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Ford Mustang GTD
The Ford Mustang GTD is a super-fast version of the regular Mustang, built to be even more powerful and exciting to drive. It's important because it shows how far Mustang has come in terms of performance and style.
Car
BMW R nineT
The BMW R nineT is a motorcycle that combines classic looks with modern technology. It has a 1200cc engine that doesn't use water for cooling, unlike some newer bikes that do.
Term
air-cooled engine
An air-cooled engine is a type of engine that uses air to keep it cool instead of water. This makes it lighter and simpler, but it might not cool as effectively as water-cooled engines.
Term
fluid manifold
A fluid manifold is like a special part that connects different tubes or hoses in a car. Instead of having many separate hoses, it combines them into one piece, making it simpler and more efficient.
Part
control arms
Control arms are parts in a car's suspension system that help connect the wheels to the body of the car. They allow the wheels to move up and down while keeping the car stable and balanced.
Car
Ferrari F80
The Ferrari F8 Tributo is a really fast and fancy sports car made by Ferrari. It's special because it combines amazing speed with a beautiful design, making it a dream car for many people.
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BMW F80
Part
cool air to air heat exchanger
This part helps cool the air that goes into the engine, which can make the engine run better. It works by moving warm air through one side and cool air through the other without mixing them.
Term
powertrain
The powertrain is the part of a car that makes it move. It includes the engine and the parts that help send the power from the engine to the wheels.
Part
charge coolers
Charge coolers are parts that cool down the air that goes into the engine, making it work better. They are important for cars with turbochargers or superchargers.
Part
battery packs
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Car
Porsche 911S
The Porsche 911 is a famous sports car that a lot of people love because it's fast and looks great. It's been around for a long time and is known for being really well-made and fun to drive.
Term
suspension
The suspension is what keeps your car's ride smooth by absorbing bumps and keeping the tires on the road. It's made up of parts like springs and shock absorbers.
Car
Ford Mustang Dark Horse
The Ford Mustang Dark Horse is a special version of the Mustang sports car that is built for better performance on the racetrack.
Term
horsepower
Horsepower measures how powerful an engine is. More horsepower usually means a car can go faster and accelerate quicker.
Term
downforce
Downforce helps keep a car on the ground when it's going fast. It makes the car stick to the road better, especially when turning.
Car
Dodge Dark Horse
The Dodge Dark Horse is a fast car made by Dodge. It's built for performance and can be driven on the street or the racetrack.
Part
brakes
Brakes help a car slow down or stop. Good brakes are important for safety and performance, especially when driving fast.
Term
CarPlay
CarPlay lets you use your iPhone in your car. You can see your apps and use them on the car's screen, which makes it easier to navigate and listen to music.
Term
rev matching
Rev matching is when you adjust the engine speed to match the speed of the wheels when changing gears, making the shift smoother.
Term
slicks
Slicks are special tires used in racing that don't have any grooves. They help the car stick to the track better, especially when it's dry.
Car
Ac Ace
The AC Ace is a classic sports car that's light and fun to drive. It's known for its good handling and is appreciated by collectors and car enthusiasts.
Term
stability control
Stability control helps keep your car from sliding around when you turn quickly or drive on slippery roads. It can automatically slow down wheels to help you stay in control.
Term
rotors
Rotors are parts of the brakes that help stop the car. If they are cracked, it can make it hard to brake properly, which is dangerous.
Term
OEM block
OEM stands for Original Equipment Manufacturer. An OEM block is the engine block that originally came with the car, and modifying it means making changes to improve its performance.
Term
sequential gearbox
A sequential gearbox is a type of transmission that lets you shift gears in a straight line, like moving through a list, which can be faster and easier than regular gear shifting.
Term
air conditioning
Air conditioning is a system that cools the air inside the car. In race cars, it's important because it helps keep the driver comfortable while driving fast.
Term
ABS
ABS helps your car stop without skidding. It lets you steer while braking hard, which is important for safety.
Term
traction control
Traction control stops your wheels from spinning too much when you accelerate, helping your car stay on the road, especially in bad weather.
Term
steering ratio
Steering ratio is how much you have to turn the steering wheel to make the car's wheels turn. A smaller number means the car turns more with less effort.
Term
telemetry
Telemetry is like a way to gather information about how a car is performing while it's being driven. It helps understand things like speed and how well the car is handling.
Concept
Chuckwalla Valley Raceway
Chuckwalla is a racetrack in California where people drive cars fast to see how well they perform. It's a place for racing and testing cars.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a super-fast version of the regular 911 sports car, made for people who love racing. It's built to be really light and aerodynamic, which helps it go even faster.
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wheel to wheel
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KTM X-Bow GTX
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Cup car
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Car
Plymouth GTX
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Mazda Miata
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Car
Porsche GT3
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BMW E92
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Shelby GT500
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Car
Porsche GT3 RS
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BMW F12
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Ford F150
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Lamborghini Gt 350
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Alpine A 110
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Jeep Wrangler
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Chevrolet Corvette
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BMW E34
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Lamborghini Kuntosh
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Car
Shelby Cobra
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Car
Porsche 911 Turbo S
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Fiat 500
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Chevrolet Venture
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Panoz Esperante
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Porsche Boxster
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What's up folks? Welcome to the Smokentire Podcast, Matt Farrah here on today's episode of the show. We went down to the Zinger factory and saw some of the craziest stuff you've ever seen in your life. We're going to tell you all about that. Plus, I got an entire day by myself at a racetrack to absolutely rip on the new Mustang GT-D. GT-3, dark horse R and dark horse. And I'm going to give you my
track reviews of those cars right now. It's the Smokentire Podcast. Let's go. Hey folks, I thought the show was supposed to be at three today. How is everybody doing? Zach and I had a fun morning down at the Zinger factory. Zinger slash divergent 3D factory. We got to see both there next to each other.
Before, and I want to talk about that, because we drove the car and now we get to see how the car is made. And the, the Zach has like the only three photos. Yeah. But before we do, I have a correction. I have to issue a correction. I had, I had a, I had a thing wrong. It's very important that you acknowledge when you're wrong and you make a correction. When we talked a couple of weeks ago about the BMW R12-9T motorcyle,
I inaccurately referred, I said about the engine that it was the 1200 last generation that still carries on. It's actually not accurate. It's actually like a, and a much older generation, because what I neglected to mention is that the R12-9T has an air cooled 1200 CC BMW engine, whereas the new GS is going back 200.
Going back 12 years to 2013 are all water cooled. So this isn't just one generation backs powertrain. It's way back. So that partially explains, you know, why like the quick shifters not so refined and things like that, because it is actually the old, old powertrain, which is neat and different and cool. And, and I neglected to mention that because actually truth, I didn't really think about it, which it should have been obvious.
It wasn't a radiator and fans on that motorcycle. I suppose I didn't think about the fact that the GS is water cooled more so than not thinking about that this one was in a good point.
Either way, I got it wrong. A fan very politely corrected me with an incredibly thorough explanation. And now I'm correcting it for all of you folks.
So you look at does have got a thing that's that's got to be an oil cooler, but I just looked at it and uncritically, and I wasn't like, is this a radiator or a core?
And look, if you some people are like, would hear me say that and go, but you're supposed to be a professional. And like, yes, but also I don't know everything.
And if you, if I was told, okay, you know, okay, but like I just like, nobody was ever like, hey, this is what makes this one different.
And I just like didn't think about it. Yeah. Well, and it's a finned box on the front.
That's right. So unless you look to the lines really closely at the size of them. And even then, like I wouldn't go to the motorcycle.
It just wasn't the lines can be small. Yeah, it wasn't something that I thought about, but it is a difference. And it's an important one.
So there you go. It's basically the equivalent of the roof, you know, SCR. And then this new roof that they have that looks the same on the outside, but has an engine that looks the same, but is air cooled, you know, doesn't look the same.
But like, if you were, if you didn't know, you'd go, what's different here? You know, so anyway, that's different. That is an important distinction. Now, Zinger, we went down there this morning.
I didn't post pictures yet. Actually, the pictures that are on my phone suck. We also couldn't take very many. We couldn't take very many. That's a good picture.
So we talked about the car in last episode, right? That was last episode. Sorry, we kind of recorded things out of order. So if I'm a little confused about what happened when it's been a busy weekend, things are not airing in the order they recorded.
We drove the car. It's absolutely crazy. Did 30 minutes on it last episode. Go listen to that. So they were like, you really have to come see how it's made because that sort of defines how it they wanted me to see how it was made first.
The scheduling didn't work, but I promised that I would go and pretty nuts. Amazing. Yeah. So divergent 3D is the parent company of Zinger cars, Zinger automobiles.
And the car is, although the car is a very real thing and very serious business, it's a show piece for the technology, which can be applied to aviation, military, boating, submarines, who fucking knows? Like everything you need to make.
That's made out of this kind of metal. It requires being stress tested in a certain strength.
Yeah, it can make. Yeah. And so think air frames, but also sub frames for cars, chassis components for cars, structural and breaking components for cars.
I hadn't heard the term fluid manifold today, but they mentioned that a lot. It's essentially a 3D printed structure that has multiple hoses for lack of a better word in it.
So rather than having three rubber hoses from point A to point B that runs somewhat in parallel, they have a single part that just has those things.
So they're all the same, and fit exactly every time. There's probably other advantages besides that, but that's what.
It's just they showed us so many different shapes and parts for so many different things, some of which we definitely could not take pictures of, but I feel like this picture, which we have.
But we could say what they were. We saw missiles.
We can say that they just they said, did you see the say the thing that yes, no, no, the no column was like photos of the missiles and or names of the military partners.
But like we could say the list of the companies that they made. There was there was the Bugatti Torbillon. They were making control arms and probably other things. We saw control arms.
The Ferrari F80, they were making some bits for an unidentified Aston Martin. I'm guessing it's the Valhalla, right.
Basically, it was pretty much like control arms and suspension type componentry that they were making for those companies.
But the other ones and then we saw missiles missiles and other parts, but like what was what they highlighted in what you can see in this photo.
You know, this is not a defense picture or defense product picture is like you can take something that used to be 200 parts and turn it into like four.
Which looking at that thing sitting on the stand was crazy because you can look at you can go, oh, that bracket used to be an individual bracket that was affixed to this like fuselage.
Now it is part of it like literally all seamlessly done.
And the latter structures used to be like bits bolted to bigger bits bolted to bigger bits and now it's just like one.
Yeah, you know, and and so what Lucas Zinger who's real fucking smart was saying was that they have a software where you, you know, essentially put in what you need the part to do.
And the shape that you need it to be and it figures out where metal needs to be and where metal doesn't need to be.
And it is capable of finding the perfect form, not just the outside form, but like the inside form.
So there's like these weird honeycomy things they can do totally asymmetric.
Yeah, that's when you really notice the, I guess success or the use of that program is when they would have like a piece cut open or almost unfinished and you'd go, oh, wow, there's like a weird dongle hanging off of this end.
I think one of the book out of control arms had that but it was like, well, it just needed structure there.
It needed thickness there, but not around it and it ended up looking very like like a melted wax almost.
And then the other bit, which I think was for a drone actually, I think it was one of the like intake bits for a drone.
Oh, yeah, and it had cooling like like it almost the inside of it was like a seashell and it swirled the air like that was a cooling channels as the air like moved through it.
It was like an air cooler cool air to air heat exchanger basically just but with no moving parts or no, it was really cool.
Yeah, and I imagine that that idea either the company who commissioned that had had it or whatever, but you'd have to like, you know, build a few sludge and then get like some sort of twisted carbon thing that slides into there and it fixes in there and does it move around when it's up in the air.
And is that a failure point and what's the strength of that thing? And now it's just all this whatever alloy single piece honeycomb thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's really, really cool. And we're watching it make something slowly because it takes a while, but it was actually different than I expected.
It was, it was very different than when you watch plastic 3D manufacturing or manufacturing.
It doesn't like squeeze it like, you know, toothpaste from a tube when it does it from dust and lasers. It's a bit different.
Extremely wild.
The engine as well, we saw a power train on a stand. The engine itself, like the block was really small, I shockingly compact.
The heads were kind of normal size and it had it had really big heat exchange or sort of air, not air boxes, but like charge coolers sitting on top of it.
The charge coolers were probably twice the size of the heads. It's a real small little thing.
And then we saw the battery packs, which were shut. The battery packs was so small, I thought they were oil coolers.
That's true. They're really narrow.
They look, they're probably four inches wide and maybe 18 inches long and six inches tall.
And I thought they would have to be bigger than that to generate that level of power.
But just all around extremely cool, the circle of robots in the middle is very iron man.
Yeah, the assembly area.
The whole point of this, they're 3D business. It's actually far less wasteful. It's a better use of material.
What is that? It's cost per kilogram.
Yeah, I think that's how they measure it. So they've been able to get it much cheaper cost per kilogram.
And it used to be somewhere in the thousands. Now it's somewhere in the hundreds.
If it gets to 100, then it becomes viable for like regular cars instead of just super exotic cars.
Yeah, I'll get the number right for the article. Certainly will fact check it.
But he said when they started, it was in the thousands of dollars per kilogram.
It's been eight years. Now it's like 200, 300 dollars a kilogram.
And if it gets to 100, then you could start using it for like 9.11s and stuff.
And if it gets down to 80, 70, then it's the kind of thing that could be done in really regular cars.
But what he is crazy is they they're 3D printing factory essentially is a fully modular assembly.
Meaning you build one factory and that factory can then build anything.
And it can build anything like in quantity one or quantity 1000 or whatever.
And so if you put these things around the world and if they're making complex assemblies for cars or planes or whatever,
like everything that you can make regionally doesn't need to be shipped by air or sea.
You know, you can have very low impact production facilities so you don't have to ship subframes from fucking Detroit all over the world or whatever.
And according to Lucas who I believe that type of savings at the at the manufacturer level can really compound.
I'm sure cost of shipping frames or subframes or blocks or whatever, whatever heavy thing it is around the world.
You know, we've talked about this before, like there's stuff that gets built here, then shipped to Germany and then assembled over there.
Or proving, you know, try it out over there and then sent over here when the tariffs were announced.
All people talked about the criss-crossing of cars from like Mexico to America and back.
So it might, you know, relieve some of that that capital expenditure.
And cars like real fucking fast cars very fast.
It looks it doesn't it doesn't get older.
It looks insane.
It looks as fast as I actually think it gets better looking the more that you look at it.
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I think the first time you look at one, it looks a little weird.
But the more I look at it, the more I actually appreciate it.
I think it looks like fucking rad.
I mean, it looks great.
I think it looks great, but it's like it's, you know, like some really good albums, you know,
a movie that requires a second watching to really appreciate.
The first time I saw one, the pure aesthetic of it didn't stop me in my tracks.
But now that like I get it and I drove it like, and I've seen them in different colors.
I've seen the one without the wing, one with the wing, you know, oh, okay.
Now, like yeah, okay, maybe, maybe not in this color, but in this color it looks sick.
Definitely, you know, that kind of thing.
Tinted carbon always wins my heart.
The tinted carbon does work.
There was a customer car that was tinted carbon and it's always a good idea.
I would find a way to do like my variant on my like rosé, you know, like the cassis or the frozen berry.
I think that would be a crazy.
If you could get the richness of it right.
Because I don't know, if you make that a clear, it may not work.
If you could though, it would be incredible.
I wonder if you could do a clear with a tiny bit of colored flake in it.
What if that, you know, not too much flake because you don't want to obscure the pattern.
I don't know.
I've never seen that a clear with flake on the carbon.
They had that.
They didn't have a car, but they had one of these bucks that was tinted British racing green.
It was that perfect.
It in a room full of crazy shit, one little piece of tip.
I was like, um, that one and the woman who's I written regret not getting her name.
I looked up at her and I was like, you're the color person, right?
She's got the color person.
And not just because she had a bunch of these things in front of her, she looks exactly like Brenda from mix.
A lot.
I was like, Brenda, you have two jobs like exactly the same.
But yeah, she has a fun job.
And those cool.
They had the speaker covers with different finishes on them for it to show a customer.
Which of these, yeah, which of these three things do you want to pick?
It just looked awesome and it's anodized.
It's not just like painted plastic or whatever.
It's super cool.
That's, yeah, that's really where for that kind of money for a car, I think,
I think you're getting the right amount of crazy.
Do you get that tour as a customer?
I actually think that's a value.
Oh, wow.
It's a good sell.
Yeah, I mean, compared to, you know, compared to some other stuff out there,
I think this price for this car is actually a value.
It seems special and unique, like literally from the atoms to the finished product.
Yeah, yeah.
You know, not just, you know, oh, it's fast.
I got these attributes in like we've talked about almost ad nauseam about this car.
Because not only does it look different than anything else out there,
it feels and sounds different from anything else out there.
It's constructed in a way that it looks different.
It looks like it's built by aliens.
Yeah.
From 20 years in the future.
Yeah, it totally does.
Yeah.
Shout out to him.
That shit is fucking sick.
That shit is.
Like look at this.
I don't know if a customer, how does a customer like,
they need to have some kind of,
do they have a public facing anything that customers can,
like regular people can see.
What do you mean?
Is there like a fucking showroom somewhere for one?
I should probably have the answer.
I think they sell them at O'Gara in different places like that.
They have dealers,
but I don't think that dealers have like a car you can go look.
Probably not.
If you get a chance to go see one anywhere you should try.
And ask them to open the engine control.
The clamshell.
Because then you can really see the subframe and stuff.
Because that's what we're looking at here.
It's crazy shapes that like this looks like,
you know, whatever this big support is on the top right,
it looks like a huge chicken breast.
And that is one of the engine mounts.
What's really funny is it's,
it's almost impossible to tell this photo
that we're looking at which is on Zach's Instagram
is you have almost no idea what direction this photo was taking.
Which way is on point?
Like what are we looking at?
And it's, it's actually,
so you're actually looking at Zach is,
Zach's knees are on the
rear left wheel hub.
That's where your knees are.
Right rear, but yeah.
It's right rear.
I think it's right rear.
Because this,
this is the back of the car.
Oh, the back of the car is the left.
Okay, yeah.
I thought the shocks went the other way.
No?
No, in the front, the shocks go across.
Which I have a video of, but not a picture.
And I thought, okay, the shock has mounted that direction.
Not the other, okay, fine.
Oh yeah, because I remember,
this is a screen grab from the video I panned down.
No, I get it.
Because you look at this and it's like,
it would be a challenge to most people to say,
identify a part of this car that,
and just name it the same thing you've seen on their cars.
Like find the ARM,
that's probably the easiest one,
but after that,
you know, there's pivot points where the shocks go
because it's, what's it called?
Can't do it.
Can't leave a suspension.
Yeah.
But like, what's the thing under the shock due?
I don't know.
It looks like a shell.
That looks like a decayed jaw.
Yeah.
No idea.
When we walked through,
there was a shell third and I said,
these look like skulls.
And they weren't.
They were just like,
some component for something.
I think it was a bunch of like,
the break hub and whatever.
Yeah.
But it looked like a bunch of,
you know, cyborg skulls.
That would be a fun game down there.
Body part or suspension part.
Yikes.
Yeah.
Super cool stuff.
Real, real,
real crazy
and very,
I,
you know,
it's one of those times where you're like,
oh, there's like,
it's hard for me to say this straight face
because they also make missiles.
But you could say,
oh, the tech is being used for good.
But like,
it's also being used for some bad.
I mean,
I don't think like,
I understand that,
that militaries need missiles.
But like,
you know,
I think,
I don't know.
I wish I lived in a world that had less missiles.
I guess, right?
Or so it's,
I have mixed feelings about that.
Like,
there are,
there are militaries
and they,
they buy weapons
and like,
they buy them from somewhere
and like,
here's a company that does it.
Right.
And they're like,
seems,
they're pretty good at it.
Like,
when you look at the list of like,
the biggest defense contractors in the United States,
like,
I remember,
every time I see Boeing,
I go,
really, they make the friendly planes and work so well.
They work pretty well.
Not so well.
So well.
They used to be so,
we're,
you know,
and these guys are contractors for the contractors.
You know?
Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
But,
I'm a little morally conflicted about missiles.
Well, it's weird to see one
of there
like,
being made.
But also, I'm like,
this technology.
Sure.
Like, I am one over by it every time I see it.
I think it's so fascinating and incredible to see.
It is.
And to look at the shapes they can make.
And then I step back and I go,
that's going to fly into someone's house.
Wow.
Like,
but look at the,
it is cooling ducts.
So I'm saying it.
Yeah.
So it's a, it's a,
it's a tough thing to like,
you know, morally reconciled.
Sure.
Um,
especially when like, the cars are awesome too.
So, but like,
all right.
That was so weird.
We live in a,
for me,
a little bit of a moral gray area.
What am I going to do?
I don't fucking know,
but I like the cars.
I'm not going to,
I'm not going to stop them
from their core business over there.
That is a human experience where you,
you know,
you like this part of a thing,
but it makes you feel like you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I said,
and I said that to Lucas.
And he was like,
yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know,
God, I get it.
Cars are pretty cool, right?
Yeah.
Cars are pretty cool.
You know.
So, uh,
so that was cool.
But like,
so this was crazy last week.
I mean,
last week,
we started with the zinger.
Uh,
on Wednesday.
I guess it was Wednesday last week.
Um,
and then
well, I started,
um,
zinger 21c drive,
uh, on the mountains.
And then Friday,
I went to Chuck Walla,
and I spent the day
with four of,
uh, fours.
Uh, the,
the dark horse,
the dark horse are,
the GTD,
and the GT3,
like the real GT3 race car.
Is four fours called a fjord?
She's that.
Oh, that's a good one.
It's a good one.
Is it your thing?
You got to make sure AJ gets that.
Now the story I'm doing
is for road and track,
and like road and track
paid for the track,
and shit,
so I could do their story.
And uh,
and like,
it's a great opportunity
to get to do a story like this.
There's shows,
there's a lot of resources
put into this story.
Um,
multi-matic employees
flew in from far away
to support me doing this.
And,
I mean, they brought multiple race cars.
Um, they brought cars in.
They rented an entire track for me
for an entire day,
which is crazy.
My neck hurts.
Um,
my, my body is actually quite
sore from
number of race car I drove.
I drove a lot.
And when you,
with a GT3,
I've got to drive
a couple big name race cars
before.
Every time it's like,
a little taste.
Get a little taste.
You know,
you get a couple,
you get like
two 10 lap sessions,
maybe,
and like,
and then you get to do some
of your photos,
and that's pretty much it.
And that's it.
Better than nothing.
I'm not paying,
and it's for videos,
and like,
I'm happy to be there.
And it was,
I was the,
me and,
and our photographer,
Paul,
was it?
There was no,
there was no editorial staff
beyond me,
like, no,
there was,
like, Ford guys
with the,
with the cars,
and the multi-matic guys,
and they were like,
so, uh,
what do you want to do?
And I was like,
well, like,
you know, I'm going to start
with the,
start slow and go to fast,
you know,
and I'll probably do that
a couple of times
before launch.
I'll go through,
you know,
yeah,
yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know,
you're going towin
you're going toствие.
Sorry,
I don't want to do anything,
listen together and
you don't want to do anything
between the battery,
and improvise,
like what's cool and they're like our instructions were full tank of gas full
set of tires so have fun like the cars opposed to work yeah yeah yeah have fun
so um and this was this is the number one car this was that their their
their development car it's never actually raced it's only done development work
and and stuff but it has a lot of hours on it and it's supposedly very good and
it also doesn't have the GT3 restrictors restrictors on it so it's like 640
horsepower but I mean hilariously going from these two days later to this
has half power half the power in the straight and it weighs more boring it's so
I was sort of like you know it's not like I was like what what but like I I knew I
was like prepare yourself to be under underwhelmed on the straight
ways with this car now fortunately it's really loud the straight pipes right
there it's so loud that it doesn't matter if it's not as fast in the straight
ways well and all I mean look it's also on slicks and fucking with downforce and
all this but so um so if you're a patron you're gonna get to hear about GTD
a couple of days early don't fucking ruin it okay that's what being in the
club means um so I got a dark horse to drive out there just to get reused to
and oh my god you want to talk about a car look this is a lovely car the engine's
great the gearbox is great the brakes are really good it's got
trafeo rs is on it as a street car car play instant bang on no no issues right I
don't love the big screens but like it's got that it's got the quick button for
car play it does the Porsche doesn't have a quick button for car play it's good
but the alignment on this goddamn thing and the front tires I drove it out to
Palm Springs this car is exhausting on the highway it's fucking moving around
it's darting you cannot drive this car with one hand you can't do it it's so
tiring to go straight in a dark horse I mean I think the Ford guy said that the
company whoever the company is the preps the Mustangs here puts track alignments
on all these things and it's and and like you can dial it back it doesn't have to
be like that but he's like yeah you can also make it like that so you know I'll
assume that they don't all like that but this one was oh my god it was brutal now
it was fun on the track it was a I really this it's not really included in the
story for the magazine but I ran I hadn't been in a chuck wall in about two years so
I ran like 15 20 laps in it and it's like a fun car easy to drive very nicely
balanced you know decent decent amount of grip you know with those trophy ORS is
you know for a street car you know he sticks pretty good the alignments nice
on track you know it's worried about it I did get the brakes hot after about
eight laps so you probably want to do pads and fluid is the hardware is definitely
there but dark horse R is the the cup version of that Mustang challenge and you
can I got to drive Jim Farley's car so shout out to Jim thank you very much yeah
that was it that's a GT no no go back that's it yeah it has this it has a
similar livery to the GT3 but it's it is a it's a dark horse power train
straight up it which even has the rev match they left the rev matching in so
it's on a toggle you can just toggle on and they're like everybody in the
racing series like has their pride and after about two test sessions they leave
it on and I agree with them if I was racing yeah if I was actually racing in
every every 10th counted I would use the auto rev matching it was it was pretty
snappy in the dark horse R you know it's got a cage the car you know it's
stripped out it has upgraded suspension the dark horse R what was really fun
these things are about 150 grand and if I was joining a race track country
club this would be my first race car this fucking car it sounds like a
NASCAR the shift the shifter's great the steering is really sharp it's got a
shitload of grip on slicks the brakes are ace the balance is really good you
don't need you know you don't need trash controls stability control at all you
sit you know really really low in it and what they put like a small like you
know racing steering wheel on it which makes the steering like really sharp but
because mustangs have such like over boosted steering anyway it doesn't feel
like tiring super fun unfortunately when we after I did like a couple a
couple flyers they were looking over the car checking the tire pressure and
they found a crack in one of the rotors so I couldn't continue lapping this at
speed so I basically gave myself a really fun game which was basically like how
fast could I get around the track without like breaking essentially and so I had
a kind of a fun like 20-minute session where I was like can I go quicker like
can I come out of every corner like really hard and then find the exact right
spot where like 5% break was enough but just slow down enough to like really
hook it into the corner because you clamp too hard we were yeah they essentially
were like look we shouldn't they weren't they didn't say outright no they're
like we shouldn't if it they weren't like if it was someone else but they're like
I'm explaining to you like you really cannot use the brakes like it's not
that they're gonna something's gonna happen but like we're a big corporation
and liability wise like we don't want to take the risk of something happening so
like you have to essentially drive it like for photos like without the brakes so
like that's the game I came up with I was like what about like five literally
five percent break pressure and like that's probably fun so I did that and I
was like kind of an interesting game cornering speeds are really good on this
car I bet so the GT3 that shit is nuts I mean it's it's it is a it's it's a
it's full on this is this is a this is not a fort okay this is this is a
multi-matic product through and through they were said over and over that there
are three production parts on this car and I'm pretty sure two of them are the
outer and inner door handles because those are stock I don't I didn't ask what
the third was but I didn't see it you know the engine is so low and so far back
you can't even believe it it's obviously a dry some it is based on the
production block actually but it's bored and stroked to 5.4 based on the block
does that mean they take the stock block yeah okay yeah they modify an OEM block
yeah they do not it's not like it's a billet block with the stock displacement
yeah stock they also the heads are the stock head chamber design but the stock
car has variable intake exhaust variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust
side the this car only has it on the intake side because it never needs to be
quiet and it never needs to pass emissions and then it also has you know better
valve hardware designed to fucking run it you know 8000 rpm for 24 hours whereas
the street car isn't really designed to do that obviously sequential gearbox
it's extract the those have gotten really good no more third pedal and it's so
you're sitting this thing it's big and and and you're look at the see how the see
the the windshield banner how far down the windshield it comes yet wow you sit
so low that that is not a problem not in your way it's not in your way at all
windshield you're slammed on the floor fortunately I've fit and seat it was
actually is very very comfortable sitting there has air conditioning and as long
as you are moving at speed the air conditioning is really effective that is
air conditioning in race cars is a is a is been a great thing so let's where
should I start with this it apparently you're supposed to wear earplugs which I
which I did not that you are and I didn't it's insanely loud at surprisingly right
it's got these side pipes it's unbelievable and you get about 50% engine about
50% gearbox wine it's actually very well behaved at half speed so not
it like super low speeds everybody's cars like the gearbox with the straight
cuts just when you're trying to go slow for the photos the 20 miles an hour they
hate that but this race car was better behaved than any other car I've driven
for those first two getting to know you lapse where I'm shifting at five you
know short shifting light breaking it wasn't like shitty when the tires were
cold it wasn't shitty when the brakes were cold I mean you do have to warm
things up but it wasn't a clunky piece of junk when you weren't doing that so
it was incredibly approachable which was really nice that ABS or traction
it has both of it as it has ABS it has traction control and it has stability
control I drove it with the ABS on two out of 12 wow so that that's minimal
ABS that's that's yeah low I'm just saying that the range of adjustment there
there's a lot of numbers I thought would be like one to five or something
well they race in the rain you know they race in the rain and they want you to
be able to to micro adjust it all of them went to were one to 12 the
traction control the the yaw and the end of it and and I drove with I did I
never got the ABS to off nor I don't want to drive with ABS off that's I for
some people maybe there's a point of pride in driving hard with ABS off I don't
need to prove anything to anybody but I did drive with traction stability
control fully off and I felt good about that actually and this car has no
bad habits I mean it it does exactly we tell you the steering ratio the
inputs were crazy sharp going back and forth from the GTD to this because after
you know I didn't drive the rest street dark horse anymore and once the rotor
was done on that car you know after lunch it was like and then there were two
and you have five hours so like you know what do you want to do so I just kept
going back and forth between the GT3 and the GTD and the GT3 I would say I did
like two or three five lap sessions and then a couple of ten lap sessions by the
end I felt like real nice and and Mike the multi-matic guy there was a couple
multi-matic guys this guy was awesome he started he basically as he sees you
getting more comfortable they drop the tire pressures lower and lower so you
can keep going quicker and the the full pros run like 24 psi in a race and he
started me at 28 and he got me to 24 by the last session and by the last
session I was fucking humming like I went I went by the last session as fast as my
body would allow me to go it would you they they were running telemetry but
what I didn't have was a ghost to chase so they had never been to Chuck wall
before so they were like these are your times and you look great but I can't tell
you if this time means anything because this car's never been here before right so
we can look up if you want to look up Chuck wall at times my my best time was a
140.0 so we can look up if that's good or not but they said I was looking good
and they said my feedback on the car was was good and that they were making
adjustments based on that what was your time 140.0 all right well we're going to
fast this laps you're faster than Randy Pope's in a GT3 RS by 15 seconds well
that's a street car I'm gonna race car on slicks so I know that's a lot that's a lot
though so we hang on what what do we have do we have a real race car are there
any real race cars up there someone else will have a have it um so I don't
know if that's good someone else can tell me if that's good but that was my
fastest time oh wait what that's oh wait there are other stuff whatever feel it
felt good it I went as fast as my fucking brain would let me go I mean I just I
would need I need a like I had Jordan Taylor at at AMP I would need another
line to go all right well you broke here but the car is capable of breaking 10
meters quicker later and I did not have that so the motorcycle track record is a
154 oh here's another thing by the way I went you can run this track either way
we went counterclockwise so that will matter I don't know which way there oh
this is clockwise so we went counterclockwise okay look for CCW the the car was
very I really really got I really really got to understand how far you can get
with one full day of training in a car like this that was enough for me to be
like I don't know if I'd be comfortable after one day of training going wheel to
wheel in this car but I do feel like with a couple of days of training which
if you're planning on racing GT3 is nothing then you could really be
comfortable I did not feel comfortable messing with the settings and shit while
driving I'm not I don't know how much you have to do to to get there if I was
messing with stuff it was while I was stopped no no while I was laughing dude so
this this person this driver was in a KTM Xpo GTX 2022 on slicks and they ran
a 143 oh I guess I was wrong titles 1143 isn't fast enough so I guess
maybe they beat that guess I was pretty good I think it's I think you're fast dude
uh oh yeah here 992 GT3 Cup 143 oh wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
I think I got that wrong I don't think it was 140.0 I think it was 143.0 I
think it was 143.0 and not 140.0 okay I mean yeah very fast company no that
that sounds right there's I was there's absolutely no chance that I was three
seconds faster than a GT3 Cup car zero I I actually in hindsight I think I
said it wrong and I think it's 143 I have this written down by the way my job
my my primary job is to write this for an article okay I have I have the
documents I think I got it wrong it's not 140.0 I think it's 143.0 so either way
is that your way that's the record in a cup car that's the fastest cup car well
I mean it's the fast thing I have found in quick search okay but this is so
either way decent CCW yeah all right yeah decent sure and go forward I like I was
upset I don't know any of these people's names then I get to dog bone and I
don't I do not know who dog bone is yeah you know over this and Romano is
they're driving Cup car and an expo GTX what is a crossbow GTX that's the
is that that's the racing crossbow right definitely yeah okay well okay so the
point of all this is I guess the GTD isn't it so before I get there I I will
say I here's why I'm me I did that one great my one best feeling lap and I was
like nope that's it and I probably and they're like you got about 10 minutes of
fuel left and I went nope nope thank you very much good night and good luck
sir yeah I if I if I went one more off for sure and I think the chart this
particular track makes me look better than I am because there is no runoff here
so if you know if we were at a track with a bunch of runoff like Coda or
something Pat Long or York or fucking whatever Ford's factory drivers is going
so deep into the runoff every corner and my brain isn't wired to do that
Chuck Wallah has no runoff it's curbing and then rocks yeah so the advantage
is that a comfy pro driver would take in line don't really exist at this
particular track right like when when you watch F1 or something else but they
they're 90 95% of their car is over the line but the tire just stays in so
that you know they don't get a five-second penalty exactly exactly but I mean
I had so much fun driving the race car like it's I think I think I don't have
what it would take to race that car like I don't want to drive it in a field of
other race cars I think just me trying to push it myself on my with no one else
there that was hard enough like that I that was that was that I found that to be
a very rewarding challenge but the the challenge of racing it wheel to wheel I don't
know might be a little further than my my desires I don't think I would I think
there's other people that would push harder than I would push in a race like
that I think I want to race race something I'd want to race the dark horse
are I can yeah I can I have time to think in between things in a in a car like
that whereas it's it's even to run one lap in the GT3 for me is you know I think
graduating up is it's you it's how a smart person would go about racing and if
you win the lottery and you suddenly jump from getting your SCCA license in a
Miata to I'm getting for a challenge now because I can afford it and the speed
increased so dramatically and everything happened so fast there's a lot to you
used to and that's probably why you end up with people going off the
multi-matic guys are like you you wouldn't be surprised to find out how many people go from
license to this because it's just you know money yeah you know you you can you can
hire a team rent a car and he's like you know I go I'm trying to tell him about the car
and I'm like I'm sorry I'm probably not that good at like describing the nuances of race cars
like well there's pros he's like but you're better than you know the hedge fund guy who
you know it was like my first race cars and GT3 he's like you at least have like that idea of
like what grip and dynamics and stuff are they're cool so that shit was rocking crazy and now my
neck is hurting yeah I wanted to do some of those band exercises I'm a neck damn yeah if you're
good well before Kota you probably should that's a street tire race I'm running we're running E92 M3
on street tires so I'm not worried about my neck there this running 60 laps with downforce
and full slicks especially there Chuck Walla is all third and fourth floor sweepers and that
fucking bowl corner which dude the bowl in the GT3 was really something that's like Daytona it was
private it was that was a really one of those super cool yeah what a good day the I'll tell you
what the GT3 makes curbs disappear just just glide and to segway you know what else does the GTD
really the GTD is made for hitting curbs hard and it this thing this is this is this is nice
this is this is all right you know they're they're asking a mega fuck ton of money for this car
for a Mustang this blue beautiful absolutely beautiful blue car they thank god they brought a good
car I had to educate the multi-manic guy they were like I was like oh thank god you brought a good
car though I guess we have white black and blue I said use the white and black ones for crash testing
get some red some yellow and I explained to him why press card and he was like oh and I was like
just thank you for bringing the blue because this blue is beautiful um this also
this they were very clear to point out is a is a multi-manic product this is this is added drives
like it this is this thing is fucking awesome um uh it's okay it's 815 horsepower it's uh it's
it's a it's a it's a fucked ton of power it's a huge amount of power and it's that fabulous
the tremic transaxle the eight speed um similar to the GT500 upgraded a bit it has a rear-mounted
oil and trans coolers in what is effectively a hollow trunk a huge amount of active
downforce and aerodynamics front and rear this crazy swan neck wing uh they don't all have the
swan neck wing that's a package right you can get the are they all have the swan neck
they don't some of them have a fixed wing then they have the active wing I had the active wing
because of course uh and then it has the the track mode drop like the generation 2 4 GT did
where you have to be parked and it goes you know like slams it uh in this photo it is in
track mode I think I think it gets like whoa and it goes back up when you turn the car off
so you can't shut it off in track mode you have to park it yeah you you have to leave it running
which we have the wing on this thing it extends beyond the rear bumper yeah when you put a red flag
on it we drive on the highway it is enormous yeah um so uh it's sound and and because of the center
exit a crop of it exhaust it does have a unique sound that I've not heard really from a
Mustang before it does sound different it's cool it's a metallic rasp um that typically you
would get from German cars that you that you get from here um the body's carbon this one have the
interior carbon also uh the multi-matic guys like remove the hood grates uh before the track um
which they said you don't really have to do but it was a hundred degrees and they're like can't hurt
and so it has in-board uh in-board rear suspension which you can't see in the mirror while you're
driving unless you tilt the mirror down um but if the passenger like looks back there and I have a
camera is a window with back seat backrest would be yeah yeah and unlike the the GT3 RS you can fold
the seats forward so you can actually throw shit back there which is good um you know farly made a big
deal about this going after the GT3 RS which I think strictly on a lap time for lap time comparison
is fair I mean they they run I think the three RS mantis still quicker but they're but they're in
they're in the same same league you know they're they're both doing sixes which is insanely fast
you know regular regular drivers aren't doing sixes in either of those cars yeah the official time
for the GTD is 652 yeah and what's GT3 RS it's uh it's a little better but I think it's a little
better um but nevertheless they they're they're they're in the zone right six forty nine yeah
so eight seconds absolute six fifty two to six forty nine that's three seconds you said
fifty two oh fifty two right three seconds yeah so that's you know different day different driver maybe
right um so uh I got I only drove it on the street for maybe half an hour during lunch um my concern
because it has three twenty five fronts and three forty five rears was that it would be even
nastier to drive on the street than the dark horse which has uh three oh five fronts
and I think three twenty five rears or three fifteen rears but um on the street amazingly enough
it tramlined less than the dark horse so it's just an alignment thing it's just an alignment thing
yeah um now it did catch some edges because these front tires are crazy wide um but it wasn't bad
it it my my initial concerns about how it drives on the street uh may have been premature because it
actually seems to drive straight just fine which is good um that's that's what we want um now
and on the track it's really good uh the front rear balance is fucking awesome I just turned
everything off right away not to brag I just wanted to see like how it was man talk about a car
that does not do anything you don't tell it to do wow does all the things you tell it to do it does
nothing you don't it's great um if you it's in in in some modes I don't think the guy kept the guy
multi-matting guy blesses art kept telling me that it was gonna shift when I hit red line even in
manual mode and maybe there's a mode where that does happen but I did spin the down the knee hit
M and it didn't do it if you had red line it banged the red line perfect um it's eight gears so the
gears are a little shorter so it's the most people if you consider a corner a quote second gear
corner in this it's a third gear corner particularly because you just have like monster torque across
thing you don't need to sit at red line all the time you can rev the engine a little lower and
still go like real fast so um it's stupidly fast obviously I would say for the first
let's say ten maybe the first yeah the first like eight to ten hard stops like full bore threshold
braking for the first ten the brakes are better than the GT3 car like and then it and then it tapers
off and I'm not saying the brakes go away you could easily run a full track day session with the
brakes but but they go from holy mother fucking shit to simply very very good after about ten
stops on a hot day but the first stops I was like what the fuck like huge just just amazing
braking performance really good well the front tires are and also wide as the three two three
twenty five fronts and three forty five rears and an active arrow under braking so you haven't
you have the use of an air brake two two certain degrees not the same as a big McLaren flippy one
but it does do I think and like when you if you brake because you're braking late now when you turn
in and you've got three twenty five fronts like the turn in is just sick for compared to the GT3
car it's got lazy steering but for a street car you know a front-engine street car the steering is
very sharp but it's not it's not dirty like Ferrari like you know Ferrari steering can be like
whoa too quick yeah for some people it's you know especially like the F12 like before they started
doing the rear steer stuff a little little twitchy this is like no problem how's the feedback
because I remember dark horse I was one of my complaints about that car in the canyon was it was
pretty numb same I mean they they've you know there's there's not a lot there I mean you can tell
what the front wheels are doing but that's where GT3 RS you know has them dead to rights it's still a
fairly digital you know experience in the same way it is in all the other mistakes speaking of
three hours quick correction the three RS did the 649 man tie that was just the regular car not
the man tie car oh that direction sure fair um so uh the the 50 50 weight balance is
absolutely crucial that's be it's in mainly because you have that rear transaxle and because
you have that cooling system at the rear um they've just and that because the wing is hanging off
off the car um but you really do like that's so important because it just means that you can make
these micro adjustments um in the mid corner and you can really get the fucking hammer down super
early and just dance it on the way out like it's just fabulous when you hit like it at chuck wall
up where is the best the best because this is gonna be a little inside baseball if people have never
been to chuck wall but sax been there a lot okay the front running running counterclockwise so
you're passing the pit left to right that front yes that that the front straight the braking zone
has a chicane in it and it's a chicane where you can take a lot of curbing if your car can be steady
under braking you can take a lot of curbing so this car i i dove in before hitting the brakes stood
on the brake pedal about 20 feet before the curb and was full engagement over the curb and the car
just went huh really yeah i didn't go in no no it was really nice yeah right oh there we go
get us a little visual there yeah so it's this chicane at the end of the front braking zone
you're coming here from top right down here and you just you yeah this is a this is a very fun
track chuck wall it's really flowy it's a great endurance track because it's not very hard on
brakes this front braking zone and then the long back straight if you zoom out those are the only
two hard braking zones and they're both followed by long periods of not breaking and so your brakes
really don't get too hot so you can run a good endurance race here um i really like this track
it's really fun and there's middle and nowhere but as long as you rent the cabin it's all right
and there's good elevation which obviously this doesn't show very well but there's the i mean
the bowl is fun but you climb this hill on the back straight and when you're going clockwise
the way this drops down so on the back straight into the bowl is really exciting yeah it's only like
a 30 foot maybe 50 foot drop but it's enough and then of course over here this is what what i
will call kyan hill where we almost had a big oopsie gazing in 2012 with a camera car yeah it's
like it's similar to button willow um this track but it's it's prettier than button willow and it's
i think uh more fun and has 20 percent more elevation yes yeah and i would say the elevation
feels more natural here in fun willow like the hill yeah they just beat build mountains it's just a
plop yeah so it's a plop yeah yeah i really i really do like chuck wall it's really fun so okay what
else can i tell you about the gtd or their question we can't have questions we can talk about
well i have a quick funny gt story to add so i did spikes car radio on Saturday and i decided to
drive the dark horse up there because you were back in time and i said great i'll drive that up
and he had never seen one before he had no idea what it was even though he likes mustangs so i
get there we park it and he goes oh a friend of mine is coming and he's bringing someone else who's
bringing a mustang and i was like who's your friend his friend is like a police captain this guy shows
up his police captain's friend who pulls in his bow Bachman oh that's driving his pink gtd just up
just i mean upstage dark horse i don't care at all but the dark horse or sorry the gtd when pulled in
did they do a show where they just hang out he was just hanging out okay it looks incredible looks
especially big bows like colors cool well window to the suspension is rad this i mean everything
about it it has a presence yeah it's a large vehicle yeah it's huge well that's so that's the
one thing like the one thing i didn't yet and there and Ford says they're at when the car comes
to la we're absolutely gonna get one for a week so like whatever but but um it's enormous right
and bike ravine was there and i was like giving him some shit about the thing being enormous
he's like what does it matter on the track and i was like people are going to park these at
fucking trader joe's dude like there it's the size of like an f-150 like it's huge um but
that's it so i got my capsule experience on a on a racetrack that i had all to myself
does it feel big on the track now it doesn't feel big on the track when you have a whole track
yourself it's fine on a on in malibu it probably will feel enormous yeah um i'm gonna measure
it i'm curious how much bigger than we did the with it's it's pretty close to the width of an
eventador if you count the gtds mirrors but don't count the eventador's the eventador has really
long mirrors right that that accentuates it's with but um it's it's big i mean it's like eight inches
wider than a regular Mustang yeah and because the front engine car the hood is very tall because
of pedestrian crash standards yeah so it's it's a big it's thick yeah not what you do so so other than
the lap time the vibe of it is so much different from the gt3rs that i don't think the comparison
works i i just don't um i i do think that if you like mustangs and you want the ultimate street
legal track day Mustang this is the best Mustang i've ever driven sure i mean by a by a margin
you know the three gt 350 r was incredibly special um you know uh 10 years ago and
and they're still special now absolutely but this is a no this is a multi-matic product this is not
a fucking Ford it's barely a Ford yeah at this point um the the way that it and and like what
is it what are the compromises for this thing well you have no backseat you have no trunk you have
a very wide front tires it's it's enormous and it's expensive those are your those are your
compromises there aren't others that's it it the software the UI oh yeah and uh uh and other
downside is when you're sitting in it there is zero difference from a dark horse to this other
i mean it's an automatic but so zero difference from a gt with a fucking recarrows it's mustang
that that's it even you know the gt 3 rs a 9 11 is much nicer than the Mustang but a gt 3 rs
is nicer than a 9 11 they have unique door cards they have they have certain unique interior
features that do go above and beyond in a way the gt d does not go above and beyond okay so
um but but having said that like they just feel completely different i mean
the vibe of the ultimate Mustang and the vibe of the quote ultimate Porsche they're different
vibes they're one is the Caribbean and and one is Hawaii one is Paris and one is Rome one is
New York and one is fucking la you know they're like they're both sick but like they're just so
different so um and like is it worth it's insanely expensive that blue cars 460 thousand dollars
like does it feel like that like what does that mean like what does it feel like not when you're
sitting there parked certainly doesn't um you know well i mean it does it just a gt 3 rs feel like
the msrp they charge now it has different door cards it does feel different than a 9 11 but does it
feel like 300 400 grand this is such a significant question based on i think yeah no i think it's
it that's an insane number two but i think it's somehow more easily justifiable i think um somehow
but like i don't know i don't have the fucking kind of money anyway they'll sell every one of these
things every one of these there are enough rich Mustang enthusiasts that they don't even need to go
outside that pool there one if you're not already like you're not gonna be able to get allocation
for this fucking thing not for a while yeah so like uh it's amazing it's amazing whatever it costs
it costs like it's a fuck ton it's a fuck ton but it's it is cool that it was made by multimatic
who made i mean the g the 4 gt i mean they've made a lot of different really high end amazing race
honestly but why i had to do a track day in a 2017 to 2019 for gt i'm not talking about the crazy
mark for race car but like the the one that we drove down and curated if i was going to do a track
day and that or the gtd gtd why other than sound in addition to sound i should say i just uh
i think uh i'd be more comfortable pushing it harder like it's it was really fun to like push
the gtd really hard where i would be nervous about doing that in the gt because of its value
and um i don't know i've never tried to push a gt that hard to really see what would happen i'm
sure it's good well it's funny is with this day you had this this ramp of mustangs you warmed up
to gtd and there's no warm up for for gt there's no baby version and then you know stouter version
and then you hop in it or gt yeah but i just i found the mustang to be not necessarily more exciting
because visually obviously the gt is more exotic and exciting but like just in in the way it
in the way it went through a corner in the way it took a bump in the way it the brakes the brakes
were just like mind blowing um in in the stability of it when you really started to push it really
hard i just thought was exceptional across the board um you know the only things that i don't like
about it are that in some ways it does feel kind of you know like the the you know the interiors
you know bland and mustang and it's and it's huge like and those are things that
neither i nor they are going to change so like it's it's it's just it's fabulous to drive it
really is fabulous to drive it is a bummer that for a car that is this expensive and is made by
people who are absolutely brilliant and can transform any material into anything they need to really
that they couldn't do something with like door card and little dash accent something that just
there are some carbon bits like this has a carbon dash trim thing by the time yeah yeah yeah yeah
so that's what i'm saying is it'd be cool if they could judge up the outside or sorry the inside
because the outside looks insane outside looks really special and if you look in the back seat that's
like there's the whimsy yeah but it's you have to look everywhere except right in front of you when
you're driving the car you only downside that i hear but like fuck i mean it's it's it's it's at least
on on the track and on desert highways i haven't got to take in the canyons at well we're going to get
to do a road driving video with one as just as soon as we get it um what so this panel right here uh
all the same same as regular Mustang is in the dark horse yeah i was driving to spikes
Zach's talking about there's a there's a row of hard buttons sort of in front of the shifter yeah
so when you press on those buttons in the dark horse at least all of them moved a little bit and if
you press on the top of it it doesn't activate any of the controls but all of the buttons move
because it's all actually one piece of plastic you're hitting the button underneath the panel
yeah i'm just wondering i just that just left to my mind as i look at this wondering if it's a little
better than this it's i doubted it's probably exactly the same piece yeah exactly the same piece um i
did do a few slides and it while it the 50 50 balance and the 800 horsepower are certainly good
for sliding i very easily hit the lock stops on the steering there is none i i did uh the the
the last two corners before the front straight then Lee was sliding in 2012 right in the yellow car
two rights yeah yeah the the the big left and then the big right and then the big left yeah so
the the first one pretty nice little wiggly on the on the gatherup and then the last two were great
except i fucking hit the lock stops on both and i was like nope that's it so there's not a lot of
angle on this car so that's not it's not optimized for a Dorifto's for the turning radius is not good
the tires are so wide absolute dog shit um you know what's funny is i did it in track mode which is
lower now the turning the the angle won't change the tires are huge yeah they're just big yeah it's
just not going to look awesome though the fender it did hold the third gear slide through the sweeper
right until i hit the lock until he just left and that's it up do you loop or did you just
just no no i gathered it up but like that was the end yeah uh but man it's a it's a thing though it's
fucking this is this this car sick it's it's imperfect in in ways that compromise machines are in
this case it's just giant but uh it's fast it's balanced it's a lot of fun um to hook around a race
track and it's it's nice when you're driving slow too i mean it's it's not clunky at all when you're
slow when it's fucking regular car it's great yeah comfort mode is like very chill um it's pretty cool
yeah really really nice um it's i wish it was half what it cost i i understand why it probably
can't be but like at at like 200 grand like no brainer absolute you know toe to toe with the
zr1 no brainer but at you know 100k more than the zr1 you know forget the gt3rs that's really where
the comparison is going to be and we will have both it performance car of the year which will
that's good that's gonna be getting to go back to back with gt3 not rs we don't get an rs
if the gt3r we're getting is a is a wing car with comfort seats in a stick okay so my guess is it
doesn't win the lap times but editor's choice maybe it's a contender for editor's choice we got
we i mean this year's lineup is fucking heavy this versus the r1 this is the r1 goliath goliath
it's gonna be yeah i mean that's gonna be it's gonna be a lot of fun i can't wait to go back to
back with this in the zr1 it's gonna be a really really fun but i'm just i'm extremely impressed
with what they're able to make this car do it's fucking really good it's very very fun
and even with everything full off like if if you drive you know not stupid it's great no no
it'll matters nice really nice yeah you want to get to questions mm-hmm you know what before we get
to questions um i yeah i am gonna have a little whiskey for questions what do you say i'm gonna
skip okay but you can hold the fort for a minute uh the life are there a lot of people they can wait
they'll wait so i'm gonna do one forty five
yeah david i think on lap meta that was a like close the window um i think it was like a hurricane
evo track car something like that so one forty three is fast and what is the power of this exbo thing
and the exbo GTX 2020 well looks in every way like a race car let me go back for a second uh
uh wow crossbow whatever you want to call it katium crossbow GTX and GT2
um six piece sequential 530 horsepower and this car cannot weigh that much car whatever you want
to call it um so weight without fuel so dry weight i guess let's call uh 2200 pounds 2300 pounds
2300 pounds the cross the crossbow GTX met farrah is a 530 horsepower car that weighs about
2200 pounds dry so for you to be knocked on the door that thing that's rip it a lot more weight
uh the GT3 is way heavier that's incredible wow a little johnny walker blue just keep it real
we got that from Hussein right yeah we captured it from his bunker we did um all right let's go
to the people we got some leftover is then we got a bunch of new stuff okay well well we'll
fucking let's see what kind of energy we got yo of course if you want to ask questions for the
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just the best thing that you can do uh a couple of leftovers from last show uh flying monkey the
electric G wagon has been declared a flop by Mercedes due to poor sales but loved by journalists
and reviewers can you think of other cars in the past that got high praise but were complete failures
with the public and didn't sell yes but first can i just say that i think maybe in two years
a used electric G wagon maybe my next daily driver oh fuck around car because the depreciation is
probably insane yeah i bet it's crazy cheap yeah we're gonna have to we're gonna have to revisit
that in two years because hanna loves a G wagon so that could be the kind of thing that we could
find for fucking nothing yeah um what else was praised well but didn't sell very well i mean every
lotus yep um mm hmm every look up like every motor trend car of the year is like a fucking flop
different Porsche stuff right yeah um um pretty i mean apparently the alpine a 110 does not sell very
well even though everyone who drives it seems to think it's the greatest thing ever small light sports
cars in general maybe just don't do that great cater rooms yeah like that sure yeah yeah this
respectfully agree that's a good username last week on vacation i drove up pikes peak it was
wonderful but terrifying because it confirmed i have a fear of heights are there other automotive
pilgrimages i can put on my list that it may be a bit lowered to the ground sure um certainly car
week is one uh going to any number of iconic race tracks to watch watch a race that's i guess
the equivalent of going to all the the baseball stadiums or whatever right um you could go to
events like you go you could go to the day tone of 500 or you could go to grid life to like watch
people drive and race and then without way you don't have to get too high off the ground
oh monster jam it's not really a pilgrimage but you just don't get away say that's a pilgrimage uh
oh was it million dollar well that's kind of half the ground million dollar highway and
Colorado is amazing it is but it's that that goes up a mountain that's true yeah
hmm route 66 death valley that goes down from mountains but true uh choose your your month wisely
hmm it's a bit there is a pilgrimage a road trip or uh like because you can you can come here to
California and see where they film the iconic uh race wars scene from fast and furious a lot of
people want to do that by the way really i want to go and they want to go to the tune of place
yeah story no that the task of your house yeah i usually just take them to Neptune's net the house
in the tuna store not good dance of the car avoidance a little pearl jam reference in there
how come i see an RV flat towing a vehicle nine times at a tent it's a two-door
base jeep wrangler is there something specific about a jeep that makes it good for flat towing
or a runabout yeah i think i think i think a two-door wrangler uh i don't know what makes it
i might be easier to hook up a flat tow bar to the front of it just because it's like i don't know
solid axle or whatever like and i think they probably have the space that's open for a winch you
can probably just put a flat tow thing in there probably there's probably some very easy way but also
like if you're a traveling person like retired or whatever and you wanted a car that could do any
adventure you know a two-door wrangler is a pretty good choice for telling behind an RV i mean
you can take the top off if you're somewhere nice if you're going like skiing you could drive
it in the snow you can uh you know it's an old school automatic transmission so you just throw
it put it neutral easily which makes it good for flat towing i think that it's light a wrangler is
a pretty light light vehicle i was looking at they seems like they're all about three thousand pounds
eighty five cj is twenty six to twenty nine hundred um not bad yeah i mean it's got a small footprint
i'm an uber yeah i think it's a great choice great choice for telling behind your RV yeah
my vanos is bleeding uh i drive past the body shop on my commute and it's starting to accumulate
crash testless our replacement parts still an issue i haven't heard that in a while i don't know
i don't know either yeah everything clean but the ash tray if the s sc to atara is a corvette
to pagani what is a court wait is a corvette pagani what's a corvette nine eleven oh no no that
right so that's sort of not how that works the answer to the what is the corvette to a nine eleven is
just corvette is an actual corvette yeah right i don't think there's anything in between right
yeah i mean there is nothing else that has a rear-engine flat six configurations so you can't
there's no like one to one but like it came in somewhere it's mid but sure yeah i guess that is it
no that that's not how that works the metaphor was doesn't work like that the answer to what is the
corvette of nine elevens is corvette like i'm sorry it just is like that's that's why i used corvette of
pagani's because corvette of other things was already taken by the actual corvette sorry i
mean dig like that clapman's fresh and dorm bed how well how well screwed together are e34
bmw's are they more like e 39's or more like e 36's that's a good question and i'm going to say
that they are more like e 36's but like they're more expensive so they're the materials and some
the seats and some things are better maybe i i don't know they were built from 87 to 96 so maybe
if you get the ones that were made in the late eighties maybe they're glued using the toxic stuff
that works versus the bad agreeable stuff that didn't work in the nineties i don't know my mom had
an old not a five or anything but i don't remember it having as many interior clink any clunks
as e every year e 36 i've ever been was a much more expensive vehicle so it was put together better
to begin with but i think e 46 and e 39 go together and are built about the same and e 34 and
e 36 are built at about the same quality uh it may also be that the e 34's that i've been in
the presence of have just been nicer cars like zucker man's e 34's are like amazing but other
ones i've seen are like kind of shitty um razors freaking out trying to open this link to show you
not working uh instagram handle on my window have we had any more discussions about having a
meet-up in the northeast no did we ever have a discussions about having well doing something
in Seattle yeah that's the northwest oh sorry the northeast uh minus a car club let us know uh
no i mean like i don't know if i had had taught meet-ups are a strange thing i was thinking of live
podcast yeah so if if the live podcast tour happens there'll first be a west coast one and then
there would be an east coast one we we have to do baby steps um if i'm if i go to something on the
east coast i would certainly share that i was going to be there but i don't have any plans i may
it is possible i may go to the hilton head concourse with my dad um can't oh wait so bad
gardener says if you've seen the 912 barca on instagram most monaco car ever yeah look at that
it's uh it's a it's a 912 turned into a jolly basically kind of uh sorry the like they have
the doors taken out uh it's a convertible it looks like there may no may not be a top at all
it has the doors taken out it looks like there are teak panels um
right is there a queen scroll through these images yeah we've got we've got to tie down like a
cleat and a rope we have the floor yeah teak floors like those are in some ways they're like a
sailboat and other ways they look like this cutting board that i have this design to catch crumbs
of bread it looks like a sauna floor right water is fall through no problem yeah as long as those
floors don't like raise the height of the floor too much in general i absolutely love this vibe
i wonder if it's structurally sound um but i 10 to 10 wood roll around oh look at that bimini
that top is weird bimini is crazy what is it covering really like
your head half your head sort of yeah is there another angle of this this overhead view is very
very odd i want to see i do like the teak outboards and the the shape of the cutouts is very similar
to a bmw z wants for sure this the audience wants more because switch your cast was having a
conniption um that's the weird top all right and then yeah z1 doors teak bumper hell yeah on the teak
bumper i would i would ask them to make a teak bumper for my 9 11 just because oh and then it's
elect it was at a hose it's a hose it has a it has a water tank yeah that is the same hose do they
have it at our dog park at our building yeah they have one of those to wash dogs yeah so this
would be to hose off your feet before you get back in your car at the beach got it's actually kind
of a boss move i do it i'm about this i'd i would roll that on in tuck it but from 10 feet away it
doesn't look like it's probably like it's probably six hundred thousand dollars and from 10 feet away
it looks like rob for ready cut it with a sauce yeah i mean the colors don't help when you get
up close the colors look amazing but far away especially with this camera dark wheels they just
disappear the whole thing looks like someone's ratty 9 11 they chopped up you get close then you
can tell it was expensive yeah i mean but i do like where their head is at and i think that these these
the resto mod beach car is a is a good genre and should be explored um fiat jolly's are great
like i'm obviously teammates hundred percent uh shit like this like yeah let's fucking do all that
that sounds great um holy what okay mats missing kuntosh part we're gonna find out what that part is
and how expensive it is uh since it's a Mustang day what is the most beautiful Mustang ever
Zach and i are gonna have wildly different answers maybe i don't know most beautiful i mean that's
i think like i think 67 GT 350 was very good and then
you know what the sn 95 if you lower it i think actually has a really good shape to it
especially with you with the terminator front we need the lower balance
otherwise it's too tall yay but that's a pretty good looking car yeah
i mean for me the most beautiful Mustang ever is the sn 95 saline s 351 uh and that's that's
where it's at for me we can we can stop there specifically an s 351 speedster now that is a
ridiculous vehicle that is not elegant by most people standards but it's terms of the George
Foreman car that one is triple fucking yellow but like yes different color yeah that's a good
that is a good looking car real body kit yeah uh even with yeah the convertible
hmm speed through whatever in the right color this is fabulous i think i think these are i think
these were quite shapely and i love the proportions of headlights and the front intakes and all that
stuff yeah yeah and mine mine when i was a kid had very was was a clone i cloned a cobra
so mine looked a little different i didn't go this direction with mine but it was if you know
i think i've talked about it but if i if i found the right sn 95 saline speedster that that might
be something i was interested in can't unshit box this but the notice canyon black pearl as my
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parked favorite and least favorite localized road designs i.e the jug handles in jersey or
texas front and roads okay my favorite are roundabouts roundabouts and i've been so surprised
to see them in many red states places where i would have not thought to see progressive road
design like arizona and where where i fucking jr. Georgia i just was roundabouts fucking fabulous
all over the place the worst those michigan you turns those stink that's a michigan woodward
all the you you can't cross anywhere you have to make these we it's similar to the jug handle
basically a jug handle new jersey jug handles stink texas front and roads also suck i don't mind
in that much i just think they're they seem redundant like everyone's going the same speed is
the highway there's so many lanes and they stretch for such a long time it's like it's the gentlest
off ramp it's just uh in you know and then they drop you into like a four lane you know frontage
road so i'm sure there's a reason for it but i like i like the really old highways like the
Hutchinson River Parkway and the Merit in Connecticut and here here the 110 freeway where the the
on ramps are so short because they're from like the 20s that you get to use launch control in like
a turbo s i have to yeah you would have and no one's like has a problem with that the safety issue
if you don't yeah you're in a versa god help you i like when an exit ramp on or off is designed for
funsies and that's a good you know good kid lights camber on there let me load up the front end a
little bit for i think whoever designed those short on ramps here they either had like a built
muscle car in the sixties and they're like and people figured out quadrufolio face next car
brand to die in the u.s gotta be a stilantis member uh it does seem that way doesn't it
it just i'm just waiting for when christler christler asks their product gets absorbed by someone else
because they make one thing yeah i mean
well well oh a question are they saying has to be a us brand oh it has to be a stilantis member
next car brand to die in the u.s it could also be uh struggling like nesan having some trouble
yeah nesan would probably be acquired for sure right there's gotta be some value left in that
i think it's possible that fiat just exits the u.s entirely like i have you there's the new fiat 500
like on sale here that's a good question like what fiat's can you buy right now like i don't even
know what fiat's it is it is possible to even buy today it's gotta be it fiat or i mean christler
just has a pacifico yeah exactly they just renamed the division pacifico why do they even have
models uh so fiat well most of the models on their website are from 2024 uh-huh the 500 e
georgio are money all right p baby fiat 20 these are all 2024 models wow okay uh-huh okay so
so maybe yeah maybe fiat uh christy amaguchi main nice um okay interested in a miata
get talk to me about nc versus nb i prefer the nc it's it's a much bigger vehicle by miata standards
which does translate to room inside yeah and the interior does feel like a big step forward
a little more liable and i know it's like was it 200 pounds heavier but yeah it's still a very
light car yeah and as we experienced with the turbo setup from flying miata it's a very very fun car
so i i would go nc if i was going to go back to it uh if we could make a vid a madfair's million
piece kuntosh and we could make a video about if we can make a video without worrying about cost
or numbers what would it be about
like i would make you know i would try to make that that show that everyone tells me can't be made
basically which is the quote bourdain of cars show which can be done and should be done
with someone needs me uh i always wanted to do the learn to drive everything series but now that
has basically been done by rob dom and other people but if i didn't have to worry about money
that's what i would do i just go around to different every single different kind of driving
vehicle school including buses and shit and just learn how to drive that stuff uh time says have we
seen lary's gt3 for sale on bat that's really funny i was i didn't know he was selling it
um but i was on bring a trailer today and i saw a car and i was like oh that looks like lary's
i didn't realize it was actually is um yeah i know why he's selling it i do know why uh he
talks to me about it for a while he he he doesn't um great photo he uh he just doesn't have
time and energy to drive it in a way that it deserves to be driven he's got a kid right now who
who is very into baseball and he spends all his time doing baseball stuff with the kid
and he can't take the gt3 to do that and when he's not doing that he's doing other stuff and he
just doesn't have time to drive it and he has he said when he's when he's on uh you know his
it was his dream to buy a gt3 and now he's had it for whatever a year or something and he you
know he found himself like running errands in it just to drive it for something you know when he
bought it are a year a year or so before he bought it he was he was really going to the track a lot
of whatever and then you know he kind of he moved on from that so so he he thought it was a it
was a very expensive car and uh who's and uh huh sorry it was a very expensive car and he he said
you know i could i could free up some capital to do some other things i wanted and and you know
he's got four other cars or something you know yeah he talked to me about it i said get
fucking rid of it dude so gt3 if you really if you really really care you'll can buy another one
someday you know uh bush did nine nine seven do you have any Venturi experience or know anyone
who's owned one i know my Venturi experience is only coming through uh Matt Ivano at the curated
collector the curated collector is how he's called what's Matt Ivano the cultivated collector
that's Matt Ivano the cultivated collector uh and it's Venturi Venturi not venture into URI
it's a weird french car uh Venturi 400 and um this is the one that we had here at west side
collector car storage wow they called it like the french f 40 it was similar power and i drove it
once it drove weird it drove um sort of like uh of fast like a lotus a spree kind of thing
it was that that sort of vibe cool looking car yeah in generally a very attractive car i forgot
but this thing was that uh it was here years ago right and i forgot about well we first opened
it was out here great shape really good looking cars yeah it's got yeah it's like an f 355
kind of yeah continue yeah a little bit yeah fun France right um okay uh
keep going down full on uh i think we've answered that one um
keep going that's a fun band there's a fun name for a user but i don't want to answer
question right now uh into the void do we have any experience with painos very curious about these
cars i drove an esperante once it drives a lot like it has a you know it has a must-ang cobra
powertrain um but it's sort of like it's it drives nicer than a must-ang cobra i think they're
kind of weird looking uh they were i mean reasonably successful is race pretty fast cars are pretty
fast um i only drove the one once though but i i smile if i see one around john henna see you
until next oh john henna see you next Tuesday so funny pretty funny uh obviously they're cheap
for a reason but at what point does it two thousand and nine mercedes six hundred v twelve
become an actual goodbye ten k five k like
when you can just like leave it on the side of the road when it breaks i guess i think it's it's
really a finance question for the person asking too i mean this could fun engine you can do some fun
things with the car yeah but if it breaks in any significant way it will be so expensive
yeah like the reason it's like at five k you still are going to have a catastrophic
failure that will total it like there is no price at which it's a good idea like because because
it's like instead of what you know like it's are we cross-shopping it again is the game
is the game that we're cross-shopping it against the hypothetical thirty thousand dollar hatchback
and so if i get it for twenty and i have to spend ten like no but because i won't work but if i
get it for five and my cushion is twenty five does that make sense so that's the math the problem is
the lines don't like cross like there is it never makes sense so the it's like it only makes sense
if you can throw the car in the garbage like if you're a person not of means trying to make
this hack work for you ain't gonna fucking happen it could be very painful yeah i would i would
refer to the forums because they might be able to tell you you know you you can swap the air
suspension for coils and you can do this thing but just expect every computer that controls the
age-fact to explode but maybe you can end up with a beater drift car with a v-12 that'll last six
months the problem yeah like not these six hundreds have so many unique parts over the other car like
everything is expensive on them regular shit is i don't know i don't know where the math works
at all it may not i think it's very subjective math yeah it's it's up to you how how much
if you cost five grand and your budget is a hundred grand it makes sense because you can just
drive it and when it breaks you just leave it on the side of the road take off the tags and now you
can go buy a ninety five thousand dollar car you've had your fun that's when the math makes sense when
the car is a literal throwaway item if you wanted to go drive off road a thousand miles probably one
of those five grand would be great um
Jim Kanna says checking out an auto check report on a certified pre-owned car recently
i noticed an accident the report gave no indicated area of the car it said only police
car runs and drives beautifully i don't see any signs of respray have you ever seen this and do
you know what this means have you ever seen police uh was it rear ended by a cop that would be very
funny yeah was it um it said police uh i've never i've never seen police uh can you uh
what if you can ask the police maybe i don't know ask auto check you should hit their
contact yeah you can probably call auto check and find out get a ppi is all i'm saying
drae from houston uh okay wait oh all right okay any movies or shows where the hero car in reality
would be the downfall of the hero uh oh yeah what did i watch great okay gray man it's like
tears old they made it on Netflix with um Ryan Gosling it's a good action movie whatever he doesn't
have to emote much he got his acting chops took a break he shoots people but outy obviously sponsored
it and there's a scene where he is rescued by an outy that is extremely damaged in many ways
and yet continues to run flawlessly so i think there are so many movies where a car continually gets
crashed into but because they sponsored the movie right it just keeps working uh that was it fast
nine or ten Dodge like outrunning of the you know underwater explosion thing and like there's no way
any of this would continue to function almost every chase sequence the cars would just be falling
apart before the end of the chase sequence the roger phara podcast four years after it came out
is the base c8 something noteworthy for under a hundred k cross-shopping it with a 991.2 c2
or higher mileage spdk like not like fully base but if you get the z 51 and the good stuff then
sure yeah they're great cars yeah they're well under a hundred now yeah really well known yeah i mean
i guess if they're talking about getting a new one but i would get z 51 i'd get mag ride i'd get
the i would get all of the performance stuff you can afford puff the magic dragon
love it love it okay looking to get in my first Porsche leaning towards a 718
have good budget obviously i prefer the looks and exhaust howl of the rs spider however
i already have a crazy car a dragon that's more comfortable with ear plugs for a long drive
and i don't want another i'm thinking i could reroute the intake of the rs to reduce the noise or
make a valve setup but would that solve the noise problem or would the tops still be loud
i think the question is with the car work yeah i reroute the intake system i mean i wouldn't
why would i wouldn't bother doing any of that or a valve setup i don't think that's a good idea
yeah i mean if you really want to get a just get a demand motor in a came in or a boxster
if you want a really fast boxster and without having to deal with that i mean the
the top is still pretty loud like it's a single layer top non-insulated like
it's it's not great for long drives it's okay it's not great it's not what that car is about
i fuck i wouldn't get the rs and then fuck up the intake noise that's been a lot of time
engineering that and messing with it could change so many things probably void your warranty
so i would not do that way mo hand jobs from women i hardly know have you ever had an hpd
instructor give you completely contradictory directions whether it's proper line too much slip
too little slip etc it seems like each person is different how do you handle that especially if
you have a preference for a driving style it's not the instructor's style for context i'm in an
a group with lots of solo experience and i'm working towards being an instructor uh yeah i mean
who you have teach you is important and now that they have data i don't want someone in my
fucking car anymore and i don't think they want to be in my car anymore um for a not not prohibitive
amount of money you too can get telemetry uh and compare a a line with a with a with a pro or
have a pro review your lines and see if you can be accelerating or breaking or turning differently
based on video and that without having someone in the car um i've never had two different
instructors give me contradictory directions on the same day because i've never taken
hpd e instructors i've always done schools and that's fine i'm spoiled and not everybody can do that but
it's never happened but that's funny i've i've got i haven't had it back to back but i've seen
people who are instructors and ridden with them and they drove a very different way from other
instructors so i don't know how to like if you get back to back if you get different advice
cornered a corner with someone that would be very confusing ask for clarity and then maybe you
hop in with a different instructor if you don't think that you like their style yeah my vanos is
bleeding that's pretty fun uh how do you feel about retro style wheels um particularly uh
yeah there's i i like retro style wheels when they're done right but it's a pretty fine line
hmm because we constructed well also like bill well and look look perfect yeah um
um
jethro null requests and anything but cars episode that's interesting maybe we can do it as a
that's a more patreon pro show yeah anything but cars can be a pro show for september maybe um
okay hang on uh my other car is your mother
that's funny uh looking for a portion 997s cabriolay manual for seventy thousand that's a ton of
money for one of those isn't it i just sold it 997s manual earlier this year for like 42 grand
with an additional 10k set aside for maintenance a live in in new york city a dry primarily on
long island okay trying to decide between a c2s or c4s or is it worth waiting until i can afford a
turbo well hang on a minute do you if you're not driving in like snow and i literally i mean
snow not rain snow you do not need an all wheel drive portion don't need it cars fine in the rain
you don't need the all wheel drive so if why are you trying to decide between a c2s
and a c4s and i don't mean that to be insulting like is it because you want to drive this car
as your only car throughout the winter my guess is not because if you have 70 to spend on this car
that's not your daily probably right like i don't think you should get of a 4s i don't if you don't
unless you're driving the snow i would skip it turbo different story different feel
different car you're always buying it for the engine instead of for the uh drivetrain
yeah for the all the drivers two wheel drive i mean should i should you wait until you can afford a
turbo i don't know do you would would you rather have a turbo i mean if you think you can afford a
turbo in six months then don't get this now and that if that's what you want but like
is that what you want out of their different cars you know if it's your first Porsche
you probably don't need a turbo i think if it's your first one do a 997 s and just have the
experience enjoy the two wheel drive it'll be a little lighter the steering will be different than
the steering especially in 997's the there's a big difference in steering the new is the newer
the car the less the front drive matters the older the car the more it matters all right two more
and then we're these are the last four period oh we could probably just speedrun all right uh
i don't know whatever that thing is at the bottom what the lat whatever that car is oh yeah
find what that is okay hickory dickory doc the rod has windowed my block and that is very
fucking good every job has its good days and bad days what is an example of a great day at work
and what is an example of a shitty day at work in the automotive journalism field
i mean i just told you about a great day i got a whole range track to myself
and even another day before like a great day is a day where you get to drive something good
learn something new experience something about cars that maybe you've never experienced before
uh you know maybe improve your driving skills maybe you fucking nail a slide for camera
maybe you look like a hero because you did something cool
those are good cars and the car works car works no one gets hurt now that bad happens all that stuff
that's a great day a bad day is it could be a day where you're not doing anything related to cars
you're like fucking just sitting at home editing for 10 hours or you're selling ads or doing emails
or a day where you have an insane transit to get somewhere and then when you get there you get
like six laps of a track and then you fucking fly you know 30 hours each way to go somewhere like
um you know it's it's it's nice to say you went to spain it's nice to say you drove x car
but if it was really it could have been any hotel it could have been any racetrack anywhere
you didn't you weren't in spain you were just somewhere with a racetrack and took you forever to get
there you didn't get paid for that forever to get back and oh by the way the car is not that
interesting to the general masses and so you make a video that makes no money so a bad day at work
isn't the war a bad day work it means you crash the car that's the worst day at work or you get
hurt second to that a bad day at work is you put in a huge amount of time for something that
doesn't return any money and also where the experience wasn't very good we've done plenty of
gigs that made no money but they were super fun are super unique or something happened that made
it awesome and you went I don't give a shit if I made money or not that was sick going to
Morocco to drive the Dakar in the Sahara desert probably made some money think so don't care
it doesn't matter king of hammers king of great time they do it didn't do great great time no money
that that's one of those but um long way bad time not a car that's not interesting enough
to draw attention followed by no money there's your trifecta of shitty day at work yeah because
you've just spent a huge amount of time somewhere not home for something that just you know it's
not it's not your fault you did the same thing like you did the job but like sorry people don't give
a shit about the car and therefore you don't get to make money today all right last two
then I get to have ad reads woohoo oh three sorry how do you jacking off the record says
how do you think Chinese EVs would sell if they were allowed here assuming they're tariffed
like other Chinese goods that's a math problem I don't know I don't know I I someone can do the
math I guess but my understanding of Chinese EVs is that they are fucking shockingly cheap
compared to what we get here and people say that they seem to operate pretty well until there's
like some sort of you know a big problem or there's stories that pop out like oh the brakes don't
work on this thing or the car that was driving around in the parking lot by itself with nobody in it
right stuff like that but I think at the core of it if you were able to sell them here and they
were a lot cheaper than any of the competition which is what they are selling for in other countries
they would probably do really well because ultimately you know folks here just want to buy
something that works that costs less than whatever existing option they have I was talking to
someone yesterday in Malibu someone who works for an OEM I don't want to say who he is just in case
who case it's you know a thing but he was saying that he was kind of jealous he works for an OEM that
that is heavily EV and he was jealous he said basically all the suppliers the way the way that
they're networked and it's much more fluid streamline they're not just like locked into Google
or Apple or whatever and and so all the UIs and stuff just like work way better yeah over there
gin and teconic state parkway have I wanted to open a car storage place in New York or West
Chester do I think it would do well why or why not um I don't want to open any car storage places
anywhere I have to fly to that's not a great way to do business unless you're that kind of person
and um granted you know my parents live in that area so if I was going to have to fly somewhere
that's not the worst place I could fly to it's really far though and and um and people have big
houses there they seem to have more land people have big houses big garages um there is a place
there now called collector car garage it might actually be a haggardy something now but um but
they've been open for probably 20 years uh maybe yeah 20 years maybe more um but they do well um
there's probably room for another one somewhere for sure um but the demand is not really there I
mean if you get into Manhattan if you could get really you know close close um then you'd have
something but I don't want to do that and it wouldn't make more money than doing one here
and I don't I just I don't care you know about having property there like it's
same as anywhere else getting on a plane to go visit retail establishments stinks don't want
to have to do it last one lucky man to count on both hands the one I love the Pearl Jam is coming
in heavy um thoughts on the central seat 1300 pound 250 horsepower analog automotive
GHPK uh as a former lease owner the idea of this is very pleasant when you start to get this light
1300 pounds I start to get concerned it seems like there's that's not enough weight to have car
my manks is 1500 pounds so this looks like an alice uh just not an alice it may start at least
oh is someone making like a full carbon body alice a center drive yep
okay so it looks like someone has made a center drive carbon body to lease well that's
cool so here's it'll be cool if the steering is good you know when you when you move the steering
to center seats sometimes it gets a little wonky I've never driven a car that was converted to
center seat center steering from left hand drive or right hand drive steering where it didn't
change the feel of it yeah it looks like they build at least copies or something but maybe the
GHPK is a even smaller lighter version of the super sport no like the they're basically taking
s1 alices this is a resto mod company they're they're taking s1 alices and making carbon bodies and
shit like that yeah they take they they restore and modify elite s1 alices is what they're doing
which like cool like I get that but like I 1300 pounds is a little too light for me
I don't need to be quite that light just a little heavier than a motorcycle yeah I don't need to
be quite that light I bet you it's fun I bet you it's cool but it could also be fragile
and getting into an alice is hard enough without the seat being in the fucking middle
if that has a roof on it I can't get in that you know I need to take the top off just to get in it
but okay I get it I think they will probably find a few takers you know well thanks everybody that's
been fun appreciate you we got it we got so I'm going out of town on the road and track
seaside to Sierra the 23rd to the 28th and then we I go straight to performance car the year
from there and then I go straight to Pebble Beach where I play around golf with my dad and then come
home so I'm gone 23rd to the 6th and what I'm saying is we are going to have so much podcasting
in between now the 23rd we're going to know the show tomorrow I don't know what the fuck
and then on Thursday I have a double header with Motoman George Notaris 2pm followed by Nicole
moved from the morning of the afternoon now Nicole Johnson is coming in at 4.30 so I got a double
header in the afternoon Sands Zach yeah that will be awfully interesting and then we have another
show before I leave right yeah one more show before on the weekend yeah on the weekend or Monday yeah
so patrons are going to be getting just punched in the face with podcasts the next five days
but then it's going to be trickled out to everybody else you know over the next two and
half weeks and that's how we have to do it because I have to travel so the Mustang story is going
to be in the next issue of road and track print as is my written zinger 21 it's going to be this
those are going to be both in the same issue so I have to finish both those pieces this week yikes
and we'll have a zinger video soon but first we'll have a Mustang GTD video Thursday the 17th
all right see you later bye
About this episode
A thrilling dive into the latest automotive experiences, featuring a day at the racetrack with the new Mustang GTD, GT3, and Dark Horse models. Matt Farah shares his firsthand impressions of these high-performance vehicles, highlighting their capabilities and nuances. The episode also takes listeners inside the Czinger factory, showcasing cutting-edge 3D printing technology used in car manufacturing and military applications. With a mix of technical insights and personal anecdotes, this episode captures the excitement of driving and the innovation behind modern automotive engineering.
ABS
air conditioning (AC)
air-cooled engine
battery pack
brakes
CarPlay
charge coolers
Chuckwalla Valley Raceway
control arms
cool air to air heat exchanger
Ac Ace
Alpine A110
Aston Martin Valhalla
BMW 3 Series
BMW 5 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW M3
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevrolet Venture
Ferrari F8 Tributo
Fiat 500
Ford F-150
Ford Mustang
Ford Mustang GTD
Jeep Wrangler
Ktm X-Bow
Lamborghini 350 GT
Lamborghini Countach
Mazda MX-5 / Miata
Panoz Esperante
Plymouth GTX
Porsche 911
Porsche Boxster
Shelby Cobra
Shelby GT500
Original notes
Driving the Mustang GTD; we toured the Czinger and Divergent 3D factory; Matt tells us about the great Mustang day of 2025; and we answer a whole lot of Patreon questions including:
- Cars that journos loved but failed to sell?
- Top automotive pilgrimages
- Why do RVs people choose Wranglers?
- E34 BMW: better than E36 or no?
- Prettiest Mustang ever?
- Next US car brand to go under will be...
- Driving a Panoz is like...
- When you shouldn't mess with a Porsche intake
- Best / worst days at work
And more!
Recorded September 15, 2025
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