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Indy’s Fastest Decade

Indy’s Fastest Decade

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About this episode

Rick Schaefer joins the show to discuss his book “An Incredible Decade of Speed at Indy: 62–72,” covering the rapid transformation of Indianapolis Motor Speedway racing. The conversation highlights record-breaking runs, the shift from front-engine to rear-engine, turbocharging, rising horsepower, and the arrival of slick tires and aerodynamics. Schaefer also reflects on Indy’s safety evolution—ground effects, better materials, and safer barriers—plus stories from his Indy journalism and interviews, including A.J. Foyt. They wrap with updates on modern Speedway changes under Penske.

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front engine rear engine cars

"Uhwewentfromallfrontenginetorearenginecarsuhby1969. [522.6s] Uhby1970,everyenginewasturbocharged,andtherewerenolimits."

It’s about where the engine is located in the car. If it’s in front, the car feels different than if the engine is behind the driver, and that changes how the car handles.

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turbocharged

"Uhby1970,everyenginewasturbocharged,andtherewerenolimits. [527.0s] Uhtheyweregettingmorethanathousandhorsepower,youknow,bytheearly70s,andthenuhtheaerodynamicscameintoplay,"

Turbocharged means the engine uses a device that forces extra air into the engine. More air usually means more power, so the car can be much faster.

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slick tires

"Uhtheyweregettingmorethanathousandhorsepower,youknow,bytheearly70s,andthenuhtheaerodynamicscameintoplay,andofcourse,withthatwealsohadslicktiresforthefirsttime. [537.0s] So,youknow,thingslikethat."

Slick tires are racing tires with almost no tread. They’re designed to grip the road as hard as possible in dry weather.

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ground effects

"Well,interestingly,they'vegottensaferasthey'vegottenfaster. [564.3s] UhIknowitdoesn'tsoundlikethat'dberight,butuh,youknow,they'vethey'vecomeupwithalotofwaysthatpartofthemainthingthathelpedtheirsafety-wisewaswhentheywenttothegroundeffects,"

Ground effects are aerodynamic tricks that help the car “stick” to the track. They use airflow under the car to push it downward, which helps it corner faster and feel more stable.

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fuel tank behind the driver

"UhIknowitdoesn'tsoundlikethat'dberight,butuh,youknow,they'vethey'vecomeupwithalotofwaysthatpartofthemainthingthathelpedtheirsafety-wisewaswhentheywenttothegroundeffects,theyputthefueltankbehindthedriver,sosuddenlyfire'snolongeranissuethatithadoncebeen."

This is a safety design choice: the fuel tank is placed farther from where the driver is most exposed. That can reduce the odds of a crash causing a dangerous fuel fire.

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downforce

"UhIknowitdoesn'tsoundlikethat'dberight,butuh,youknow,they'vethey'vecomeupwithalotofwaysthatpartofthemainthingthathelpedtheirsafety-wisewaswhentheywenttothegroundeffects,theyputthefueltankbehindthedriver,sosuddenlyfire'snolongeranissuethatithadoncebeen."

Downforce is the force that pushes a car toward the ground. More downforce usually means the tires can grip better, especially in corners.

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oil reserve tanks

"Youknow,youseeafireinacar,it'susuallytheoilreservetanksuhignited. [583.4s] Anduh,youknow,thethematerials,thecarbonfiberismuchbetterthanthealuminumorthanthehoneycombaluminumtheyuseforthetubs."

Oil reserve tanks store engine oil. If a car crashes and oil leaks, it can catch fire, so it’s part of why fires were more dangerous in earlier eras.

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carbon fiber

"Anduh,youknow,thethematerials,thecarbonfiberismuchbetterthanthealuminumorthanthehoneycombaluminumtheyuseforthetubs. [592.8s] Uh,youknow,thehelmetsarebetter,thefiresuitsarebetter."

Carbon fiber is a strong lightweight material made from fibers. Race cars use it in key structures because it can help protect drivers and reduce weight.

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Safer barrier

"Andofcourse,uh,youknow,theywasthefirsttousethis,whattheycallthesaferbarrier,whichisauhreally,youknow,youwouldn'tthinkthatit'scushioningthetheeffectswherethey'rewhenthey'rehittingthewall,it'snotlikethey'rehitting solidconcrete,notyouknow,nogiveanyway. [611.6s] Soum,butumthey'vehadaknockonwooduhsince1982,"

The Safer Barrier is a crash wall designed to make impacts less violent. Instead of stopping the car instantly, it absorbs energy so the driver is less likely to be seriously hurt.

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Indianapolis

"Soum,butumthey'vehadaknockonwooduhsince1982,they'vehaduhuhthreefatalitiesofindiecardriversatthespeedway. [625.4s] Sowe'regoingonlikea23-year-old. [627.9s] Thelastguythatwaswasuhkilledwasuhinatest,uhuhpromisinglookinguntilheranoutthatfinishedsevenththepreviousMay."

Indianapolis is a famous racing venue in the U.S. The host is talking about driver safety and crash history for IndyCar races held there.

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AJ Foyt

"In the case of AJ Foyt, you know, you you're best served on some of them are better when you got through the public assistancethat microphone in their face and uhbotheringsoright."

AJ Foyt is a famous IndyCar racing driver. The host is talking about how drivers handle fans and interviews, and how AJ Foyt was different from what the host expected as a kid.

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speedway

"Well,IIIfind it fascinating. Well, tell me about uhthe changes at the speedway uh now that uhthe bosshastaken over that speedway, and and uh there have been quite a few changes."

Here, “speedway” means the Indianapolis Motor Speedway—the big oval track where IndyCar races. The host is talking about improvements to the venue and how the track is laid out for spectators.

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VISPA stands

"And my brother and I, wesit on the top row of what they call the VISPA stands and turn four."

“VISPA stands” is a named spectator seating area at Indy. The host is saying they used to sit up high in that section to watch the race.

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turn four

"And my brother and I, wesit on the top row of what they call the VISPA stands and turn four."

“Turn four” is one specific corner on the Indy oval. People use corner numbers so everyone knows exactly where on the track they mean.

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Roger Penske

"Butuhyou know, RogerPenske, of course, he's noted for hisuh immaculate-looking cars and and uh crew guides and transporters."

Roger Penske is a major figure in American racing. The host is saying he’s known for running things very professionally and keeping the operation looking sharp.

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four-wheel steering

"Okay,uh,youwerementioningafour-wheelsteeringcar. [1045.8s] Yes. [1068.6s] Hey,justahead,Jeff'scarculture,four-wheelsteering,aswejustmentioned."

Four-wheel steering means the back wheels can turn too, not just the front wheels. That helps the car turn more easily at low speeds and feel steadier when you’re driving faster.

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Mickey Thompson

"Well,MickeyThompsonbroughtoneinthespeedwayin1967,andthere'sapictureofitonpage153ofthebook."

Mickey Thompson was a famous racing figure in the U.S. The hosts are saying he helped introduce a four-wheel-steering car at a race track back in 1967.

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Jeff's car culture

"Hey,justahead,Jeff'scarculture,four-wheelsteering,aswejustmentioned. [1072.0s] Marshasgo-karttracksaroundHoustonandhisdrivingdestinationsfeature."

This sounds like a recurring section of the podcast called “Jeff’s car culture.” They’re saying it’s coming up next and it connects to the four-wheel-steering topic.

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Houston

"[1072.0s] Marshasgo-karttracksaroundHoustonandhisdrivingdestinationsfeature."

Houston is a city in Texas. The hosts mention it because the next segment talks about go-kart tracks and driving spots around there.

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Road America

"SooneofthemwewanttotalkaboutisRoad America. [1227.8s] Now,thisistheclassicnaturalterrainroadforest. [1231.4s] Yes,it'sfourmiles."

Road America is a well-known race track in Wisconsin. It has long straight sections for speed and lots of tricky corners that slow you down and test how well you can drive.

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road course

"Now,thisistheclassicnaturalterrainroadforest. [1231.4s] Yes,it'sfourmiles. [1233.0s] ItgoesthroughthehillsandforestsofWisconsin."

A road course is a racetrack layout with lots of turns mixed with straights. It’s built to test how well you can brake and corner, not just go fast in one direction.

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technical corners

"Yougotalotoflongstraights,soyougetalotofspeedup,technicalcornerstomakethemslowdownandtrytomaneuveraroundthroughthelamps. [1242.6s] Butthethingaboutthistrackisthere'salotoffanfreedom."

Technical corners are the tricky parts of a track. They usually require you to slow down and place the car accurately so you don’t lose grip.

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elevation changes

"Thisonehasalotofelevationchanges,whichiswhatmakesitkindofworkreallydifferentfromeverybodyelse. [1272.6s] Yougotuhalotofplacesyoucangetthespeed,butthey'vegotflowingcorners."

Elevation changes are differences in track height as you drive through a course. They affect braking points, traction, and how the car loads up in corners because gravity and weight transfer vary with uphill and downhill sections.

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Virginia International Raceway

"I'veheardofthat,butit'sVirginiaInternationalRaceway. I'veheardofVIR. Anduhit'sconsideredoneofthebetterdrivingtracksthat'sinthecountry."

Virginia International Raceway is a famous race track in Virginia. People like it because it’s challenging to drive and has lots of twists and elevation changes.

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WeatherTech Raceway at Laguna Seca

"Then the other thing is going up to uhthe WeatherTechRacewayatLagunaSeca. Butweathertechissponsored. They'repayingthemalotofmoneytohavethenameofthetopic."

WeatherTech Raceway at Laguna Seca is a race track near Monterey, California. It’s known for big elevation changes and a famous downhill corner called the corkscrew.

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corkscrew

"Butit'soneofthethingsthatit'sfamousforisbecauseofit'sgotacoarsecrewturnwithasuddendownhillleft-rightsequencethatdropsseveralstoriesinelevation. Soyoureallykindofdropdownonit."

The corkscrew is a famous corner at Laguna Seca. It’s a steep downhill left-right that makes the car change direction while also dropping a lot in height.

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Steabring International Raceway

"UmanotherracetrackisgoingtobetheSteabringInternationalRaceway. It'soneoftheoldestandtoughestcircuitsinNorthAmerica,originallybuiltonanoldWorldWarIIfairfield. Soit'sawholekindofconcretesurfacesthatcangetkindofroughanduhmakesthingsreallychallengingforthecarsandthedrivers"

Steabring International Raceway is an old, tough race track in North America. It’s rough and punishing—built on an old airfield—so it can wear out tires and make driving harder.

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World War II airfield

"It'soneoftheoldestandtoughestcircuitsinNorthAmerica,originallybuiltonanoldWorldWarIIfairfield. Soit'sawholekindofconcretesurfacesthatcangetkindofroughanduhmakesthingsreallychallenging"

An airfield is a flat, paved area designed for aircraft operations, and older airfields can be repurposed into race circuits. When a track is built on that kind of infrastructure, the resulting layout and surface (like concrete) can feel very different from purpose-built modern road courses.

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12 hours

"Now,thisiswhereyou'regonnafindthe12hoursofsteaveringsometimes. Imean,that'saracethatyoucangotheretosee,andit'smorelikeoldschoolracing"

A 12-hour race is a long endurance event where cars keep running for 12 hours. Drivers rotate and teams plan pit stops, so strategy and reliability matter a lot.

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endurance

"Now,thisiswhereyou'regonnafindthe12hoursofsteaveringsometimes. Imean,that'saracethatyoucangotheretosee,andit'smorelikeoldschoolracing"

Endurance racing is about going for a long time without breaking. It rewards smooth, careful driving and good team strategy.

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Midohano

"Yeah,Tinohano. Midohanoisatechnicallayouttrack,anditumflowstothewoodedhillsandelevationchanges. Andit'scalledmajorserieslikeindiecardseriesthere."

Mid-Ohio is a race track that’s known for being tricky and twisty. It also has hills and elevation changes, so drivers have to adjust how they brake and turn as the track rises and falls.

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technical layout track

"Yeah,Tinohano. Midohanoisatechnicallayouttrack,anditumflowstothewoodedhillsandelevationchanges. Andit'scalledmajorserieslikeindiecardseriesthere."

A “technical” race track is one that’s hard to drive well, not just because it’s fast. It usually has lots of tricky corners and changes in the track that make you adjust your driving more often.

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BarberBarberMotorsportsPark

"Uh-oh. WheredidMiddohanogo? Hereitis. Yeah,Tinohano. Midohanoisatechnicallayouttrack,anditumflowstothewoodedhillsandelevationchanges. ... BarberBarberMotorsportsParkisconsideredoneofthemostbeautifulracingfacilities."

Barber Motorsports Park is a race track in Alabama. It’s known for being beautiful and for having lots of twisty corners and hills, which makes it challenging and fun for cars and bikes.

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blowing corners

"It'sgotsmoothpavement,blowingcorners,sotheygetalotofracingformotorcyclesthere,andthecarsalike. KindofumactuallyalsohastheBarberVintageMotorsportsMuseumonthesite."

“Blowing corners” means corners you can take pretty fast without slowing down too much. The track feels smooth and lets you keep your speed through the turn.

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indiecar Grand Prix of Alabama

"It'sgotsmoothpavement,blowingcorners,sotheygetalotofracingformotorcyclesthere,andthecarsalike. KindofumactuallyalsohastheBarberVintageMotorsportsMuseumonthesite. Soyougetacombinationofthetwo,includingtheindiecarGrandPrixofAlabama."

They mention the IndyCar Grand Prix of Alabama, which is a big open-wheel racing event. The point is that the track hosts major racing, not only smaller series.

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fastflowing line

"RhodentLanaisthelastonethatwe'regonnatalkaboutrightquick. It'sknownforitsfastflowingline,dramaticelevationchanges,anduhgotalotofhighspeed,steepdownhillrun."

A “fast-flowing line” is the smooth path a driver follows through corners. The goal is to keep the car moving steadily so you don’t have to slow down and start over each time.

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RhodentLanaisthelastonethatwe'regonnatalkaboutrightquick

"RhodentLanaisthelastonethatwe'regonnatalkaboutrightquick. It'sknownforitsfastflowingline,dramaticelevationchanges,anduhgotalotofhighspeed,steepdownhillrun."

It sounds like the hosts are talking about another race track, but the name is garbled in the transcript. They’re describing it as having fast, smooth corners and a steep downhill section.

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Car

2026 Jeep Grand Cherokee

"Hadachancetodrivethe2026JeepGrandCherokee. Whew. Thisthinghasgotaninteriorlikeyouwouldn'tbelieve."

The Jeep Grand Cherokee is a popular SUV that’s built to work for both everyday driving and rougher roads. Here, the host talks about the 2026 model’s interior, seating, and the way it looks like it’s meant to go off-road.

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trim levels

"Herearetheavailabletrimlevels:theLaredo,theLaredoX,theLaredoAltitude,theLimited,LimitedReserve,85thAnniversaryEdition,andtheSummit."

Trim levels are the different “packages” you can buy for the same car model. They change what features you get, like comfort tech, styling, and sometimes drivetrain choices.

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4x4

"I happentohavetheLforlongsummit4x4. ThisisastandardSUV,seatsixinthisparticularconfigurationinthreerows."

4x4 means the car can drive all four wheels, which helps it grip better on slippery or uneven ground. It’s commonly associated with off-road capability.

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three rows

"ThisisastandardSUV,seatsixinthisparticularconfigurationinthreerows. Youcangetabenchseatinthesecondrowifyouwant,butthatdoesawaywiththeconsole..."

Three rows means the SUV has seats in three different areas: front, middle, and back. It’s how you get extra passengers, like kids or friends in the third row.

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bench seat

"Youcangetabenchseatinthesecondrowifyouwant,butthatdoesawaywiththeconsole,andIthinkIwouldpreferthethree-rowallbuckets."

A bench seat is one long seat that can hold more than one person across. The host is saying that if you choose a bench in the second row, you lose some features like the center console.

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console

"Youcangetabenchseatinthesecondrowifyouwant,butthatdoesawaywiththeconsole,andIthinkIwouldpreferthethree-rowallbuckets."

The console is the center area between seats, usually with cupholders and storage. If you switch to a bench seat, that center area may disappear.

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all buckets

"Youcangetabenchseatinthesecondrowifyouwant,butthatdoesawaywiththeconsole,andIthinkIwouldpreferthethree-rowallbuckets."

“All buckets” means separate seats instead of one long bench. The host likes it because it keeps the center console and usually feels more comfortable for passengers.

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fifth generation

"Anyway,fifthgeneration,itwasallnewin2021,soitisfiveyearsoldasfarasthedesignisconcerned,butisupdatedthisyear."

“Fifth generation” is how car makers label major redesigns of a model. The host is saying this Grand Cherokee’s current generation started in 2021, and it’s now getting updates.

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seven-slot grille

"Exteriorfeatures,oneofthebestlookingSUVsinthemarket,inmyopinion,withamodernseven-slotgrille,typicalforJeep."

A seven-slot grille is the front grille design with seven openings. The host is pointing out it’s a recognizable Jeep styling detail.

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off-road demeanor

"Conservativedesignthroughoutthebody,squaredoffwheelopenings,contributestoitsoff-roaddemeanor."

“Off-road demeanor” means the car looks and feels like it’s built for dirt or rough roads. The host says the shape of the body and wheel areas helps create that impression.

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infotainment screen

"Infotainmentscreenisnotsointuitiveastheoutgoingmodel."

The infotainment screen is the main touchscreen for things like music, maps, and phone features. The host is saying this one is harder to use than the previous version.

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cargo

"Cargo? Well,it'suhthirdrowupstillallowsforsomestoragebackthere. Notalot,putthethirdrowdown,andyougottonsofroom."

Cargo is the space for luggage and other items. The host is saying you can still carry some stuff with the third row up, but you get a lot more room if you fold that row down.

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fit and finish

"Qualitymaterials,fitandfinish,designelements,it'sallthere."

Fit and finish is a way of describing how “tight” and well-made the car feels—like how clean the seams and panel gaps look. The host is saying the interior looks and feels high quality.

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start-stop feature

"Ithasa2.0 literTurbo4withastart-stopfeatureonit,whichtheycoulddoawaywith,buthelpsthegasmileage."

Start-stop is a system that turns the engine off when you’re stopped and turns it back on when you’re ready to go. It helps save fuel in traffic.

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2.0 liter Turbo 4

"Ithasa2.0 literTurbo4withastart-stopfeatureonit,whichtheycoulddoawaywith,buthelpsthegasmileage."

This means a 2.0-liter engine with four cylinders, and it has a turbocharger. The turbo helps the small engine feel stronger by pushing extra air into it.

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tow rating

"Torque332,eight-speedautomatictransmissionwithatowratingofthreetons,6,200pounds."

Tow rating is the maximum weight the car is designed and approved to pull. It’s based on how strong the drivetrain, brakes, and cooling system are.

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eight-speed automatic transmission

"Torque332,eight-speedautomatictransmissionwithatowratingofthreetons,6,200pounds."

This is the car’s automatic gearbox with eight different gear ratios. More gears can help the engine stay in the right “sweet spot” for smoother driving and better efficiency.

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turbo lag

"However,theturbolagcanbesignificantincertainscenarios,anditgrabbedmeforseveraltimeswhileIwasdrivingittheweekthatIhadit."

Turbo lag is a short delay before the turbo “kicks in” and the car starts pulling hard. You notice it most when you accelerate quickly from a slower speed.

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air ride suspension

"Theairridesuspensionisadefinitemust-have. Makesitsmoothasglassasfarasrideandhandlingisconcerned."

Air ride suspension uses air-filled springs to smooth out bumps. It can help the car feel more comfortable because it adjusts how the suspension reacts to the road.

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option

"Itisanoptiononlowerlevelsonthistop-of-the-linemodel. Itisallthereincludedintheprice."

An option is a feature you can add to the car when you buy it. It may cost extra and might not be included on every version.

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off-road vehicle

"Uh,thisisanoff-roadvehicle. Jeepknowshowtodooff-road,andmaybethisisrightupyouralley."

An off-road vehicle is built to drive on rough, uneven ground where regular cars struggle. The host is talking about which SUVs are best when you leave paved roads.

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base trim price

"Okay,herecomesthepricing. Basetrimprice,$62,195. Nowremember,thisistopoftheline."

Base trim price is the lowest price for the simplest version of a car. The host compares it to the higher price of the specific car they tested, to show how options can increase the total cost.

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price tested

"Nowremember,thisistopoftheline. Priceistested,$72,770. That'salot."

Price tested is the price of the exact car the host drove, with its specific options. It’s usually more than the cheapest version because the tested one is more fully equipped.

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top of the line

"Nowremember,thisistopoftheline. Priceistested,$72,770. That'salot."

“Top of the line” means the most expensive, most feature-packed version of that model. The host is saying the tested price is for that highest trim.

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Car

Hyundai Palisade

"NowthecompetitorsincludetheHyundaiPalisade. It'sat$39,435. That'swhereitstarts."

The Hyundai Palisade is a family SUV with room for multiple passengers. The host mentions its starting price to show how it stacks up against the Jeep.

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Car

Toyota Grand Highlander

"Also,theToyotaGrandHighlanderstartsat$41,860. Allverycompetitivethere."

The Toyota Grand Highlander is a bigger Toyota SUV with extra seating space. The host brings up its starting price to compare it with the Jeep.

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Honda Passport

"AndthentheHondaPassportjumpsupto$44,950asthestartingprice. Sotherearethree,buttherearemore,obviously."

The Honda Passport is a midsize SUV. The host mentions its starting price as another comparison point for shoppers considering the Jeep.

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Land Rover Range Rover Hybrid

"Nextweek,I'llreviewtheLandRoverRangeRoverHybrid. AndIthinkthatyou'regonnalikethatoneaswell."

The Range Rover Hybrid is a luxury SUV that uses both electricity and a traditional engine. The host says they’ll review it next week and thinks listeners will like it.

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