing. It’s special because it’s connected to Mercedes’ serious GT racing efforts, not just normal road-car design.
Car
Ferrari F40
The Ferrari F40 is one of the most famous Ferraris ever. People love it because it’s a raw, no-nonsense supercar that became a poster-car for a whole generation.
Car
Porsche GT1
The Porsche GT1 is a Porsche supercar that’s closely tied to racing. It’s remembered because it was built with endurance racing in mind, not just for looks.
LIVE
Welcome back. It is another episode of Very Vehicular. As always, I am your host, Brian Scato.
In today's episode, I'm dubbing generational conflict. All right, so here's the idea.
We're going to take a bunch of different concepts and topics, and we're going to talk about them through different POVs.
Myself, in my late 40s, I represent Gen X. Ron Zarris, who you guys all should know and love, represents the millennials,
and we bring a new guest to the table, Mr. Chas Warren, aka Chazzy, who if you don't know him, is a really rad up-and-coming photographer
who's been capturing a part of car culture. If I'm being honest, I'm kind of only watching from afar, and he, in his 20s, represents Gen Z.
It was really fun, mostly to kind of hear Chazzy's perspective on all of these things.
And obviously, if you disagree, tell us so in the comments. Enjoy it.
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What's up, Chazzy? Welcome to the show. Hi, Brian.
Welcome back, Ron, as always.
That's such a great way.
Put up. I'm back. I'm back. I had to be here for this one. I had to be here with the homie Chaz.
Yes.
All right. So I just want to set the table for what we're going to do, right?
So the idea here is we're calling this generational conflict, because each of us have about a decade apart, right?
Like, how old are you?
I'm 27.
39.
Just turned. Just turned.
I liked it better when you were 38, but...
I did too. Trust me.
Trust me.
And I'm unfortunately 46. So we each have like a... We each represent almost like its own generation.
And on this show, topics always come up and we're always talking about it.
And at some point, one of us is like, I don't know, but maybe like, maybe like younger generations, like, into that.
We just don't know.
We just don't know.
So like, it's like, whether it's like burbletoon or takeovers or like whatever, we're like,
oh, like we're getting old, right?
So we're starting to get crotchety and cynical.
And we're just looking at that stuff going, maybe we need to bring a younger person on.
Like you're probably the youngest person we know, at least in Los Angeles.
It's an honor.
It's an honor.
So you, you unfortunately are going to represent the entire delegation for the young guns.
Everybody 30 under.
Yeah.
All this.
So if you were listening to this show and you disagree, don't give me a hard time, but
I hope I get most of these answers right.
And it's not even answers, it's opinions.
It's just opinions.
I think I have pretty good opinions, but I guess we'll see.
So before we get into all of that, like, not that you need to tell your whole life story,
but how'd you end up here?
And I don't mean in Long Beach, but like, like you've built a pretty cool thing around yourself
over the last couple of years.
Like Ron turned me on to you first.
I think you were the first one was like, Oh, this kid's doing some really cool stuff and
photography.
It's like really captioned a community.
And as I, when we were still at Hoonigan, yeah.
And just before you answer real quick, because I know you're pretty humble about the whole
thing.
I started like Instagram, like Facebook, Oh God, no, nobody's on Facebook.
Mostly on your age, mostly on my space, you know, like it's this echo chamber, like somebody
sees somebody doing something cool.
They repeat that kind of shot.
I started seeing your photos come out and I was like, Damn, like not only is somebody
shooting cars on film and putting it into digital, but your style was super unique and
you weren't biting anybody else's stuff.
It was, it was really cool to see that like that soft focus film grain, but also your
access was crazy.
Like you were already shooting wild stuff.
So I having shot photos for a lot of my life, like it's rare that I see an account come
up where I'm like, Damn, like that's really cool.
It's hard to have photos that get your attention on Instagram anymore.
That was you man.
Like I genuinely liked yourself.
So how'd you end up here?
Man, well, I guess a soft introduction to me.
If you don't know who I am, my name is Chas Warren.
Also known as Chasidog on social media.
And I just love cars and cool stuff that guys like.
I mean, because I have maybe 10% girls following me out of all 10% 10% you're stacked.
Yeah, you're stacked.
I got, I'm 90% I'm 97% dudes.
Yeah.
I'm at like a five and I think Vin was at a 1.8 or something.
Yeah.
Trust me, the other 3% are women who know me because they're friends with my wife.
So anyway, yeah, man, you're doing all right.
I started liking cars from midnight club to looking back.
I got a PlayStation two and midnight club and Gran Turismo were the only two games I
had and I enjoyed playing midnight club so much just because it was like free world.
You can speed run, all that stuff.
And the first car that I knew was a dream car of mine was the Selena seven because that
was the last car you can unlock in the game and it was called like a weird name for copyright
reasons probably.
Yeah.
So I looked it up on the internet and I was like, oh, that's a Selena seven.
And if you know, if you know ball of midnight club two, then, you know, yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
And that game was a, it was kind of revolutionary in a way because most car games before that
were like either a racing sim or like, you know, it didn't capture the vibe the way midnight
club did.
It was either Gran Turismo, which was trying its heart to be realistic or it completely
lived in the arcade world.
Yeah.
And there was like a culture piece that midnight club brought that felt really rad.
Yeah.
I remember because I was literally working in the business already by then when you were
seven, but whatever, we'll skip past that.
So pretty much that game inspired my whole life and during COVID, a lot of people might
have been inside, but I was definitely outside.
Like whether it was drifting or stuff like that, like I was just out there and then I
fell in love with cars even more.
And then the photography kind of went hand in hand with that.
And I just used the camera to capture the moments that I was around.
And I was very inspired by vintage aesthetics and it goes on from there.
And is that that that's what got you to film shooting?
Because the first time I hired you, you showed up with nothing digital.
It was all film.
And I was like, oh, this dude's no joke.
Yeah. Yeah.
I love the way film looks.
Even when I was shooting digital before I learned how to shoot on film, I was trying to make it look
like.
Oh, you were throwing the filters on.
Yeah.
I was trying to just, I don't know, find out a way.
And then I finally got a couple of shoots where I can pay for film and then I just had to
dive straight in and all my friends at the time were already shooting film.
So it was nice.
What got you into photography?
I think like video game covers, like Midnight Club.
There we go.
We go back to Midnight Club.
The cover of that game was like a car drifting on the wet ground with a bike behind
chasing them in the lights of Tokyo behind there.
And it just like that whole game was just like how I wanted to live my life at that point.
And luckily, like I didn't know it would kind of get to that point actually in my life, but
the camera has brought me there.
Did you grow up here in LA?
I have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So for you, which is cool because you have like this immediate access to car culture in a way like
other people don't.
It has been kind of a cheat code.
No cap.
Yeah.
No, I mean, if you grew up in like, you know, whatever Kansas city, like you, there probably a lot less
super cars there.
Your standards get a bit lower too.
I guess I'll do the photos.
Nothing against Dodge SRT fours.
But you're going to shoot the one SRT four that's in town that, you know, has like a off color door.
I guess by the way, the SRT four catch is way too much shade on this show.
I don't know why I always go there.
And like, I think we need to just start moving some of the shade to the Cobalt SS.
Cause that is what I call it the other day, the Midwest civic.
It's the Midwest civic.
That's not meant to be derogatory, by the way.
Sorry, I literally interrupted that.
We love the Midwest shade.
Both those cars.
But yeah.
So, um, and then from there, I mean, you are like kind of humble because you quickly grew this like
aesthetic and look.
And then all of a sudden you had all this access and you're shooting all these crazy super cars and
hyper cars and, and did that start from like going to like cars and coffee type things?
Yeah.
So like doing like car spotting type stuff.
But, and not to say you're in that world because you really have transcended into like this whole
other space, but like how did you first get access to that?
It's weird because before COVID there weren't really like different categories of car meets in my
opinion from what I've experienced.
Cause I was in college, like I just remember a friend telling me, yo, come to this car meet.
And then it would be very nice at the beginning.
And then like an hour later, like some muscle cars would show up.
And then at the end before takeovers and all that were a thing, people would just do burnouts
leaving.
It seems like it was just a car meet.
That's what a meet was in my opinion when I got introduced to the scene.
Right.
And yeah, that's kind of just how it was.
And then over time you noticed them getting a lot more specialized, like super cars only.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think or JDM.
Yeah.
Cause social media started taking off around that time too.
And how I kind of got into super cars and hyper cars was because I was really into car
shooting flames, like, but twin turbo cars.
And like, I remember seeing a photographer named Michael Rigo taking photos of this one
hurricane that was twin turbo shooting flames in New York.
And I remember I was just like, I need to get a print of this and I put it on my wall.
And then again, Hoonigan, shout out Hoonigan.
I saw Jim Conner, the Los Angeles one.
And I saw Larry's photos and like that was really inspiring.
So I was just in love with both of those things.
You know, yeah.
And was that so we were already shooting photography at that point?
I just started.
Yeah.
So that's what 2013 14 14.
Yeah.
But I was shooting mostly landscapes.
I didn't start going to car meets until 2018.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
You, it's, you just mentioned this before that, like, before the camera started on,
you were kind of saying how you were doing photography and like now you've caught
the drifting bug and like you're like transitioning from sort of like
spectated a participant.
Yeah.
Um, was your first and it was your first interest more the photography of cars
and like capturing that versus cars themselves.
I think true to heart, I really, really just love cars and what cars can do.
So along with that, I definitely had an eye for photography and I kind of
combined the two and then bringing in the aesthetics and film.
I, that was the vibe.
I really, really liked.
So I just combined all of the stuff together and it became a really nice photo
sometimes.
And with that, I think with social media, just people saw it and I used the
opportunity to try and reach out to people I would see at meets and stuff.
So you were reaching out to them at first and then I imagine that eventually
swapped when people started to reach out to you being like, heck out this thing.
You want to come shoot it?
Yeah.
The first photo shoot where I really took it serious was this pro charge
Mustang and it was when the pro charger was first thing.
It was the only Mustang that sounded like how it did.
And I remember going up to a matacarmy and was like, bro, we should shoot some
time.
Like I got this camera and we should just make something happen.
And I had no idea how to shoot manual or anything.
And I remember he was like, let's take rollers and I didn't even know how to do
that.
I just put it.
I was like messing with everything.
I was like, okay, it looks like this.
Uh, before I shot with film, it was digital still.
And then I just winged it and then half the battle's editing in my opinion.
So just posted it.
And then when car pages were featuring a lot of work back then, uh, Mustang
magazine reached out and they posted the photos and then I kind of just got it
started from there.
I started reaching out to four people.
I taught Ron how to shoot a camera in the trenches in like three minutes.
And then he became a way better photographer than me.
Yeah.
It was crazy.
We're in Turkey.
Now it was my first world rally championship race.
The first event I ever did where, you know, Ken was running things and we're
in a rental car and we're running.
I can hear the car in the distance and scato as we're running towards the stage,
not in the car, not at the hotel, like as we're running towards the stage,
hands me a camera.
It was like a Canon 20 D with like a whatever lens on it.
And he's like, all right, check it out.
Uh, this is kind of, you know, it's fast action, but you don't want to park the
car.
So put your shutter down to like, I don't know, start at 250 and then go down
from there and I'm like, all right, tight.
And I hear like the car coming like, in rally, you hear the car like noise
bouncing off the mountains and stuff like that.
And then like Ken just comes over this crest jumps like the car bucks, like, you
know, back high and I'm like, that was sick.
I like experienced a WRC jump for the first time.
And then I looked down at the camera and it was right there.
And I was like, yo, this is sick.
Like this is the coolest feeling of like, I caught.
What that felt like to me.
Terrible photo, but I stopped time and yes, that was awesome too.
Like when I was taking rollers of the Mustang on my first shoot, like seeing
that come to life was like, Oh my gosh, like, it's crazy.
Yeah.
I remember the first feeling you got hooked.
Yeah.
That's so cool.
Yeah.
And then I immediately yelled at him, come on dummy, we got to get back in the
car.
Oh man.
Yeah.
That was, I was goofy man, but like that, that, that takes you to another place.
Like your brain just starts working in a totally different way.
Every time you see a car, car action, you're like, this is how I want to see it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's cool.
And your whole view of that was influenced by a video game.
Mine was influenced by watching rally cars on speed channel.
Oh wow.
You know, like on TV, when TV used to have cool stuff.
And I'm going to date myself because my inspiration goes back to
night rider, shout out to David Hassellhoff and the A team, which is probably why I
like Vans so much.
It's a weird.
Wow.
That's such a realization.
I'm having a moment right now.
You guys can talk amongst yourselves.
I started to unpack why I'm so into Vans.
Why like brolic looking fast Vans.
Yeah.
B.A.
Barakas is probably the reason.
Yeah.
Bro had a style.
He, oh he had.
He had a look.
He had a look.
I was super into that when I was a kid.
I remember wearing like overalls and like fake chains when I was younger.
Yeah.
So.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Anyway.
I mean, so here's a question.
This is a question that I ask, I usually reserve this question for like the older
heads, right?
So like when John Nadeiri was here or Steph Hapidakis, like I asked him this
question of do you currently think automotive right now culture wise is peak.
Right.
And I'm not going to tell you what they said.
I want to kind of understand because you, you've been in it for a shorter period.
Yeah.
Perspective changes as you get older, because the whole timeline starts to get
small, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you got into coal, into car culture when you were really young around video games
and then like Tokyo drift and things like that were part of it.
But then you really dived into it, as you said in 2018.
Yeah.
So it's been eight years.
Like where do you think car culture feels for you right now?
Well, I have.
Up is it down?
Where is it?
It's weird because I feel like car culture as a whole, as the whole planet
earth is the most popular it's ever been like people getting into cars as far as
F one, social media and stuff like that.
I think it's because many different things.
I think technology might have peaked with the car.
Like, okay.
Now cars are super, super heavy and more like the hybrid system and the batteries
and all the conversations we all have had before.
Yeah.
Um, they've gotten big in them.
Yeah.
I feel like before that, that was when cars were peak as a driving experience
because it's still all you, you don't have to press one button and the whole
traction control is off.
You know, now it's like you have to make sure all of this stuff is very, a lot of
rules and stuff.
So I think everyone for everyone getting into cars right now, this is the peak to
do it because we still have people working on old school cars as well as new
school cars are coming out right now, which is controversial for me because I
don't really like the way new cars look.
Honestly.
What's your favorite generation of cars?
I would say it's a long range.
I think from honestly, since the first coontosh to before COVID.
Okay.
I mean, that's a good run.
I was going to ask when you say old school car, like what's an old school car to you?
I know that's a broad question, but like, give me, I would say, I think.
Yeah.
Starting from the nineties up is the modern era.
Okay.
What's crazy is a classic car is defined as 25 years old.
Right.
So a 2001 is considered.
So like a 2001 Mark four Jetta is technically a classic car.
It's crazy, which is crazy.
Cause to me, like when you say the word classic, I just think like a, like a tri
five, like a 55 Chevy or something.
See, I think, I think like classic Chevy Nova or like, you know, like late
seventies muscle car.
Yeah.
But like technically 25 years old.
So to you, old school is like E 36 M three.
It's getting there now.
Like when I first got in the cars, I thought I really, really wanted that car.
But now like cars have gotten faster.
Like it's shifted from the nineties to the cars I want to like early two thousands.
Well, what do you drive in that?
What do you drive here today?
I drove a E 92 M three shout out SPD motor group.
They are helping me throw events and they're giving me cars to drive.
So is that your car or just the car you drive?
It's the, it's the shop cars.
That's what you call it.
Yeah.
But no one at the shop drives it cause there's other cool cars they drive.
So they kind of just threw it through a man of fine taste.
You had one of those.
Yes, I did.
I, it was one of my favorite cars I've ever owned.
Yeah.
And I like way analog raw cars.
Like I like, you know, rally type stuff that's super light manual
gearbox, all wheel drive, no ABS, like nothing.
So to me, the E 92 was like, Oh, I'm living luxury.
Like this is crazy.
But I think as a driver, I think we might have passed peak, but as a car
enthusiast, right?
That's what I mean.
Is the culture.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The culture itself with everybody, like photographers, people who are just like
looking at cars, all that, I think it is at its peak cause there's just so much to
embrace and look at.
But if you're purely just trying to drive, I mean, who's making manuals
anymore, almost nobody, you know, so.
Do you, do you feel like it is still growing?
Like, is there room to grow?
I think so.
I think drifting is the next wave.
I really do.
Next wave.
Next wave.
Yeah.
I feel like that way's been going for like 20 plus years for us.
But yeah, I mean, like, it's just, you can see everything.
Drifting used to be from what I know, what is drifting?
What, when you see drifting, like how do you define it?
Like what is drifting to you?
I think it's an art form of cars.
It's really pushing the car to its max as far as, as well as creating art.
I think tire marks are art.
I think the smokers are, I think the way people turn into a corner is you're,
you know, you get different styles.
Um, you know, obviously the Japanese is huge, huge points for that.
Where do things like formula drift live in drifting for you versus
things like final bout versus just like street jammers.
Man.
Uh, I think final bout is really cool because the tandems that they do, like
10 cars, teams, like you guys all got to hit it.
And like, I think just seeing a train of cars drifting is the coolest thing ever.
Cause it's like, wow, like you all are really hitting that.
Yeah.
And where does FD live for you?
Oh man, I, I'm getting into, I'm still learning drifting.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, I, that's why it's interesting to us.
Cause I think D one Japan is the king of drift events right now because it's a
mixture of both style and, you know, like, uh, really hardcore like points.
You know, I think formula drift is so specific and you have to get the line perfect.
I think Japan, you have a little more leeway.
You should do backies into a corner.
You know, you shouldn't just directly get to the zone.
You should do it with style.
You know, and I, I think, uh, drifting should be more focused on style.
Like really who you're like top three drivers in drifting right now.
Oh man.
I think James Dean, obviously the machine.
Good man.
Yeah.
Um, I'm going to Japan soon to watch Diego Sido drift.
I've only seen videos.
But he is one of an absolutely amazing driver.
And I remember when he came to the U S and just upset the entire year.
Like in, in an SC 431, the weirdest platform and he just unexpected and just made a lot
of grown men cry.
Yeah.
Like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Emotion, you know, he will like in both ways, the competing competitors cry.
Cause I don't think I argue that he introduced like the pillow smoke era of
drifting because his car was making so much more smoke and he cut holes out of
the fenders to put more thought into that was super cool.
He's also an amazing human being.
Like I just love Diego.
I love, I love hanging out with him and stuff.
But okay.
So James Dean, Diego, and then who's your third?
I mean, I recently had some Tana's with Larry Chen and his energy while you're
drifting with him is so contagious.
He's like, let's keep doing rounds.
I'm like, if my tires aren't wires, but okay.
Like, you know, he, the enthusiasm he gets.
And that's because you get so you get to go drive.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
You familiar with, um, like animal style boys, Julian Jacobs and those guys.
I need to see more of them for sure.
Those everyone talks about.
They're like some of my, my favorite for me in the U S there, there are some of
the guys that embrace that Japan spirit where it's style is super important, but
also driving aggression is super important.
Like anytime you see those dudes behind the wheel, it is the most aggressive
entries, the most aggressive mid corner and somehow also exit.
And they just every time they're behind the wheel and it's not like, you know,
how much side bite do I have and how much, you know, like, can I put on this guy?
It's like, no, just as aggressive sounding and looking as possible.
Yeah.
They also, um, when they've been driving together for so long, but like, they
just know, like they just know each other's style so well.
And it's like that, that part's great.
I, they also like really went hard when no one else was like shipping their cars
to Japan and doing a tour and compete out there and like all of that.
And they also really stand behind the idea of like cars don't need to make
a thousand horsepower, like just have a car that drive all weekend.
Like that's more important than building like some crazy YouTube car that
breaks, you know, or like trying to drive a pro car or something like that.
So switch subjects real quick.
Um, right now, uh, if you had a 100000 dollars, I handed to you to
go buy a new car from the dealership.
What do you go buy?
And all three of us will answer it.
Oh man.
Okay.
Um, entering generational conflict question one, I think, I think super
new super.
Okay.
A 90.
Okay.
Cause they just came out with manual versions, right?
And so they're definitely targeting the enthusiasts with that.
I mean, I know the Z two, the, the, but one of those two, I can't really pick
the new Z or the new Supra for sure.
Oh, the, the 400 Z.
Oh damn.
Okay.
You know, that's such a rare, that car lives in my blind spot all the time.
Every time someone says that I'm like, Oh right, they introduced a new car.
I mean, I just think that was like a major flop from Nissan because there was
so much excitement around like the first return of the Z 350.
I was there when that happened.
And then like that car continued to have a hero status.
And then I think they just delayed the new Z for so long that by the time it
finally came out, it was like, uh, okay.
But do you remember, I was going to throw it back, but do you remember
like Chevy did that with the new Camaro in the mid 2000s?
Transformers.
They were talking exactly.
Yeah.
They released it as bumblebee and then we didn't see it for another three years.
And we saw like a turn, like a kind of like, you know, broken down version of
like what we had seen as the concept car.
And I feel like unfortunately Nissan just found the super as well.
The FT one concept.
Everyone was like, Oh my God.
And I remember when the super first came out, like no one liked it.
But now without this is the new gen.
I think we've kind of accepted the super hate was weird for me and I'm obviously
like a Euro snob, but they're like, it's two BMW.
We don't like, is that a bad thing?
Yeah.
How do I think it is?
How does that?
Yeah.
Like they are literally the ultimate driving machine.
I'm not a BMW fan and I will still admit like they are very good at building
cars.
They are.
They are.
I give them all their props because the E 92 M three is so good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What do you, what are you buying Ron?
I mean, listeners of the pod will know I'm a big, big fan of the GR 86.
Yeah.
So I know that's way under the budget, but then spend the rest on track
time and tires, right?
Like that car to me is like peak driving experience of like feeling like I know
with my hand exactly what the front tire is doing.
Like it's telepathic and like super predictable and it's just so fun to flick
around like the a 90 Supra has really grown on me a lot.
Like I see a yellow one on the highway.
I'm like, ooh, okay.
Like I get it.
And I've driven one.
I drove the manual one when it came out, drove the auto one on track.
Great car.
But to me, it's still like that little bit of numbness is there where the G,
the, the GT 86, GR 86 is like, perfect.
Such a sick car.
I know this was my question, but I absolutely did not prep for it.
It's like, well, I was like, what would I actually, I hate to say it.
Cause I already had one before, but I probably buy a C eight Corvette.
That's nice.
Oh yeah.
Cause like bang for the buck.
What you can pick one up for like new 70 or something now.
And I don't know whether I eat that was a blind spot for me, but like that's like,
like it's a really, really, really good car and it feels special for the money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's like, that one's pretty cool.
Great on track.
Love that car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I don't think you like, when I was your age, there's no way in hell I would
have ever admitted to wanting a Corvette.
Yeah.
That's shit.
That one, that one's like, that one's stepping a little further away from the
K Swiss, you know, yeah.
Yeah.
K Swiss.
Yeah.
Have they elevated from that?
It was new balance.
This is new balance case.
It's like the same family, you know, like I think new balance is a little bit
cooler than case was.
We should break down generationally Corvette.
What footwear you're wearing.
C four, what shoe, C five, what shoe, but that's a different part.
That's a different.
Is this something young kids talk about too?
Is the Corvette gang?
I think Corvettes have like come around and become cool.
Like when I see a slammed C five driving, definitely the kid in the car is
under 30.
Yeah.
Which is definitely.
Shripped.
Definitely.
Yeah.
I think for speaking for the under 30 people, I think as the
representative, I think, um, I think the C five and up is where we're at for sure.
Like we love most of those cars.
The C six is definitely probably the top one.
Everyone tells me C six, uh, I think C seven over C six, but okay.
For style purposes, I think C five has the pop ups and you could make it like a
stance car.
So yeah.
So C five is cool to you.
I think the C five really.
Hell yeah.
I mean, the C five is basically a thick arc seven.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
Like an FDR X and it comes LS swapped.
So they already fixed the biggest problem.
Right.
That's really interesting.
Cause like, yeah, when, when I first got into cars, like anybody with a C five was
a dork, they were like, well, mine's one of one maroon with white interior combo.
And it's like, Oh my God, whatever.
Or they're at an autocross bragging that they just smoked a mini Cooper.
I'm like, bro, you have a Corvette.
Go to a real track.
And then I, I don't, it was like somewhat recently that they really started growing
on me.
Like you forget about it for a little bit and then you see one and you see
somebody of your generation do one properly.
And you're like, Oh, wow, that can actually look really good.
And then Kaiser did his rendition of one.
Like, ah, man, the Red Sea five that we had, it was a ton of fun.
It was so much fun.
It was a $5,000 car out the box.
Yes.
Ripper.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We put a hurting on that thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Here's another question.
Um, what is your favorite motor sport currently right now?
And I'll put some rules on that.
It has to be a currently existing motor sport.
So like something that's, that's going to play, you know, on the weekends.
Dang.
Like what, what is it that like makes, or maybe you don't have one.
You can also.
I mean, I do enjoy some formula drift.
When I was talking about earlier, nothing bad for the drift, nothing bad.
Anytime of drifting, but like I enjoy formula drift a lot.
I think it's really, really cool.
Just seeing the aggression, like what he's talking about earlier.
Um, F one, man, I don't, I mean, I wish the sound was there.
It's not there.
Like I just, yeah, I look, I'd rather watch older F one videos than the new F one.
Like I enjoy the competition of modern F one, but if the sound could just get better,
you're, you got a whole new generation that probably would just stick.
Now speaking for your generation, do you feel like F one, those like
become more pop culture acceptable?
Yeah.
Ever.
That's what I mean by car culture as a whole.
Like everyone knows about it.
There's more people getting into it.
I think the way everything's going with cars is reverse.
If everything stayed the same to now with sound and maybe more naturally aspirated
cars, then I think car culture would be even more booming than it is.
I think what I love about that is that the generational gap between us, you did
not grow up watching F one with the V eight era, with the V 10 era.
You were not into it at that point.
Right.
I just like the sound like for sure.
Yeah.
I didn't really watch all the stuff going on, but I just knew I was like,
that's F one.
And it's even F one to you.
And, and I love that because like it doesn't matter that you didn't grow up in
that era.
You just know that's what it should be.
Yes.
Right.
We had a great moment.
Um, I brought him out to Goodwood in 2024 and we were with Williams and the
Patek Juan Pablo Montoya and the 2004 BMW Williams F one car at 18,000 RPM.
They fired it up.
Well, we could drop the clip in here and just crazy.
Yeah.
I was geeking.
All these F one guys are like, Oh my God.
Yeah.
It was sick.
It was awesome to see your excitement around that for me.
My first introduction to motorsports was when like I went to go see a thing
in the car at Long Beach and I remember just walking to it and hearing it.
I'm like, what am I about to get into right now?
Cause I have never heard anything like this.
I'm what lies beyond the fence of paying the ticket and stuff like that.
And then seeing how fast cars are.
It's like the whole experience, like building up to seeing what is happening,
which is a huge sound part, I think in cars for sure.
So we could not agree more.
This is definitely something.
It's everything.
All the delegations are agreeing on right now.
Bring back the V10s.
And the man that drives the 92 M3, like the sound.
Of it is the biggest.
It's not the fastest car in the world.
It's not.
Well, yours is supercharged.
Yeah.
So it's quick, but like there's so many other fast cars out there, but that vibe
that it gives you, like that feeling is, it's unmatched.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
I probably don't need to ask you this Ron, but your favorite form of motorsport.
We all know it's rally easily by far.
I still have to get introduced to rally more.
I want to definitely see a car fly over me besides the Tesla.
Once you do rally, it's really hard to go backwards.
Like it's just, it's just a special sport, but I will admit right now, like I've
actually, I'm watching way less rally and the sport that I'm actually
watching the most of right now is Australian supercar.
V8 supercars.
Yeah.
V8 supercars.
Yeah.
Because I've always loved it.
And for me, when I was young, the, the one channel that played motorsports and
racing was a channel called speed vision before it became speed, which then
became like a NASCAR channel.
And they just would air all of the stuff from other places.
So we got British touring car, we got the WRC and we got V8 supercars.
Yeah.
And always thought it was cool, but then I got to go work with them when I did
the Travis Vistana thing.
And then I ended up finding a feed for it on racer and I'm like, okay, this is now
when I'm like, I really enjoy watching it.
And I, even though there's only really two cars competing in it, all of the super
is coming.
Um, it is like some of my favorite racing.
Are you watching any, do you know what I'm talking about?
No, yeah.
I'm gonna have to, I'll put you on.
Please, please put you on.
Because it is just a really good door to door.
It feels like racing from the 80s and early 90s in a modern car.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Awesome.
Like guys are hitting each other, like just like hitting, jumping curbs, like that is
the sport.
Like that's what they, they treat curbs like, like you're supposed to jump.
That's so cool.
Like a BMX bike.
Are you familiar with like the old, uh, DTM?
Compilations.
Yes.
It's like the modern version of that in a way.
It's the same kind of aggressive driving.
Yeah.
Definitely have to look into that.
But that's the one for me that like, I've just lately been like, I really like this.
I got to see.
Bathurst, which is like one of the greatest ones.
I won't go to all of them cause you don't know what I'm talking about.
But it like going there was this thing that I watched when I was younger and then
I finally got to see the place and like walk in.
It's like this crazy elevation changes in the road.
So narrow.
It feels really sketchy.
It has like a Nurburgring kind of vibe to it, although shorter.
And it, it just kind of made me fall back in love with it.
So like that's my, that's my peak at the moment.
Nice.
I don't know if I can speak for the generation.
I think my generation is heavily formula one right now.
Yeah.
I think like they, cause they've always been, but like now it's like, it's there.
It's the sport.
It's what everybody's talking about.
I heard they're bringing the VAs back.
So I'm, I'm all for it.
Like please bring the VAs back.
Yes.
Please.
I think we can all agree on that.
No driver seems to be happy about this, especially Max.
We want to, we as a whole, I think we want to see the racers feel good.
Yeah.
Like, absolutely.
It brings the whole audience down when the drivers themselves are putting on a
show and like they're not, if you had to pick a favorite F1 driver, I mean,
Lewis Hamilton for sure.
Hell yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that brought me back in and then I kind of fell out of it like, I don't know,
after a couple of years, but yeah, cause I was like, I got into it like Schumacher,
Montoya, Davis.
Okay.
I was like, I'm noticing, I'm noticing kind of a thread here like with drifting
being your favorite like kind of driving FDs, your favorite motor sport, Lewis is
your favorite driver.
Like it feels like style is super important to you.
Yes.
Like style over almost everything.
Yes.
Like that's what you're doing.
That's kind of a bit, because for us, older guys,
like cars were about the specs early on, right?
Like you're reading car and driver, road and track,
like you go, what's the zero to 60 time on that?
What's the quarter mile time on that?
How much horsepower has this one got?
And that was everything, right?
And now like those horsepower wars are kind of over.
Like, you know, you get a Lucid or a Tesla
that could smoke anything in a quarter mile
and it doesn't matter anymore.
So style is like, so much of everything now.
I'm noticing that as a thread for you.
I think the photography kind of helps with the style points.
Like, you know, like, because after you see a lot of cars
and go to the cars and coffees and stuff like that,
you want to see like why,
well, like what makes this car stand out?
And that's a person's personality put into a car,
which is, you know, style points, you know?
So what brought this, what brought you to the table today?
Right?
I mean, when I saw you at that summit, I was like,
I want to get on the pod at some point,
but what brought you here today is because Ron and I
were having a conversation the other day that like,
at some point for the two of us,
supercars slash hypercars like just became
something we weren't paying attention to anymore.
Right?
And we were going through a list and looking at, you know,
different types of cars and what they're,
I'm like, I don't even know what this car is.
I've never even heard of this.
Like I couldn't-
Blind to it.
I couldn't name more than like two or three McLarens.
Like, it just doesn't excite me anymore.
And we both said that the Bugatti Veyron for us
was sort of the end of the hypercar.
Oh, wow.
Because that came out and it was like, oh, wow, okay.
That's final boss.
That's final boss.
That's a W16.
It's got four turbos.
It's got a thousand horsepower.
Like anything after that, like what are you doing?
And Ron said, I bet you if you asked Chaz,
he would feel completely different.
Yeah, I do.
Cause I think the Veyron was the beginning.
Yeah, that's crazy.
That's crazy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
That this is like BCAD.
Yeah, yeah, now we're learning.
Cause we have no idea.
So school us a little bit.
Like what is, like what are the top hypercars right now
for you?
I mean, okay.
It sucks right now because the new cars that are coming out,
like let's talk about the Ferrari F80, okay?
Yeah.
What is this mustache that these dudes are putting on?
Right.
Like what the fuck?
And but I think it looks fine without it.
I think it's a lot of, again, style.
I think the P1 looked so good.
Even when it first came out, when people first saw it,
it was like, okay.
Yeah.
The same with the LaFerrari, same with all the hypercars
of that era, like the 918 also looked good.
But now, I think it's peak hypercar era.
That, I think that generation.
Cause I don't feel the excitement from people,
even like in high school when I was in high school,
when I was in high school, everyone knew about the LaFerrari,
the 918, like that Holy Trinity.
That's what would have been a poster on your wall.
The Holy Trinity.
Oh, I like that.
Cause that's the Holy Trinity.
As you know, it was the McLaren F1,
the Mercedes CLK GTR.
The Ferrari F40.
The Ferrari F40.
Well, yeah.
Depending on your age.
Right, right.
But the, the, okay, all right.
Okay, so my Trinity, my Trinity was McLaren F1,
the Porsche GT1, and then the CLK GTR.
Like that's my Holy Trinity.
Those three cars at Le Mans, like that's everything to me.
That's my Trinity.
And yours is like F40.
My Holy Trinity, it's weird cause like little, little kid,
Kuntas, Testerosa, like it wasn't even a Trinity.
There were two, right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then the DeLorean until we found out it sucked, right?
Oh, yeah, right.
But like those were the two, right?
And then I think after that was like,
definitely the McLaren F1.
I mean, that was the super special car, the F40.
And like the Diablo was cool, but like it was another Lambo.
So like it kind of lived in that area.
And then there were those like weird ones,
like the Bugatti like, you know, EB110.
EB110, yeah.
And like the XJ220.
Yeah.
I wouldn't say that was in the Trinity,
but like those were in that like early.
That's your cloud.
Vibes vibe.
Yeah, yeah.
Like it was the Enzo.
Mm-hmm.
Like, because that was still the thing.
And then the Veyron came out.
And all of a sudden it was like,
it put such a fucking gap on the Enzo.
Yeah, on everything.
It just felt like it was like a new beginning.
And that's when we started to have the conversation
of what's a super car, what's a hyper car?
Yeah, yeah.
Which I still don't understand.
Yeah, well, I think a hyper car changed,
well, it's weird because as you had cars
that defined your generation,
I feel like that Holy Trinity was defining my generation
as a teenager, and now the next generation of teenagers
are kind of going backwards.
I'm not gonna lie, not like them, but the cars themselves.
So we still had V12 in the LaFerrari.
Now we got a V6 in the new LaFerrari replacement,
which is the F80.
Yeah.
And, you know, like all, you know,
it was going up until now pretty much.
And now I feel like the performance is still going up,
but the emotion that we get from these engines
and stuff is going kind of down.
Like, you know.
So you're not a big fan of the new Ferrari EV?
I think, yeah, let's talk about that.
What is happening?
Like hopefully regulations is the only thing
that was worse for Ferrari.
Regulations and making bank.
I mean, there is an audience for that thing, I am sure.
You have you seen people that have gotten excited
for that car because I swear.
No, because I don't speak the language.
Like it's so much of it is foreign buyers
or people just so far out of my tax bracket
that I don't understand them either.
But when Porsche came out with the Cayenne,
like a lot of people felt similar.
Oh yeah, I was there.
They're like, yo, how is Porsche like,
yo, an SUV, that's against everything they've ever done.
That's like destroying the legacy.
Meanwhile, that was allowing them to make cars
like the GT3 RS because they were making bank
on those things and people ended up buying them.
And I was one of those people.
I was like, yo, that's gross.
Never, I would never drive that.
That belongs in a mall or like dropping kids off at soccer.
And now I'm like, yo, Cayenne diesel.
Kind of hard.
I've actually been shopping recently Panameras
because I just want like a nice cool fun sedan.
And when I remember when that thing came out,
it was kind of like weird four door, like what is this?
And now, yeah, but I want it on record.
I'm not defending the luce at all.
No, I think that I think that's gross.
Matt Farah actually previously on the podcast had
a really interesting point on the luce, which he said,
when they probably started designing this,
the Teslas were selling like absolute hotcakes.
Right.
And they looked at the market and they said,
well, why don't we just make an expensive Tesla?
And it's kind of what they did.
And if I wonder if the luce came out two and a half years ago,
if it would have been accepted differently
because Tesla still felt peak.
Yeah.
Now Tesla is like this really weird brand
that like I think everyone hates.
Like it's all new to me, unfortunately.
Yeah.
However many reasons and it just kind of became a commuter car.
Right.
Like when you first saw Teslas on the road,
you're like, that's really special.
Now it's like, bro, another one, like,
and they all drive horrible.
To me, there's no difference between them
and like a city bike or like whatever the like the lime
scooters, like it's literally just transferred to you.
Yeah, that's it.
That gets you to be in that.
I think lucid came in and like really flipped lids
on a lot of people.
And Rivian.
And Rivian for sure.
Yeah.
It's a little truck side but visually.
But the lucid, like I think it's the fastest EV ever.
I know.
It's like an eight second car.
Have you driven one?
No.
I haven't driven one, but a few people have told me,
because I always am like, I just don't like how heavy
and like I just don't enjoy the weight and the mass
of driving an EV no matter how fast it is.
I don't care that it can make you throw up
because it's so quick.
Like that's just not interesting to me.
But a lot of people like you should drive the lucid,
whatever, Sapphire air or whatever.
Sapphire air, I'm probably getting it wrong,
but they're like that.
They actually figured out how to make that thing handle.
Although I like the five end.
I thought the five end was a good handle.
The Ioniq five end was great.
But you know.
Is that the one that shifts?
Yes.
Sure.
The Ioniq five end.
That's the only shift.
Yeah, that's the only one people have said, oh yeah,
I like it.
Yeah, that's so funny that that's like the thing
that catches on.
But it also handles really well.
And Pike's Peak going on right now,
like there's a five end at Pike's Peak
that's doing really well right now.
This is where we have to remind him
that he holds the record for the fastest EV up
Pike's Peak.
You.
You handle five end.
Still to this day.
Did you not know that?
I totally didn't know because it was EV related.
Yeah, yeah.
That was gonna be my next question.
Yeah, it's like speak for the generation on EVs.
Yes, the council for the sub thirties.
How do you guys feel about EVs?
I mean, it's kind of split because you know,
you got the cyber truck lovers and the stuff like that.
But I think it goes down to emotion.
If a car could bring out emotion,
it doesn't matter what it can do.
It'll have someone emotion just makes people stick.
So I just love sound as you can tell,
like just that type of thing.
So it just doesn't do anything for me personally.
Can you explain the cyber truck to me
from your point of view?
Dude, like I can't.
All right.
Yeah, it turns out we got a lot more.
Apparently we all have a lot in common here.
We got a lot in common here.
I like it.
I like it.
I appreciate the boldness of it.
You know, you can always appreciate that,
but of course as far as it goes on.
Yeah, it's a weird boldness though.
You know what I'm saying?
It's a boldness just to be bold.
Yeah, it's like that friend that's really bold.
Then you're like, I don't really like,
he's not really my friend.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Let me, I want to ask you guys something.
Yeah, let's do it.
I mean, we got to talk about the way the economy is right now
and like how everything is super, super expensive.
Did it feel, I feel like cars are running away from me.
Like I'm trying to save up money.
I see them like disappearing
because they're getting so expensive.
Like did you guys feel any of that pressure
when you were like 27?
Nah, you're fucking cooked, bro.
Damn.
I definitely did it.
I felt like cars were,
there was a whole collection of cars
that got cheaper by the year.
Right?
Like you looked at a new car
and you're like, you looked at something brand new
and you thought, okay in five years from now,
that's gonna cost this and in 10 years from now,
that's gonna cost it.
So for example, my first car was a Volkswagen Golf.
I bought it in 1997.
It was in 1995.
The car sold new for 18 grand and I bought it for 10.
Oh wow.
Like think of how fast that depreciation was, right?
So like I was able to get into something
that was only two years old and I don't know.
And then that you could buy a Volkswagen Golf
for like 500 bucks.
I mean, you still kind of can in some places,
but it just felt like there wasn't this collector market
around the cars I cared about.
Like the collector market was 69 Camaros
and like way, way, way older things.
And I guess if you put the math on it now,
it seems that way, but there are cars that literally sell new
like the GR that go up in price.
Like markups on low price cars didn't,
that it wasn't a thing when I was younger.
Like the markup thing has gone kind of crazy.
So I do, like you guys are definitely feeling
a massive amount in there.
Cause I'm like trying to stack
and then you look the next month
and it's like the car you won is like double the price.
You're like, bro, dang.
I sent Vinny a post today
cause a bunch of cars sold over the weekend.
And I just, it's like, what am I,
like I haven't, why have I been paying attention
to the GT3 RS is it's selling for 700,000 now.
And like, I forget which Ferrari it was,
but sold for like 1.2 million.
And it was like a 458 or something.
And I was like,
I wasn't even anything super crazy.
And I was like, what, like, like, how did that happen?
It just goes nuts.
For me, I feel you 100%
cause I watched it happen right before my eyes.
So fast and the furious came out in the theaters
when I was in just started high school,
like somewhere right around there.
And I was like, bro, Mark for Supra, I need one.
And this was before YouTube.
So there was a website called streetfire.net
that posted just street racing stuff.
So, so, yo, just moment of silence.
What a, what a great,
it just sounds cool.
It was like, it was like 1320, but pre-YouTube, you know?
The videos were two inches by two inches.
Yeah, every, every, every,
all the vibe that you kind of go for,
like if you looked at streetfire,
everybody had a DV camera and that's it.
I bet it's on way back.
It's gotta be somewhere.
Yeah.
And so I was like, oh my God, I need a Mark for Supra.
I need an FDRX7.
And when I was in high school,
that you could find Mark for Supra,
twin turbo, six speed for probably 30 grand.
And I would be like, let's go right now.
They actually dropped,
cause when we first started Hoonigan,
every day I used to say to her,
I'm like, we should buy Supras now.
Cause they'd got to like 15, 16 grand.
And like they're like, they are so cheap.
They were, they're crazy cheap.
We should buy Supras now.
And instead he bought an FDRX7, which was a good buy.
He bought it for like five grand.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
What?
We were sitting there, it was a little rough,
but still you got it, it was a complete car.
But, and then all of a sudden it was like, boom, boom, boom.
It was like, oh, it's a 20,000, it's a 30, it's a 50, it's a 60.
Like, oh, there's one for 100 grand.
And every, every raise I ever got,
every whatever like the Mark for,
it was just a boom, boom, just like just out of reach.
And then, you know, by the end of it, like once I could,
I'd had other interests, but like that feeling of like,
I just can't, I'm right there, but I just can't catch it.
Like it's brutal, man.
It's brutal.
And now watching what all cars are doing,
it's crazy.
Like I got a JZX 90 when like,
I started getting into drifting really heavy
and watching all the stuff in Japan
and they were all running JZX's,
Beater cars, whatever.
They still do that to this day.
And so the first year that I was able to bring one in,
I brought it in, I got a Mark II Tourer V
with 40,000 miles on it for 14 grand.
Bro.
Twin turbo immaculate car.
And like I sold it not long after that for 28.
I was like, yo, this is crazy.
Yeah.
I have to like, I don't know, find homies that
could have you give it to me at the early 2000s price?
Yeah.
Well like I wonder.
The time machine price.
Yeah.
It's funny because just a few weeks ago,
I went to go look to see what that pricing was
around like muscle cars
and like they've settled a little bit,
but they're not like, they're not.
They haven't tanked.
They haven't tanked.
So it's like, it's kind of unfortunate
because I think to the point you make of like modern day,
super cars aren't that exciting anymore.
A lot of modern day cars are just not like filling
the interest.
So a lot of people are buying older
and it's just, it's blowing up.
Like the gap has gotten a lot smaller.
Like it used to be cars that were 25 to 30 years old.
We're going back up in value.
Now it's like cars that are anything maybe for 2010
is where the value is.
And because while super cars may have stayed cool
through to 2020, let's be honest,
like most regular cars kind of fell off after 2010.
And everyone I think started to realize
that these are all going away.
We're going to hoard them all.
But also I think you get to a point where like everything
up until now, this kind of goes into your point of
there's nothing being made new now
that's like raw and manual and exciting.
In the past it was like E36 M3.
Again, I'll use the same example.
Every car kind of hits the bottom of that depreciation curve
where it starts to become acceptable
accessible to kids that have no money and a ton of style.
Right?
And they buy that car, they make it really sick.
And then everybody's like, oh wait, those are cool.
I'm a jump in on that.
And then it shoots up again.
And then you see that happen generally generationally.
I'm seeing that happen to the E92 M3.
Used to be able to,
I know you're right.
I'm letting you cook, bro.
Keep going, keep going.
What is that next one?
Like is the G80 M3 ever going to be that cheap?
And even if it is, or like, what do you turn it into?
Are they going to be expensive forever?
I don't know, that's the tough part for your generation.
Do you know what we are experiencing right now?
Automotive gentrification.
Cool kids are making shitty cars cool again.
And then uncool kids run the prices up.
It's fucking brookin' all over, guys.
But I mean, that's a tale as old as time, you know?
That's been going on forever,
but I think that supply has dried out to me.
Like sure, the GR86, the GR Corolla, the Supra,
wow, all Toyota products.
In our generation, Toyota made nothing cool.
Oh, what?
Yo.
No, Toyota had a drought for like 10 years.
When I got in the car world,
and I was in magazines, Toyota had nothing cool.
They had no performance cars.
They had the MRS, not a performance car.
And I have to say, because I can feel Nick staring.
The Salica.
The Salica GTS, aka the Salica.
I think it was only cool in Europe.
Oh.
Yeah.
Let's take a quick break and we'll come back.
All right.
Okay.
By now you might have realized,
I really enjoy European things.
I mean, my car is a European.
My tools are European.
I mean, my producer, he's British,
which I think is still European.
That was rude, but go on.
Did I tell you what I did this weekend?
What did you do?
So I decided that I'm going to actually park the van
and gone for a little bit and get back to driving the RS2.
Like literally knocked the dust off of it.
And to do that, I figured I'd do a little
preventive maintenance.
It's not something I think of when you, dude.
Yeah, you see the problem is that car
gets a lot of things right,
but there's this one issue where the strut bearings
just constantly fail,
especially if the car is like slammed on its nuts,
like minus.
So I ordered a set of strut bearings from FCP Euro,
got them and was going to swap them out.
And I stripped this really annoying nut.
Like seriously curse the German engineer who designed this.
It's like a weird half castle nut.
It requires this weird specialty tool.
And if you put too much force on it, it gives up.
So anyway, I stripped that and now my car was on a jack stand.
And honestly, I was about to just leave it there.
Like I've left many other projects to die,
but it's the RS2.
So headed in, went to fcpuro.com, found the part,
because they had it in Arizona,
they were able to overnight it to me.
Boom, I had it the next day at my farm,
got the car back on the road.
It was awesome.
FCP Euro most likely has the parts you need
and get them to you pronto.
You know, so you can keep driving the cool cars.
That's what matters.
All right, so let's bring up a touchy subject
now that we've had some snacks.
So I know early on you shall take over stuff for some of it.
Like where did your, where's your opinion on that then,
now all that?
Cause man, takeovers man, I'm sorry.
But right now from, okay, takeovers didn't even get popular
until after COVID.
Yeah, like, you know, before, like I said,
it was just car meets and people would do burnouts at the end.
But since the streets were so empty during COVID
and there was nothing else to do,
everyone would come out like and just drive on
and then like cops wouldn't come for two hours.
I remember being out there.
And so it felt for the first couple of years during COVID,
I'm not gonna lie, the definition of a takeover
was a little different.
I mean, in the Bay area, they call them side shows.
But I mean, people were hanging out there.
2006, so.
Oh wow.
Yeah, it was kind of like that vibe, I hope.
It was more like a party vibe than a...
It was very much like a party
It was like industrial areas.
People were, nobody was stepping in front of cars.
It was like, wasn't a thing.
Like it was just...
There was like a respect still,
like now it's just complete disrespect
to everybody and everything.
And I don't stand for that.
And I started realizing that after COVID.
It's funny, because I have a story of the last time
I took photos at a takeover, which was in 2022.
And I parked my car next to a fire hydrant.
And this is when the task forces started coming out
and stuff and my car wasn't blocked in,
but I was right next to them.
So we all, all my friends ran into the store
and we just waited it out.
And then we came back outside.
And of course, like my car started in the cops.
I'm like, hey.
And then one of the cops actually pointed a gun at me,
believe it or not.
Whoa.
And he was like, get out of the car.
And luckily he saw my photos
and he knew who I was.
Oh, in no way.
Yeah. And he was like, yeah, I've seen your work.
Like it's very nice.
Cause he pulled me out and like,
they were arresting everybody that they bought you.
So he pulled the gun and then complimented you after.
Yeah. He pulled it.
He was like, get out of the car, put keys, whatever.
Yeah. And then he told me,
I'm gonna let you go this time
cause I really like your work.
And if I ever catch you out here,
I'm gonna arrest you like those guys over there.
Wow.
After that, I was like, yeah, it's not even worth it, bro.
Like I, if a cop is telling me that
I'm not arresting me and all that.
And I should probably focus on better things than this.
And then I did.
And then overall, like takeovers just started getting worse
and worse.
And I'm glad I exited that, that realm
because it's just gotten really bad.
Like, yeah, I don't defend takeovers for sure.
Like right now at all.
Like, it's pretty sad, honestly.
No. And like, I, you know, as a lunch journalist,
like, and that's why I went to a side show.
Cause it was like, I want to tell a story of the culture.
Like I was, and it felt very different than that.
And I don't want to be the like in more generation
when we did what we did, we did it safe.
But it's true.
Yeah. I mean, I, for me, I got involved in around street racing
in like the late nineties and fast and furious
ruined street racing because street racing used to be
like really organized in New York.
And there was a bunch of like old heads,
like old Italian mobster dudes who would fuck you up
if you tried to act fucking dumb, right?
Like there was just a, like a code of the streets
going out racing.
And then all of a sudden fast and furious came out
and everybody thought that it was going to look like that.
So like, you know, a lot more people started to show up
and like people were just like wilding for no reason.
That's kind of, it's funny.
Like, I guess that's like the social media.
I feel like social media ruined.
Yeah. I don't even like same takeovers anymore.
It sucks so bad, but I'll just say side shows.
This sounds a little better, but I think social media
definitely ruined that culture of at least drifting.
It was like, it was my experience of drifting
because obviously in Japan, when they go out
into the streets, they are very respectful.
This is Japanese culture in general, but here, you know,
it's just, you know.
Well, and I'm sure at a certain point, like I've never,
I don't think I've ever been to a side show
or a takeover or any of that, but I get the feeling of like,
when you were going there originally,
it was about like who could put on the best show, right?
And then at a certain point, it's like,
who can get the best clout?
Like you get clout jizzers that are like,
I need to see someone get flipped upside down.
I need to see a car on fire.
I need, and it just like that one up and shit every time
just ruins things.
I'm going to ask the oldest man question
that's going to get asked tonight.
All right.
All right. So I need to understand.
Well, I guess the part for me, like I get,
like I understand the attraction of the side show takeover.
Like I understand like it's lawless, it feels wild.
Like I did shit like that growing up as a kid.
Not that particularly, because honestly,
we didn't really understand the cars drifted back then.
But like, I was in, like I remember,
like I could understand the excitement.
I remember going to punk shows that were like outlaw shows
or outlaw raves or things like that.
And it just was like this mass energy.
It was the same thing, the energy, you know.
Yeah. And like you, it feels so cool.
And you're like, there's this like, oh man,
we're about to get caught.
Like I know and I understand that excitement.
I think when things started to get to the point
where it's like, I don't get this was when people were like
purposely trying to like step out in front of cars.
And like this, I realized that this may be
the old man side of me, but I'm like, I don't,
I just do not understand that.
Do you understand it?
Okay. So that obviously when I,
that didn't really even start happening
until I left that scene.
So I remember I've only seen one person get smacked.
That's what we call it.
Get back or get smacked.
I feel like now that's like the thing
or maybe that's just what makes it to social.
Cause like my entire understanding of takeovers now
is literally just seeing it on social
or seeing the aftermath in my neighborhood.
Right. Like that's it or hearing it at night.
But it just seems like that's just crazy to me.
Yeah. And I can't relate to any of that.
Like I would never want to even want to get smacked
in the first place.
Yeah. I can't imagine.
When I was going, it was literally a circle.
And like the cars would get close to you.
But obviously if you know how to slide a car,
you can kind of get close.
But I mean, towards the end, yeah,
when that cloud started like seeping into that community,
there were definitely people like trying to get close,
trying to get the angle and stuff.
And it was be like the worst video ever.
But then yeah, I remember when I did see this dude get smacked,
he got up and he was cheering.
He's like, yes, I got smacked.
Wow. I was like, okay.
And then the month later, I had a gun on my head.
So I was like, I need to get the frigate out of here.
I feel like the internet, well, social media,
not just the internet, but social media kind of super charges
the timeline of all this stuff.
Same exact thing happened with builds.
Right. Like to us, 500 horsepower was a lot back in the day.
Right. And now we're in a time where if you're not making 1200,
what are you even doing?
I love that three months ago is a thousand.
Like it's already inflation is just already hitting horsepower.
You have GTRs and then you have like,
Nelson racing engines doing 2000 plus horsepower.
Like it's gotten nuts, right?
And with takeovers, I'm sure it was the same thing.
Like at first, yeah, it feels cool.
Like, oh, damn, okay.
There's an empty intersection.
Let's get a couple cars, you know, go around.
It wasn't even like the,
I think the intersection part of takeovers started happening
and that was when it got bad.
Like, because, you know, like,
it used to be industrial.
Yeah. And the cops used to pull up and they would know.
I mean, that one spot in Compton.
Yeah.
The one that was next to 686.
Most people, I think, in this thing.
That's like the famous spot.
Yeah. It had been going forever.
Yeah. And the, you know, everyone knows,
even the cops know and we're out of harm's way.
And there's no one there at night.
Yeah. You're not impeding warehouses.
You're not impeding ambulances or buses,
but then it became more of like a weird,
like I think the excitement was not the activity.
The excitement was like, we're fucking, we're taking over.
I think that's the word.
Yeah. Yeah.
We're fucking up the city.
That's why like side shows way better,
because that, I feel like side shows was before takeovers.
No, no, for sure.
Side shows are part of the way from back in the 80s.
It was like the punk shows you were talking about,
but with cars.
But now it's not like that at all.
Like, I don't, yeah, I don't even want to talk about it.
No, for sure.
But it is, it is like, it is a really important thing
because at first it was annoying.
It was whatever.
Like we were just old man yelling at a cloud.
And we realized we were running Hooning at the time
and we're doing burn yard, which looks,
has a lot of similar activities.
For all intents and services.
I mean, a lot better drivers.
But like in all intents, right?
Like felt similar.
But we were also the one saying there being like,
you need to keep the shit the fuck off the streets
because like this is bad for all of us.
Like this doesn't work out.
But like we were talking about, you know, before the pod,
like people watch that and they see the energy,
they see the excitement, style.
They want to do that.
Nobody has a private yard that they could,
most people don't have a private yard
that they can do this stuff in.
So they just want to do it wherever.
And then you have like challengers and charger,
Hellcats, like you have access to this stuff
and it gets out of hand.
But what really sucked for us was
when you have police out there
that see any car that's modded
and they're like, take over, over.
It doesn't matter if it's Scottos 360,
it doesn't matter if it's my Lancia,
if it's got an exhaust, if it's loud,
they're like, you're part of that crew now.
My rabbit, I'm like, this ain't taking over shit.
Right, right, right.
Yeah, and like that is brutal
for car community in general.
I think we all as a car community,
because I mean, who's a car enthusiast
that take over these days?
I guess that was what I was gonna ask was,
do you feel like there's any car enthusiasts left there?
Like it's a different type of enthusiast.
Yeah, I think, I don't even think it's,
I think they just see what cars could do it,
which is like the G35s and all that, right?
Cause you don't see like-
That's gonna be the rarest car in 10 years.
They're gonna be the last.
They've all been destroyed to take over.
It's already pounded.
I watched one get like eaten by the machine the other day.
I don't know even know where it was,
but they were like, we impounded your car
and then like it turns it into just pieces of scrap metal.
I'm like, so many G35s are gonna go that way.
I'm gonna set a reminder for myself in like 15, 20 years.
What's the price of G35 coupe?
Like it's like in one now.
Yeah, you're like, this is one of seven left in silver.
You're like, wow, that's the most popular.
Wow, you know, they're all gone.
This one has the Brembo brake package.
It's selling for 300,000 dollars.
I remember when they were too grand.
At me come.
Yeah, no, it's, you know, to rewind back
and like thinking about the kids getting, getting smacked.
It's like, it kind of reminds me of in action sports.
There were those kids who would just hug themselves.
Like they weren't actually good at the sport,
but they would just send it.
And I'd be like, you know, you literally just came here
to break yourself today.
You have no idea what you're doing.
I guess there's always, always gonna be that
like in every, in every space and every sport.
It just, that's the part that like,
like it literally freaks me out.
And it's also like some of these takeovers I've seen
that I'm sure we've all seen this, like dude gets hit,
Glock falls out with like an extended 30 play.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then you're like, you're like, this is insane.
Well, and that's why you can't be surprised
that like a cop came up, you're like, gone out
because they have no idea like anybody
in any of those cars could be strapped as well.
And like for them, that's a scary thing to go into, you know?
Yeah. And you know, I was, I was young, you know,
I was only 21, 22 back then.
And so.
And we're not judging you on it cause at that age,
I could, especially as a photographer.
Oh, for sure.
I want 100% a seat, an attraction to go and capture that.
The photos, I wish I could post them today
and show everybody, but you know, like I wouldn't do that.
But the photos I would get.
See that for a book one day that was in 20, in 10, 15 years
from now, hopefully when takeovers are well-bought
behind us.
It seems like they're doing a good job.
There's an interesting moment of like
before it turned into what it became.
So yeah, I'll hold onto them.
Maybe one day you guys will check it out.
That'd be cool. I would buy that.
So I want to kind of go back.
So like, do you feel like the younger generation feels
the same way we do about takeovers where we're like,
this is really fucking bad and this is like,
going to ruin it for everybody?
Or is there a mix?
I feel like you do have to educate the new car enthusiasts
before they go to a takeover.
Like because, I mean, there are, it's rare
that some sick cars go out there,
but there still are some good crazy cars
that go out and like, whether they're stolen or not, you know?
But I think, yeah, everyone should be educated.
Like, yo, it sucks that we have no more tracks in the city,
but that's also what I'm trying to do.
I recently got a drift car, a 350Z LS swap, shout out,
auto link, shout out, street arrow.
And I want to try to find, I mean,
there's no tracks left in the city.
So we need to bring kind of like that Hoonig culture vibe back
in order to maybe educate more people
on like burnout etiquette, honestly.
Yeah, I mean, look, I thought burnout was great
when we were doing it and it was once a month,
which was great, because it gave the time for that.
There were a couple like sort of sideshow kids
that did come out for it.
A lot of obviously drift kids came out for it
and kind of did all that,
but we were like working with Sheriff's Department
and all of that stuff because we saw the value of like-
Giving people a place to do it.
Yeah, and the Sheriff's Department,
you know, and I say this a lot,
it's like a lot of guys in the Sheriff's Department,
their car guys, and it's like they enjoy it too.
But obviously they'll be, they'll tell you,
they're like, you don't understand,
like we're getting pressure because of these takeovers
and people are upset about them and annoying all these issues
and all these videos show up
and they're getting sent to the precinct
such and such and such,
and we have to do something about it,
but unfortunately it's like a powder keg at a takeover.
Like if we roll into a takeover and try to shut it down,
there's a really good chance people are gonna get hurt
because people are gonna try to leave
and crash into each other.
And it's just chaos.
And it's chaos.
It's true.
And he's like, we would also need so many cops to do that.
So it has to be like a task force type thing to go do it.
He's like, so instead, like tickets have to get written.
And then all of a sudden it's like,
everyone leaving a car's in coffee, now it gets a ticket.
So at the end of the month, they can say,
what were you doing about takeovers?
Oh, well, we ticketed, you know,
a thousand illegally modified cars.
And the people who don't understand the culture go,
okay, good, those people.
It's like, no, but the thousand people who got ticketed
was like Jay Leno leaving Malibu.
Right?
Yeah, so I think I have to kind of,
it's still the same subject, but I'm gonna deviate a little bit.
Ron asked me about Alex Choi.
Yep.
And if you guys don't know me,
I used to shoot for Alex Choi.
I'm still very cool with him,
but I used to do all the videos with him.
I've seen the Tesla jump live.
I literally filmed that.
That's wild.
And a whole bunch of other things
that I'm probably not gonna say right now, but,
as you guys know, Alex is working with CHP now,
for the greater good.
I don't fully know.
I actually-
That took me by surprise.
I had no idea.
I don't know that.
I know that he's built this 911,
that it kind of, what was that movie with Jake Gyllenhaal,
where he's like night crawler,
where he knows and like shows up to the crime scenes,
that almost sounds like what Alex Choi
has been doing recently, right?
It's funny, yeah.
He's told me he's been educating the highway patrol
and cops in general, like,
what is an enthusiast car versus a car
that you would probably see at a takeover?
So I think if there's anyone
that could probably make a positive impact,
it's probably Alex Choi for now.
Wow.
Cause he's just the closest with CHP and stuff.
And he's trying to help the community out.
I think up North Sacramento, I believe,
they have a legal skid pad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's a show and a club.
I think we really need one like bad, just one spot
where everyone could just go to rip some tires
and make that kind of like the car party spot.
And I think when cops pull over like people
and enthusiasts, like, they're like,
why are you speeding like this?
Like, obviously it's not okay, but there's an,
you have to go so far to attract, at least in SoCal,
to, you know, let it out, you know?
Are you, do you know anything about the history
of Brotherhood, Terminal Island, Raceway?
Do you know about that?
Nope.
So I don't actually remember exactly.
I think it was like 80s, 90s was when I think it started.
There was a group called the Brotherhood of Street Racers.
Oh, I've heard of that.
I've heard of that.
And they worked with the city, Long Beach,
to basically take an abandoned piece of property
down in Terminal Island and build it into a drag strip.
And it was after, I think, Lions closed.
And what they, it's really interesting,
there's actually an amazing podcast out there
about the Brotherhood.
We'll leave it in the show notes.
But what was really interesting about it
was that, you know, crime's super high.
It's like 90s, early 2000s in LA,
especially in the Long Beach, Compton area.
And they start doing these events
and they start to notice that on the nights
that they do these events, so they're doing them on Friday
and Saturday, these like open kind of drag race events,
that they're watching a major drop in crime during those nights.
Cause it was giving people something to do.
And it lasted for a really long time.
And there's a lot of stories behind the whole thing.
But when we were at Hoonigan,
we tried to actually try to see if we could revive that
and try it cause we were in Long Beach
and trying to make that work.
And we actually had a bunch of good conversations.
The problem is that the land wasn't there anymore.
But there's, it's not an easy thing
cause you gotta get a lot of people involved.
And it's not, if the police could do it tomorrow,
they would, but it's everybody else.
And there's also all the Nimbies who are like,
I don't want to sit, I don't want it in my backyard.
And that's why like a place like Terminal Island worked
cause it was a shipping.
Nobody's back here.
There's no one there.
So I mean, I think that there is a real conversation
to be had and that's what we tried to do with Irwindale.
And that's why we made the ticket 10 bucks to get in
cause we didn't, what we wanted to be easy barrier
of entry for people like, you know,
that was the whole idea was to give people a place
to kind of come and do that before it all goes away.
And unfortunately we lost Irwindale.
That's right.
You know, all these things have changed.
Lost of Irwindale's brutal.
But you, so you've pivoted a bit from doing pure media
to you throw meats now.
Yes. I love throwing car meats.
It's, I just love car culture in general.
And just, I feel like throwing meats fulfills my heart
and seeing people enjoy cars.
But I've seen, and I don't know if this is,
cause I'm just going by the content I've seen on your page.
Like I've seen you doing a meat at a warehouse
and people throw cars inside of a warehouse.
And it looks wild.
Like it's kind of a sick venue.
Like it's a cool setup.
Like, I mean, that's a possibility, you know?
But like how do you, like you're holding the meat.
You now understand the risk of like,
if that turns into a takeover, like you're marked.
Like that's it.
So how do you police that now?
I, if I'm working with a shop,
I tell them to let their police department know.
Because I'm on the same page as everybody.
Like if I'm giving you a space to enjoy car culture and stuff,
you got to enjoy it in that space.
Don't ruin it for the people outside, you know?
I want people to just come,
enjoy the sounds and sights of car culture
without having to worry about looking over the shoulder
for a cop and stuff like that.
So I, I want people to enjoy it,
but like I want cops to make sure everything else is safe
as well.
So I will gladly tell the police like,
we're going to do this here.
If you can let us do that, you, like,
that would be the mean the world.
And anyone who doesn't listen to that,
like you can pop them if you need to.
Cause yeah, we're all just here just to enjoy cars.
We used to have a huge sign up at 621 Golden
that said don't fuck it up for the rest of us.
Yeah. It only takes one person.
Yeah. And then it chain reacts from there.
Yeah. For sure.
Yeah. So I usually handpick most of the cars
that go into the warehouse or the show,
including like drivers like,
let's say where you're going to drift.
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah. Like I won't let like,
like I need to see proof that you know what you're doing.
If you're trying to go and drive and like,
you know, I just got to see you really know what you're doing.
How many meats are you doing?
Like are you doing like one a month?
Like what's the...
I'm working towards one a month.
Right now I'm doing one like every couple of months
just because I'm working on getting a team.
You actually, this has nothing to do with
like cars are in the pot right now,
but you were talking at a convention
and I know that you need a team to succeed
in like social media and like a bunch of,
a lot of things.
And this is one of those things where I need a team of people
to help me curate and make this car.
Make your vision better.
Yeah. Cause I could at least do it more often, you know?
For sure. For sure.
Yeah. I think what we're getting to is
the brotherhood of Chazzy.
Yeah. You make a new skib pad,
we find a spot and that's it.
You make it happen.
Maybe one day.
The city needs it.
And look, I mean, you know, after the pod,
I'll connect you with people I've already been
having the conversation with.
Cause they keep coming to me and I'm like, bro, I'm 46.
Like no one, like the people who care about me
ain't doing that anymore.
You know?
But I like, I am a big, like we had this saying
in the early, early days of Hooning in,
which is something we stole from skateboarding,
which was like Hooning is not a crime.
Obviously a lot of Hooning is there.
Hooning on the street.
Right. But the concept of it
and the concept of skateboarding is not a crime
is like inherently the activity is not criminal.
It's not murder.
It's not assaulting someone.
Activity, it's where you do it.
But unfortunately the whole thing ends up
getting criminalized, right?
So at a certain point, and like that's how, you know,
a lot of things started to feel where it was like,
whether you were like, I don't street race,
but I'm still labeled as that because I have a car
that looks that way, right?
Or I don't, you know, I drive a drift car,
but everyone thinks I'm doing street drift or whatever.
And it's like, there's like elements of like
gaining this back where like enthusiasts
don't feel like criminals.
And like right now I think, I think in LA,
like it feels pretty criminal.
Yeah, it does.
Oh, for sure.
Like I even like drive cars of mine
that like aren't that wild like my RS2.
You're looking over your shoulder.
And I'll be in front of CHP,
like CHP will be behind me and I'm like,
is today the day?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, something like that.
It's a crazy thing.
Like you're doing no harm to anybody around you.
But like you feel like,
yo, am I gonna get pulled over?
Yeah, yeah.
You're gonna run through everything on this car
and deal with all this stuff.
And it's like, I'm just driving.
Yeah.
I mean, driving the E92M3,
I mean, it's got some type of...
Yours is a target.
It's a target.
That's where the valves come in, you know?
Oh, true.
But like when I've gotten pulled over like twice.
And we all have to wait here today.
Yeah, yeah.
And the cop was like, I mean, he was nice.
He was like, nice car.
Your car's just a little loud.
And I was like, oh, sorry about that officer.
But you know, it'd just be nice.
And then, you know, some officers now
are starting to know the difference.
I don't know if Alex Troy has a...
He's part of it, but hopefully he is doing his part with it.
But I hope more cops, especially Highway Patrol,
like just realize like we just like cars because we...
We're not all that...
Yeah, yeah.
Now I feel like I had to get Alex on the show
to talk to him about that.
That's actually quite interesting.
You should, yeah.
Yeah, that's interesting.
I've never actually met him.
I know he did stuff with us,
but I just wasn't there on the day.
Although that Tesla thing annoys me
because that's the kind of thing
that makes it hard for me to do my job.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Because then I go to cities and they're like,
oh, you're not gonna have copycats?
Exhibit A.
San Francisco, 2012.
And now we're like, ah.
At your meets now, what's the kind of person
that's shown up?
Because I'm not gonna lie, a nighttime meet for me,
I'm like, I don't know, how late am I gonna be out?
I got stuff to do tomorrow.
My car is not cool enough for that crowd.
Tell me about...
I don't have underglow.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We're gonna talk about all that stuff soon.
When you're older, you get super into motorsport
for the most part.
What's the crowd showing up?
Like what type of cars, people?
At your meets.
It's all types of cars.
All over?
Yeah, all over.
You got low riders, you got old school,
you got new schools, you got the occasional hypercar
sometimes, like if that guy has time.
I would have thought it was like really hypercar heavy,
but it's not.
It's everything, man.
Anything that just like, the last meet I had,
I had a four-rotor RX-7 pull-up,
just spitting flames for everybody.
That's cool.
That was the star of the show.
And then other times I'll invite my homie Devon,
who has like Pagani's on to,
let's bring that to a meet.
But yeah, everyone pulls up, very respectful, all ages.
You got people like you guys,
and then you got people that are...
Yeah, you got kids that are like 78 years old,
and they all just love it.
Kids have phones these days, they're recording,
trying to vlog.
You know, car culture is definitely at its peak
as popularity goes, and yeah, I hope it keeps growing.
You said before, and I actually thought this was really funny,
because I think about it now,
and I've never thought about this before,
but like in your era, so like from when you first get your car,
until you're about 30, like you're hyper into
like the flashiness of cars, right?
Like they shoot fire, like they do this,
they make cool noises.
There's chromes, the colors, like the chrome,
the underglow, all of that, like I was into all of that.
And then in your 30s,
you think you're gonna be a race car driver,
and you get hyper into motor sports.
And then in your 40s, you just start collecting rare parts.
Like all the hype is gone, and you're just like,
you see this intake manifold, this is one of six.
Like these become the things you care about later,
like because I think that that's like the weird pace.
Not that I still don't enjoy a bit of flash,
and still have weird aspirations to go race cars,
but like the things like, like the shift.
It's amazing, Brian Henderson, you know, BBS KW,
he just posted a story the other day
with a new speed steering wheel,
and he's like, if anybody has a matching shift knob,
this dude has had like Ferrari FF and RS6 and whatever.
No, he's building like an old Volkswagen for the vibes,
you know, and searching for that one shift knob.
Is he really?
Because he needs, because he hasn't got accepted yet.
That's amazing.
But I'm like, this dude could have any car,
this dude could build anything,
and he's looking for one shift knob
that was made in the 90s, that's like black and red leather,
you know, like he just gets to that point.
Super nostalgia stuff.
Yeah, absolutely.
Do you even know the brand new speed by any chance?
I don't know, I don't know.
New speed was like really hype in late 90s, early 2000s,
in like mostly Volkswagen,
but they also did Honda parts and stuff like that.
But they were like, they were like just, I don't know.
I got one real quick.
What's your of Scottos car collection?
What's the coolest one to you?
Oh man.
I mean, the RWB is a piece of history,
first in the US, yeah, one of the first in the US at least,
and honestly, that car just looks so cool.
Like so much better.
I appreciate that, yeah, it's probably my favorite.
Yeah, I mean, the Ferrari's cool too.
Yeah, it's whatever.
The Ferrari for me doesn't have as much history.
I bring this up because when we were starting the pod,
Scott, I had me pull out the RWB because you weren't here
and Chaz was like shooting it, but then he puts his phone down.
Carl was still running, I was still doing the thing.
And he's like, yo, this thing's so dusty.
He's like, does Scott, does he just not drive it?
Like what's wrong with it?
I was like, nothing's wrong with it.
I'm like, Scott has the 360, he's got the RWB,
he's got the RS2, you know what he drives?
All the time, either the Golf, the Rabbit, sorry,
or the diesel van, or like whatever, the Vanagon.
And I'm just like, that's right.
I drive the RS2 as well, but yeah.
You do, you do sometimes, yeah, but his mind was blown.
Yeah, I was like, bro, I can literally have a layer of dust
on my finger just from one touch.
Oh no, it's really bad, it's really bad at the moment.
It's pretty bad.
I was actually gonna wash it today, and then I did it.
To be fair, it is super dusty in this part of Long Beach.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, cause we got the chem trails.
Yeah, we're waiting for that every day.
Yeah.
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So Ron, what's your favorite car of my collection?
Oh, wow, that's a good question.
I wasn't expecting that.
I will, I have to say it's the RWB,
but for reasons other than it being an RWB.
Like I think the package that you got,
like the X50 is what it was.
Mine's the Andiel dealership package.
X50 was on the 996, you had the Andiel,
like that's really cool and that's rare.
And that car is that like Widowmaker era,
where that thing killed so many dentists and doctors.
I almost killed Ron in that car.
He did, we spun on Queens Boulevard,
fully backwards arriving at a stop.
Well over three feet.
Cause he was like, yo, he just got these CCW wheels on it
and they had, there came from a buddy of ours,
his dad did a ton of track days
and it had these like old track tires
that were blue, like crusty, whatever,
but you had to put the wheels on.
I put the wheels on and I had no idea
what it would eat up track tires.
This was pre RWB, this is before it had the fenders,
anything, it was, you know, a crispy car.
And he's like, yo, you need to ride in this thing.
Like this thing pulls and I was like, all right, cool.
So we go on Queens Boulevard, first gear, second gear,
wow, turbo noises, everything.
And it's like, oh shit, red light.
And then hits the brakes, dude, it happened so fast.
This spin happened so fast, we had no idea.
And like, bro, there was-
It was a movie at the end.
It was this chick at the red light and we're like,
oh, backwards.
And I'm looking at her, she's looking at me.
And Scott-
Perfectly next to her.
Next to her, backwards at the light.
Just backwards at the light.
And Scott-o, like he had just barely owned the car
and it stalled and he's like, trying to turn it off,
but he's on the wrong side.
And like all, and then we drive away.
It's like the whole ride back was like,
tick,
flat spot at all the tires.
I'm like, bro, you almost lost this thing.
You just got it.
And you almost lost this car.
It's literally, I think the only time I've ever driven home
with the radio off with a friend of the car.
Oh, wow.
Yeah, it was silent.
It was silent.
Yeah, but still, that's my favorite car.
Like it's so raw, like you really need to know
what you're doing, you need to respect the car.
Like you just, you get in a car these days,
like I haven't driven an F80, but you know,
I'm sure you get behind the wheel and it's like,
all the nannies are on, you could be an idiot.
You could not know what you're doing.
That thing, you have to respect that car.
Even under breaking a parent,
especially when you're on cold race tires.
What do you think, and you have to speak
for the entire generation right now.
I feel like your entire generation hates RWB right now.
What?
Yeah, am I wrong there?
I mean, because of like, I think like it felt like
it got oversaturated and then there was like the whole
Nikai gluing on the thing and then like internet just exploded.
But maybe that's actually my generation,
is that really short or maybe a few more generations?
I disagree.
I think it's the millennials that are
So it's your generation.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Anti-RWB because for whatever reason,
like it got super hyped.
I think we look at like the RWB is like works of art on it.
So it's still cool to you.
So the gap is on the, yeah it's a little.
It doesn't matter how you get there.
It matters the presence and the style that you have.
I don't think like you could still race out a car,
but I don't know if race applies as hard as it used to.
If it was up to me, I would put,
if I can for a C5 for example, bro,
I would put like spinners on it at Chrome wheels,
like low make sure it's lower,
like halfway pop up headlights,
like you know what I mean?
Like bring some like, I would put like crazy paint on it too,
like if I could just do that, you know?
I love underglow as well.
Like I'm glad underglow is kind of making a comeback.
I hope spinners do as well.
Like someone should start doing that.
I went to hurt a long time ago now.
It's like six or seven years ago.
I was like, we should start like a drift wheel spinner company.
Yeah.
And like this would kill.
Like I would, I would be down.
Cause really it's like I worked in hip hop,
car culture, that was what I did before this.
I worked at a magazine called rides,
which was like the competitor for like dub back in the day.
And it's like, I was there when like the spree wells
first dropped and like that was like,
even if you thought they were dumb,
there was still something.
There was technology, but there were floaters,
sploters, spinners.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And like you could think they were dumb
until the first time somebody rolled up on you
and either was floating at 60 miles an hour next to you
or was spinning stopped like.
So cool.
Like on like like in Miami on like,
what was that like Collins or whatever,
like card roll up and just the wheels are still spinning.
You're like, all right, that's cool.
Yeah.
Like I never got to, I don't think,
I've only seen like one car have spinners like my whole life.
Wow.
I swear.
Yeah.
And that's what I'm saying.
Like I feel like.
That's crazy.
Yeah, I really want my, I'm speaking
from my generation now.
I think spinners need to come back for sure.
And just make them cool.
I'm not against that.
I'll bring, I would love to bring spinners back.
Imagine drifting with a floater.
So you're going through a corner tire smoke,
but the face stays.
Yeah, I think this just adds to just another factor
to the car.
Some guys have done it.
I've seen a few, but like no one jumped into it.
Yeah.
When we were, when wheel pros had bought Hoonigan,
I was trying to convince them like,
dub wheels should come back in 17s and 18s and 19s in spinners.
But the designs, like just steal the design
from Motegi, like literally just take like
Japanese style designs, but make them spin.
Yeah.
You know.
Yeah.
I mean, if you pull up to a car meet, any car meet these days
and you got spinners on, you're for sure like.
At all the attention.
Yeah.
What are you seeing spinners on right now?
Like, not like he's not saying.
He's not seeing at all.
I mean, like I would put them on like, not like slam cars,
but you know, like nice show cars that you see at like,
like the convention shows.
But I mean, I don't really like convention shows
because they're just inside.
I think spinners on drift cars would be fantastic.
Yeah, I would love that.
I think visually it just creates such a look.
Like I don't even know how they activate when you're popping
clutch or something, anything like that.
I don't know if they just fly off.
I don't know.
I pitched Dick to Ken once and he just looked at me.
See.
He was just like, because that's the next generation.
That generation.
Me and him technically are both Gen X,
but he's closer to boomer.
Yeah.
It's a little different, but.
God.
Yeah.
What?
It's true.
That's crazy.
I mean, I guess I get, you're a millennial.
Yeah.
Are you Gen Z technically?
I mean, I was born in 98.
I have no idea what that means.
It's crazy.
27.
I was on my way.
I was already in college, but sure.
I mean, I'm so beautiful.
You could literally be my son.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's crazy.
Oh, man.
Yeah, I think spinners should come back though.
Like, if there's one thing you take away from this podcast,
someone let's listen to it.
Let's not even hold the things we talked about.
I will wrap.
Like, they got to look nice, obviously.
They can't be like cash spinners,
but if someone could do it, like, I'll highly rock it.
Yeah, the tech is definitely there.
It's been there.
Yeah.
So that's one thing I think car culture is missing
as far as aesthetics on a car.
Like, yeah, we need spinners back, for sure.
Undergoing back, we need spinners back.
This is like the equivalent of subway takes on cars.
Like, this is a hot take, and I 100% agree.
Yeah.
Yeah.
A hot take, spinners need a big comeback.
Yes.
What car would you run spinners on of your own collection?
You got FDRX7, probably.
I think it would look best on that.
I have a video.
The Lauchia would be weird.
It would be weird because they're 15s,
and I think a spinner that small would just be like,
it'd be like one of those hats with the fucking,
you know, the Whirly Gigg.
Like, what are you doing?
What are you doing?
I think JDM cars, like the JDM classes, the spinners.
The FD.
FD on spinners would have some.
The FD and C5 on spinners are what I see right now.
I'd run my D2S8 on spinners.
I secretly wanted to put underglow on that car
because I eventually am going to put it on air
and run it on 20s.
And something about like really big body,
so it's a big body Audi S8.
Like something about big body cars slam to the floor glowing
is just kind of like that VIP spec.
That's dope.
That's dope.
Always appreciate it.
Man, spinners.
All right, yeah.
I would love to see it.
I'm shocked that it hasn't happened yet.
Let one of us know whoever's listening.
Because I think you kind of answered it.
But I'm curious if you have any other thoughts on it.
But like with social media right now
and what's getting attention and what's next
and like what are you looking at?
Like, I don't know, what's your relationship with social
and how do you one up what you've been doing before?
Or do you even care?
I mean, I just like cars.
I think I got just people really like my photos
and just kind of gain traction from on social media
because of that.
And I think you might have answered it before a little
bit too, but like it's for you now because at your young age
you've seen a lot.
You've seen so many more cars than either of us
saw at that age.
Like every super car, every hyper car, every RS, whatever.
So is now like the rarest of the rare.
That's the next big thing for you.
Yeah, like I really want to shoot a Hennessy,
like a Hennessy F5 Zinger.
They're based in Long Beach, I want to shoot one of those
out in the wild.
A Zinger like with a CZ or a Zinger.
Oh, OK.
CZ.
Yeah.
And yeah, just cars like that, like I'm going to go to Japan
at the end of the year.
I want to shoot like, I definitely know there's going
to be like Valkyrie.
I think the F50 GT was at car week.
I never even got to see that car.
Just stuff, true unicorns.
Yeah.
Like one of five CLK GTR.
I'm going to the Eider Race with RWB, the share you should come.
Let me know.
It's in August.
Let me know.
What part of August might be at car week?
I don't know.
Back at back half of August, I think.
OK.
Yeah.
Let me know.
I'm down.
I've actually never been to Japan, which is weird.
Whoa.
Wait, wait, wait.
That's quite easy.
Now this isn't what we're talking about now.
You have to go to Japan not only for the drifting,
but I mean, man, like Japan is heaven for car culture.
You know, if Scott comes back a JDM dude, yes.
And you have R-DVB.
Actually, that'd be insufferable.
But you know that like, I don't dislike JDM cars.
No, I know.
I just don't fit in many.
Oh, right.
The other day I was talking to Vinny about trading him
my Ferrari for his new GTR.
Yeah, because I was like.
The R-33?
Yeah.
Wow.
Yeah.
With a little cash on top.
Yeah.
But like an R-33 on a Rekamasters, like that's like a perfect car for me.
Like I love because remember when we had that R-33, I drove that to Vegas.
And I was like, oh, yeah, this is like finally a car.
I fit amazing highway car.
Like other than like evos and Subaru's like his FDR 7, like I have no idea
how it fits in that.
Like I do not fit.
Custom seat.
Yeah, I do not fit in like most J cars.
So because it's not that I don't like them.
It's just like when you don't fit in.
Yeah, that makes you would just appreciate I think the culture.
It was amazing.
All of that.
And the reason I never went was because I always worked with a group of people
where other people appreciated it more.
So when I was at zero 60, it was like the guys who were more into that.
I sent, I was like, you take this trip.
And then when I was, you know, when we were at Hoeningan, it was like, OK, like
hurt, you should go here.
You should go, you know, like because I was like, I'll take the Germany trip.
Oh, OK.
You'll also be an automatic celebrity there.
Because everybody's going to think you're a basketball player.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You got some more questions for us.
Man, the generations meet.
Let me think.
I asked you the main question was about the inflation of car prices.
Yeah, that I just wanted to confirm it.
It's something that's really unfortunate.
Like I see it and I actually we've asked this question on the pod before.
It's like even just new cars.
Like what is the new enthusiast car that other than the GT86?
There's very few things out there that are affordable and fun to drive.
Yeah.
The other thing.
Oh, go ahead.
Where are the enthusiast cars that were brand new on sale, like affordable?
Or was it?
Yeah, because like, I mean, obviously, front wheel drive cars are a lot cooler
during our era, but so you've got like the Civic, you know, we didn't get the
type bar, but we got the SI, the Volkswagen, GTI.
Like these were all all these cars.
It's true.
Sub 30,000 dollars.
Yeah, because I got in 2005, my first new car was a Subaru WRX.
I got it new.
I leased it because that's the monthly payment I could afford.
But still, like, yeah, back then.
What was that new 32 or 27 or 26?
Mine was 26.
And like, yeah, I worked really hard.
Like I did valet parking like six days a week in the summer to be able to afford
that, but it was like, I can do that.
You know, like, I don't know like what job at that age you can run now and get like,
you know, I think a problem that we might see in the future is like.
There is a lot of there's going to be a lot of young people that want to get
into these enthusiast cars and who knows how expensive they will be.
Yeah, I'll tell you another thing that I think, um, like shifted the whole
perspective of it is.
I don't remember seeing Lamborghinis out in the wild.
Like that just wasn't a thing.
Well, I mean, but you know what I'm saying?
Like when, when I was like in the late nineties and early 2000s, like it was
really special to see something like that.
Yeah.
Nine, like the amount of GT three R S is running around right now, right now in
the streets of California is crazy.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
And like that car is hundreds of thousands of dollars.
And I think like, and we weren't paying attention to that as a kid.
I think you were looking at things that felt like more in reach.
You're talking about things like Supras and stuff like that.
It's like they were, they weren't affordable, but they weren't hundreds of
thousands of dollars.
Yeah.
So like the ceiling really raised up as to like what became car culture.
And look, there were always the kids who climbed over the Enzo, but and the McLaren.
But like the McLaren F one, like didn't hit a million dollars until like 2005.
Right.
Like the, that was the most expensive car in the world to us.
I'm sure there was some bullshit classic fucking steampunk thing that people
paid a lot of money for.
But to what matter to us, that wasn't much.
The Enzo was like a 300,000 car.
And that's crazy because they go for like up to 12000000
No, I know.
And it's like, what the heck?
You know, so it's like, though we didn't, I think it wasn't just that there
were no low price cars.
It's like, we, I don't really remember feeling like the community as a whole
was reaching for these big things.
Like you could just have a really cool civic, GTI.
And you, you felt like you were part of the community.
You know, where like now it's like everybody wants a GT3 RS.
And guess what?
Not everyone can have it.
Yeah.
And if you don't have one, it's like, oh, whatever.
It's, it's like the first like you hit mega success on YouTube and you get a
three RS.
Here's, here's one.
How much do you think I paid for my nine 11?
I'll give you the stats on it.
I bought it in 2010.
It had 33,000 miles on it.
It had, it was all original.
Um, it had aftermarket turbo twists on it, but it had the one fender had been repainted,
but otherwise great car.
What year was it?
It was a 1991 turbo.
Right.
If you paid, I mean, just 2010, you probably pay like 20, 30 grand, 35, 35.
It's a turbo.
It's a turbo.
Okay.
Okay.
35 grand.
Yeah.
That I would see.
I know where the market's gone.
Like when he was buying that thing, all of us in the office at the magazine we were
working at were like, bro, just buy an Evo 10.
What are you going to do with an old nine 11?
Like that's whack.
And he's like, I don't know.
I just kind of like it.
It's like a natural progression.
We're like, all right.
Like, yeah, it's cool, but like 35 grand for a 91, you're crazy.
Whoa.
And now you're like, put it down for a down payment for a large house.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Easily, easily.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I mean that, so all of it is like really, really explore.
And 2010, I feel like was the, you know, 2010 was a big one, but for me also COVID changed
so much in that.
Like for us, having one cool car was sick.
If somebody had two cool cars, like an S 2000 and an STI, it's like, yo, what do you
do for a living?
Yeah.
Yo, that's crazy.
Oh, wow.
That's not what you do for a living.
It's like, you sell drugs?
Yeah, you sell drugs.
And then all of a sudden, like myself included, like COVID happened and everybody had five
cars and some of them were projects and some of them were cool, but all of a sudden, like
everyone you know has a collection and it went nuts.
Everybody started buying cars left and right.
And like that shifted a lot of things.
Like all of a sudden everybody's like, yeah, let's, let's just keep buying like cool,
used cars and build them up and tune them and everything.
I think that goes, it's weird.
It goes hand in hand because I think the popular, the popular people are starting
to like cars more, right?
Yeah.
Like car culture as a whole is going, going up.
So there are more people in the space and maybe that includes some people with more
money than others that just got into it late and just want to, you know, I need this
car as my dream car now, 40 grand for, for like another car.
That's like, so there's a piece of that because you have this older audience that has
disposable income and they're buying up that stuff.
You also have that the cars, cars have become the new art to the rich and art.
The reason why, the reason why rich, the rich by art is because it's not taxable as easily.
So I could buy my car for 35 grand and then I can go sell it for $300,000.
Right.
And I don't have to pay capital gains on it.
Oh, I mean, technically you probably are supposed to be tackle capital gains, but
there's no tracking system.
It's not like there is an art.
If you made that much in stocks, like you just, it's automatically filed.
You have to pay that tax.
Yeah.
So if you were, if you were sitting here today and you said, okay, I've got, you
know, $100,000 I want to invest in, right?
Do I want to put it into, you know, whatever, fucking this stock, that stock, right?
You know, SpaceX, right?
Um, or do I want to put it into cars?
And if you really had a good, you know, a good idea of like, Hey, well, this is
probably what's going to be worth something in 10 years.
The upside to the car thing is that you'll probably get away paying no taxes.
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
You're gonna pay a capital gains, which is a large percentage tax on any other money you
make.
So a lot of people now are investing cars.
The other thing, and this is way shadier, a lot of people launder money through cars.
So like they're, they're cleaning their money through buying cars overpriced and
moving them around.
So like that's under and it was like engine blown, whatever, and then fixed it and then
move it.
Yeah.
So like there's, so a lot of people have realized that.
And then the other part is, is there's just become a dick measuring contest for
rich people.
Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, to, to a certain extent, Pokemon.
Yeah.
It's like, yeah, yeah.
Or like sneaker culture.
Yeah.
I just want it all, you know.
So, you know, there's, there's that.
And I, as someone who loves the hobby wants to see more younger and younger kids get
into it.
Um, like I was stoked to hear you say you got into it from video games because there
was a period of time when the Prius was really cool.
And that's all anyone talked about, that everyone kept asking me, you know, what's
the future of cars?
Like people don't like cars anymore.
Oh, really?
Yeah.
I mean, there was this stat about how, uh, young kids were no longer getting
their driver's license, right?
When they turned 16 or 17 and that was like this really upsetting stat in the
industry.
And I said, they're all just playing video games.
Like don't worry, they're there.
Oh, they will get there.
Like we know they're there.
Like they're playing Forza.
They're playing Gran Turismo.
They're playing midnight club.
Like, yeah, they're there and they're going to get there.
And, uh, and I think that really is true.
Like I think, cause you look at the cars that are cool today.
It's like a lot of those cars became cool because you played them in video.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's true.
I'm glad Forza Horizon six just came out now.
I have only watched people play.
I've never played it, but you know, I should soon.
But, uh, I mean, I've played Gran Turismo a lot.
I love Gran Turismo.
It's dope.
I that that could be the midnight club for the next generation.
You know, that that's setting, that's setting the new, the new set of enthusiasts.
Yeah.
I think, I think for Forza Horizon, uh, did a good job on releasing Japan and doing,
doing what they're doing right now at a good time because I mean, yeah,
Japanese car cultures, like no other, like you can't even relate yet, but maybe
in August we can.
I mean, I've seen it all, but not up close and personal.
I've done the research.
If the feeling you get is just like, whoa, like you gotta go.
Yeah.
Let's see.
What other questions do we have on the generational conflict?
Okay.
Here's a good one.
Um, can you explain to us why you guys like Burble tune?
There's no one.
I mean, maybe it was a stage, but I don't tell me there's no one because I
motherfucking drove by like six seconds ago.
I could hear it.
I think when you're in a car, cause like, you know, when I first got into the M3,
man, like I just love the way it sounds and you're just selling everywhere.
Yeah, exactly.
Like the downshifts, all that stuff.
Maybe it's a phase, like someone who maybe gets there.
Do you like it?
I don't personally.
Like I ever.
Hmm.
No, I like two step.
I like anti-black.
That's the next question because like you got like, that's definitely, I don't
know, like we all revved our cars, but I feel like it's two step and two step
competitions and like that being a reason to get together is huge.
And I will first admit that I have reached an age where like, I think
concerts are too loud.
So clearly I'm already, I'm already in a place where I'm like, if this
concert would be way better if it was just a little bit lower.
Yeah, I'm far from that.
This is what you got.
This is what you gotta look forward to, man, because I was the kid who used
to be at punk shows getting his ears blown out.
So, but, um, what, you know, like for you, like the two step thing, like what's
like explain it, like why, why do you love that?
Okay.
So.
Cause like, you know, that's a bit of, when you're doing a burble tune, it's
just like pops and just noise, right?
But when you're listening and actually next to a car that's full on two
stepping, spinning flames, you actually feel it in your body.
Yeah.
And it's just like one of the loudest things you'll ever hear.
And it's like, I know, you don't hear that every day.
That's pretty cool.
So I'll explain it.
And I'm having a little bit of a moment here too.
Listening to like how your car world was shaped by midnight club.
Mine was shaped by Gran Turismo.
I realized why I'm such a fucking nerd about cars.
Cause to me, everything was like handling and specs and spring rates and
damping and all that.
Yeah.
Um, for us, burble tune sucked because.
It's not real.
It's fake.
That's engineered.
You have to tune it in.
Whereas if he drives that RWB around, it pops and bangs and it burbles because
it's got a really stupid old cam in it that it has no other choice.
There's fuel going in and it's exploding.
Like that's real.
That's legit.
Where it's not somebody like, yo, 150 bucks.
I'll tune you in, you know, like a little, it's just natural.
And for us, it's, it's a poser thing.
On a previous show, we refer to it as stolen valor.
It is stolen, Valor pops and bangs.
Cause like, if you have a car that actually does it cause it does the thing,
yeah, that's fine.
But if you tune it in and like, I didn't even know this was a thing, but ghost
cams.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
They tune it in to sound like you have a cam in your car.
It sounds like Lopey.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They, they even the Evo nine, like when they put my VEC in the Evo's, the variable
cam timing, it took away the lope of a big cam.
And so I asked my tuner cause like again, it was hoon again.
I was like, you know, I got it.
I got it impressed.
Zach, you know, I got to show him how a four cylinder can chop.
And my tuner looked at me and he's like, I'm not doing that.
How dare you?
He's like, do you know how stupid your timing table has to look for that to happen?
Cause like, I'm not doing it.
I was like, okay.
He's not doing that.
Cause at some point you're going to bring that tune to someone else.
Oh yeah.
Who's doing this?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's funny because of my first car was a Honda Accord daily.
I still daily do this day.
And you know, I'm, I'm in an experienced car right now.
Like I've seen a lot of like, you know, I know the difference between a verbal
tune and an actual car that does that.
Yeah.
But when you're getting into it, you just are like, I want my car to sound like
this.
And you just show.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
For sure.
For sure.
My Honda, I was like, I just want it to be louder.
And then so this random muffler shop was like, oh, we got you.
Just cut the muffler and straight pipe.
Dude, it's still happening.
It's still happening.
No, yeah.
I think it's that's a part of it.
Yeah.
A time tested tradition handed down from the cavemen to us.
It's cutting off your exhaust.
Yeah.
Installing like the Mustang boys put in cherry pipes.
Yeah.
All those kind of things.
Yeah.
I think it's just a part of like just experiencing what it, what's cool.
What is it?
You don't know.
You're just like, I like how I was going to.
Like you're not going to drop, you know, 500 bucks on a muffler.
Like, but you want that sound.
You want something.
I love my loud cars.
Nine that 911 is pretty loud.
Yeah.
Like it's it and it's especially loud on the like on the chip.
Yeah.
Um, this thing's loud.
Um, my Nova is like, unfortunately, like it is really, really hilarious.
All of them, I think deserve to be allowed.
Um, I find that as I get older, though, like those cars take a lot of energy to try.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, like sometimes I just want to just, I just want to go somewhere.
Yeah.
Like the RS two is the perfect amount of loud.
And by the way, I probably shouldn't say this, but that car is straight piped.
So it's like, yeah, I don't want it to be straight piped, but the turbo quiet.
Sit down a lot, but the turbo quiet.
Yeah.
That's gonna lie.
Yeah.
That's what it has that good sound to, you know, I actually, I need to install
cats on it because it just smells really bad and like, I just don't care about that anymore.
I'm like, this is not cool to me.
I've like lost the interest in that.
Like I get it.
And I understand it, but it's definitely something that I think is like this major divide
between the generations, like the older guys are like, he's going to do two step
competitions.
This just sucks.
I can stand in your shoes and be like, no, this is fucking cool.
And I get it.
Like I used to just sit on, I would love doing burnouts just on the
Refliminer and my front wheel drive car.
Oh, for sure.
Yeah.
With your homies holding it back.
Yeah.
It's like, this is fucking cool.
It's fine.
Yeah.
I totally, I totally get that, but it's a question we had to ask.
I know.
I don't get this with me representing.
The, the, the old head delegation.
No, I know some people give them, they just get annoyed when they see kids all
pull their phones out and run towards a car.
That's doing the two step.
But for them, it's like new.
Like they, they probably only seen that for the first time in person.
You got to remember.
Yeah.
I mean, I remember when I first saw two step ever, like, well, first I saw the
internet and I was like, I got to go to meet just to see this.
And then seeing it in person, it was crazy in person because you could feel it.
And so I'm pretty sure these, these new people.
You do feel it in the chest.
Oh, for sure.
Definitely an experience.
For sure.
Now those, it gets to a certain extent.
I feel like having a loud car, you have power.
Like, you know, if you have a loud car, you go to a meet, you rev it once or twice.
Everyone starts talking about it.
Like, really, this car is super loud.
But if you're revving the whole meat, you become, you become annoying.
The most annoying person.
There's an over 10 window of revving.
Yes.
Yes.
I believe like with the five revs and a couple pops, about chilling at least
until the end of the meet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I fully support that.
Absolutely.
Especially if it sounds good.
Yeah.
If it's a VQ, maybe one or two revs.
Okay, Matt, can I tell you like a signature move I enjoyed as a kid rolling into a
spot as you coming in, pop a rev, then you turn the ignition off and roll into the spot.
Oh, the drag racer.
Yeah.
The drag racer stuff.
Ignition off on the rev up.
Probably horrible French.
Oh, absolutely terrible.
But man, did that sound cool.
Like that was like, and then like you just rolled in and just quiet.
Yeah.
And everyone's like, what's wrong?
I don't want to go shit.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, yeah.
That's why I with the Evo nine was like, evolved noise for me because I had a sequential
and crazy diffs.
So I would roll up to a meet and like the exhaust, it was loud, but the transmission
was louder than the exhaust.
So like, you know, you would stop and someone would pull forward and you
and everybody's like, whoa.
Yeah.
All right.
Yeah.
That's kind of sick.
I will say like, I think one of the coolest noises in a car is a good transmission
wine, but the ultimate noise in the car.
Ultimate like the noise that have I hear, I'm like, I, the pneumatic shift.
Oh, interesting.
You know what I'm saying?
Like if you have a car that has a like that pneumatic shift, because that's like,
that's real race.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I respect your commitment to the game to drive that on the street.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't hear it.
And like, that's a very specific car.
A lot of Ken's cars have the pneumatic shift and now you got guys driving cup cars on
the street and like the 991 plus cup cars all have that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That outfunded trust.
That is just wild.
All like, and that's, that's like a whole thing now too.
It's like, let's just get race cars and put me in the street.
TJ Hunt was on.
That's the next level.
He's talking about that.
Like that's what I was kind of getting at with the social media question is like,
what's next?
I think it like, yeah, I think race cars on the road is race cars on the street.
That's definitely like a newer thing.
I've personally been seeing like, I don't remember seeing that like often at all.
And now it's becoming a little more common, which I'm all about.
And I hope cops know that.
Well, it used to be, let's make my street car look like a race car on the road.
I was a big fan of that still.
And then it became, nah, let's just actually take race cars and plate them and drive
them on the road.
Also a big fan of that.
Like I'm, I think, dude, you want to talk about being tired after driving a car.
Like if I took my Evo to the canyons and on the drive back, no AC, the sun is
beating down all carbon doors.
So you're just huffing epoxy and then like transmission noise and diffs and
like everything's hard mounted.
So the gear stick is like, you know, like it's, it takes everything out of you.
Everything you need to, you need to nap after it, but it's sick.
Yeah.
Driving the Z I definitely relate because after a track day, I'm like, oh my God,
that was insane.
I could be good without drifting for a couple of days.
That's your come back.
That's your drift car.
Oh yeah, we talked about it before.
Is it, um, do you drive to and from the track?
No, I have a trailer there.
You do?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's not your typical, typical Z.
It's, it's a LS one swapped.
Oh, I've seen pictures.
Yeah.
And the pipes coming out the hood and I mean, it's just really, really loud.
And then the, even the shifter and stuff is pretty good.
Almost like Apple Valley.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I mean, there's not many places these days, but eventually like hopefully
with some of the needs I throw, I can, you know, drift in other areas as well.
We'll see.
What's next for you after, after this, when you're doing like, meaning like you
see drifting being where you're putting all the focus in, you still doing as much
photography or you kind of, I still do a lot of photography.
I think just right now I'm focused more on the events and sharing what I've built
from my photography with other people.
So it's, it's cool because now photographers are kind of getting their
light a little bit because we know car, cars from every culture, like just
anything we're interested in.
So over my time of shooting, I just met a lot of friends, you know, after I shoot
a car, we usually go out to dinner or something.
And then I tell them, oh, I'm doing a car meet.
You should come like show off your whip.
So that just accumulates over time.
And yeah, now there's a bunch of different types of cars there.
And photographers like Larry, he, he did a huge meet for Formula Drift.
Yeah.
Like probably one of the biggest.
Crazy.
Ever.
Yeah.
And because I've, I've seen a good amount of cars now.
I want to bring those cars that I've shot to new people who are getting into
cars and that's why I do the meets.
Cause maybe you haven't seen this certain car and I might have shot it before.
And I've had people comment like, yo, could you bring this car to this
meet the next week?
And I'm like, yeah, I was one of the people to feel that feeling.
Yeah.
Like, and like I'm calling my meets photo meets because you come, your
photographers and car enthusiasts can come and yeah, you just take
photos of cars, photo car meet, photo meet, you know,
that makes sense.
I don't like that.
So that's really interesting.
Cause like car meets for us back in the day, we're just a way to meet with
other people that had the same type of car as you.
So you could talk about like what parts you got, what you do on this, what you do
on that.
Whereas what you're putting together sounds more like you're putting
together a car meet for the spectators.
Yes.
More so.
Yes.
I, I, yeah, there's a lot of people like, I mean, unfortunately, cars are
getting more expensive and like if you can't afford a certain car yet, you
could at least see this rare car in person.
Like with a bunch of other cars that you might have never seen before, you know,
like I'll bring a low rider and put that next to a hypercar.
And, you know, certain people will like that.
So I'm certain people like, yeah, I love that.
So it gets people talking as well.
And, you know, you find enthusiasts that everyone likes cars, but you know, you
start opening your eye a little more to a certain type of car you might have
never even thought of if you pull up.
Have you ever been to like a, like, I don't even know if, I think Whittier still
does, they've ever been to like the low rider cruise nights.
Yes.
Yes.
That is something that you need to figure out how to bring back to car culture.
I give you that one is a cruise.
We had in New York, we had DPA, we had Francis Louis Boulevard and like, I don't
know, man, some of the greatest nights were just cruising with your friends.
Yeah.
Like there's something about it because it's like a car show, but you're driving.
Yeah.
You know, it's like you just keep losing.
Yeah.
You get to see everybody because like, you know, one car is going this way and then
you make the U turn and you come back.
I mean, and obviously there's, you know, bad shit that happens too during that.
But like, I've always wanted to figure out like, how can you, we find a place
where we could do like legal cruising and like just set that up.
And let me honestly, the closest thing, there's this event, it would actually be,
I think you would love going to it is the Woodward Dream Cruise in Detroit.
Oh, I don't know how long it is anymore, but that used to do, it used to be like
a 26 mile cruise.
So it's like a parade in a way.
Yeah.
But I mean, thousands and thousands, it's mostly muscle cars, but just seeing all
that out, it was just so like, you're just driving for hours and it's just super cool.
What's that area by under six street bridge?
A lot of people are opening up car shops there right now.
Oh, they're calling it car district.
Yeah.
I'm thinking, so you've got like big times over there, lean customs over there,
motor union is over there.
They're definitely trying to start another wave of like the cruise nights.
I mean, that's cool.
It's a street and like it seems really, really cool.
Like I know they're still renovating in the area, but they see the vision and I see it too.
Like they're lining up all car shops and then people are just parking.
That's really interesting.
Yeah, it is a really dope thing that they're doing over there.
I know a couple of people who actually just rented space over there.
Yeah.
There's more and more car stuff moving in there, which is really rad.
It's funny because original Hoonigan was like not that far from there.
We started over there and back then there was nothing there.
Nothing at all.
In downtown, it was just really super sketchy.
The thing that's weird for me though is like driving to downtown sucks.
It is my favorite place in all of LA to have to drive.
The traffic is always trash and the roads are trash.
Yeah, I've just now realized that with that car.
But it works.
But like, I mean, that's one of the reasons that Hoonigan moved to Long Beach
was it was just the easier to get to for like car culture.
We would throw events and people would be like, yeah, lost my oil pan on the way.
Yeah, eat dirty homies, man.
Oh, man.
But I mean, like even like like air a picture like they're up over that area too.
Not in there.
Yeah, there is kind of a I didn't really think about that.
It's got a groundswell going on of car enthusiasts.
Yeah, it's really cool.
It's cool to see.
Which would never be the place I would imagine.
Like, no, but it never is.
It never is.
It's where like shop spaces start becoming affordable.
Just like cars, you know, like, oh, the cool people are
like, I can't afford like a huge space in, you know, Long Beach or, you know,
like especially up in Santa Monica, forget it.
But DTLA, big warehouse spaces available.
It's kind of cool.
There's a cool vibe.
Yeah, let's do it.
Let's get it.
You're seeing that happen.
Yeah, it's really awesome.
So I look forward to the future for that area.
Like, I think as long as no one misbehaves like too much over there, I think
there's a lot of potential.
Yeah, no, it looks quite.
I mean, I've seen it, but I haven't been up there for an event, but I know the area
really well because Fantasy Factory used to be over there.
But and Jim Seven filming, yeah, right around Magnus's.
We were a blocks away from it.
But but like all the photos that come out of there is cool.
And I think they also do a really good job of like, it's also a very eclectic mix,
which is something like we always tried to do back in the day was like, how do you
get exactly low riders next to drift cars?
Yeah, you know, like all the low rider crew in Long Beach used to always hang out.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So cool.
I like that's a culture like in and of itself that like it's just so unique.
And I love low rider culture.
I live right by El Dorado Park and they do.
They do.
Yeah.
Yeah, they go crazy.
This last Sunday was nuts.
Like I just parked up and I just watched and like some of the guys they haul
ass on like 13 inch wheels.
Yeah.
And it's crazy crazy.
But it's like the variety you see in there.
It's such an alien culture to me.
But like the detail that they have on the on the frame rail underneath that you
wouldn't see unless there was a mirror.
Like that's so sick.
Yeah, I think paint and everything.
Low rider culture is such an interesting car culture itself because it's all style.
It's all style and they're not really on the internet.
You know what I mean?
Like they are, but they it is all style.
But like there's actually their performance is in the way you work the switch.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like that is its own skill.
Yeah.
Not easy.
It's not just like pushing a button like your right rhythm and all of that.
Like I learned the equipment.
Yeah.
Like, you know, Lloyd, like I would go ride with Lloyd and like, man, like you hit
the switch and I won't fuck with getting thrown out of the car.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But you can total a car doing it the wrong way.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
You see the springs pop out.
Yeah.
If you if pop it up and then the wheels are sucked in and it lands all
the way down like, yeah, it's like the landing with no stress through the.
Yeah.
I will say this is a really interesting thing.
I've thought this one of my favorite things about raising my son in Long Beach
because like as a New Yorker, it feels really weird to like realize that like
I'm raising a child who's not a New Yorker.
Right.
Like he's a Long Beach kid.
One of my favorite things about raising him here is to him low riders are normal.
Oh, that's pretty rare.
He sees them all the time.
That's amazing.
They hang out at the park here.
Like we see him cruising down Atlantic.
Like, like we always just see low riders.
Like it's not even a like in the beginning.
He'd be like, oh, daddy, look at low rides.
I pointed out, but now it's just like everywhere.
Like, yeah, cool.
There's a broham next to us on three wheels.
It's so universal.
And I love that because as a New York as a kid in New York, I used to read
low rider magazine as a kid, low rider bicycle magazine.
And I just I wanted to like understand the culture so much more because it just
seemed so different.
Yeah.
You know what though?
It's a really interesting thing.
You look at low rider culture and like we're talking about, well, no one's making
like raw performance cars, whatever.
You know, there hasn't been a low rider made since like the 90s at the very
latest like really stretching like the Lincoln's and everything, but really it's
like 50s, 60s, 70s, you know, you had the early bombs, then you obviously had
the 63, the 64 and Paula with the classics.
And yeah.
And then there's a bunch of 70s cars and 80s cars.
Out here, it's still thriving.
Yeah.
And it's like, I see more of them than I've ever seen.
I feel like.
Yeah.
So let's go.
Maybe, maybe we got that to look forward to.
I also think the thing that low rider culture does really well that I think is
actually falling apart in regular car culture.
And maybe it's because they're not as heavy social push for them.
Is the car club and community supports each other in a really strong way.
Yeah.
So you, everybody helps each other build a car.
Like the car club will get together to get a car built and pushed out for a new
event.
And that's how car culture felt to me in the 90s.
Right.
Like my buddy Jay Slacks built in a car for eight for H2O.
And it's like all of us are at his house for like three weeks before like working
on it every night to get it there.
That feels like that's changed a bit.
Like that doesn't feel, maybe, maybe it's different.
Maybe you could tell me that that still does exist.
I mean, I'm just getting into building cars, fixing, working on cars.
Like I'm, I'm, uh, at the end of the day, a photographer getting into the actual deep.
Like, that's rather than looks.
So I mean, right now.
I mean, you definitely need a community of friends that know what they're doing.
I feel like because of how complicated cars have gotten, it's
low key a privilege to find someone that knows how to work on a certain car.
And you want to keep that person close.
I think just because at least in drift culture, like, you know, when you
break something, you want to make sure you get it done and fixed correctly again.
So you can go back out and like, if it's done incorrectly, then you're like out
until you find someone that knows how to work on it or you do it yourself.
So, um, I think it's still there, but it's not like everyone's doing it now for sure.
Like I feel like most people would want to pay a shop instead because of how
modern cars are and how complicated they are.
You know.
All right.
I got one, I got one last generational question, but anyone got any other ones
before I hit it?
Go for it.
Okay.
But around the room, three car, what's your three car solution?
I don't believe a two car solution exists.
I actually think it's really a four car, but we'll go, we'll, we'll let it go with
a three car solution.
So three car solution, like these are the only three cars you have.
Have whatever you want.
Okay.
But you get what are your three cars?
Three car solution for me is a super fun weekend car.
I guess what most people call it.
Name it.
What is it?
That would be, God.
I want a race car, a weekend car and a daily that you're comfortable in.
So I guess the weekend car would be like a gated Mercy logo.
Doesn't have to be LP640, but I think.
Sick.
Yeah.
I'm just thinking.
Yeah.
I think in the weekend, you know, I think I'll do like candy apple red,
silver wheels, maybe some spinners on there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yo, spinners on the mercy spin spin roll up.
You're still spinning doors go up.
Oh man.
You're, this is why you have 10% female following you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's actually, yep.
We've answered it.
Yeah.
We've answered it.
It took this long.
That's what it's honestly the only reason we brought you on the show.
We're trying to up our stats.
Oh God.
I'm starting to realize like, dude, this is so, wait, did you name all yours?
No, he just did that one.
Oh yeah.
That's it.
Oh my gosh.
He dropped the mic on the first one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Then race car, I mean, bro, I mean, it would probably be some type of drift car,
like maybe S15 street build, you know, like go into the toge, you know, just normal drive.
And then as a daily, that's probably the hardest one because I would still want to,
I wouldn't want to get in a big car, at least the how I am right now,
I don't want to get into a big car and just chill.
Like I want to still drive.
So yeah.
And yeah, that the daily car is the hardest one.
I would probably just say Honda Accord.
Yeah.
Nice to be low key.
Keep it up.
Honestly, that would, that lineup would look sick in a driveway.
Yeah.
Like what are you daily?
Oh yeah.
What you got, Ron?
All right.
So I'm, I'm starting to realize like this generational thing is super real
because everybody harps on millennials as like, you know, millennial gray,
like everything's super minimalist, whatever.
Well, isn't it now millennial green?
You guys got really excited.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Green to it.
Forest greens fun.
Don't even come at me with that.
But it is.
Yeah.
We're, we're getting typecast for that.
So my lineup is very similar in purpose, completely different in the actual car.
So a daily driver, a race car, and a
weekend car, right?
Okay.
Daily driver, Land Cruiser 200 series.
I could talk for two hours about that alone.
Do you go off-roading?
Cause I've never been off-roading.
I haven't in a long time.
When I lived in Utah, every single weekend, every single weekend.
Here, not so much cause it's just trails are blown out.
They're further away.
Like, and it's all like, just like tracks.
Yeah.
Don't let him be too jaded.
Off-roading is still really sick in California compared to a lot of other places.
It's amazing in California.
It's just like, it's.
In Utah, it's like ideal.
It's like, it's perfect.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Um, so the Land Cruiser 200 series, it toes, it's got a forever service life, like whatever.
Um, race car is, I actually have it right now.
Uh, Evo six, like rally car, fully built, like long travel, suspension, sequential, like
all the stuff, like I've, I've acquired that dream car.
That's like amazing to me.
My congrats.
And if I went beyond that, it would probably be like, um, uh, like a 2005 like Subaru WRC
car or something like that, like old school.
And then the fun weekend car, 996 GT2.
Ooh.
I think the 996.
I like the 996.
That's an interesting choice.
I like it.
And yellow.
It's both, oh, yellow makes it.
Yeah.
Like the minute you say 996 and then you say yellow or red.
Yeah.
I'm in.
Yeah.
The 996 GT2, I, every time I've ever seen one of those, I'm like, the front bumper
is so good.
It's such a savage car, like way overpowered, but you could do like a long weekend trip
and also tear it up in a canyon.
Like that's a perfect car for me.
Shout out Midnight Club two again for, uh, the final boss of Paris was a yellow 996.
Wait, no way.
Yes.
I didn't actually know that.
That's sick.
Yeah.
So sick.
Yeah.
Gold 996, but yeah.
All right.
I can't wait to hear you.
Mine are my own cars.
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
Sick.
Weekend car, 9-11.
Okay.
Uh, daily RS2 and like my utility vehicle would be my, my lifted four by four
Akana line van.
I knew it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He, this van.
My van, my van makes 700 horsepower.
So it's like, so you guys have, well, it works.
He loves his diesel van.
Maybe more than.
No.
It's, it's, I like, it's not here right now, but it's, uh, it's, it's a, it's a
special van.
It's got like a full built engine.
This guy's JNK and it's got a four by four.
Like it's up on, I don't have 35s on there.
Wow.
Um, yeah.
It's like, it's weird, but I really enjoy it.
I also really enjoy smoking people who don't think they're going to get.
Oh yeah.
That's the cool part.
Yeah.
Cause it's big.
Like my kid calls it the monster van.
We call it the church van with two U's.
Um, and, uh, yeah, it's, it's, it's a good one.
I want smoke Larry Chen.
I was waiting.
I was waiting.
I only say it.
So we can cut to the footage.
This becomes a joke on the pod.
Cause everybody knows he wrecked Larry's turbo.
Oof.
Yeah.
Sorry about it.
Yeah.
So you both have bigger cars as like your, your day to day car.
Yeah.
Cause that's like, yeah, even though the van to me wouldn't be my daily, the
van's kind of like my, my other car at that point.
Cause I actually, I actually think a four car solution is the right one, which is
like, and it actually wouldn't be the van.
I think the four car solution, daily utility race car, we pick car.
Yeah.
I actually think what you need is a raptor.
Like I think everybody needs a raptor solution, even though I don't own one,
but like the raptor is like pretty fun to drive, but you can also drive it to
your friends wedding.
Oh yeah.
Right.
So like you need that car that can do the other things and then you get your race
car, your project car and your, you know, your whatever, right?
Like that, then you get all of that.
But I also think that you need a fun car that you can drive every day because
race cars and project cars often don't run.
Oh yeah.
You need that car that just keeps you happy.
And that's what the RS two is for me.
Like it's like, I just enjoy driving it, but it's like, it's not that crazy.
Yeah.
I'm just getting into cars like now actually into cars.
So, uh, yeah, I think my opinion.
Meaning all of the cars.
I think as you, as you get on in your car journey, you'll realize how important it
is to have like a truck, whether it's an SUV or a pickup or whatever.
Like it changes your world of like what you could do, the parts you can grab,
like all that kind of stuff.
The marketplace finds you can get.
Yeah.
Like I got a truck.
I'll be there in an hour.
Yeah.
And then you find out what your truck kink is, you know, like, do you like really
off-roading type stuff?
Like for me, like if you look up the Instagram, one of my favorite grams on the
planet, cruisers of war.
Oh, like.
Special forces and the United Nations and NATO, like they all get land cruisers
in bulk and they send them into war zones because they know it'll come right back
out like sick, but you could, you could have your own thing.
You know, like, yeah.
I haven't got there yet, but I will definitely update you guys.
Yeah.
My journey.
We have any other generational questions?
Yeah.
Are we wrapping this one?
Hmm.
I probably have a ton, but I think, I think we're in a good spot.
We can refresh.
Come back.
We've learned a lot.
And at the same time, I feel like we got more common ground than I thought.
Yeah.
I know this is that moment where we realized that until the comments hit and
everyone's like, chat, you're going to speak for me.
I'm kind of nervous, but we're not like, I'm not, I'm not the millennial committee.
And you're not the old man committee, you know, because like I'm getting
close to the old man committee, but you talk to like, you know, Matt Farah and
Johnny Lieberman, like they know all the supercars.
They know all the everything.
They'll talk every last speck of every journalist.
Right.
Right.
And I knew all that stuff when I was a journalist.
Yeah, that's true.
Because when you're a journalist, the sexiest thing is the new hypercar to
talk about, so everyone gets excited about.
Yeah, true.
But I think the minute I got out of journalism, I stopped carrying
a lot of supercars, which says a lot.
So you think for the most part, like people your age, just like they,
for they don't know what most supercars are.
I think just like the generation before me and the generation before that,
my generation right now is excited about nostalgia cars because it's like you're
at that age, you're like, I want to buy the car that I wish I had when I was
25.
So I think, you know, that's what's really interesting.
You said it like Brian Henderson has all the super cool stuff, but he's
building a Mark II car.
And he's excited about it.
And he's mad excited.
Because I think that like it brings you back.
Yeah, it definitely does.
And then I think, you know, there's certain cars that like, you know,
everyone has their own style or whatever, you know, you're like, yeah,
I want a cool fast car, but it's also, and this is where I'm not that person.
But that's like also convenient to my lifestyle.
Sure.
Right.
Like I can understand why so many people like the Audi RS6.
I mean, that car is just because it looks sick.
It does all the things.
It's really fast.
It sounds great.
It's not exactly what I like in an Audi because it's really big.
I mean, it's basically a slam.
It also looks good.
Okay.
I'm not going to, to cap right now.
I think I was switched to the Honda Accord to RS6.
There we go.
All right.
There we go.
It is a strong, amazing, really strong.
Amazing.
David, I have said that if I had to only own one car, even though it would be the
RS6, like if I had one, like I would probably be that's the one.
If I couldn't modify it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
If I just had to own a stock one stock car, like that's that's it.
The brand new M5 wagon is also pretty good looking.
I don't know if it just came out, but they look good.
They weigh really good.
They weigh more than a lot of SUVs.
So probably still RS6.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
I mean, the weight is, I think they perform well, but yeah, from what I've heard,
it's it's a truck.
Well, Chazzy, it was really nice having you on.
It was really enjoyable.
I have a lot of hope for the next generation.
And I really hope I do too.
I really hope you figure out like a good skate pad in LA, a good place for people
to go hang out because it's just such a good part of the car culture.
And it's a bummer that it's kind of disappearing for the younger gen.
So two shout outs.
I hope that well, not two shouts, but I hope if any CHP officer is listening,
I hope you are listening closely because we I feel like as a car culture,
we do not agree with where takeovers have gone.
And we all just like sliding cars too.
Also, yeah, thank you to the people my age that have listened and hopefully I'm
speaking like with all you guys.
So I mean, I know I know my own demographics and as much as I joke that
like it's an old man show, your demo is actually a larger size listener than my demo.
Oh, so there you go.
That's cool.
Let's get it.
Yeah, there you go.
Who thanks for the kids?
Yeah, he's like, who's Wu Tang?
On that note.
We out.
I mean, methaman is like kind of old now.
Well, what's up?
Well, I'm not expecting any messages this time.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
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All anyone wants to talk about nowadays is how great 90s car culture was.
But what everyone forgets is how bad our slammed cars wrote on crappy lowering
springs at the time.
That's all my wallet could muster.
But when I finally did step up and get some proper coil overs, I went for
KWs and never look back.
I've been running their stuff for over two decades now in everything from my
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I even have a custom set in my Land Rover Discovery.
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About this episode
Gen X host Brian Scato, millennial Ron Zarris, and Gen Z photographer Chas Warren (Chasidog) kick off a “generational conflict” discussion on how car culture is evolving. They compare access and tastes shaped by age, from Chas’s start with Midnight Club and Gran Turismo to his film-first photography style and growing reach. The conversation touches on how meets shifted from mixed crowds to more specialized supercar/JDM scenes, plus takeovers, EVs, hypercars, and the appeal of burble tune—along with the inevitable “kids these days” debates.
1320
13-inch wheels
15s
18,000 RPM
20s
700 horsepower
aftermarket turbo
all wheel drive
analog raw cars
animal style
Audi RS2
Audi RS6 Avant
Audi S8
BMW 3 Series
BMW M3
BMW M5
Bugatti EB110
Bugatti Veyron
Chevrolet Bel Air
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Cobalt
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Nova
Chrysler New Yorker
Delorean DMC-12
Dodge Challenger
Dodge Charger
Dodge Journey
Ferrari 458
Ferrari Enzo
Ferrari F40
Ferrari F50
Ferrari F80
Ferrari FF
Ferrari LaFerrari
Ferrari Testarossa
Ford F-150
Ford Mustang
Honda Accord
Honda Civic
Honda S2000
Hyundai Ioniq
Jaguar XJ220
Lamborghini Diablo
Land Rover Discovery
Lucid Air
Mazda RX-7
McLaren F1
McLaren P1
Mercedes-Benz Clk Gtr
Mini Cooper
Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Nissan 350Z
Nissan GT-R
Nissan Skyline
Porsche 911
Porsche 918 Spyder
Porsche Cayenne
Porsche GT1
Porsche Panamera
Subaru Impreza
Subaru WRX
Tesla Cybertruck
Toyota GR 86
Toyota GR Corolla
Toyota GR GT
Toyota GT 86
Toyota Land Cruiser
Toyota Mark II
Toyota Prius
Toyota Supra
Volkswagen Golf
Volkswagen Jetta
Volkswagen Rabbit
Volkswagen Vanagon
Original notes
It’s the Battle of the Generations on Very Vehicular this week, as our three guests debate their views on car culture. Representing Gen X is your host, Scotto. In the tastefully grey (or is it green these days?) Millennial corner, it’s returning friend of the pod, Ron Zaras, and lastly, hoisting the flag for all of Gen Z, we’ve got newcomer Chaz Warren (@ChazzyDawg). Chazzy made his name in the world of film photography, where his visceral style found viral success on Instagram, his camera acting as a passport to a world of cars he’d only dreamed of being able to approach. Now, alongside working for big names in the industry, he’s set his sights on creating his own culture of photo-forward meets, where the old rules don’t apply, as he brings community to legions of young car worshippers, whether they’re toting analog or digital machinery. So whether you’re prehistoric; or barely old enough to sneak out of the house unhindered by your parents tracking you on Life360, find out what this unusual council makes of it all. Enjoy.
Partners:
FCP Euro
Heatwave Visual
Wera Tools
KW Suspension
Producer: Nick Rutter @nickrutterarts
Editor: Julius Adorsu @adorsu.j
Music: SlikSound
Patreon: https://patreon.com/u37266647
https://bio.site/321actionaction
00:00 - Welcome & Introduction
02:42 - Chazzy Origin Story
04:39 - It All Started With Midnight Club 2
08:03 - Access and Car Meets
11:00 - First Serious Shoots
14:24 - Is Automotive Culture Peak Right Now?
18:44 - Drifting as the Next Wave
23:01 - $100K Dream Car You Could Buy From A Dealership Today
28:36 - Favorite Motorsport
34:57 - Style Over Specs
36:05 - Do Kids Care About Supercars and Hypercars?
37:22 - When Was Peak Hypercar?
40:34 - EV Emotion Debate
44:30 - Cybertruck Reality Check
45:00 - Car Prices Are out of Control
47:15 - Automotive Gentrification
52:43 - Sponsor: FCP Euro
54:09 - Takeovers Then vs Now
58:54 - Clout Culture and Danger
01:09:32 - Legal Places to Slide
01:16:20 - Hooning Isn’t a Crime
01:17:17 - Getting Pulled Over
01:22:04 - Is There Still Love for RWB?
01:23:31 - Sponsors: Heat Wave Visual, Wera Tools & KW Suspensions
01:25:16 - That Time Scotto Nearly Killed Himself and Ron in the 911 Turbo
01:28:44 - Is It Time for Spinners to Make a Comback?
01:35:13 - Is the Answer Always Japan and JDM?
01:46:11 - Do Kids Really Like Burble Tune?
01:51:55 - Hearing 2-Step in the Flesh
01:54:37 - Street Legal Race Cars
01:56:24 - Photo Meets and Community
01:58:42 - We Need to Bring Back Cruising
01:59:50 - DTLA Car District on the Rise
02:02:34 - Learning from Low Rider Culture
02:06:59 - Three Car Garage Picks
02:15:33 - Dailying an RS6?
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