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Pirelli
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PCA
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VIN
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Car
Chevrolet Corvettes
The Chevrolet Corvette is a famous American sports car that's known for being fast and stylish. It's been around for many years and is popular among car enthusiasts.
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Porsche 356
The Porsche 356 is an early sports car made by Porsche. It's famous for being one of the first cars the company produced and is loved by car collectors.
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concourse
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Porsche Targa
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Porsche 912
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Safari rally cars
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Porsche 944
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Porsche 914
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Porsche 912E
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repainted
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Porsche 911
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Auto Atlanta
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soft window Targa
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air-cooled
Air-cooled engines are cooled by air instead of liquid. This was common in older Porsche cars, like the 911, before they started using liquid cooling systems.
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Mercedes-Benz 356 Sc
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Porsche 911 GT2 RS
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991.2
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low mileage
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magnesium wheels
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online auction
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Porsche 981.2 GT
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twin turbo
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paint to sample
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Porsche Cayenne
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six-speed manual
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$51,000
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Dodge Viper
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Porsche Cayman
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IMS
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WEC
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McLaren
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Welcome to the Porsche Club Insider, your one stop for all things Porsche and PCA.
Here's your host, Vu Gwin, and the Insider Crew.
Welcome everyone to a Porsche Club Insider Episode 190.
We are in a not so usual location, Manny.
This is where the Beach Boys played.
In this hall?
Yes.
Very true.
And the polar opposite is us.
They were in the summer.
We do have a lot, for those of you that are just listening and not watching on YouTube,
we have a live audience in front of us, so the pressure is on.
We're here at the sixth annual Boardwalk Reunion in Ocean City, New Jersey, and we're
going to, we have some special guests, but I want to take care of a few housekeeping
things here.
I want to thank our presenting sponsor, Pirelli, Pirelli Tires, have to achieve the highest levels
of performance, safety, noiselessness, and grip on the road surface, innovative tires that
satisfy even the most specific mobility needs of the end consumer.
And I thank all of you that are listening.
I want to thank all of you that are present.
If you aren't currently a PCA member, everyone here, PCA members, of course, hopefully
they heard that on the mic, that the strength of the audience is magnificent.
But if you're not a PCA member, grab your VIN, head to PCA.org, and for those of you that
are looking for a Porsche, you could buy one off the Boardwalk, because I saw a couple of
for sale signs, but we also have the Test Drive program, head to PCA.org and get yourself
set up.
As far as our guests, we're going to do a two-parter for this episode.
First, we're going to have the founders of the Boardwalk Reunion, Bob Gutierre
and Ellen Beck.
Round of applause for being here.
I will say that Bob was three years ago on our 10th episode, and here we are at 190.
It's amazing.
Wow.
Yeah, it took it that long for him to come back.
Wow.
The ratings, the ratings were that good.
And then, exactly, all because of you, Bob, all because of you.
And then our second session on this episode will be with returning for the third time,
David Whitlock, Stuckart Market Letter.
David, thank you for being here.
Yeah.
So, you know, isn't it kind of weird that we get this big table?
To me, it's very strange with an audience, because those who've never watched this show
on YouTube, it's just three or four of us in a little room, and I have to tend to
see to forget that this is going to be broadcast to everyone.
So it's just like, boo, Damon and I, sometimes Rob says, just talking, just like I got
a cart and coffee, and sometimes things have to get edited out, because we forget
that.
So, if you're all being here, Manny's going to stay within the guardrails, because when
you're normally not here.
I'd heard of I can whisper like this.
I'm like, Damon, you're going to need to cut out right around one minute, 30 seconds.
I think, is this the first time, Roxanne, you've ever watched this record?
Wow, that's good.
Oh, are you nervous that your wife is watching?
Early on, I didn't think anybody really listened to the podcast.
And I think it was like the 9th or 10th episode, I was commenting about someone's
cooking that we went to a party, and we found ourselves in a room with that
person, and my son says, hey, let's show Pop Pop on the TV, and he brings up that
podcast, and she's looking at me, and then it hit me, I talk about this person's
cooking in the show.
And that is why I stay right in between the guardrails, Manny, and I warn that
you do too, because oftentimes you say Porsche things, and I have to remind you
that Porsche also listens to our podcast.
Yes, that was also intimidating when they told us that they listen, and
sometimes they get very nervous because they told us things and we come very
close to revealing, but we don't, but we don't.
So thank you both.
I know this is a busy day for you.
You've been up here at least a couple of days.
I know you were up this morning before the sun came up.
We brought up a few cars onto the boards.
Let's talk about what was the inspiration for having Porsche's.
I won't mention the number, because I'll let you do that, to have Porsche's on
the boardwalk here in Ocean City, New Jersey.
Well, it goes back to my family's history with Ocean City.
I'm from North New Jersey, and my family has been vacationing here for
almost seven decades.
So there's been six or seven generations of Gootyards that have been
coming to Ocean City for all these many years.
And when Ellen and I were taking our children here back like 20 years
ago or so when they were very young, we happened to see at one point in time
the Corvettes coming up on the boardwalk.
And that really was the sea that was planted between Ellen and I as we
discussed what would make sense for a Porsche related event on the boardwalk.
Because I mean the Corvettes were having a great time, it's a great venue.
But they're not Porsche's.
But they're not Porsche's.
So we wanted, we wanted-
I'll have to say, Ellen, we love Corvettes too.
So now we don't get the hate mail.
Ellen, we don't want to get the hate mail.
We do, as an aside, the Corvettes and their organization has been
wonderful in supporting this event and giving us lessons learned and over the year.
So we've had a very good relationship with the Corvettes.
And we've learned a lot from them.
And in turn they've learned some things from us as well.
But they've been coming for about, oh my gosh, almost 50 years here.
So I gotta believe other car clubs that see Corvette or
now see the Porsche Club being on the boards.
How many other makes or models like do what we do here?
So the Ocean City is a very car friendly boardwalk.
They have at least as far as I'm aware at least five shows during the year.
The first show is actually a new show that they started in May of this year.
And this is a hot rod new car show for all cars 1989 and newer.
So that's in May.
They have another one in June, and that's more of a street ride show.
And then because of the summer season, it's almost impossible to have a car show here
during the summer months.
But then in the fall they start easing into the car season again.
So the first car shows that occur are the weekend after Labor Day.
And they have a street ride and classic car show here on Saturday after
Labor Day, and then the Corvette's traditional date is the Sunday right after that.
So it's a Sunday after Labor Day.
So it's easy to say, okay, we see what they're doing.
We would like to do the same thing like Ellen, what's it like to get?
How do you find the person to say, we would like to do this too?
Do you call the mayor or who do you call?
Ghostbusters.
Ghostbusters.
So the city is extremely welcoming.
And so we work with lots of different people in different arenas.
The police department supports us and the city tourism and all of the people in the city,
including here at the music peer, the AV department, and all of the staff that support us.
And it's really been an extremely successful relationship.
And they're very happy to have us here, and we're very happy to come here.
Yeah, and over the years, as this event has grown and the reputation of the Porsche Club,
our members here being so kind and welcoming to the city as well.
I mean, we're seeing more and more where the city's leadership, the council members,
and even the mayor recognize the significance of our event.
And they constantly express their appreciation for our support.
So it's a great mission.
We support locally.
We buy our apparel right here at Jilly's T-shirt, T-shirts right on the boardwalk.
And they ship it in for us and take care of it.
And by the way, thank you for supporting our event.
I'm rocking it.
I'm trying to look a little younger by wearing a hoodie.
I don't think Manny's ever seen me in a hoodie.
I don't normally wear a hoodie.
Hopefully I look a little younger.
I thought you had to get your hair messed up when you put it on.
That's why you never wear one.
I messed up my hair.
That's not a big no-no.
So one of the things that we like to support the local businesses,
and it's become, over the years, now a weekend event.
And the end of the traditional end of the season
is the Columbus Day weekend, which was a week ago.
And so our event, single-handedly, has extended the season.
And you'll notice that all the shops are open for us.
And we sold out three different hotels.
We had room blocks at three different hotels.
And the Scarborough Inn hosts a party
on their big porch for us on Friday night.
And then the Flanders Hotel, we have 240-some-odd people
for the banquet tonight.
And so we really bring a lot to the community.
And they do a lot for us as well.
Now the first one, this is a sixth one.
The first one, I believe, it was tied together
with 356 registries.
So we're not actually counting that as a board?
No, we don't count that.
We don't count that one?
We don't count that as a board for you.
Let it be known that I brought up the fact that it was 356.
And I was very proud of it.
That's like the stepchild of it.
The start of it all.
We don't want to call the stepchild.
It was not a stepchild.
So within the guardrails, outside of the guardrails.
When I asked you about it, you made a face.
You were giving a shout out to Corvette.
And now come on, what about 356?
Yeah, that's what I am.
I'm giving a shout out.
I recognize the first one was with 356.
I think the first one was really the registry.
Could you guys do that, right?
So when you say six, that doesn't count that first one?
No, it does not.
Oh, so I was counting them.
You know, why?
Because it rained.
That's why they don't want to run it for it.
That was a tough one.
You're killing me.
So this is actually the seventh boardwalk event
that Ellen and I have done.
The first boardwalk event was the 2018 356 holiday.
So we wanted to start with baby steps.
And we knew a holiday would be just
about the right size for car control and management.
It's a four day event.
It's a four day event.
So we orchestrated the four day event in and around Ocean City,
Ocean City events to include two events on the boardwalk.
One was a parade the Friday night before the actual concourse.
So in 2018, the 356 registry had the event here on the boards.
But it was a full-fledged concourse as well.
Yeah, so that was not a boardwalk reunion.
No, but we had so many PCAers want to see the event
because it was so unique having porches on the boards
that we knew based upon all the interests and all the questions
about it that we were going to come back the following year
and start boardwalk reunion in 2019.
And how many cars were there that first year?
About 150 some odd?
For the registry, it was 150 or so.
150 cars.
And today we have how many cars?
350 cars.
350 cars.
Exactly.
That's incredible.
Congratulations.
Wow.
Thanks.
So there's a theme to the, there's a few cars in the middle here.
Yes.
So we typically do a commemorative theme every year
just to keep interest from unique special interest groups.
We feel we want to address a lot of the hobbyists out there
who have a love for a particular car.
So it goes back to PCA's idea of having registries.
And so for every year we have a commemorative car
or a commemorative model or design.
So this year is the 60th anniversary
of Porsche's target design.
And it's also the 60th anniversary of Porsche's 912.
So we-
I was going to ask because there was a target, target,
target 1912.
Correct.
So we have both, we are celebrating-
But we have a 912 target.
And we even have a, yeah.
So Jeff Miller from Northern New Jersey Region
brought his 69, 912 target, which is a gorgeous car.
I think this is one of the first major public debuts
for that car.
But the point is, is that we're celebrating
both of these models this year as an anniversary type deal.
Next year, we're going to go with a trend that we see
and we really like.
And I think that it's going to resonate
with a lot of people because it's so unusual.
So next year, we're going to celebrate
and have the Safari rally cars come out.
So we're going to have Safari rally cars.
So that's an insider tip here.
That's the first time you're announcing this for next year?
Well, it's the first time it's been announced,
but we have disclosed this on the internet
that we are going to be celebrating Safari and rally cars.
We actually have one of our volunteers,
staff members, Andrew Toth, building a 944 rally car
just for next year's event.
Is there any chance that maybe one or two of them
will end up in the sand?
Like we could actually take a photo of a rally car in the sand?
So we've asked that question of Ocean City.
That would be so cool.
Yes, I know, but that's one thing that they don't do.
They don't put any cars on the board.
On the sand.
But we have a year to work it.
Or you could put the sand on the board.
We could put it back.
Put it back when you're done.
I have to say, though, you're missing
the most important target.
And I was my concern, the 914.
And that has a target pop and a target bar.
Why was it discriminated?
I do not know.
So this.
Well, leave it there.
Well, leave it there.
Well, everybody have their popcorn.
Are you ready for this discussion?
So it was a whole year from.
Because I put my target top in my trunk.
So we did celebrate Manuel, the 914, in 2019.
Oh, we celebrated other cars, too.
No, we only celebrated the 914.
You know what you guys will notice?
This is the next year will be the first year
that he doesn't have a car that qualifies.
I think Bob and Ellen own like 14 cars.
Every year, there was a car that was qualified.
So we do not do that.
Remember wrong.
Sir, we do not own it.
You own a 912e or not?
We do own a 912e.
But it's not here.
Sadly enough, we do not have a 912e on the boardwalk today.
I wish we would have, but it just didn't work out.
It was a special 912e.
I'm going to miss it because they're getting it repainted.
Let's see, is it the dander of 912e?
There was the one where the paint
kept on flaking off.
Yes, exactly.
And at one point, it looked like the state of Vermont.
But then if you hit it, a certain way, the paint
would fall off.
And then it looked like.
State of Texas now.
It's pretty big.
How, boo, how did we get to talking about boardwalk
reunion, detrashing my 912e?
How do we do that?
Now you guys, keeping this episode to an hour
is very difficult for me because he goes off
on these tangents and I have to reel him back in.
Reel him all back in.
All right, so the beauty of really for this event
is I have, and for Manny, I have zero responsibilities.
And I know it takes a team of people
to pull this all together.
And I know as an attendee, even though it's
a day event, you have what, 70 volunteers?
Yes, between 65 and 70.
And you started a year ago on planning this.
Oh, well, it just keeps going, I mean, year after year.
But we have a lot of repeat volunteers.
And I have to give a shout out because it's like we set
the wheel in motion and all the volunteers do their thing.
And it all comes together.
What's really interesting and exciting
is that this is a Zone 1 and Zone 2 combined event.
So it's supported by volunteers from almost every region
in Zone 1 and Zone 2.
Yeah, I was going to say, yes.
So thank you very much.
I mean, it's absolutely unique in that we're,
if you look at the PCA geography,
we're at a nexus point for Zone 1 and Zone 2 geography.
I mean, you've got across the river,
you've got Shottenbaum.
I'm smiling Manny because he's getting into military mode.
You've got reason to order.
The borders are here.
We're going to attack from the south.
The south of that is Delaware, but then on Jersey side,
you've got Shottenbaum.
I can't get anywhere.
Shottenbaum in the New Jersey region and Jersey Shore.
Yeah.
So it's really cool that this is really
where all the zones come in.
Both zones come again.
You have right there volunteers that come
from across the country.
Yes, we do.
They fly in, right?
Yes, we do.
We have folks from Michigan.
We have folks from Ohio.
What's the furthest?
The furthest volunteer we have is New Mexico.
So Liz Shaw.
Liz Grove?
No, Liz Fluent.
Fluent, OK.
Liz Shaw, who's the new National Awards Chair,
flies in every year to support this event.
But we also have a lot of people driving.
So we've had cars drive as far from far south as Florida,
as far north as New Hampshire and Maine.
And Canada.
And Canada as well.
And Canada as well.
And we have cars far west of St. Louis, Missouri.
It's interesting, the car from St. Louis, Missouri,
one of the targets right out here, is owned by Miles Cramer.
Miles lives in St. Louis.
But he is a 1969 graduate of Ocean City High School.
The high school here?
Yes, right over there.
Oh, very cool.
Yeah.
Wow.
So this morning, what was impressive
while you're trying to make this,
I know it's like your thing.
I know we have a U-Haul truck.
And heaven forbid you get a PA
and speak over a PA.
But standing on top of a U-Haul, yelling at the top of your lungs
seems much more appropriate.
But it is your thing.
It's a thing.
And it works.
When you ask how many people are here for the first time,
that was a significant number of people.
Yeah.
Very cool.
Very exciting.
Very cool.
We do have, and we really want to thank, obviously,
our first timers.
But we have so many people that come back year after year
because they enjoy the event so much.
So we're very, very, very, very happy and humble
to have so many people come back year after year.
It's just wonderful.
And ask to volunteer.
And go ahead.
And volunteer too.
Yeah, they ask to volunteer.
Like Gregory Brown, I think he said
he was volunteering for next year.
Right, Gregory?
Yes.
Yes.
Ooh.
Capacity-wise, you said you have 350 cars here.
The boardwalk is very long.
Yes.
And I didn't think it could fit 350.
But I think you probably could fit a couple more.
Is there a capacity limit?
So if you do the math, and Andrew Becktold,
who is a local resident here, and is a Shottenbaum member,
is an architect.
So he does all of our math for us.
And he has tables and spacing geometry.
And he's determined that we can probably have about 450 cars
here.
450.
Yes, but the issue of hand, of course,
is we don't necessarily have all the room for 450 cars.
For staging.
For staging, but we could probably
make 400 cars easily work.
So can I also congratulate you?
I know this year it was different for staging,
because typically we're out at the airport, which
is plenty of space.
And then you take a little stroll,
and then come up on the boardwalk.
And this year it was different.
And we were closer.
Yes, so this year was the first year
of the six times we've done it,
where they've asked us to stage
in the Fifth Street parking lot.
Previously we were at the Municipal Airport.
The city told us, I think in August,
that the airport would be under construction
and that we would have to move to the Fifth Street lot.
So we had, this is a brand new procedure for us.
So we learned a lot this year.
And we watched the Corvettes.
The Corvettes do this as well.
So again, we want to extend out our thanks to the Corvettes.
But we also have our own unique requirements too.
So this was a very much a building year for us
and a learning year because of the Fifth Street lot
and also the fact that we're coming down
opposite of the board.
Right, the cars are all facing the different way.
So what kind of meltdown did you have
when you got that news in August?
We had some conversations.
We did have some conversations, yes.
So because being, hanging out with,
I've known Bob and Ellen forever,
but because my wife does actually the volunteering
at this time, I just tag along as a guest.
As a plus one.
As a plus one, but I get to hang out.
And nothing, the only thing better
than not having any responsibility
is hanging out with people that do have responsibility.
Behind the curtain.
I was watching Bob meltdown over the idea
of fitting 375 cars into this tiny little parking lot.
And we must have walked in a parking lot three times,
I think, and staring at it, hoping that would get bigger
the longer we stared at it.
And of course it didn't change size.
And at the time there was two trailers
and about 18 cars scattered that weren't ours.
So he was starting to get very stressed out.
And I kept on saying, I'm the one with high blood pressure.
I'm relaxing.
You're the one who's ready to melt down.
It all worked out.
No, to the credit to the city, and the police department,
I want to give them a shout out.
They cleared out the entire lot.
There was trailers and cars.
But when we got there at six o'clock this morning,
it was completely clear.
So you're saying that Officer Carl was right.
He was right.
And so the other thing too is I
want to give a shout out to all of our parkers
and our volunteers and you two.
So I'm the liaison with Officer Carl.
You think you would have learned this morning
because someone had to remind him this morning to thank you.
They're yelling out, don't you have a co-chair?
So for next year, is there an option between the airport
or there, or are we going back to the airport?
I think we're going to be back at Fifth Street
lot for the foreseeable future.
We're going to be back here?
Back at the Fifth Street lot party.
I think it's better.
Who thinks it's better?
I thought this one was better.
Thank you.
Right?
I thought we were going to close again.
All we need is like a pastry truck and a coffee truck.
Well, that's in the works.
So yes, that is actually in the works.
So again, for those of you who came,
and I think most of us are registered here,
we couldn't get any sort of concession service
because the city was all hands on deck
because of the beach rebuilding and the recovery.
So we couldn't, their staff simply wasn't available.
So we really appreciate everybody getting breakfast
ahead of time.
Hopefully next year we will have either the concession stand
worked out, or Ellen, of course, is going
to have food trucks and a few other things.
Holiday coffee.
Holiday coffee.
They'll be here.
They'll be here next year.
I've got to say to people listening who are not
from around here to watch you on YouTube,
this event has no car judging.
It's not a judge car show.
It's simply like a cars and coffee in the afternoon
on the boards.
You park the cars, and you walk around and look at them.
You can sit in your car all day if you want,
or you can just walk around and look at other cars.
But there's no trophies.
There's no teams and white coats coming to your cars.
That's half truth, because if you're walking with Manny,
he's judging you.
He's judging your car.
He's judging your wheels.
He's judging how well you wipe your car down.
There's judging all right.
Just no awards that go with it.
So we do have people out there right now on sling chairs
and just hanging out on the boardwalk and enjoying the sun.
I mean, we have people walking the beaches.
We have people shopping on the boardwalk.
I have a friend who once went into one
of the shops and bought a beach towel for $5 on sale.
A very good friend.
And she went out and took a little nap on the beach
while during the event, and was very refreshed and happy.
And so some people go shopping.
Some people eat.
There's plenty of things to do.
We're talking about Roxanne.
Yes, yes.
I'm looking around because for the first time,
I don't know if she's in here,
but for the first time I've seen on boardwalk,
actually at any car show, there
was a lady in her 911.
She had her phone propped up on the steering wheel
watching Netflix.
But I think she fell asleep while watching Netflix.
So her head was on the side door.
And I'm like, should I check if she's OK?
She wiggled till she's all right.
I thought that was a horn that I heard.
But people are just chill.
I mean, it's so spiritual.
One of the nice things about this time of year
at the Jersey Shore is the weather is usually spectacular.
And we've been very blessed with some great days
here on the boardwalk like this one, where it's warm
and pleasant.
I mean, a lot of us are out in t-shirts and shorts.
Today and it's 18 October.
And so, I mean, you can have almost like a summer day
experience here at Ocean City.
And that's why I think so many people keep coming back.
I know it's stressful for you because the one thing you cannot
control is the weather.
Yes.
But for this event, what would you
say is also the next big thing that you
have to wrangle every year?
Like what else is that the folks that are attending
don't really know that you have to manage working
with the police or working?
Well, we have four volunteer photographers
here today, all Porsche Club members.
And they are taking video.
We always, Qibis Reineke does a walkthrough video.
And he starts at one end and walks all the way down.
And so then speeds it up.
And we'll be showing that at the banquet tonight.
And the other photographers are all taking lots of photos.
And so we put up a gallery.
They submit the photos.
And on our website, we have a gallery.
And so it'll take the next week or two
to assemble those and get those posted.
But people can go and find lots of memories.
And we're showing some photos tonight also at the banquet.
And so updating the website and getting those photos,
that's the next immediate thing for me, anyway.
Now, is that the only way you see it?
Because I know when it's your own event
and you're buried looking at fires to put out so on
and so forth, have you been able to take some of it
in?
Have you seen a couple of cars that you say,
this is definitely my favorite?
Or what memorable cars have you seen today?
To be honest, we don't have time really to walk the whole thing.
I knew that was going to be the case.
Yeah, right, exactly.
You'll see it later when you're looking at the photos.
There are some nice volunteers out at the merchandise table
and the welcome table while I'm sitting here
and talking to you all.
So everybody plays a part.
And all the volunteers are doing a great job.
We typically try to, when everything settles down,
by the music here, Ellen and I typically
like to troop the line, so to speak,
and just walk from one end to the boardwalk to another.
But that takes a good 45 minutes to an hour to do it.
Because the boardwalk with the cars
is literally 1.3 miles long.
So it's an incredible display of cars.
I mean, if you go out there and walk both,
troop the line, going all the way down the 14th Street
and back, there are some incredible cars out there.
Did you say troop to line?
Troop to line, it's a military expression, yes.
Troop to line.
Troop to line, troop to line.
Everyone here, I know your audience,
listening audience can't see it, but on your way out,
you should take a look at the very special 9-11-R
that's parked out right outside the music pier.
And there's a QR code on there, so you
can read about the history of it.
It's a 1967, I believe.
And it's a one of 20 ever made.
So we get some very, very special cars.
I also want to make sure that we shout out
the 356 registry.
I mean, we had their first event here,
but the 356 registry continues to support this event.
And this year, we probably had more cars, more 356s here,
since the actual 356 all day.
So great turnout of 356s today to include a 1962 twin girl
roaster, which is in a phenomenally rare car.
And this car is just exquisite.
It's just literally up the boardwalk.
So a shout out to the 356 registry
and some of the great 356s that are here as well.
Did you drive your car up on the board?
Yes, for the registry holiday, we had both of them.
No, no, I'm talking about today.
Yes, we drove up one of our cars, and it was not a target.
What was it?
It was not.
Tell us what it is.
So this year, we drove up a 1988 944 Turbo S Silver Rose.
Oh, your Silver Rose car?
Silver Rose is here, yes.
I wish I could say it was an award winning,
but we got killed in the rally.
Oh, thanks to you.
It's just a big challenge, and thanks to me.
By Ellen and my wife, who ended up winning the entire event.
Number one.
Very nice, well done.
I wish we could say we were at least second place,
but we were more like 15th place.
Like more way down.
Well, I know you're getting antsy, because there's
a lot of stuff going on out there, but I would love it
if the audience could give them a round of applause
for doing a wonderful job with Boardwalk Reunion.
For those that can't see, they're standing up
in the crowd, standing ovation for these two,
and to all of your volunteers.
Ellen, you're going to step off.
I'm going to thank our corporate sponsor, and David.
David's going to take a seat next to me.
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I am begging anyone that is affiliated
with any kind of medical erectile dysfunction company.
We want a advertiser for that,
just so I can hear him read that.
I'm begging.
The things that he wishes for.
There's any listeners.
Again, inside the guardrails, Manny.
Inside the guardrails.
Every time he reads, I'll be able to land out.
This is what I'm faced with every week of my life.
It's going to be like when he reads Viagra.
That would be so cool.
But that much enthusiasm.
And on that note, David Whitlock,
Stuka Market Letter, welcome.
I was going off.
Welcome, sir, welcome, welcome.
All right.
What's going on with you?
Well, it's great to be back.
Bob and Ellen put on a heck of a show.
Here's my second year at the Boardwalk reunion.
I used to say it was slept on, but with 350 cars,
it is no longer slept on.
There's a lot of cars out there on the Boardwalk.
A lot of good stuff.
So everyone's probably wondering what's the market been
like, and you are the one, the statistician.
I can tell you that, because I just
got finished compiling all of September's data.
And it was a September to remember.
Really?
All right.
Get your microphone a little closer.
Sorry, there we go.
So typically, September is the month
the market goes to sleep after Monterey.
So 2024, the sell-through rate.
So about 650 cars crossed the block in 2024.
Only 63% of them sold for about $29 million in change.
This September, 75% of the cars sold.
Same number, 650-some-odd cars for $44 million.
It was ridiculous.
OK, and there's no big crazy sales.
Like Monterey is over.
Now we usually have to wait a few months for a good catalog
sale.
But we just saw a ton of excellent cars hit the market.
People are still hungry for the best examples
of cars out there.
And today, I brought a few examples for you.
Just kind of going with the theme, sticking with Targas
and 9-12s.
I see you have a 67 soft window Targa.
I do.
67 9-11S soft window Targa.
So I want to start with that market,
because that's the original, short-wheel-based,
2-liter Targas when they first came out.
And five or so years ago, these
were $300,000 to $400,000 cars.
And this market has softened a bit.
But we've seen some really nice cars come up recently,
like the one I have up here.
This car recently sold for $215,000,
which is strong in today's market.
Because right now, our best cars are
in that $200,000 to $300,000 range of the short-wheel-based
Targas.
For the S or just any of them?
For the S. So the S always brings the money.
The soft windows bring the money as well.
But we've seen the highest sale over the last few years
has been like $302,000, whereas the lowest sale five years
goes $288,000.
So that's one market that has seen a little bit of the steam
come out of it.
But there's other Targas that are taking off.
So we talked before last time I was on the podcast.
I got to shake this guy awake again
about the next generation of collectors coming through.
And we've seen 993 Targas just continue to do extremely well
on the market.
So five years ago, your average 993 Targo
was selling for $60,000 top of the market for a 993 Targo
with a manual was about $84,000.
Now, five years on, the average is $105,000.
We've seen cars just shy of $175,000.
And they made about 4,693 Targas, but only about 1,400
of those were manual transmissions.
Can I take a little side trip here?
So Mani, remember that 993C4S that we saw that was in green
at the first auction?
He and I probably would have agreed on that's probably
a regular coupe.
And we probably said $150, $160,000.
It was like, was it three and a quarter?
We realized we're not in this pricing game.
We were really all.
David, how did we get it so wrong?
When did a 993C4S in green go to over $300,000?
In the last two years.
2022, things got a little crazy.
That's nutty.
Some cars have come down since then.
But the last of the generation air-cooled
cars still remain strong.
That's absolutely nutty.
Even Tiptronic Targas or 993 Targas are doing well, too.
Do you think the 993 Targa, because to me,
that's almost such a specialized market of someone
who wants a Targa.
And it's not even a traditional Targa for those that don't know.
It's a sliding greenhouse sunroof.
Exactly, a sliding roof car, which Porsche
did for 993, 996, and 997.
Do you think, is it new people coming to the Porsche market
buying this?
Because 993 is usually the sweet spot, is the coupe,
the hard top.
And while the Targa has a look of a coupe, to the purest,
it's not a coupe.
I think it's people chasing the numbers.
So chasing those 1,400 manual cars
versus the tens of thousands of coupes they sold.
Now, if you look at a regular 993 coupe,
but then you add, let's say, an X51 package
or an Aero kit or something like that on top of a 993 C4S,
and then those numbers are just going through the roof.
So they're looking, the market is valuing these super, super
rare cars based on the amount that we're built.
What did that one do?
This particular car did one, I can't say the glare, 160.
The color is also a really, really interesting color.
Really pretty color.
And I think colors on these cars
are one of the major selling points as well.
I can't see what color is that.
So this particular car is?
Is that the Amazon green?
No, it's turquoise metallic.
So it's turquoise metallic with gray leather.
This one had 50,000 kilometers, about 31,000 miles on it.
Low mileage.
So very, very nice example.
And interestingly enough, this car
sold in Atomelia when we were there,
but it sold for about $6,000 less,
still within the ballpark of where it's at.
So it's like 154, 155, somewhere around there.
So quite a stable market for that car.
Yep, very stable market for that car.
What's next?
What's also been pretty stable is our 912s.
912s.
912s.
So over the past five years or so,
912s have just remained completely steady.
So your average price has been about $50,000
with the top of the market for like a short wheelbase 912
coupe around $100,000.
And they've pretty much stayed there.
What about those that have flaking paint?
What do those go for?
They have flaking paint?
Well, that's a little bit extra.
How much of the paint has flaked off?
No mercy.
No mercy at all.
Mr. Gooyard's car?
Well, of course, it's a 912e.
So that's a horse of a different color as well.
Yes, so that's a much later 76 on that.
76, yes, only 76.
Only 76.
But our short wheelbase coupes,
they just continue to be steady.
Super nice cars like the one I have up here.
This is a recent sale at $125,356.
They kind of got the number wrong.
This one was actually modified with a two liter polo engine.
So that gave a little bit of a bump
above the high end of the market.
But that leads to a very good point.
For years, 912s were not necessarily popular cars.
911s were it.
Everybody wanted the 911.
So if you're looking, and again, this is like,
I'm putting my Zoltar hat on.
And that's why you're here, sir.
So I mean, if you're looking to speculate on a car,
particularly in the 912 market,
I would tell you to really look at 912s.
912s for the longest time.
Says the owner.
Are you saying?
No, I'm not.
It's true.
So are we trying to insider trading here?
Wow, come on, come on.
So no, seriously, they only made about 2,100 of them.
And I don't think that they've seen
a lot of love until lately, right?
So right now they're between a $35,000 and $40,000 car.
But if you do the math and you look at what
the 912s are like right now,
think about what a 912e will be five or 10 years from now.
So to educate our listeners,
the 912 was the alternative to the 911.
When Porsche brought out the 911,
they really priced out the 356 market.
So they realized they needed to get these folks back.
So they put a 356 SC engine inside of a 911 body
and it can sell it cheaper.
And like Bob said, for the longest time day,
there was a big gap between 912 and 911.
And if you read the buyer's guide,
the buyer's guide told you,
just save the money up and get a 911.
You're never gonna be happy with the power of a 912.
You wish it was a 911, blah, blah, blah.
But somehow that gap has closed.
And in 1976, when the 914 was finishing,
but the 924 wasn't ready yet,
Porsche came out for the US only.
A one year only car called a 912e,
which had the four cylinder from the 914
put into the 1976 911 body, which was zinc-plated.
So the rust was-
Yeah, it was the first year.
Rust-proofing, if you will.
First year, yep.
So that's a super rare bird.
2099, I think it's the number they always save
for production.
But going back to these early cars,
like I think what Bob was alluding to,
it seemed like out of nowhere,
that gap between a four cylinder and a six cylinder
has really narrowed.
Well, what happened was 10 years ago,
15 years ago, when the short wheelbase 911s took off,
it brought the 912 with it.
Because it had to fill in the space below.
But as the 911s have come down,
they've remained pretty steady.
And I think it's just because the 912
has gotten more of a cult following now.
Whereas 15, 10, 15 years ago, it was just a filler.
Okay, I can't afford a 911 anymore.
This is the next best thing I'm gonna buy that.
But so many people have gotten into them
that they're just not coming back down at all.
Now as far as short wheelbase 911s,
I don't see them taking a nosedive or anything.
It's a little bit softer.
I do think we have a lot less cars
coming to market these days
than we did five years ago in that segment.
And that has a lot to do with just a lot
of the newer cars at auction.
Even you see at the big catalog sales,
you see more and more cars from the 80s, 90s.
Mid-audis taking up spaces there.
So we just don't see enough of them.
If we had a really nice 912 short wheelbase targa,
couple years out of restoration, done the show circuit,
that will probably be back in that three to $400,000 range.
We just haven't seen that car in the last two years.
Someone with the 356 told me one time,
I think he was with me.
He said if you were to buy the best 356 by 912.
And I thought about that and it kind of made sense.
Because you get a 356 engine in a 911 body
and while that sounds a little bit like a bastard,
the reality is is a better balanced car
because the engine is actually moved closer to the driver
so it doesn't hang as far back and it's lighter weight.
So if you ever listened to Spikes Car Radio,
Jerry Seinfeld has been on there
and he raves about his 912
because it's such a great driving car.
Yeah.
That's why the price is what I have.
Thank you.
Thanks for the cars.
Mr. Audience.
The audience said that's why the price went up.
Yup.
Because of Jerry Seinfeld?
Okay.
He's also pumping the market,
just like this guy on 76Es.
So 912s and 912Es that are yellow,
that's what they look for, right?
That's what you want to buy.
I actually just pulled up real quick 912E pricing.
So over the last 12 months,
we've had nine cars cross the block online.
Average price, 35.7, the lowest,
almost $30,250 with a high of $48,000.
That's a reasonable price for a Porsche.
Yeah.
Very reasonable.
Particularly for a limited production car as well.
It's a lot of car for the money.
Very reasonable price.
So moving on from some of the early 911s and 912s,
I wanted to talk a little bit about newer GT cars,
in particular GT2 RS,
the 991.2s.
These have gotten insane.
Crazy.
They've always been very, very strong.
Most of them have zero miles on them,
very low mileage cars.
But we recently saw the sale of this particular car.
It's a 647 mile example, 2018.
Not the lowest mileage example
that we've seen over the last 12 months.
It's also not PTS.
It is White Sox package.
Every single car has had White Sox package.
It doesn't have magnesium wheels,
but it set a new high for an online auction.
And how much is that good?
So this particular car is sold for $625,000.
Wow.
Which is just wild when you look at the rest of the online.
And it doesn't come with the magnesium wheels.
This one does not have it.
Now what do you attribute that to?
I mean, is that just a one offer?
Is that representative of the trend?
It's more of the trend.
So we're seeing a few of the paint to sample cars,
especially on the catalog sales.
So 981.2 GT.
While you're looking that up, are people banking on the fact
that that's the last one that's not going to be hybrid?
Possibly.
Right, the last King Kong that's not hybrid?
Yeah.
700 horsepower, twin turbo, right?
It's not a bad bet.
Not a bad bet at all.
You don't see too many of them with mileage.
Most of them are going to be in that sub 2,500 mileage
but it even beat out a paint to sample car
that had 168 miles that sold for 593.
So just an amazing sale.
We also had another car that no sailed that auction
that was paint to sample.
Some kind of like Brewster Green or something like that.
Sander Wanch, all the CCX options, mag wheels and whatnot.
And that car ended up no sailing at 654.250.
I think they're probably chasing upwards of 800
because we had one car sale, the catalog sale for about 940.
That was a very, very special GT2 RS.
Creeping up right to that million ceiling.
It's wild.
And for that car when it was brand new,
it was what, three and some change?
Yeah, if you can get one.
So you're saying before you said that everyone
is YSOC package.
Everyone that sold this year so far.
This year.
Yep, I haven't seen a non YSOC package car
in quite a long time.
I used to joke.
This would be more valuable because it didn't make a lot of them.
I used to joke to people that bought that or the three RS.
I would say if you get the non YSOC,
you're probably going to have a rare car because it seems
like everyone chucked off the YSOC package.
I was just wondering if you knew that for short,
that everyone ordered it.
But you're saying everyone has come to auction.
Has come to auction in the last 12 months.
A couple of years ago, we saw a few more
of the non YSOC cars.
I was interested to see if somebody
did paint a sample, mag wheels and everything
or whatever but YSOC.
That's incredible.
So GT2 RSs, they're just wild right now.
I didn't think they could go up anymore.
But they all have low mileage, what makes them different.
But people are just paying for even the most plain Jane.
So I live vicariously through my friend, Peter.
And he has one with, I think, about, I think,
12 wonder miles.
And it stresses him out seeing how much his car is
going for these days.
And I think he put 90 miles on it this year.
Oh, no, that's a shame.
I'm like, Peter, you've got to drive it.
He's like, I'm so stressed.
I'm so stressed.
And he's just trying to keep up with his insurance payments.
Yeah, it's almost doubles every time you just find the wheel.
Every mile counts even more.
But that's not the craziest car that we've seen recently.
I had to bring this car up because it's a Porsche Cayenne
that sold for $125,500.
Is it a diesel?
No.
Not even a diesel?
Not even a diesel.
2014.
2014 Cayenne 3.6 with its new car.
Six-speed manual.
This is where I'm going to have to go.
Oh, gosh.
But still, manuals do bring a premium on the Cayenne market.
But the last time this particular car
sold maybe a little over a year ago or within a year,
it was $51,000.
This was one of those cases where two people
were sitting by the computer and really, really
wanted a green manual.
I don't get it.
I'm sorry.
I just don't get it.
I think it's a cool novelty that you
have a manual and a Cayenne.
But to me, a Cayenne.
And this is a base Cayenne.
It's just a base.
It's not even a GTS or S.
It's a base.
Nope.
So GTS cars do pretty well.
The GTS is, you'll see those 45, 50 plus.
What I would love to see and I hope comes to market
now that this thing has, they've made three manual trans
Siberias for the Canadian market.
I've seen two of them.
The two that I saw have pretty high mileage.
I don't know much about the third one.
But if this is doing $125,000,
just imagine what's something so rare.
A GTS or a trans-Siberian.
Trans-Siberian.
Yep.
That would be the car to have.
I can only imagine $100,000 plus.
It has to be.
For the premium, though, I would happily
be happy in an automatic version of it.
Like, why would you pay such a premium
to be able to row your own gears in a Cayenne?
Right?
This is the wildest thing I've seen.
I'm just expressing what Manny's thinking.
Manual Cayenne is triggering me.
Yeah, it does trigger me.
I'm sorry.
It's cool.
Don't get me wrong.
It's cool.
It's just the premium.
Maybe it's just because I'm too cheap.
No.
Yeah.
No, this was a crazy one.
So far, October, the market still seems to be pretty strong.
We've had a number of decent sales.
I was just talking to somebody on the boardwalk
about $3.56.
They've been hit or miss over the last 12 months.
The sell-through rate is pretty low.
And the 50% of the $3.56 that come to market
end up selling.
But we recently had a speedster that
went for $400,000.
That's something we haven't seen at an online auction
here for a while.
That was a really nice car.
And that was a car that, if my memory serves me correct,
was benefited from a more recent restoration,
but also hit the show circuit.
So it had a number of class wins
at certain Concorde elegances, other PCA events as well.
So I think that helped with the price.
That's why, when I think 9-11 as Targas,
that $300,000 to $400,000 Targas out there
just hasn't come to the market in the last year, two years.
So any advice for those that have money burning
in their pocket that you would point them to, to chase after?
I mean, of course, 9-12 ease.
9-12 ease, apparently, are the next hot thing,
especially when you can get the Targas for $8,000.
But I don't think the 9-12 was in your PowerPoint.
What was in your PowerPoint?
I'm still, so when I did the event last year,
we talked a lot about cars are going to do well in the future.
And I still am long on 2016, 9-11,
GTS manual transmission, especially the limited ones,
like the Club Coop or was a Rensport reunion edition
of that year.
So that was the last of the non-GT normally aspirated 9-11s.
And even the normal ones are holding their value pretty well.
But getting that manual Club Coop,
I think that if you found that car, that is a buy and hold
for the long term.
Anything that's really the last of.
You mentioned that this previous GT2 RS
is probably the last real in our eyes GT2 RS.
But that's for someone who wants to buy it,
but then can't put a lot of miles on it.
Can't put a lot of miles on it.
Because to me, the best bargain right now,
we always write more fresh every other week for PCA.
And the one I tell people to look at when
they're looking to buy a 9-11 or just another Porsche
is the 991.1.
Because for what you get with that car,
you can get them for $60,000, $70,000 now for a base model.
And it is a smoking car that you can do everything with
from the track to touring.
I don't know, collectability, what it'll be like 10 years from now
compared to a Club Coop, but for out and out.
Manny, the peanut gallery to the right,
they're like, shh, don't tell everybody.
Don't tell anybody, you ruin it for us.
Bind it now quick before the podcast goes off.
How about for our 996 brothers and sisters?
How are they doing?
996's, they aren't doing too shabby.
There was a 40th anniversary.
Ah, you have one of those, Zoltar?
I love those.
Actually, you have two in the family, right?
Actually, Josh sold his.
He sold it.
Not only did he sell it, but he chose to sell that
over top of his Viper.
Yes.
Oh, yes.
I was crestfallen to say the least.
I have failed my son.
I think Josh went, I want to know.
He might have dropped out on the inheritance list.
Sorry, sorry, back to 996's.
I would definitely look at a 40th anniversary car.
Last couple sales, October, this past month,
we had $45,000 and $43,000.
Pretty solid results.
Right now, that high was a $45,250.
That car had 53,000 miles.
So they're not even super low mileage cars
that are bringing that money.
So they're cars that you could probably sell to a mileage.
Wasn't that featured on,
that wasn't that one of the featured cars
during Boardwalk reunion?
Yes, in fact it was.
9-11 on the fours.
On the fours.
So actually, I absolutely agree with you, David.
My son bought his 996 anniversary edition.
We told him it would be a very good bet, right?
And he would enjoy the car,
because he was looking for a 2009 Cayman.
And he was like, it was like,
a little bit out of his price range.
I said, don't do it.
Just get a anniversary edition with the IMS done.
Which we found the car in Rhode Island,
and he bought it for about 30,000.
Wow, smoke and deal.
This was in 2017.
He just sold it for about 40,000.
So he put so many miles on it,
had a great, his first Porsche,
had a great time with it,
put a lot of miles on it,
and he still made $10,000.
And the car needed new tires and a few other things.
So he had a great time with that car,
and he'll never forget his first Porsche
anniversary edition,
and it just, it didn't owe him anything.
Does he still, he has a 914 as well?
Yeah, he's still got a 914.
So he still has a P car in the garage.
Yes, he does.
Gotcha.
How about the 04 and 05 996 GT3s?
I feel like those, those are so sweet.
Yeah, they've been pretty steady.
It's tough to find one unmodified.
Or not tracked, they've been tracked to death.
So find that unmodified car and keep it unmodified.
If you're worried about values in the future.
We have started to see 996.1 GT3s
start to come into the US.
It took a while for the first couple
to hit the market,
the first one or two that came to market,
no sales, but recently we've seen some sales.
I can pull those up real quick for you.
So 996.1 GT3.
So top of the market was 145,250 for one
with 27,000 miles.
It was actually a really, really nice white car.
There's a couple available right now online,
priced anywhere from like in the 140s to 170s.
Strong.
Is that correct?
So they're really strong.
Is that forbidden fruit that we never got here?
I love those cars.
I love the taco rear wing.
I think it's just a great looking car.
But do you think it's,
because I look at that car and to me,
that's before Andreas Pruninger took over the GT program.
In fact, in interviews, he said that he saw that car
and saw what was wrong with it and knew how to fix it
and then came out with the .2 which is what we got.
So I wonder if people are buying that
because it's forbidden fruit here in the US.
Or they're just thinking the whole GT program will blow up
and they want to get a piece of the GT.
They want to probably get the first GT3 out there.
I think they're looking at numbers.
You know, there are less of those built
than all the GT cars going forward.
Speed 996 is like the 996 GT2.
Looking at that, not a whole lot of those cars were built.
So that's one car that I think
there's still some room to grow.
For sure.
The GT3 at that point is not a brand yet.
It wasn't something that they would thought
that you would just say GT3 and that would be it.
Yeah, even so 996.2 GT3s, 997.1 GT3s,
they sat on showroom floors.
That was back when I was selling Porsches.
I didn't discount those.
That's so hard to comprehend nowadays, right?
Discounting Porsche?
Yeah, discounting your GT3.
Any other words of wisdom we could probably sit here
for another hour and a half,
but we do have to get on.
Anything else you want to share?
Buy them and drive them.
Buy them and drive them.
And if they happen to appreciate,
then that's just exactly good for you, good for you.
All right, want to remind everyone to head over
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And speaking of the news,
there's some hot news hot off the press
that we'll talk about.
But the first one we're going to talk about
the 963 that Manny put in here.
So of course last week you heard
that the 963 is pulling out of the WEC program,
which is the Endurance Racing,
World Endurance Racing Championship in Europe,
which means that Porsche will not be going
after the 24 hour Le Mans,
which also means that this may be the first time
with the prototype built just for Le Mans
that Porsche did not win Le Mans.
Every other prototype they've built,
they've won Le Mans with.
So, and this is to me,
as much as the 963 won championships
both in the WEC and IMSA,
Le Mans is the number one prize
and they could not win Le Mans with this car.
A little sad.
A little sad, but they are going to continue racing in IMSA.
So hopefully we'll see them dominate
the 24 hour Daytona and Sebring.
And maybe it'll stay on long enough
to a private tier will run it at Le Mans
and maybe the rules are changing.
Don't be able to say they've won Le Mans at some point.
So speaking of private,
your next news item has to do
with a private mountain tunnel.
So you've been watching the news,
Dr. Wolfgang Porsche,
the head of the supervisory board
and the son of Ferry Porsche,
the youngest son of Ferry Porsche,
has purchased a mansion in Austria
and he wants to be able to store his cars
and get to his cars.
So they're basically building a tunnel
and the local residents were not thrilled with this
but evidently it's who you know
and that private tunnel has been approved.
But more importantly, if anyone's listening
and the protesters that was watching the sign
and it says Porsche private tunnel stopping.
I want that banner.
I want that protest banner.
Has a nice little picture of a Porsche
coming out of a tunnel.
Has the worst Porsche.
Of course the people holding it are too happy
but I want to print the banner.
I see our friend Rico sitting here.
Rico, just think about this.
We were talking about you building a garage.
Talk about building your own tunnel.
There you go.
Pro mountain.
Through a mountain.
Short tunnel.
And then we talked about Mr. Oliver Bloom recently
that he's probably gonna go take care of things over at VW
which would leave a void in the Porsche world
and there's been a recent announcement.
Yeah, so this just came today.
There's been a new CEO, Porsche, Dr. Oliver Bloma
who was splitting between Volkswagen and Porsche.
The supervisory board made the decision
to have him just run Volkswagen.
And for those who don't know,
the Porsche and PX families own the majority of Volkswagen.
So they control a lot of what happened
to the Volkswagen and Porsche.
Anyways, Dr. Michael, how do you pronounce this?
Bob is German.
Lighters.
Lighters, Dr. Michael Lighters will become CEO
of Porsche AG on January 1st.
Dr. Lighters is a former employee of Porsche for 17 years.
Also formerly CEO of McLaren.
So obviously he comes with a lot of experience
and he's gonna have his hands full
as he inherits a company that is
faced with a lot of challenges right now
between the Chinese market, EV rules, EV adoption and whatnot.
It's gonna be an interesting few years.
All right, a quick update.
Mani and I and Kristen went out to Porsche Santa Clarita
which is where we'll be holding Unstock 2025,
November 16th and hopefully you've registered.
It's gonna be an incredible event.
They have this underground museum.
We counted out 123 spaces for us to display
some modified Porsches.
They've got special parking.
We've got restaurants nearby.
It's gonna be a fantastic time.
So if you-
They have their own restaurant.
They have their own restaurant in-house as well.
And so if you're somewhere near Santa Clarita
in November 16th, please join us there.
I wanna give a plug to PCA Sim Racing.
If you're looking to race other PCA members online,
check it out.
They can help you get all set up
and go race and try, see if your talents
can beat other PCA members.
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And folks, we are right at the top there.
I wanna thank the audience.
Thank you for being so well-behaved.
Yay.
We appreciate it.
And again, thank you to Bob and Ellen
for a fantastic event.
I know you still have half of the day to go.
Actually, we only have one hour to go on the board.
One hour to go.
On the boardwalk.
Well, we're not leaving.
We're just gonna stay and take over.
And thank you, David, for coming back
for the market update.
And you've made some people very happy, I'm sure.
Learning how much your cars are valued at.
And again, thank you for listening.
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About this episode
The Porsche Club Insider recorded live at the Boardwalk Reunion 2025 in Ocean City, New Jersey, featuring hosts Vu Gwin and Manny, along with special guests Bob Gutierre and Ellen Beck, founders of the event. They discuss the history and growth of the Boardwalk Reunion, which celebrates Porsche culture with a showcase of cars and community spirit. David Whitlock joins later to provide insights into the current Porsche market, highlighting trends in Targas, 912s, and GT cars. The lively atmosphere captures the essence of Porsche enthusiasm, with anecdotes and audience engagement throughout.
Original notes
This episode finds us on the Music Pier at New Jersey’s Ocean City Boardwalk. We were invited to do a live show at the PCA Boardwalk Reunion, a one-of-a-kind car show presented by PCA Zones 1 and 2. It was an event where 355 Porsches lined the boards. Our guests include Bob Gutjahr and Ellen Beck, who are the founders of the event, and David Whitlock of the Stuttgart Market Letter. We chat with Bob and Ellen about how the event came to be, how many cars attend, what their volunteer team is like, and the behind the scenes challenges. David Whitlock then joins us to talk about how the month of September’s Porsche auction results has fared. He picks out five auction of note and reviews them with us. It was an hour that just flew by.
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