0:00 / 0:00
JPL & Long Beach

JPL & Long Beach

Off Track with Hinch and Rossi Apr 23, 2026 46 min
0:00
0:00

About this episode

A chaotic-but-fun catch-up turns into a deep IndyCar weekend recap, starting with the guys’ off-track adventures: a live dog-shelter podcast, an IndyCar event at the Petersen Museum, and a JPL tour where they geek out on mission control, antenna networks, and even the “lucky peanuts” superstition. Long Beach follows—huge fan turnout, new Penske-era touches, and Alex’s Long Beach Walk of Fame induction. On track, they dissect a “perfect-feeling but not fastest” car, a race that never really produced passing, and post-race controversy over push-to-pass being available on a restart.

Cars: Ford Ranger
Filter:
|
Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Concept

3D printing

"I want to talk about 3D printing before I forget about this... I was given a 3D printed Lego version of myself... And it is on my desk."

3D printing is like making a real object from a computer file, one thin layer at a time. Here, it’s used to make a custom figure of the driver as a special fan gift.

Topic

IndyCarPatic

"Gift giving has become quite a standard practice in the IndyCarPatic, which is incredible."

This sounds like a playful way of talking about IndyCar race-weekend culture. The point is that drivers often get gifts from fans, and it’s become pretty normal.

Concept

setup changes and strategy decisions

"And it is on my desk. And we use him to consult him for all future setup changes and strategy decisions."

Racers constantly tweak the car to make it handle better, and they also make race plans as the event unfolds. This line is basically saying the figure is a good-luck reminder tied to future car and race decisions.

Term

blue shell

"[305.6s] So anyways, what do you have to do with that blue shell I gave you, by the way? [308.5s] He threw it out."

A “shell” usually means the outer body of a car. “Blue shell” probably means a blue-colored body/outer piece that someone got as a gift.

Company

Peterson Museum

"And then I popped down to LA to do an event with IndyCar at the Peterson Museum. Another live podcast tape, which was another two podcasts last week and neither were ours."

They’re talking about the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. It’s a well-known car museum, and they’re saying it’s worth visiting if you get the chance.

Company

Jet Propulsion Laboratory

"The Jet Propulsion Laboratory, as it's affectionately known. Which I mean, Tim, you're the one telling me the history of how that became... every spacecraft that NASA sends, these guys build it and we saw the chamber where they"

JPL is a NASA-related lab that helps build spacecraft for space missions. In this part, they’re touring and learning how the lab started and why it’s important for building space hardware.

Concept

NASA facility

"I've known it's a NASA facility in that they build cool stuff and jet engines and rocket engines or whatever. But I did not know how it actually all came to be and that it's actually owned by Cal Poly"

They’re saying JPL is connected to NASA and helps with building space technology. The point is that it’s not just a random lab—it’s part of how NASA gets missions built.

Company

Cal Poly

"But I did not know how it actually all came to be and that it's actually owned by Cal Poly and the sort of the Genesis of the whole facility."

They mention Cal Poly as part of JPL’s background. The takeaway is that the lab’s story involves university involvement, not only NASA.

Concept

telemetry

"that are just going. All of them, all of them. Yeah. Their data and information and stuff is sent back to JPL and then JPL then disseminates that information to the respective agencies that it needs to go to"

Telemetry is the stream of measurements and status data sent from a spacecraft back to Earth. The segment describes how that data is transmitted to JPL and then routed to the appropriate organizations.

Concept

antenna

"it must be, that have the antennas and there is how many of them? 12? So they have, well, they have three stations around the world. They have a station in Australia, a station in Spain and a station in California."

An antenna is like a big receiver that picks up signals from spacecraft. Without antennas, the data from space wouldn’t get back to Earth.

Concept

mission control

"And we got to see mission control, which was everything that you would expect mission control to be. A lot of monitors, a lot of cool colors, very dark room and stuff that was way above our pay grade."

Mission control is the control room on Earth where people keep track of spacecraft. They watch the incoming signals and help make sure the right information gets sent to the right places.

Car

Ford Ranger

"...so they finally found Alan Shepardin. Successful Ranger 7 mission. Yeah. Okay, there we go. All right. Th..."

The Ford Ranger is a pickup truck, meaning it has a cargo bed in the back for carrying things. It’s made for both regular driving and jobs like hauling or towing. People mention it because it’s a common, useful truck.

Concept

superstitions

"And so they figured peanuts just must be lucky. Shockingly unscientific thing for people conducting like space traveling activities to rely on. But hey, superstitions are a real thing."

Sometimes people start believing something “must be lucky” after a coincidence. In reality, luck doesn’t change engineering—real success comes from correct design and testing.

Concept

space simulator (moon landing filmed)

"Seeing the space simulator where the moon landing was filmed was also incredible. Sorry, DC."

A space simulator is a special setup that tries to mimic what it’s like in space. It can be used to practice and test things without actually going to the Moon.

Concept

first control flight on Mars

"...to hear kind of all of the different mini missions that JPL is working on from moonfall to, you know, the program that is going to be the first control flight on Mars and all that sort of thing was just mind boggling."

A “control flight” is an early mission step that proves the spacecraft can be guided and managed correctly. It’s like making sure the mission team can talk to and steer the spacecraft before doing harder tasks.

Concept

JPL

"We only got two and a half hours there, but I get to spend all day there. So a huge shout out to everyone at JPL. And next time that we come back, we'll have more time and we won't bring Tim."

JPL (Jet Propulsion Laboratory) is NASA’s key center for robotic space missions, especially planetary exploration. The episode discusses JPL’s “mini missions” and future Mars flight plans, reflecting its role in mission design and operations.

Concept

Mars Rover

"Cheers. I mean, seeing the, the Mars Rover, you know, up close, it's so cool because they have an exact replica of what's up on Mars."

A Mars Rover is a robot that drives around on Mars to take measurements. Since Mars is tough and you can’t easily fix things, engineers test the rover on Earth so it will work the same way when it’s far away on Mars.

Concept

replication testing (damage the prototype on Earth)

"...if it gets damaged up there, they have to damage the prototype here as well. So the way it has the same things wrong, the same things broken, it works or doesn't work in the same ways."

They test the rover on Earth by recreating the kinds of problems it might face on Mars. That way, when they send instructions from Earth, the rover is more likely to respond correctly even if something breaks.

Concept

space mission command programming

"...all the things that they test before they send the commands up to the Rover are accurate. And I found that hilarious... And then like seeing how they program the drives and like all the, send up all the commands to it..."

The rover doesn’t just “drive”—people write instructions for what it should do. Those instructions are carefully planned and sent up so the rover can carry out tasks safely.

Concept

celestial navigation using the sun as a reference point

"...it does this really cool thing to kind of recalibrate its location where it looks up at the sun and uses the sun as a reference point, right with its camera."

Because Mars doesn’t have GPS like Earth, the rover uses what it can see—like the sun—to figure out where it is. It periodically “re-checks” its position so it stays on track.

Concept

autonomous recalibration interval (every 2-3 weeks)

"...they say every like 300 meters and Alex and I are like, Oh, wow... they're like, no, no, no, it's about every two or three weeks."

They also talk about how frequently the rover has to “reset” its position estimate. It’s not constantly—more like every couple of weeks—so it can save time and energy.

Concept

crawler

"...faster than the shuttle launch pad mover system thing. The crawler. Yeah. The crawler, I'd say one mile an hour..."

A crawler is a slow-moving vehicle used in industrial contexts, often for moving large equipment. Here, the hosts compare its speed to something else they’re discussing, using it as a rough reference point.

Concept

street circuit

"...headed straight into Long Beach, which as we've talked about many times on this show, one of the, one of the flagship races of our season..."

A street circuit means the race uses regular city streets turned into a track for the weekend. Because it’s in a city, the track layout and surfaces can feel tighter and more constrained than a normal race track.

Concept

Long Beach Grand Prix

"...one of the, one of the flagship races of our season, probably the most well known event outside of the 500, 51st running of the Long Beach Grand Prix this year."

The Long Beach Grand Prix is a big open-wheel race held on city streets in Long Beach, California. It’s known for being a major event for fans, not just for the racing itself.

Concept

autograph session

"...the autograph session dude was in, I don't know if you popped up there, but it was indoors this year in like one of the convention hall rooms..."

An autograph session is when fans meet drivers and get items signed. They bring it up to show how packed and energetic the event feels.

Company

Penske Entertainment

"Yeah. And you're starting to see, right? Obviously, the race got, got bought by Penske Entertainment. It's now, you know, in the family..."

Penske Entertainment is the company that took over ownership/management of the Long Beach Grand Prix. The hosts credit its investment with visible upgrades like hospitality changes, new grandstands, fencing, and general presentation.

Concept

F1 race

"...Well, then they show me like an F1 race and like a corner is all one brand."

“F1 race” refers to Formula 1, the top level of open-wheel racing with highly controlled branding and standardized presentation. The hosts contrast F1’s cleaner, more uniform sponsor display at corners with what they perceive as IndyCar’s more cluttered look.

Concept

Indy cars

"Indy cars kind of moving towards that. And that was very evident at Long Beach as well."

“Indy cars” are the open-wheel race cars you see in IndyCar racing. They’re built to go fast on tracks and are shaped to create grip at speed.

Concept

fan experience

"part of everybody and all the money spent to keep making it better and improving the event and improving the fan experience."

In racing, “fan experience” is how enjoyable the event is for people watching. It can include where you can stand, what you can see, and how the weekend is organized.

Concept

qualifying

"after I qualified 18th on Saturday, I was like, I don't even have anything to say. Like, you can't change it. Like it's, it's good."

Qualifying is when drivers try to set the fastest lap before the race. Your qualifying time usually decides where you start on the grid, so it’s a big deal.

Concept

lap time to the hundredth

"Christian and I, over two attempts, did the exact same lap time to the hundredth, and that was just the performance of the car, which is really, really frustrating"

They’re talking about lap times being so close that they match down to 0.01 seconds. That usually means the car felt very consistent and predictable lap after lap.

Concept

street course

"And then you go to Arlington, which was as a teen, the best street course qualifying result across two cars they've ever had, the thing like, it felt like a heap of if I'm quite honest with you."

A street course is a race route that uses roads that feel more like normal streets than a dedicated race track. It can be bumpier or less predictable, so the car has to feel right to help you drive fast.

Topic

Arlington

"when we look at Arlington, which was as a teen, the best street course qualifying result across two cars they've ever had, the thing like, it felt like a heap of if I'm quite honest with you."

They mention Arlington as a place where the team did especially well in qualifying. Different tracks can make the same car feel totally different.

Topic

Laguna

"And then you go to Laguna, where let me, Christian's quote sums it up perfectly. So as we're on the timing stand, yes."

They’re talking about Laguna as a track, and how the car felt there. Track feel can be a clue to why performance does or doesn’t translate into qualifying speed.

Concept

best feeling non-competitive car

"I didn't feel, question mark, I'm happy. I don't understand. And he said, that was the best feeling non-competitive car I've ever driven."

They’re saying the car feels awesome to drive, but it isn’t actually fast enough to beat people. Sometimes a car can be smooth and confidence-building while still lacking the extra grip or balance needed for outright speed.

Concept

use tires vs new tires (practice start on used rubber)

"we were quite strong on the blacks, but on the reds... Saturday morning practice quite good when we started the session on use tires with everyone else. Everyone puts on new and we went a few tenths quicker..."

They’re comparing how the car feels on older tires versus brand-new ones during practice. If the car is better on used tires, it can mean the setup isn’t helping the tires reach their best grip when they’re fresh.

Concept

two-stop race strategy

"for a two-stop race where fuel and tire life is important... So that is why we ended up getting the result that we did... because tire life has not been a strong suit of ours so far this year."

A two-stop strategy is when you plan to pit twice. The goal is to keep the car fast by swapping tires before they get too worn out.

Concept

tire life / tire degradation

"So that is why we ended up getting the result that we did... because tire life has not been a strong suit of ours so far this year. So basically what you're saying is... your tire life, your degradation is much better."

Race tires don’t stay perfect for the whole stint. As they wear, they lose grip, so teams have to balance fast laps with how long the tires will still work.

Concept

peak grip (new tire) vs ultimate lap time

"sometimes when you put on a new tire and you don't get that peak grip, you're not putting the energy into the tire to... generate the heat, generate the grip and that ultimate lap time, single lap pace isn't there."

New tires usually feel best for a short time. If the car isn’t pushing the tire the right way, you won’t get that best grip, so your fastest lap won’t show up—even if the tire still lasts longer.

Concept

mandatory two soft tire stint rule

"a two-stop race with a mandatory two soft tire stint rule, which is so dumb at this point."

This is a race rule that forces teams to run soft tires in two separate stints. It limits how teams can choose their strategy, even if another approach might be faster.

Term

Firestone

"asking Firestone to maybe make that tire a little bit more robust, maybe what too far on the robustness of the soft and, and mix with this rule"

Firestone makes the tires used in the race. If teams ask for a “more robust” tire, they mean a tire that lasts longer and handles tougher conditions without falling apart.

Term

fast six

"Few things on all of that. First of all, fast six, back to the single car qualifying, but with a new rule, new, new format in that the fastest driver from Q2 got to pick which position they wanted to go in."

“Fast six” is a qualifying setup where only the quickest drivers get into a final group. The twist is that the fastest driver can choose where they start, so it becomes part of the strategy, not just speed.

Concept

outlier

"I would imagine that Long Beach is probably, is going to be more of an outlier. So I wouldn't think that people would take too much of a different approach in Detroit."

“Outlier” here means Long Beach behaves differently from Arlington in a way that stands out from the usual pattern. The hosts attribute that difference to conditions like temperature and track layout, which can change tire performance and lap-time consistency.

Concept

ambient related

"I think it's, I have a feeling it's a little bit ambient related, because it's definitely warmer in Long Beach than it was in Arlington. It was cool. It was cooler."

“Ambient related” means the weather around the track matters. Temperature can change how the tires warm up and how much grip you get.

Concept

V max

"But they also generate energy at the same time because you're at V max and the sidewall is compressing. So I don't know, especially there because you're like, we signing straight straight, right?"

“V max” just means the car’s top speed on that part of the track. At that speed, the tires are working hard, and the tire sidewall flexes as the car loads the tire, which affects how the car grips.

Term

sidewall is compressing

"But they also generate energy at the same time because you're at V max and the sidewall is compressing. So I don't know, especially there because you're like, we signing straight straight, right?"

The tire’s sidewall isn’t rigid—it flexes when the car loads the tire. That flexing changes how the tire contacts the road, which affects grip and feel.

Term

Q2

"...you also don't want to penalize the driver that was fastest in Q2 by making them go last if that is a disadvantage."

Q2 is one of the qualifying rounds where drivers try to set their best lap time. If you’re fastest in Q2, you’ve earned a strong grid position, and the rules decide how that translates to where you start the race.

Topic

announced the order live on TV

"So putting it into the hands of the teams, I thought was cool. The fact that we announced the order live on TV and that's how you find out what the order is. I thought was cool."

They’re saying the starting order was revealed live during the TV broadcast. That’s different from waiting for a printed result, and it changes how viewers follow what’s happening.

Concept

hairpin

"...green throne with six cars on the front straight and then a 14 second gap to for some reason will hang it on for dear life out of the hairpin?"

A hairpin is a super tight turn. Exiting it well is crucial because you need good traction to accelerate back up the track.

Topic

race delay and TV window strategy

"...and then a 14 second gap... I would imagine because the race was already delayed and the fox was probably putting the pressure on... That's usually what happens when there's a TV window... We were working minutes delayed. That used to be a strategy..."

They’re talking about how delays and TV timing can affect race strategy. If the broadcast needs a certain schedule, teams may end up behaving differently than they would in a perfectly timed race.

Concept

fuel number

"...set the tone for what was then an exceedingly dull race of everybody driving around to a fuel number. So we need to adjust... stint lengths or something tires..."

Racing teams figure out how much fuel they need to finish. If everyone is “driving around to a fuel number,” they’re going slower or smoother to make sure they don’t waste fuel and still reach the finish.

Concept

stint lengths

"So we need to adjust, I don't know, stint lengths or something tires, all sorts of things to make that particular event as a race better."

A “stint” is the time a driver spends before the next pit stop. Changing stint length means deciding whether to pit earlier or later, which can strongly affect who has the advantage.

Concept

yellow flag stop

"...And then the yellow comes out. So now it's a yellow flag stop. And the 10 crew just outgunned the 60 crew by a fraction."

A yellow flag means the race is slowed down because of something on track. If you pit during that time, you can often lose less time than pitting under normal racing speed.

Concept

restart

"Do you want to know it was so upsetting? Like when that restart or when that yellow came, and it was like, all right, now everyone's on the same strategy. Everyone's got new boots."

A restart is when the race goes back to normal speed after a caution. Everyone has to line up and get going again, and it can change who has the advantage.

Concept

new boots

"...it was like, all right, now everyone's on the same strategy. Everyone's got new boots."

“New boots” just means brand-new tires. New tires usually give better traction, so cars can go faster right after the pit stop.

Term

willpower penalty

"There are two things I want to just hear your guys take on from the race. The willpower penalty for running over the pick guys foot pit lane."

In IndyCar, “willpower” is a resource the driver earns and can use during the race. If a team breaks a rule, race control can apply a willpower penalty, which reduces that resource and can hurt strategy.

Concept

pit lane

"Okay. Cause I thought there was some, there was some discourse online about having to get out of the way of Pato's car and make, no. Okay. It's just, it's a tough pit lane, right? It is a very tough pit lane."

The pit lane is where the cars come in for service. Because it’s crowded and cars are moving through a tight space, mistakes can be dangerous and can trigger penalties.

Term

push to pass

"sometimes they'll let it go. But at lap 61, the push to pass was available from the green ... When the whole push to pass thing happened last year, not last year, two years ago..."

In IndyCar, “push to pass” is a button that gives the driver a short burst of extra power to help them pass. It’s meant to be used only when the rules say it’s allowed, so if it’s available at the wrong time, it can affect fairness.

Concept

software modifications

"Later on when it was all confirmed that there was modifications to the software by the team that was a less, that was known. That was a less"

They’re talking about changes made to the car’s computer software. That software can control when the extra-power button works, so updates can be used to make sure it follows the rules.

Term

DRS detection zone

"In F1, there is alerts that happen when you are in a DRS detection zone. There's a tone. And then there's also a tone and a light that when the DRS is active..."

DRS is a system in Formula 1 that helps cars go faster by reducing drag. The “detection zone” is a part of the track where the car checks whether you’re in the right spot to use it, and then the driver gets signals.

Concept

rules written / line between within their right vs against the rules

"...One was a failure on IndyCar's time in scoring part that people took advantage of... In some ways, they're within their right. In some ways, it's against the rules... I'd be interested to see how the rules written... push to pass is not active for the first lap..."

They’re talking about how the exact wording of the rules matters. Sometimes teams can do something that seems sketchy, but it’s only legal or illegal depending on what the rule actually says.

Concept

fundamental programming of an IndyCar

"...the other situation... was an intentional change of the fundamental programming of an IndyCar. So... One was on IndyCar. One was on a team."

“Fundamental programming” refers to core software logic in the car or its control systems—such as how and when driver-boost features are enabled. Changing that programming can alter race behavior and strategy, which is why it can be contentious if it’s intentional or not aligned with the rules.

Concept

penalty worthy

"Ferrucci situation, what they've actually penalized one of the cars they weren't on the button. Is that really penalty worthy? I don't know. I it'd be."

They’re asking: if a driver makes a mistake and officials penalize them, is that penalty actually fair? They’re also wondering whether the penalty changed anything important in the race results.

Concept

independent officiating board

"the IOB that is partly part or that a former guest was is on is on Ray Evernham, the independent officiating board has finally picked their managing director of IndyCar, Scott Elkin."

They’re talking about a group that helps make race decisions in a more neutral way. The idea is that if the board is independent, it can help ensure penalties and technical calls are handled fairly.

Concept

IOB

"the IOB that is partly part or that a former guest was is on is on Ray Evernham, the independent officiating board has finally picked their managing director of IndyCar, Scott Elkin."

IOB is the short form the hosts are using for the independent officiating board. It’s the group involved in making sure race officiating is handled properly.

Company

Scott Elkin

"the independent officiating board has finally picked their managing director of IndyCar, Scott Elkin. So a member of the paddock of many different paddocks, lots of experience across many different series."

Scott Elkin is being named to a top IndyCar leadership job. The hosts say he’ll be the main person overseeing decisions and staffing-related matters going forward.

Topic

Charlotte

"Well, James, I am in day two of a two day trip to Charlotte. [2915.5s] And then we are on track next week for IndyCar..."

Charlotte is a well-known racing city in the U.S. The hosts are just saying one of them is traveling there for non-racing reasons.

Topic

IndyCar open test

"Yes, they are open test next week. And then the weekend after [2928.7s] that following weekend will be Miami Grand Prix."

An open test is basically a practice day for racing teams before the real weekend. They use it to try changes and learn what the car feels like.

Topic

Miami Grand Prix

"And then the weekend after [2928.7s] that following weekend will be Miami Grand Prix. And then we're into May official."

The Miami Grand Prix is a big Formula 1 race in Miami. It’s held on city streets, so it’s a high-profile event on the racing schedule.

1 cars featured

Request an Explanation

Heard something you'd like explained? We'll add it to this episode.

Sign in to request explanations for terms you heard.

Want to learn more?

Browse our glossary for plain-English explanations of automotive terms, jargon, and concepts.

Explore Terms

Help improve this episode

See something that's not quite right? Our annotations are AI-generated and can sometimes miss the mark. Click the flag icon on any annotation to suggest a correction.

Report incorrect info
Suggest better explanations
Flag missing cars