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Is Corey Heim vs. Carson Hocevar the next NASCAR rivalry?

Is Corey Heim vs. Carson Hocevar the next NASCAR rivalry?

SPEED with Harvick and Buxton Jul 09, 2026 29 min
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About this episode

Corey Heim talks Chicago next-gen drama, praising the race quality despite plenty of on-track incidents. He explains why intermediates have been his Cup weakness—he struggles to “feel” the rear tires and can’t get the car to yaw like he can in trucks, so he has to manage loading and stay under the tire. Heim credits 2311 Racing and leans on Denny Hamlin’s detailed feedback, while discussing how full-time Cup will change his prep and mental rhythm. He also weighs confidence from his Cup win against the tougher expectations of a full season.

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intermediate

"I mean, I think it's still a better 1.5 intermediate than probably the majority amount of halfs we go to."

NASCAR tracks are grouped by size. An “intermediate” track is in the middle—long enough that tires and car balance matter a lot, so teams have to set up the car to stay stable for the whole run.

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qualifying

"I mean, going out second and qualifying, we qualified 28th, I believe. And then it was just a slow climb all day."

Qualifying is the session that sets where you start the race. If you qualify well, you start closer to the front, which can make the race easier because you’re not stuck in traffic.

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stage

"You know, because I felt like we were just consistently getting a couple of spots per stage and worked all the way up to nine."

In NASCAR, the race is divided into parts called stages. Points are awarded at the end of each stage, so teams plan how hard to push and how to manage the car before the next stage ends.

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shielded eye camera

"So a pretty good day for our shielded eye camera. I mean, a great day."

That’s a special onboard camera mounted in the car with a protective cover. It’s meant to show the driver’s view during the race while staying protected from track debris.

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Cup

"What is it about Cup that has come? I don't want to say so easily for you because nothing's ever easy at this level. But you seem to have such an affinity for this car, this style of driving."

“Cup” means the NASCAR Cup Series, which is NASCAR’s top racing level. It’s the most competitive series, so getting results there is a big deal.

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rear tires

"It's just really hard to feel their rear tires for me. So it's been difficult to adapt to it."

The “rear tires” are the back tires that provide most of the grip for turning and exiting corners. If you can’t feel them well, it’s harder to know when the car is about to lose traction.

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next-gen car

"When you talk about the next-gen car in itself, and look, I was old by the time I got to the next-gen car and had to switch everything that I had to do from a driving style."

NASCAR’s “next-gen car” is the newer race car design they use. When it changes, drivers often have to adjust how they drive because the car feels different.

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driving it sideways

"Is it just you can't drive it sideways when you can't feel the rear tires?"

“Driving it sideways” describes a technique where the car is intentionally rotated so the rear steps out while the driver maintains control. In NASCAR terms, it’s often discussed as a way to manage corner entry/rotation when traction is limited.

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backing in

"In every car that I've ever driven, I can feel when I'm loose into the corner or backing in."

“Backing in” is a way of entering a corner where the car rotates more from the rear. It’s a technique that depends on having enough grip and being able to feel the tires.

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counter steering

"So by the time you're counter steering into the corner, it's already too late. So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire."

When the car starts to slide, you turn the steering wheel the opposite way to regain control. It helps keep the car stable while you’re turning into the corner.

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loading process of the corner

"So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire. But it's really all four corners of the car."

It means setting up the car so the tires get good grip at the right moment in the turn. If you do it wrong, the tires can lose traction before you’re ready.

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under the tire

"So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire. But it's really all four corners of the car."

It’s a way of saying you want the tires to be gripping well, not sliding. The car should be balanced so the tires can handle the turn.

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over-slipping

"I just kind of realized that I was just completely over-slipping the front tires. I didn't even realize it. It's just so hard to feel when the tires are oversaturated and you're asking too much out of them."

It means the tires are sliding more than they should. When that happens, grip drops and the car doesn’t turn as well as it could.

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oversaturated

"It's just so hard to feel when the tires are oversaturated and you're asking too much out of them. Sometimes when you slow everything down and sort of try to stay under the tire, it makes a big difference for me."

It means the tires are working too hard and can’t grip any better. After that point, the car starts to slide instead of turning cleanly.

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yaw

"I can just feel the yaw on the truck and how loose I am or how tight I am, the Cup car. And I'll get better as I run more races, of course, but the Cup car has just been difficult to find that limit for me."

Yaw is how much the car’s front end swings sideways. If you feel more yaw, the car is rotating more and may be looser or tighter than you want.

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Denny Hamlin

"Because I tell people all the time, Denny Hamlin is the hardest working guy in the garage to get the most details out of his car. How much do you lean on him?"

Denny Hamlin is a NASCAR driver who’s also involved in running a team. In this segment, they’re saying he’s great at getting detailed feedback to help the car perform better.

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2311 Racing

"Yeah, a good bit, of course, with him being a team owner of 2311 Racing. It's just easy to, you know, access that."

2311 Racing is a NASCAR team. The point here is that Denny Hamlin helps run it, so his advice and details about the car are easier to get.

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road course ability

"I've always been really confident in my road course ability. Not that I thought I was going to go to San Diego and win the race by any means..."

A “road course” is a track that’s more like a normal race track with lots of turns, not just left turns on an oval. “Road course ability” means how good the driver is at handling that kind of track.

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super speedway

"So there's going to be races. I think super speedway stick out to me the most... Super speedway is probably at the bottom for me. I feel like I'm pretty green to that kind of stuff."

A “super speedway” is one of the biggest, fastest oval tracks in NASCAR. The cars run at high speed for long stretches, so it can feel harder if you’re not used to that style of racing.

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victory lane

"So, yeah, I mean, my confidence level is higher, just knowing that I'm able to do it and get to victory lane."

“Victory lane” is what NASCAR fans call the spot where the winner goes right after the race. It’s basically a way of saying “winning the race.”

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truck side

"So you've you raced in one truck championships and won a lot of races on the on the truck side. You've won in Cup now..."

“Truck side” means the NASCAR Truck Series, which uses pickup-truck-style race cars. Racing there can feel different than racing in the top Cup series.

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right rear

"The feeling of how you make speed, you're driving off the right rear in the truck. I feel like you're driving off the right front of cup car."

“Right rear” means the rear-right tire is doing a lot of the work when you leave a corner. The driver is describing which tire they feel is providing the grip to accelerate.

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right front

"I feel like you're driving off the right front of cup car. It's a totally different way of thinking about things."

“Right front” means the front-right tire is doing a lot of the work when you exit the corner. The driver is saying the Cup car feels like it relies more on the front tire for traction.

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full-time

"I never really got a great opportunity at like a good full-time Xfendi ride or O'Reilly ride rather."

“Full-time” means racing most or all of the season, not just a few races. It usually means you get more practice and better consistency with the team and car.

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OEM support

"But it's just very difficult if you're not with the right team and, you know, have the right OEM support and everything. It's just impossible to consistently win races."

OEM support is help from the car maker behind the brand. In racing, that can mean better parts and more technical help to improve the team’s performance.

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part-time seasons

"But I think the mixed bag of part-time seasons has done me well and just kind of getting my feet wet and kind of getting my foot in the door. So I think my development has been pretty good so far on my path."

Part-time seasons mean racing only some of the races instead of all of them. It can still help you gain experience, but it’s tougher to build steady momentum.

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repeat it week after week

"And I think that's important. And I think that if you're going to compete, you've got to have the details down to be able to repeat it week after week. And if you're going to get beat down, like you're going to wreck and you're going to have a bad week and you're going to have things go wrong."

This is about being able to perform consistently, not just have one good race. In NASCAR, conditions and tracks change, so you need a plan that works again and again.

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reset it next week

"And if you're going to get beat down, like you're going to wreck and you're going to have a bad week and you're going to have things go wrong. And you're going to run into somebody and having to deal with all that stuff and reset it next week is super important, which I think is something that you do a really good job at."

If something goes wrong in a race, “reset it next week” means you quickly fix the damage and adjust so you’re ready for the next race. It’s about bouncing back fast as a team.

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go-karts

"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"

Go-karts are small race cars you drive on a track. A lot of young racers start here because it’s a fun, affordable way to learn how to drive fast and race.

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legend cars

"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"

Legend cars are a type of race car used for developing drivers. The idea is that the cars are similar, so you learn racing skills as you move up.

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bandoleros

"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"

Bandoleros are smaller race cars for young drivers. They help drivers learn how to race against others before moving up to bigger cars.

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quarter midgets

"I started in quarter midgets. I raced those until I think I was 12 or 13 years old and it was just me and my dad."

Quarter midgets are small race cars made for kids. Many future stock-car drivers start in this class before moving up to bigger race cars.

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late model

"I think I stepped foot in a late model for the first time at 16."

Late models are a higher level of stock-car racing than the youth classes. They’re a common next step because the cars are more powerful and the racing is more serious.

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Premier Venturini Motorsports

"...because I got to be in that Premier Venturini Motorsports seat. And then by the time I was ready for trucks, I was in the Premier Truck seat."

Premier Venturini Motorsports is a racing team. Getting a “seat” with them means you’re the driver hired to race one of their cars.

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Toyota Pipeline

"I think if I was a year earlier, I would have been competing against guys like Ekis and Chandler Smith and the Toyota Pipeline."

A “Toyota Pipeline” is Toyota’s way of finding and developing race drivers. They help promising drivers move up step-by-step toward bigger NASCAR opportunities.

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Riley rides

"By the time I got there, they had already taken their Riley rides at that point."

“Riley rides” means getting a chance to race with a specific NASCAR team named Riley. In racing, a “ride” is basically a seat in a car for a series or event.

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ARCA

"But as soon as he, his business started doing a little bit better and we were able to afford to race late models and get my foot in the door and part-time ARCA."

ARCA is a stock-car racing series that helps drivers build experience before moving up to bigger NASCAR levels. Think of it like a training ground where drivers can prove themselves.

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legends cars

"I would probably be stuck racing legends cars or late models right now."

Legends cars are small, standardized race cars used for entry-level short-track racing. Since the cars are similar, it’s a good place for drivers to learn and show their talent.

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truck career

"When I think about my truck career so far, I think I'm right around 100 if I'm not mistaken."

The “truck” refers to NASCAR’s Truck Series, which is a step below the top Cup Series. Drivers often learn the basics there before moving up.

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inputs

"I really feel like I have to individualize every aspect of it. Like I have to tell myself, all right, like slow my inputs down"

“Inputs” means what the driver does with the steering wheel and pedals. Slowing those actions down can help the car behave more predictably.

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muscle memory

"sometimes muscle memory takes over and it's like, okay, hold on."

Muscle memory is when your body repeats a learned movement automatically. In racing, it can sometimes make you react too fast, so the driver may have to slow down and think through inputs.

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pedals

"Even in the race yesterday, I started to back up my corners and, you know, my, my pedals got really drastic."

“Pedals” are the brake and gas. If you move them too abruptly, the car can feel unstable, so smoother pedal control helps.

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getting really loose into the corner

"And I got to a point where I was getting really loose into the corner, just felt like I was choppy."

“Loose” means the car doesn’t grip the road as well, especially in the rear. When that happens in a turn, the car can feel like it’s sliding or rotating too much.

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evolve or die

"If you know, you better, it's evolve or die. You have to evolve in that cup car."

“Evolve or die” is basically “keep improving or you’ll fall behind.” In racing, it means you have to learn from what’s not working and adjust.

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Darlington

"I've hit most of them in the truck, but from a cup car perspective, probably Darlington. I've raced in Darlington, the Southern 500 this year."

Darlington is a famous NASCAR race track. It’s known for being tough on tires and for making cars feel different than at many other tracks, so it’s a big deal for drivers.

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Southern 500

"I've raced in Darlington, the Southern 500 this year. I don't know if it's more about the track or just the fact that I grew up in Atlanta."

The Southern 500 is a major NASCAR race at Darlington. It’s considered one of the biggest, most historic events on the NASCAR calendar.

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throwback weekend

"So we drive up to the Southern 500. I think I've been to that race eight times as a fan, you know, as a kid growing up and I love the throwback weekend. I know it's kind of falling off in recent years."

A “throwback weekend” is when NASCAR teams use older-style paint schemes and designs. It’s a fun event for fans because it celebrates the sport’s history.

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Daytona 500

"I got to experience the Daytona 500 for the first time this year. I went to that race a couple of times growing up. The Cook 600 as well."

The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s biggest race, run at Daytona. Because cars run close together at very high speed, racing strategy matters a lot.

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Cook 600

"I went to that race a couple of times growing up. The Cook 600 as well. I think the Southern 500, the last kind of crown jewel is going to be a really cool one for me looking forward to that."

The Cook 600 is a long NASCAR race. Because it takes a while, teams have to manage tires and fuel and keep the car working well for the whole distance.

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