National Museum of Military Vehicles Founder Dan Starks
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Tales of a GearheadMay 27, 2026
National Museum of Military Vehicles Founder Dan Starks
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World War II Sherman tank
The Sherman tank is a famous World War II tank from the U.S. In this episode, the person bought one that didn’t work anymore—more like a rusting relic than a vehicle you could drive. The point is that it was historically important, even though it wasn’t running.
In this context, “paperweight” means the tank was basically useless—it was too broken to run. The host says it didn’t have the parts you’d need to drive it. So it was more like a heavy object to look at than a working vehicle.
An engine is the part that makes the vehicle move by producing power. The host says this tank didn’t have one, so it couldn’t run. That’s why it was only good for looks at first.
A transmission is what helps power get from the engine to the moving parts. The host says this tank didn’t have one, so it couldn’t drive properly. It’s one of the key parts needed to make a vehicle actually move.
Tracks are the “belt” that a tank uses to grip the ground and move. The host is surprised because tracks are what let a tank travel over rough surfaces. Without tracks, it’s basically stuck.
The Fourth of July parade is a public celebration event for American Independence Day. The host wanted to get the tank running so they could drive it in that parade. It shows the goal was to make it move, not just own it.
The Ford Galaxy 500 is an older Ford “big car” from the muscle-car era. Dan says it was the first car he owned, before he got more interested in military history and vehicles.
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390
“390” is a shorthand for the engine size (how big the engine is) in cubic inches. In this case, it’s the V8 engine that was in his Ford Galaxy 500.
The Ford Bronco is a rugged SUV that’s known for off-road capability. Dan mentions it as one of the cars he remembers from his earlier life, even though he wasn’t really a “car guy” yet.
The Challenger is a type of car (the Dodge Challenger) that’s built for strong acceleration and a sporty, muscular style. In your podcast excerpt, the conversation seems focused on military vehicles, so the word “Challenger” may be coming up because of overlapping names. The exact meaning depends on what the speaker is referring to.
Car
M18 Hellcat
The M18 Hellcat is a military vehicle from World War II. It was built to fight enemy tanks, usually by finding good positions and using a big anti-tank gun. Here, the host is talking about a specific one in the museum’s Battle of the Bulge exhibit.
The Battle of the Bulge was a huge World War II battle where Germany tried to push back the Allies. It happened in late 1944 and early 1945. In this segment, it’s the historical event connected to the M18 Hellcat and the commander’s memories.
The Jeep Commander is a larger SUV made by Jeep. It’s meant to carry people and gear comfortably, and it can be equipped for light off-road driving. In your podcast excerpt, “commander” might be mentioned in a military sense, so the speaker could be using the word in two different ways.
It’s a museum that focuses on military vehicles, like tanks. The host says it’s set up in an interactive way, so it’s more engaging than a typical museum.
Jackson Hole is a popular area in Wyoming. The host is using it as a starting point for a drive to Dubois and warns not to speed on the way.
Concept
predecessor
A “predecessor” just means an earlier version that came before the one people talk about more. Think of it like the earlier model in a family of vehicles. The host is saying the tank he wants is the earlier step before the M3 Stuart.
The BMW M3 is a sports car made by BMW. It’s designed to be faster and handle more aggressively than a regular BMW 3 Series. In your podcast, “M3” may be mentioned because the same label can also be used for military equipment.
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M2A4 light tank
The M2A4 is an older U.S. tank from World War II. The speaker is talking about trying to find one for his collection, but he hasn’t been able to yet.
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Abrams Tank
The Abrams is a big, heavily armored tank used by the U.S. military. The host is saying it’s one of the modern vehicles Dan wants to get for his collection.
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Bradley
The Bradley is a tracked armored vehicle that helps move soldiers and also provides weapons support. The episode mentions it as one of the vehicles Dan wants to add to his collection.
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Striker
The Stryker is a military armored vehicle that uses wheels (not tracks) and is used to move troops and equipment. The host is listing it as a modern vehicle Dan wants to get.
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Hey, Stacey David here with the Tales of the Gearhead podcast.
Now this is a podcast about everything automotive, everything mechanical.
You're going to get advice, you're going to get ideas, you're going to hear guests,
you're going to hear people that are just like you, everything is going to be wrapped
around the automotive lifestyle so we know you're going to love it.
This episode is brought to you by the National Museum of Military Vehicles.
Alright, let's get rolling.
Hey, welcome to Tales of the Gearhead.
Man, do I have a treat for you today?
I've got a special guest here, his name is Dan Starks.
And some of you guys may be thinking, Dan Starks, Dan Starks, I've heard that name before.
Oh, he's Iron Man.
No, no, no, we're not talking about Tony Stark, we're talking about Dan Starks.
Now, Dan is a type of Iron Man because he has 70 tanks in his collection and over 500
military vehicles, but he's not just a collector, he is the main mastermind and the one behind
the National Museum of Military Vehicles.
So he has probably the largest private collection of military vehicles in the world,
definitely in the nation, probably in the world.
So, Dan, welcome to the podcast, man.
Thank you, Stacy, I'm so happy to be here.
Thank you for having me on your program.
Alright, okay, so let's talk tanks.
Okay, so is it even legal for a guy to own a tank?
How did you get into tanks?
Yeah, who knew?
I didn't know a civilian could own a tank.
It was 2011, I got a chance to buy a 30-ton paperweight derelict World War II Sherman
tank for $50,000.
Okay, and when you say paperweight, it wasn't running.
It wasn't, oh, it didn't have an engine, didn't have a transmission.
So it was just for looks.
Didn't have tracks?
Yeah, oh my gosh.
It had been a target on a firing range.
Okay.
And when the firing range shut down, the military left the target out there to just rust apart.
It had a tree growing out of it.
Yeah, but it still cost you $50,000 to get it.
Cost me $50,000.
Yeah, and I said, I didn't know a civilian could own a tank, I'll buy it.
Yeah.
And I wanted to...
Your goal was to get it running, right?
Goals to get it running, to drive it in the local Fourth of July parade.
Okay.
And that was all I was planning to do.
One tank, drive it in the parade to celebrate American independence.
Yeah, but that didn't really work out, did it?
So what happened?
Well, I got to drive a tank in the Fourth of July parade.
So that part did work out several years later.
But what happened is it gave me a little bit of a bug and I ended up buying a few more tanks.
And along the way, people would ask if they could come out to my private ranch and look
at the tanks that I just had in a building that I built that I called my tank barn.
And that ended up evolving into my wife and I deciding, hey, we're onto something.
There's a lot of people that want to know the stories here and let's help them.
Let's tell them the stories.
And that led to our deciding to create a museum in 2016.
We decided to create it.
Now, did you grow up as a car guy, a truck guy?
I mean, did you grow up with vehicles?
I mean, what did you drive?
What kind of background do you have as a car guy?
Well, I had a hot rod in school.
Yeah, you know, I mean, I was more of a toy soldier and toy gun guy than I was a car guy.
But I remember Galaxy 500 was the first car I had, Ford Galaxy 500.
You had 390 in it?
Yeah, so I couldn't even tell you that.
And then along the way, Ford Bronco, you know, back in the 70s, I believe.
So, yeah, I didn't have a lot of car background.
It was mostly the military stuff, wasn't it?
Yeah, it was the history.
Yeah.
Where did that come from?
What got you into that?
You know, I don't know what got me into it.
Toy soldiers, toy guns, imagination, and when I could first check books out of the library,
I would just, I was drawn to books on American military history,
Civil War, Revolutionary War, and that just kind of snowballed.
You know, it was always, and I can't explain where that initial interest came from,
but as I became an adult, my interest came from having friends that were combat veterans
that had an experience I could not imagine and made me want to know more about.
What did they go through?
It made me wonder, how would I have responded if I was in that kind of situation,
which I never was.
It makes you think.
Yeah, yeah.
And then, you know, also along the way here, I got the opportunity to go into private business
and become financially successful.
And so, you know, there's a, you know, beautiful kind of thing.
But while I was making money.
And it was with pharmaceutical.
Yeah, medical devices, devices, yeah.
And while I was making money, other people were keeping me safe,
and they weren't making any money.
The people in military service don't make any money.
And they're keeping me safe, making what I was doing possible.
And so I was interested in giving back, back.
Okay, so you became financially successful.
You became very wealthy.
And you decided that you were going to put together this museum.
Now you're in Dubois, Wyoming, which is a great little town right out of Jackson Hole.
If you haven't been there, first of all, you need to take a vacation to Jackson Hole.
And then just drive down here because you will not believe what this museum is.
I mean, this thing is incredible.
So let's talk about it a little bit.
When you laid this thing out, what was your vision?
What was your goal?
Because you've got vehicles from all types of wars.
You've got running and driving vehicles, correct?
Yeah.
So you have a restoration shop?
Tell me about that.
Yeah, oh yeah.
We've got a 47,500 square foot restoration shop.
We do everything.
We have a machine shop, a welding shop, 20 ton overhead crane,
tank size paint booth, tank size blast booth.
So we fabricate parts, a huge warehouse.
I was going to ask you, where do you get parts?
Yeah, yeah, all around the world.
And I'm a hoarder to me.
I figure when I'm dead.
That's dangerous.
You're a hoarder, you've got money.
I'm a hoarder with money.
Yeah.
And I figure when I'm dead, this museum is going to go on in perpetuity.
And the parts that I can get today won't be available to future generations.
I've got to buy them now.
So we really squirrel away as many parts as I can get my hands on.
It's really wise counsel.
I mean, I wish people would do that more often.
Yeah, especially tracks and engines.
Those are the fungible parts.
Okay, so you've got this shop that you put together,
and you've got how many in the crew?
I mean, how many employees do you have?
Eight people full time.
Eight people in the restoration shop.
Yeah.
And then how about for your staff here at the museum?
About 25 people here at the museum full time.
And some people do wear multiple hats.
They work on my personal property and I've got an apartment building.
We built to have more housing for labor in town.
And so there's some people, but for full time dedicated to the museum, about 25 people.
Yeah.
You know, one of the questions I really wanted to ask you on this,
because you literally have history in your hands.
You've got vehicles in here that saw action.
You saw vehicles in here that had people's bloodshed on them.
So what is that like when you're putting these exhibits together?
There's got to be a sense of responsibility.
Yeah, there's a reverence.
There's a reverence.
And the most fascinating parts of my collection are the items where I know the combat history.
Oh my God.
And that's rare.
You know, it's rare to know the combat history,
but we've got an M18 Hellcat.
I've got an M18 Hellcat, for example, in our Battle of the Bulge display.
I have a DVD of the American who was the commander of that particular unit.
He came to a World War II open house, identified that M18 Hellcat as that was mine.
There was a part that was placed in their backward.
And sure enough, that part is placed in their backward.
And all of this is on DVD that came to me along with that M18 Hellcat.
And he was in his eighties.
He had his wife, he had his kids, grandkids.
And he climbed up into that M18 Hellcat like he's 20 years old again
and went bombing around the parking lot like he was back in the day.
And then he opened up and started talking about his World War II combat experience
in the Battle of the Bulge.
His wife said to the collector, he has never talked about this before.
Oh my God.
And so that kind of experience.
There's a lot of different ways to have that experience become real.
That kind of experience is what our museum is all about.
And that's what my collection is all about.
Yeah.
You know, one of the things that is unique about this museum,
I've been to museums all around the world.
And I've seen some really nice ones.
And honestly, I've never seen anything like this.
Because not only do you have the vehicles restored and in positions
with mannequins and the right things, you set the tone.
But you have interactive stuff like that.
Vietnam thing is totally interactive about what it was like in the jungles.
Tell me how you came up with this.
Because this is all your design, right?
Yeah, it's my vision.
It's my concept.
It's my deciding which stories to tell.
But then it's a pretty good size team that ends up bringing all of the details together
and add things like lighting and artistic dimensions and audio
that wouldn't be something I'd be very good at.
So it's really a team that is responsible for what you see when you come here.
But what I decided at the starting point was, I want this to be immersive.
I don't want a dry.
I wasn't working to create a museum.
I was working to create an experience.
I was working to create an experience that would really motivate people
to better honor our service and sacrifice of our veterans and their families.
And I wanted to create something that younger Americans would really be grabbed by
to be fascinated, to then be better educated on key lessons learned the hard way
in American military history that we're not teaching in schools anymore.
So to do all of that, it's like this needs to be an experience.
That's the feedback that I get from people is, you know, this isn't really a museum.
I mean, yeah, it's a museum, but it's really an experience.
And so it's the lights, it's audio, it's animation, it's computer interaction,
it's elaborate sets, oral histories.
And on Vietnam, that's where I pulled out the stops.
So you notice in the World War II Gallery, there's a level of immersion.
We increase it a little bit in the Korean War Gallery,
but on the Vietnam War Gallery, that was the gallery that was most important to me.
And so that's where I pulled out the stops.
I put more resources into the each square foot display.
Now, why was that so important to you?
Why about the Vietnam era?
Because that's a very special era to me too.
I was a kid when those guys were coming home.
Me too.
Yeah.
So partly because we've got a lot of Vietnam veterans still alive.
So, you know, we could occasionally get a World War II or Korean War veteran,
but every day we've got Vietnam veterans here in their 70s or 80s.
And they're still not recognized.
And they're still not recognized.
No, but it's like, okay.
And it's because veterans are here and there are immediate families here,
it's like the stakes are higher to get this right.
And I wanted to create something so that a Vietnam veteran who hasn't ever talked about it,
but is coming through with a spouse or coming through with kids or grandkids,
might open up and might see things that would spark and be meaningful to them.
And, you know, what I know about the Vietnam veterans
or what makes Vietnam veterans important to me,
and we're really, again, pulling out the stops here
for National Vietnam Veterans Day just, you know, later this week here,
when people know anything about the Vietnam
where they often have the wrong information.
And most Americans have really, younger Americans have no information.
And they're not learning about it in school.
And so, you know, if I was a Vietnam veteran in my 70s or 80s,
and I was in combat on behalf of the United States in my prime,
and then I carried that burden with me, visible and invisible scars from that experience.
And then in my 70s and 80s, find out, well, what I did at great sacrifice
isn't even important enough to teach in school.
But that's the hidden message.
And so it's like, well, that's wrong.
And so we're going to teach it here.
And I want every Vietnam veteran, when they come through here,
and they're maybe thinking, you know, what I did was it worth it?
And does anybody care?
Is anybody ever...
Nobody understands.
I want them to know your stories, your valor, and your sacrifice
are remembered, honored, and passed along every single day
to everyone who visits this museum.
And when you're dead and when I'm dead,
and all of us who are in the museum today are dead,
your Vietnam veteran stories, valor, and sacrifice,
they're still going to be passed along and honored every single day.
And so that's the importance here of the Vietnam gallery is,
you know, lots of different levels.
Yeah, that is so awesome.
That is so awesome.
You know, one of the cool things about doing a show called Gears
is that I get to see a lot of really cool stuff
that the average people don't get access to.
Collections and prototype stuff, and special fab shops,
and all that kind of thing.
So when I had a chance to go to the National Museum
of Military Vehicles, obviously being a huge military supporter,
you know, I was like, oh, this is going to be cool.
This is going to be like a museum.
Guys, it's nothing like a museum I've ever been to.
This is like an interactive thing.
This is set up better than the Smithsonian Institute.
And I kid you not, you have to experience this place
to know what I'm talking about.
Even if you're not into military stuff,
if you don't understand it, if you don't even care about it,
you still need to go.
You will come away with a completely different understanding
of the different conflicts throughout the decades
and throughout the years of our nation.
And just the way it's set up is amazing.
You see vehicles, it's interactive.
It's not your grandpa's museum.
I'll tell you that.
There's tanks.
They've got like 70 tanks there and everything runs.
Everything's cool.
So if you get a chance to put together a vacation for the family,
check out the National Museum of Military Vehicles.
It's in Dubois, Wyoming, small place right out of Jackson Hole.
But do not speed from Jackson Hole to Dubois
because they will nail you.
I know that firsthand.
You know, let's talk about something else too that you're really into.
I know that you're involved with helping current veterans
get back on their feet.
And let's talk about that a little bit because that's a big thing.
You know, I've got a lot of friends and stuff that are coming back
from Iraq and these things like that.
And they're, you know, they're trying to get back into life
and they're injured and there's not a lot of ways to help them.
So you've got some things that you're doing here with veterans.
Talk about that a little bit.
One of the realities is veterans have a particularly high suicide rate per capita.
It's terrible.
Yeah, yeah.
And I think in the state of Wyoming here where I am,
I think just a couple of years ago,
we had the highest veteran suicide rate per capita in the entire country.
And these are young guys.
Young guys and young guys who served.
And so what is a person becomes a little more familiar with it.
There are typical dynamics.
People come from the military environment where they have a purpose.
They know exactly why they're getting out of bed every day.
And they've got a lot of support, connection.
They get a lot of feedback about that purpose and about the value of that purpose.
And it's like, boy, can you imagine coming from something where everything is just very
meaningful and you don't have any questions about what do I do next?
And all of a sudden you're out of that environment,
you're into a civilian environment, and you're in a civilian environment where
only 6.1% of the entire American population are veterans.
So most of us are not.
And when you come back, you're with people who don't have any idea what you went through
and maybe they don't care.
Yeah, and not only that, they don't know about it.
A lot of them, because of the movies and the media and the things that you see,
people disagree with that or don't like it.
So if you come in, you don't want to tell people you're a veteran,
because half the people say, well, what are you doing that for?
They're very anti-military.
And it's a very difficult thing.
So I see why a lot of these guys are like, screw you guys.
And we've got to stop that.
We've got to stop that.
And a critical thing is for veterans who return to civilian life to find a new purpose.
That's a critical thing.
And so many veterans really struggle finding a new purpose.
It means to them what their purpose in the military meant to them.
And then not only do they struggle with a purpose, but then they're isolated.
So isolation and lack of purpose is a bad start.
Absolutely.
We push a lot of them into working on cars.
They naturally go into that.
That's cool.
And I know you do stuff with horses, don't you have something?
Equine therapy.
So we have a wilderness healing project is what we call it.
And our goal is to help as many veterans and veterans families and also some active military
heal.
Yeah.
Get about on some horses.
Yeah, get them on.
Well, yeah.
So, well, you know, so we love it.
Yeah.
Getting them into the wilderness, getting them into the Rocky Mountains
and having any outdoor experience can be very therapeutic.
The equine therapy is a little more focused, structured where it's the interaction with
the horse.
And the horses are completely honest.
You know, they give you feedback.
They're not being polite or politically correct.
They're a mirror for how you're behaving.
And so, and they're very receptive to establishing a connection and the value of
establishing a connection with a horse can be immense, particularly for post-traumatic stress.
Survivors, yeah.
Okay.
So when people come out here and they come to the museum and they support the museum,
they're actually supporting those charities and those programs as well.
So it's definitely worth something doing.
It's money, not just going money into your pocket.
I don't get any money in my pocket.
So the museum runs at a meaningful loss.
In 2025, our cash loss was $1.9 million.
So not only did no money go into my pocket, but I put another $1.9 million into subsidizing the
museum.
And let's talk about that a little bit.
I know that, you know, it's not necessarily something that you say much, but I want people
to understand this.
How much of your personal money do you have invested in this museum?
So I have over $100 million of my personal funds invested in the museum itself and about
another $50 million invested into supporting activities here locally.
Okay, hold on a minute.
Did you guys hear that number?
$150 million.
Now, you could have taken that money and done anything you could have built yourself.
What would you say before?
Well, the way I think about it, and I'll say it from time to time is, well,
I've been fortunate to make a lot of money.
What am I going to do with it?
Well, a lot of people make big mansions, build big mansions.
Other people, you know, buy huge lots.
I could have done either of these, those things.
I also point out I could also have supported a very high quality drug habit with my financial
capability, but instead of doing any of those things, I decided to honor the service and
sacrifice of our veterans and their families and to fill in the gaps that the public school
system leaves in educating Americans about key lessons learned the hard way, about what it takes
to keep the United States free and to maintain this freedom for ourselves and our future generations.
And that is fantastic.
There is not a more noble use of money than that.
It's just, it's fantastic.
I think it's great.
And let me ask you this.
You know, we talked about the responsibility of that.
How do you feel, you know, when you see this thing go together and you see that
you're kind of passing history down and how important is it that you keep it accurate?
Well, it's really important to keep it accurate.
So credibility is above all.
And the, and so in parts of the museum, the story that we're telling is things that the
United States did poorly, like taking 120,000 innocent Americans and putting them in prison
camps because they were of Japanese descent.
So I mean, I, yeah, yeah, that's the holocaust is in here.
Is that that's in here?
Yeah, credibility.
If we don't have the credibility, then it doesn't matter what we got right.
People won't believe it or they won't know whether to believe it.
So we got to have the credibility.
And the, you know, the, to me, the, the feedback I get from people coming through
makes this entirely worthwhile and gratifying to me.
The, you know, one of the, you know, we, we ask people to share their thoughts as they're
toward their end of the visit.
And one of the index cards, a person said that this was the most emotional experience
she had had since she visited Auschwitz.
And it's kind of like, oh, but the, you know, we see this feedback on a regular
basis, you know, you get in reviews and get it in the one on one, just the discussions.
People say that everybody ought to have to come here.
Kids ought to have to come here in order to graduate from high school.
Yeah.
You know, and politicians, you know, they want to know how many politicians come here
because they need to know this, they need to know this.
And I mean, so that, you know, the, the, the validation that the, the messages we are
providing and the way that we've formulated those messages and made them easy to take in
is, is something that is just very gratifying.
Okay. So you got all these vehicles here.
What vehicle do you still wish you could have?
What are you still looking for?
Well, what would you like to have?
You got MiGs out here and you've got airplanes, you got all kinds of stuff.
What are you still looking for?
Modern stuff.
So I've got, there's one World War II
vehicle I envy that I don't have.
And that is the predecessor to the M3 Stuart light tank.
It's the M2A4 light tank.
I know there's one over in the Solomon's on Guadalcanal
that I'd like to get my hands on, but I haven't been able to get my hands on it.
And so that's, World War II, that's the only thing that comes to mind.
And World War II, Korean War, Vietnam War, I'm covered.
The, but modern stuff that's still being used.
I don't have access to yet.
So Abrams Tank, Bradley, Striker, things like that.
So that's where my, that's where my collection will expand in the future.
So if any of you guys out there listening, any military guys,
if you have some of that army surplus stuff sitting around there,
get hold of Dan.
He's looking for some stuff.
Matter of fact, get hold of me too.
I'd like to have a Bradley.
Dan, it's been awesome, man.
You're welcome on the podcast anytime.
It's been a pleasure.
Thank you. It's my pleasure.
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About this episode
Dan Starks, founder of the National Museum of Military Vehicles in Dubois, Wyoming, shares how his passion for military history turned into a hands-on restoration mission. He recalls buying a derelict WWII Sherman tank in 2011 and explains why the museum’s credibility, immersive storytelling, and in-house fabrication matter—especially for Vietnam veterans and their families. The museum runs on major personal investment, with a restoration shop built for tracks, engines, and parts preservation, plus multimedia exhibits designed to feel alive.
Stacey is on the road this week, traveling all the way out to DuBois, Wyoming to sit down with Dan Starks, the founder of the National Museum of Military Vehicles. The museum is a massive 160,000 sq/ft facility that houses over 500 military vehicles, weapons, and other artifacts used in this nation's conflicts going all the way back to the Revolutionary War up to Iraq and Afghanistan. Stacey and Dan discuss Dan's passion for celebrating the veterans and their sacrifices for the country, Dan investing over ONE HUNDRED MILLION dollars of his own money to bring the museum to life, and his veterans outreach programs like The Wilderness Healing Project.
