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GHiT 0744: Scott Robertson - Year in Review and Our Coach for 2026
GHiT 0744: Scott Robertson - Year in Review and Our Coach for 2026
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About this episode
Scott Robertson reflects on a transformative year of separating his coaching and competitive driving roles to improve focus and enjoyment. He discusses overcoming challenges with his Miata's engine, the importance of pacing in racing, and the mental shifts needed to break performance plateaus. The conversation also explores coaching philosophies, the creative aspects of racing, and plans for 2026 including more coaching, sim racing, and potential endurance racing. Personal insights on grief, sustainability in motorsports, and driver development add depth to this candid and thoughtful discussion.
Topics:
coaching vs competitive driving
miata racing challenges
driver development and mindset
pacing and burnout
sim racing integration
endurance racing plans
race car setup and maintenance
mental approach to racing
grief and racing
2026 racing goals
GHiT 0744: Scott Robertson - Year in Review and Our Coach for 2026
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We're all freezing right now. Anyway, Miss Vicky, we have a guest.
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Hi.
Hi.
His name is Scott. He likes to say hi.
Hi.
Welcome, Scott.
Hi.
Hi.
How are you?
So, Mr. Robertson, you've had quite the year.
Yeah. It's been different, but it's been good.
Yeah.
Different by design.
Little conscientious, you know, hey, let's be nice to future, Scott, and let's race
when we're racing and instructing or instructing and never between the two shall meet
in most instances. Is that that scheme work out for you?
Yeah, it was a very intentional decision this year.
The, you know, I had been doing a lot of instructing and driving on the same weekend.
And, you know, as things do, everything progresses.
So I kept wanting to get more competitive, but also wanted to, you know, be a better
instructor.
And so, you know, kept pouring more and effort into both of them.
And, you know, really for three, four seasons, I've just plateaued as a wheel to wheel
driver and wasn't enjoying it very much anymore.
And was just kind of wondering like, why, why am I doing it this way?
And so I was kind of ushered the opportunity to take what, you know, started as instructing
with organizations and move that into coaching of my own and decided that, well, let's do
coaching on these weekends where I only coach.
I'm not trying to do, you know, work with an organization.
I'm not trying to race.
I'm only there to coach.
And, but I wasn't done with competitive driving either.
I wanted to, you know, I wanted to see if I still had it sort of thing.
Or at least a little bit, right?
Yeah.
And the desire is definitely still there.
And turns out through some experiences this year.
That be as bad of a driver as I thought I was, as I thought I might have been the last few
years.
So that's been, it's been all, all positives.
So you had, if I recall on the wayback machine, you had a bit of a struggle bus with your
Miata engine setup routine.
I'm being nice.
Yeah.
1E23 was a hard year for the, wait, 23, 24.
Thank you.
24.
Yeah.
Yeah.
24 was a hard year for engine things.
Through no fault.
It's just, you know, this is how engine things go when you change them.
They always, while you're in there and then the while you're in there is turn into,
you know, hey, maybe this and then, you know, can't leave well enough alone.
And then you end up pretty much writing a season off because of intermittent or consistent issues
of unknown origin that are very easy.
Once you figure them out, but not easy in this, in the situation.
So, so combining that with your excellent coaching and I know your priorities are with
your students and the results that you've got.
I mean, besides Peter missing by like 0.003 seconds.
I mean, you know, you pretty much had a more than a modicum of success, shall we say?
You know, it's not surprising you down selected and said, listen, I can focus on one thing
and one thing only because I'm not really good for myself and my driving or I'm not
really good at helping my students and neither one of those is worth doing halfway.
So, you know, I think it was a wise decision because, you know, if you're going to work
that hard, you might do endurance racing and just totally kill yourself.
Yeah.
Do you feel like you're just hitting burnout?
I don't think it was burnout.
I think what it was is I was beginning to question a whole lot of my skills and
abilities and, you know, is it worthwhile putting this much effort and resources into,
you know, whether it's the car, my driving, coaching, things like that.
Like it's just, but what I felt like I was actually running up against was just a
bandwidth limit on a given weekend.
There's only so much that I can do.
And there was a good year, year and a half in there where I was not only working with
GridLife, the racing organization.
I was also coaching one or two drivers of on my own and trying to drive competitively.
And there's just no, no time in there.
So the whole idea of reviewing my own video, my own data, thinking over what I need to
do just with kind of how I am as a person.
That was the last thing that got worked on.
And so my position with GridLife and my coaching clients, they would always come
first.
And so basically I would just keep an eye on the time.
It's like, all right, half an hour to race.
All right.
Now I need to go get ready to get in the car.
Yeah.
Maybe.
But I wasn't, didn't really like think of like where I really like really dive in.
Like where can I improve?
What do I need to work on?
And so I was just met with the same limitation, you know, race weekend after
race weekend for really for years.
Yeah.
It just sounds like you just need to break apart whether you're going to be
coaching or you're going to be racing.
Exactly.
And just you can't do it all at one time.
Exactly.
And I think it, you know, I certainly think it would be different.
You know, I've spoken with you guys and as well as some other drivers about
you're doing coaching and endurance racing.
And I think that's a little bit different because, you know, you're sharing
a car, you're out of the car for longer, but like you're really just
able to focus on one place and one time.
But when I was working with the organization, it's like I'm looking
at when I have to be at this meeting.
And then right after this meeting, I need to be on grid to help direct
traffic.
And then right after that, I've got like 20 minutes before I need to
get in the car.
And right afterwards, I need to meet with this drive.
Like it was just.
That sounds exhausting.
Yeah.
And that was three days per event.
And then the hangover took over.
Yeah.
And then it's like, man, like I, it's just not that much fun anymore.
You need pacing.
You need pacing.
You need to pace yourself.
And so that's what this year was about was to kind of do a
hard line divorce between my driving, especially my competitive
driving and my coaching.
And with really only doing coaching on the weekend and
granted, I'd still have like five drivers.
You know, it's not a slow weekend for me, but really was had a
lot more energy, a lot more focus to give drivers enjoyed it
a whole lot more.
It wasn't as exhausted at the end of the day.
It was still tired for sure, but wasn't exhausted.
And then on those weekends that I went out and drove, like I
broke my personal best at my home track twice this year that
stood for four years.
And honestly, it's probably one of the worst laps I've ever
driven at that track.
I felt like, and I still comfortably broke my PB.
So there's margin there.
And, you know, the one lap of America, which was at the very
beginning of the year, we went in with a very strict,
straightforward plan and that went remarkably well too.
How many years have you been doing this already?
The one lap.
No, just, just between your coaching and driving.
Um, I've been doing instructing or coaching and driving since
2019.
Yeah.
And this year was the first year that I divorced the two.
So five years.
So does it feel like
popping a bubble?
What do you mean?
Well, um, sometimes that, that when, when we start out at
this, we have so much adrenaline and we're building and we
could do it all.
And we're just wrapped up in, in the joy of it.
Sure.
And then things start taking a shift a little bit.
And then it's, it's not that it's not fun.
It's just that
letting the air out of, out of something is what it feels like.
It's like you've been holding everything up for so long and
trying to keep everything balanced and juggling the balls.
You're juggling the balls and all of a sudden you just let
everything fall because, because, I mean, it's the adrenaline
that keeps us going.
But once you realize that the adrenaline's not there because
now it's becoming work.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think how I would put it is like you said,
it's almost like the beginning of a relationship.
You've got those romantic jetters and you've got the, you
know, that spark and that fizzle and stuff like that.
Um, and that will sustain you through some exclusive
excruciating times.
Yes.
Um, but it's not sustainable.
Uh, and now I'm speaking of racing in particular,
that the efforts and the work, I mean, we used to drive
our race car to the track.
And, you know, we, we did that for very specific reasons.
Um, but there was a point where, you know, we
chose to start to tow it for sustainability reasons.
Um, and then even after that, you know, definitely can't
say it got easier, definitely got different after that point.
But still, you know, Becky was always kind of a vital
integral part of my racing and of hers as well, of course,
but, uh, you know, without her on those race weekends,
like the car wouldn't have gotten touched very much because
I had other things to do when I wasn't in the car where,
you know, a lot of the other drivers I, uh, raced with,
you know, they had friends, uh, you know, if their
friends needed to help, certainly they'd lend a
hand, but really for most part on the weekends,
they are there to race and hang out.
And if they're not in the car, they can work on their
car, they can look at their data and I just hadn't been
able to do that.
And so my pace that I had in, you know, 2021, it's
really about the pace I had in 2024 and everybody
else just kept getting quicker and I was just
kind of holding on by my teeth and just wasn't
really enjoying it because I just couldn't put in
what I wanted to to be competitive.
And it's not that I was getting less competitive.
It's not that I didn't want it as much anymore.
I was just getting tired of experiencing it the
way that I had been and only putting in the
amount of time and energy as I was.
The only way was to split the two, even if that
means that I stopped doing wheel to wheel for a
period of time.
I mean, the other, it's frustrating is the wrong
word, but you're not judging yourself based on
prior Scott.
You're judging yourself based on your competitors
and your competitors are growing and your
competitors are nasty alien people in some
slash most of the cases with the water that you
swim in.
So you're even unfairly judging yourself against
this move and shifting.
You know, it's just, you know, it's not really,
it's kind of like when I was, when I went to
engineering undergrad, you start thinking
like you go in there thinking, you know,
I'm pretty smart.
Then you get there and you're like, I'm an
idiot, but it's you're just judging yourself
against a different pool.
Yeah.
That was my experience with going into grad
school.
So I'd always, I'd always considered myself a
fairly intelligent human being.
And I was the dumb kid in my grad program.
Yeah, it's, it's a, you know, the way I used
to put it, I'm not sure it's the best way
to put it, but I used to say, you know,
don't judge your inside by somebody else's
and the supplies in this instance as well.
Yeah.
Because, you know, you're, you're not going
to feel good about your driving when you're
sitting there saying, gee, you know, Tomo
is so much faster than me or Eric Ateel
was able to do this.
I can't do that.
You know, I mean, it's hard.
I think I was, I think I was fortunate
in that I learned that pretty early on.
When I, you know, GLTC's first year was
2019, which I was there for.
And then in 2020, I did much better brakes,
much wider stickier tires and a K swapped
engine in my Miata.
I was going so much faster on track and
my results were the exact same.
Right.
They were 19 because they keep moving
just because more cars came in.
They were quick and everything.
And it was at that moment I knew, well,
one, I've got a long way to go, but two,
like I've got to be in this to improve
on myself.
And so every time I went out, I would
see if I'm more aware than I was last
time is my raw pace better.
Am I better at passing?
Am I better at defending like all
these things I could measure against
myself?
I think some of the, if I can put it,
the silliest goals to go into any race
weekend is to have a finishing position
in mind.
I think that is the silliest thing
you could show up with.
No.
I mean, you're setting yourself up for
failure.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, because you can't control
the competition, what they can do or
what they bring.
I mean, and, you know, looking back
when you did your Miata upgrade, all
that did was let you fight fair because
you were catching up to where they
already were.
Exactly.
You know, it's not like you sat there
and said, you know, I, my program is
now superior to yours.
You're just, you know, catching up
and they're still doing their stuff.
So they're, you're catching up to
where they were, not where they're
going to be.
And, you know, you can't, you
don't know where that is.
I mean, just look at F1 when you
sit there and you say, oh, I got
everything down.
And then you show up and you're
like, oh, I don't have anything
down.
Yeah.
Well, the, the beginning of those
new regulation seasons, whatever
professional business racing
series it is, is always exciting
to me because nobody has
really any idea
where any other team is.
They're just showing up with what
they think they have.
This is my, my solution, right?
Yes.
And then all of a sudden they
started looking at everyone else.
They're like, oh, they
did that.
That's interesting.
And then the crosstalk starts
and whatnot.
So.
Yeah.
I mean, Mercedes had the zero
Cypods, right?
They were great until the cars
started bouncing off the
concrete or as well.
But, you know.
The car was never great.
No.
That was a, do you ever hear
that that partly came down to
their, their wind tunnel?
The correlation to the
tunnel?
That's what.
It was the type of floor that
they were using.
It's kind of wild.
But.
Such smart people can do some,
you know, serious misses.
Yeah.
Anyway.
All right.
So, so how did it work
for you?
I mean, better
when you diversified yourself
and focused?
Yeah.
Yeah, for sure.
Coaching was, again, I was
able to, to focus more,
give them more of my time
and energy didn't have to, like,
rush off anywhere in particular.
You know, unless I've got another
client I need to meet with.
And, yeah, really,
really kind of leaned into that,
enjoyed it.
And then on the weekends when
I went to the track
and to drive,
you know, my
non-driving responsibilities were
minimal and I could go out there
and just really try stuff, you know,
feel it out.
And every time I went out,
I set personal bests
or, you know,
fix something of consequence.
Excellent.
That, you know,
I'm guessing that this also helped
Becky.
Well,
her driving and or being happier
with Scotland's got got home.
Take your pick.
Well, she was always there with me.
Yeah.
Yeah, I can't say that we have
any more time
together,
but I'm always kind of at our
trailer now.
Like I'm never, like,
really gone.
Like she's the one going down to
down to hot pits to take
tire temps and right with our
drivers set up and stuff
like that.
But it's got less grumpy, right?
Not just less grumpy even, but I
just like,
I just have more energy.
You know, there's much less walking
and less like I just want to go
around the paddock, which
honestly, again, until this season,
I hadn't really been able to do that
for like two years.
And just some basic stuff like
that. So that was definitely good.
But like you suggested,
we also had the weekends
where
Becky would drive and she got
to have some good weekends.
And I was there for her.
Right.
Might have had one or two other
coaching clients or working with
a different organization or something
like that. But I was there
and helping her do
stuff and she's
you know, put a whole lot more
effort in her car and her driving.
She's doing better than she
ever has. So it's
you know, just kind of going well.
Yeah.
And I could just imagine, you know,
it I had this hit me
last year
well this year, 2025.
You know, it was like
it got to the point where I was like is
well actually it was towards the end of 24.
But is this juice worse to squeeze because
it is all consuming.
And it can be
our personalities make it
worse, right? If you if it's kind of like
when we lived in Hawaii
where it's like, oh, it's really expensive. It's like, no,
it's not really expensive because you don't have most of the bills you have. But
but there is the capability
for you to spend as much money as you have
and more. Not a problem.
It's just like racing. You can spend as much time
or money as you want
and more and still not be done because you're
never done.
And if you want to be competitive.
Yes.
It's very easy to have the ends justify the
means. Oh, for sure.
And that is not sustainable.
Well, it's really good when you're
when you're a significant other is also a racer because
it's like, do we need a turbo? Yes,
yes, we do.
Yeah, we also
have a
crate engine for a Mazda 2 sitting
in the garage right now. And that's
because you have to. I mean, you know, it's
required can save that story for another
time.
So is that going to be the
strategy for next year?
Which one?
Keep separation
in a church and state. We're going to have
instructing weekends and we're going to have
competitive weekends separate.
Yes. Yeah, that is the plan.
I
am going to continue to lean
into coaching. I'm really enjoying
it. I'm of
the age that I was never
under any illusions that I was going to
become a professional race car driver.
But
I think I could become a pretty
darn good coach.
If I kept working at it and kept at
it. And I
want to continue to grow and develop as
a coach. Reach out to
different clientele and different paddocks.
And
that is the theme of 2026
for me is getting to different
paddocks meet different people
and continue to do this
even more so than I did last
year.
And probably
it's going to be even less competition
driving for me
theoretically
about a month or so ago
I decided to
I don't have a listing for
it yet, but I am going to be
selling the Miata come spring
really.
And if it's
no
Hey, if you want to buy it, we can keep it
up.
But if
it sells for what
I would like to sell it for great
if it doesn't, I'm going to continue
to drive it and improve
on it and stuff like that because
it is a very competitive
GLTC car
or ST5 car
as well.
And so it's
I'm going to keep working at it.
Yeah, it's surprising because
you have put a lot of blood, sweat and tears
into that car.
I've gotten it to the point where it is
a pretty exceptional
car at this point.
Shocks are good, brakes are good,
engine is very good, electronics
are excellent, the ergonomics
are perfect
for me.
Arrow is good.
It's really just
continuing to work with setup and
trying out tires.
The nut behind the wheel.
It's one of those cars
that somebody were to ask me about it.
It's one of those cars where, listen,
you go compete and if you're not winning
it's not the car.
Nope.
Or not winning
like doing well.
I get it.
So that's fun.
So
next year's plans
we have
thoughts on what we're doing
and I was just wondering what you were thinking you were doing.
Yeah.
I'm going to be coaching and I want to
I want to see
if we can make some stuff happen.
I saw the
the list that you sent to me.
It's a preliminary list.
Still TBD, we haven't
have not seemingly had a moment
to talk to anybody on the team about it but that's kind of the
I think this is what we're doing.
Sure, sure.
Yeah, I was the
easier for
me to see up here.
Yeah, so the dates
that it looked like
would work for me
to do something in person.
You were looking at
NJMP early June.
Yep.
You're looking at Thompson early August.
Yep.
And summit points end of October.
And there may be another addition to the schedule
that hasn't been announced yet.
But those three for me
currently
I can make something happen for those.
Well, let's talk about the fun part.
You mentioned
dipping your
toe into endurance racing and we love
nothing more
than doing that.
So is that seemingly
potential for you and or Becky?
I mean it's
you don't have to twist my arm very hard to get into
any car and drive
it around a racetrack so that'd be
pretty easy to do.
But you'd have to drive for like several hours that weekend
Scott. I mean I don't want to inconvenience you
or it's terrible.
So bad.
I'm actually
here's my justification
is I'm getting a new
race suit this winter.
Nice.
Because the one that I have is the one I bought
back in 2017.
Oh no.
And it has seen a lot of life
and it was never
a great suit to begin with
but it was the one that I could afford
and it's just kept working
and it's
really to the point where the zipper works most
of the time.
And it's heavy
and it's hot and you know it's like
I can do a new suit
now so that's going to be
my thing this winter but if
what's the point of having a suit if I'm not going to drive.
That's kind of it you know
and some of the suits when you first get in
when you do the suit upgrade
you realize that the suit that I was wearing
in the middle of 90 degrees
and the humidity on a good day
in a race car is like wearing a quilt.
Exactly.
I do put my
current race suit on
when I'm cold.
So that is like
my snow suit
of sorts. Well I mean you can keep it
for the winter races. Good.
I definitely will.
There's no reason I couldn't write a bit.
So now that you've
decided that you're shifting
overall
what was the highlight of your year
so far?
I'll kind of
separate it out.
I
get a lot of pleasure from
not only my own performances
but also in
helping
others get
to do better
themselves.
And so when some of my drivers
perform very well
or have a result that they didn't
think that they would be able to get
and things like that it's
that is very
affirming and very
fun for me to watch.
So in terms of my own performance
this year certainly it was
the one lap of America.
Yeah. Specifically the
first session
day two which was
our first time on a road course
and
it was my
qualifying position
was something
well beyond
what I expected to
be able to achieve
and
I think what I'm most proud of
is not only the results that
we were able to get
but is my ability to
not let the pressure
really get to me
when I would get in a car and get
lined up because I was in
for the one lap they have like
different run groups
never in my life did I think
that I was going to be in the first or second
run group. You might actually get
sleep at a one lap if you're up there
what fun is that? Well we still
did the team thing so it was a
you know all three
of us together heller high water
sort of thing. Right.
But now they
they competed very well
too and
yeah to have that first one result was
kind of shocking and
bewildering to be honest
but then when I lined up
for the afternoon earlier than I ever
had didn't really
bother me I was able to lock in
and get focused and
do what I wanted to do and move on
from there so I'm
quite proud of how I
performed there and
that was great
in terms of
watching other people
and helping them
Becky's driving continues
to improve
and she's
trying things that you know
I'd never seen her have the
confidence to try before
that's awesome
and you know she's really
putting a lot of effort into her
um
wanting to kind of take the whole thing
a little bit more seriously not in
terms of not having fun but like she
wants to
perform better she wants to go faster
and
she got to the point where I think she
realized that in order to do that it
takes more time and more
effort and she's
putting that time and effort in
that's been good
other than that
I'm trying to remember if
it was
Chincherman
from Midwest Festival
or maybe mid Ohio
but we had one
event
where everyone was going faster
than they ever had everybody
was setting personal best
right um or performing
well or something and it was just
you know not
necessarily session after session but
like
man you know they had some great performances
and it's very rare when
you know all of my drivers
on the same weekends
have good weekends or
everyone's happy with
how they do and progress
and what they're learning and
you know that it's all
roses sort of thing but that
weekend you know certainly had
some bumps but man by and
large
pretty exceptional and that's
that's fun and
you know I don't
necessarily need thanks or like
shout outs from the podium
or anything like that but
you know at the end of a weekend that
you know that little like thanks again
for everything you did it's you know
I had a lot of fun and it's like
hell yeah I'm going to write that
down somewhere you know
help keep me going
sounds like you're still a teacher
at heart Scott.
Yeah I you know
Seth and I on our podcast
we kind of
talked about that and
as I look back
kind of on my life and what I've
done and what I tend to
lean towards anyway
is you know
helping
people do
things that they've
not done before
will refine what they're doing
or you know
relating with people
and I enjoy it
so I'm going to keep trying to do it.
Well
speaking of trying to do it
2025 fell apart for the
Fisher crowd.
We had talked about me doing some coaching
for you guys and I
you coached every race that
I was at Scott every single race
that I was at.
When I reached out a couple
times I didn't hear something back I'm like
they've got to be having
something going on so I just kind of
backed off. We did. Let you guys do
your thing. Yeah
2025 was
a hard year for us.
That's what I've gathered.
We're going with writing it off. Let's do
2025 part two. Let's just
do it again a little better.
We
actually didn't open our
garage until
to repair the car
until August.
That was a little before August
the race was in August but yeah. Yeah we
borrowed a car.
We borrowed a truck
because
Bill had lost his mom
around Christmas last year
and I think that
we just didn't have the capacity
for repairing the car
because his mom was
sick
kind of leading up to that.
You kind of deal with the holidays and then
right after the first of the year is when things
goes. The car
was in the shop
getting straightened
which came back fine but
I don't think we had the capacity
to do anything with it.
We ended up getting a race
truck. The race truck came back
a friend of ours that purchased it said
just don't even open it.
Don't open the garage. The truck is ready.
Just go take the truck.
And even then it just didn't feel real.
So it wasn't until
like August to where we
put the car back. We opened up the garage
and I started getting the car ready
and we had it ready for the October
race. Put back together
and then of course
test runs. Had to
figure out whatever they got.
So going into 26
that was only the race that we did
with the Honda.
So going into
26
is going to be
we're going to have a better year lined up
and even
when we did that one race
our team wasn't put together well.
It was just a hard year.
So we're going to move it over
to 26.
We're going to be hanging out
with that.
The team dynamics I mean
it's one thing when
you as individuals haven't done something
in a while
and so like your level of focus
and energy and
polish of skills
at that point just isn't there let alone
the interaction
and teamwork with other people
like I
I don't
doubt that that was
well and
even with that first
race
with
the car
I mean it wasn't so bad
when you know you have somebody
who's given you a car and you're just bringing
your junk right
and you're setting up and then you're doing the race
and that's kind of different but
with all the prep
and then the packing and
when we were talking
about how you were
you know with juggling
the balls and running on adrenaline
that's you know that's
when I could say like
it just felt like everything deflated
this year
and I don't know if that's still part
of grief or
if that was part of
just a shift when we
weren't as active because
we were kind of dealing with this
but trying to get that momentum back
that's what I was saying to
I was asking those same questions because
it was relatable
in a sense like
get the mojo back
yeah
everybody back in their roles
I mean we could do a
podcast series on grief
that's a
that's a wild topic in and of
itself
it takes the wind out of the sales
it's
it forces you
to look at yourself
well no
no it does not force you
I'm going to take that back it gives you the opportunity
to look at yourself in the world
in a very different lens
and that is traumatic
on a personal level
and so that's
where from the outside grief can be a very selfish thing
because it's this
it's this person
that you loved and that you've
spent time with
who's died like it should be about them
but like it's kind of about you
because
it's your experience of that person
that they are the ones
who aren't going to be there
but you're the ones who's going to experience
that absence
which is what a ghost in
classic literature is a ghost isn't
a thing a ghost is
an absence
and so the haunting after
I'm getting kind of deep into it already
but like it's the haunting
after
that's the
part of the grief process that's
kind of wild and so
like you said with the
you know comparing
your experience with mine
going racing and like being excited
about it can't be a left over
activity
like it can't be
going to the racetrack
with whatever left over energy
that you have
is not going to be enjoyable
and it could be dangerous
100%
I think this year it just felt like
going through the motions
I mean we were enjoying ourselves
but it
it was different
everything just shifted
and for a time
that going through the motions
can be
what it needs to be
just kind of
doing the batting practice
and not really feeling that sort of thing
just continuing to do it
may have been the thing that
will help get you into next
season a little bit easier
we'll get there you know why we're going to get there
Scott because we're going to work with you
we're going to drag you in
kicking and screaming because
you know threaten you with a good time
I know it's fine we're going to drag you into
endurance racing
but you're going to help us
I don't know if you got a chance to listen to the podcast
where we talked about the Ross Bentley
event that Vicki went to
Vicki's actually looking
forward to
looking at data with somebody besides me
yeah I've had discussions with
Vicki about
you know your
significant other
and coaching and things like that so
yeah having a different
perspective is
usually not a bad thing
it definitely helps because there's only
so many things she wants to learn from me
it's like
I tended to be more sporty
she tended to be more artsy and she's come over to the
sporty side and she's like
tired of listening to me saying this is what you need to do
well I came over to the sporty side
not being competitive
and then going into being competitive so
it's
you know it's not like I was brought up
to say you know
what competitive is
I was the artsy girl
you know so
I think being competitive
you work up to
having some skin
layers built up
for being that you know
and losses sometimes feel
hard and sometimes
criticism feels a little hard
or it's not even delivered as
criticism it's just taken as criticism
you know
because and it's not
it's not my significant
other's fault
it's just
can you say that again I got to
I didn't grow up being a sport girl
so
being hit with the losses
or
toughening up
you know
things feel
more personal
I think you and I could have
some good conversations
because I was actually the artsy one
growing up as well
I
like talking
with the right crowd I like talking about
driving and racing as a
creative endeavor
yes
and that's
you know a good number of drivers
are competitive people by nature
I am
as well
but there is an inherent
creativity
in flow
and in skill building
just because you're creative
doesn't mean you're going to be a good painter
or a good musician
you have to practice
you have to build the skills
you have to build the mental fortitude
to go into a music competition
to be able to perform
when you need to
when your being isn't perfect
and things like this
and I'm speaking personal experience
and so a lot of that
is applicable
to racing
as long as you
as long as you can kind of tap into that
and I think that competitive
for me
is a fun thing
it's not a
you know every time I think
about competition I keep thinking about
baseballs against teams
and you know there's this
you know this back and forth
of you know
it can get a little aggro
that's not
how I view competition
for me competition is just like
what happened a good time
I don't get angry
about things
when I start going into competitive mode
and I don't know
if that is what a creative
aspect is of it
I look at
I view it
as
what is it
car craft
I just view it all as car craft
and race craft
and then honing it more than I do
the competition of it
100%
see I think
we're going to get along really well
it'll be good
yeah
the notion that
the competition mindset
has to be one particular thing
I think is
long been a myth
the idea that
when you're at the front you have to be aggressive
and you have to
dive bomb and you have to force the issue
and bumping and all this sort of stuff
and
again if you don't watch F1
that's totally fine
but I think what happened in F1
this year was an interesting one
and that the
driver who won the
driver's championship
Landon Norris
does not drive
like four time
world championship
winner first happened
does not drive like Hamilton does
he drives like he does
and he's not terribly aggressive
he was the most consistent
this year
and so
the idea that you have to be one
way in order to
improve or to do
better
is
far from the truth
and so whenever people
try to explain what I do in terms of
like I just tell a driver
what to do better
couldn't be farther from the truth
what a good coach I believe
does
is help to draw out of a driver
the thought processes
skills that are currently there
and part of my skill
and background is
knowing what the next step
is to helping
a particular driver achieve
the goals that they think that they want
to get to
and so there's a whole lot of
interpretation there's a whole
lot of back and forth
and I
from my previous profession
certainly into this one
questions are my
trade
far more than
you know really
here you're doing this and it's not as good
now we can go into
some of that when we're short on time and stuff
but more it's why
are you doing what you're doing
and if you can explain that
to me I'm going to ask
well what if you did this
to prioritize that
and then we have that discussion
that's to me is what coaching is
well I had
just attended
the last thing I did was
Ross Bentley's
race academy
which kind of brought out
some questions
and of course
that had some
availability to like
I now have the capacity to accept
data
in the learning process
but you know I think that
and I've mentioned this before
it's just like when you're
when you're learning racing and you're doing racing
everything is like a fire hose
and then all of a sudden
somebody's like okay now data
well yeah I don't have the capacity for data
right now I'm still trying to deal with the fire hose
so
but now I have capacity for data
but
there was a couple questions
they did a why are you doing that
this is why I'm doing that
because this is how I learned it and the reason
why I learned is because this happened
and then somebody told me this
and this is why I do it
so
and every and a lot of things
I try to give
a lot of instructors a lot of grace
because I
was one and I continue to develop
myself
as well as hopefully all of them
and for
a time
well let me back up
I think part of what makes a good
instructor
is lying to you
is
telling me the story you need at that point
yes it's like
I have
I know point A to point B
and the
intermediate steps along the way
you only need to know
the first one or two
there's no point
in me talking about steering the car with the brake
when we are talking about
what the flags mean
those are two things that do not need to be
discussed in the same meaning
and so I'm going to lie to you
I'm going to say here's what
you need to know right now
and they're very simple
they're very important
very simple, very easy
let's get them done
and it'll let you know here's the next step
here's what we're going to be working on
then we're going to do that
and it's going to complicate that first thing
just a little bit
so what I said was very simple, very easy
all of a sudden
but in these circumstances
you can do this but you've got that skill
to be able to complicate it now
but guess what
there's something else we're going to add on to that next
but you didn't know that back then
because I'm going to lie to you
I'm going to say this is very simple
this is very easy and straightforward
and I've learned this
from some extraordinarily good
professors and teachers along the way
who have demonstrated
that the track of knowledge from here
to better
or from here to professional
or whatever a particular
driver is trying to go for
that there is a
step
from here to the next thing
and it's not nearly as ambiguous
as a lot of drivers
want to think that it is
that there's a lot of like
magic and things that
you just go out there and you either have it
or you don't
but there's some very fundamental basic skills
that everybody can work on
and it's just
a matter of figuring out
how you think about it
so what we need to do next
and so when I listen
to your podcast
and we'll see if I can recall here
is one of your things
is that you were waiting until the car was settled
you
that's one of them
that's one of them, yeah
and I remember listening to that podcast
and hearing like your excitement
around that right
and for a time
that was a good thing to do
it's to wait till the car was settled
because maybe you didn't have the skills
or awareness to be able to catch something
if the car did
but now that you're there
it's become a hindrance
and so we're going to complicate it
make the car settle
and that is what I'm having
a hard time understanding
but now see
but then this comes into
carcraft
this is understanding how to
physically
make your car
and understand
the car now
when before
I was still in that learning process
now I'm still in a learning process
but now it's like let's force it
now we're going to
we're forever in the learning process
but now we're going to go to the next level of
now I need to figure out how to force my car
to do what I want it to do
and be proactive in it instead of
reactive
so that is
the language that we're
going to be working on
well that's something that
I've
I remember this past year with a couple
of my long time drivers
that's something we're really starting to focus on
because they are very
very good very quick drivers
they hold records at some places
and we are working on
you know
right from here to here
you waited for the car to do this
knowing that it's going to do that
you waited until it did it
before you did the next thing
you know it's going to do that here
don't wait for it
because by the time you wait
you're behind
and that's hard
but when it happens
it's a clincher
but when it happens
you've got to log it
in your brain you've got to replay it back
remember this one time
this and why
at particular corner
maybe I can apply that
here in a slightly different way
mm-hmm
yeah
sounds like we're going to have quite the year
we are going to have quite the year
it was exciting to hear
because I know
I know after
listening to your podcast for a while
that you were having a bit of a plateau
that
you didn't know how to break through it
mm-hmm
you just always kept banging up against
I don't like
when this happens
I'm much more comfortable in these kinds of cars
it's a lot of ceiling
being put on
where you could go
mm-hmm
and it seems like that event
which huge fan of
mm-hmm
I could write a
on the things I think they did
incredibly well there
um
helped you break through that
and I think that's a testament to the
style of
um
coaching
that event highlighted
and that I'm a big fan of
yeah
there was a lot in that event
that
that's a good way of putting it
that's what I'm fascinated with
mm-hmm
and it also helped that
the track was smaller
and tighter
so the repetitions
were faster
and more consistent
and just more
and that's something
when we look at sim racing
with several of my drivers
when we're looking at tracks to
work on skills
for certain skills
because you're sitting in your living room
and it doesn't really
like the travel times the same
so you know
you can go to some of these big big tracks
but like it's a two minute 30 lap
and like
let's go to the one minute 20 lap
you could almost double the reps
and we can still work on this
one thing
so sim racing does
um
almost to do more
because then we can put you
in a type of car that's gonna maybe
make it a little bit harder
to do this thing but it's gonna exacerbate
the skill
that we're trying to develop and we can
put you on the tracks that are gonna
give you a lot of practice
and probably be frustrating
at times
but then we can jump in other cars at that same track
to like work on your processing speed
and stuff like that so just
accelerates and allows
a lot more
room for growth and development
in a short time
yeah that's gonna be our winter project
is getting the sim racer set up
one of them
and then
getting the Honda
because you know after
after you get it back from the shop
and try to put everything back together
you're still kind of working out some kinks in it
that was a kink race
that we did
think we need to name it a slight
yeah but that's what it was
we had to get the gremlins out
we don't shame around here though
no shame
think there's another reference
that's fascinating that you were an artsy person
what did you do
what did you do Scott
what did you do
I was a music player mostly
I always enjoyed drawing
and art and that sort of thing
also with lesbian for much of my
kind of
into college
but yeah I was music
heavily as well into college
bassoon in particular
and really enjoyed it
so you're just by nature
a creative I call them creatives
you're kind of good at a
just that's your avenue
yeah I
and I had to
re
the word right now
I had to kind of take back a hold of that
for myself a few years back
is
that often times it's very easy for me
to just like head down
do what I need to do
you know at work
take care of the family
blah blah blah all this stuff
but to see something
as a creative act and to
do something that I see as
creative
is incredibly important
in life giving to me
and so if I look at my car
as an art project of sorts
like to be creative with it
like that is fun
which is why like
doing maintenance is the
dullest thing I feel like I can do
because I don't see this
creative it's just like
fixing what was already there
mm-hmm
but you know it's working
it keeps breaking
it's an inevitability
yeah
it has one job
you're a fuel pump
pump the fuel that's all I'm asking
anyway
yeah I did the same thing
sometimes I feel like
I need to take a
step back
because it's almost like if you don't do something
like that you're losing a sense of
self
wait because it is a value
it is to your bar
right
and to just completely step away
from it you're just like I don't feel like myself
anymore
I gotta go back and do something
I think it goes back to the
sustainability conversation that we had
is for a time you can do everything
mm-hmm
for a time often we have to
because that's the only way that we can do the thing
but like my
good friend who I raced with for several years
he
hated prepping his car
like could not stand
to stand top of the maintenance and work
it was just draining
the enjoyment
out of the whole
racing experience
and so he just started
giving it to different shops
to take care of and
it was a lot more money than he
sometimes wanted to spend
but he was able to enjoy
the hobby for what it was
mm-hmm
and like
myself
tearing open transmissions
and differentials
ain't me
I draw the line at
trying to figure out lash
and all that stuff
I just
don't have time or really the desire
to want to learn to do it well
to do it well
and wiring
early on in my case swap
I knew
that I didn't have the time
to be able to dive into that deep deep world
and to do it as well
as I would want to have it done
and so I gave it to somebody who
I knew was good at wiring
and it was
expensive
and worth it
because I've not had to touch the wiring
once it just
I feel bad because
what he did to my car was amazing
and I just don't have to think about it
those are my favorite parts
on a car are things that are done
beautifully
with skill
and just work
race after race
it's great
you need some part of the car
you don't have to worry about
and again
here I'm able to get
more and more of the car
reliable
and
more serviceable
that's the other part
it's very easy to build a car
but to make it serviceable
in a quick and efficient manner
takes a level of thought
that if you're just like trying to
slave away and you're just trying to get stuff done
you don't have time to do
and so like on the Miata
putting a dry brake
on the clutch
between the clutch master and the slave cylinder
saves me
45
half an hour
probably half an hour realistically
of time in
dropping the trans and putting it back in
just don't have to do it
easily right
yep
yeah
the half to do's
versus the should do's
it's that quadrant of
urgent versus important
that it's the non-urgent
important things that often go
overlooked but those are the
things that are
make sustainability
a possibility
you know what that means we need to do
Scott
we need
to make
including the data and the video in the car
the higher quadrant
activity as opposed to
we didn't get there
that is why
I think so many
different data systems
are out there
because there are
there are so many very
good data
acquisition systems
but
many of them
make
accessing the data or video
a nightmare
or at least like put one or two steps
in between you and it
at least and on
a busy weekend
or even a weekend that
doesn't go maybe
a little according to plan is that
extra step and if it keeps you
from doing it
do something else
and sometimes that's something else
is much more money
it can be
but it's better than
a little money getting zero use
yes
I think the multiple with the zero
gets weird but I'm pretty sure I can do the math
yeah
that's a whole like
do it right the first time but
you don't know what you don't know
early
unfortunately most of us don't
listen to the advice of people who have done it
for longer so
I think that's where the buy once cry once thing
came from
I could talk about
shocks for a minute too but
I bought some shocks from my Miata
that were well regarded
in the public and
because I didn't think that more expensive
shocks were necessarily worth it
or it's just a lot of money
how much better could it be right
it turns out a lot better
a lot better
but again you don't know what you don't know
measurably better
I believe is the word
anyway
so Scott
do we want to get into goals now
or do we want to do that later
well I guess my question would be
how much have you both
thought about goals
that's all I think about
that's literally all I think about
Vicki on the other hand
she's smarter than me she has better things to think about
everything Vicki have you actually put some thought into it
my goal this year is trying
to figure out
how to
number one truly manage the BMW
and two
forcing the car to do what I wanted to do
to be a proactive driver
I think
I am definitely
getting better at the
end of the straight away
which was always a challenge
for me is to
not
so much coast in there
but try to time it better
and I think that is an area
also that still needs
work because I think
part of the problem
is the language
of what people are telling me
that I need to do
because it's conflicting
some people say just slam on
the brakes at the very end
so you don't
you know so you can make the turn
you go in there full speed
and turn and some people say no no no
you really do got to kind of let off a little bit before you go
so I think part of it is going to be
language
and understanding
okay this is exactly what you need to do
when you're at the end of the straight away
this is when you need to let up
this is when you need to actually
go in going in there
properly because
part of it that I'm experiencing
now is understanding
what I have learned
what I have been told
and how that actually plays out
because I think I'm playing it out differently
so
I think that's some of that is part of
my hang up before
at the end of straight away was a self preservation
but now I'm much more comfortable
going into the end of the straight away
so now I want to make
sure that I'm going into the end of the straight away
properly
before I make my turns
that's always been an issue for me
I don't have
a ton of fear
on the track when I'm racing
so at least this point now
it's going to be based on car craft
and actually trying to do the right thing
until I do
get that uncomfortable feeling again
so
and then of course being proactive
breaking old habits
so there's
there's a lot in there
a big one I heard was
being proactive
the first one
I would
probably have some questions with
you said that you want to
do something with the BMW
could you rephrase that for me
yeah so the
BMW
is a bit more
powerful of a car than
I am a customer driving because I have a Miata
I have a Honda and I had the race truck
the BMW
is going to be a lot more powerful a lot quicker
and
it's going to be a different beast to
manage so
I think that is also going to be
one of the vehicles I'd like to be driving this year
beyond just the Miata
because I'll probably be doing both
but I think most likely
I will be
I have to decide if I'm going to be
focusing
all the training and learning
and how I'm going to be doing that
in what vehicle
I have to figure that out
because I
you think that would be best done in one vehicle
I don't
I think that
I think I can be
I think I can do more than one vehicle
here's my thought
and
even with your
your goal of being proactive
I think what
what we can do is
want to attach some very specific
measurable things to that
is
what's it look like
like at the end of a weekend
what can we point to in saying that
this was Vicky being more proactive
and what can we say about that
going into the weekend and then after the weekend
so like being proactive
could that mean
using the throttle
to settle the car? Yes
could that mean
using your brake application
or release
to help not only turn the car but plant the car
yes
could it mean
using your steering timing
and speed and transitions
to get the car
turn and settled
in quick complexes
so there are things
I think that we could like
concretely put
and again that there would be a hierarchy
of this for sure
depending on the track in the car
and things like that
things that we can specifically work on
towards that goal
but that would be a lot more measurable
because the whole notion
of being more proactive
that could be very
vibe space
yeah I felt like I was more proactive
but if we don't put
something a little bit
sharper on it
something that you can check a box on
that then
then we can really
know
even if it's data or video whatever it is
or like see the pants but it's like
something that you can point to
and say this is better
and this is how I did it
yes
it's the how that then we can start
taking from weekend to weekend
and it goes back to
breaking down that one decision I had
on turn 5
that we had discussed
at New Jersey which was
waiting
for the car to settle
and when somebody
just said why are you waiting
and when they said that
I'm like because that's what you do
that was an excellent question
right
very good question
and here's
my thought
what car should I focus on
and I think
in doing
hopefully getting some more sim racing
work done I think
what you can start to find
is that the car
is the paint brush
okay
it's
some are going to come more
naturally to you
but they're all going
to be doing the same
thing differently
and so part of the thing that's
good to build into you
into drivers whoever
is not only like what you're trying
to do but to do
that immediate feedback
when I do this
this happens
now do I want that to
happen or do I need something
else to happen
immediately
it should trigger almost like
these kind of like little tiny
flow chart
that okay I went into this corner
I released the brake
and then I had
to wait to get on
throttle out of the corner
and I just had a bunch of steering
left
that suggests to me
that you came off of the brake too soon
car didn't get rotated
enough and that you just had
to wait and wait and wait
and straight away good
so immediately it's a
I need to get the car to rotate
more on entry
okay everything else goes away
you can then focus on the next
thing and so that these are these
immediate things that we can help
to bring into
your awareness while you're on the track
and so not only are you
coming with an increased
awareness after a session
to
say hey I did this
what should I do next
but while you're out on track
you're self-assessing
with these
very specific things
that you notice
feel or you want the car
to do and it won't do
and then
immediately next lap
alright let's do this then
and you're trying
but you're getting that immediate feedback
and you're looking for these very specific things
depending on what we're working on
that you can be out there
on track trying
and which is going to
speed up the development speed up your awareness
speed up your
the quality of feedback
that we get from you as well
so there's all sorts of stuff that can be done there
does that make sense
it absolutely makes sense
it does
it's a bit ethereal but I
no it does
it absolutely makes sense
and it just brings me back to
working
with another coach a friend of ours
and she
we were using the AIM system
but it was
it was I think
the first time that I was
having data used
so driving in
she would pull it put on a computer
read it and say this is what you should be doing here
and this is what I want you to do
on the track
in this spot
try this
and I would go out there and do that
and the results were immediate
so
I
guess the stuff that I'm doing now
is just you know what I think I know
but I think if somebody is going to be there to tell me
that try this now
okay we could do that
exactly
and not only to do that but to
to point out
what you're doing now is causing
this and this and this
yes
and what we're doing in the car is for
reason
if it's what we hope to be doing
is something completely different
but we're doing these things for a reason
because we think that it's
supposed to be doing X
but through video through data
through feedback whatever it is
you know if we can point to it say
alright so when you do this
this is what the car is doing
and hopefully U.S. driver is like
feel that so it's like
now kind of big picture
there are a few different ways
that we can change that
we can do XYZ
and maybe A
but in this particular circumstance
because of the shape
or because of the elevation change
or wheel to wheel
or whatever it is
probably going to narrow our choices down to
this one or this one
or even you as a driver
like how do you carry more speed
into a corner
for somebody who's nervous about
braking too late
telling somebody to brake later
ain't going to be it
and so that's one of the options
we just clear off and say alright
we've got three more things that we can do
work into it and eventually
if you want to try braking later
or if that's like our only
option like in some distant future
we can deal with that
but until then there are things that we can do
there you go
sounds like it's going to be a fun season
I think it's going to be a fun season
it's a very pretty Miata
behind your uh
in your background too it's very shiny
it is very shiny
I guess it's not in the bump
drafting yet so
I get those instagram
and like facebook 7-8 years ago
thing
I look at my Miata and it's got the black
hard top and it's just red
no like no air dam
it's just red on the suspension
and my god it is
pretty and I
definitely ruined it
yeah this is
right now just the training car
at the moment
but it is full spec
um so
uh I'm having
a blast driving it
I did get the uh
it's better to drive a slow car
fast in a fast car slow
when I went to Ross
but I gotta say I was having so much fun
with it I really really was
there was no grip left on the tires
by the time I got done
what tires are you using right now
just curious
for that event it was the RS4
but you know
you know how long it takes for an RS4 to go away
that tire was done
pretty impressive
it already had a couple
you know a couple short tracks
on it um nothing that was
major but um
by the time I got done that event
I you know
it was worn out
but at some point we can
stick in anymore
at some point we can talk about Miata setup
because I've learned it a lot over the years
oh that's gonna be
that's that's gonna be
the addition to data because now
I'm gonna be able to have the uh
I'm gonna be able
to have the capacity for it
yeah but you know built by Planet Miata
so you know
uh Scott
I anticipate this being the
first ever
time that she will drive the Miata
with the spec slicks because she's never driven slicks
I haven't driven slicks
are they using the
it's uh
it's the
SM's right the Hoosier SM's
I think so
yeah there um
I remember back in the GLTC days
that was an easy way to get a
decent set of used
slicks as you just look for
you know one with like four to six heat cycles on them
and just bottom
off the people
get two more out and then you're good
she has a few sets
sitting in the garage just waiting for her to
uh get to the level where she
wants to try them
it's silly I've I mean we've got
Becky has two sets
of wheels for her race car
she's got two sets of wheels
for her daily winter
versus you know summer
I've got
four sets for my Miata
as well as the extra
set of wheels and tires for
my mom's Miata
it is very stupid down there
Miata's are fun
they're just fun
they are fun
they're a fun car to drive and you know the BMW
is a you know I did take the BMW
out um
if you're from the BMW sweetie you keep saying like
it's this new thing you've driven
no no no but yeah
but the Deadpool car
this yeah I know
I know we did the Deadpool car but this one
has a lot more gadgetry in it
Bill keeps saying it's not as quick
as what the Deadpool car was but I only did
the Deadpool car that was fun
in um
Carolina
um
it
I guess it's just a different beast
but it is quicker like what I'm
what I'm finding
is that I want to be faster
and the BMW I mean the
the Miata is a fun car
to drive and I really really
enjoy it I really enjoy training on it
and I really enjoy having it
um but I think when I'm
endurance racing I want to
go faster
you know
it's bothering me that
I'm on the straight away and people are driving past me
bothers me to know no
end now but uh but you know I can
catch them on other parts of the
track but it just
it just really bothers me now
as you've experienced
much much easier to pass somebody
going straight than it is
into braking zone or into corners
and that is mental bandwidth
percent right there and so
if you can have
a car with more power to
make some time up on the straight
away that's a little bit longer
and more stable under braking
and into corners
all of a sudden it frees up your brain
to think about all sorts
of other things and to relax
and all of a sudden you'll get out of that car
and not as tired
so the straightaways are for relaxing for me
and we still still huffin
still pushin still huffin but
that's a good way of putting it
well just just like going into braking zones
how we talk about the beginning of braking
into braking turn like all those sorts
of points when you're on the straightaway
you should have reference points
you should have a
um you know look
near mirrors point
breath point
open your hand point roll your shoulders
like all that stuff look at your gauges
straightaways are
time to do work
now it's different work
and it should be more relaxing
um
but it's just different work
I'd never had it I do that anyway
but I never had anybody explain it to me that way
cause that's when that's when I
release the hands
check all my mirrors
figure out what's gonna happen for the next set of turns
all the way going through
it's a
the straightaways are the reset
yes it'd be nice if you mentioned gauges
in there by the way
yeah
well and it's nice
I've been able to learn over my time
that
what we think
and how we think
can be directly influenced by what our body does
and so often times people
will say well you just need to calm down
or you just need to
relax
and you can't think your way
into relaxing sometimes
but there are very simple
very clear things
that we can do with our bodies
that physiologically calm us down
and I think that should be encouraging
for anybody who has a hard time
being overwhelmed on the track
or stressed in certain
circumstances
is that there are things that you can do
that will relax you
and there are things that you are doing
that is
not making your life easier
and once you know these couple
like tricks here and there
there are ways that you can develop your body
your eyesight, your breathing
your ergonomics
kind of all this stuff
like there are things that you can make it do
to mentally be in a car
and drive fast
and it's not difficult stuff
it just takes time
and attention that's it
so much Scott
so much
it's always something
that's fine
my goal is so much easier
I just want to get better
again I've been stuck
yeah I've heard you say that
I'm curious because I know
you're a thinker as am I
too much yeah
but yeah I'm curious what we can do
to
put you in a
I think really like we need to
like really shake up
your experience of driving
I think the sim would be an easy way to do that
like
I want you to get into a Dolara F2
car and I want you to drive
on the sim
the only Dolara F2 car I'm ever going to fit in
is a sim so that's right
but like trophy
trucks go drive a trophy
truck around Charlotte motor speedway
like go do something
weird to like this is
so goofy and so weird
but like
if I just floated into the bus stop with
just a bare bit of break I can get the
rotation on like
you know to bring it back but I think we got to
like yank you out of
whatever you've been
doing just to do something
different yeah but I don't know
what that looks like for you yet
we got time
got a whole year plus a few days
I know
I've been getting into sim more recently
now that our years
started to wind down a bit so
it's good
it's a lot warmer on the sim than it is on the track right now
it's true
especially up here
you'd have to break out the 185
blizzaks or something
what is your temperature up there right now
it was 6
this morning
I think we got up into the low 20s
today
we're at 13
yeah
yeah it's gonna get down to the
low teens tonight and then
maybe low mid 20s
again tomorrow but we're looking
maybe getting above freezing
at some point this week so
we'll see about that
awesome
alright sir we got a lot to do I think we're going to
we'll just call this a part one
of many who knows how many we'll have
please
whether we record them or not
nowhere to find me
where would people find you Scott
I love when people aren't the hosts of podcasts
they always give me exactly what I need
there we go
easiest way is robertson-racing.com
that's the website
kind of shows the different
coaching that I've got
I don't have the sim coaching on there
but that's a thing
basically we do
we have a section where we come to you
and you are our only
concern on those days
we've got coaching where
we're basically at an event
and we split our times
our time and resources
among a few different drivers
we've got remote coaching
then we do car setup
for people as well
I've got a few
merch type things
if you're into that
we're going to be making cat and dog shirts
because now that we have
a big fluffy cat
Becky really wants to make like a
branded cat shirt
so she's been
playing with that recently
I'm still a fan of
my one lap of America leggings idea
yes
we do need to do that
and then
Instagram is robertson-racing
and then
Facebook is
robertson-racing meata
and YouTube is robertson-racing
awesome
thank you for coming on again Scott
don't forget you have a podcast
I mean just in case
Seth is going to punch me so hard
yeah track one
we do it every Monday
it's a great way for
Seth and I to
continue our friendship
and talk about this silly
and stuff so
yep that's on Mondays
we've been doing it for like four or five years now
something like that
yep
and it's the only racing podcast
where I will 100%
admit
we couldn't do it the way you guys do it
it's a totally different podcast
than anything else out there
in a good way
yeah we did it because
it's something that
we were very interested and had a lot of energy around
and nobody else
was kind of
tackling it in the way that we wanted to
and so we're like
does this mean we need to
that's why we started it
well you either need to
or somebody else needs to learn how to do it
there's just nothing out there like yours
so it's always fun to listen to
and out of respect for your podcast
that's why we shifted from Mondays to Tuesdays
that's very generous of you
but yeah next year
I'm going to be
I don't want to give anything away
but I'm going to be
doing something
next year
that
nobody
anywhere near
our realm of motorsports
does
and I'm very excited about it
and to be able to offer that
to people if they're interested
so
I'll probably be talking
about that more around March time
I have a guess
I think I know
maybe
maybe I'll be a subject
a bare metal data point
who knows
well Scott this is very exciting
and
really gets me
motivated for 2026
and beyond
I can't wait to get back behind a wheel
and have some fun
that's a great place to start
it's being excited about it
somebody's got to be
might as well be me
there you go
thank you
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