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Mexico City GP Race Review
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About this episode
The Mexico City GP delivered unexpected excitement despite a dominant win by Lando Norris. The race featured intense midfield battles, controversial steward decisions, and a frustrating late virtual safety car that ended the race under caution, sparking debate about FIA's race management. Key moments included Lewis Hamilton's penalty, Charles Leclerc's corner-cutting controversy, and Ollie Bearman's breakthrough fourth place. The championship battle tightened with Norris leading by just one point over Oscar Piastri, while Max Verstappen remains in contention. The hosts also discussed team dynamics, strategy calls, and the impact of Pirelli's tire choices on the race outcome.
Topics:
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fia decisions
virtual safety car controversy
lewis hamilton penalty
lando norris dominance
ollie bearman breakthrough
championship battle
mclaren team dynamics
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the B1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy.
Another one done, Mexico.
Wow.
I was unfamiliar with your game.
Goodness gracious me.
I was expecting after lap one, turn one to just sit back and snooze for 71 laps.
But surprisingly, I know Lando dominated and we didn't even see him the entire race.
Everything else behind was absolute carnage, Tommy.
I know Mexico City Grand Prix is usually abysmal.
I've made it very clear on a few times.
I think it's certain like track layout wise.
I think this may well be my least favorite track layout of the whole calendar.
I think it's really, really poor and it's produced some absolute stinkers
of course, the altitude makes it very difficult for overtaking as well.
And if you'd said to me that, you know, we'd have got this really, really enjoyable race,
I wouldn't have believed you, particularly if you'd missed the race
because obviously the leader won by over 30 seconds
and just completely dominated from turn one as is the norm in 2025.
But it was a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant race, really enjoyed it.
It certainly was.
We're going to get into everything.
And there's a lot of incidents to go through, by the way.
Oh, my goodness.
I can't, can't wait.
Some of them I definitely could avoid talking about because one of them is
involving Charlotte Clair.
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Here we go.
Then Mexico City Grand Prix chat.
We now have four races and two sprints to go until the end of the
season and the championship has got closer.
So first question, something we have to cover.
Not that I have overly studied the last Mexico City Grand Prix
that we've had mainly because they have been pretty poor.
But was that the best race we've ever had in Mexico?
And I'm going to say yes, because it sticks in the brain.
So much overtaking, so much chaos, lots of controversy, incidents that
were penalized and incidents that weren't.
It kept us guessing all the way literally to the last lap.
Yeah, definitely.
I don't think it's a contest personally.
We've seen the Mexican Grand Prix deliver or the Mexico City
Grand Prix, whichever it decides to be each year.
But we've seen the circuit kind of deliver lap one chaos and its fair
share of drama, but it normally comes on, as we said, lap one.
And then the rest of it is pretty boring with no very minimal
overtaking and a very easy one-stop.
But look, it threw everything into the mix.
We had different strategies.
We had surprise midfielders up at the front, which we'll
talk about lots of chaos, lots of drama, lots of controversy.
Oh, it was just brilliant.
It's one of the races of the season.
And I cannot believe I'm saying that.
And Landon almost won by 30 seconds and you're telling me
it's one of the races of the season.
It's definitely up there, for sure.
Just purely the midfield, midfield, I guess, from second
place down, delivering massively.
Now, we head to my most memorable moment.
And it's a big one.
A lot of people are quite angry with how the race ended.
We all hate a race ending under a safety car.
We'd love a safety car or a VSC up until about six or seven
laps from the end, and then it can jog on.
That's essentially how it works, because then we're in the
danger zone, aren't we?
We're in the danger zone of the race is going to end
neutralized or end any battles that we were having.
Well, we had a very late virtual safety car, didn't we?
Where Carlos Sainz loses the car in the stadium section,
spins 180, hits the wall, I think gets a right rear puncture
from that, and then he does this kind of crabbing walk
with the car to this little exit road.
And the car is pretty much completely off, not just
the circuit, but out of any firing line.
The only way Carlos Sainz's car is getting hit is if
someone decides to do Mexico City Grand Prix backwards.
Yes, you're so accurate, because the only way you go around
that very tight corner, and then you'd have to spear off,
but you're going so slowly that you're not going to hit it
at any speed, so it absolutely makes no sense, does it?
At all.
It's ridiculous.
You're fuming.
I am fuming.
I'm absolutely fuming.
I was annoyed anyway, and I was a little bit, you know,
like my thought process here was, and we'll go into this
in my most memorable moment when we talk about it later,
but Max had good fortune in that race for sure.
So a little bit after the incident, I was like,
I think he has to count his lucky stars a little bit
from the way that race went for him.
I'd have taken P3 all day long at the start,
but when I went on Twitter and saw the replay
of Carla Sainz driving into the exit road, you know,
that the only reason to like, say you'd done like more laps,
right, all the stewards would have done is push the car
into the exit road.
So Carla Sainz did the job for them.
So why they had to do that made absolutely no sense,
and it was so frustrating not just as a Max fan,
but as a person that wants to see racing,
because you didn't, it wasn't even just Max.
You had Piastri going after Bearman.
They're incredibly close.
They both got within DRS into those final laps,
and we were going to potentially see two moves
on the final lap of the Grand Prix,
which is the absolute dream for, you know,
for Formula One fans that won an exciting race
when the racing is going right to the end.
And it was literally like pressing a button,
being like, no fun allowed.
We're not allowed to do this now
because it didn't need to happen.
It just did not need to happen.
And that is what's so frustrating about it.
Right, let's get into a question then from P1PatreonMember.
Mercedes on top.
Was this another choke job by the FIA?
Feel like the VSC at the end wasn't needed
and some questionable calls at the start.
We've not had a good old rant about the FIA for a while,
have we?
Decisions.
We've had the odd decision here that we've questioned,
but I feel like this one was a catastrophic
error of judgment on many parts.
Now, of course, the first one we've mentioned
is the virtual safety car,
which we are both in agreement
was not the right decision.
A double-waved yellow sorts that no problem.
You don't need to neutralize the entire track
for a car that is halfway in the exit road.
You just don't.
Like, come on, guys.
I know there's safety,
but that's literally what a double-waved yellow is about.
A double-waved yellow is slow and be prepared to stop.
I don't think Max Verstappen was prepared to stop
when he gained half a second on Charles Leclerc
in the stadium section and was within 6 tenths
going into 10-1.
However, the actual job of the stewards,
sorry, the FIA is to make sure,
and the race director is to make sure that
the track is at a safe point
and I think that was more than enough
to do a double-waved yellow for that.
We then go to Liam Lawson
at the start of the race.
Liam Lawson, I believe in the first couple of laps,
wasn't shown on television,
hence why perhaps only the select few
that are looking on social media know this even happened.
But Liam Lawson, heading into turn one,
he obviously had a pretty poor start.
I think he had to pit very early, didn't he?
Yeah, so he was behind the whole pack.
Yes, he was behind the whole pack
and two marshals, at least two,
at least the ones we've seen,
were sent out on track to pick up the debris,
the carnage from lap one.
Liam Lawson is entering turn one
and he very narrowly misses these two marshals
that are running across the track.
There are so many variables here
that could have ended in utter disaster.
Perhaps a marshall seeing a car coming
and freezing rather than continuing to run.
So many things could have happened there.
Lawson, of course, commits to going the way
in which he thinks the marshals aren't
but that is not a decision
that a Formula One driver needs
and should be making during a race.
I'm sorry, and I know that it makes sense, right?
If the entire field are on the other side of the track,
they can fly out a marshall to pick up a bit of debris
but that is an insane oversight
to not realize that a car is out of the pack
and coming into turn one.
That's a VSC every single day of the week.
They are literal human lives at stake here
and that one is the biggest choked job of them all.
You know, we talk about the VSC,
we talk about the championship and this that and the other.
Put that aside, this is people's safety
and the marshals do a hell of enough as it is for this sport
to make sure it continues to run the way it does
that that was simply unacceptable.
Yeah, it was an insane moment
and it's a massive...
I hope they investigate this.
I don't think it's not even too extreme to say
that they need to have a good look at this
and find out why it happened
because you can't just assume
that because the whole pack has gone past
that a car isn't going to be on their own.
The only incident that springs to mind here
is when Esteban Ocon pitted at Baku for that final lap
and they just kind of did their usual podium proceedings
and didn't think about another car
and they just set everything up.
They need to have these systems in place
where they can clearly understand
because for whatever reason
these marshals have clearly had the information
or as far as they're concerned
that the whole pack is on the other side of the track
so we're absolutely fine.
And that wasn't the case
and you've hit the nail on the head
that the marshals, these are volunteers putting their lives at danger.
They shouldn't be putting their lives at danger
but they obviously were in this situation
to allow us to go racing and for the sport to run
so it shouldn't be happening at all.
It should not and we continue
because there are more things to discuss
this time with the stewards.
Question from P1Patreon member Alpha44.
Should Leclerc have given back the position
to Hamilton on lap one, turn one?
Yes, absolutely.
I kind of missed this during the race
and I've watched the replay
and I cannot believe
Charlotte Clair has got away with this one.
Now, of course, the incident in question
is full wide going into turn one.
Max Verstappen, of course, George Russell
is very kind of annoyed at the situation
because he thinks that Max has basically cut the track
and he's seen Leclerc cut the track as well
and he's gone, well, no, this isn't fair.
But Max was ahead of those
and Max, of course, gives the place back to Hamilton.
Charlotte Clair is a weird one
because I kind of missed this at the time
and, like I say, watching the replay.
He actually makes the corner absolutely fine.
Now, I don't really understand
where he then decides to bail out.
It doesn't look like he's struggling.
He's out of shape, so he's losing the back end.
But that being said,
he's behind Lewis Hamilton going into the corner.
So he cuts over the track
and I don't know if this is a case of the fact
that one is on his teammate,
so there's kind of special leniency there
and two, the stewards almost feel like
they can't penalize Leclerc without penalizing Verstappen
for doing the same thing
and that would be even more controversial.
But looking back at this,
I think Charlotte Clair absolutely should have given
the position to Hamilton
and Hamilton has been absolutely shafted here
for essentially being the one staying on the track.
So, yeah, it's a crazy situation
and I can't believe Leclerc got away with this one.
I am also, it would surprise a lot of you,
of the same opinion
that Charlotte Clair should have given the position back
to Hamilton at the apex,
which is what it always matters
in terms of the racing in Formula One.
Hamilton is still side-by-side,
if not marginally ahead at the apex
on the inside.
Hamilton's on the inside.
Charlotte Clair, sorry,
Hamilton's on the inside in control of his car.
Charlotte Clair is on the outside,
not in control of his car.
I cannot believe he's gotten away with this.
I'll take it every day of the week.
Thank you so much.
Cheers, if I appreciate you.
Thank you so much, JNM.
Nice, nice stuff.
But looking back at it,
because it was insanely chaotic,
it genuinely feels like they just didn't notice.
They didn't notice, yeah.
Which is utterly insane
and I think when we look at the Max Verstappen thing,
I believe that's slightly different
because he comes into that,
in my opinion, in fourth
and ends the scene in fourth.
So Max does not gain a lasting advantage
and Max did very well to not end up in the wall,
to be honest with you.
Whereas Charlotte Clair,
he's obviously dumped the throttle.
He's like, I'll take first here
and then I'll give back.
And then I'll give back one place, yeah.
And going to your point about teammates,
I strongly hope that this isn't the case
where they look at it and go,
because this is what I think Corrine said on the sky pad.
I was like, oh, you know,
the team aren't going to argue it.
They're not going to do this.
They're going to be on the blower to the FIA officials.
I'm like, that's not what happens anymore.
Teams aren't constantly on the blower to them.
But also, you put that situation into a McLaren
and they're both going for the world title,
so they have to decide.
Exactly, and rules need to be enforced
no matter if you're in the same team or not.
And that's how it works anyway.
It's afterwards.
If you're appealing and things like that
or you're seen afterwards
and you get both representatives,
that's usually when it's like, oh, it's hush, hush,
whatever, we're both in the same team.
But for stuff like this
where LeClaire's literally cut the corner,
that is either a penalty or it isn't
and it shouldn't be, oh, it's on Hamilton.
So don't worry about that one.
Yeah, that's all good.
It makes no sense to me
because I'm pretty sure, again,
going back to teams arguing their case,
they don't do that at this stage
of the proceedings in the race.
So Charlotte Clair is very, very lucky.
I think Max, he went for something very audacious
and he was lucky to end in fourth
and not in the wall and his championship over.
But it was utter carnage.
It was difficult for us to keep on top of
but you can't really give the same leniency
to the FIA and the stewards
when they have to referee this race.
Yeah, I do.
I'm not trying to excuse them
but unfortunately, there's too many circuits
on the Formula One calendar now
that as these cars are enormous,
they're almost like they don't have another choice
and weirdly this one isn't runoff.
They're obviously like going over the grass
but it's still an advantage.
It's still an opportunity to bail out.
So whether it's a case of you need gravel
to stop it happening or sausage curbs or something
because we've seen this,
I remember one year where Hamilton himself
basically just straight-lined Mario Kart mushroom
over the whole first sector and it was fine
because in a weird way, circuits shouldn't be that
where you kind of...
Verstappen played the percentage games as they normally does
but it still kind of...
I do understand why maybe someone like George Russell
was a little bit like,
come on, these guys aren't staying on the track.
He was more than that, mate.
He popped off on the team video.
Well, he did. Absolutely.
Yeah, I mean, George was fuming the whole race, wasn't he?
He certainly was.
Another question from P1PT remember,
our sport, did Lewis get the short end of the stick
compared to Max with the stewards?
Right, let's get into this one now
because the first couple of corners are done.
Yes, I agree, Charlotte Claude got away
with a very cheeky move there
and kept the position on Lewis.
This one, there are many points to it.
So, I mean, Lewis essentially on track was second.
You had Charles and Max and Lippin, Kimmy Antonelli
all going over the grass.
The actual drivers on track,
he was second at this point behind Lando
until obviously everyone rejoined.
For this one, of course, Hamilton is fighting Max
with Stappen a little bit later on.
I think this wasn't even on the first lap, was it?
This was...
Lap six.
Lap six.
So, it's a lap six, a few laps later,
it's still kicking off.
And Hamilton and Max, of course,
Max sends the move into turn one, doesn't he?
Absolutely, barrels into turn one.
And to be honest with you,
not penalty worthy in my opinion.
I think it's hard racing.
I think it's a racing incident.
They're both giving it
and that's what I want to see, right?
I don't necessarily, I mean,
Max I'm sure didn't mean to make actual contact
although some people will disagree with that.
I don't think it's penalty worthy what happened there.
Those two were just fighting for position.
It was awesome to watch.
It was then the next sequence of corners
where Hamilton breaks so unbelievably late
to try and get around the outside of Max
and then to go to the inside of the next corner.
Snatches a break, goes off the track.
There's the race director's notes
that he's supposed to stay in this very narrow lane
to rejoin, but he's going too quick
and the stewards are like, fine, no problem.
We're not going to penalize you for that,
which is something worth mentioning
because I think even Ferrari got confused
as to why they got the penalty.
I thought initially that was the reason
why he'd got the penalty, but it's not.
Yeah, there was so many separate investigations
for like one sequence of events.
It was crazy, but it was the fact
that Hamilton had not made the move
and not completed the move on Max Verstappen
and essentially just cut the corner.
Doesn't matter if he didn't go on the runoff.
Tried to of course get back on the track
as soon as possible and then stayed ahead
of Max Verstappen after that,
which on review,
I can understand why he got a penalty.
I feel sorry for Hamilton in the sense
of there was so much hope for him to get a podium.
First podium for Ferrari looked very likely
that that would happen until all the carnage ensued,
but when you look at what happened,
you can't say that he didn't deserve some kind of penalty.
Some people are feeling quite aggrieved
that it's 10 seconds,
but at the same time,
those people may also be slightly confused
as to what the penalty was for,
because if it was just not staying
within that narrow lane,
you can think, oh, maybe five seconds,
but it's the fact that he corner cut,
hadn't made the move
and essentially gained a lasting advantage.
So it's very difficult, isn't it?
To be like, what is the appropriate penalty?
But corner cutting and taking a position
should in theory be 10.
Yeah, and you look at the incident as well
and I think what the stewards
probably took a dim view on
is one, he's gone off like you say
and he's got that lasting advantage
and you mentioned about him
not giving the place back to Max Verstappen.
Of course, in that whole crazy sequence of events,
which was absolutely unbelievable, by the way,
I was like, what Grand Prix am I watching?
This can't be Mexico,
because this is far too exciting.
Oli Bearman passes Max.
So of course, Hamilton would have to give the move,
have to give the position back,
let Bearman through as well and Max
because he's not done that.
So the stewards are probably taking a dim view of that.
Not only that, Hamilton's just bounced.
He's not taken any kind of
decision to basically like kind of
maybe even back off a little bit
and let the others catch him up a bit
and then maybe argue a bit.
I know it wouldn't matter.
You would have had to give the position.
But it's the fact that he's not given the position back
and he's basically just like put his foot down
and gone, see you later.
Thanks very much.
So 10 seconds when you kind of think of it that way,
yeah, it's a big penalty.
And I do feel sorry for Hamilton
because the way he'd qualified
and how you're looking at the situation of the start,
which also he got screwed over from,
as we mentioned with the LeClaire and Verstappen thing,
mainly LeClaire of course.
A podium could have been on
and instead he's had a really poor race after that.
So it's getting for him,
but I can see why the stewards gave that penalty.
Absolutely.
Got so many incidents.
It's wild to even try and cover them all.
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My most memorable moment
was just how that championship battle
changed throughout the race again.
And as we get into this
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a track like Mexico,
to deliver that performance
and take the championship lead.
And then Oscar Piastri,
he's a little bit of damage
limitation himself.
I think he'd have taken
fifth bizarrely at the start.
I like how his weekend's gone.
Fifth is a great result
for him.
And of course,
he's probably going to feel
as aggrieved as Max Verstappen,
not getting those extra points
on Ollie Berman at the end
because he'd have had a great opportunity.
And then Max again
has gained points weirdly
in the championship,
which is an insane thing to think about
because it did feel like
it was over yesterday
and we were saying
you need to finish at the top.
And there were so many moments
in that race,
watching it as a Max Verstappen fan.
And if you're watching the watch
along, I apologize
because you've seen them all,
all the emotions of me
being,
you know, pessimistic,
Max van Tommy.
And
but
there were just so many moments
where it was flipping and changing.
You know,
the first corner
almost in the wall
that would have been championship over
then the incident with Hamilton
always going to get a penalty here.
Then he's losing places to Berman.
Then it was looking like
always on the wrong strategy.
Then
kind of everything went his way
with everyone deciding to pit
and looking like he's,
you know,
there was a situation
where he was going to have to
fly through the field
essentially and start making all these passes.
And actually,
the whole C just parted for him
and everyone decided to pit,
which helped him.
And then another twist at the end
with the VSC,
we are going to look back on this championship
and
these little things
like
people pitting here
or
a certain driver not making a move
or
a VSC
this is going to decide
this world championship
and that's why it is so fascinating
in every moment counts
and that is what's going to make
F1
so so exciting in these final four races
because everything matters
so so much.
It certainly does
and as you mentioned
in the watch along
my goodness
you were
it was championship on
championship off
I don't want to watch Formula One anymore
I love Formula One
Watt
you thought he was going to finish 7th
when he came out the pit
or 8th and
and I was like
no, Tommy's going to come through bro
this time
I'd have taken third
at the start
every day of the week
you're flipping tables
because the VSC came out
now he should have finished 2nd
it's
it's a matter
it's an emotional rollercoaster
I think it's because you know
as a Max fan
that every single point matters
from Max's perspective
in particular
he does
was he perfect today?
I don't think so
but
he definitely scrapped for a P3
almost a P2
but the championship battle
is one point
now Lando Norris
leads the world championship
by one point
with four races
and two sprints to go
over Oscar Piastri
Max Verstappen
is 36
behind Lando Norris
if the McLaren
is
the way it has been around Mexico
by the way
Formula 1 Graphic
please amend
because after free practice
you said the McLaren was the third fastest car
don't think it is
genuinely
it's Lando
or Oscars
100%
but then again
if you look at the previous races
before that
you think
it's Max and the momentum
but I think Max made a good point of like
the races that he had won
leading up to the Mexico City Grand Prix
were close
in terms of his pace
he wasn't miles ahead of McLaren
he was a match for them
at the very best
but he just utilised
and executed perfectly
but the championship battle was brilliant
like you can't say it
it isn't poised so beautifully
you've got Oscar
and we're wondering
is he going to bounce back
at all
Lando is on a good run of form
Max is fighting a car
that clearly sometimes works
and sometimes doesn't
it's brilliant to watch
but Lando certainly in my eyes
is the stone cold favourite now
unless Oscar can get himself out of this rut
Question from P1
Patreon member Quinty
Will Zack now officially make Lando
the number one driver for McLaren?
Can you imagine?
Lando
you are one point ahead my son
you are now the number one
Oscar has to move away
move aside
no, there's no chance
I
to be honest
form
I know it's very much recency bias
do they even need to make Lando
a number one driver
if Oscar is in this serious struggle town
and if he continues to be this way
Lando will just win on track
like he was nowhere near was Oscar
he was over 40 seconds behind Lando
at the end of the race
so
McLaren don't need to do anything
just stop
just don't
just don't touch anything
just let it cook
because
it will play out the way that
we maybe see it going now
with Lando potentially becoming world champion
they don't need to do anything now
they've won the constructors
they won it a while ago
and
I mean they need to fix Oscar
because we can't be having him finishing 40 seconds
behind Lando for the rest of the season
they need to fix
like that's what McLaren should be focusing on
is why
is Oscar Piastri now struggling so so much
how do we help you
get back in this championship fight
yeah definitely
they can't they can't pick a
side after
you know
it's one point in it
I think that they mentioned didn't they that
as Max gets closer
will they have to pick a side
the problem is that they're too close
as we as we mentioned before
and I know this pessimistic me
appearing again here we go
but here we go
I'm not saying I'm not saying Max is out of it
but they've got some breathing room
and now it does feel like
because there's only four races to go
and it is
oh
over a win
and kind of
a win and a
fourth fifth and
that that
basically like McLaren
should in theory be fine
unless they have a double
DNF again
if they have a collision
that that's when it would bring nothing from this season of you
you've got two sprints as well which are 16 points
you've got a hundred and 16 points on the table
but no this is what
this is what I'm saying
I know there's
I know there's a lot of points on the table
but
McLaren of absolute and Lando's
absolutely walked that race
and
the gap is a
is a large one
obviously Max is still in it
it's weird that he's now closer
but the percentage is like lower of
of you know
believing that Max can do it now
which is is an odd one
but I think that's more just the fact that
you know he's not
because he'd won all those races
you kind of
think like this is going to happen till the end of the season
and
but
I think
the just the way that
that Lando
is driving and
he is
the favourite for for sure at the moment he's on amazing form
but
you never know with with Oscar Piastri like
has he
it's going to be fascinating to see if Oscar can pick himself up
because
he's now going to be kind of
written off and maybe
weirdly the pressure
is now going to switch the other way
I think that this is going to be the fascinating thing with the McLaren's
is we said that
maybe Lando is performing so much better because the pressure was off
now he's back in the leads of the championship and
Oscar's on with the pressure off I don't know like will it will it change again
who knows I don't know if Oscar has pressure off being one point behind his
teammate I feel like it's
you know it's
no no it's not pressure off I just mean more the fact that like
yeah I think
with Oscar the thing that
I think is going to be the key here is it goes into that next race
and if he's back on form or can challenge Lando again
you could argue that he's like weathered the storm actually quite well
the storm Brazil coming up like yeah
the storm coming probably
because you know they are level so Oscar
despite form still has a
good chance of winning this world championship of course it does the cars there
we just need to see the Oscar pastry of old
to for him to win it but
yeah it's still very very close and
yeah as I as I mentioned in
you know the
what I said before that
every moment is going to count and I think the we're going to look back at this
world title
and if Oscar pastry wins it by a couple of points you can look back at certain
moments and go oh he did this and that's why he's won the championship
and if Lando doesn't win will go oh look if he hadn't had this DNF here
he would have done it and
max
Spain
whatever like that there's going to be there's going to be so many moments
Austria
it's going to come down to to little moments and the way this championships
going it's going to be so close going to the end
certainly is about Oscar still again
wishing he'd maybe just not given the place in Monza and he'd have a two
point lead in the championship and these these small points will will
certainly add up
come the end of the season a question from P1 Patriot member Thima
how on earth can the pit wall at McLaren still ask the drivers to play
nice when are we seeing the rivalry between title contenders
yes ridiculous that they're on the radio going
basically from my understanding it was if there's a safety car
we need to basically Lando could you tell us what to do for Oscar
and
you know I'd have respected Lando if he'd gone stick the enters on we
said that on the watch line didn't wait for my job
but it's it's so true like he should have just he should have
or just told them to f off because
that would have been a very massive change in dynamic if he'd said that
after everything that we've said this season
no
but it is just stupid like let let them race now
the constructors is out the way and I think this does prove that McLaren
will still do all these shenanigans and even though the
the constructors is wrapped up they will still
for some reason
be thinking about scoring maximum points the most points for what for
what for are we working for here the constructors is one the only
thing up for grabs is the driver's championship and Lando is fighting
the driver on the other side of the garage I don't get it I can
understand if like Max was like really breathing down their neck
and they need to work together to like make sure that you know
Oscar beats Max as well because then like you know the the Max is
really like fighting and he's right behind them and we need to
make sure we don't lose it but the moment they do have some
breathing space and Max is gaining and it is getting closer
but they they at this stage they can afford to just let them
race and do their own thing.
Yeah, totally agree.
That's that's the racing I want to see next question
FIFA NR six did McLaren's massive advantage today save
Piastri if the car wasn't that dominant Piastri would have
probably been fighting for P7 or P8 with his pace or weekend.
I don't that you can really talk about the because Piastri
was not feeling the massive advantage that Lando Norris had
in the car.
I think Oscar did have at times during this race good pace
that he was behind the Mercedes he was just constantly
looking like he was shaping for an overtake on somebody but
couldn't carve his way through the field like perhaps he would
have wanted at one point.
I think we would wondering if he'd be Oli Behrman to a to a
podium and things like that but I don't think it's
necessarily him being saved like he finished fifth.
It's not like he was second place but 40 seconds behind
Lando.
He still lost a huge chunk of points to his teammate.
So you know Oscar after the race chatting to I think
was Rachel Brooks seemed pretty pretty I mean neutral about it
all and slightly lost.
It has to be said it didn't he was basically trying to figure
out what would make sense and basically make learnings but
the thing is like what do you learn at Mexico at these these
heights these out at this altitude that you'll then
take into Brazil which to be fair is also decent altitude
but a very different track.
So I don't know it was an okay performance from Piastri.
I'm not going to say that he was saved by the car.
I think he's just generally struggling and yeah, there was
a huge amount of dirty air for him as well.
So a very different race to what Lando had out in front
but but Lando was clear.
Lando was absolutely dominant this weekend.
Yeah, he was clear.
It's an insane thing to think about that you just look
at that gap 42 seconds behind your teammate.
That is literally like second Red Bull driver territory that
you just don't see and I know it's sound like a broken record
but this isn't saying what is happening with Oscar Piastri to
be 42 seconds off.
He has to find something in Brazil anything just to be back
on that level because we know he's a good driver and can
do it and I don't think it's you know, I don't think
that that Lando is a way better driver than Oscar
Piastri for sure they've been so close all year that they've
been you know that the championship has been like trading
between them and I know Oscar's led it for a very long time
but in terms of like the race wins and things is very close
between them.
So this this is not where like Oscar Piastri should be
and he just has to find something in Brazil if he's
got any hope of this championship because the form is
quite frightening.
It is frightening but not in a good way for Oscar.
Let's move to someone that is very happy with their
performance and finally the breakthrough moments that
we've been speaking about for a very long time on this
podcast.
We've had good positions for him but this one was
headline worthy as of course Ollie Bearman finishing fourth
in the end and I couldn't be happier for him.
Of course we had him on the podcast not that long ago
absolutely lovely chap great to chat with him and he's
just you can just see he's living the dream.
He's obviously very new to Formula One and what tenacity
he showed today.
It's not like he's spawned in P4 and then held on for
dear life.
He fought the Verstappens and the Hamilton's and everyone
else for those positions on track exactly.
So he was not scared to get involved with the big dogs
which was great to see but then also to have the
relentless pressure of the two Mercedes behind him
constantly bearing down on him and he didn't put a foot
wrong it was what he did in that sort of lap six chaos
paid off beautifully for him because he ended up finishing
basically where he was at that point.
So I'm so happy for Ollie that he's able to have this
moment now in his Chris so close to a Hass podium
but the strategy just didn't pay off for him and it
did for Max Verstappen but you just it was awesome
to see the emotional scenes afterwards as well.
His family so proud of him.
It's just a very heartwarming moment to see Ollie finish
there.
It was incredible what what he did as well and it wasn't
like a crazy qualifying situation where he's got
his car into a good position and then no one can
overtake now.
You know he fought from ninth on the grid to get
up there into the podium spots took advantage of all
that chaos.
I mean I can't believe what I was watching when when
we saw not only had he had that good start but when
we saw that Hamilton battle and the Ollie badman just
just going through it to fourth it really was like
what what am I watching here and it was unbelievable
and you can watch every single drive rating this
year this year like so many of them and we have
this talk all the time where we go my God Ollie
badman is so so fast if he just hooked up a weekend
with no mistakes and no penalties and errors here
and there he could get an absolutely unbelievable
result and that is case in point that he hooked
it up all together and there's always that little
bit of disappointment when someone finishes P4
that's not been on the podium has have never had
a podium and they were a P4 you know it's that their
best ever result but it is it's his time will come
Ollie badman no doubt and you've you've got to think
that you know his his future if he continues this
form Ferrari Ferrari going to be looking at him
for sure.
Who will he replace that's the question in the
years to come but yeah especially when he was
running in third as well like the dream was
alive and with none of us saw a two-stop coming
as well we genuinely thought Ollie badman was on
for a for a P3 question from P1 picture remember
Caesar Caesar why did badman Russell and other
top drivers pit again they could have extended
on their mediums like Norris and the clergy.
It's a tough call I think badman obviously ran
that risk of had he not pitted he could have
dropped back all the way down and tumbled down
the order it's I know it would have been very
easy to go for broken I think the kind of that
that approach is a good job I'm not a strategist
because I always love to see them go for something
crazy and go oh you know P3 just go for it get
try and get a podium and if you finish eight
so be it but it's huge points for has and
you also look at the fact that just how much
for Stappen took out of of Leclerc by the end
you know it didn't seem like Max was racing Lecler
and then he was able to to eek out that that point
so Norris is come is a completely different scenario
because he was just untouchable and we know
how good McLaren are on their tires and I think
if particularly if like Ollie badman had stayed
out and Russell and everyone else had pitted
it would have just made him even more easy
prey and everyone would have would have passed
him so I think has actually made the right call
in the end it was touch and go for sure that
you know the mediums which is something that we
had to sort of shift our brains about a bit
didn't we because the mediums usually are the tire
they're the tire for the race everyone loves them
but they hated them this weekend that the softs
were the ones that worked so so amazingly well
and they told me during your pessimistic phase
which is to be fair all the time but you're
like your most pessimistic phase was of course
when Max was on the mediums at the start
he's got no pace this that and the other turns
out the tire was actually terrible and I can
understand as you said for Hass of a bearman
they needed to secure some points if they'd got
that wrong if they'd rolled the dice for a p3
and ended up in p8 they had been kicking themselves
because they were trying to overtake
Sauber for eighth in the constructors
which they now have so I understand from a
bearman perspective like p4 still means a huge
amount and I think it was the right decision
because you know Max gained a huge amount on
Charles Leclerc Max was never fighting Charles
Leclerc in our eyes until the obviously everything
just paved so beautifully for him and he went
on the attack and he was on pretty old
soft tires in comparison to everyone else
that had pit for brand new ones and they
were putting some lightning lap times in
so I genuinely think if Ollie had just stayed
out on his own he'd have been in a world
of trouble so probably the right decision
for sure as you say Lando in a league of
his own miles clear he could do everyone
he could literally chuck on the wet
tires get out and have a walk in a cup of
tea and get back in his car he was he was
home and dry so yeah I don't think it's
something we can have a go at for Hass
and for bearmen because it was the right
thing to do because literally everybody
else pit as well for the soft it's
not like someone gambled and made it
work that we can use as an example
like Norris and Leclerc were sort of
chilling in their own strategy for the
entire race so I don't think you can
really can't compare so I think it
made sense
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Next question P1 Petri member Edith
is my middle name did Pirelli cook
that two-stop was something else
Pirelli did cook I said it in the
watch along I I think they've
they figured it out right so what we
need a soft tyres at work medium
tyres that look like they'll work but
they don't and hard tyres that are like
putting concrete on so that they were
kind of forced into doing a two-stop
because they didn't want to be on the
mediums and the hards was just not an
alternative what that means for
future races if that's the case I
don't know but I liked it is the
unpredictability but the problem is
once Formula 1 teams learn if this
was then the trend they would learn
a way of getting around it and they'd
make sure that a one-stop works
in the future but for this one it
worked beautifully well it was such a
trade-off between the two and a one and
it was so surprising as I said to see
the two so yeah Pirelli you get my
plaudits that was a perfect strategy
race yeah I thought it wasn't going to
make a difference and I think you've
hit the nail on the head that the
reason it did work is because you
kind of had two tyres that weren't
great you know we've seen we've
seen them do this before where they
put a difference between the tyres
to try and spice up the racing but
unfortunately what happens is they
just throw away one of them that isn't
worth it and then we get exactly a
normal race but if it makes the
situation where one of them isn't
isn't good and it throws them off
yeah it's great and yeah I'm
surprised how in a track like
Mexico we always kind of mention
about sprint weekends and things are
good because they get less data and
stuff you think after three practice
sessions that have figured it like
worked it all out and stuff but
instead they didn't and f1 is always
much better for it when you get a
variable and something changes in the
race and they go oh actually no this
is completely different and you just
almost like need just like one
team and in this situation it was
kind of like Red Bull going on the
mediums changing it then everyone
sees something different that the
problem is when they all start on
the same tyres and at the same time
that's when everyone just copies
each other and so yeah Pirelli
well done and I really hope this
trend continues please please
and thank you next question people
on Patreon remember Georgina should
Mercedes have let George passed
before they did with this have
changed the outcome at all
they're in a tricky situation because
they didn't want to let George through
because Kimi Antonella was having a
good race you kind of saw there
that despite George being the one
that's having a great season
he's you know 160 points
glare of Antonelli
you kind of played out there that
like George isn't the number one
driver at Mercedes like he
probably thinks he should be
you know that that's shown by the
contract situation and everything
else and unfortunately for George
despite his best efforts and having
doing an amazing job this season
he is not far and away that the
favourite Mercedes
and they didn't know what to do
really because I think what they
had to do was either say flat
out no and I can see why
why they kind of didn't want to do
it because Kimi Antonella was
having a great race
his confidence has been shot
quite a lot of this this season
and if they'd let him go and he'd
just tumbled down the order he'd
have obviously been very frustrated
but what they did do was kind of
like wait a little bit too long
then swap and you kind of need to
make that decision one or the
other you can't kind of do half
it's something that we've seen a
few teams like Ferrari do in the
past and we say you need to make
the decision completely
and stick by your guns and just go
with it or you say no you're not
coming past but what they did was
let George Cook his tires
essentially not be able to get the
advantage didn't didn't help him
out too much and then decided to
swap when it was kind of almost a
little bit too late but yeah
George was absolutely fuming on the
radio it was quite quite crazy to
watch you know George Russell
who's someone that's very
PR friendly and whatever to
basically be very angry with this
team I think it's the first time
we've ever really seen it
yeah he properly popped off at
Mercedes he was not happy at all
that he was not being let through
it was clear that he was the
faster car at that stage of the
race I don't think you can deny
that couldn't pass Antonelli so
it wasn't like he was extra
ordinarily fast that was wild
from this team to say overtake
him by the way okay then
overtake him it's like wow
okay fine not sure what that says
and I think I do know what it says
it's total wolf saying well you
know my boy Antonelli yeah
go get him with your undisclosed
multi-year contract George Russell
or see in 2026 and they're very
sort of secretive out there about
how long they're signing George
but they should have in hindsight
yes let George pass before they
did because as we heard you know
he was overheating the car
and I think he even with that
sort of I don't know if it was a
wow or whatever he noise or sound
he made after he was let through
but it almost felt like a too
little too late sort of moment
because after that he put he made
no impression really on bearman
as much as we kind of expecting
it maybe he was going to mount a
challenge he couldn't get close
he didn't do any more than what
Kimmy Antonelli was able to do
so yeah if I was George I'd
feel a little bit aggrieved
why would they make them fight
when it's not even for the win
they're not even on the podium at
this stage and Antonelli had a
solid amount of time to try and
make an impression on bearman
but but didn't so it's an
interesting message it sets
at Mercedes doesn't it going
into next year when they're
both signed again we think
in theory that you know Mercedes
could well have the the car
to beat and you know George
is seeing there that he's not
got the the backing of his
team and that number one status
that maybe he kind of thinks that
that he should deserve with with
Kimmy the kind of rookie and
that they would would basically
be like yeah we'll do good for
the team you're quicker have a
go and we'll swap back but
they were very much like no
thank you it also doesn't
shout that they give two hoots
about the constructors
championship because they are
locked in same I know
Tommy I know it was an excuse
I literally tossed the ball up
to you to get home with it
but it's an insightful thing
yeah I know Tommy but it said
also it is an insightful thing
that you know if Mercedes truly
cared about that and maximizing
the points you think McLaren
are in this fight for second
place in the constructors
they're the ones constantly
maximizing every ounce of
a point out there Mercedes
like yeah you two can fight
don't worry about that one
we'll finish fourth in the
constructors no problem
very strange very strange a lot
of money on the line as well
for sure with the teams
so let's head now to
biggest winner driver
or team I think for me
has to be Lando Norris
it is a huge statement
in the championship
for this race weekend
completely and utterly
untouchable
from start to finish
so for me Lando Norris
and honorable mention to
Ollie Berman but I think in
the greater concept
context of the championship
it is a massive weekend for
Lando I can't believe
Ollie Berman is fourth
and I'm not going to pick in
as big as winner
which is insane
but it has to be Lando Norris
we said last
you know our controversial
the controversial opinion
that was was picked
in best reactions
last time out was
that is Lando now
championship favorite
I was kind of like well
yeah I can see it
and it kind of got
almost like laughed
off a little bit
saying that he what
he was third favorite
before you know
coming into this weekend
all the talk was on
Oscar's got the points lead
Max Verstappen's coming
can he win the title
Lando's completely forgotten
and I think this win
now surely makes Lando
the overwhelming favorite
he's got the car underneath him
it's a completely dominant win
he's got the points gap as well
on Max Verstappen
who we know
knows how to win
win titles so
yeah it's got to be Lando
right what about biggest loser
I think my suggestion
for this one is Alpine
they were literally
in another formula
yeah it's crazy isn't it
37 seconds
Gasly finished behind Lance Stroll
Colopinto finished
three tenths behind his teammate
because these two apparently
are glued together
for the entire race
but Alpine my God
like they just
absolutely nowhere
so they get my biggest loser
hmm yeah
definitely up there
think not that long as I may
I mean he got told to let
Stroll through and then
mysteriously then just retired the car
yeah
I think Carlos
I think Carlos Sainz is a good shout
as well the fact that he put in
that unbelievable qualifying lap
and then had of course the penalty
and then just an awful race
with the fact that
you know he had his pit limiter problems
and then they gave him a drive-through
which felt like trolling
from the FIA really to be like
right come on have another go
test your pit limiter
come on yeah test it again
see if it's working this time
come on
yeah there's a few
there's a few candidates here
I think you know Lewis Hamilton
has been hard done by
what should have been
potentially the podium
finally happening
he's finished down in eighth
but yeah I did look at Alpine
actually and just think like
my God they are
in a kind of situation now
where it feels like
for the kind of
few races gone by like
we don't have like a far and away worse team
that very much is Alpine
they are almost becoming like
the Williams or the Hass of years
gone by where they are just
fighting at the back
and miles off
I think it just shows that
they literally just don't care
about this kind of like
not even a single point of them
is thinking about 2025
they're just putting four wheels on the car
a front wing and a rear wing
and going
go on lad off you go
it's interesting that the gasoline color pinta
always seemed to be having
the greatest race of all time
for the final position
they're always locked in together
and battling for
no team orders this time
from what we could tell
but maybe there was
which this wasn't televised
right let's head to our predictions
that we made on Wednesday
to see how we did
it is currently level pegging
47 a piece
we had the good surprise
where I went for Oscar Piastri
and that was really surprisingly bad
so that's no points for me
and I went for George Russell
who also had a pretty poor race
I'm not beaten by Kimmy Antonelli
so that is definitely not a good surprise
now this my big flop
oh my god I forgot about this
my big flop is up there
with one of
probably your Baku prediction
not your good one
your very very bad one
this is a generationally bad
big flop
because I went for Ollie Bearman
and had the greatest race
who almost got a podium for Haas
so my big flop
that I've been celebrating
this entire season
for getting me a lot of points
has backfired massively
indeed
yeah I went for Yuki Senoda
who finished 11th
finishing 11th sorry
there's absolutely no chance
there's a big flop
however I will say
Yuki was going sort of
quite quietly about his business
I'm not saying he was
Max Verstappen podium territory
but he had a 12 second pit stop
12 seconds
my guy was easily finishing 9th
I reckon
which of course
you know not the dizzying heights
of Ollie Bearman
but he was he was doing
very well indeed
for what is that second red bull seat
and the strategy was right
I think he had the same as Max Verstappen
pretty much
you stayed out Deney
for a very long time
and running up and forth
wasn't behind Max
but he basically was like
hung out to dry a little bit as well
with the strategy
and then the pit stop just
yeah just absolutely killed his race
so I feel sorry for Senoda
but it is not a flop Tommy
well you know he's had a bad start
no no no no no no
that's not it
okay right let's go to pole position
where I went for Max Verstappen
incorrect
and I went for Landon Horace
which is
congratulations I'll be happy with the money
third place I went for Charles LeClerc
which was too
low
unbelievable! And also the VSC, yeah, crazy. Yeah, wouldn't be good for the
championship. No, not on the podium once again for
Piastri. In second place, I went for Max Verstappen, which was one too high. So I
could have got two points and I got none! And I went for Landon Orris. I obviously
wanted him to go wanted to go for him for the win, but you blocked me. How
day? I did indeed. In first place, I went for Landon Orris. So I could have had a
three-pointer. Oh, my word, the VSC cost you. Which is devastating. I knew there was
something within me that was willing for Max Verstappen to get through on
Charles Leclerc at the end. I didn't know what it was, because of course it's
completely, it doesn't make sense, because I want Charles Leclerc to finish
P2, but then also Charles Leclerc finishing P3. Does that change anything
in the world? No, not really, but it puts Max close from the championship. It
also puts me ahead in the championship. But no, alas, the stupid VSC. I mean,
I'm even more angry about that now. What about our one crazy prediction? For me,
I went for track limits for one of the top three in either qualifying, important
Q3 that, or penalty in the race. And that did not happen. I wish, I wish I'd
said not top three in the championship. Wait, did I say top three? Or did I
just say top three? What's written down here says one of the top three. And
there was 100% track limits. What were you saying? No, no. Yeah, penalty in
the race. Hamilton was third and he got a penalty. You can't just give a penalty
for anyone there. No, that's not, that's not. Yeah, I did mean top three in the
championship, but I wish I had said just the top three and then I would have
got it. I said, what were you thinking? No, no. I said all McLaren pit
stops for under three seconds. I can't believe. The way I knee slid on the
watch along when Oscar Piastri back to 3.6. The way I shouted F off, F off
McLaren during quite loudly and within three seconds got a WhatsApp from my
wife saying, please don't swear so loud because Grace is in the room behind
and she hadn't gone to bed yet. Oh my God, can you imagine? She adds to her
vocabulary. Do, do, do, do it. Max Verstappen and then F off McLaren. Wow,
that is absolute cinema if that happened. It is a bit weird, though,
isn't it? For you to be obviously in this championship rooting for a quick
McLaren pit stop when every fibre of your being is wanting the other side of
that. Yeah, I mean, if Landau's had a 33 second pit stop, it is still one.
So that's true. That's true. Our Patreon prediction. If you're part of the P1
Patreon, then you get to submit a prediction that we select the one that
I chose was Alan Enderpay. Someone ignores team orders. I feel like
Colla Pinto. We might find out later, but as time of recording, no social
video to suggest that there was any ignoring of team orders, sadly.
And I went for captain of 3420 at least two championship contenders have some
sort of incident with each other on lap one and let Landau and Max were
four wide going into the corner. He was involved. Incident. That's what
you said. Crash contact push goes fully off track. Technically Landau was on
the inside. So he pushed Max off because he was getting the bin. You was far too
specific with this. Captain obs. Otherwise, you might have been able to get away
with that. So it's 48 all now. 48 also. It's a great week for predictions.
We both score one point and keep it level. So it's one point separating
Norris and Piastri. It's zero between Gallagher and Bellingham. What
about the family top three? It's currently 10 nine to the boring
Bellingham's as we know always. And I fielded my sister in third place went
for Fernando Alonso, which sadly, sadly did not finish.
My mum went for Oscar Piastri. No. In second position again, screwed over
by the VSC. My sister went for Max Verstappen. And my mum went for
Landau Norris. No. And in first position, my sister, to be fair, she got two
of three in the top three. Correct. Shall declare she went for P one. He was
close 30 seconds behind, but still close because he finished P two. So no
points, sadly. Landau disqualification. She could be getting two points.
Yeah. And my mum went for Max Verstappen. So incorrect. So no points
at any of them. So it stays 10 nine. Okay, there you go. Wow. That is
incredible work. Enjoyed speaking about all of those different incidents.
I'm sure you'll all have your own opinions on what happened with
your favorite driver and how we have agendas against them. But we look
forward to reading all of that. But I honestly, I'm loving Formula One
now it's been it's needed an injection of just just chaos, just a
bit of, I don't know, Mexico is like, you know what, guys, we need a
little bit of something. They did it. Of course, Landau wins. But the
whole picture of the championship is so beautifully poised still.
Would love it if Max was just within a race win to make things
I know, just a few more points still got four races to go. My
guy, if he wins in Brazil, let's just say wins in Brazil.
Second place. Landau 36 becomes 29. All of a sudden Tommy is
getting two letters of the tattoo. 29 is that enough? I don't
know. No, no, it's not enough. You need to be ahead. But it's
still in reach. Yeah, he's still in reach. Whereas Charles Leclerc
was out of contention two races ago. So you're just still in
there, which actually he should have argued on the radio and
said, look, I'm the one going for the championship here. Oh my
God, that would have been so fun. That would have been the
funniest radio ever. That would have been the greatest
ever. I've seen that meme about everyone DNF thing. I've been
so good. Right. Thank you everybody for tuning into the
podcast. Remember P1 live delusion tour tickets still
available. We are going there next week. So if you're free,
come along. We'd love to see you there. And Tommy, what are
your final thoughts? Final thoughts are good job, Mexico.
Very good job. Well done. Well done. Not Baku. Same again
next year, please. Yes, please with the new cars. God, what
are they going to be like? I cannot wait to see. Well,
they've been cutting out down the mainstream. Yeah, might
have to get out and push it. Right. Thank you, everybody. We'll
see you soon. Lots of love. Drive ratings coming soon. Week off
then Brazil. Brazil. Brazil's coming. Come on. Bye.
Thanks for say bye, Tommy.
You're waving. But what about audio? Say bye.
Bye.
Thank you. Well done.
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