sitting right there sat there for four or five weeks ago, they
were like, Oh, yes, we send out all those old shitters from from
the
s
all them rusty old cars, some mugs have bought them. And then
literally now they're going, that guy, Patrick wheeling, he's
just cost us an absolute to refit them all and sell them
out as new cars. How
I did I yeah, I've had some more revealing information as
well that kind of goes to explain a lot of this. So
Citroen sent out an email to a bunch of Ami customers who
haven't received their cars yet, who are await awaiting extended
PDIs. And as part of that, they said that they had sold 150
Ami. So that was selling out of the previous generation was an
additional 150. So let's assume that there was maybe 1000 in
total that have been sold since they came out in the UK
in what 2021. And then the other thing was speaking to
the delivery driver. And he said, because he didn't know
my situation, he just assumed my car was being delivered
for the first time. He's like, Oh, you're lucky, your one's
clean. And I was like, Oh, are they not normally clean? And
he's like, Well, like loads of people got let go of this
company, they've downscaled staff, but obviously the work as
with all companies these days, the workers stayed the same. But
they've downscaled the amount of people they have either fired
them made the redundant whatever. And so he's like,
yeah, they don't even bother cleaning them anymore, they
just put number plates on them and send them out. He's
like what I do is because he's the guy who delivers all of
the press ones as well to motor shows and stuff. And he
says, what I normally do is I clean them on the way to his
delivery and I just charge back to Citroen. Because they're a
third party company in this, they're obviously contracted by
Citroen to receive the cars at port, store them, PDI them,
deliver them. Yeah, I thought that was rather revealing, as
usual, with a large company, they've decided to reduce the
workforce and keep the workload the same. And that means
things like washing the car doesn't become a priority,
which seems crazy.
So to be fair, we had guessed that that they just stuck
some number plates on it and sent it to it.
Yeah. But now they're doing extended PDI, as you said, so
there's someone that sounds they're going, yep, that's got
rust on it. Yep, that's got rust on it.
But I've seen I've I've seen I've seen a few so what alongside
this email I've seen from other people, is they're
sending photos of the condition of the vehicle prior to
delivery. And they're saying, this is your car, would you
like it or not? And that's the pictures are I've seen
and I'll try and find one and put up on screen. Now, it's
not rust that they're showing as a big issue. It's the fact
that it's like discoloured bodywork, as in the blue
plastic is discoloured. And it's like, it looks like it's
been near like a fireplace or something, which is odd. So
yeah, I don't think it's over for them yet. But
So just for anyone that's outside the UK, every March
and September, we get a new registration in the UK. So
you can basically tell how old a car is by its
registration, unless it's got a private plate. We're in
September now. So obviously yours is a 75 plate car. Oh,
no, that's right. It'd be 25 plate car. So you've just
you finally got your brand new car in September. It's
actually, it's actually on a 25 plate, but actually was
built in 2022.
Anyway, listen, don't decide I'm glad that you've got your new
car. And also, part of what we're doing in this episode with
the challenge, whilst I was trawling through AutoTrader
and other online sites, I did notice that, as you've
mentioned before, Pat, Amis are holding their value
well. In fact, you can find like two or three year old
ones for five grand, whether they're selling for that or
not. I don't know. But there's one I saw that it said only
six and a half thousand miles and it's a 22 plate for five
grand, right? So and you paid less than that for yours. I'm
brand new for four and a half, four and a half. And and
then when I read a lot of miles for an Ami, how do you
do six and a half thousand miles in an Ami? I've
literally been driving it nonstop since they picked
up in 2022. But anyway, so at least I guess there's that
side of it. And I know none of that bothers you. But
anyway, I'm glad to see on your socials that you've got
your car and I can't wait for you to take me for a
drive in it. In fact, I can't wait to have a little
driver myself. Can you imagine? I'd sort of see a
picture of Joe sat in an Ami. It looked like it looked
like Donkey Kong. I think you'd be surprised just
how much space there is in the inside. I think both
of you actually, because my flatmate six foot four
and he's on the insurance and he drives it
because it's here at the flat. And I was worried
like, oh yeah, is he even going to be able to drive
this thing? Because no, it's actually quite spacious
inside. He doesn't have a problem. Pete, your
long legs might be a little bit more of a problem.
But how many horsepower does it have, Pat? I
actually have no idea. Do I need to Google that?
Joe, did you find out when you were looking
it up? No, no, I just want to use this as
our benchmark to see what the cost per horsepower
is for your Ami. It's eight, eight brake horsepower.
Oh, big in the game. So you've paid five hundred
and sixty two pounds per horsepower.
Hang on, hang on, but it could, will it,
hang on, will this be worse? So hang on, this
will be a great segue into the second car
that I received in the last few days of coming
off holiday, which was my Porsche Mac.
Oh, no, oh, oh, Segways are my, that's
what I do. So I'm just going to work out
how much per horsepower the Porsche has
cost me. That doesn't look right.
But is this, is this after you've got the
bill for getting it back on the road?
Yeah, so this is all costs so far.
It's how much was the Ami?
Five hundred and sixty two pounds or
horsepower. Six hundred and forty five.
Oh, similar.
Yeah, because the nine twelve has 90
brake horsepower. So there you go.
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So some people might not know that
you actually are a Porsche owner.
Yeah, I mean, I forgot for six
months of this year, 12 months of
the year before, I mean, I've owned
it since twenty twenty two.
How many miles have you done in it, Pat?
I did a quarter of the mileage
I've ever done in that car yesterday.
And so it's four hundred in total.
I did a hundred yesterday.
I drove it back from 100 miles.
Yeah, four hundred miles.
Yeah, I did.
Yeah, a hundred miles back from
Tuttles to my dad's and then for
my dad's to home in London.
And it didn't skip a beat.
It didn't break down.
It was probably the I'd argue
it's probably the second most
stressful drive of my life, the
first being the Passat efficiency
run because that was definitely the
most stressful thing I've ever done.
But driving the nine twelve back
was was yeah, was I just
I just if anything happened again,
I don't know. I think I'd have to.
I don't know why I do basically.
So it was like this this needs to
work now, given the amount of money
I put into it. And it does.
Honestly, it was it didn't miss a
beat. The gearbox is brilliant.
Like it's the gears are now
super tight.
I've got a fifth gear, which I
didn't realise I had before.
Dogleg first clutch is lovely.
Like sits in the motorway 50 60
65 70 if you want to overtake,
but it's a bit loud at those kind
of speeds because the amount of
throttle input you need to give it.
But honestly, drove home.
It's got if you've ever driven a
classic nine eleven, the windshield
is massive. So you've got this
amazing view out as well.
Yeah, it's brilliant. I'm super
excited about it now. I just want
to use it more and more starts
on the button.
Yeah, and it's only cost me a house
deposit. So that's good.
So you bought a nine on two.
The engine went.
You got the engine fixed.
Yeah, got it back.
Then you took out for drive.
The gearbox went.
You sent it to touch.
Yeah, the touch.
The fix the gearbox and you got
it back again. Yeah, yeah.
It's like the most mechanically
sorted car.
When I bought it, I think it
worked and the engine worked in
gearbox. And I did drive around
a little bit. I did, you know,
20 30 miles tinkering around
by my dad's house and it was
fine. It was.
Yeah, then the engine blew up
in the gearbox, but my plan was
to put the money I've spent in
it into the bodywork and make
it look nice because it had a
working engine in gearbox.
I've now done the inverse.
So I've now spent all the money
I would have spent on the
bodywork on making it
mechanically sound, which
means it looks like a car
that shouldn't work, but it
does. So now I'm going to
we just have some rough
rough figures.
What what is what you bought
it for and what you spent
on it rough figures.
OK, so it cost me
25 grand to buy it, which
seemed like really good value at
the time because they're worth
50 60 70, depending on their
condition. So I was like, I've
got a bit of a deal here.
Like I said, I'll fix up the
bodywork to make it perfect.
And then it'll be worth what
it's worth in the market.
And then I've spent
just over more than that
on the engine in gearbox
alone. Plus I did the
interior and all the other
usual things of fixing,
tinkering of cars, all that
kind of stuff. So we've
spent way more than it cost me
on it at this point.
So you like 50 60 K in
something like that.
Yeah, I could have bought
981 GT4 in cash instead,
which I think I might have got a
bit more use out of in the
last three years.
But yeah, yeah, that's
where about where we are at
the moment. But right now,
this is if we were to do another
challenge, which is like how
much fun you can get out, how
many how many miles you can
get out for a price.
Right. My cost of ownership
right now, my cost per
mile is very high.
But now that it's working,
I'm going to use it a lot
and enjoy it.
And then that cost per mile
will come down and down and
down 50 grand for 400
miles. That is quite a lot.
I mean, that's like worse than
a Taycan.
Like, yeah, I could have just
yeah, just could have bought
a two nine six or something
instead and just burnt the
money. But yeah.
Um, yeah.
So so for now, yeah, I'm
just excited to be able to
use it. Obviously, we're
coming into like autumn.
So that's not ideal.
But until the roads are
sorted and we've got dry
days, I'll go out and
use it. I'll put miles
on it. Just stretch legs
because the engine again,
it's barely even run in.
It's only done three, four
hundred miles. Right.
So that's not even really
running gearbox.
Apparently it doesn't need to
be running, but it's good to
obviously use all the gears
for the first thousand miles.
I don't just sit on the
motorway, you know, make
sure all the gears can get
better than fine.
But um, but no, it's
I'm still stressed about it,
but it will get better over
the next few weeks as I
put more miles on it and
it does fingers crossed
doesn't break down on me
and then I can have a bit
more confidence in it and
you know, take it to places
maybe I'll even get it to a
track day.
Who knows?
Oh, wow.
Well, I'll make sure I'm not
behind you just in case
there's a fluid spillage.
Yeah. Yeah.
If it goes well, it might be
a different type of fluid
spillage.
Anyway, moving on.
That's a that's a segue
and a half. Oh, yeah.
I'm on fire today.
So the next one is
what we've been up to.
Now, we've all been really
busy. I don't think
when was the last time we
all got together?
Would it have been boxing
gas?
We did some digital ones
after that, about two weeks
ago, in terms of physically
together, because then
obviously you've been on
holiday, but Joe, you've
been, well, if anyone
were to guess where you've
been, you went to the Alps
again.
Yeah.
Yeah, I went off.
I did.
When I picked up my bike,
I think it was end of March
this year.
Obviously, we've had a
fantastic summer in the UK
where there's been amazing.
I've seen so many bikes out
and about and
I've been enjoying my bike
and various press bikes this
year, really enjoying
being a bike.
I feel like I've sort of
taken the next step this
year, obviously owning a bike
and but in my head,
because I purchased my bike,
I thought I need to take
that that bike on a proper
journey, a bit like you with
your lovely new car paired
and hopefully packed with
this Porsche next year, I'm
sure I wanted to sort of
stamp, put my own stamp on
it and take it away and,
and, you know, show my
audience if anything else
that I've brought it to
use it and enjoy it.
So I kind of followed
a similar route to what I
did on the GS a couple
of years ago, that press
bike.
And it was brilliant.
Six days, two
just over 2,000 miles,
which is a lot of miles on
a bike over that sort of
period of time, especially
when I'd say 60, 70% of
them were in the twisties.
And, and in my head, my
aim, I kind of set myself.
I wanted to go to the Alps,
but my end point was,
and this is what I told Lou
before I'd left, I think I
said it in my intro was
my end point is having a
coffee in Monaco.
So that no matter what
happened, I had to get
into Monaco, park the bike up,
sit in the cafe, have a coffee
and then turn around and come
back. And that's essentially
what I did. And I tell you
what, it was it was amazing.
I really, really enjoyed every
every second of it.
I was worried about my health
because as you both know
very well, it's been a bit
up and down this year.
So I wasn't sure that I'd get,
you know, I might get deep
into the Alps and suddenly
feel really bad.
And in the car, that's
difficult. But if I was stuck
on a bike, it's you use
a lot of physical energy on
a bike and mental energy as
well, you know, so so it was
great. Yeah, I loved it.
Really got to explore the
bike, my ability
on a bike is, I think
because every time because
I'm so new to biking, every
time I spend an hour or
a day on the bike, my
ability and my learning curve
gets better because it's,
you know, it's a it's a
relatively small amount of
time that I've spent on
bikes in general.
So I learned a lot about
bike control.
And it was just good for the
mind. I'm getting married in
three weeks or whatever it is.
So it was a bit can make.
I mean, yeah, in a bike trip
with a ball and chains really,
really hard.
It's just not happening.
So you can we go.
We're going this week,
mate.
I'm off this evening.
I'm off with my parents.
We're going to France.
We're going to go.
We only got three and a
half, four days.
So I've got an M3CS touring
press car and I thought I'm
going to take it to the road
that Pat and I film the ST on.
You also took your bike there,
though, didn't you?
Did I take my bike there?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, which was
really fun.
It's just an area.
It's kind of near.
It's like the Champagne region
ish. It's near Tua
in France and it's just a
wonderful sort of area.
It's not too.
It's four hours off the
Euro tunnel.
So we're just going to go
there, stay in the hotel for
a few days.
I'm going to do a filming,
hang out with them.
It's my birthday and a couple
of days and
celebrate that.
Unfortunately without Lou
because she's got so much work
on at the moment
and so much wedding planning
going on that I should be
involved in.
But anyway, yeah.
So that was cool.
That was really good.
And I enjoyed it and I'm
glad because as we all know
the last few days, I know
Pat, you just got back
from the holiday and suddenly
it feels like there's been
a change in the weather, right?
It's like that.
That extended summer we had.
It's just like, ah, it feels
a bit more
autumnal now and maybe wintry.
But yes, I've been busy.
But you've been busy, Pat.
You've been
you've been here there and
everywhere.
I did Carfest.
Oh, yes.
Oh, yes.
Welcome to the Treadshed.
The Treadpeds Treadshed.
Yeah, I worked Carfest
with Michelin and Protire.
I went to Carfest last year
very briefly and it's
it's a it's a really interesting event.
I heard it harshly called
basically a Timu festival of speed.
But I think it's probably
probably a bit harsh.
But we had a great time.
We had a panel discussion
three times a day on three
different subjects that I hosted.
Met some really cool people,
did a lap round,
did a lap round the little circuit
they got there with Moggy in his
very, very ridiculous beetle.
And I was good, really, really good.
And then did I hear that
Peter was running cup twos as well.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, it was.
We left most of them at Carfest
to be a pair on.
Well, he did a lot of burnouts
because he's got line lock on it.
So you've got a button
that you can push that locks
the front brakes.
And then when he's
when he's on the start line
with the rear wheels spinning round,
you can see the speedo moving.
He got up to like nearly a hundred
miles an hour,
but we weren't moving.
Wow.
And then
but he did a whole three days
on one set of tyres.
I don't think he drove home
on that one set of tyres,
but he had some spares with him.
But yeah, that's some impressive
heat cycles.
Oh, yeah.
And then this weekend
just gone.
I was at Salon Privet
with locked in performance.
We did a drive out with Salon
Privet and five zero supercars
on the Wednesday,
which was my first drive out
in the spider.
I only got caught out in the rain
twice and had to stop
and put the roof up
because I was determined to have
the roof down all day,
but it was not happening.
Yeah, it was good.
Really, really good.
And then I'm away next week
on holiday, which is very nice.
And we're very much
afford to escaping the crappy
weather by the looks of it.
Amazing.
Yes.
So you just said there
you got caught out twice
to the roof down.
That's the problem with a bike.
And thankfully during the six days,
I've got 45 minutes of rain,
which I'll take all day long now
and reflection, obviously.
But when you're on a French toll
route, you know how there's like
25 minutes, half an hour
between each junction
and you're sitting there.
Suddenly you're like, oh,
clouds are going back.
Oh, oh, it's raining.
There's nothing you can do on a bike.
You can't just you can't just
stop and pull over.
Even even a complicated
spider roof is just yeah.
It's so were you in water?
But your our leather's waterproof.
What do you have like a set
of waterproofs in your backpack?
Or what's the crack?
Well, as you can see behind me,
I have to say a shout out to him
because honestly, we all work
predominantly in the car industry
and we get some amazing opportunities.
But in the bike world,
and I think I've mentioned this
on the podcast before,
you get looked after so well
by a lot of brands and RST,
who having an incredible clothing,
motorbike clothing range.
And they do helmets as well,
our helmets and stuff.
It's a big wholesaler.
But they've got so many
different technical garments
and I'm still to be honest,
a bit lost.
I feel like I know more about riding
in motorbikes than I do about gear
because they probably sell
40 different styles of jackets.
But this one that they sent me
the black one behind me,
it's a heavily ventilated jacket.
So it's designed for the summer.
So when you've got it on,
it feels like you're almost wearing
a t-shirt, which at first is weird
because it's like, oh my God,
like, have I have I got
have I got any gear on?
You know, like everything.
But but they've all got
these amazing membrane things
that you can zip in and out.
And so that one came with a
windproof waterproof membrane.
So so when you've got that in,
obviously it blocks the air
and warms you up
and keeps you relatively dry.
But then when you get down to the outside,
I was having days when I was in Monaco,
it was like 33, 34 degrees.
So obviously that was completely out.
So there are things you can do
to keep yourself relatively dry.
But I think the main thing is
making sure that your luggage
and your gear is in a really good
waterproof bag because, you know,
the last thing you're gonna do
is get to a hotel.
And if you're soaked,
you want to open the bag
and if everything else is soaked.
But that's all part of the attraction
for me is like, you know,
you've you've had a couple of boxes.
Well, they've actually,
that's probably a bad example
because they're really good with luggage.
But we've all had press cars
that are limited, let's say,
with luggage space.
I mean, GT3 RS, for instance,
when we went to Spa.
But and you think, oh, you know,
you're stuffing in like bags
of shoes in the cage.
And but you can get a lot of gear
in there relatively speaking.
Whereas on a motorbike,
if I'm trying to travel
with a 30, I had a 30 litre bag
and my tank bag.
And you know me, I turn up
to some of these Michelin events
and you guys take the piss out of me
because I've got like six pairs of shoes.
Yeah, exactly.
How many did you manage to fit in the bike?
Did you have them all like hanging off
the handlebars and stuff?
I had them around my neck,
you know, like the shoelaces
and then sort of hanging here like that.
No, so yeah, in that instance,
it's like, right, so I've got my riding boots
and then I'm bringing one pair of trainers
and they even those,
I had to think they had to be lightweight,
nice, comfortable trainers.
Couldn't Pilotti just send some down though to Monaco?
Couldn't they?
Well, maybe you could find a pair,
I don't know if you've got a pair,
maybe like, I don't know, black, really yellow,
you know,
like transforming trainers.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it looks like a bumble,
but oh look, yeah, yeah.
No, I couldn't find any of those.
But it was like, it was quite a nice challenge.
It's like it's almost like,
you know, you've got that mountain space,
what do you need?
And basically what can you not bring?
Even down to things like the toothpaste,
you'll end up bringing like small travel toothpaste
that you sort of maybe bring on a plane
or small deodorants and just to try and minimize everything.
And I think there's something quite nice about that.
And then when you get home,
I was saying to Lou yesterday,
I was unpacking that bag finally
and there was only maybe one T-shirt
and a jumper that I didn't end up using.
So I packed pretty well,
but it does teach you about sort of wastage
and that actually you can literally live out
of a bag for a week.
And I know it sounds ridiculous to some people, but yeah,
once again.
I'm going to upset the motorcycle community here,
but they're not necessarily people
known for their personal hygiene.
So we're in a T-shirt, the same T-shirt for like four days
and a pair of underpants for a couple days
probably isn't a major issue, is it?
Well, but this is true.
But then I'm not a fully blown biker.
But then say how many pairs of underpants did you take?
I brought a pair for every day and I used them all.
Oh, good.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, so, yeah, but anyway.
So it's just, it's different things that you don't,
like, you know, tonight going off with my parents,
I've got a three series touring.
I'm going to be bringing six pairs of trainers
probably in three noses.
Of course you are.
How many pairs of Pilates?
Three?
Oh.
Oh, wow.
Probably one.
You need to have your driving shoes for in the car.
Then you've got to have your shoes for the photo shoot.
Then you've got to have your shoes for dinner.
Shoes for your birthday itself, obviously.
You have special shoes for that.
I tell you what, this guy,
the amount of grief I get for my channel partners,
you're the OG, mate.
You have more product placement than anything.
I got grief, actually, I'm going to,
while we're on this subject,
because I've got a comment that's really, really
bloody annoying.
Is doing kind of these product placements,
all joking aside, is ad revenue these days
is so shocking that you've got no choice
but to work with partners and products
to help fund what we do.
Because if you didn't do it,
all these people moaning that we do it
that watch our videos for free,
you literally wouldn't be able to do it.
Whether that's Michelin or Piloti
or for me, Lockton Performance or 5-0 Supercars,
all of these are critical cogs in the wheel
that allow us to do this job.
And, you know, unfortunately,
we don't have the ad revenue of some of the bigger channels
like your Matt Armstrong's who's smashing it.
It's the only choice we have.
But even he must be feeling it,
even with his views,
because we're getting less per view than we ever were.
So even for him, it must be,
but you said it right, cogs in the wheel.
And if it's a cog in the wheel,
which it is with what you,
the companies and the brands that you work with
and the same with me,
they're cogs in the wheel.
Whereas, and I know this is going slightly off-subject,
but there's a lot of...
Oh, see, there's my segue to let you to talk about.
No, no, no, that was my segue, actually.
Yeah, there are cogs that most certainly aren't on the wheel
and we're seeing so much of it at the moment.
And I'm not going to go on about it
and sound like a cynical old man,
but there is some pathetic integrations
and advertisement going on at the moment,
mostly with Chinese brands.
And it just really boils my piss
to see some of these people that are out there that...
We're starting with super car audiences
advertising family Chinese cars.
Yeah, but not just advertising.
I'm saying then they are the best.
I've got some quotes here.
One second.
It's just...
It's just...
It's a ridiculous...
It's gone way too far
and it is just pathetic that these people are doing it.
Affordable, stylish, ultimate family car.
A Cherry Tigo 8 is the ultimate family car.
I mean, I didn't realise that, but apparently it is.
Anyway, let's move on.
I think I can add a bit of insight
from the other side of this.
I'm not a YouTuber.
I work on the backend production,
but also I previously did talent management
and I still work on a bit of commercial deals and stuff.
So I have an understanding of what brands want and need.
I think my biggest thing I've always said to brands
and I always try and reaffirm
whenever you do anything commercial,
which then pays the bills or facilitates better content,
is that brands should be seen to facilitate things
your audience can enjoy or benefit from.
So it should always be of benefit to your audience.
Like Michelin facilitate amazing opportunities,
video ideas, like that's the relationship you have with them.
It's either content that's interesting
or content that you want to do anyway
that can be helped by Michelin.
Whether it is directly financially,
I mean, I still can't believe,
you probably still get comments today, Joe,
about the Passat trip.
People saying,
why did you spend 600 pound on the Euro tunnel?
You didn't need to spend that much.
Like it was, that was like a weirdly,
like people latch onto that in that video.
Yeah.
It's not the thousands of thousands of pounds
we spent on a two and a half grand car.
It was the fact that we spent 600 good in the Euro tunnel,
but brands like that,
and brands that you work with,
they provide you opportunity
and that brand provides a benefit to your audience.
Sometimes the product that you're promoting
is the benefit.
Like you like the product,
you would recommend the product.
Joe would recommend RST jackets.
We would recommend not yellow night dunk trainers,
but maybe some Pilates.
But we talked about the products.
Real about putting Michelin tyres
on my mountain bike this week.
People saying how it was,
oh yeah, we get it, you're sponsored by Michelin.
I'm like, well, I'm just showing another side.
Some people might have realised
that they do a rain to bike tyres.
That's all I'm showing.
Before we move on to our,
before we move on to our next subject,
I've been trying to get this segue in loads of times.
I was going to use shoes on feet
to shoes on your bike, Joe,
but what Michelin tyres are you running on that bike?
Because you spoke about rain, 33 degrees,
like in a car, I'm going to pick a PS4S or a PS5
depending on what my car is.
But what is your bike equivalent?
I know your bike is a kind of a off,
slightly more off road bias if you want,
but like where did you go in terms of fitting on a tyre
that suited all weather conditions?
So yeah, my F900GS is an adventure bike.
It's a middleweight adventure bike.
I think no term it has.
So let's call it an adventure bike
because a lot 90% of people that have adventure bikes
use them mostly on road.
So I would almost class an adventure bike
as something like a BMW X5 in the car world, right?
Again, most people use SUVs on the road.
And so as a result,
the tyre choice for that sort of bike is quite vast.
And there's a lot of different tyres ranging from,
let's say, Anarchy, Michelin, Anarchy Wilds,
which are almost like motocross tyres
with big nobbles on them,
designed predominantly to go off road
with a bit of on-road ability.
And then the ones that I've got on the bike at the moment,
I took on that trip are Anarchy roads.
So they're designed for adventure bikes,
but actually they're basically road tyres.
So it'd be like a PS4S SUV on an X5M, for instance.
That's what I would translate.
So it was a predominantly road tyre
that dealt with, yeah, would deal with wet roads, dry roads.
It dealt with heat very well,
because I started pushing them.
I got them, you know, worn the rear one,
especially right to the edge of the tyre,
which I was quite happy with.
What do you call them?
No, no.
Chick, chick, chick.
Chick.
Chick and strip apparently.
Oh, chick and strips.
You might have to beep that one out.
That's all right.
I'll beep out one of the two words.
Yeah, so my bike, definitely all those tyres
had massive chicken strips on them before I left,
but by the time I'd been in the Alps or a day,
those chicken strips started to disappear and now they're.
But I mean, bike tyres, just quickly talking about them.
I talked about it a bit in one of my vlogs,
which will be out in about eight months time, probably,
but we've talked about MoGP tyres,
but in a way, a tyre, a road bike tyre
or any sort of bike tyre,
and it's the same, I guess, for bicycles as well,
is you've got to think about what the tyres design is to do,
because my bike, during a normal motorbike's life,
it probably spends 95% of its life more or less upright.
And so 95% of your tyre wear is on that tiny bit
in the centre of the tyre, because the tyre's upright.
But, and so, if you use a bike tyre for years,
what happens is the tyre gets quite square,
because the middle of the tyre wears out.
And so, but then at the same time,
that centre patch of the tyre has to deal
with maximum acceleration, in some case,
over 200 horsepower on the sports bike,
and maximum braking ability, which is amazing
with these new braking systems.
So you've got to make that centre piece of tyre wear so well,
and I'm talking about a 20p coin contact patch.
That's got to wear extremely well,
but yet provide braking and acceleration grip.
And then when you get towards the edge of the tyre,
so the anarchy roads are like a two compound,
so softer on the outside shoulders
and then harder on the inside.
The outside, I almost have a less respect or admiration,
because the outside, you're on it much less,
you can make it a bit softer, give you the grip.
But it's that centre piece, which does boggle my mind,
because on a car tyre,
we're running mostly across the tread of the tyre,
so you've got that much of a contact patch, you know?
And I find that fascinating,
because we're not talking about small numbers
on sports bikes, we're talking about 200 horsepower.
So yeah, I think the technology in a motorbike or bicycle tyre,
it's arguably almost more impressive
than the stuff we find on our car tyres,
because you've got such a small space to produce
all of that grip and longevity on.
It's amazing.
Anyway, there you go.
That's probably enough tyre talk in one pod...
Tire? Tire nerd? Tire nerd.
Oh, you guys just talk about Michelin tyres,
all the time.
The thing is, though, I don't know if you guys
would be exactly the same when I was at a car fest,
you know, they had a couple of guys from Michelin there
who were designers, tyre designers, right?
You get talking to them,
and you very rapidly become a complete and utter tyre geek,
because it's so interesting,
or at least I find it really interesting anyway.
Should we do our challenge?
Yeah, talking of needing good tyres for lots of horsepower,
we'd recommend Michelin's on all of these options.
Oh, all right, OK.
They're getting worse and worse.
Talking of worse, Pete, you're going first.
Go on, we're going to do an EV1 or an ICE1 first,
which one do you want to go for?
Let's just kind of set the scene for everybody.
We've each chosen, or tried to find,
an internal combustion engine car and an EV
that has the most horsepower per pound.
Right.
So, I love the...
Oh, I'm just going to go for it.
No, no, no, Pat, I think Pat should start this, though.
I think I need to go last.
No, no, I want to go last.
All right, Pat, you go first.
I'll go in the middle, so you can take the mickey out.
Do you want me to do petrol or electric?
EV1 first.
Let's do petrol first.
No, electric first.
And then only because I've either been a complete genius
with my combustion engine
or everyone else has thought the same thing.
So, if I could, I'd like to be last.
OK, all right.
With combustion engine.
Let's do electrics first, then.
Pat, you go first.
OK, I'm going to post it into the chat, so here we go.
This is my electric offering, and I shall explain why.
Oh!
You've not picked the exact same one, have you?
Yes.
No, very nearly.
Very nearly.
Exactly the same one.
14 pounds, 39.9 pence per horsepower.
That's correct, yes.
Are you picked the same one, Joe?
The exact same one.
Exactly the same.
So did you learn...
So this is a Tesla Model S P85D dual motor.
It's a 691 horsepower, yeah.
Yeah, it's a 2015 car on a 65 plate.
It's got 151,000 miles, so it's basically box-fresh,
and it's 9,950 pounds.
Now what I learned, because the first thing I did,
was like, well, I'll just go get a ludicrous.
I'll get a P100D ludicrous, or I'll get a Model 3 performance,
whatever they're called.
And then I very quickly learned that they don't actually
have any more horsepower, they just deliver the power differently.
And so buying a more expensive 100D ludicrous, or whatever,
doesn't actually get you more horsepower for the money.
It gets you the same horsepower, and it costs more.
Yeah, a lot more.
Yeah, I mean, it's...
I mean, everyone knows where I stand with Tesla.
They are arguably, I guess, the best electric cars
out because of the infrastructure and the value for money.
But you can't argue with that, can you?
Under 10 grand for something with 700 horsepower.
This does... Joe, what did an M3...
Where do you get the 700 horsepower from?
Well, 691.
If you go to Spec and Features, then it goes to Performance.
And then I cross-referenced this with Google.
It's 691 brake horsepower.
I'm not sure it is.
900... It is.
And 930 Newton-metres of torque.
Because I've got a P90D,
and my P90D is specced at 463 horsepower.
No, it's not.
The additional power comes when you do...
The total power output number is based off like a moment in time,
not a consistent delivery of power.
You're right in that sense.
Well, none of the cars actually provide horsepower numbers at all.
But it does...
For example, the P85D 2015.
This is it, actually. I've just looked at it here.
Twin electric motors.
221 brake horsepower front.
670 brake horsepower rear.
Which makes 690...
Yeah, yours is 762 horsepower, Ped.
762 and a thousand Newton-metres.
See, I don't think you can add them together.
Anyway, we're picking its drawers.
I mean, that's the case then.
Just add the two horsepower together.
It doesn't work that way.
Each of those motors is able to do those two things.
But you don't say, oh, 600 on the back and 200 on the front.
That means I've got 800.
But your P90D in ludicrous mode
will produce 762 horsepower
and up to a thousand Newton-metres in ludicrous mode.
So surely that's what we go of.
And it's the same with the 85.
It's 691 in ludicrous.
I mean...
See, the bit, of course, that we're all missing
which is probably the most compelling reason
to buy a Model S of that age
is you're getting that much horsepower for free.
Because any Model S pre-2020,
you get free supercharging.
So you can charge it up for free.
Although this one doesn't say that in the advert.
But you are right, aren't you?
I am.
That's ridiculous.
That is crazy.
Now, you've got to contend with the fact that
they'll have panel gaps.
You know, there's a river between the panels.
I mean, yours has done...
Who was the last owner?
Captain Kirk.
151,000 miles.
Mine has done 81,000 miles.
The spec on yours is really nice, Ben.
Yeah.
I have to say...
See, I didn't just go for...
I didn't just go for raw...
This is the caveat that I have in.
Yeah, can I just...
Oh, here we go.
Sorry, can I just...
I wanted to see a car I'd actually want to buy as well.
Not just one.
What ties is your car running, Pete?
What ties is your car running?
Oh, I don't know.
Because mine's running Michelin Pilot Sport 4s.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, okay.
Most Teslas do come on Michelins.
I mean, it's about the only good thing about Teslas.
This is on another tire brand.
In fact, I think it has multiple different ties.
Oh, have you seen the driver's seat in my one, Joe?
I've just seen the driver's seat in the one that we picked.
I'm probably should have looked at that variety.
A bit manky.
It's also got a wooden dashboard, which I've never seen before
and shouldn't exist in a Tesla.
You don't buy a modern car in a Tesla.
We've seen this all the crap in the boot.
What's happening with the boot?
Oh, mate, the interior of yours is terrible.
It's bad.
It is bad.
Yeah, it's not great.
The takeaway, I mean, it was a little bit predictable.
So I have an extra one to throw in.
Oh, okay.
I don't...
I don't...
This is where I don't think it will win
the pure horsepower per pound challenge.
But if you want a lot of horsepower
for not a great deal of...
Oh, sorry, for a decent amount of money.
Is this electric?
It is electric, yeah.
Okay, go on.
So let me fight its case.
Here we go.
So this car has around about 600 horsepower.
I'm just going to change...
I'm just going to change the rules slightly here.
Yeah, I will do.
32 grand?
Yeah, ah, but...
ah, 28,000 miles.
It's from a Kia dealer.
It's still in warranty.
And it's 32 grand.
And it's 600 horsepower.
That's amazing.
I mean, that's a lot of car, yeah.
It's amazing value, isn't it?
I mean...
So don't take the Mickey out.
I mean, so 576 horsepower.
You know...
You're not winning anything with that metric, though, Ped.
But...
It's two years old.
I know, no.
If we're playing a different game,
this would be a win, too.
It's half price.
It's literally half price.
It reminds us of, like, 10% of the value.
Okay, here's the thing.
Which one would you rather have?
The Kia or that smashed up a lot of wheel?
Of course.
But this is three years and a bit times the price.
But, listen, I'm not taking anything away from it.
I think that's amazing value.
This is just where I've...
I've just been creative with the brief, that's all.
I mean, as we all know,
EVs do not depreciate quickly.
No, not at all.
That is...
I mean, that's amazing value, isn't it?
Yeah.
30 grand.
Really is.
But back to our Tesla.
Anyway, back to the game.
If you want a cheap EV that goes really fast,
buy an old Model 3 or Y,
buy a Model S because you get your free supercharger.
Back to winning the game,
I think we have to agree...
Back to the winners.
I think we have to agree right now
there is no way to be a Tesla Model S
in terms of horsepower.
If there is, if we've missed something,
please let us know in the comments
or message us on Instagram,
because, obviously, there might be something
that we're completely missing here.
Yeah.
Obviously, you don't, you know,
let's not have a conversation
around what happens when you get to a corner
or, you know...
Don't worry about that.
That wasn't in the brief.
People will think of you
because you drive around in a Tesla.
Yeah.
There we go.
OK.
Right.
Now, let's move on to...
The fact that we all chose the same car
is quite...
Yeah.
There was only one way to go for the electric car.
I was convincing them
I was going to choose a Taycan,
but it was still quite big money.
We didn't choose the same car.
We did.
We didn't, Ped.
We'll just clear that up.
Me and Patrick chose the same car.
You chose the Tesla Model S.
You lost.
And you lost.
Right.
Next.
Just quickly talking about
choosing another car.
A Tesla Model 3 performance
is also a good shout.
You can buy a much newer car.
There are about 15 grand for a cheap one
and they have 460 brake horsepower.
460.
Yeah.
So that's about,
that's 33 horsepower per pound.
Yeah.
I'm just saying,
if you want a more reliable,
equivalent experience,
you spend 5 grand more,
you get a little bit less power,
but the car is going to be a lot better.
Or you can spend double again
and get a gear.
Yep.
Okay.
Next, go on Pat.
Leave this on the...
I just think you guys
just need to be a little bit more understanding
and stop being mean to me.
Okay.
I think you just need to read the brief.
Patrick,
I'm worried about you.
I'm worried about you, Pat,
because I think
that you're going to think out of the box
like I have.
I have thought out of the box.
And not out of the box like Ped
that's gone off on a completely different tangent.
The thing is,
I have actually done a Ped
and I do have one that's like weirdly like,
it doesn't win,
but it's interesting.
But this is the one I think
that will win from a...
Let me guess,
you've chosen a tank
or a bloody lorry or something.
No, it's not a tank or a lorry.
Oh.
It is a Bentley Continental
W12 GT Speed
from 2008,
92,000 miles on the clock
and it's 13 and a half grand.
Now it was put up two months ago
or two and a half months ago now
at 18 and it's since been dropped
four and a half grand in price
because clearly they've realised
trying to sell a car with these terrible pictures
isn't a good idea.
Is that the only pictures?
Yeah, of course.
Oh my God, that's shocking.
It's 600 brake horsepower,
600 brake horsepower,
700 brake horsepower,
750 newton metres of torque.
Now,
I'm going to do a Pete here
and I'm going to use another statistic
to try and win you over on this.
Top speed.
This will do 202 miles an hour.
Don't care.
It wasn't in the brief.
13 and a half grand.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So 22 pound per brake horsepower.
You can have a Bentley.
You can waft around in that
doing 10 MPG.
No, no, no.
Then you can go 0 to 64 seconds
as he's 200 miles an hour.
Pat, nobody cares.
Pat, you were 22.
22.
That's all we want to know is the figure.
Okay, right.
Okay, I can beat that.
Really?
Yeah.
Oh, no.
I can beat that.
I'm going to go next
because Joe, apparently,
he's won already because he's...
Well,
I've definitely destroyed Patrick
in this one.
What?
I can't believe it.
I have gone Italian.
Cool.
So I've gone for
a 2007 Maserati Coupe
4.2 for
7,489 pounds.
Wow.
How much power can this thing have?
Surely it has, like, 300 brake.
No, it has 390 horsepower.
Whoa.
Which comes out at 19 pounds.
Oh, no.
I've come for...
Yeah, I just went for the
highest horsepower possible
than look for the cheapest.
You've done...
That's very clever of you.
I've got...
Yeah, fair play.
Yeah.
Now, all I'd say is...
And it's only done 85,000 miles.
All I'd say is...
I mean, the only kind of...
Because it's paid most of the time
in a garage.
Yeah.
The only kind of idiot
that would buy this car
is the kind of person...
It's you.
...to buy a Porsche 9112
and hope it wouldn't blow up.
No, I can see you in this.
Go into the tennis club,
the paddle club.
And the other good thing is
it's not the boomerang lights
at the back.
It's the one with
the nice lights at the back.
Oh, I would call them nice.
All right.
Okay.
Compared with the boomerang ones,
which have never been a panel.
So there you go.
Yeah, I mean, this is...
This is quite impressive.
I'll give you that.
I didn't think like this.
You thought out of the box here.
I just went for the horsepower.
It's not...
It's not impressive.
You're both rubbish.
Absolute rubbish.
I'm going to destroy you both.
I'm going to destroy you both
in a different stratosphere.
Firstly, should I give you my...
Let's give the...
Figure before I show you the car.
What, the pounds for horsepower?
£2.17 per horsepower.
Stop it.
Oh, hang on.
No, but you just bought something
really cheap, haven't you?
Oh, one second.
One second.
What do you mean, oh, come on?
The game...
Stop getting away from the game.
It's bought a four horsepower car
for £10.
Yeah.
You've done a Jeremy Clarkson here.
Well, you've bought
£150 that's got 90 horsepower or something.
Let me just...
It's bought a lorry or something.
Stop it.
No, because a lorry wouldn't work out that well.
No, no.
Oh, shit.
What have I done?
Where am I?
Zencast...
Oh, I bought a BMW.
Nope.
There we go.
What is this?
I can't...
What?
What?
Oh, the sim is £300.
Oh, my God.
£138 horsepower.
£138 horsepower.
It's got 210,000 miles on it.
It's still...
It runs perfectly fine.
There's no advisories.
Look at that interior as well.
Doesn't matter.
I was so close to using an M140i that had been tuned,
which would have worked out very similar to Pat's,
but Ped would have still won that.
And then suddenly I was like,
actually, no, we're going about this the wrong way.
What's the cheapest thing you can buy that runs?
And then suddenly I was like,
oh, it's £300 for something with 140 horsepower.
And it's got to be a winner.
You didn't see that one coming.
No, that's not quite the spirit of the game.
I was looking for performance cars that are great value.
You've just provided great value.
There's no performance there.
No, let me bring up the brief that Patrick sent one second.
It was Patrick's idea.
That Honda is so bad.
Half our audience are going, I'd rather buy a Tesla.
The Tesla's become good value all of a sudden.
Most horsepower for your money.
That was it.
That was in the brief.
Most horsepower for your money.
That is the most horsepower for your money.
Now, what you've gone for is the lowest amount of money
you can spend to buy some horsepower.
Yeah.
No, I've gone for most horsepower for your money.
£300 Honda Civic 2.2 diesel is the most horsepower for your money.
I missed the fact that it was an oil burner.
Oh my God.
You get 60 miles to the gallon as well.
So I'm now going to provide the option I had
as like a kind of a kind of Pete's outwardly thinking option.
So I was thinking most horsepower for your money.
So a relevant of cost per horsepower
or horsepower per power or whatever.
This is purely what I think is the most horsepower
of your horsepower for the money you can spend.
It absolutely smashes Pete's 30 grand Kia.
But it is also 30 grand.
This is a 900 horsepower AMG C63 from 2017.
It's got a Stage 3 tune.
It's got downpipes.
It's got intakes.
It's got additional fuel pumps.
It's got lowering springs.
It's got wheels.
It's also running Michelin PS4.
Tires on the rear only, which has just read that.
That's odd.
It's got carbon splitters.
Joe Achilles' favourite thing to do.
Carbon splitters and rear valentines.
That's a serious bit of kit though, isn't it?
430 grand.
That's quite fast, I reckon.
It is, but I'm watching that.
I'm looking at that and going,
yeah, but who did all the work?
Because it's probably some, you know,
dodgy geese.
I'm not sure how...
We need a new challenge, which is the most reliable horsepower.
Because so far I've picked a Bentley Continental
for 13 grand, which isn't reliable.
A Tesla Model 3 with 150,000 miles, which won't be reliable.
And a C63 modified by a man in a back garage,
which won't be reliable.
And once again, I've picked a Honda Civic,
which is arguably the most reliable brand
on the planet, Honda, Japanese,
the Civic, known for its longevity.
It's amazing build quality.
210,000 miles.
You don't have to sing its praises too much.
You won, OK?
I'm tempted to buy it.
I mean, it's a great video title for YouTube.
It's cheaper than an AMI.
It is.
£300.
Wow.
What could go wrong?
What could go wrong?
It's quite far away in Bradford.
It's gone wrong.
It's gone wrong.
Anyway.
Well, there you go.
I know you guys are really jaded about this,
because you just can't deal with the fact that,
number one, I've absolutely blown you away with the ice vehicles.
And number two, it's a Honda Civic diesel that beat you.
I know that must be quite hard to accept.
You've got to live with the credibility, though, Joe.
At least me and Pat chose stuff with, like, you know, a V8 and a V12.
Yeah.
You've got to put your clown shoes on.
Put your clown shoes on, mate, yeah.
Put on my winning shoes.
Your wedding shoes.
A wedding?
Could I get a wedding?
No, if you lose at home today, don't say that out loud.
Yeah, you're getting a lot of trouble.
Anyway, well, I think that turned out far different than I expected,
because I genuinely thought you'd also all go get Bentley Continental GTs,
because they're the most horsepower for the money.
But no, Joe's...
Clearly not.
Joe's won on the technicality, and that's okay.
I've won.
That's it.
There's no technicalities.
Anyway, if you enjoyed that one, guys,
make sure to subscribe and tune in for more,
because we do these a lot.
Look back at our back catalogue,
and you'll see ones that I won a lot.
Big thanks to Michelin,
and go out and get yourself a £300 Honda Civic.
Yeah, make sure you put Michelins on it, though,
so you've got safe performance,
because, God forbid, you deploy all that 140 at once in it.
You might get some wheel spit or something.
You might lose control.
Well, you could buy a cherry,
because they're the best family car you can buy.
Oh, yes, they are the ultimate...
the ultimate family car.
Oh, yes.
Right.
Right, goodbye.
You can end it right in there.
About this episode
Exploring the best horsepower for your money, the hosts dive into a lively challenge comparing electric and internal combustion engine vehicles. With a mix of humor and banter, they reveal their choices, including a Tesla Model S and a Bentley Continental, while debating reliability and performance. Discussions also touch on personal updates, including car ownership experiences and recent automotive events. The episode is packed with insights on value in the current market, making it a fun listen for anyone interested in getting the most bang for their buck in 2025.