Mexico City GP Race Review

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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the B1 Podcast with Matt and Tommy.

Another one done, Mexico.

Wow.

I was unfamiliar with your game.

Goodness gracious me.

I was expecting after lap one, turn one to just sit back and snooze for 71 laps.

But surprisingly, I know Lando dominated and we didn't even see him the entire race.

Everything else behind was absolute carnage, Tommy.

I know Mexico City Grand Prix is usually abysmal.

I've made it very clear on a few times.

I think it's certain like track layout wise.

I think this may well be my least favorite track layout of the whole calendar.

I think it's really, really poor and it's produced some absolute stinkers

of course, the altitude makes it very difficult for overtaking as well.

And if you'd said to me that, you know, we'd have got this really, really enjoyable race,

I wouldn't have believed you, particularly if you'd missed the race

because obviously the leader won by over 30 seconds

and just completely dominated from turn one as is the norm in 2025.

But it was a brilliant, brilliant, brilliant race, really enjoyed it.

It certainly was.

We're going to get into everything.

And there's a lot of incidents to go through, by the way.

Oh, my goodness.

I can't, can't wait.

Some of them I definitely could avoid talking about because one of them is

involving Charlotte Clair.

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Right.

Here we go.

Then Mexico City Grand Prix chat.

We now have four races and two sprints to go until the end of the

season and the championship has got closer.

So first question, something we have to cover.

Not that I have overly studied the last Mexico City Grand Prix

that we've had mainly because they have been pretty poor.

But was that the best race we've ever had in Mexico?

And I'm going to say yes, because it sticks in the brain.

So much overtaking, so much chaos, lots of controversy, incidents that

were penalized and incidents that weren't.

It kept us guessing all the way literally to the last lap.

Yeah, definitely.

I don't think it's a contest personally.

We've seen the Mexican Grand Prix deliver or the Mexico City

Grand Prix, whichever it decides to be each year.

But we've seen the circuit kind of deliver lap one chaos and its fair

share of drama, but it normally comes on, as we said, lap one.

And then the rest of it is pretty boring with no very minimal

overtaking and a very easy one-stop.

But look, it threw everything into the mix.

We had different strategies.

We had surprise midfielders up at the front, which we'll

talk about lots of chaos, lots of drama, lots of controversy.

Oh, it was just brilliant.

It's one of the races of the season.

And I cannot believe I'm saying that.

And Landon almost won by 30 seconds and you're telling me

it's one of the races of the season.

It's definitely up there, for sure.

Just purely the midfield, midfield, I guess, from second

place down, delivering massively.

Now, we head to my most memorable moment.

And it's a big one.

A lot of people are quite angry with how the race ended.

We all hate a race ending under a safety car.

We'd love a safety car or a VSC up until about six or seven

laps from the end, and then it can jog on.

That's essentially how it works, because then we're in the

danger zone, aren't we?

We're in the danger zone of the race is going to end

neutralized or end any battles that we were having.

Well, we had a very late virtual safety car, didn't we?

Where Carlos Sainz loses the car in the stadium section,

spins 180, hits the wall, I think gets a right rear puncture

from that, and then he does this kind of crabbing walk

with the car to this little exit road.

And the car is pretty much completely off, not just

the circuit, but out of any firing line.

The only way Carlos Sainz's car is getting hit is if

someone decides to do Mexico City Grand Prix backwards.

Yes, you're so accurate, because the only way you go around

that very tight corner, and then you'd have to spear off,

but you're going so slowly that you're not going to hit it

at any speed, so it absolutely makes no sense, does it?

At all.

It's ridiculous.

You're fuming.

I am fuming.

I'm absolutely fuming.

I was annoyed anyway, and I was a little bit, you know,

like my thought process here was, and we'll go into this

in my most memorable moment when we talk about it later,

but Max had good fortune in that race for sure.

So a little bit after the incident, I was like,

I think he has to count his lucky stars a little bit

from the way that race went for him.

I'd have taken P3 all day long at the start,

but when I went on Twitter and saw the replay

of Carla Sainz driving into the exit road, you know,

that the only reason to like, say you'd done like more laps,

right, all the stewards would have done is push the car

into the exit road.

So Carla Sainz did the job for them.

So why they had to do that made absolutely no sense,

and it was so frustrating not just as a Max fan,

but as a person that wants to see racing,

because you didn't, it wasn't even just Max.

You had Piastri going after Bearman.

They're incredibly close.

They both got within DRS into those final laps,

and we were going to potentially see two moves

on the final lap of the Grand Prix,

which is the absolute dream for, you know,

for Formula One fans that won an exciting race

when the racing is going right to the end.

And it was literally like pressing a button,

being like, no fun allowed.

We're not allowed to do this now

because it didn't need to happen.

It just did not need to happen.

And that is what's so frustrating about it.

Right, let's get into a question then from P1PatreonMember.

Mercedes on top.

Was this another choke job by the FIA?

Feel like the VSC at the end wasn't needed

and some questionable calls at the start.

We've not had a good old rant about the FIA for a while,

have we?

Decisions.

We've had the odd decision here that we've questioned,

but I feel like this one was a catastrophic

error of judgment on many parts.

Now, of course, the first one we've mentioned

is the virtual safety car,

which we are both in agreement

was not the right decision.

A double-waved yellow sorts that no problem.

You don't need to neutralize the entire track

for a car that is halfway in the exit road.

You just don't.

Like, come on, guys.

I know there's safety,

but that's literally what a double-waved yellow is about.

A double-waved yellow is slow and be prepared to stop.

I don't think Max Verstappen was prepared to stop

when he gained half a second on Charles Leclerc

in the stadium section and was within 6 tenths

going into 10-1.

However, the actual job of the stewards,

sorry, the FIA is to make sure,

and the race director is to make sure that

the track is at a safe point

and I think that was more than enough

to do a double-waved yellow for that.

We then go to Liam Lawson

at the start of the race.

Liam Lawson, I believe in the first couple of laps,

wasn't shown on television,

hence why perhaps only the select few

that are looking on social media know this even happened.

But Liam Lawson, heading into turn one,

he obviously had a pretty poor start.

I think he had to pit very early, didn't he?

Yeah, so he was behind the whole pack.

Yes, he was behind the whole pack

and two marshals, at least two,

at least the ones we've seen,

were sent out on track to pick up the debris,

the carnage from lap one.

Liam Lawson is entering turn one

and he very narrowly misses these two marshals

that are running across the track.

There are so many variables here

that could have ended in utter disaster.

Perhaps a marshall seeing a car coming

and freezing rather than continuing to run.

So many things could have happened there.

Lawson, of course, commits to going the way

in which he thinks the marshals aren't

but that is not a decision

that a Formula One driver needs

and should be making during a race.

I'm sorry, and I know that it makes sense, right?

If the entire field are on the other side of the track,

they can fly out a marshall to pick up a bit of debris

but that is an insane oversight

to not realize that a car is out of the pack

and coming into turn one.

That's a VSC every single day of the week.

They are literal human lives at stake here

and that one is the biggest choked job of them all.

You know, we talk about the VSC,

we talk about the championship and this that and the other.

Put that aside, this is people's safety

and the marshals do a hell of enough as it is for this sport

to make sure it continues to run the way it does

that that was simply unacceptable.

Yeah, it was an insane moment

and it's a massive...

I hope they investigate this.

I don't think it's not even too extreme to say

that they need to have a good look at this

and find out why it happened

because you can't just assume

that because the whole pack has gone past

that a car isn't going to be on their own.

The only incident that springs to mind here

is when Esteban Ocon pitted at Baku for that final lap

and they just kind of did their usual podium proceedings

and didn't think about another car

and they just set everything up.

They need to have these systems in place

where they can clearly understand

because for whatever reason

these marshals have clearly had the information

or as far as they're concerned

that the whole pack is on the other side of the track

so we're absolutely fine.

And that wasn't the case

and you've hit the nail on the head

that the marshals, these are volunteers putting their lives at danger.

They shouldn't be putting their lives at danger

but they obviously were in this situation

to allow us to go racing and for the sport to run

so it shouldn't be happening at all.

It should not and we continue

because there are more things to discuss

this time with the stewards.

Question from P1Patreon member Alpha44.

Should Leclerc have given back the position

to Hamilton on lap one, turn one?

Yes, absolutely.

I kind of missed this during the race

and I've watched the replay

and I cannot believe

Charlotte Clair has got away with this one.

Now, of course, the incident in question

is full wide going into turn one.

Max Verstappen, of course, George Russell

is very kind of annoyed at the situation

because he thinks that Max has basically cut the track

and he's seen Leclerc cut the track as well

and he's gone, well, no, this isn't fair.

But Max was ahead of those

and Max, of course, gives the place back to Hamilton.

Charlotte Clair is a weird one

because I kind of missed this at the time

and, like I say, watching the replay.

He actually makes the corner absolutely fine.

Now, I don't really understand

where he then decides to bail out.

It doesn't look like he's struggling.

He's out of shape, so he's losing the back end.

But that being said,

he's behind Lewis Hamilton going into the corner.

So he cuts over the track

and I don't know if this is a case of the fact

that one is on his teammate,

so there's kind of special leniency there

and two, the stewards almost feel like

they can't penalize Leclerc without penalizing Verstappen

for doing the same thing

and that would be even more controversial.

But looking back at this,

I think Charlotte Clair absolutely should have given

the position to Hamilton

and Hamilton has been absolutely shafted here

for essentially being the one staying on the track.

So, yeah, it's a crazy situation

and I can't believe Leclerc got away with this one.

I am also, it would surprise a lot of you,

of the same opinion

that Charlotte Clair should have given the position back

to Hamilton at the apex,

which is what it always matters

in terms of the racing in Formula One.

Hamilton is still side-by-side,

if not marginally ahead at the apex

on the inside.

Hamilton's on the inside.

Charlotte Clair, sorry,

Hamilton's on the inside in control of his car.

Charlotte Clair is on the outside,

not in control of his car.

I cannot believe he's gotten away with this.

I'll take it every day of the week.

Thank you so much.

Cheers, if I appreciate you.

Thank you so much, JNM.

Nice, nice stuff.

But looking back at it,

because it was insanely chaotic,

it genuinely feels like they just didn't notice.

They didn't notice, yeah.

Which is utterly insane

and I think when we look at the Max Verstappen thing,

I believe that's slightly different

because he comes into that,

in my opinion, in fourth

and ends the scene in fourth.

So Max does not gain a lasting advantage

and Max did very well to not end up in the wall,

to be honest with you.

Whereas Charlotte Clair,

he's obviously dumped the throttle.

He's like, I'll take first here

and then I'll give back.

And then I'll give back one place, yeah.

And going to your point about teammates,

I strongly hope that this isn't the case

where they look at it and go,

because this is what I think Corrine said on the sky pad.

I was like, oh, you know,

the team aren't going to argue it.

They're not going to do this.

They're going to be on the blower to the FIA officials.

I'm like, that's not what happens anymore.

Teams aren't constantly on the blower to them.

But also, you put that situation into a McLaren

and they're both going for the world title,

so they have to decide.

Exactly, and rules need to be enforced

no matter if you're in the same team or not.

And that's how it works anyway.

It's afterwards.

If you're appealing and things like that

or you're seen afterwards

and you get both representatives,

that's usually when it's like, oh, it's hush, hush,

whatever, we're both in the same team.

But for stuff like this

where LeClaire's literally cut the corner,

that is either a penalty or it isn't

and it shouldn't be, oh, it's on Hamilton.

So don't worry about that one.

Yeah, that's all good.

It makes no sense to me

because I'm pretty sure, again,

going back to teams arguing their case,

they don't do that at this stage

of the proceedings in the race.

So Charlotte Clair is very, very lucky.

I think Max, he went for something very audacious

and he was lucky to end in fourth

and not in the wall and his championship over.

But it was utter carnage.

It was difficult for us to keep on top of

but you can't really give the same leniency

to the FIA and the stewards

when they have to referee this race.

Yeah, I do.

I'm not trying to excuse them

but unfortunately, there's too many circuits

on the Formula One calendar now

that as these cars are enormous,

they're almost like they don't have another choice

and weirdly this one isn't runoff.

They're obviously like going over the grass

but it's still an advantage.

It's still an opportunity to bail out.

So whether it's a case of you need gravel

to stop it happening or sausage curbs or something

because we've seen this,

I remember one year where Hamilton himself

basically just straight-lined Mario Kart mushroom

over the whole first sector and it was fine

because in a weird way, circuits shouldn't be that

where you kind of...

Verstappen played the percentage games as they normally does

but it still kind of...

I do understand why maybe someone like George Russell

was a little bit like,

come on, these guys aren't staying on the track.

He was more than that, mate.

He popped off on the team video.

Well, he did. Absolutely.

Yeah, I mean, George was fuming the whole race, wasn't he?

He certainly was.

Another question from P1PT remember,

our sport, did Lewis get the short end of the stick

compared to Max with the stewards?

Right, let's get into this one now

because the first couple of corners are done.

Yes, I agree, Charlotte Claude got away

with a very cheeky move there

and kept the position on Lewis.

This one, there are many points to it.

So, I mean, Lewis essentially on track was second.

You had Charles and Max and Lippin, Kimmy Antonelli

all going over the grass.

The actual drivers on track,

he was second at this point behind Lando

until obviously everyone rejoined.

For this one, of course, Hamilton is fighting Max

with Stappen a little bit later on.

I think this wasn't even on the first lap, was it?

This was...

Lap six.

So, it's a lap six, a few laps later,

it's still kicking off.

And Hamilton and Max, of course,

Max sends the move into turn one, doesn't he?

Absolutely, barrels into turn one.

And to be honest with you,

not penalty worthy in my opinion.

I think it's hard racing.

I think it's a racing incident.

They're both giving it

and that's what I want to see, right?

I don't necessarily, I mean,

Max I'm sure didn't mean to make actual contact

although some people will disagree with that.

I don't think it's penalty worthy what happened there.

Those two were just fighting for position.

It was awesome to watch.

It was then the next sequence of corners

where Hamilton breaks so unbelievably late

to try and get around the outside of Max

and then to go to the inside of the next corner.

Snatches a break, goes off the track.

There's the race director's notes

that he's supposed to stay in this very narrow lane

to rejoin, but he's going too quick

and the stewards are like, fine, no problem.

We're not going to penalize you for that,

which is something worth mentioning

because I think even Ferrari got confused

as to why they got the penalty.

I thought initially that was the reason

why he'd got the penalty, but it's not.

Yeah, there was so many separate investigations

for like one sequence of events.

It was crazy, but it was the fact

that Hamilton had not made the move

and not completed the move on Max Verstappen

and essentially just cut the corner.

Doesn't matter if he didn't go on the runoff.

Tried to of course get back on the track

as soon as possible and then stayed ahead

of Max Verstappen after that,

which on review,

I can understand why he got a penalty.

I feel sorry for Hamilton in the sense

of there was so much hope for him to get a podium.

First podium for Ferrari looked very likely

that that would happen until all the carnage ensued,

but when you look at what happened,

you can't say that he didn't deserve some kind of penalty.

Some people are feeling quite aggrieved

that it's 10 seconds,

but at the same time,

those people may also be slightly confused

as to what the penalty was for,

because if it was just not staying

within that narrow lane,

you can think, oh, maybe five seconds,

but it's the fact that he corner cut,

hadn't made the move

and essentially gained a lasting advantage.

So it's very difficult, isn't it?

To be like, what is the appropriate penalty?

But corner cutting and taking a position

should in theory be 10.

Yeah, and you look at the incident as well

and I think what the stewards

probably took a dim view on

is one, he's gone off like you say

and he's got that lasting advantage

and you mentioned about him

not giving the place back to Max Verstappen.

Of course, in that whole crazy sequence of events,

which was absolutely unbelievable, by the way,

I was like, what Grand Prix am I watching?

This can't be Mexico,

because this is far too exciting.

Oli Bearman passes Max.

So of course, Hamilton would have to give the move,

have to give the position back,

let Bearman through as well and Max

because he's not done that.

So the stewards are probably taking a dim view of that.

Not only that, Hamilton's just bounced.

He's not taken any kind of

decision to basically like kind of

maybe even back off a little bit

and let the others catch him up a bit

and then maybe argue a bit.

I know it wouldn't matter.

You would have had to give the position.

But it's the fact that he's not given the position back

and he's basically just like put his foot down

and gone, see you later.

Thanks very much.

So 10 seconds when you kind of think of it that way,

yeah, it's a big penalty.

And I do feel sorry for Hamilton

because the way he'd qualified

and how you're looking at the situation of the start,

which also he got screwed over from,

as we mentioned with the LeClaire and Verstappen thing,

mainly LeClaire of course.

A podium could have been on

and instead he's had a really poor race after that.

So it's getting for him,

but I can see why the stewards gave that penalty.

Absolutely.

Got so many incidents.

It's wild to even try and cover them all.

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Tommy, let's go to

your most memorable moment,

shall we?

My most memorable moment

was just how that championship battle

changed throughout the race again.

And as we get into this

closing stages of the season,

what we thought was

the worst championship battle

of all time

is actually getting incredibly exciting

and every single

little detail

counts.

You know, you've just seen Landon Aris

have arguably the best

race of his entire career,

completely dominant all weekend,

smashed his teammate,

never in doubt

led into turn one,

which I think is very impressive,

a track like Mexico,

to deliver that performance

and take the championship lead.

And then Oscar Piastri,

he's a little bit of damage

limitation himself.

I think he'd have taken

fifth bizarrely at the start.

I like how his weekend's gone.

Fifth is a great result

for him.

And of course,

he's probably going to feel

as aggrieved as Max Verstappen,

not getting those extra points

on Ollie Berman at the end

because he'd have had a great opportunity.

And then Max again

has gained points weirdly

in the championship,

which is an insane thing to think about

because it did feel like

it was over yesterday

and we were saying

you need to finish at the top.

And there were so many moments

in that race,

watching it as a Max Verstappen fan.

And if you're watching the watch

along, I apologize

because you've seen them all,

all the emotions of me

being,

you know, pessimistic,

Max van Tommy.

And

but

there were just so many moments

where it was flipping and changing.

You know,

the first corner

almost in the wall

that would have been championship over

then the incident with Hamilton

always going to get a penalty here.

Then he's losing places to Berman.

Then it was looking like

always on the wrong strategy.

Then

kind of everything went his way

with everyone deciding to pit

and looking like he's,

you know,

there was a situation

where he was going to have to

fly through the field

essentially and start making all these passes.

And actually,

the whole C just parted for him

and everyone decided to pit,

which helped him.

And then another twist at the end

with the VSC,

we are going to look back on this championship

and

these little things

like

people pitting here

or

a certain driver not making a move

or

a VSC

this is going to decide

this world championship

and that's why it is so fascinating

in every moment counts

and that is what's going to make

F1

so so exciting in these final four races

because everything matters

so so much.

It certainly does

and as you mentioned

in the watch along

my goodness

you were

it was championship on

championship off

I don't want to watch Formula One anymore

I love Formula One

Watt

you thought he was going to finish 7th

when he came out the pit

or 8th and

and I was like

no, Tommy's going to come through bro

this time

I'd have taken third

at the start

every day of the week

you're flipping tables

because the VSC came out

now he should have finished 2nd

it's

it's a matter

it's an emotional rollercoaster

I think it's because you know

as a Max fan

that every single point matters

from Max's perspective

in particular

he does

was he perfect today?

I don't think so

but

he definitely scrapped for a P3

almost a P2

but the championship battle

is one point

now Lando Norris

leads the world championship

by one point

with four races

and two sprints to go

over Oscar Piastri

Max Verstappen

is 36

behind Lando Norris

if the McLaren

is

the way it has been around Mexico

by the way

Formula 1 Graphic

please amend

because after free practice

you said the McLaren was the third fastest car

don't think it is

genuinely

it's Lando

or Oscars

100%

but then again

if you look at the previous races

before that

you think

it's Max and the momentum

but I think Max made a good point of like

the races that he had won

leading up to the Mexico City Grand Prix

were close

in terms of his pace

he wasn't miles ahead of McLaren

he was a match for them

at the very best

but he just utilised

and executed perfectly

but the championship battle was brilliant

like you can't say it

it isn't poised so beautifully

you've got Oscar

and we're wondering

is he going to bounce back

at all

Lando is on a good run of form

Max is fighting a car

that clearly sometimes works

and sometimes doesn't

it's brilliant to watch

but Lando certainly in my eyes

is the stone cold favourite now

unless Oscar can get himself out of this rut

Question from P1

Patreon member Quinty

Will Zack now officially make Lando

the number one driver for McLaren?

Can you imagine?

Lando

you are one point ahead my son

you are now the number one

Oscar has to move away

move aside

no, there's no chance

I

to be honest

form

I know it's very much recency bias

do they even need to make Lando

a number one driver

if Oscar is in this serious struggle town

and if he continues to be this way

Lando will just win on track

like he was nowhere near was Oscar

he was over 40 seconds behind Lando

at the end of the race

so

McLaren don't need to do anything

just stop

just don't

just don't touch anything

just let it cook

because

it will play out the way that

we maybe see it going now

with Lando potentially becoming world champion

they don't need to do anything now

they've won the constructors

they won it a while ago

and

I mean they need to fix Oscar

because we can't be having him finishing 40 seconds

behind Lando for the rest of the season

they need to fix

like that's what McLaren should be focusing on

is why

is Oscar Piastri now struggling so so much

how do we help you

get back in this championship fight

yeah definitely

they can't they can't pick a

side after

you know

it's one point in it

I think that they mentioned didn't they that

as Max gets closer

will they have to pick a side

the problem is that they're too close

as we as we mentioned before

and I know this pessimistic me

appearing again here we go

but here we go

I'm not saying I'm not saying Max is out of it

but they've got some breathing room

and now it does feel like

because there's only four races to go

and it is

oh

over a win

and kind of

a win and a

fourth fifth and

that that

basically like McLaren

should in theory be fine

unless they have a double

DNF again

if they have a collision

that that's when it would bring nothing from this season of you

you've got two sprints as well which are 16 points

you've got a hundred and 16 points on the table

but no this is what

this is what I'm saying

I know there's

I know there's a lot of points on the table

but

McLaren of absolute and Lando's

absolutely walked that race

and

the gap is a

is a large one

obviously Max is still in it

it's weird that he's now closer

but the percentage is like lower of

of you know

believing that Max can do it now

which is is an odd one

but I think that's more just the fact that

you know he's not

because he'd won all those races

you kind of

think like this is going to happen till the end of the season

and

but

I think

the just the way that

that Lando

is driving and

he is

the favourite for for sure at the moment he's on amazing form

but

you never know with with Oscar Piastri like

has he

it's going to be fascinating to see if Oscar can pick himself up

because

he's now going to be kind of

written off and maybe

weirdly the pressure

is now going to switch the other way

I think that this is going to be the fascinating thing with the McLaren's

is we said that

maybe Lando is performing so much better because the pressure was off

now he's back in the leads of the championship and

Oscar's on with the pressure off I don't know like will it will it change again

who knows I don't know if Oscar has pressure off being one point behind his

teammate I feel like it's

you know it's

no no it's not pressure off I just mean more the fact that like

yeah I think

with Oscar the thing that

I think is going to be the key here is it goes into that next race

and if he's back on form or can challenge Lando again

you could argue that he's like weathered the storm actually quite well

the storm Brazil coming up like yeah

the storm coming probably

because you know they are level so Oscar

despite form still has a

good chance of winning this world championship of course it does the cars there

we just need to see the Oscar pastry of old

to for him to win it but

yeah it's still very very close and

yeah as I as I mentioned in

you know the

what I said before that

every moment is going to count and I think the we're going to look back at this

world title

and if Oscar pastry wins it by a couple of points you can look back at certain

moments and go oh he did this and that's why he's won the championship

and if Lando doesn't win will go oh look if he hadn't had this DNF here

he would have done it and

max

Spain

whatever like that there's going to be there's going to be so many moments

Austria

it's going to come down to to little moments and the way this championships

going it's going to be so close going to the end

certainly is about Oscar still again

wishing he'd maybe just not given the place in Monza and he'd have a two

point lead in the championship and these these small points will will

certainly add up

come the end of the season a question from P1 Patriot member Thima

how on earth can the pit wall at McLaren still ask the drivers to play

nice when are we seeing the rivalry between title contenders

yes ridiculous that they're on the radio going

basically from my understanding it was if there's a safety car

we need to basically Lando could you tell us what to do for Oscar

and

you know I'd have respected Lando if he'd gone stick the enters on we

said that on the watch line didn't wait for my job

but it's it's so true like he should have just he should have

or just told them to f off because

that would have been a very massive change in dynamic if he'd said that

after everything that we've said this season

no

but it is just stupid like let let them race now

the constructors is out the way and I think this does prove that McLaren

will still do all these shenanigans and even though the

the constructors is wrapped up they will still

for some reason

be thinking about scoring maximum points the most points for what for

what for are we working for here the constructors is one the only

thing up for grabs is the driver's championship and Lando is fighting

the driver on the other side of the garage I don't get it I can

understand if like Max was like really breathing down their neck

and they need to work together to like make sure that you know

Oscar beats Max as well because then like you know the the Max is

really like fighting and he's right behind them and we need to

make sure we don't lose it but the moment they do have some

breathing space and Max is gaining and it is getting closer

but they they at this stage they can afford to just let them

race and do their own thing.

Yeah, totally agree.

That's that's the racing I want to see next question

FIFA NR six did McLaren's massive advantage today save

Piastri if the car wasn't that dominant Piastri would have

probably been fighting for P7 or P8 with his pace or weekend.

I don't that you can really talk about the because Piastri

was not feeling the massive advantage that Lando Norris had

in the car.

I think Oscar did have at times during this race good pace

that he was behind the Mercedes he was just constantly

looking like he was shaping for an overtake on somebody but

couldn't carve his way through the field like perhaps he would

have wanted at one point.

I think we would wondering if he'd be Oli Behrman to a to a

podium and things like that but I don't think it's

necessarily him being saved like he finished fifth.

It's not like he was second place but 40 seconds behind

Lando.

He still lost a huge chunk of points to his teammate.

So you know Oscar after the race chatting to I think

was Rachel Brooks seemed pretty pretty I mean neutral about it

all and slightly lost.

It has to be said it didn't he was basically trying to figure

out what would make sense and basically make learnings but

the thing is like what do you learn at Mexico at these these

heights these out at this altitude that you'll then

take into Brazil which to be fair is also decent altitude

but a very different track.

So I don't know it was an okay performance from Piastri.

I'm not going to say that he was saved by the car.

I think he's just generally struggling and yeah, there was

a huge amount of dirty air for him as well.

So a very different race to what Lando had out in front

but but Lando was clear.

Lando was absolutely dominant this weekend.

Yeah, he was clear.

It's an insane thing to think about that you just look

at that gap 42 seconds behind your teammate.

That is literally like second Red Bull driver territory that

you just don't see and I know it's sound like a broken record

but this isn't saying what is happening with Oscar Piastri to

be 42 seconds off.

He has to find something in Brazil anything just to be back

on that level because we know he's a good driver and can

do it and I don't think it's you know, I don't think

that that Lando is a way better driver than Oscar

Piastri for sure they've been so close all year that they've

been you know that the championship has been like trading

between them and I know Oscar's led it for a very long time

but in terms of like the race wins and things is very close

between them.

So this this is not where like Oscar Piastri should be

and he just has to find something in Brazil if he's

got any hope of this championship because the form is

quite frightening.

It is frightening but not in a good way for Oscar.

Let's move to someone that is very happy with their

performance and finally the breakthrough moments that

we've been speaking about for a very long time on this

podcast.

We've had good positions for him but this one was

headline worthy as of course Ollie Bearman finishing fourth

in the end and I couldn't be happier for him.

Of course we had him on the podcast not that long ago

absolutely lovely chap great to chat with him and he's

just you can just see he's living the dream.

He's obviously very new to Formula One and what tenacity

he showed today.

It's not like he's spawned in P4 and then held on for

dear life.

He fought the Verstappens and the Hamilton's and everyone

else for those positions on track exactly.

So he was not scared to get involved with the big dogs

which was great to see but then also to have the

relentless pressure of the two Mercedes behind him

constantly bearing down on him and he didn't put a foot

wrong it was what he did in that sort of lap six chaos

paid off beautifully for him because he ended up finishing

basically where he was at that point.

So I'm so happy for Ollie that he's able to have this

moment now in his Chris so close to a Hass podium

but the strategy just didn't pay off for him and it

did for Max Verstappen but you just it was awesome

to see the emotional scenes afterwards as well.

His family so proud of him.

It's just a very heartwarming moment to see Ollie finish

there.

It was incredible what what he did as well and it wasn't

like a crazy qualifying situation where he's got

his car into a good position and then no one can

overtake now.

You know he fought from ninth on the grid to get

up there into the podium spots took advantage of all

that chaos.

I mean I can't believe what I was watching when when

we saw not only had he had that good start but when

we saw that Hamilton battle and the Ollie badman just

just going through it to fourth it really was like

what what am I watching here and it was unbelievable

and you can watch every single drive rating this

year this year like so many of them and we have

this talk all the time where we go my God Ollie

badman is so so fast if he just hooked up a weekend

with no mistakes and no penalties and errors here

and there he could get an absolutely unbelievable

result and that is case in point that he hooked

it up all together and there's always that little

bit of disappointment when someone finishes P4

that's not been on the podium has have never had

a podium and they were a P4 you know it's that their

best ever result but it is it's his time will come

Ollie badman no doubt and you've you've got to think

that you know his his future if he continues this

form Ferrari Ferrari going to be looking at him

for sure.

Who will he replace that's the question in the

years to come but yeah especially when he was

running in third as well like the dream was

alive and with none of us saw a two-stop coming

as well we genuinely thought Ollie badman was on

for a for a P3 question from P1 picture remember

Caesar Caesar why did badman Russell and other

top drivers pit again they could have extended

on their mediums like Norris and the clergy.

It's a tough call I think badman obviously ran

that risk of had he not pitted he could have

dropped back all the way down and tumbled down

the order it's I know it would have been very

easy to go for broken I think the kind of that

that approach is a good job I'm not a strategist

because I always love to see them go for something

crazy and go oh you know P3 just go for it get

try and get a podium and if you finish eight

so be it but it's huge points for has and

you also look at the fact that just how much

for Stappen took out of of Leclerc by the end

you know it didn't seem like Max was racing Lecler

and then he was able to to eek out that that point

so Norris is come is a completely different scenario

because he was just untouchable and we know

how good McLaren are on their tires and I think

if particularly if like Ollie badman had stayed

out and Russell and everyone else had pitted

it would have just made him even more easy

prey and everyone would have would have passed

him so I think has actually made the right call

in the end it was touch and go for sure that

you know the mediums which is something that we

had to sort of shift our brains about a bit

didn't we because the mediums usually are the tire

they're the tire for the race everyone loves them

but they hated them this weekend that the softs

were the ones that worked so so amazingly well

and they told me during your pessimistic phase

which is to be fair all the time but you're

like your most pessimistic phase was of course

when Max was on the mediums at the start

he's got no pace this that and the other turns

out the tire was actually terrible and I can

understand as you said for Hass of a bearman

they needed to secure some points if they'd got

that wrong if they'd rolled the dice for a p3

and ended up in p8 they had been kicking themselves

because they were trying to overtake

Sauber for eighth in the constructors

which they now have so I understand from a

bearman perspective like p4 still means a huge

amount and I think it was the right decision

because you know Max gained a huge amount on

Charles Leclerc Max was never fighting Charles

Leclerc in our eyes until the obviously everything

just paved so beautifully for him and he went

on the attack and he was on pretty old

soft tires in comparison to everyone else

that had pit for brand new ones and they

were putting some lightning lap times in

so I genuinely think if Ollie had just stayed

out on his own he'd have been in a world

of trouble so probably the right decision

for sure as you say Lando in a league of

his own miles clear he could do everyone

he could literally chuck on the wet

tires get out and have a walk in a cup of

tea and get back in his car he was he was

home and dry so yeah I don't think it's

something we can have a go at for Hass

and for bearmen because it was the right

thing to do because literally everybody

else pit as well for the soft it's

not like someone gambled and made it

work that we can use as an example

like Norris and Leclerc were sort of

chilling in their own strategy for the

entire race so I don't think you can

really can't compare so I think it

made sense

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Next question P1 Petri member Edith

is my middle name did Pirelli cook

that two-stop was something else

Pirelli did cook I said it in the

watch along I I think they've

they figured it out right so what we

need a soft tyres at work medium

tyres that look like they'll work but

they don't and hard tyres that are like

putting concrete on so that they were

kind of forced into doing a two-stop

because they didn't want to be on the

mediums and the hards was just not an

alternative what that means for

future races if that's the case I

don't know but I liked it is the

unpredictability but the problem is

once Formula 1 teams learn if this

was then the trend they would learn

a way of getting around it and they'd

make sure that a one-stop works

in the future but for this one it

worked beautifully well it was such a

trade-off between the two and a one and

it was so surprising as I said to see

the two so yeah Pirelli you get my

plaudits that was a perfect strategy

race yeah I thought it wasn't going to

make a difference and I think you've

hit the nail on the head that the

reason it did work is because you

kind of had two tyres that weren't

great you know we've seen we've

seen them do this before where they

put a difference between the tyres

to try and spice up the racing but

unfortunately what happens is they

just throw away one of them that isn't

worth it and then we get exactly a

normal race but if it makes the

situation where one of them isn't

isn't good and it throws them off

yeah it's great and yeah I'm

surprised how in a track like

Mexico we always kind of mention

about sprint weekends and things are

good because they get less data and

stuff you think after three practice

sessions that have figured it like

worked it all out and stuff but

instead they didn't and f1 is always

much better for it when you get a

variable and something changes in the

race and they go oh actually no this

is completely different and you just

almost like need just like one

team and in this situation it was

kind of like Red Bull going on the

mediums changing it then everyone

sees something different that the

problem is when they all start on

the same tyres and at the same time

that's when everyone just copies

each other and so yeah Pirelli

well done and I really hope this

trend continues please please

and thank you next question people

on Patreon remember Georgina should

Mercedes have let George passed

before they did with this have

changed the outcome at all

they're in a tricky situation because

they didn't want to let George through

because Kimi Antonella was having a

good race you kind of saw there

that despite George being the one

that's having a great season

he's you know 160 points

glare of Antonelli

you kind of played out there that

like George isn't the number one

driver at Mercedes like he

probably thinks he should be

you know that that's shown by the

contract situation and everything

else and unfortunately for George

despite his best efforts and having

doing an amazing job this season

he is not far and away that the

favourite Mercedes

and they didn't know what to do

really because I think what they

had to do was either say flat

out no and I can see why

why they kind of didn't want to do

it because Kimi Antonella was

having a great race

his confidence has been shot

quite a lot of this this season

and if they'd let him go and he'd

just tumbled down the order he'd

have obviously been very frustrated

but what they did do was kind of

like wait a little bit too long

then swap and you kind of need to

make that decision one or the

other you can't kind of do half

it's something that we've seen a

few teams like Ferrari do in the

past and we say you need to make

the decision completely

and stick by your guns and just go

with it or you say no you're not

coming past but what they did was

let George Cook his tires

essentially not be able to get the

advantage didn't didn't help him

out too much and then decided to

swap when it was kind of almost a

little bit too late but yeah

George was absolutely fuming on the

radio it was quite quite crazy to

watch you know George Russell

who's someone that's very

PR friendly and whatever to

basically be very angry with this

team I think it's the first time

we've ever really seen it

yeah he properly popped off at

Mercedes he was not happy at all

that he was not being let through

it was clear that he was the

faster car at that stage of the

race I don't think you can deny

that couldn't pass Antonelli so

it wasn't like he was extra

ordinarily fast that was wild

from this team to say overtake

him by the way okay then

overtake him it's like wow

okay fine not sure what that says

and I think I do know what it says

it's total wolf saying well you

know my boy Antonelli yeah

go get him with your undisclosed

multi-year contract George Russell

or see in 2026 and they're very

sort of secretive out there about

how long they're signing George

but they should have in hindsight

yes let George pass before they

did because as we heard you know

he was overheating the car

and I think he even with that

sort of I don't know if it was a

wow or whatever he noise or sound

he made after he was let through

but it almost felt like a too

little too late sort of moment

because after that he put he made

no impression really on bearman

as much as we kind of expecting

it maybe he was going to mount a

challenge he couldn't get close

he didn't do any more than what

Kimmy Antonelli was able to do

so yeah if I was George I'd

feel a little bit aggrieved

why would they make them fight

when it's not even for the win

they're not even on the podium at

this stage and Antonelli had a

solid amount of time to try and

make an impression on bearman

but but didn't so it's an

interesting message it sets

at Mercedes doesn't it going

into next year when they're

both signed again we think

in theory that you know Mercedes

could well have the the car

to beat and you know George

is seeing there that he's not

got the the backing of his

team and that number one status

that maybe he kind of thinks that

that he should deserve with with

Kimmy the kind of rookie and

that they would would basically

be like yeah we'll do good for

the team you're quicker have a

go and we'll swap back but

they were very much like no

thank you it also doesn't

shout that they give two hoots

about the constructors

championship because they are

locked in same I know

Tommy I know it was an excuse

I literally tossed the ball up

to you to get home with it

but it's an insightful thing

yeah I know Tommy but it said

also it is an insightful thing

that you know if Mercedes truly

cared about that and maximizing

the points you think McLaren

are in this fight for second

place in the constructors

they're the ones constantly

maximizing every ounce of

a point out there Mercedes

like yeah you two can fight

don't worry about that one

we'll finish fourth in the

constructors no problem

very strange very strange a lot

of money on the line as well

for sure with the teams

so let's head now to

biggest winner driver

or team I think for me

has to be Lando Norris

it is a huge statement

in the championship

for this race weekend

completely and utterly

untouchable

from start to finish

so for me Lando Norris

and honorable mention to

Ollie Berman but I think in

the greater concept

context of the championship

it is a massive weekend for

Lando I can't believe

Ollie Berman is fourth

and I'm not going to pick in

as big as winner

which is insane

but it has to be Lando Norris

we said last

you know our controversial

the controversial opinion

that was was picked

in best reactions

last time out was

that is Lando now

championship favorite

I was kind of like well

yeah I can see it

and it kind of got

almost like laughed

off a little bit

saying that he what

he was third favorite

before you know

coming into this weekend

all the talk was on

Oscar's got the points lead

Max Verstappen's coming

can he win the title

Lando's completely forgotten

and I think this win

now surely makes Lando

the overwhelming favorite

he's got the car underneath him

it's a completely dominant win

he's got the points gap as well

on Max Verstappen

who we know

knows how to win

win titles so

yeah it's got to be Lando

right what about biggest loser

I think my suggestion

for this one is Alpine

they were literally

in another formula

yeah it's crazy isn't it

37 seconds

Gasly finished behind Lance Stroll

Colopinto finished

three tenths behind his teammate

because these two apparently

are glued together

for the entire race

but Alpine my God

like they just

absolutely nowhere

so they get my biggest loser

hmm yeah

definitely up there

think not that long as I may

I mean he got told to let

Stroll through and then

mysteriously then just retired the car

yeah

I think Carlos

I think Carlos Sainz is a good shout

as well the fact that he put in

that unbelievable qualifying lap

and then had of course the penalty

and then just an awful race

with the fact that

you know he had his pit limiter problems

and then they gave him a drive-through

which felt like trolling

from the FIA really to be like

right come on have another go

test your pit limiter

come on yeah test it again

see if it's working this time

come on

yeah there's a few

there's a few candidates here

I think you know Lewis Hamilton

has been hard done by

what should have been

potentially the podium

finally happening

he's finished down in eighth

but yeah I did look at Alpine

actually and just think like

my God they are

in a kind of situation now

where it feels like

for the kind of

few races gone by like

we don't have like a far and away worse team

that very much is Alpine

they are almost becoming like

the Williams or the Hass of years

gone by where they are just

fighting at the back

and miles off

I think it just shows that

they literally just don't care

about this kind of like

not even a single point of them

is thinking about 2025

they're just putting four wheels on the car

a front wing and a rear wing

and going

go on lad off you go

it's interesting that the gasoline color pinta

always seemed to be having

the greatest race of all time

for the final position

they're always locked in together

and battling for

no team orders this time

from what we could tell

but maybe there was

which this wasn't televised

right let's head to our predictions

that we made on Wednesday

to see how we did

it is currently level pegging

47 a piece

we had the good surprise

where I went for Oscar Piastri

and that was really surprisingly bad

so that's no points for me

and I went for George Russell

who also had a pretty poor race

I'm not beaten by Kimmy Antonelli

so that is definitely not a good surprise

now this my big flop

oh my god I forgot about this

my big flop is up there

with one of

probably your Baku prediction

not your good one

your very very bad one

this is a generationally bad

big flop

because I went for Ollie Bearman

and had the greatest race

who almost got a podium for Haas

so my big flop

that I've been celebrating

this entire season

for getting me a lot of points

has backfired massively

indeed

yeah I went for Yuki Senoda

who finished 11th

finishing 11th sorry

there's absolutely no chance

there's a big flop

however I will say

Yuki was going sort of

quite quietly about his business

I'm not saying he was

Max Verstappen podium territory

but he had a 12 second pit stop

12 seconds

my guy was easily finishing 9th

I reckon

which of course

you know not the dizzying heights

of Ollie Bearman

but he was he was doing

very well indeed

for what is that second red bull seat

and the strategy was right

I think he had the same as Max Verstappen

pretty much

you stayed out Deney

for a very long time

and running up and forth

wasn't behind Max

but he basically was like

hung out to dry a little bit as well

with the strategy

and then the pit stop just

yeah just absolutely killed his race

so I feel sorry for Senoda

but it is not a flop Tommy

well you know he's had a bad start

no no no no no no

that's not it

okay right let's go to pole position

where I went for Max Verstappen

incorrect

and I went for Landon Horace

which is

congratulations I'll be happy with the money

third place I went for Charles LeClerc

which was too

low

unbelievable! And also the VSC, yeah, crazy. Yeah, wouldn't be good for the

championship. No, not on the podium once again for

Piastri. In second place, I went for Max Verstappen, which was one too high. So I

could have got two points and I got none! And I went for Landon Orris. I obviously

wanted him to go wanted to go for him for the win, but you blocked me. How

day? I did indeed. In first place, I went for Landon Orris. So I could have had a

three-pointer. Oh, my word, the VSC cost you. Which is devastating. I knew there was

something within me that was willing for Max Verstappen to get through on

Charles Leclerc at the end. I didn't know what it was, because of course it's

completely, it doesn't make sense, because I want Charles Leclerc to finish

P2, but then also Charles Leclerc finishing P3. Does that change anything

in the world? No, not really, but it puts Max close from the championship. It

also puts me ahead in the championship. But no, alas, the stupid VSC. I mean,

I'm even more angry about that now. What about our one crazy prediction? For me,

I went for track limits for one of the top three in either qualifying, important

Q3 that, or penalty in the race. And that did not happen. I wish, I wish I'd

said not top three in the championship. Wait, did I say top three? Or did I

just say top three? What's written down here says one of the top three. And

there was 100% track limits. What were you saying? No, no. Yeah, penalty in

the race. Hamilton was third and he got a penalty. You can't just give a penalty

for anyone there. No, that's not, that's not. Yeah, I did mean top three in the

championship, but I wish I had said just the top three and then I would have

got it. I said, what were you thinking? No, no. I said all McLaren pit

stops for under three seconds. I can't believe. The way I knee slid on the

watch along when Oscar Piastri back to 3.6. The way I shouted F off, F off

McLaren during quite loudly and within three seconds got a WhatsApp from my

wife saying, please don't swear so loud because Grace is in the room behind

and she hadn't gone to bed yet. Oh my God, can you imagine? She adds to her

vocabulary. Do, do, do, do it. Max Verstappen and then F off McLaren. Wow,

that is absolute cinema if that happened. It is a bit weird, though,

isn't it? For you to be obviously in this championship rooting for a quick

McLaren pit stop when every fibre of your being is wanting the other side of

that. Yeah, I mean, if Landau's had a 33 second pit stop, it is still one.

So that's true. That's true. Our Patreon prediction. If you're part of the P1

Patreon, then you get to submit a prediction that we select the one that

I chose was Alan Enderpay. Someone ignores team orders. I feel like

Colla Pinto. We might find out later, but as time of recording, no social

video to suggest that there was any ignoring of team orders, sadly.

And I went for captain of 3420 at least two championship contenders have some

sort of incident with each other on lap one and let Landau and Max were

four wide going into the corner. He was involved. Incident. That's what

you said. Crash contact push goes fully off track. Technically Landau was on

the inside. So he pushed Max off because he was getting the bin. You was far too

specific with this. Captain obs. Otherwise, you might have been able to get away

with that. So it's 48 all now. 48 also. It's a great week for predictions.

We both score one point and keep it level. So it's one point separating

Norris and Piastri. It's zero between Gallagher and Bellingham. What

about the family top three? It's currently 10 nine to the boring

Bellingham's as we know always. And I fielded my sister in third place went

for Fernando Alonso, which sadly, sadly did not finish.

My mum went for Oscar Piastri. No. In second position again, screwed over

by the VSC. My sister went for Max Verstappen. And my mum went for

Landau Norris. No. And in first position, my sister, to be fair, she got two

of three in the top three. Correct. Shall declare she went for P one. He was

close 30 seconds behind, but still close because he finished P two. So no

points, sadly. Landau disqualification. She could be getting two points.

Yeah. And my mum went for Max Verstappen. So incorrect. So no points

at any of them. So it stays 10 nine. Okay, there you go. Wow. That is

incredible work. Enjoyed speaking about all of those different incidents.

I'm sure you'll all have your own opinions on what happened with

your favorite driver and how we have agendas against them. But we look

forward to reading all of that. But I honestly, I'm loving Formula One

now it's been it's needed an injection of just just chaos, just a

bit of, I don't know, Mexico is like, you know what, guys, we need a

little bit of something. They did it. Of course, Landau wins. But the

whole picture of the championship is so beautifully poised still.

Would love it if Max was just within a race win to make things

I know, just a few more points still got four races to go. My

guy, if he wins in Brazil, let's just say wins in Brazil.

Second place. Landau 36 becomes 29. All of a sudden Tommy is

getting two letters of the tattoo. 29 is that enough? I don't

know. No, no, it's not enough. You need to be ahead. But it's

still in reach. Yeah, he's still in reach. Whereas Charles Leclerc

was out of contention two races ago. So you're just still in

there, which actually he should have argued on the radio and

said, look, I'm the one going for the championship here. Oh my

God, that would have been so fun. That would have been the

funniest radio ever. That would have been the greatest

ever. I've seen that meme about everyone DNF thing. I've been

so good. Right. Thank you everybody for tuning into the

podcast. Remember P1 live delusion tour tickets still

available. We are going there next week. So if you're free,

come along. We'd love to see you there. And Tommy, what are

your final thoughts? Final thoughts are good job, Mexico.

Very good job. Well done. Well done. Not Baku. Same again

next year, please. Yes, please with the new cars. God, what

are they going to be like? I cannot wait to see. Well,

they've been cutting out down the mainstream. Yeah, might

have to get out and push it. Right. Thank you, everybody. We'll

see you soon. Lots of love. Drive ratings coming soon. Week off

then Brazil. Brazil. Brazil's coming. Come on. Bye.

Thanks for say bye, Tommy.

You're waving. But what about audio? Say bye.

Bye.

Thank you. Well done.

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