Is Corey Heim vs. Carson Hocevar the next NASCAR rivalry?
About this episode
Corey Heim talks Chicago next-gen drama, praising the race quality despite plenty of on-track incidents. He explains why intermediates have been his Cup weakness—he struggles to “feel” the rear tires and can’t get the car to yaw like he can in trucks, so he has to manage loading and stay under the tire. Heim credits 2311 Racing and leans on Denny Hamlin’s detailed feedback, while discussing how full-time Cup will change his prep and mental rhythm. He also weighs confidence from his Cup win against the tougher expectations of a full season.
intermediate
"I mean, I think it's still a better 1.5 intermediate than probably the majority amount of halfs we go to."
NASCAR tracks are grouped by size. An “intermediate” track is in the middle—long enough that tires and car balance matter a lot, so teams have to set up the car to stay stable for the whole run.
In NASCAR, an “intermediate” track is a mid-length oval (typically around 1 to 2 miles) that demands a balance of speed and stability. The car setup and driving style tend to differ from short tracks and superspeedways because tire wear, traction, and aerodynamic balance all matter over longer runs.
qualifying
"I mean, going out second and qualifying, we qualified 28th, I believe. And then it was just a slow climb all day."
Qualifying is the session that sets where you start the race. If you qualify well, you start closer to the front, which can make the race easier because you’re not stuck in traffic.
Qualifying in NASCAR determines the starting position for the race. A driver’s qualifying result affects track position at the start, which can be crucial on tracks where passing is difficult.
stage
"You know, because I felt like we were just consistently getting a couple of spots per stage and worked all the way up to nine."
In NASCAR, the race is divided into parts called stages. Points are awarded at the end of each stage, so teams plan how hard to push and how to manage the car before the next stage ends.
NASCAR races are split into segments called stages, with points awarded at the end of each stage. Drivers often manage tires and fuel strategy across stages, then push harder when they’re chasing stage position and points.
shielded eye camera
"So a pretty good day for our shielded eye camera. I mean, a great day."
That’s a special onboard camera mounted in the car with a protective cover. It’s meant to show the driver’s view during the race while staying protected from track debris.
A “shielded eye camera” is a driver-focused onboard camera mounted behind a protective shield to reduce damage from debris and improve image stability. It’s used to capture what the driver sees and how they react during the race.
Cup
"What is it about Cup that has come? I don't want to say so easily for you because nothing's ever easy at this level. But you seem to have such an affinity for this car, this style of driving."
“Cup” means the NASCAR Cup Series, which is NASCAR’s top racing level. It’s the most competitive series, so getting results there is a big deal.
“Cup” refers to the NASCAR Cup Series, the top level of NASCAR racing. It’s where the most competitive teams and drivers race, and where car development, strategy, and racecraft are under the biggest spotlight.
rear tires
"It's just really hard to feel their rear tires for me. So it's been difficult to adapt to it."
The “rear tires” are the back tires that provide most of the grip for turning and exiting corners. If you can’t feel them well, it’s harder to know when the car is about to lose traction.
“Rear tires” are the tires on the back axle, and in racing they strongly influence traction and how the car rotates in corners. If a driver can’t “feel” the rear tires, it often means they’re struggling to judge grip and balance at the limit.
next-gen car
"When you talk about the next-gen car in itself, and look, I was old by the time I got to the next-gen car and had to switch everything that I had to do from a driving style."
NASCAR’s “next-gen car” is the newer race car design they use. When it changes, drivers often have to adjust how they drive because the car feels different.
The “next-gen car” is NASCAR’s newer generation of race car platform designed to replace the previous car. It changes how the car behaves and how drivers must adapt their setup and driving style.
driving it sideways
"Is it just you can't drive it sideways when you can't feel the rear tires?"
“Driving it sideways” describes a technique where the car is intentionally rotated so the rear steps out while the driver maintains control. In NASCAR terms, it’s often discussed as a way to manage corner entry/rotation when traction is limited.
backing in
"In every car that I've ever driven, I can feel when I'm loose into the corner or backing in."
“Backing in” is a way of entering a corner where the car rotates more from the rear. It’s a technique that depends on having enough grip and being able to feel the tires.
“Backing in” is a driving style where the driver turns the car into the corner by using the rear to rotate first, rather than aiming for a smooth, early front-end entry. It’s closely tied to how the driver manages rear grip and balance.
counter steering
"So by the time you're counter steering into the corner, it's already too late. So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire."
When the car starts to slide, you turn the steering wheel the opposite way to regain control. It helps keep the car stable while you’re turning into the corner.
Counter steering is the steering input you make in the opposite direction of a slide to help control oversteer. In NASCAR terms, it’s about keeping the car pointed where you want while the tires are loaded and the car is rotating into the corner.
loading process of the corner
"So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire. But it's really all four corners of the car."
It means setting up the car so the tires get good grip at the right moment in the turn. If you do it wrong, the tires can lose traction before you’re ready.
“Loading” refers to how the driver builds tire grip by transferring weight and applying steering/throttle/brake inputs so the tires are loaded at the right time. The goal is to keep the car “under the tire,” meaning the contact patches are working efficiently instead of losing grip.
under the tire
"So you really have to be dialed in off the wall and do the whole loading process of the corner to make sure that you're under the tire. But it's really all four corners of the car."
It’s a way of saying you want the tires to be gripping well, not sliding. The car should be balanced so the tires can handle the turn.
“Under the tire” is driver shorthand for keeping the car’s load and balance positioned so the tires are doing their job—staying in the grip window rather than sliding. It’s closely tied to managing tire slip and weight transfer through the corner.
over-slipping
"I just kind of realized that I was just completely over-slipping the front tires. I didn't even realize it. It's just so hard to feel when the tires are oversaturated and you're asking too much out of them."
It means the tires are sliding more than they should. When that happens, grip drops and the car doesn’t turn as well as it could.
Over-slipping means the tires are exceeding the amount of slip that produces maximum grip, so traction falls off. The driver may not notice immediately, especially if the car is close to the limit, but it shows up as instability or reduced cornering effectiveness.
oversaturated
"It's just so hard to feel when the tires are oversaturated and you're asking too much out of them. Sometimes when you slow everything down and sort of try to stay under the tire, it makes a big difference for me."
It means the tires are working too hard and can’t grip any better. After that point, the car starts to slide instead of turning cleanly.
“Oversaturated” describes tires being pushed beyond their effective grip range—often because the driver is asking for too much lateral force. Once the tire is saturated, additional input doesn’t increase grip and instead leads to more slip and loss of control.
yaw
"I can just feel the yaw on the truck and how loose I am or how tight I am, the Cup car. And I'll get better as I run more races, of course, but the Cup car has just been difficult to find that limit for me."
Yaw is how much the car’s front end swings sideways. If you feel more yaw, the car is rotating more and may be looser or tighter than you want.
Yaw is the car’s rotation around its vertical axis—how much the nose swings left or right relative to the direction of travel. Drivers use yaw feel to judge looseness/tightness and how the car is rotating through the corner.
Denny Hamlin
"Because I tell people all the time, Denny Hamlin is the hardest working guy in the garage to get the most details out of his car. How much do you lean on him?"
Denny Hamlin is a NASCAR driver who’s also involved in running a team. In this segment, they’re saying he’s great at getting detailed feedback to help the car perform better.
Denny Hamlin is a top NASCAR driver and team owner known for being very detail-focused about setup and car behavior. The hosts use him as an example of someone who extracts lots of information to improve how the car drives.
2311 Racing
"Yeah, a good bit, of course, with him being a team owner of 2311 Racing. It's just easy to, you know, access that."
2311 Racing is a NASCAR team. The point here is that Denny Hamlin helps run it, so his advice and details about the car are easier to get.
2311 Racing is the NASCAR team organization associated with Denny Hamlin. In this context, it explains why the speaker can “access” Hamlin’s input—because he’s not just a driver, he’s also a team owner.
road course ability
"I've always been really confident in my road course ability. Not that I thought I was going to go to San Diego and win the race by any means..."
A “road course” is a track that’s more like a normal race track with lots of turns, not just left turns on an oval. “Road course ability” means how good the driver is at handling that kind of track.
“Road course” refers to NASCAR races on tracks built like road circuits (with lots of turns and braking zones), rather than oval tracks. “Road course ability” is the driver’s skill set for that style of racing, which often rewards different braking/turn-in habits and car setup than ovals.
super speedway
"So there's going to be races. I think super speedway stick out to me the most... Super speedway is probably at the bottom for me. I feel like I'm pretty green to that kind of stuff."
A “super speedway” is one of the biggest, fastest oval tracks in NASCAR. The cars run at high speed for long stretches, so it can feel harder if you’re not used to that style of racing.
A “super speedway” is NASCAR’s category for the largest high-speed oval tracks (commonly 2 miles or longer). These tracks emphasize aerodynamic grip and sustained high-speed stability, and they often feel very different from road courses and intermediate ovals.
victory lane
"So, yeah, I mean, my confidence level is higher, just knowing that I'm able to do it and get to victory lane."
“Victory lane” is what NASCAR fans call the spot where the winner goes right after the race. It’s basically a way of saying “winning the race.”
“Victory lane” is NASCAR’s nickname for the area where the winner parks after the race. It’s become shorthand for actually winning and getting the post-race celebration.
truck side
"So you've you raced in one truck championships and won a lot of races on the on the truck side. You've won in Cup now..."
“Truck side” means the NASCAR Truck Series, which uses pickup-truck-style race cars. Racing there can feel different than racing in the top Cup series.
“Truck side” refers to NASCAR’s Truck Series, where teams race pickup-truck-bodied stock cars. The driving style, race lengths, and competitive dynamics can differ from the Cup Series, even though the cars are still stock cars.
right rear
"The feeling of how you make speed, you're driving off the right rear in the truck. I feel like you're driving off the right front of cup car."
“Right rear” means the rear-right tire is doing a lot of the work when you leave a corner. The driver is describing which tire they feel is providing the grip to accelerate.
“Driving off the right rear” is a driving technique description tied to how the car loads and grips as it exits a corner. It implies the driver is using the rear-right tire as the primary source of traction and stability when accelerating out of the turn.
right front
"I feel like you're driving off the right front of cup car. It's a totally different way of thinking about things."
“Right front” means the front-right tire is doing a lot of the work when you exit the corner. The driver is saying the Cup car feels like it relies more on the front tire for traction.
“Driving off the right front” suggests that, in a Cup car, the driver feels the front-right tire is the key grip point during corner exit. That points to a different balance/handling behavior between the series, affecting how the car responds to steering and throttle.
full-time
"I never really got a great opportunity at like a good full-time Xfendi ride or O'Reilly ride rather."
“Full-time” means racing most or all of the season, not just a few races. It usually means you get more practice and better consistency with the team and car.
“Full-time” in NASCAR means running a complete season schedule with consistent team support and seat time, rather than part-time or sporadic starts. The driver is contrasting having a stable ride versus missing out on that kind of opportunity.
OEM support
"But it's just very difficult if you're not with the right team and, you know, have the right OEM support and everything. It's just impossible to consistently win races."
OEM support is help from the car maker behind the brand. In racing, that can mean better parts and more technical help to improve the team’s performance.
OEM support means help from the original equipment manufacturer—typically the automaker that builds the production vehicles and supplies parts/engineering direction for the race program. In NASCAR, stronger OEM support can translate into better parts, technical guidance, and development resources.
part-time seasons
"But I think the mixed bag of part-time seasons has done me well and just kind of getting my feet wet and kind of getting my foot in the door. So I think my development has been pretty good so far on my path."
Part-time seasons mean racing only some of the races instead of all of them. It can still help you gain experience, but it’s tougher to build steady momentum.
Part-time seasons are when a driver doesn’t compete in every race, often filling in for certain events or running a limited schedule. The “mixed bag” approach can still build experience, but it usually makes it harder to develop consistent results compared with full-time seat time.
repeat it week after week
"And I think that's important. And I think that if you're going to compete, you've got to have the details down to be able to repeat it week after week. And if you're going to get beat down, like you're going to wreck and you're going to have a bad week and you're going to have things go wrong."
This is about being able to perform consistently, not just have one good race. In NASCAR, conditions and tracks change, so you need a plan that works again and again.
In NASCAR, “repeat it week after week” refers to the ability to deliver consistent performance despite changing tracks, conditions, and competition. It’s a development goal because winning requires not just speed in one race, but repeatable setups and execution across an entire season.
reset it next week
"And if you're going to get beat down, like you're going to wreck and you're going to have a bad week and you're going to have things go wrong. And you're going to run into somebody and having to deal with all that stuff and reset it next week is super important, which I think is something that you do a really good job at."
If something goes wrong in a race, “reset it next week” means you quickly fix the damage and adjust so you’re ready for the next race. It’s about bouncing back fast as a team.
“Reset it next week” describes the rapid recovery process after a crash or poor performance—getting the car repaired, the setup corrected, and the team ready for the next event. In NASCAR, this is as much about team execution and communication as it is about driver skill.
go-karts
"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"
Go-karts are small race cars you drive on a track. A lot of young racers start here because it’s a fun, affordable way to learn how to drive fast and race.
Go-karts are small, lightweight racing cars with a simple chassis and steering, typically powered by a small engine. They’re a common entry point for young drivers because they’re relatively inexpensive and teach racecraft like driving lines and braking points.
legend cars
"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"
Legend cars are a type of race car used for developing drivers. The idea is that the cars are similar, so you learn racing skills as you move up.
Legend cars are a spec-style youth racing category built around standardized cars that emphasize driver skill. They’re commonly used in the U.S. as a bridge between entry-level karting and higher-level stock-car racing.
bandoleros
"Did you start in go-karts, legend cars, bandoleros?"
Bandoleros are smaller race cars for young drivers. They help drivers learn how to race against others before moving up to bigger cars.
Bandoleros are youth stock-car-style race cars (and a racing class) intended for younger drivers. They’re typically used to teach handling, race strategy, and competition before stepping into larger late-model or national series cars.
quarter midgets
"I started in quarter midgets. I raced those until I think I was 12 or 13 years old and it was just me and my dad."
Quarter midgets are small race cars made for kids. Many future stock-car drivers start in this class before moving up to bigger race cars.
Quarter midgets are a youth racing class that uses small, scaled-down race cars (about a quarter-size of a full car). They’re designed for kids and teens and are often a stepping-stone toward bigger stock-car series.
late model
"I think I stepped foot in a late model for the first time at 16."
Late models are a higher level of stock-car racing than the youth classes. They’re a common next step because the cars are more powerful and the racing is more serious.
A late model is a stock-car racing category—often regional—that uses purpose-built cars with a strong focus on short-track racing. It’s a common step up from youth series because it introduces more powerful cars, heavier competition, and more advanced setups.
Premier Venturini Motorsports
"...because I got to be in that Premier Venturini Motorsports seat. And then by the time I was ready for trucks, I was in the Premier Truck seat."
Premier Venturini Motorsports is a racing team. Getting a “seat” with them means you’re the driver hired to race one of their cars.
Premier Venturini Motorsports is a racing team in the ARCA/stock-car world. When the speaker says they got into the “Premier Venturini Motorsports seat,” they mean securing a drive with that team in a specific car/entry.
Toyota Pipeline
"I think if I was a year earlier, I would have been competing against guys like Ekis and Chandler Smith and the Toyota Pipeline."
A “Toyota Pipeline” is Toyota’s way of finding and developing race drivers. They help promising drivers move up step-by-step toward bigger NASCAR opportunities.
In NASCAR, a “Toyota Pipeline” refers to Toyota’s structured driver development path—how young racers are scouted, supported, and progressed through Toyota-backed series and teams. It’s essentially a talent funnel that aims to move drivers toward higher NASCAR levels with Toyota support.
Riley rides
"By the time I got there, they had already taken their Riley rides at that point."
“Riley rides” means getting a chance to race with a specific NASCAR team named Riley. In racing, a “ride” is basically a seat in a car for a series or event.
“Riley rides” refers to race opportunities (“rides”) with Riley—most commonly meaning Riley Motorsports, a team that fields cars in NASCAR’s development ecosystem. In this context, it’s about who got the chance to race with that team earlier in their career.
ARCA
"But as soon as he, his business started doing a little bit better and we were able to afford to race late models and get my foot in the door and part-time ARCA."
ARCA is a stock-car racing series that helps drivers build experience before moving up to bigger NASCAR levels. Think of it like a training ground where drivers can prove themselves.
ARCA (Automobile Racing Club of America) is a stock-car racing series that often serves as a stepping stone for drivers aiming toward NASCAR. Many drivers use ARCA to gain seat time, experience with similar race cars, and visibility with higher-level teams.
legends cars
"I would probably be stuck racing legends cars or late models right now."
Legends cars are small, standardized race cars used for entry-level short-track racing. Since the cars are similar, it’s a good place for drivers to learn and show their talent.
“Legends cars” are a spec-style short-track racing series using standardized cars designed to be affordable and competitive. Because the cars are more uniform, driver skill and consistency tend to stand out, making it a common entry point for younger racers.
truck career
"When I think about my truck career so far, I think I'm right around 100 if I'm not mistaken."
The “truck” refers to NASCAR’s Truck Series, which is a step below the top Cup Series. Drivers often learn the basics there before moving up.
“Truck” refers to NASCAR’s Truck Series, a lower tier than the Cup Series. Drivers often build experience there before moving up, and the driving feel can differ between series.
inputs
"I really feel like I have to individualize every aspect of it. Like I have to tell myself, all right, like slow my inputs down"
“Inputs” means what the driver does with the steering wheel and pedals. Slowing those actions down can help the car behave more predictably.
In driving, “inputs” are the driver’s physical commands—steering, throttle, and brake actions—that control the car’s motion. The speaker emphasizes slowing inputs down to make the car easier to drive and reduce mistakes.
muscle memory
"sometimes muscle memory takes over and it's like, okay, hold on."
Muscle memory is when your body repeats a learned movement automatically. In racing, it can sometimes make you react too fast, so the driver may have to slow down and think through inputs.
Muscle memory is the automatic, learned movement pattern a driver’s body performs without conscious thought. In racing, it can be helpful, but if the car’s behavior changes, the driver may need to override it with slower, more deliberate inputs.
pedals
"Even in the race yesterday, I started to back up my corners and, you know, my, my pedals got really drastic."
“Pedals” are the brake and gas. If you move them too abruptly, the car can feel unstable, so smoother pedal control helps.
“Pedals” refers to the brake and accelerator controls used to modulate speed and traction. The speaker describes how drastic pedal movements can make the car harder to drive in a Cup car.
getting really loose into the corner
"And I got to a point where I was getting really loose into the corner, just felt like I was choppy."
“Loose” means the car doesn’t grip the road as well, especially in the rear. When that happens in a turn, the car can feel like it’s sliding or rotating too much.
“Getting loose” means the car’s rear end loses grip, causing oversteer-like behavior where the car wants to rotate more than the driver expects. The speaker connects it to choppiness and the need to slow inputs to regain control.
evolve or die
"If you know, you better, it's evolve or die. You have to evolve in that cup car."
“Evolve or die” is basically “keep improving or you’ll fall behind.” In racing, it means you have to learn from what’s not working and adjust.
“Evolve or die” is a mindset about continuous improvement—adapting driving style, car setup, and strategy as competition and technology change. In racing, it often means learning from feedback and refining what you do each week.
Darlington
"I've hit most of them in the truck, but from a cup car perspective, probably Darlington. I've raced in Darlington, the Southern 500 this year."
Darlington is a famous NASCAR race track. It’s known for being tough on tires and for making cars feel different than at many other tracks, so it’s a big deal for drivers.
Darlington is a NASCAR track known for its unique, abrasive surface and the way the car behaves through long, high-load corners. Drivers often treat it as a special test of setup and tire management, which is why it comes up as a “bucket list” race.
Southern 500
"I've raced in Darlington, the Southern 500 this year. I don't know if it's more about the track or just the fact that I grew up in Atlanta."
The Southern 500 is a major NASCAR race at Darlington. It’s considered one of the biggest, most historic events on the NASCAR calendar.
The Southern 500 is a marquee NASCAR Cup Series race held at Darlington Raceway. It’s one of the sport’s historic “crown jewel” events, so it carries extra prestige for drivers and fans.
throwback weekend
"So we drive up to the Southern 500. I think I've been to that race eight times as a fan, you know, as a kid growing up and I love the throwback weekend. I know it's kind of falling off in recent years."
A “throwback weekend” is when NASCAR teams use older-style paint schemes and designs. It’s a fun event for fans because it celebrates the sport’s history.
A “throwback weekend” in NASCAR is an event where teams and drivers run retro paint schemes and branding inspired by earlier eras. It’s mostly a fan-facing tradition, but it also affects how cars look on track and how merchandise is marketed.
Daytona 500
"I got to experience the Daytona 500 for the first time this year. I went to that race a couple of times growing up. The Cook 600 as well."
The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s biggest race, run at Daytona. Because cars run close together at very high speed, racing strategy matters a lot.
The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s flagship race held at Daytona International Speedway. It’s famous for high-speed drafting (pack racing), which makes strategy and timing as important as raw speed.
Cook 600
"I went to that race a couple of times growing up. The Cook 600 as well. I think the Southern 500, the last kind of crown jewel is going to be a really cool one for me looking forward to that."
The Cook 600 is a long NASCAR race. Because it takes a while, teams have to manage tires and fuel and keep the car working well for the whole distance.
The Cook 600 is a NASCAR Cup Series race known for being a long, endurance-style event. That length emphasizes fuel strategy, tire wear, and keeping the car consistent over many laps.
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