Manuals vs Autos

Welcome to car, talk with met EJ.

Another Tuesday night, more Carla Toby's tonight.

We've got a big, big topic. I mean, this is probably the the

Tommy that gets all current easiest.

See what all people in general, really?

On edge about our manuals did and is an automatic, a better option. So, tonight in the studio, I'm

joined with Jason Mewes. What's going on?

Hey, gun, and Alan. What's going on, dude.

Nothing much. I'm just happy to be here and

you there is something. I'll give a quick shout out.

Congratulations to my uncle and aunt on the birth of their second son. There you go.

Community big cattle, congratulations.

Yeah. And name Revere revered and he's

got a jostle roller who is about 3?

And Sure, they both fight for my love, you going to be the cool uncle, right? Like I am.

I'm already the old one ha ha. He plays Need for Speed

Underground 2. That is a good game that there

is a there's like one of the last native speakers.

But that was really good. It was like it was like that

most one was pretty. I like Most Wanted approach.

It was good, I do it pro street and then everything I was like oh well she shift was okay the first shift and I just went downhill after that I'm becoming was enjoyable in terms of the car fabrication. Yeah.

Yeah, which one was prostrate. It was like, the, like, the

first Venture into, like, like racing simulation writing but like, you know, like on track and stuff.

Parser was like, art way after that, turn into.

Yeah, that turned into shift, but then we had it was still carrying out and I was like that, they work with the burnout team and they create. Yeah.

So it kind of what kind of Haywire after it just turned it to burn out. Yeah.

Well dude, they be like this was what I did a comparison of Nevis been on the ground. Two verses.

It's like the latest and even Speed game and in every aspect of the game Nevis been on the going to kill it.

That is how bad the new neighbors be to become.

You know what? There wasn't a you couldn't

drive manual in the last David Spade, what?

Yeah. Like I don't drive manual and

are in. I think that's stupid.

What the hell is Davis face? Is the latest news for see those

shown at E3 because that they kind of truck a semi truck driver, 250 kilometers an hour. And one thing I would like, if I

don't know, if it's already exists is a very nice texture.

Pack HD texture pack. Yeah, I'm going to because I've

got it on PC well and I was very much enjoy, it took some HD texture. So easy to have you do James and

I always talk about games that they should redo and the Bible I haven't exactly the same as they are just with like a little bit better yet tidy up the graphics here and there Yeah.

I mean they've got to be another.

They've done it with so many games.

You know you get HD trilogies of stuff so it's like they didn't pretty good job Crash Bandicoot yeah that should just do it with Need for Speed. You know the first three need

for speeds and then underground and then like or at the very least if you're not going to you know, remaster them just re-release them like in their current form but just so it's easier to play on current gen consoles because game game, preservations really terrible, like movies, you can Generally find you know, streaming or DVDs on that done that difficult to find but games it's like if you don't have at re and you can't find an old copy of a game used to like that's it it's all over.

It's gone. Like sorry to cut you off there

James EA is on. Doesn't these are not my words

they just known to be somewhat scum but yeah is happening among the game yesterday and one of the things I guess you could say is They promoted? It was Need for Speed World I

believe. Which is a little online gaming

that was once again microtransactions yeah I suck it in. I bought him having any for

about five dollars. You know, it was my own money

and I felt like a g kind of the hard way.

He keeps you know selling yeah I wasn't everything kind of win and they left Walker back to giving you something nice like yeah just realistic. It's unfortunate.

But yeah that's why the too many games are molded to multiplayer Focus. Now you don't get good

singleplayer, I'll link you guys.

I shall always important when our Facebook page that guy's comparison of the two games. I mean like even leave his feet

on the ground to have everything.

It was like it was to me on a perfect game.

You could even Dyno tune your car.

You could adjust his suspension and a maid differences into it.

Was there and you could, you could like, take over what your neck that game came out what like, 2005 or year to be interviewed about 2,000. Yeah.

Just 5740 came up when we were in, which is ancient in gangster. Yeah.

But you know, it's hard, that's what I'm saying is like the game so old and yet you can do all that stuff that they deliberately removed from new games because of reasons, dude, you know, I was playing it because I bought it for the original Xbox. Yeah, and I was playing on way

my Xbox. XT and it took part of progress

through the game. You need to get like a like a

star rating on your car like of looking like coolness.

And by this stage, all these, all these like, you know, fast fuel cell cars, like out that I had my colleagues super clean.

And I'm like, what kind of progress?

My are crap. I've got haven't made it yet,

but I still need more decals to get into your Like 2, Fast 2, Furious frame. Of mind tells and Spinners.

Yeah, yeah. But they had Hummers, you know,

you know he should have done W, WR D what would Roman do it?

Jake made more purple, flake paint.

Bloody velour interior Hydraulics Hydraulics.

I need to change your lights and that game in the In the truck clanks engine for sure. Dude, it was honestly a sick at

me on in your engine bay. You gotta do what you gotta do

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You back on car, talk with many Jay still in the studio with element James. We are talking all things

manual, this automatic. But before we get to that, we'll

finish on our on our little game.

Talk about Need for Speed. I bought, do I love them.

Neither Speed Most Wanted the original one.

Yeah, I thought I was one of the best games.

Like one of us needs to be. They were made, it was fun.

I had. And I had a Cheesy storyline,

but at the only four speeds do and it was, it was a fun game, and I really thoroughly enjoyed that game.

So, now a few years later, the games got disappointing.

And then they said, ah, we bring him back Most Wanted.

And I'm like, okay, I actually enjoyed this game.

So I went and bought it because everyone's like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be like, it's even a, even a were saying, oh, it was, To be like a, you know, back to Roots. Yeah, they have a Speed.

Most Wanted played it. After 20 minutes, I put this

back in the box and took it back to where I bought it from and I'm like this is crap. This is just, it's rubbish.

You can you just pull over and you drop into another car.

I'm like is this what? It's like had nothing at all to

do with the original? Most when it was most terrible

game they wouldn't they want to give me my money back, don't know. That will know what they were.

They offered me the swap because they assumed that I would have used the codes moment. I haven't used the courage

Avenues, anything. I'll we can trust you on.

That doesn't stop them before. So what dude, I was always like

arguing like and I don't like that guy.

Because I work in retail I'm like, dude I have no honestly just put the game in and it's a terrible game.

I've not know. You can even try the code and

see that they're they're not used and that was all we can do.

So, I took the game home and it set there collecting data for the past about four years. And every time I look at it, I

feel sick cause I'm not disappointed, how bad that game was happened to you, is Gran Turismo as well.

Gran Turismo, yet Gran Turismo. 5, I bought like the $300 cash

in later models. SOS and everything terrible.

Yeah, and nothing they hate when they're removed and they talk.

So, So long to make it as. Yeah.

And they took it, the typhoon. Why would you take it?

The title. It's okay.

GTI to remove the remove things without replacing it with anything like so is going can't just take stuff out.

It's ridiculous that somebody just like, like, like stupid little cars and like, and little nausea.

I like a cars in that but I had something just dumb cars at without weren't needed and it really kind of it really annoys me and like I said, that's kind of why car games are really struggling these days. And there's not many good ones

as somebody who was, I mean, like fours, I still enjoy the holding it down. They are all in terms of just

like your general easy to play. Like a fun driving games Force

has been at the Forefront for, I think a while now.

Yeah. And I think one of the biggest

hits It's as well. They did was sort of horizon.

Yeah. Well they did it put it into I

guess the more arcade kind of feel and that's a great time.

You just driving around, I mean, number three is in Australia.

It's not very good map of Australia from honest.

That's all right. It's a big version.

Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. You can't drive with the u.s.

track. Yeah.

Like you can have a bit more of a serious race if you really want to. Yeah.

But you can also just have a lot of fun.

And, and if you really want a simulation, right?

And you go straight to the regular Portal Games?

Yeah, I mean, I mean there's other big most like other proper simulators as well. But in terms of those

situations, you start getting the thrustmaster around, you know, wheels and pedals and shift kids as well.

Which becomes an expensive habit.

Does it coming? See what?

It's a good hobby and and something that should be applauded, but anyway, enough Need for Speed hate.

Well, yeah, we should do an episode Just Need for Speed.

Yeah. Like the best ones and and the

worst ones and argue that where we can probably do that in a couple weeks time well, maybe next week, if I feel up to it.

But anyway this topic has been around for a while.

I want to talk about manual is automatic, but only its, I really wanted to push it Forward tonight because Mazda have confirmed And I'll read straight off their thing.

They have confirmed that we will continue to make to build a manual gearbox. In fact, they will ascertain

their, they will be the last Japanese OEM still making cars with manual gearboxes. So that shows that people still

want the manual and I don't know, like MX-5 is, you know, like you most of the only solvent as a manual but you know in terms of just keeping a manual live it's good because let's face it manuals are dying and according to That's for example, 75% of your cars on UK were manual equipped, whereas in Australia 93% of car Satya automatics.

Those are, that is a huge, huge thing to happen to Australia.

Yeah. So the pros and cons of manuals

Well, I'm really considering I'd rather die Barracks as daily and it's a manual. I'm very much in the favor of

manuals, I feel you always more engaged with the car.

And at this point even though like it is an effort to shift gears, it's become very much as I can as you thing where I can do it without unicorn realize you don't realize you just you know going through the gears but you technically have like the most engagement with a car. Whereas whenever I do sit in an

automatic first, my foot goes to wear it a non-existent clutch.

You know, and then I realized, you know what I'm doing put into drive and I get very, yeah, almost numbed because I have to as, you know, either split CV boot.

Yes. Actually.

Had both of them split as my mechanic for me and so he took two days to fix it up in that. In the meantime I was driving

the the white turd Suzuki and it was very numbing like just driving an automatic at that point.

I just felt almost like I was falling asleep and yeah, you just not as engaged, it is. Yeah, if you're using it, as a

means of Transport, you just want to get somewhere.

It's like, I understand. But for me, I feel as dry as a

car Enthusiast. I want that engagement with a

car. I can agree that there are

certain gearboxes particular, DSG, kind, that can shift way faster than I will be able to, well, yeah, they'll be shift.

They can shift. Wasn't it?

Anywhere in the world will be able to, and I guess that's where, what would technically there are manual gearbox.

You know that, right? So, but they're in an automatic

I said, I guess, you know, there's not, you know, using a clutch, there is a clutch in the car and, you know, you're not using it and I guess that, you know, in terms of what's quicker, automatics will always be quick.

I mean, I don't know if you look at for example, times with the car and like df6 the automatics with that much quicker than the manual, because the manuals, you know, taking out if you're losing time and shifting, you're losing time, you know, in just general practice, but in terms of enjoyment Factor, you're not getting that Same thing again. Yeah it's just just mash it Mash

your foot on the pedal and you know go fast warp speed whereas in yours in a manual you can you get to row through the gears?

You have to pretend you're in Fast and Furious with with a 30,000 year, 50 blocks, just keep shifting.

If she if you do it fast and furious all you will bleed.

She's down nice face but like it's like it's your rights engagement and and it's a feel you get when you get when you hit that perfect shift, when you, when you When you want to come all the way out to the red line?

Yeah. Touch us touch limiter and into

the next gear having that control makes it makes dropping worth, while to be honest with me, and I think that's why is why I'm manuals are so important for, you know, in terms of it in terms of buying a car. Because if you want that

engaging but I totally get automatic as well.

Like I know my most romantic and it is like the perfect Cruiser, I input peak hour traffic. There is nothing worse than

being stuck in the CBD and have the clutch in class gym class.

As someone who only drives automatic and has no interest in manual at all, like because I'm not a big car Enthusiast, I'm more just here to stretch my radio muscles and to hang out with you guys. But like yeah, like just the

idea of like, for me driving. Just something to get day to be,

whereas for you guys for current dizziest, it's about the interaction with the car about the enjoyment.

So that's why Manuel makes sense for you guys.

For me. I'm just like a no interest in

it. It because I know one time we

went to the city and Matt and you were driving.

I think was the old camera. Today's veiled laser Blazer.

Yeah. And and you were like, we're

stuck in traffic. Took us ages to give you lift.

Three hours? We like bumper-to-bumper traffic

and when you got out of the car, you were limping.

Because you had the clutch that many times it was so, and I'm like, I'm never ever getting manual car.

It was like, there's no point to it.

So, like, yeah, like you were saying with the Merc, you can just cruise and suck easy. So if you have a daily that's

order, Like, if you drive to work or whatever, but then if you got like your typhoon or something, like the Rex for weekends and stuff for manual, for when you can, like, go the spur or whatever. Yeah.

That seems to make sense for me. It does.

And and, you know, like when people and people tell me, oh, I can't be bothered shifting this. Any other, like, if they live in

the city, and as far my kid, I'm like I totally get automatic sand and then, and that's what they're there for.

Yeah. But they're not, they're not a

lazy way out there. Just a more, you know,

practical, practical, practical thing, and, and that's why most people are getting a license to say.

I'd only get automatically get in one of my classes.

Like what you want to sip your light into your makeup at the same time? I'm not hating.

I'm doing I was watching a video on YouTube and on Facebook.

Someone that someone posted it is what was what?

It was when Mr. Bean was I'm getting dressed in the in his

car. Yeah.

So did he manage to like shift gears and everything and Rowan Atkinson's, a motoring appear. So he's probably like, tried to

do it himself and they're like, no, no you can't.

That's really why the f McLaren F1.

Excellent? Yeah.

Yeah. I mean manuals.

For me, like, I'll always on the menu car, no matter what.

Like I will happily have an automatic.

Yeah, I've had to minimize my camera wasn't on Eric.

Yeah, my mercs on automatic and you know, I enjoy driving automatics because you know sometimes I said sometimes in that peak hour traffic they they were their gods in like it but then you get but then like when you take them out on the open road and stuff you you're waiting for that kick down and so they can get a bit boring. I mean the kind of dsg's kind of

like resolve that because you've still got like full functionality like, you know, you can shift.

Downshift up. Squeeze you want to but still

you're losing that mechanical connection with the Volkswagen DSG. Yeah, I've had a bit of an issue

where I guess, I'm not like I'm expecting more of a direct contact fuel the car. Yeah.

And because it's all drive-by-wire.

And obviously the gearbox sometimes, get very frustrated to the point where, you know, the car won't go when I wanted to go. So I'm pushing the throw down

even more and then it has to do something weird with the gearbox and shadows and jerks and it's not Experience as a user.

See that's what I think D is G's like all I can dual clutch transmissions in gear button in just everyday.

Cars are pointless. I really really honestly don't

like him because you know they roll back.

They they're not an automatic. Yeah.

Like if you want to buy an automatic just have a conventional Auto most conventional.

Although these days are like like really, really good.

I mean, you get like a ZF in like a Ford or even Garrett like Jags and stuff. There are, there is good if not,

there is good as a That was quick as I should say to shift as a like, a DSG but they're very, very close to it and they still get that they can still feel can't they can still you know do a do a whole bunch of it's all in the calibration of the car. They still can kick down when

you want to and they and they don't jerk.

They just smooth and refined whereas it is g once they once they really up. Yeah.

Like in everyday traffic day that they're not that they're not that perfect, you know, transmission and they are we to drive like you know like I've been in one with a focus I've been in I've been in a golf with the DH if they just feel it obviously doesn't. Of a clutch pedal it's all done.

You just flick it with your other panel next to the steering wheel. Okay.

Yeah that's all it will do it automatically but they're a bit dumb with it around 10:00. I found have you lucky, you just

one of my driving was purely are just around town, just trying to get places and maybe situation, like, where you have a U-turn right against traffic. It's a kind of free time.

There's no lights. Yeah, and you need to be on the

ball. That time you judging a gap.

You say I can make it and when you think you can make it, you press your foot down the car's not going, then you present.

Too much or does the whole joke thing it gets dangerous?

It does yeah. Like yeah I don't wanna get hit.

And at that point it was my uncle's car and I said you know I don't want to try this car. Yeah, I'd rather take my own car

because I can trust it. I know how it works and you

know, I'm used to, it's driving CS system.

Yeah. And that's just a for the for

Speed. You know, / box, Lunch Box,

mate. But at least you got that.

Like the talking about it can light up straight away.

You're not waiting your as soon as you can, you can't seem to take it from, you can just roll, you know, and and that's what I reckon. You're going to buy an order.

By conventional automatic. Don't don't buy anything like a

DSG. I hate that you lifted.

A live foot off the brake and it doesn't roll like it might roll backwards. Yeah, you have to accelerate a

bit for actually get going and then gaining jerks.

And yeah then they carry I mean I mean like the latest gen of them are actually not too bad but I mean like postal really good one and the the pdk like that it's push.

Yeah. I know I need the same company.

I know. Well technically but they

apparently the pdk transmission is really really good at and every like Automotive journalist like Right, some super highly.

But like you gotta remember that like these GDs, you boxer, like the and then he's in there and he's golf's on that.

But but that APR 2015, two point nine seconds to 100, they're doing stupid speeds and, you know, it's that is great.

I mean, it's great in that actual performance aspect, but if your daily in the car and it's jerking, you around, like everywhere you going and just kind of missile by manual.

But as well. I mean I mean, in terms of, if

you're going to get an automatic, I'd for me, I always choose. I can just prop it automatically

like anti-torque inverted automatic?

Yeah, not not something like that because like what?

I know they've had their issues in the past and to honor that I know a lot of them have been really, really rectified in that. They're really good.

But if I want, if I want an automatic, I want an automatic.

And if I want a manual, I want a manual, you know, it's that fine line between the two And I guess the other argument to make is that cvts like I think we're to believe they very much hamstrung the CV T2 like to ensure that the consumers have that feel of gear shifts, they kind of built in their own ratios with a CVT.

Where is the ultimate value of the CBT was it would constantly change. The ratio constant, its

constant, very costly again variable transmission, so I could cost legally, that's what it is.

The gear ratio as the engine revs at Peak horsepower, Peak torque but still instead of that, a lot of Manufacturers, what they did was they tuned the kind of crush me like mimicking.

Yes, yes, yeah. Well there's would drop down and

let it climb up again, drop down where it's really what you want to get that ultimate CVT power out of it.

It's holding rose that seven thousand, six and a half thousand wherever you get that mean.

Torque and horsepower. Yeah.

And just have the car. Just changing the ratio

constantly that will give you the best acceleration of the best performance but because you must don't think the cars going anyway. Yeah.

Is this an issue that Cause working right and around town.

They can be, they can be very funny.

I know and they have their issues to Philly fan of My Buddha. Oh, he's been on the show that

they bought a Corolla, and all of a sudden just down changed, like suddenly. And, you know, just be there,

just weird, you know, it, what, why do car companies make things? So hard, just make it was just

having automatic and have a whoever make it being.

But I like, dude, I honestly, get every kind, every single aspect of them. And, and, and they make sense.

But, but for me, you know, It'll be me, just enjoyment and to know that I'm controlling a kind when, when you drive a car you have to drive a car. You do.

Yeah. You're not going to be just a

passenger. And, and every time I drive and

I'm like, I get I give one, I get bored, really, really quick to you know, I don't Italian tend to focus as well because with a manual, I'm always like, focusing on, don't like if shifting gears or well or doing something mechanical with the car being like, I guess, I guess what, with a manual car, your kind One with the car because you're you know you're this you're that word again engagement.

It is something you don't get in an automatic.

You definitely don't get certain humming kind of feeling you just like oh I'm on my way you know, might fall asleep.

Ideally you don't. But yeah, I mean and like that

like the speed fan boys would be like all but the shoe fast own and then like and they do and yeah, all the quickest cars in the world are, you know, or automatic power, you know, like music like Powerglide transmission and stuff.

So they that, you know, they just, you know, Shift have long, you long gearing and you know and and do well, but in terms of their fun fact, I like there's nothing better than getting on a windy road and like whining, you know, running through the gears up and down and and you know, touching the red line and into the next gear. And it's it's it's getting that

field that that it's feedback from a car and even like General driving. I'm not condoning this or

saying, I do this regularly, but say, you'll Mexico, you're sick.

You say you're in, you know, just just a group of friends driving around And you have a car that goes whoosh, you know, like this, where is he really? You'll you struggle to this an

automatic in the in the manual. I can just take the revs up

about 1,000 to 1,500 more and I'll get that nice little whoosh next year, wish again. You know, where's with the

automatic? Also be struggling really, to

kind of do that to change gear. Yeah.

And being being the most, I guess, fuel-efficient way, yeah, and if I want to go back to my regular over just yet just conference time, nice and easy, you know, shift leaner, 1500 rpm lower, no sound at all, or a little bit of sound, but but it's very much a nice little control way.

If you do want to have a fun drive not, not necessarily spiritual drive, just a fun drive as well.

It's, you know, it is very much possible with many where you be struggling. Do anything close to a with the

automatic. Yeah, and I guess like menu menu

drops of all. I got are these down here.

See if they feel like pretty old-school into your car's you know it may try to make you a better driver like you know when you get that perfect heel toe down shift early and you learn different things on like of the car and you learn to drive it at that little bit better. It's just that it's not

engagement in that that pushed, you know, to enjoy it more.

You just don't get with those just for your automatics.

Yeah. And I think that's I think

that's a real big fact. I will.

I mean, like, most cars today sold are like, automatic, you know, I think some kind of just how automatics now like that.

That's, that is what it is, but, you know, lonely Americans.

Yeah. What a lot of Americans can't

drive manuals and, you know, but a lot of people have that become a recent anti-theft Mission. This is what I meant.

Maybe Rogers. It's gonna American anti-theft

device and just like a picture of you have a tremendous transmission. Yes, but yeah.

It's when you're driving a manual when you get it, right?

It's so much more, satisfying than an automatic.

And, you know, I guess it's that engagement that, that, that that does, like an automatic. Look, we'll get back to this.

After this short break, we're going to get back to the question. If is the manual dead and do we

think it's going to survive? So we'll come back.

I'll keep you guys in the loop of that.

We'll be right back after this song by Fleur called the only one. If I can car talk with many Jay,

we're still talking manual. Transmissions are now the big

question is are they did in terms of Australia?

I reckon they're pretty close win.

Because when we're selling 93% of cars are all I feel they are, but not just, for the reason of just consumer choice of like, not by my nose. It's also going to be a factor

of things of people can stop buying cars.

It'll be very much. We're given to a Rideshare

future. Yeah.

Where everyone would just buy shares in to possibly to be a few companies selling. I gotta shake house and run pay

maybe like a couple thousand dollars a year.

And then we just get a service where they'll call up Colony.

Phone comes to you. And then, we're gonna probably

transport and self-driving cars. I'm driving cars.

And yeah, like that. Those cars that you would

probably invest in we're probably self-driving this.

Come pick you up, leave you and that's, you know, like it'll be just people moving away from ownership of cars.

Yeah. So completely kind of losing

their responsibility about their car and I'd say Motorsport 4 I take it from that as well. Yeah, I mean like yeah, like

special Formula 1 is that that that's that's all at all on American stuff these days. But in terms of Do I think it's

dead? It all reckon.

It's very close because just because well, well, what you've just said, ride-sharing and all this as well.

But the fact is most people today, when they buy a car, they just want the convenience, they do.

And and, you know, like you and I and James and in all the convenience in a small bit, we're kind of a Dying Breed.

You know what? Like, from an outside

perspective because me, you know, just wanting convenience.

Like there's definitely the Motoring It's like you guys and you know all the car clubs and that they're definitely want the manual and we'll keep it around but it'll definitely be like a niche thing. Like like a like like you know

like collect like a collector's kind of thing, I mean.

But my having said that do James, like some cars, just have to be a manual. Like for example, I don't have a

banana GT86 with an automatic. It is terrible haven't been

GT86, you know, flat at all. Yeah, I liked her.

Yeah, this is somebody out there is gone.

Well so you know holler at you boys.

Next meet you know it gives right.

Give you a ride. But yeah.

Third they need to be they need to be a manual like MX-5 is have to be a manual. You know it's aren't all hot

hatchbacks. Have to be a manual because yeah

it's there on how to they supposed to be small fund already cars but you know like obviously luxury cars shooting at all like it's all in taste as well and if you find a Mustang has a V8 Wait, it should be a man.

Yes. I mean I'll forgive if you buy

the the EcoBoost even though, why are you?

But if you buy the EcoBoost all the convertible.

You know that can forgive an automatic but you want the V8.

You know, GT Mustang just please see.

Even as me as someone who just wants automatic like if I was to buy a Mustang I'm like there's no point in getting an automatic. It's kind of like a I just

wouldn't get one because I'm like, I know I'm not that kind of person who would like drive it automatic last thing even I'm not that lame. You know, so you can go into

crowds bunny hopping it's like dude, I totally like some cars.

They just have to be manual and but some cars like are like acting like, you know, I was just being an automatic and that's totally great. And I'd be I'd be all for that.

But I'm yeah in terms of MX-5 and in terms of, you know, stuff like that, you have to. If you're buying one as a lot of

like just what are you doing? You know, you're not getting

that Driving Experience and we know and that's why I make films are released. Like known for you know, full of

snow seats you know, City pants on the floor.

Yeah. Old-school British sports car

you know running through the gears on a great piece, right?

There's nothing better we're talking about you know car chase movies. Yeah last week I think many

what's all so what's menu? Yes.

But what's going to happen to action?

Movies in car, chase movies, if no one has to shift it's going to be less dramatic. It'll be the related on Top Gear

where he presses the traction to hold it for 10 seconds.

The most realistic car chase. I'm running.

I'm running low on fuel. Somebody just called the cops.

I'm sorry guys. So you guys can fill up.

We'll get chasing to be but yeah I just following on Transmissions have you certain a purely electric car.

I've sat in one I've never been in one.

So I've never been like driven because that's the other thing like they, at least the consumer ones come with a single gear.

Soon, driven Gear Well to source and Summit is be really.

Yeah I think the early tells law the Tesla Roadster but that was a to speed up later, okay? Because I know that the Renault

formally team, they've side to fiddle around with the to speed, okay? And they, I believe they went

back to one's feet, okay? Because they just found that.

While they were getting that extra kind of talking about at the beginning. Yeah, it wasn't worth the

complexity and like I guess efficiency losses.

Yeah. But yeah, that that would be an

interesting experience is all know gearshift.

You just, you know, the reservation.

All the electric motors, you know, it's getting faster as well. It'll be kind of like a go-kart

and that's because I've driven both like, electric go-kart Anna, Anna petrol car and like they just a single speed.

The ones I've driven anyway. And it's just like, especially

the electric, when you get that instant talk and just whining, whining, whining, whining, whining.

I just I feel like it's never going to end.

Yeah. So very much for like

engagement. Not, yeah, I mean, it's a weird

feeling like you, for example, in like the petrol go-karts.

Like, you can hear them back fire when you come up, when they come off the pedal. Dishes it was weird is freaking

thing. Like I've done it once and

they're quick, they really quick like they're fast as but it just felt weird. If I thought hollowing and yeah,

I sent a Tesla, she's what was it?

I forget that. I knew it was the one with the

little crisp anyway and it was really nice inside your big screen as though I didn't get to drive in it.

But I sat in one I'm like this is this is pretty dope.

But then I heard him take off because it was that a comment and just like nothing. It's like, yeah, like if

someone's going to hit you like if you get hit by this, you're not gonna see it coming. I think we talked about around

one of the old episodes like they're going to add like artificial engine noise to let your car so people can hear him coming. And so it sounds like you

actually going somewhere. The be a bun for the all turbo,

send it spread. So don't be so cool.

Like you download ringtones for your phone, you download agent sounds for you. That was done for a renter, I'll

believe a while back. Use what they said GTI.

Yeah and stuff, but then people would hack it.

So it makes funny noises, like, let's look at that ice cream truck or a van Joey pasta. Um, that's pretty much it, but

in terms of like, it doesn't that kind of that, that was a DSG only. That's a hot hatch.

Yeah, and I was just like, even even though I think was his name. Richard Hammond was saying the

terms of like Flappy paddle gearbox and hot ash not not as fun. Not as engaging when you compare

to like the Fiesta ST and the pressure, I think it was a 308 GTI. But yeah, it was it wasn't

wasn't as engaging and it wasn't as fun.

So that whole that whole aspect of, you know, even coming though, different ends into the car, it's still not as.

Does it feel? It doesn't feel authentic, ya?

Know, you feel like, I feel like scam.

So, what are we gonna say, where do we see the manual about 10 years during its, they're all cocky.

This is gonna be like nope or you're gonna still gonna be around 10 years, I definitely think they'll still be around and at that 15 year mark I feel they may be at the point where you know like in the original days you pay two thousand dollars extra for an automatic transmission.

You know if a two thousand dollars extra for the men.

Yeah. After that point I feel like

it'll be pretty much it. That market depends like how how

popular the electric car collector car in the ride.

Sharing systems, how they develop because they all work in sync. You know, it won't be just one

thing causing the the manager. As mission to go out, we do

definitely always still be at least from our generation, at least like an appreciable group of people that, you know, want the car experience. As long as his car enthusiasts.

There will be that kind and as they begin to die out.

It's yeah we're all told this to you.

For example, my sister, she's like ah I don't get my last Sonic. I don't drive many.

I'm going to drive a manual that I do know that, I don't know.

I'm like, all right, whatever, you know, someone someone who As well mention this previous on the show anyway.

She and her car to drive and she's like a walk and runny yolk has Michael, you know, you had the chance to drive a manual and I'm like so I started taking for some lessons around the block and Anakin a couple things and she's like holy crap this is so much fun. Like I said, I don't know why I

didn't do this in the first place.

I'm like, yes, say yes. See I tried to tell you which

ones were like household? Where people only have automatic

cars. Yeah, they all never know, they

won't ya. The only reason I knew Just in

terms of, you know what the men of our offense was because of bad parenting, really, that I was able to you know, use manual Vehicles before the age I should have been in mixture of them are in India. One.

That's kind of like mix. Yeah, he can get away with stuff

so yeah like and because of that I knew I knew that this is something special something you know, not normal that we have at home. Yeah and that's why I guess, one

of the things I really pulled me towards it and I'm glad Yeah.

And for me, menus will always be like, always have them in your car. And, you know, it's just just

that just for the experience and the shift, the sheer fact that I'm engaged with it. Like, I know, like my future

husband most likely, we'll all of them will be automatic and that, that's fine, but I will still have like a manual.

They are, like, I still, I still keep on my manual cars.

Just just to say and enjoy it, you know, to debate.

It's like Back to Basics Engineering in a lot of menus.

It's not but like you know, it's just getting that getting that feel of the cats like you have the MP3 of the song, but you always like a keep the vinyl keep the ball even if you don't listen to it that much, it's like you have to keep them on.

Well, all ended here because I'll say manuals while they might be dying especially in Australia.

And around the world like with all these things coming.

Us enthusiasts will keep them in your flag alive, and they'll always be a chance for us, mainly enthusiasts, you know, to to keep it like I do Journey. Clarkson were saying, you know,

basically man, what a mess? You've gotten so good at you.

Don't you don't really need it anymore.

Yes. And I completely agree.

The most loyal, most modern-day want to makes a great, but you still missing that factor, that engagement and engagement us.

That's the main thing that that lacks in an automatic and that's why I believe manuals to me are better, but more engaging for that In that aspect that more engaging.

But once in a while, they might not be as fast, in might be morning, they're a lot more engaging.

Anyway, it's quiz time Ellen. Well, I'll have to say I'm not

ready, but I'm never ready because you're about to run out of time. So we'll jump into the quiz.

Is the car took a quiz. Question 1.

The first hot focus in a sin for Australia, sold was what?

Artie. Come back the hunt for.

What do you mean conference? I like the first like a hot

hatchback phones. They sold Ford Focus ST.

It's these in the name. What?

I'll give you half a point. All right.

What will come back to me? Come back to that question to

Messner has committed to making one in the future?

We talked about this earlier and makes wise men transmission.

Question, 3, true or false. Corvettes have always been only

V8 False. It's those correct.

Question for the model code in. The latest Mustang is the what

is the Mustang boy? Oh, Mustang for you.

Are you you sir? We so badly.

Want to stay? I do but there's also GT as well

as websites. I got nothing on to something,

give up, give up. It's FM FM most previous code.

They didn't have them because it's the first one first.

I like that. You showed you those two, we

coat. Question. 5, the pin Tara was

made by who the Pantera was made by which car company.

Give me a hand. If I say that the first letter

you would get it done of like, what kind of country is?

Well, it's kind of a mix of a car to be honest with you.

I can't really give away too much a mix of account.

Italian Italian with American be no ditomasso.

No, no idea what that is Theta, monster pintero.

And how can you not know what can terrorists the pateras use an engine by who, It's an American engine or making company couple, Take a Hint, it's just take upon forward, it was foot, they use the Cleveland 5.8.

Good old Ford kinda heavy good old for back to up this time.

Backed you up question 7, the current Toyota 86 comes into specks. What are they details?

DTS that is correct. Question 8, the Mitsubishi fto

used what type of engine? I feel like saying is like a

tiny bit odd, but it's not like a rotary, really?

It's just, it's a bit odd in its size and its nature seven.

It was like a 1.8 or something. A little bit bigger, it'll be

too late, it's too late. It's too late to what Dilettante

a not too late a V6 to it'll be six years on.

Yeah. Question 9 who made the original

GTI hatchback. Original GTS, right?

Yes, Volkswagen. It was Volkswagen Question 10.

Will there be an AMG version of the economics class?

No, I believe they were my old be.

There is not mud will be named erosion of the Vans.

Any veto I am G63. Also, 663 Vito are question.

One, the one you skip the first hot Focus.

For the shy side, was the what you said it stays.

So it starts with sta but there's a number after it.

A of horsepower claim St. Something the pretty rare but

there are around now. Call the SVT focus in the

states. So what could you give me an

example of what can a year? This was this was it's the first

gen Focus shape. So with talking 2005 for are

2005. See me as some kind of

four-cylinder turbocharged. It was, it was in a it was, it

was an a where why we call it. Oh wait, the first hot one.

They sold it because it wasn't like that.

Is that the thing that was on The smoking Tire.

They had one where he had a crappy hand.

The guy I thought was the coolest thing ever.

Yeah, it was the black one, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

But that's called the SVT Focus. It's the same car.

But just here I want to say, had It'll be a kilowatt number is now. I was a whole span of my

husband. Mm-hmm.

It's nice. I 7 against, because it'll be,

it'll be something over 150 yards.

It was over 150 but it was less than 200.

Whoa, when I say like 186 that 170, you're right with the 7. 1

2 3 4 5 6 out of 10 horsepower numbers because the fpv is NHS, he's still always have. The 317 or the 310 335 they

have. It was because that Kawasaki ST1

17 in the UK to, I believe. So that's why.

But in that, then they wanted to the first gen Focus RS, which was pretty cool. Look, we're going to go to a

large. Red will wrap up right after

this. You back on car.

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Thank you. Thank you.

I think we settled. The manual is still in our heart

still is and will be always, will be till next time.

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