This is a BMW “M5” that’s made as a wagon (called “Touring”). It’s meant to be fast and fun like an M car, but with the extra space you’d want from a wagon.
Olu Kai is a footwear brand known for casual, beachy “island” styles. The host uses it as a detail to describe the “most California” shoes he’s wearing in the photo.
“Mexico blue” here is just a nickname for a particular shade of blue paint. The host is saying the scooter’s color looks even deeper in real life than in the photo.
“Smurf blue” is a playful way to describe a bright, saturated blue color. The host is basically saying the scooter’s paint is that kind of vivid blue.
Car
Vespas
Vespa is a brand of scooter (a small motorbike). The host is saying you shouldn’t just go full-throttle right away—you need a break-in period and then regular service intervals.
Break-in is the first stage of using a brand-new engine. You drive it more gently at first so the moving parts can settle in, then you do the first service at the recommended mileage.
The first service is the first scheduled maintenance you do after the new scooter has been broken in. The host is quoting the recommended mileage for that first check, and then how often it should be repeated.
It means new cars usually lose a lot of value right after you buy them. “Off the lot” is basically when the car is no longer sitting at the dealership as a new car.
Portland International Raceway is a race track near Portland where people go to drive their cars on track. The host is saying it’s a fun layout, especially if you like tracks without huge hills.
A track day is when you drive your car on a real race track, usually with other enthusiasts. It’s more about having fun and learning than racing for points.
A plug-in hybrid is a car that uses both electricity and a gas engine. You can plug it in to charge the battery, then drive on electric power for some distance.
Tarmac means the paved asphalt surface of the track. The point is that pavement is predictable, while grass or rough ground can make the car behave unpredictably.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car designed for quick driving and fun handling. It’s often discussed in terms of how it behaves in corners and during braking. The podcast mentions it while talking about a tight corner and speed.
A “bus stop” is a track corner that’s very tight and slow, usually right after a fast straight. Drivers have to brake hard and focus on getting out of the turn quickly.
The apex is the tightest part of a corner—where you aim to get closest to the inside. Drivers plan the apex to help the car turn in and then exit smoothly.
Drifting is when the car’s rear slides outward while the driver keeps steering to control it. They’re saying the track section is shaped in a way that makes that style easier.
Off-camber is when the road slopes sideways through a turn. That can make the tires grip differently, so the car may want to slide or drift toward one side.
Pit road is the part of the track where cars slow down to make pit stops. On some tracks, the pit lane connects to corners in a way that changes how you set up the turn.
Here, “M5” means the BMW M5, which is a high-performance BMW. The podcast is talking about how it handles in a specific driving situation, especially how it grips and turns. It’s more about driving feel than about features.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is an electric pickup truck. It’s meant to be a normal truck you can use day to day, but powered by electricity instead of gasoline. The podcast mentions it while talking about a “black lightning” reference.
Airplane financing is how people or companies pay for aircraft—usually through loans or special ownership arrangements. The host says it can get complicated when planes are stuck in places affected by war or other disruptions.
Group A was a rally class that was more tied to production cars than the wildest Group B rules. The host mentions it to explain the types of rally cars in the collection.
The Porsche 959 is a famous, very rare Porsche from the late 1980s. It’s known for being technologically advanced for its time, and the host mentions it because it’s one of the standout cars in a collection.
Group B was a rally racing category known for very fast, very wild cars. The discussion here is about whether the Porsche 959 ever got to race in that category before the rules/series ended.
Dakar is a famous long-distance off-road race. In this conversation, it’s brought up as the kind of event where some Porsche 959 race cars may have been used instead of Group B rally.
Homologation means race rules require a certain number of “real” road cars to be built. The idea is that the race car has to be based on a car people could actually buy.
Vinbidders is a service that helps you sell a car to dealers without doing all the usual private-sale work. They try to connect your car with a dealer who’s actively interested in buying it.
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very rare Porsche supercar. It’s known for being extremely fast and also for being hard to find. The podcast mentions it while talking about how dealers handle buying and selling rare cars.
The Lamborghini 350 GT is an older, classic Lamborghini sports car. It’s considered valuable and collectible because it’s rare and from an early era of the brand. The podcast mentions it as part of a list of cars that certain dealers buy.
A manual swap means changing a car so it uses a manual gearbox instead of an automatic. It’s more than just swapping the shifter—you usually have to change and connect several parts so it works properly.
The shifter mechanism is what connects the gear lever you move to the gearbox inside the car. Sometimes in conversions it ends up looking like an awkward extra box until it’s installed neatly.
Here, “cables” are the physical connections that move the transmission when you move the shifter. They’re like the mechanical link between the lever and the gearbox.
They’re talking about a genuine manual gear lever, not something that’s just for show. It’s connected to the drivetrain so you can actually shift gears the normal way.
A bracket is a custom support piece that holds the shifter in the right place. If it’s not mounted correctly, shifting can feel bad or not work properly.
A “coil” is the spring part of the suspension. When people say “coilover,” they usually mean a setup that lets you adjust the suspension for better handling.
They mean the car needs proper brakes, not something weak or mismatched. Better brakes help the car stop more reliably, especially when driving hard.
Concept
safari it out eight C
“Safari” here means turning the car into a rugged adventure-style build. They’re saying that approach didn’t work well for the 8C, compared with making it a better street car.
“Berms” are raised earth or barriers along the edge of a course. On rally-style tracks, they can guide the car’s path and provide a safer boundary when you miss a line.
Nürburgring is a legendary racing track in Germany. Car fans use it as a “test” track because it’s challenging and has lots of different corners and elevation changes.
The Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is a performance version of the CT5 sedan. They’re comparing it to the BMW M5 and saying the Cadillac feels more nimble, partly because it weighs less.
This is a driving mode that changes how the car uses its all-wheel drive. In this case, it helps the tires get hot fast and keeps the car fairly controllable while you’re pushing it.
Term
hand-cooked tires
“Hand-cooked tires” is an enthusiast way of saying the tires were heat-cycled and prepared to work quickly—often by warming them up before/while running. The host ties this directly to how fast the tires reach operating temperature and how that temperature affects grip and lap-to-lap consistency.
MDM is a setting that lets the car be a little more “free” when you’re driving hard, but it still prevents total loss of control. It helps the car slide a bit without going fully sideways.
These are two common handling behaviors on track. Understeer is when the car pushes wide and won’t turn enough; oversteer is when the rear feels like it wants to slide out.
This mode makes the car act more like a rear-wheel-drive car. That can make it feel more playful and easier to rotate, but it can also overheat the front tires sooner on track.
Engine braking is what happens when you take your foot off the gas and the engine slows the car down. On a rear-wheel-drive car, that can change how the weight sits and can make the back end feel like it wants to rotate.
The BMW M2 is a compact sports coupe made for fun, sporty driving. The podcast mentions the M2CS and talks about how the car’s back end can move when braking hard. That affects how the car feels in corners and on track.
Throttle is how much you press the gas pedal. The host is saying the car is so sensitive that very small changes in gas can either keep the slide going smoothly or make you spin.
Sport Plus is a driving mode that makes the car respond more sharply. Here, the host is saying the car’s “slide with tiny throttle” behavior happens in that mode.
“Performance Car of the Year” is an award that car magazines give to a top performance car. The host is using it to say they had already learned how to drive this car’s slide behavior.
Front tires are the tires at the front of the car. The host is saying that after doing this maneuver a few times, the front tires get too hot and the car stops doing it as well.
“Active ride” means the car’s suspension is controlled by electronics. It can change how soft or firm the ride feels depending on the mode you pick. The host is saying it changes the feel between comfort and sport.
A damper is basically the shock absorber. It controls how much the car bounces and how quickly it settles after bumps. The host is saying the comfort mode makes it feel looser and more movement-y.
Torque is the engine’s twisting force. It’s what helps the car pull hard from low speeds and can also cause wheel spin if you apply it too aggressively. The host is talking about how the car manages that force.
“Electronic controls” are the car’s computer systems that manage grip. They can reduce engine power and adjust how torque is delivered when the car senses slip. The host is saying you can feel that happening while driving.
“Traction off” means the car stops actively preventing wheel spin. With traction control disabled, the tires can start slipping much more easily when you press the throttle. The host is saying it can spin quickly even with light throttle.
The Audi Allroad is a wagon that’s made to handle more than just smooth city streets. It’s meant to look like a regular wagon but be a bit more capable. The podcast brings it up while talking about the look and appeal of different body styles.
The Audi A6 all-road is a wagon version of the A6 that’s meant to handle more than just smooth pavement. It usually has a tougher, more rugged styling and suspension feel. Here, they’re talking about the new one’s wide-body look and fender flares.
A “wide body” is a styling and fitment approach where the car’s fenders are widened—often with flared panels—to give the wheels more space and a more aggressive stance. It can also be tied to accommodating wider tires. In this segment, they’re reacting to the new A6 all-road’s wide-body treatment and how it affects the look.
Fender flares are the extra pieces around the wheel area that make the car look wider. They can also help cover the tire. In this segment, they’re saying they like the idea of the all-road, but the fender flares are what they’re debating.
The Audi RS6 is Audi’s high-performance version of the A6 wagon. In this part, they’re using the RS6 as a style reference—basically saying the new wide fenders look similar to the RS6’s flared look.
The Audi SQ5 is a sportier version of the Audi Q5. Here, they’re comparing the new car’s stance and fender look to how an SQ5 looks when it’s lowered. It’s mainly about styling.
BBS is a brand of wheels. When people mention “BBSs,” they mean the car is running that brand of aftermarket wheels, which often look nicer and can be lighter than stock. Here, they’re using it to describe how good that white car looked.
The Toyota RAV4 is a compact SUV, meaning it’s a car with a higher ride height for easier everyday use. The podcast mentions it because its design is angular, and they compare that style to another car’s look. It’s basically being used as a visual reference.
The Audi A6 is a luxury car model. They’re using it as a measuring stick to say the BMW M5 is about four inches wider, which changes how it looks on the road.
“718” is Porsche’s name for a sports-car model line. The podcast mentions a 718 Spider, which is a convertible version. They’re talking about seeing one at a track and how it looks.
The Genesis GV80 is a luxury SUV, meaning it’s built to be comfortable and upscale. The podcast mentions it because someone is driving the gas version at the time. It’s included as part of the cars they’re talking about and testing.
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. This part of the conversation is about the key fob—specifically that the Taycan’s key is physically bigger than some other Porsche keys. The bigger fob likely has more electronics inside for range or security.
A “fob” is the remote you carry to lock/unlock your car and sometimes start it. This segment is about why the fob is getting physically bigger. That usually means the electronics inside changed, not just the buttons.
The Porsche Macan is Porsche’s compact SUV. The host says their Macan’s key fob is bigger than the others they mentioned. They speculate it might be due to better range or a security change involving how the key communicates with the car.
RFID is the wireless system that lets your car recognize your key without you taking it out. The host is saying there may have been a security problem with that wireless communication, so Porsche changed the keys. That kind of change can make newer key fobs look different.
Run-flat tires are tires that can keep you driving for a short distance even if they get punctured. They’re built with stronger sidewalls, which can make the ride a bit rougher or noisier than regular tires. The question here is whether newer run-flats are still worse than normal tires.
Term
tire priority
When people talk about a tire having “life,” they mean how much tread is left and how safe it still is. The idea is to replace tires when they’re actually worn out, not just because time passed.
A puncture is when the tire gets a hole, usually from something sharp. That can let the air out, so the key question becomes whether you can safely keep driving or need help right away.
Bushings are small parts that help the suspension move smoothly and quiet vibrations. In this case, the host’s car had bushings that made noise (creaking) and the dealer repaired them.
Over-the-air (OTA) updates are software updates delivered wirelessly to a car, without needing a physical connection or a dealer visit. The host notes that sometimes even firmware updates may require a wired connection (“over the hard port”) depending on the update and the car’s update process.
A firmware update is an update to the car’s built-in computer software. It can change how the car’s systems behave, and sometimes it needs a direct connection to install.
Connected cars rely on software updates from the manufacturer. Over time, the company may stop providing updates for older cars, so the car still works but may not get improvements or new features anymore.
“Normal operation” just means what the car does when everything is working correctly. The point here is that many customers don’t know which sounds are normal and which ones mean something is wrong.
A flywheel is part of the drivetrain that helps smooth out engine power. A single-mass flywheel is more “direct,” so it can make the car feel and sound more rattly or chattery even when it’s working normally.
Car
Porsche 911R
The Porsche 911R is a lightweight, track-focused 911 variant known for a more aggressive driveline feel. In this segment, the host points out that its single-mass flywheel/clutch setup can sound “broken” to owners, even when the noise is normal for that hardware.
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hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. I wish I could say I looked good.
Nobody looks good on Vespa. Nobody. Unless you're Italian. Even if they look better without it.
I mean, you want to go for the ride for fun and you're like, oh, whisk me away. But like,
with the helmet and everything. That's true. Yeah. I don't look good. But I accept that. I'm
having fun and I have a better life than you because I'm on it. Right. So there's that. There's that.
There's that. Do we exist? Yeah. Welcome to the program, everybody. It's a motherfucking good day.
It's a good, I think everybody can relate because the day is the day. Today's the day my new thing
arrived. Your new vehicle. C250. Oh, also your DVD cut. Also, it's a fucking celebration of horrible
things that people who are considered funny said on camera with straight face. But that not
withstanding. I got my new Vespa today. It was delivered. Shout out. Thank you to Vespa for
delivering it. So excited. The 2026 310 GTS Super Sport in blue electric. Oh, I have a different
picture of you. Yeah, that's how I feel. Exactly. Everyone looks cooler than I would.
I should put that up as a meme. Like how I feel and how I look. It's just actually me.
Like, where'd his other pant leg go? Oh, that's on the back. Is he wearing and is he wearing?
Oh, and he's, he's wearing a boot and a flip. This has to be AI. Oh, it has to. Yeah. Yeah.
Because look, yeah. I mean, for sure. Or it's the, the mullet of clothing. All right, we'll go back
to your photo. This person is extremely high fashion, like so high fashion. Beyond what we
could see. But like, I'm wearing my most California footwear in this photo. Yeah, they're not vans.
They're Olu Kai. They're the most they're most California. They're Olu Kai slip-ons. Yeah.
But blue electrical, which if you only speak Porsche is more or less Mexico blue. It's pretty
close to Mexico blue. But black trim, no chrome. All the piping is black. Black leather seat,
red stitching with a little black and orange stitching, excuse me, and a little black orange
racing stripe on the front fender. I'm fucking stoked. It looks great in person. I just saw it
truly like the blue is even richer than in this photo. It's really nice. Yeah. It's a good,
it's a very Smurf blue. It's kind of like that. It is kind of Smurf blue. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody loves
that friendly blue. Yeah. I'm super, super fucking stoked. I'm going to ride this thing for a really
long time. That's three miles on it. And I was like, is there a break in? He's like most motorcycles
do have a break in. Vespas don't just rip it. I was like, oh, okay. Cool. Yeah. There's a,
the first service is 625 miles. And then after that, it's every 3000. So super fucking stoked.
Once again, full disclosure, Vespa did totally unsolicited and for absolutely nothing in return
offer me a discount on this motorcycle of what turned out to be around 25% from it, from new,
which is, which is significant. Yeah. It's significant. But like enter code tire. Just
kidding. No, no, nothing. Like after I rode this one, I was like, God damn this thing's sick.
And they're like, if you want one, we'll hook you up. And I was like, yeah, I do. I do. Of course.
Yeah. But I'm not here to review Vespas. I'm here to fucking buy and ride Vespas. Sorry.
They're getting their 25% right now, but that's okay. I said before, this is the green one.
It was the finest consumer product I ever bought. And you bought it used. And I bought it used.
And I sold it. Sorry for this person to find this out, but five for $500 more than I paid for it.
Amazing. Four years and 4800 miles later. Incredible. Yeah. So I mean, you can't,
you can't possibly do better. Yeah. It's the 9 11 of two wheeled vehicles. It's unlikely that will
happen with this one, because I'm probably going to have it for longer and up and also like buying
new versus buying it, right? These things like anything else, they depreciate 30% the second they
go off the lot, but this color, super fucks. And it's new for this year. So yay. We'll be riding
much this summer. Very nice. Yeah. Good times. So many things happened. I spent last week driving
around Portland with Portland driving around the entire Pacific Northwest from Portland
to the Washington coast up to Mount Rainier, which is absolutely incredible. I can't,
can't encourage that one highly enough. And then lap around Mount Rainier through the town of
Leavenworth, which is the fake German town that's actually quite fun and charming. And, and then
ending in Seattle drove the M five a touring in a hell of a color. It's a very weird color.
It's in this, this picture, there's this other picture you put up. That's a night picture. So the
day picture, it looks like a sort of Adobe tangerine ice cream pastel.
That's like really kind. Like in the bright, bright sunlight, Adobe isn't far off. Okay.
In anything but bright sunlight, it's full on baby shit. It's like a deep, rich baby shit
of a tradition of shitting babies like no one has ever seen before. The name I came up with
was kinderscheise, which is just baby shit in German. Yeah. And the night picture you have
that I just put up, it just goes to a real medium light brown. Yeah, it's tough. It's not great.
And with a white interior, no less. It's an inside out diaper.
Yeah.
You know, I did 800 miles and a track day in the M five Tory. First off, Portland International
Raceway, lovely place. Really cool track as far as tracks with no elevation go fun. It's hard to
have a fun track without a lot of elevation, but it's, it's a club track and they run in the car
at this motherfucker and I cannot believe it. Whoa. I mean, it's a tiny, I don't want to say tiny
because a lap time is probably a minute and I wasn't timing laps, but I'm guessing it's probably a
minute and 30 to minute and 40, but for a, I can't believe they run Indy car because like it,
it has, they said they have to bring in generators because it has like no power. Like I was looking
for somewhere to charge the M five, the plug in hybrid to get maximum juice for no real reason.
But I drove around for 20 minutes, no, there's no charge. And I was like, where do they park all
the fucking RVs and shit? And he's like, Oh, dude, they have to bring in like so many generators to
run an Indy car. But very fun configuration. So you've got this very enormously long front straight.
But you see the, you see the chicane that looks like, not no, no, it's in the front straight.
There's a thing that looks like a nose job. No, that's the pick go further, further where the
where there's an addition here with a tarmac chain. So that is the is a chicane in the front
straight. So it's actually, I like this because you can go pretty fast. Like I hit the brakes in
the M five at 160 at the six board to break, you know, that's a 35 mile an hour corner.
Yeah, this is a 90 degree right hander bus stop tight that's tightens. That's a bus stop throw
away, right? The exit is much more important than the entry here. So I'm standing on it at the six
board and it's wagon, you know what I mean? Not it's W a G G I N under braking. It's also W a G
O N quite literally, but it's the wagon wagon. It's So to make that corner and
you're just standing it on the nose and kind of dancing it in. But what's nice is that's a
turn made of cones. And so if you don't make it, if you're going to blow it, it's just there's a
cone and there's a gap. And so you just go straight. Yeah, it's a it's a sin in fuel. It's not like
it's not grass, rocks, whatever. NCM in Tennessee or Kentucky, excuse me, National Corvette Museum,
they do a thing like this at the end of the front straight as well. It's like a really safe,
smart thing to do for tracks where you are learning. I think spring mountain has that also.
And I think it's filled in. It's just tarmac. Yeah, because otherwise, like if someone went
across this by accident, it was grass all of a sudden accelerating and then it's a mess. So here,
if you blow the corner, you just keep the wheel straight. So anyway, zoom back out the. So that
was fun. This big, big, big super, you throw away the first apex. There's three apexes here. You
throw away the first, you sort of brush the second. And then the third is way, way fucking around the
other side, right? And then this left hander is a little bit uphill over crest, very nice for
drifting. This right hander tightens look a zoom punch in on that is very narrow. It's yeah,
but on the entry, it's so wide. And so you can fucking start a slide like mega early and you
have plenty of room to like tidy it up by then. And then this bent this back straight in a car
with no downforce is kind of hairy. So you're flat through this left bend, hugging the inside left,
you then zoom out a bit, Zach. This, this sort of curve is just enough off camber to make you do
a, you know what I mean? As it sort of drifts to the outside. And then you kind of gather it up
for a fun little chicane at the end of that straight there, which you can take that first
left hander pretty fast before jamming on the brakes for the right hander. And then you kind of
dive the car into the pit road exit to make that last corner a little more open or pit road entrance
there to open up and cut a little grass to open that up. And you got a lot of room to send it
wide onto the front straight there. But really fun little track. This is the fact they do indy car
they must be going so fast around this huge backside. Like it's not even a turn if you have
that much downforce and then coming into this, it probably, I don't know 170 miles per hour
jam on the brakes. That's bananas. Yeah, I agree. In an indy car that is not considered a turn in
an M5 wagon. That is a turn. Yeah. Especially if it's off camber the whole way. Yeah. Not a
particularly hard track, but has some nuance and really a lot of fun. And I like Portland. I think
Portland's cool. I do too. Yeah. It's got just enough grime, but a lot of beauty. And so that was
nice. We drove to the Pacific Ocean over the Columbia River Valley to the Pacific Ocean to
Ilwaco and Long Beach and then drove up north, drove up the coast and looped it back around to
Mount Rainier. Look, the photo, the photo I have on Instagram, dude, Mount Rainier is mad
distracting. When you're coming around a corner, you're coming around a corner and it opens up
Mount Rainier may be the glowiest mountain I have ever seen while driving. It is, it is
in the sunshine. It is radiant, like so fucking glowy and you know which direction you're facing
here? Like are you headed north? So I am the sun to the south. I'm facing, well, the road is fucking
doing this first off the road. The road going up to the mountain is the zigzaggiest thing. So I
couldn't tell you when I shot this frame where I was, my guess is I'm slightly southwest of the
mountain facing northeast and this would be about 4.30 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon. So this is
like pretty ideal, this light. I mean, it's stunning. It's very pronounced. Like you have one layer
of trees in front of you and then all of a sudden it's just like the snowiest, most Disney picturesque
you know movie mountain ever. And the little hike I took up there was spectacular. Stayed at
the Paradise Inn, which is one of those old school like national park, you know, hotels.
But with one of the greatest front porches I've ever seen in my entire life, just the front porch of
the hotel is just a bunch of deck chairs directly in the fucking foot of this giant mountain. It's
crushed. And then we drove down and the drive we did, pull up just Google Paradise Inn on
Google Maps. I'm going to share this road. This road absolutely fucks Paradise Inn
and Mount, there's probably a few, but the one just at Mount Rainier because there's
got to be a lot of Paradise Inns around the place. Yeah, that's one. That's Paradise Valley road,
that's it. So from there, do a route from there to, or just zoom out actually, this road on the
right, Stevens Canyon Road. So this road is a 10.7 out of 10 banger. Wow. This road goes down from
about 9,000 feet all the way down, and then
you bang a right to go south on the 123. And then you go south from there and then you go east on
the 12. And that road from Mount Rainier to just before you get to Yakima, if you do directions
from there to Yakima to there basically on the right, that shit is a 12 out of 10 driving road.
That might be top three or four roads I've ever driven. Wow. Epic, absolutely epic. And it doesn't
look very far on the map. It's hard to see scale. When you're looking at a map of Washington, the
scale, it's weird. You can't really, like, that road doesn't look like it should be almost a two-hour
drive, you know what I mean? But to get from Rainier just to the bottom of Stevens Canyon is
like 35 minutes. It's much longer than it looks. Cool. Yeah. And it takes you past, like, you know,
the National Park sign and all of a sudden there's like overlooks. Yeah, perfect. Dude, it takes you
down a deep valley with incredibly layered overlooks around every corner. I mean, just pick a hairpin
in Google Street View and, you know, it's just a super, super banger. And look, as you can see,
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It's fabulous. So fabulous. So I met a lot of nice people, went to a place called, wait,
it was called the Mark. This is crazy dude. The Mark. Mark Newsom. Yeah. Mark Ryan winery.
This motherfucker has Pearl Jam themed wine. They got me. First they did. Yeah. Did they change the
labels as you drove in? They got me for like six huns. They could smell me coming, but the wine was
delicious. So I got six bottles of dissident. I got three bottles of crazy Mary and three bottles
of wild eyed and wild eyed crazy Mary is the line from the song. So okay. But did you try them all
before you? Yes, I did. And they were all delicious. So are these the wines? These are their family of
wines. Where's the Pearl Jam? I don't know where the Pearl Jam themed wines. I think they, I think
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look, wild eyed is right there and the dissident top left that photo. Yeah. Yeah, there we go.
The dissident. That was a fabulous wine. Nice. And their, their, I don't know the fucking term
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think they were sommeliers necessarily, but like they worked there and knew a lot about the wine.
Okay. I think, I think sommeliers and accreditation that I don't know if these people had, but they
were very nice and they knew about the wine, but they did not know if the Vincent motorcycle was a
black night, black shadow or black lightning. And the reason is because I didn't fucking know either.
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shit. Yeah. There was also a cool Norton. I, whoever this fucking Mark Ryan guy is, we would vibe
all the shit that he likes. I like, and not only do they have Pearl Jam themed wine,
they had a, he had a bunch of really dope tour posters from not just Pearl Jam, but a variety
of bands that are like, like, you know, bands that, that we like. And he had three Pearl Jam
tour, probably five or six Pearl Jam tour posters up. Three of them were shows I'd been to.
Just pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Where is this Mark Ryan? Did you tell it? Did you
know where he is? But this tasting room is in, what's it called? Wodenville, which is, is outside
of Seattle. So every city now, which is really funny, is like manufacturing a wine country,
like making their own Santa Barbara, basically. Austin has Fredericksburg, which is a fully
manufactured wine town, but like bridal showers, fucking galore, right? And so this one is Seattle's.
So it started with this one big venue called Sat Chateau Saint Michel that's doing, you know,
that place? Yeah. They do a concert. So they have, they did a winery and a bunch of the shit. So then
that's like the Dollywood and now the pigeon forge.
Grows around. Yeah. So now there's like a bunch of, there's no grapes from there or from this
immediate area anyway, but there's like a bunch of tasting rooms and like, you know, wineries.
Dinners, right? They blend, they blend it there. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So
it's not like, and when I say it's manufactured, I don't mean it's bat. The hotel we stayed out
was great. The restaurant was fabulous. We drank delicious wine, like no complaints,
but it's like clearly like they just put this here. It's not like this has a rich tradition
of wine for the last two, it's like, because those places sprung up, you know, the estates in France
are like, they grow the wine there. They needed a place to store it. And then all of a sudden it
becomes like a tourist destination. Same with Napa. So this, this, they have that with none of the
grapes. It's very clean. It's very nice. There's a lot of taste theorems. You go have a nice weekend
and like pretend you're in, you know, authentic wine country. It is rather beautiful, you know.
And then we get one to dirtfish, which is of course awesome. Dirtfish is as usual to ship.
But look at that's the hike I took. I mean, look, look at this. It wasn't like really a hike. It was
a, it was a walk. It was a very nice walk, but like, yeah, fucking hell. There it is. Go back.
There's the Vincent Black Shadow and the Pearl Jam wine and the concert posters. Love it. Those
are big bottles of wine. Yeah. That was the Magnums. Biggies. And we went to, oh,
of course, fuck me. We went to see, do you know Steve Rimmer? I met him once. Very nice guy.
What a nice guy. Steve Rimmer is the owner of dirtfish rally school. That's probably how
anyone who cares would know him. He also works in airplane financing. And so he came to dinner
with us. Like that's his job is airplane financing. Like his hobby is dirtfish rally school and,
and this crazy collection of rally cars like nothing I've ever seen. And you know, I had to
interview him. I did part of the gig, the event. It was me leading a fireside chat for the audience,
you know. And so just like if we're doing the podcast, you don't want to talk about what you're
going to talk about. You'll fucking ruin it. So I was like, airplane finance. I started asking
him about the airplane business. He told me some crazy shit. I was like, can we abandon the cars
and just talk about this? This is the most interesting thing I've ever heard. He's talking
about like, I mean, I certain things I don't think were meant for broadcast. It's not like,
but he was like, you know, what do you do when you've, when you, you know, you've got money out on
like 30 planes and they're in like, you know, Lebanon and, you know, not Lebanon. They're in
Doha and they're like all over the Middle East when like the war starts and they're being like,
get out of here. You know, it's like trying to like money on 30 planes. Like he's in the airplane
financing business. So like people are his company owns the money to buy a plane. Yeah. How do you
repossess it? Yeah. It's like, oh, it loans airlines, the money to my plane. No, not PJs. No,
no, no, not PJs. No, he were, we were, we had a very interesting conversation about what happened
at the very end of spirit airlines and like super interesting man. I mean, really, I'd love to do
a whole podcast with him about airplane financing because like that's a fucking topic. Nobody thinks
about, but like, holy shit, the stories, you know, but anyway, he took us to his, his collection,
which is like every fucking, every group B rally car or like sick group A rally car next to the
road going version of it. I mean, just like all the way around the horn, missing a 959
The only, it's the only one he did not have.
Although he did say some cars were in other places and he did have some dope porches. Well,
I mean, a regular 959 is very expensive and hard to come by. Can you even find like,
do people even sell 959 rally cars? How many are there? I feel like that's well,
twice as rare and twice as much money. Now I'm going to get fucking hammered by somebody that
knows the history of group B better than me. I don't know if a 959 ever actually
raced in group B rally. I think the 959 raced in Dakar or something 959
race car ish was a Dakar vehicle and not an action. I think they were going for group B and
the series got canceled before they could enter it. Correct. And never entered. I think they
made a total of 337 vehicles period. And that includes 292 street legal cars. That means there's
like 40 race cars and who knows how few Dakar vehicles. So I understand why street legal,
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of reality. Someone's going to beat me up over that, but that's what I think. Anyway, just flip to
the next couple of photos are there because fucking he's got, he's got the launch, Delta S4.
He's got a pair of 037s. He's got the, the M, like the MG Metro R4, a couple of fucking Audi S1s
and S2s. I mean, just the absolute titties of rally cars. And then he's got a few, you know,
couple cool AMGs, couple cool Ferraris, couple cool Porsches, you know, just stuff you'd like to
have in drive. This is someone you, you want to own a rally school because they are clearly into it.
You know, they get it, they're into it. They're not just into it for the business,
because this is their car collection. That's cool. Yeah. And I mean, how fun would it be to have a
rally car collection and have a rally school? Yeah. She's like, Oh, I have, I have a stage where I
am not going to hit anything and I can just send it. Instead of just having it in your garage,
yeah, in whatever metropolitan city is expensive and you, that's where you make your money. Yeah,
you can just take this shit out and see what it's like. Now, some of these, I'm sure the running cost
and the startup cost is difficult, but if it's working, go for it. He, Steve likes to, he said he
also has like a dozen cars at a place in England because he runs them at Goodwood and stuff,
but it's a pain in the ass to ship them back and forth every time. So he just leaves them in
England, you know, which all right, roll. I was like, don't you lease airplanes?
I just call this here, say you're transporting it. Isn't there an extra airplane somewhere sometime?
That, that imprets on the left there, that rally car, that's X Lee Keen. Oh, that was
was that was that one. Yeah, he had it. Yeah. That thing is so good. Shit. You know what he
also had the bug guys. I hope it's not a secret. I don't think it's a secret. He bought
clickin houses, Alfa Romeo eight C train station car, the USA 001 car that was a train station.
It had like 40 something thousand miles on it. They just got it and they had it like half torn
apart for like a full refresh. Cool. Yeah. Manual swap. I told him that. that,
but he said the ones they look into the the shifter like mechanism, it's like a box that
just sort of sits there. Like nobody had like nicely integrated it into the console until now.
Be any alarm strong, get out there. Somebody has done an eight C. There is an eight C with
a manual swap, but it's got this sort of weird box thing. Oh, so like talks to
the transmission through the box. No, no, it's a real shifter and it's it's cables, but like the
center console was not meant to ever have a shifter and doesn't really have room for it. So
they built a bracket that like holds the shifter, but it looks sort of like race car. It doesn't
look like an elegant, you know, like it would have come from the factory the same way it looks
if you're just swapping a car that had a manual variant to swap to. I just want people to figure
this out so that in 30 years, I can buy an eight C that's got 200,000 miles on it, you know, I'll
buy it from Hovey and then I'll manual swap it. I won't share it, but they did tell me the number
that they paid for for a 40,000 mile eight C and I have to say coming down it was look, I mean,
you could spend $17,400 in worse ways than this. Oh, okay. Probably what the fuck.
The shock rebuild costs. No, but the engines were though, but straight up the number they gave me
was reasonable. I was like, Oh, that's a good buy. It actually is. Listen, it's got that alpha eight
C has the goods. Yeah, it's beautiful. And it fucking sounds great. Yep. Nothing else matters.
Yep. Put some KW put some whatever coil a good coil. Yeah. Well, that's what I was like, you guys
fucking rally guys. I was like, get Olin's in here to valve a set of shocks, have a fucking
custom set made, get whoever your break guy is to get you a real set of breaks for this fucking
thing. And you're in business. If you want to safari it out eight C, no safari the eight C road
and handled like straight garbage. Oh, you just want him to do a good street car. I want to make
it. I was like, you guys can fix this. I was like, these things actually suck ass to drive,
but you can fix it because you're rally people and you know what a good set of shocks is. Like
it's not this car's already half torn apart. Like you can put this thing back together so much better
with like three parts. And they're like, So anyway, I hope they do. And then let me come drive it.
This is a good collection of cars. I need to really cool. I just want to go do their school
because they have real world drive cars. I still love rally ready. That's my one true love.
But real drive rally was good time. Yeah, that's good time. That's what our folks were doing on
this event. You do a stage or like an open, it was the intro. So, so I mean, actually it's not,
it wasn't open. Like it wasn't just a big, you know, rally. It wasn't cones on a giant skid pad.
There is a stage, but there aren't trees. Right. There's like grass. It's like, it's, you know what
I mean? It's, yeah, it's a defined stage that they were using that has like apex cones and stuff.
Yeah. But I, there weren't, there really weren't any trees to hit. That's what it was pretty safe.
That's what rally ready. When you've been there, but like their beginner day, the two day school,
the stage is legit and has little yumps and berms. But if you miss a turn, as one gentleman did,
not me, you can jump off of, you know, the exit of a corner and land in grass and then continue.
Probably be okay. Yeah. Yeah. They have, as they were saying, you know, at dirt fish, and it's
probably very similar to rally ready. You know, on day two, you do go on the actual stage course
once you get past, you know, but, but for our guys, you know, this was sort of an intro,
intro like three hour tour program. They got a lot, they got a lot of seat time. I mean,
it was 20 minutes in the classroom and then one to one for, you know, two and a half hours. It
was a good program. Yeah. They got a lot done. I love high school. That's fun. So if anyone wants to
come drive with me October, well, first off, there's the Germany thing experiences.roadandtrack.com.
The Germany thing is ring to spa. It's two track days, Nurburgring and spa with, with rented race
car, you know, you can choose there's levels of cars you can do anything from like a fucking golf
to a GT3 RS or a McLaren, if depending on how hard you want to go. Also road drive through Germany,
Belgium and the Netherlands. I am not going. My boss, Dan Pond, has pulled rank only one,
only one American gets to go and it's not me. So such is life, but it'll be fun. And then October
27th, is that right, Zach? Scroll down. 27th, I believe. Oh, no. No, is it not? Oh, international.
October 27th, the 30th is the Hudson Quattrocento, which is New York and Connecticut. We got Lime Rock,
which is a really fun, fun and cool track. We got beautiful roads. We're going to Wayne
Corini's house. The hotels are super, super fun. And my dad might come, actually. So that's in October,
if you want to come drive with me. If you do that trip, go for a ride along with Matt at Lime Rock
and time it with your iPhone. Then think about the fact that Tommy Kendall and like two other
people ever did it in like 45 seconds. And he held the record for like 15 years. And I think he
still has like the top six times. Me in a streetcar is probably 20 seconds slower than that. Yeah.
And it's not going to feel slow. So just perspective. Truth. Truth is told there. The M5,
I wish I could say I came to some new conclusions about the M5. They're kind of the same. It's
it's actually really good on the track for its size and heft. I did multiple hot lap ride-alongs
with, there were four up and we were going and the brakes held up and the tires held up mostly,
mostly. How did that feel compared to when you did four up in the CT5, the Blackwing? The Blackwing
is better. The Blackwing is better. And I know it's a lighter car because it has a hybrid system,
but like it's a lot of noticeable in front and the back and all that stuff. I mean this car is
so heavy that you notice passengers less actually. It affects the car less. That's what the rich
people want to be affected less. It's called afluenza. I didn't know that would be illegal for me.
It's just a fine. Who can I pay? No, the M5, it's actually quite fun and agile and it
turns in. I mean it turns in great. It breaks great. It has a good balance at the mid-corner.
It has these hand-cooked tires on it. And so if you drive it in all-wheel drive sport,
you can get all four tires really hot, really fast. But it will handle pretty well. I mean it'll
move, it'll still get on some understeer and oversteer with the traction control in MDM and
all that. It'll move a bit, but you won't have too much sideways fun. But you'll get all four
tires like pretty, pretty toasty. If you put it in rear-drive mode, and I talked about this when
I drove it the first time, rear-drive mode in this car is so silly. I mean it's cool that you can do
it. It's an absolute must that you can do it. But when you, my kingdom for the M3CS to turn
into a corner like this, for five laps until the front tires overheat, give you
about four or five laps before they're fully, before they don't do anything. Now, and you could
start dropping pressures if you, I mean, track nerds out there might have fine ways to argue with
me about this as might engineers. But the fact is, if you just show up and start driving,
you get about five laps before the fronts go. Now, when you put in rear-drive,
at, when you go into a corner, okay, first off, manual downshifting and engine braking can upset
the chassis when in rear-drive. So, so you can use that to, to upset the chassis intentionally.
Also, it's incredibly pointy and will happily rotate the rear under braking. I wish the M3CS
would do this and it doesn't, but this car does. The M2CS we drove?
I'm sorry, did I say three? The M2CS, I apologize. The M2CS. This, you brake, you turn in,
the back steps out. You do not, you have to apply zero throttle. Now, once the back has stepped out,
which again, no throttle. One percent throttle, somewhere between one and two percent throttle,
will hold the most beautiful, smokiest slide you've ever seen in your life. You will not be
going fast. You'll be going 12, but if you shoot it at 120 frames per second, you are Chris Harris.
At three percent throttle, you instantly spin. Whoa. It is, it is so comically sensitive.
What setting was the throttle in? It's all in Sport Plus. Okay. So, you could probably,
I don't know if, I wonder if you could run engine. I don't think, there's certain settings you can't
run together and I don't remember if you can do comfort or throttle or whatever,
comfort powertrain with rear drive. I don't know if it'll work. Oh boy. My turn to do it.
Who's got a, you got a towel? There we go. And so, I'm not sure if you can, but I do remember this
being a funny thing. Now, having said that, I'm just pointing out an observation. I'm not saying
this is a terminal problem. Once I learned that at Performance Car of the Year last year,
I was able to do it very easily this time. So, once you learn that, it's not hard to hold
one percent throttle and do a big slide. You just touch the pedal. You're just touching the pedal.
You're barely, barely touching it and you will hold a balanced slide in that car. Pretty no problem.
And so, like, that's pretty cool. But after even a couple of laps of that, the weight of the car
will overheat the front tires and it will stop being as good at it. Sure. So,
it's fucking 5,000 pounds, right? It's so heavy. So, it's good at this party trick
that nobody who owns one of these will ever fucking do. Well, what about, you know, driving around
road tripping in it? Like, here the roads are terrible. We know that. There's some of the worst
in the country. We had problems with the ride. Yeah. How are they around Oregon? I mean, it's,
it's, there, if you've never been anywhere near a Porsche that has active ride,
it's fine. It's not, it's not, it doesn't ride great. It rides okay. In, you, you actually kind
of want it to be in sport because in comfort, it just takes all the damper out of it and it's just
a lot of movement in sport. It controls the body a little better. But it's not, to be perfectly
honest with you, it's not a particularly inspiring street car. It doesn't, you know, I drove it around
in mostly automatic, one-handed, you know, and it's fast. You want to make a, you want to make a
crazy pass on a, on a tool, it rips. It's absolutely fast, unquestionable. But there's,
unless I was sliding it, there wasn't anything about it that really made me think it was worth
all that money. And it was over $150,000. Now, it holds a bunch of shit for, I could, I drove with
four people and I didn't have to move my seat all the way up. Like that was nice. Like it does a
bunch of these things, like objectively very well. But to me, outside of that extraordinary
experience of just fucking sending it for a few laps, you know, and doing a lot of tire smoke and
like, like that's always fun. That's fun. Most pretty much, it's more fun in this than other cars
because it's pointy. So you can get that rotation. It's not like some cars that don't want to, don't
want to do that. You have to throw it in really hard. Yeah. Make it work for you. You don't have to,
it has so much weight to transfer that you don't have to throw it in that hard. You have to break
kind of hard, but you don't have to turn in that hard. Yeah, you're playing the mass do the job.
Yeah. Especially with such a long lever. Long wheelbase, tons of torque, you know, easy, easy as
pie as long as you know the 2% trick and you don't try to do 10 because you will spin so instantly.
It'll be hilarious. Like, but like, it'll happen and you'll be like, I don't even know what just happened.
But so when you were grip driving for speed, obviously you're rolling into the throttle much
more aggressively than when you were sliding it. Yeah. Could you feel the electronic controls
pulling power, moving torque around? Yes. Yes. Okay. Because it must be, if traction off, it just,
excuse me, 1% throttle lights it up really quick. Yeah. Even when you're in all-wheel drive,
it seems like you would need 50% to do that. But you can slide it in all-wheel drive right
through the traction control if you try. Wow. If you're not trying, you will get a little bit of
movement. If you are trying, it is possible to slide it with all-wheel drive on. Yeah, no, it does a
bunch of these different, it hits a bunch of these different on-paper metrics objectively well.
But I don't, I'm not super inspired by it in any way, you know? Just doesn't, it just doesn't like,
I'm not like excited by it. So my opinion of it hasn't really changed by spending more time with it.
Although, you know, if this sounds good to you, you're on board with the M5 train,
looks a lot better than the sedan. Did you see the new all-road pictures?
An Audi all-road? There's a new Audi all-road? Yep. I feel like you're bringing this up for a
reason. No, I'm not. Like it's a giant wagon. Does it look good?
It's a mixed. Is it an A6 all-road? Yeah, it's an A6 all-road. It got a wide body. So I bring it
up, people brought it up in the chat. I don't hate it. Join Patreon. But it says it says a wagon
from a German manufacturer. We're talking about them. So that's why I'm bringing it up. I don't
hate it. I think it looks good. I feel it's good. But from the front, I'm not sure if what I want is
a wide stance wagon. Like I like the all-road. principle of it, but I don't need it to
be like fender flared, even though it does look cool, but it's the fender flares. Is it the RS6
body? Yeah, it's like the RS. It's like the RS flares. Which is like, you know. It's kind of
interesting looking. It's a lowered SQ5 sort of. Sort of. And that front wide fender is a little
taikani. Yeah, it's got the little vent there. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the way the back looks. I like
the overall look a bit better than the RSQ5 or any of those. That's not bad, actually. Yeah. Yeah.
I appreciate that I got to try the M5 again, but it didn't inspire me, unfortunately.
I'll return the one I got you. Thanks very much. I got it painted to match your Vespa.
It probably would look better in that color. Than the one you had. I saw a guy on the highway
the other day that had one that was in a pearlescent white on BBSs, and it actually did look a lot
better. It looked okay. I'm smiling because my wife's car is pearlescent white. Yeah. And it's
very angular like the new M5 because of the RAV4. So I guess it would look better, but I don't know
if I'd want the two to look related somewhat. No. Why this is. It is very wide. Yeah. But is it
supposed to be rally or is it supposed to be what's it supposed to be? It's all road, man. It can
go on all roads. No, I don't know. Is it where they like it's wider so you can... So you can...
You just Google why. You just command F wider. Yeah, I want to say... Let me know. They might have
the answer here on roadandtrack.com. Excellent publication. Usually full of good information.
It's four inches wider than an A6. Oh, it's coming in 2027. Okay. But why? We don't know.
Well, because they have the parts and it looks cool. Yeah. Just rearrange the parts and you're
fine. What could possibly go wrong? Do I have anything else to say about this particular event?
This person's purple GT3 was very cool. See that? Purple is really sticking with me more. Like the
more sports cars I see in purple, I go, oh, I think I could go that way. That was purple with
Aureum wheels with white gold wheels. It was fucking hot. There was a purple E92 that was at
Road America on purple and gold looks cool. Yeah. There was some... Oh, you can kind of see it behind.
There was a shark blue 718 Spider that was particularly dope. Nice. With like a exclusive
interior with that shark blue trim. Very, very cool. That was a really fun event, dude. We had a
little bit lower turnout than we expected and we'd hoped. Man, I really think people missed out.
I think that is one of the best ones we've done. It's a real super banger. Well, next year it'll
be full, hopefully. I hope. It's not my responsibility to make it full. We do the best we can, but it
would be a shame if people missed out on such a good one because it's a fucking super, super
dope group. A bunch of people texted me that they got their canyon watches. Very exciting to see
those in people's hands and enjoying. Yeah, Graham, you posted his photo. Shout out, Graham. Yes,
he did. I think he wore it to the Monaco Fund. Oh, really? Probably the only one there. That's
right. Yeah. And people are probably asking about it because he was the only one that was wearing it.
What is this? You know how many paddocks they probably saw there and how many Rolexes? Right.
So many. No, pink is hot right now. Other people, I saw another company just came out with a pink
watch, too. I have been driving the new McCann GTS electric and Zach is driving the GV80 gas
right now. Genesis GV80. And I guess I got to get that for me next week, but we're going to hold
those reviews till next week. They're only driven for like two days so far. Yeah. It's been a couple
days of like heavy office work for me. I was just, I was gone for like six days and man,
did it fucking pile up. Absolutely piled up. So let's go to the people a little earlier than
expected, but frankly, I've told you about all the exciting things that happened in my world this
week. So the people at patreon.com slash the Smogntire podcast, the greatest website in the world.
You know what I just posted at patreon yesterday? I posted the route for the drive we just, that I
just talked about. Cool. We do get questions about that. So I've decided that the patrons have earned
the right to these drive routes. And so for obvious reasons, I don't want to post them beforehand,
but afterwards I will post the exact routes in the patreon so you can go driving yourself or
see what they're about. And I'll probably work backwards as well. I have routes from some of
the previous years events that I'll be sharing over there in the patreon. Nice. Also, we'll have a
patreon exclusive coming out soon. These, the new tactile turn pen collab. I've been carrying this
one this size and shape. I have been very much a vibing with in brass. And so we are going to do
one of those with them and it'll be available as a patreon exclusive soon. These are really
satisfying. These pens, they're great. So of course, when you join the patreon, you get to ask us
questions for the live show, watch get the show the same day, get the show without
ads, get extra show, which speaking of which, Zach, we need to schedule a pro driver show for
this month for the month of June. And of course, access to these types of delightful collabs before
anybody else. That's assuming if anyone from the public is going to get them at all. Am I right?
Yeah. You know what? I really feel like I need Zach in order to do some questions right now.
A little more Yamazaki. It's not verbode. It's the Yamazaks. Oh, okay. I will be right back.
If there's a Zach question in there, just have a look.
Why am I singing a Christmas song? I mean, they could all be a Zach question if I lock the door.
I'll use command F again. Introducing Matt to new technology every day.
No, there are no specific to Zach questions. Before we start the questions, can I ask you,
can I make a funny observation? Yeah. My
Taycan key, which is the same as the 992 key, is bigger. Does it smell funny because I washed it
after I drove that car? I store it in my butt so it always smells funny. All right. It's bigger than
my spider key. My spider key has the same key as the 991. The older, it's like the skinnier,
narrower one. And then my new one, my Taycan has the flatter one. The Macan that I'm driving
has an even bigger fob. Why is the fob getting bigger? It has the same number of buttons on it.
You know, lock, unlock, front trunk, rear trunk. I don't understand this, but somebody at Porsche
needs to recognize that they fucking up. There's no reason the fob needs to be bigger.
Well, hopefully someone at Porsche is listening or elsewhere. I wonder if there are larger
computer chips for some reason for better range or if the battery is bigger. I hope there's,
I hope there's an internal reason. Or is this the security issue? Because that's security issue.
RFID situation. Where they had to stop making the old Macan's and had to do with
keys. That's true. The security of the keys. Very well might. Yeah.
Now it's stink. This is a much bigger fob. I picked it up and I was like, what the fuck? It's like
almost as big as the Genesis one. That's a big fob. Yeah. What are we doing?
Hopefully, again, hopefully there's a reason and it's not just about like stunting on people at
the bar. You know, you just put it down and it's like, this is my new 911 fob. Yeah. Yeah, it's the
S2. It's the S2. This is like one of those girls. This could be a phone case. Some girls in my
neighborhood dude. That looks like the old phone with like the football phone and stuff from back in
the 80s, 90s. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Can you command plus, command plus again? I think we can only
command plus one more. No, there we go. That's the number of command pluses that are okay.
Let's see what we got. Spencer, hopefully not Pratt. Fuck that. How nice is it that fucking,
we don't have to hear from that shithead for a little while. What a fucking deep. I didn't know
who he was until he ran again. And then I had to Google. So wouldn't it be better if you never
heard of him? I probably won't. Life would be better if you'd never heard of him. I remembered
him from the first time, unfortunately. So from the reality show? Yes. Your brain and all this is
the con of your brain. Dude, I remember him from the reality show and all the fucking shit he did
afterwards to repeatedly demonstrate that he might be one of the three stupidest people that ever
lived on this planet. He spent millions of dollars on crystals. Really? Yes. Crystals.
And then he thought the world was going to end in 2012 and gave away all his money and his stuff.
Like this is one of the dumbest people. That should have been the ad campaign against him
right there. I don't understand how it wasn't. I don't understand how it wasn't. Is anybody who
was there? He spent $500,000 on crystals in a single year. He said this in a 2010 interview.
Anybody who was there in fucking 2005 saw this shit happening in real time. It wasn't that long ago.
This guy was the most dumb person you can imagine openly and on television. Like we all saw it.
It's so fucking crazy. It wasn't even like Trump where they tried to make him smart.
It was a reality show. They made him look as stupid as he actually was. We all were there.
The crystal thing should have been the... People voted for that guy.
He spent $10 million on wine.
Like top three stupidest people that ever lived. Like crazy. Crazy. Holy shit. So anyway,
hi Spencer. Hopefully you're smarter than Spencer Pratt. Or if you are Spencer Pratt,
that would be very funny. Picked up a new car that came a factory with Run Flats and the Internet
loves to talk about how bad they are. Is that still the case? Should I be looking to swap to
regular tires now or at least when these get worn? I think Run Flats have come a ways and I don't
think all Run Flats are necessarily terrible. Back in the late 90s, they were bad. They were
harder, louder. The grip wasn't as good. I mean I think I would just drive on the tires that came
on until they're gone which we'll get to so we had a response about tire life but like that'll
last you a while and as long as they're not really noisy or causing you some sort of pain
inconvenience like keep them. It would take me a lot to throw away a good set of tires. Yeah.
If tires got life in them, I'm probably going to drive them until they don't anymore before I
spend money on tires. I'm not that financially loose. Look, I just popped my tire the other day.
I had to take the wheel off and drive it to the shop to get it replaced because I don't have
Run Flats and I was worried about gambling and driving over there. Yeah, I mean that's the thing.
It's your level of risk. I mean if you think your car rides, drives, feels, goes, stops, turns,
fine then you're cool. Then don't sweat it and if you do get a puncture you'll be able to drive it
to safety and that's cool. That's better than some alternatives. Go back 20 years and like yeah,
they were shit but like the internet has a very long memory but the technology continues along.
Old wives tale that just continue and continue and continue.
Lambo, Lambrou Jeanne Habibi says, fuck Mary, kill Philly cheesesteaks, New York pizza,
and the New York style bacon, egg, and cheese. Mary the pizza, fuck the bagel, kill the Philly steak.
I'm with you as well. I think the both the pizza and the bacon, egg, and cheese are superior to
the cheesesteak with respect to the cheesesteak. I see pizza out monthly. I never even think about
Philly steaks. Yeah, you respect the Philly steak, a great one is a truly wonderful thing. Sure. But
there's so few and far between. There's so few and far between that it's just... And a bad one is for
he to meet shoved into bad bread. That's the real problem with a cheesesteak is it's often not worth
risking trying a new one because a bad one is so bad. It's like relationships. I don't want to go
on any more dates. Like a bad bacon, egg, and cheese sandwich is like, you know, fairly edible.
It's not that bad. Pizza is pretty bad but usually edible. Yeah. But a bad Philly cheesesteak is like
really bad. Because you're dealing with meat. Yeah. Like wet meat. And vegetables and both can be too
firm or too soft. Yeah. Wet meat. Weird bread. It's a high risk environment. Yeah.
The Duffel Shuffle Retirement Club says, with over the updates becoming the norm, at what point
will updates no longer be able to be downloaded on older cars because the memory storage is full?
Alternatively, am I an idiot and don't know how over the updates work? It just occurs to me that
I don't know how. That's a great question. Yeah. I had a, I did have on the Road and Track event,
there was a guy who was, was not a Tesla guy, but he was a Rivian guy, hardcore Rivian guy.
Knew better than to bring a Rivian on an event like this, but hardcore. And I don't mean to talk
shit, but he was very, you know, I'm not talking shit. He was a very nice guy. He was
very passionate about his Rivian. And when he was asking about my Taycan, I said, you know,
was he saying, was it reliable? I said, yeah, it's only had to go to the dealership for a set of
bushings, which, you know, creaked a little bit and they fixed it. And, and a few software updates.
And he sort of a little sneeringly was like, it doesn't get over the air updates. And I was like,
no, it does. But it's like, that has to go to for a firmware update sometimes that was over the hard
port. I think at certain points, they will stop updating older cars.
They'll probably do that. I don't know if they'd ever fill it. Your favorite car company has addressed
this Tesla. They say that once they've updated the car and it's been a successful update, it will
delete the old files. So it's, it's shuffling off storage. I don't think they'd ever have such a
large update that it would fill entire hard drive for a car, but they probably just stop
supporting it. You know, they probably do stop supporting it. But maybe like 20, 30 years down
the road. I don't know. We're also, how long have over the OTA updates been around? So we haven't
really hit this point where they are 30 years old. Yeah. And what are the car companies going to do?
But as we've seen, they stop making, you know, hoses for cars, like there's the back catalog.
And so I mean, some, some companies keep reproducing the shit, but some don't. And so maybe they'll
stop supporting the car, updating it. Yeah. I mean, I imagine you'll be able to download
an old, if you buy an older car and it didn't have the last update, you know, the latest,
whatever it is, whatever the latest is, whether the latest is from this year or from five years ago,
the latest one, you'll probably be able to get that. But at a certain point, development of
that software will stop. Yeah. So I think, I guess I hope the car will always remain functional.
They may not continue optimizing the system, adding new features, but I hope it's not like
an old PC where it's like, you need the new driver and you can't run it. So therefore,
this computer is useless. Yeah. McDonald's Osborne says, oh God, and listen, if you're
listening to McDonald's Osborne, I'm going to read your question. We're going to answer your
question, but I really want a detailed follow up from you on this question. The question is,
I'm a new transmission mechanic and I've already learned that customers don't know what normal
operation is. You then don't elaborate on that. Please tell me what these people are telling you.
That's what I need to know from you. Well, the second part is, have you, have we had experiences
where customers or new journalists don't understand what is or isn't normal? So is this person saying
people are bringing cars to them and going, this sounds weird. He goes, no, no, no, that's what it
does. Or are they bringing in the cars making terrible sounds and they say, what, that's a problem?
And he goes, yeah, you didn't know that that's not normal? Sure. It could go either way. It could
go either way. You definitely have that issue with Porsche single mass flywheels and like the 9-11R
and like the ST. Customers would call in and be like, the clutch is like broken. And it's like,
no, no, it's like supposed to do that. It's a good shattery, you know, chattery thing. It sounds
like a Ducati. If you've ever heard a Ducati, it's like, it's race shit. And most people, most
clutches don't do it because it sounds like that. You're hearing, you know, it's like,
you're hearing the metal hitting the metal or the clutch material. Whereas in a normal car,
you don't. Yeah. It sounds like kind of broken. Like it's another car that doesn't have this type
of clutch. If it sounded like that, it would be broken. Yeah. In most cars, if you hear friction,
that's a problem. Yeah. So this is the one. So I want to know, do they not know what normal
operation is like when you ask that, so you interpreted it differently than me, you interpret
it as it's making a sound or fucking up and they don't notice or it's not making a sound,
you know what I mean? And they're inventing symptoms. So like a similar one would be like,
I'll dive on the grenade, like me and figuring out that my 718 spider is supposed to run at
221 degrees. Like instead of 190 or like where other cars run. And I don't know what normal
operation is. And they're like, people like you are why we put dummy gauges in cars,
because they just want it to be okay. They don't actually care to learn that their car
operates at a higher temperature than some other cars. Yeah. So there's, that's the one where I
didn't understand what was normal. I don't know. We need clarification on what this means.
But in general, single mass flywheels. I've had customers say some really dumb things to me,
but I wouldn't necessarily say that they don't know what is or is not normal. I don't want to
throw any customers on the bus. Kevin King says, but by all, but please, whatever the fucking,
I've just blanked now on the person who asked that question, please follow up with what you mean
by those customers who don't know what normal is. I sense there is a story there. Kevin King says,
I got a bonus at work that will allow me a comfortable budget of $12,000 for a watch to
celebrate. I have a Panerai Luminaur and a couple of Seiko Turtles. I like dive watches. I use the
timing bezel for activities. And I like a watch I don't have to take off. I reserved a
Starbucks. That's the Rolex Submariner with the green bezel and the black dial. That's the nickname.
It sucks that you have to call it that. Okay. Thank you. There's generations. It's like 996,
997, 991. Sure. So the three generations of green bezel Rolex Submariners. I have the first one.
The only one is the Kermit. The second one has a green dial as well. Do you know what that one is
called? Starbucks. That's the third one. That's today's. There's one in between. Eric has it.
Gumby. Money. No, keep, I mean, you're not far, you were going in the right direction before.
The Hulk. Yes. Oh, shit. Very good. It is Hulk. Is it any bigger? Is it the Hulk green? Is it bigger?
No, it's green. Okay. It's green. Are the shades of green different across the generations? Well,
so mine has a black dial and the green bezel is made of aluminum. The old style, which fades in the
sun and mine has that amazing fade. Eric has the Hulk and his has a green dial and a green bezel
and the bezel is made of ceramic like this watch or like, like the GMT I have and that doesn't fade.
And the new one has a black dial and the ceramic green bezel. Cigura has that one. Okay. I don't
think Eric goes outside as much as you did last time I saw. No, he doesn't. But if he did,
it wouldn't fade. Mine has faded beautifully. So, oh, there was a question here. I reserve to Starbucks,
but I've not purchased it yet. Am I dumb for not going for the new GS or anything else? I've always
wanted a Rolex sub. I mean, look, bro, the best way to get a Rolex dealer to sell you a steel watch,
I've already, this is my time honored strategy. You walk in there, here's the watch I want.
I'm celebrating a specific milestone that's happening at some point in the near future,
a month, two months, something like that. Not six months or a year, not next week. It's got to be
like long enough for them to get one because they'll get one of them. And then you say immediately,
and I want to talk about having it engraved straight away because now you're not a flipper.
Now you're going to put that motherfucker on and wear it. So, that's your move. Am I dumb for not
getting the new GS or anything else? If I always wanted a Rolex sub, if you've always wanted a
Rolex sub, you can afford it and they will sell you the one you want. Just fucking get it. Just
get it. I love the new GS. It's super, super sick. But I'm not going to, you end it. I've always
wanted. That's what this shit's about. It'll make you happy. Yeah. It'll make you happy. I just
saw a comparison photo. I like the Kermit the best. It's got the green in the middle. It's got the
what? It's green in the middle. The green in the middle? Well, unless there's pictures wrong.
Talk to me about this bullshit because that don't theme right. Where's the green? This is green.
That's a Hulk. The Hulk is the middle. Oh, I thought Kermit is the left. That's the one.
Oh, no, they did not. Yes, correct. The title fucks it all up. Oh, okay. Yeah. The one on the left
is what I have, but mine because of how much sun mine has been, my bezel is more like the color of
the middle one. It's faded now. So they call that a ghost, which I'm incredibly proud of and will
never, ever, ever fucking sell. That's the last one. Let's see what else we got. Sigs inside. If
the automobile was never invented, would y'all be reviewing covered wagons or horses? Horses,
probably horses. Oh, that's so funny. I liked horses when I was a kid and if we didn't have cars,
I would totally be on a horse for sure. Yeah, of course. You can't. That's what you got. Yeah,
you even ride a wagon with like oxen. How do you, how do you, you know what I was about to say? How
do you review a stationary wagon without oxen? Just like they do on TikTok. Just like they do
on TikTok with car reviews. Exactly. Exactly. They do on TikTok right now. It's got a canvas top
and a yolk in the front that can go over two oxen and the wheels are made of wood. Come around the
back. It's got a square. You put your children back here and if they die, you throw them out the
back. Typhoid sucks. Oops, I'm not supposed to say that. I'm being paid for this review. Can't say
anything bad. Oh my God. That's fucking great. Johnny Evie Gierberman says, they say that the
canvas will be arrow proof, but so far it hasn't proven true in testing. This is the Tesla ox cart.
RIP mom. Johnny Evie Gierberman says, when we drove the Genesis G70, that's the Sedan
Zach. Yep. We wished it came with a manual. Do you think the lack of a manual is keeping it from
enthusiasts taking it seriously? So I think I had this car two years ago. I drove the Santa Cruz
in the back. Great, grand touring car. Awesome. Looks good. Comfy, all that stuff. But I think what's
keeping enthusiasts from taking it seriously is that Genesis has no racing history. Genesis has no
sports car history really. Like infinity G35s though. But what about infinity G35s?
People, enthusiasts dug those when those came out. Infinity hadn't raised shit. Oh, that's a good
point. All right. Good counterpoint. I mean, it's the G70. It's like, I don't know if like,
if they need, they need a really fast one. Like I'm not sure if enthusiasts would have taken the
Alpha Giulia seriously if there wasn't a quadrifolia. Of course. And that's where the G70 is. It's
like a nice car. It has decent, better than decent. It has very solid dynamics for what it is. But
it's a row of sevens and nothing about it stands out as being a 10 in any particular area. I wonder
if the G35 and seven benefit, they benefited from the R&D on the 350, 370Z. Sure. And it was like,
well, I know it's heavier, but like it's close enough and some parts did carry over. And of
course, the drifting community. Without the drifting community, I think you'd have a lot
less popularity on the G body stuff. Journalists as well. I mean, at the time back, you go back to
like 0506. I mean, car and driver road and track, it was G35 versus three series versus A4. And the
G35 was like winning those comparison tests like pretty regularly. I don't know if I've seen a
comparison test that included the G70 and the three series. I'm sure there are. I mean, I'm sure
there are, but like, I just haven't seen one really recently. Yeah. The G70 is a nice car. It really
is. For the price, again, it is a good car. I don't know how they hold up like long term. Very good
question. How they hold up long term. Yeah, I agree. I don't know how they do. Like the initial
quality of Genesis is like dope. I just don't know what one looks like with 80,000 miles on it.
I think a manual would help, but I don't think it would make as much difference as
those nerds think it would. Midship runabout two-seater, best and worst automatic gear selector
of all time. Modern vehicles with buttons this select are especially annoying in my book.
I agree. I don't like buttons. I don't hate the buttons. I hate the buttons if
I have to really reach for them. If the buttons are close at hand, I don't mind them.
Right? They're not my favorite, but I don't hate them. I'll lament the loss of a place to
rest my right hand like a shift or lever. I do like that. The G80 is kind of, and I know we're
going to do like a review on it later, but it has a puck. The puck. But in front of the puck is a
puck for volume control. And I'll tell you what, when I was parking today, I hit the wrong one and
I didn't hit a car or anything, but I was like, all right, let's go to reverse. And I spun the
volume knob and they just, they're right. Does it do the, is it an orb that flips? Or is that
just the electric ones? Yeah. So the, I think the Ferrari 360 F1 little dainty T handle. I
think it sticks. I kind of like it. I think that's, I think the macro pictures did well for me.
Uh, I would go with, I think it's back in like the fifties. There was like the slide
off the look it up. It was like an HVAC control, but it was for, uh, for transmissions and like
the old push button shit back in like the sixties with Pontiac. I mean, it felt like you were buying
cigarettes in a machine where you know, like, you're playing a jukebox or using a fucking
machine. Yeah. All right. But best automatic shifter. So where do we draw the line at automatic
is the question. Are we talking about any car without three pedals or are we talking about slushbox
because here's why slushbox slushbox. Yeah. Let's, let's, we won't include DCT. So take me back to
the 1980s. The Olds and Beale Torinado double handle with the double handle is pretty fucking
hard. It's true. You know what that handle is right out of, uh, like cartoons where it's like
activate the machine that might end the world and it's like, it's like the throttle on a plane
or yeah, we're like a cigarette boat. Right. Right. Right. Um, if, if it's two pedals, but that's the
only requirement, Lenko lightning rods, right? Lenko lightning rods are the coolest shifters that
exist that exist. Well, they look exactly like the way you operate a crane. It's like, you know,
left up down. That's exactly the same. Yeah. You need to be in a union. That's right. Yeah,
you need, yeah, you need a gut and some red wing shoes. I'm going to go with a column shifter.
I like them out of the way. It's great. I like a column shifter. I like a column shifter. It's out
of the way. Let the center tunnel be all the other controls. And once I touch that thing,
I don't really need it again. So I go a column shift. Interesting. Burrito lover says I did 500
miles in a friend's Z four and Roadster. I found it lovely to drive and did a 127 at
Thunder Hill West on 200 treadwear tires. That's actually very good. That is, that's a fucking
strong time. Very nice. I didn't fit super well. I'm short and fat. I'm looking for something similar
and more comfy. C 506 S 2000 older came in boxers, et cetera. I have a Chevy bolt
for a daily. Your suggestions are not great for a short and fat person. I have to say
they're not as to K. I agree. Yeah, you're limited. No, it's one kind of size of person came in
Boxster. Maybe. Yeah, I think C 506 is pretty comfortable. I don't know how short this
person is. I think you look, if can you afford to be short and fat and drive a Corvette,
they wouldn't have sold as many Corvette truth wardrobe appropriately. C 506
like here's the thing. Yes, front engine, rear drive, dynamically, same wheelhouse,
but one of these cars is put together well and one of them is not. If you have the budget for
like a C six grand sport, you're getting a much nicer car. If you have a budget for a C seven
grand sport, you're getting an infinitely nicer car. I would rather have, if I'm not doing track
stuff, yeah, maybe even if I am a C seven, Z 51 package, sure. Forget grand sport because that's
going to be more expensive. Like that is a much nicer car than the five or the six, even the two
of them put together. I don't, we don't know your budget. Yeah. The, uh, but I mean, it's C five,
06 is what 20, 30 grand at most. So let's assume the budget cap is 30. I mean, let me ask
you a question here. I bet that a question, a Z four M roadster, similar and more comfy.
Have you considered an E 46 M three? Because that's what that's what you're driving. That's
essentially what that is. That's very true. Right. And they're good for short people because the seats
are too high for normal or tall people. Yeah. So you'll actually, you'll fit great. I, I,
I hate to say it, but the 46 M three might actually be your answer. And if they're expensive,
you could get the three 30 CI or a CHP more reliable and costless.
Dude, you could get an E 46 M three convertible. That's what you want. Stocking roadsters here.
True. That's true. That's true. There's, you know, how much value there is if you prefer the
convertible, you get all the convertible. You get the greatest E 46 M three on the market. If it's
a convertible, it's like 35%, 40% off. Yeah. Very true. Yeah. SMG or manual. Yeah. That's a good
point. Hell yeah, dude. I like BSD BDSM brakes, drive, train, suspension manuals. It's funny.
Respect it. Respect it. Is there a point at which modding a car becomes automatically in poor taste?
Example spending above 50% of its MSRP. Yes. Tuning out of class is a real thing. There is
a certain point at which it doesn't necessarily make it trashy, but there is a certain point at
which you should have just bought a better car. I will say yes, but asterisk. If you love this thing
and you have the money and you want to make it into some sort of Frankenmobile, like, you know,
that's your canvas. Go nuts. Yeah, yeah. But you wouldn't be asking this kind of question if that's
how you felt. This person is looking for approval. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Modifying it. Modifying the
mirror. We've seen some of the craziest custom shit you've ever seen in your life, where a fucking
$2,000 car is turned into something that's just completely incredible. But what's interesting
is if they're starting with an Amira, 100 grand, let's say, if you spend 50 on it, you're still
like mid-engine cars are pretty rare these days. Yeah. Right? You know, came in, boxed with, those
are gone. So the next step up is Ferrari, and that's $500, $400,000. So you're still not tuned
out of class because the next class up is so expensive. Like, so when Steve Dynan came on the
show, listen, come and listen to that back in the day, not that far back in the day, but when
Steve Dynan came on the show and he talked about how much power and performance you can really add
to any given car before you start to have diminishing returns and problems and things like that.
And the number he settled on was like 20, 25%. And that's if you have a pretty solid budget
to work with. Right? Yeah. Well, then you start running into where issues,
reliability issues, sure. Yeah. Bing Bong, Nixon 5, shout out to the Knicks. I
don't give that much of a shit about basketball, but I did watch the last game and it was fucking
awesome. And I am proud of my, I mean, New York is really, they got Mamdani, they're fucking on a roll.
Like the watch parties in the street, the watch parties in the so cool and so fun. Yeah, New York is like,
oh, I'm here, and I have to hear from Spencer fucking Pratt every day. And they've got Mamdani
and the fucking guy who's like, my bagel Jewish, like that fucking guy. They have perfect vibes right
now. And we have the dumbest people in the world getting really close to public office.
It's incredibly problematic over here. And to be fair, they only got to where they are now
with their, with Mamdani because they had Eric Adams, who was really fucking dumb. That's a good
point. The interviews he has done are hilarious. You do need an Adams to get a Mamdani.
Watch the interview as the way he did with him, that like comedian. With Eric Adams or Mamdani?
Oh my God. With no with Eric Adams. It's wild. He, you've never, he's the most easily flustered
person in history. But the whole time he's trying to like flirt with her. So he just paints himself
in the corner after corner. That guy, that guy was fucking something. Wasn't he like,
like, didn't he have to register as being a foreign agent from Turkey or some crazy shit like that?
He was getting comp flights and Turkish air lice. Jesus Christ, dude. Anyway, Nixon 5.
Right? Nixon 5. What's an R&T road trip you want to do with the lack of
accommodations and dining makes it a no go? I don't know about dining. We can always find
somewhere to eat. Hotels are really a thing. The big one I want to do, but we have not been able to
come anywhere close to making it work is West Virginia. Best roads ever ain't nowhere to stay.
That's tough too, because we got some to point. We have a track. There's a totally solid track in
West Virginia. West Virginia's population is only 1.7 million people. Yeah, there's not a lot there.
That is small. So there's just not a lot there. There's just not a lot there. So that one is the
number one that I want to do, but that specific problem comes up where there's nowhere to really
stay. The other one is the problem isn't that there's nowhere to stay. The problem is that it's
so far in the middle of nowhere, I don't think we can get people to go there. It's Big Bend National
Park in Texas. That's the Turingua trip, which is I think the Procedo Highway is one of the
best driving roads in America. The whole area is bananas, but you got to go to Houston and then
drive four hours so far in the middle of nowhere. I don't think anybody would go.
I guess we were pushing it with the Pacific Northwest. I guess people don't want to go there.
I think it's a smaller market, sports-wise too. For sure. Yeah, for sure.
And to get up there, if you live in San Francisco or here, to get there for the trip is a huge thing.
The math is a little depressing on it, but just like it seems sort of obvious when you think about
it, the events that we have that are more central, so it's like the clumping of Tennessee to Colorado,
it's like you could get there. You can pull from all corners.
You can pull from all corners. The ocean is your wall and you can't pull from Canada.
Sure. And if you've got East Coast folks, it can be very expensive. We did a lot of quotes for
shipping. It was like $5,000 to ship a car to Seattle from Florida, one way. Yeah, it was
crazy expensive. Diesel is so expensive. And so people were like, look, to do this trip and then
also ship a car. It's like, I get it. It's not the end of the world. I think they missed out,
but whatever. But it's really that I could drive to there from a lot of places and I can do this
trip without having to ship my car two ways. And that opens the door to a lot of people.
Carb's legal bakery says, will some of the same people who bought a
Cybertruck buy the Ferrari Luce? Yeah. Some for sure. No crossover. Yeah, for some. You'll
probably see, I bet you will have a lot of influencers buying them the way they did with
the Cybertruck, buying them quickly to do content, and then hoping they
can get out of it without losing their shirt. Hannah Montana LLC. It's pretty good. Yeah.
I can't believe it took people that long to get that. That's a great one. You guys have often
said that the driving experience of an air-cooled 911 doesn't match the price tag, but at the same
time, I have expressed interest in getting another one. What price would you assign to the driving
experience assuming you're someone who can appreciate a slower and less capable vintage sports car?
When you're talking about an air-cooled 911 or some other subset of sports cars,
it's not about spending the dollar value on the driving experience because it's money in,
money out. If you buy the right car, that's potentially like a pretty flat investment.
You could buy the right car and yes, it costs you money to service it. Yes, it costs you money to
run it, but money in, money out, you can park that money rather than spending it. If the buy-in
price doesn't bother you, which I realize is for many people a ridiculous thing to hear for a
potentially six-figure car, but if you happen to be worth millions and spending $100,000 on a car
that last year was $70,000, but next year is maybe $105,000, well, you're not really spending it,
are you? And so although it's, it's, it's for someone who can't afford 911s, yes, the experience
of driving one is not worth that $150,000, but if you could have a 911 for five years, spend
$10,000 in maintaining it, somehow make $5,000 when you sell it, so your net is $5,000 out of
pocket, is it worth $5,000 over a period of several years to, to drive an air-cooled 911?
Yes, it absolutely is. So if you are capable of doing that math based on a financial basis of
stability, then it's awesome. So I'm that guy, I could buy a car, if I wanted to buy a car and it
wouldn't affect my day-to-day life, it would be expensive and I'd have to think about things a
little bit, but it, you know, I could do it. So for me saying, I'd like to get another one someday,
it's like, I sort of keep the car budget floating around, you know, the money, the money, I sold
the NSX, that was a bunch of money, but almost all of that's going, going into the Kuntas,
getting rebuilt. So it just sort of like swirls around, eventually we'll sell something and maybe
I'll find an air-cooled 911 I want, you know, I, after having a super-modded one, I think I,
and I drove a customer's like stock one, I was like, oh, oh, these are really nice when they're
stock, I maybe would like to have just like a stock one. And that saves you a lot of money,
I was going to say, it's hard to just say like the driving experience of an air-cooled 911,
because I don't know, I've driven one that was like a $60,000 car, then I've driven one that was a
$300,000 version, and they were very different experiences, and you could see the overlap of like
the power and performance of the expensive one was ridiculous. So it's like, which of those do you
want to have? I, I, the, I already had one that was extreme in its own way. The next one I'd like
to have eventually is one that would be very easy to just use as a car, like every day or on a weekend
or go to the, whatever, whatever, I'd like it to just be good at that. Nishant says,
no, I, I have absolutely no idea. Sorry Nishant, couldn't tell you. She likes a choke to get started.
Last show you said the ZR1 is the way to go versus ZR1X, can you elaborate? I thought I
elaborated on the show, but one more time, the General Motors front axle is a single motor axle,
it's not a particularly advanced axle, it doesn't offer super advanced torque vectoring,
it's mainly there to offer traction going forward off the launch or in bad weather.
It's not meant to create this sort of magical handling the way that a tri-motor setup would
be where each front wheel has its own motor and it can do infinite brake vectoring and torque
vectoring and all the crazy magic shit. So in addition to that, it adds weight to the steering
versus the rear wheel drive car. The rear wheel drive car is already so fast that in any sort of
practical sense, there's no point to having any more power, but it's at the detriment of the
steering feel. So that's what I mean where you should just skip the X and get the rear wheel
drive car because in 95% of ways it will not know, you will not notice, this is the fastest car you
can imagine, the regular ZR1 is psychotically fast and the steering will feel better because it
won't have all this extra weight on it from a front axle that you don't really use and doesn't
really add to the day-to-day driving experience or even the track driving experience 95% of the time.
Holy words, this is the tire, oh okay, okay the tire thing, so we've talked about the tire thing,
the California tire efficiency ruling, we originally talked about the ridiculous scare tactics
hype around it and they're going to ban these tires and blah blah blah, we then actually read the
document which is not that hard to read and it seems like they are willing to carve out a variety
of specific exceptions for things like motorcycle tires, off-road tires, winter tires, and other
specialty tires and my note and suggestion would be to include DOT legal, street legal track day
tires as well and other people have obviously had the same fucking thought. So assuming that Glorify
G580 with EQ technology is who they say they are, are a longtime patron, first-time
commenter, shout out to you, it has a comment on the tire efficiency ruling, works with a national
tire retailer with many locations in California and has consulted directly with the state on the
ruling, again I'm going to have to take this person at their word, anyone could write anything here,
but let's let's try to take them at their word and assume they are not a shitbag liar like Spencer
Pratt. We are actively working with the state at their request on crafting a specific exemption for
DOT track day tires. Your listeners should know that the spirit behind the ruling is to ensure
tire manufacturers do what we know they can, which is build tires for the general public that are
more efficient and perform as good or better than today's tires. California has no interest in banning
tires for enthusiasts, in fact the spirit of the ruling is the opposite with almost 30 million
drivers in California, a slight increase in fuel efficiency can have a massive overall impact,
the ruling does not address tire wear particles and is specifically structured around rolling
resistance. I think that's a good thought, I think that regulation drives performance as much as it
drives efficiency, it's how we got the turbo technology we have now, it's why cars have a
thousand horsepower now and I think tire manufacturers are absolutely capable of focusing
their efforts on creating more efficient tires. I also think that there should be an exemption for
street legal track day tires such as the R compound tires that many of us buy for our weekend and
special cars and so I'm glad to hear that the someone in the industry who listens to this show
at least claims to be on our team there. So you know, as soon as I read the thing I went,
somebody in a position of power will find a way to make track day tires legit.
The market's too big and on the tire note, we also on that show I think spoke about tire life
and I got an email from someone who works at a large dealership and they basically said that
most owners expect to get 50 to 70,000 miles on tires, really assuming all seasons. They did say
it varies if people, if you live on like a flat part of the country or it can be very flat and
straight, if you have twisties or you brake a lot, it obviously goes up and then some guy on reddit was
like, I found the hack to get 200,000 miles out of my tires, he was using commercial truck tires on
his F350. Commercial, I saw that post, he had that 18 wheeler tire and he's like, yeah, I'm getting like
200k. But people were saying like, these don't have, no, no, yes, it's very hard. They were also
saying you have no braking because you don't have enough weight on the tire to press it into the ground.
Like this is a tire meant for, despite a portion of 80,000, a big 8,000 pounds, so if you have 10 or
20,000 pounds on it, the tire is like ice. So a lot of comments are like, do not do this.
Yeah, no, I mean, I genuinely appreciate everyone's concern. But my first concern was chill on the
fucking, the hype of California, the panic tires, chill on that a little bit. And a lot of people got
a lot of like, TikTok clout by fucking scaring everybody. Yeah, so don't do that.
Kyle951, what do you think about the inflated prices of 360 and 430 challenges? I think you're
using the wrong term. I think you mean 360 challenge stradales and 430 scuderias. I don't think
we're talking about the actual race cars, which is what a 360 challenge and a 430 challenges. So
street cars, even F1 gearbox cars are seeing 500k values, a point of parliamentary procedure,
Kyle951, all 360 challenge stradales and all 430 scuderias are F1. There are no manuals.
These cars are seeing 500k values. I understand rare and they don't make them like they used to,
but have people realize what they bought, etc. Okay, here's a couple of things that are happening.
One is Ferrari is not selling desirable product new right now. The hybrid stuff isn't really going
over that well with their base. The luce is not helping. They're not selling these sort of analog
cars that a lot of folks are seeking at the very high end right now. They're really all in on the
techie shit. And I'm going in a week and a half to drive the 849 spider. So we'll see how they've
evolved that platform. But also there are a lot of people that are about Zach and I's age
in their 40s, whose parents are dying and they are inheriting seven to eight to nine figures.
Blue chip collector cars are now considered among many high end financial planners to be
safe assets. And if someone is dying and leaving their child, let's just make up a number 50 million
dollars, which is a crazy number, but like shit, it's happening. Also the fucking stupid ass SpaceX
IPO and any number. I would say the market in general. The But also there
are a lot of people and my financial planners have told me about this, where people are inheriting
money and they're going, look, if I'm going to invest, I'm inheriting 50 million, I'm going to go,
I'm going to put 5 million in cars today. John Tamarian. John Tamarian will get a call
from somebody that just got a huge inheritance. And he's going, they're going, I've got 10,
20 million to spend right now, which is a crazy thing to be thinking about, but it is happening.
And so a lot of these analog cars, even the F ones, because a lot of younger people don't
necessarily want to drive sick as well, but these are blue chip cars. They're collectible.
And if, if these folks have inherited money and they're, they're willing, they want the color
they want, they want the miles they want, they want the blue chip, they all kind of want it around
the same time they're willing to spend. If you're looking to invest a long term car portfolio
of 5 or 10 million dollars, paying 100 over for the car you want, isn't actually that unreasonable.
Yeah. And they made 1200 Ferrari 360 CSs. So there's not that many of them. I mean,
it's just like, it's like anything else. You got more people that have way more money,
the nostalgia play of, you know, people from the 80s and 90s, they have the money now,
and they didn't make a ton of these. And like the people that bought all the GT3s in the world,
who also like Ferraris go, oh, I can get one of these.
Yeah. And it went from cars, you know, I buy cars that I read about in the magazines and had
the posters. Now it's cars you were playing in Gran Turismo, cars you saw, the Stig ripping on
Top Gear, it's stuff like that. And so I, and also the, the inflation has, has warped this as well.
For sure. Five, a car that was 500k, all other things being equal five or six years ago was
380. Right. You know, and 10 years before that was two something. So, so it's, it's,
we need to adjust all expectations for today's reality. Inflation is like 4.8% right now,
which is a new record. It's great. Cool. It's good. So just Biden's the president, right? Yep.
Yeah. Cool. Okay. Cool. Uli Konkel's Autobahn, I'm going on a PCH road trip doing 4,700 miles.
What is your preferred radar detector and setting? Do you also use Waze or another app for redundancy?
Yes, I do. I use the Valentine two set to advanced logic mode with X band disabled,
and I use Waze for redundancy. And that is a pretty good way to go about your life,
to be honest with you. I even during the road and track events, we use the Raleigh's app,
which is the, it's an app where you can make custom routes, like with more
waypoints than you can do in Google Maps. Like if you really, if you wanted to make a route
for a group of people like Raleigh's is a pretty good app for that. And so, but it doesn't do car
play. So what I do is I have my car phone mount on my windshield, and I have the Raleigh's app on
my phone. I then do the destination to the next major waypoint through Waze on car play.
So I have not only the cops and whatever, but I have a real time backup route if the roads are
closed or whatever. So I'm running two GPS at the same time from the same phone. That's the move.
But like that's for groups. Oh, here's the question. What happened? Christian says the Buzz
Lightyear GT3RS has light year tires. Is this the only time original tires actually had value?
Is it a good year thing that says light year? That's pretty cool. If it does, that's sweet.
I just saw somebody with a good year with a GT3RS that came with good years on it,
and he said he really liked them. I hadn't, I didn't know that GT3RS came with a good year
tire option. Here is the Buzz Lightyear 993. Dude, I kind of like it. I kind of like this color
scheme. I mean, it's like wonky and cartoony, but like it's kind of fun. I think the, I think
where they place the green is pretty cool. Yeah. It's just not my color scheme. White interior.
Excellent. White buckets, huh? There's a Woody 9-11. That's really funny. What is that? Oh, that interior is cool.
Oh, that interior is dope, dude. Is that a cow print car? Yep, floor mat. Cow print, floor mat. Get the
fuck out of here. Dude, I like this one. The Woody is better. That's not good. What is, which,
I don't know what that was. Oh, this is all for the Toy Story 5 for me. That's very, that time it was
very strange looking. It says he ha, but I do like these cow print floor mats, man. There you go.
Wow. There's a lot happening in this photo. This intake. That's too much. Yeah. I'm not,
I'm not that into it. Yeah. I think that's the runway by Donnie's. I think that's the runway
by Donnie's. Yeah, I think so. I mean, actually, Bobby Reed, Reed Red says, for my 60th, my wife's
organizing a weekend rally with my friends in August. We're renting a big house, oh, near the Sun
Katie a resort in, can you pronounce that? Cleelum. Cleelum. Cleelum. I don't know. We passed this.
We passed Cleelum on the, on our route and I was like on the radio, anybody know what to
fucking say that? Well, it's a Cleelum. It's a Cleelum. Yeah. Oh, can you recommend any can't
miss roads? Yeah, I just told you, Stevens, Stevens Canyon Road. Go up to Mount Rainier.
Beating my M3 AT says I have a daily E92 M3. I've put 100 K miles on it in nine years. I've modified
it. I recently bought a truck to daily and I've been contemplating getting something new. So a car
under 70 or 80 K that would offer a similar or better than my M3 experience, similar or better
experience to my M3 stock or modified 997 C2S C6 Z06 R8 V8 manual. Dude, 70, 80. I mean,
that's, those are, that's a good list. I think the tough thing is what is better? Like how modified
is this person's car? Is it a track oriented car? Anything, any of these ones you get into other than
the C6 will probably feel lazy. But, but on the same token, you could hop into something like the
997 engines in a different place, different type of experience. Like that could be a total departure
because all the other cars are V8s and you have one of those already. So that might be kind of fun.
Get the 98 K might get you a 991 also, Carrera S, which would be very nice.
You could also get a C7 Grand Sport. You could also get a Cayman GT4.
Cayman GT4 might be your move. That might be. Yeah. Cayman GT4, good condition, stock miles,
comfort seats is, could be your move. That would be very nice. You don't have it, or you don't have
a daily, you get a 98 ones, you do have a daily, you get a 981 spider also. That would be the
shit. R8 V8 manual could be fun. Not so exciting. Not that exciting. Not as exciting as it looks,
but fun. Yeah. You could also get a Viper. Exciting. Exciting. Exciting. You have to do the perfect
height to be able to see out of it, but very exciting. Be careful. I don't know about that.
Wheat City Night Court says, my story about the Snoop show last week made me wince. You call
yourself an urbanist and you cringed at attending an event with no parking. You recoiled at taking
a bus with citizens, bro. Not a good look. I don't think that's the right takeaway from that.
I didn't cringe at attending an event with no parking and I didn't recoil at taking a bus with
citizens. What I was talking about was this temporary venue was built in a very inaccessible
area. It's not like the venue is in the middle of a walkable neighborhood. The venue is out at
the end of a fucking industrial pier and there's nothing near it at all. You have to be, I'm not
talking about taking the bus. I'm talking about a disorganized system of charter buses
that has like, that had a like a fucking zigzag thing, you know, like to go through it that was
like 20 or 30 zigzag. I mean, it took, people were talking about taking hours to get out of this venue.
I'm extremely pro walkable neighborhoods. I'm extremely pro having certain parts of cities
have restricted vehicle traffic in favor of pedestrians. I am absolutely in favor of all
that shit of a human first infrastructure, but I don't think that that is quote, not a good look
to say that a 15,000 seat amphitheater temporarily built in an area that's very inaccessible
is bad. The system, there's one way in one way out. Yeah. So then it's not like
there was a stadium where you could take a train in a subway, a bus cab, like multiple
methods from multiple directions that helps people's ingress. I'm not talking about parking in Madison
Square Garden. Right. If I cringe, if I went to Madison Square Garden and fucking bitched about
the parking, I would be such a shit back. If I wanted to go to a stadium like in any city, even
if I was going to SoFi, like I wouldn't, I won't park it. I'm not taking a fucking car to SoFi.
I'm taking my Vespa or an Uber or there isn't, there, train isn't an option for me and bus
wouldn't be helpful. But, but I'm not parking there, but like, or MSG, but like this is a
temporary venue built like. Defectively on an island. Far. And there's one, there's one bridge
to it. So you can't walk to it from a different spot. Yeah. It's not like it's not like me complaining
about some grudges about like me complaining about Randall's Island, which is in Randall's Island
is an island in the East River of Manhattan between Manhattan and the other borough Brooklyn,
probably if I, my geography is correct, but maybe Queens, it's, it's in the middle and they would
have the Vans Warp Tour. There's a stadium there. We'd have a lot of concerts there and like,
there's like the exit is like off the bridge. Like if there wasn't parking on this particular
venue, it wouldn't make me like a bad urbanist for claim complaining about it. That's the only way
to get there. It was actually the problem is that the buses have a monopoly on this particular area
on this particular venue. So really we're speaking against the lack of choice for the citizen. It
was a more than what you have boats, canoes, helicopter. Well, there were boats. Really. Well,
there's a water taxi that goes to the venue. Oh, cool. I read on the thing later that it was two
hours to get one to leave. And it's like a three minute ride. Yeah. There was a, Hannah was very
curious about the logistics of this. We left halfway through the second set because we were
like, this is going to become a fucking problem. We got our Uber, it picked us up in the Uber area
and it was fine. It was totally fine. No problem. We were reading later, you know, posts on next
store from people who went and said, yeah, the show ended at 11 and I got home at 1am because of
the bottleneck of getting out of the venue and the fucking buses. I do not think that has anything.
I think that's an unfair call out based on an inaccurate representation of my complaints.
Yeah. I mean, they'll have to learn. Remember when our Nino went to the ECS?
EDC. EDC. Yeah. 10 years ago. Yeah. And he's like, it took four hours to get home because there
was one line for buses and taxis in the middle. And you couldn't walk back to the strip. Yeah.
So everyone just stood on the side of the road. They figured that out. So like with this, they
need to figure out how to get people in and out more quickly. Sure. And like, if the venue wasn't
down on that like peninsula by the Queen Mary and it was instead in Long Beach over by where the
racetrack is, I'd have just fucking walked. You're like, well, this is, it's like, yeah, you put all
the parking in a normal place and then you put the venue two miles from it. Like that's not an
urbanist problem. That's like a logistical fucking problem for that many people. Like sorry,
I believe in people first fucking urbanism. Sorry, I do. That's unfair. Now I become SEO death.
Among the different mediums in which you give opinions, YouTube, podcast or road and track,
which has the biggest effect on people's buying decisions? YouTube. Yeah. YouTube. So the comment
I'm from people is always, I bought this car from your review. And then I get horribly anxious
about the pressure. I'm like, I hope you like the car. If you don't like the car, that's a good
look. That's way more frequent than, we heard you talk about it on the podcast. Because the video,
you can see the car. That's how people get excited. You know, see the picture. The podcast is,
you keep me company on my commute. I do a lot of road trips. You know, I feel like I'm hanging
out in the room and like, we love all that shit. But when it comes to the question of
which one leads to the buying funnel, it's the YouTube. Oh, historically. Right? Yeah. Historically.
Yeah. Yeah. That's our show. That's everything and anything. All that we know. That's everything I
know about it. And I've been out. It is a bad urbanist because the parking Snoop Dogg show
wasn't good. I hope they smooth that out because the idea of going to an amphitheater with the
Queen Mary in the background is like pretty cool. And I would go to more shows and get a room at
the Queen Mary. So we can walk over there. They need like a gondola. No, no, no. They'll have to
build a second way to get to the island. Like a big ferry? Like a, like, because it's a water tax.
It's like a boat that holds like 30 people. It's normally not even such a short distance.
But it's like a 30 minute loop and there's only two boats. Just get to the Army Corps of Engineers
to show with one of those boats that is a bridge, you know, and it like unfolds. You just use that.
Can we, maybe we can borrow Pete Davidson and, and what's his name? Colin Yost's Staten Island
ferry. They have what? Pete Davidson and Colin Yost from Saturday Night Live bought,
because they're dumb, a decommissioned Staten Island ferry. To do what? Don't know. Just to hang out on.
They were, they were, they were going to turn it into a restaurant. They were going to turn it
into a hotel. They were going to turn it into like a party venue. It's since just been, I don't know,
they're probably doing something with it, but I don't like know what, but they own it for sure.
All right. Good luck. Right. I mean, they're like pretty rich. So they should like
be able to figure it out. I mean, this is, it is objectively better. They bought it for $280,000.
Yeah. For some people that have been on TV for a while, that's fine. Yeah. That's pretty funny though.
I would make it my home. I would live on the dopest houseboat you've ever fucking seen in your life.
I wouldn't because I bet it's like to get to it, to go down that dock through two chain link fences,
punch in a code. What if you want to go get coffee? Like this thing's not living right next to all
your favorite stuff in the city. Now you have a Vespa, but in the winter, you've been to, like we've
been to docks, even in like the ones with the trips we've done. Things are a little bit of a walk.
And I imagine your park next to a police boat and two shipping containers, you know, and you're like,
commercial dock. You're not in like the baller yacht dock. You're at the shitty ass,
you know, but you could, you could make that. I mean, so sick. You could have the sickest fucking
house floating mansion for only $9 million on top of it. You know, it'd be funny if you drove this
to like fancy New York, Hamptons, Connecticut and just park in front of the fancy houses,
like an RV in a nice neighborhood. And you're like, I love your tune now.
Shitters full. Exactly. It's Christmas vacation. Well, that's when, when you and I
raid the Pebble Beach Concor in fucking dinghies, that's what it's going to be.
Yeah. I don't think it moves. It has to be towed. It does not have a power train.
All right. You have a floating box. That's what you got. I hope that you saw some fun with it. I do.
Steel though. It'll last a long time. I believe our, are we recording a show in between now and
when I leave? We are, right? I mean, to, to show tomorrow, to show tomorrow. I'm not leaving tomorrow.
I'm leaving Monday for a day. I don't know. Either, either we have another show, which is possible,
or my next show will be from Nashville, Tennessee with Matt Quick, who is doing the power train
swap in the fucking Benzito. And who is also the guy who was sort of the go-to for doing manual
transmission swaps in Los Benzitos. And so we'll be talking to him about what it actually takes
to turn an E 55 power train into the power plant for a 1995 Mercedes convertible,
as well as, you know, what the story is on manual swapping AMGs. Because I think that's,
there's a lot of value in manual swapping AMG cars for, for driving, I think for sure. That's the
show. See you next time. Bye.
About this episode
A Pacific Northwest road trip and track-day recap kicks things off, starting with “my trip across the Pacific Northwest in the BMW M5 Touring.” Along the way, they talk scooter delivery and break-in/service intervals, then get deep on track details like chicanes, “bus stop” braking, and how tires and traction modes shape lap limits. The conversation widens into rally training, Porsche/Alfa manual-swap projects, and California’s tire efficiency rules—especially how the rolling-resistance focus should leave room for DOT street-legal track tires.
Matt Farah is back from the amazing Road & Track Experience through the Pacific Northwest and has tales of rally school, track driving, and one of the best roads in the U.S.; after 600 miles in the BMW M5 Touring, has his negative of it opinion changed?; an alleged insider updates us on the California tire drama.
Patreon questions include:
Should you throw away factory run-flat tires?
Will they ever stop OTA updates for older cars?
Without cars, would we review horses or wagons?
Would enthusiasts love the Genesis GV70 if it had a manual?
Best/worst automatic shifter of all time
Sporty cars similar to a Z4 M Roadster
Can you mod your car TOO much?
Will Cybertruck owners buy Ferrari Luces?
How to assign a price to a driving experience
A watch to celebrate with
F/M/K: NY Pizza/Philly Cheesesteak/NY Bacon Egg Bagel Sandwich
And more!
Recorded June 17, 2026
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