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Chevrolet Camaro
The Camaro is a sporty car made by Chevrolet. It’s usually built for performance and comes as a coupe or convertible. The podcast mentions it because there are rumors about what new versions might be coming.
Concept
green lighting
“Green lighting” means giving approval to start a project. They’re basically saying it might not be the best time to approve a new sedan plan.
Brand
Buick
Buick is a car brand from General Motors (GM). They’re talking about Buick needing to sell more cars and making sure their factories can produce enough.
Term
stability control
Stability control is a safety feature that helps the car stay pointed in the right direction. If the car starts to slide, it can automatically brake individual wheels to help correct it.
Brand
Genesis
Genesis is a luxury car brand from Hyundai. They’re bringing it up because the conversation is about safety tech and how it can be advertised.
Car
Buick Envision
The Buick Envision is a small luxury SUV. They’re talking about it as an example of the kind of SUV Buick is selling.
Brand
GM
GM is the big automaker that makes brands like Chevrolet and Cadillac. The speaker is saying they’re excited GM is doing this, but they’re also skeptical about how well GM will execute it.
Concept
EV
EV means the car will run on electricity from a battery. That usually changes the whole layout compared to older gas-powered versions.
Term
D-pillar
The D-pillar is the metal post behind the rear door. Changing its angle is a styling trick that changes the car’s overall shape.
Concept
recycling a nameplate
This is when a company reuses an old car name on a new car. The goal is to make people trust it more because the name already has a reputation.
Term
700 horsepower
Horsepower is how much power the engine can make. 700 horsepower is extremely high and usually means the vehicle is meant to feel very fast.
Term
manual sports sedan
They’re talking about a sporty sedan that you can drive with a manual transmission. Manuals are becoming uncommon, so it’s a big deal for people who like to shift gears themselves.
Term
600 horsepower
They’re talking about a second, slightly less powerful version—still very fast—coming out earlier than the biggest number.
Term
undercut
To “undercut” means you charge less than the other option. The idea is that some people will switch just because the price is better.
Concept
R&D
R&D just means the work a company does to design and test a new car. Making a small change to an existing car is typically cheaper and quicker than building something brand-new.
Term
manual transmission
A manual transmission is the type of car where you shift gears yourself using a clutch. It’s often seen as more engaging for driving enthusiasts.
Concept
powertrain
A powertrain is the “go” system of the car—engine and the parts that send power to the wheels. Reusing it can make new models cheaper to develop.
Brand
Lucid
Lucid is a company that makes electric cars. In this segment, they’re mentioned as part of a marketing-style joke about the kind of person who drives certain EVs.
Car
Hyundai Tucson
The Hyundai Tucson is a popular, everyday Hyundai crossover. They mention it to compare it to the Boulder and explain where Hyundai’s lineup fits.
Car
Hyundai Santa Fe
The Hyundai Santa Fe is a bigger Hyundai SUV/crossover than the Tucson. They bring it up as another example of Hyundai’s normal lineup.
Term
front grille
The front grille is the front “mesh” area of a car. It’s both functional for cooling and also part of the car’s face, so changing how it looks can make the whole vehicle seem different.
Concept
concept cars
Concept cars are prototypes built to showcase new design directions, technologies, and brand visions—sometimes with little direct connection to near-term production. The speakers are excited that concept-car “big swings” are returning, implying more daring styling decisions are likely to reach real vehicles.
Concept
body on frame
Body-on-frame means the car’s body sits on a separate metal frame underneath. This is often used on trucks and some big SUVs because it can be stronger for towing and rough roads.
Concept
New York Auto Show
This is a big car event in New York where companies show off new cars and concept designs. People often see the cars in photos first, but the speaker is saying it’s better to see them in person. It helps explain why they’re encouraging you to look it up.
Brand
Honda
Honda is one of the big car brands. Here, they’re being talked about as a company that pays attention to what customers want.
Brand
Jaguar
Jaguar is the luxury car brand being discussed. They’re saying Jaguar is still going to offer more gas-powered cars instead of going fully EV right away.
Brand
Porsche
Porsche is being used as an example of a major brand that’s also dealing with the EV decision. Even a brand like Porsche isn’t immune to changing plans.
Concept
EVs only
“EVs only” means they’re planning to make only electric cars going forward. They won’t be selling gas or hybrid cars anymore.
Company
Tata Motors
Tata Motors is a big car company from India. The discussion is basically saying that ownership can change hands, and that can affect how a brand is marketed and sold.
Concept
hot potato
“Hot potato” just means a problem that’s hard to deal with. The speaker is saying the ownership situation is basically being handed off to someone else.
Term
steering wheel
The steering wheel is what you hold to steer the car. Newer cars sometimes put lots of controls on it, and the hosts are judging how that particular design looks.
Car
1931 Indian 101B Scout
This is a very old Indian motorcycle from 1931 called the 101B Scout. The speaker is saying their grandfather has owned it for decades, and it’s well-regarded among motorcycle enthusiasts who care about pre-war bikes.
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Hello, and welcome to this car pod.
I'm Kenan. I'm Fulipo.
I'm Nick, filling in for Doug, who is gallivanting over the East Coast.
Yeah, although he did leave that behind us.
Yes, unfortunately. Nice treat of him.
All right, should we dive into the news?
Let's dive into the news.
We've got a lot to cover.
Okay, this is a Buick concept car.
I'm not making this up.
That's truly what it is.
But there's a reason it's the first story today,
which is there is a rumor from a GM supplier,
and pretty verified rumor that the Camaro,
a new CT5, and a new Buick sedan are going to start production
in September of 2027.
Wow.
Which is soon.
No, that's really soon for there to be three cars
that we have not seen.
We haven't seen leaks really of what the new Camaro will look like,
of what the new CT5 will look like,
of what a new Buick sedan could look like.
But if there's one thing we're certain of,
it ain't going to look like this.
This looks, how would you describe this, Kenan?
I like it a lot.
What direction?
It was the EB 210, that sedan that they did
when the one turns into production.
That's what it reminds me of.
And there's kind of a hint of Ferrari Daytona up front.
I actually like the way it looks.
But the reality of it is, if they're smart,
they're not going to do this,
because Cadillac is clearly proving there is no market
for a luxury sedan that costs a fortune.
I've seen two Celestics in the wild,
which I'm really shocked by.
Have you seen a Celestic?
One in Scottsdale and one around here.
Wow.
The one around here, that's without dealer tags.
They're like actual customers.
It was like somewhere East County.
It was kind of strange.
That's a bit of a problem.
Yeah.
I think green lighting at any sedan right now
is a bit of a questionable move.
I agree, but Buick needs cars.
And my understanding is that they need to build more cars
at that factory to make it make sense financially.
And so adding a third model on the same track.
Here's what I would do.
What does that?
Come back to Buick, Tiger Woods.
They both rehabilitate their image at the same time.
But he's going to crash it again.
They'll do, they can use that to advertise their stability control.
It did work for Genesis, anti-rollover.
Tiger Woods crashing at Genesis GV80.
Yeah.
Surely helped.
Bring back Firestone tires on it.
You can just go all in.
Just own it.
We don't roll over.
We don't roll over.
We don't roll over comma anymore.
That's the new tech life.
That thing looks cool.
It looks to me more like a concept car from the 90s.
It does.
You know what I mean?
Like it's so futuristic, it looks retro.
Even the background they chose is very 90s futuristic.
The last Buick sedan was the Regal,
which was discontinued after 2020.
So this would be a return to sedan for Buick,
which currently sells a few SUVs.
But all we know so far is that it's almost certainly
an updated version of the Alpha platform,
which is what the CT4, CT5, some other GM products are on.
There's a decent chance there'll be a V8 for some versions
of the CT5 or the Camaro.
You have invested heavily in the V8 plant recently.
And that's all we know.
But it's exciting that there'll be three new cars, cars,
not SUVs, cars, cars.
And the Camaro certainly will be a performance car.
The Camaro's the more interesting one.
It's been dead since 2024 model year or so.
Yeah.
That's nice.
That's great.
How do you save Buick in the US, though?
I mean, their core market is not the United States.
Buick isn't dead.
It's pretty dead.
The Buick Envision is one of the SUVs.
Every time I see one, I think, wow,
there's a BYD going by.
I mean, it doesn't even look like it's meant for our market.
But all the Buick, what?
Doesn't matter.
That little Buick SUV looks so Chinese.
That's the Invista.
OK.
Which is a car.
By the way, if you want a CD4 Cadillac or a CD4 V,
you got to get your orders in this month.
Order books are closed.
Closing.
Wow.
So end of the era.
But CD5 will be replaced.
That's good.
I hope they do a blackwing version of it.
Continue to do that.
And give it a manual just like the last one.
I am excited that they're making truly three new generations
or generations for three new models
that are clearly internal combustion engine,
rear-wheel-drive platform.
That's cool.
It's very exciting that GM is doing this.
I'm sure their execution on it will be poor as usual.
But I am excited to see them do it.
We love the CD5.
The CD5 V blackwing is my favorite
master's modern car.
We love the Camaro.
The last one was great.
At the end, it was really good.
Yeah.
011LE.
Yeah, it's just the only one I've ever heard of.
It's just true.
Just go straight to the top.
Go straight to the top.
But nonetheless, it is exciting.
We'll see what these cars end up looking like.
Oh, Freelander.
This must be Nick.
This is the one I'm excited for.
So you may remember the LR2 or even the Freelander
from a long time ago in Land Rover's lineup.
It was their compact sort of sporty two-door actually
and a lot of variants and sort of a drop top one too.
But it's coming back.
Yeah, there was.
Yeah.
Well, it's kind of like my L405, which we'll get to later.
This is a little questionable of a roof.
However, the Freelander is coming back.
It's a joint venture with Geely.
It's going to be made in China,
which means it's almost certainly not coming to the U.S.
Tariff Salon would make that unpopulatable.
But it's really cool.
I like the design language.
It reminds me a little bit of a shrunken defender,
like very boxy, very muscular.
It's going to be EV.
And it's probably going to be sold in Europe
and other places too, but start as a Chinese vehicle.
I should note, it's actually with Cherry,
not Geely, but it's okay.
It's a different Chinese automaker that's quite large
and successful too.
It was designed in England,
but do you have any idea how large this is?
The Freelander was small.
It was their smallest product.
This is over 200 inches long,
which is like Sequoia-sized, I guess.
That is L405.
But if you're making it for the Chinese market,
they want longer cars generally.
It is longer than an L405 Range Rover.
Wow.
It might be longer than a new Range Rover.
Who cares?
Yeah.
It's a weird product.
It is an odd product.
I guess it makes sense.
I don't know.
They're bringing back cool styling.
The D-pillar is at an angle,
like it was in the original Freelander, two doors.
It's cool.
The Chinese manufacturers are trying hard for credibility,
so you're recycling a nameplate
that honestly wasn't that great of a nameplate,
but it was a nameplate that has got some history
and some credibility.
It feels Land Rover, but it doesn't say Land Rover anywhere.
Technically, the Freelander is its own brand.
That's right.
So I think it's an interesting play for them
to get some credibility as an off-roader
without actually using any of Land Rover outright.
I would like to note that their press releases
that 200 designers worked on this in England.
Because every great car was about 200 of them.
It's a clear marker of success.
Well, if one is good, two is better,
and 200 is 100 times as good.
Right.
I think I heard Gordon Murray say something like that once.
That is an interesting vehicle.
I am glad to see boxy SUVs.
It's clear that they've...
Electric, obviously.
Still.
Moving on to the next new story.
Not electric.
Also on the ridiculous category, though,
Infinity wants to make an Escalade V competitor
700 horsepower, hopefully not in purple.
Oh, I think purple.
Those wheels.
With the wheels, for sure.
It's funny, because Doug reviewed that Nesamo, whatever,
and it came out really questionable
in terms of how it came out.
But then the Escalade V looks really cool.
So will Infinity get this ride is a big question mark.
I think what's interesting is that Infinity is still out there.
We've all basically written them off and saying,
why don't you just give up at this point?
And they're saying, no, we're going to do an Escalade V competitor.
They also said we want to do a manual sports sedan.
That is cool.
Which brings me back to the G37 days.
So it's like maybe Infinity's not given up,
but they're going enthusiast.
I think they've seen the demand on the QX80 and Armada,
which is the Nissan version,
clearly they've seen the demand for Sporty 1.
They've made clear that there will be multiple performance variants.
There's already the Armada Nismo, which is mostly cosmetic.
But they've said in that interview that they're going to aim
for 700 horsepower for a version of it.
There may also be a 600 horsepower version that comes out sooner.
They've seen the demand for the Escalade V, which is strong,
and think, okay, we can capture some of that market.
Yeah, but that's a Cadillac and it's got an unbelievable V8 engine.
You don't like the 5.6 liter, which is what I assume they'll put in this
because it's the only V8 they have.
Right, it's because the only V8 they have and it's old.
Which they've had from forever.
Right, exactly.
I mean, that's been through how many different presidential terms
that thing has existed.
What is that engine called?
I don't remember.
I can't remember the engine code.
But the Cadillac is attractive because it makes ungodly power
and the Escalade is always amazing.
The Escalade is so nice.
So is this.
Have you been in one?
They're nice.
It is, but like...
The newest generation is truly nice.
Yeah, but how do they sell?
A little over the top, you know?
Yeah.
Exactly.
And I don't think this is going to solve their problem necessarily.
No, but while they're doing it,
they clearly can't just go after regular people
because they aren't buying their cars.
And Escalade V is selling for 168 grand.
So all Infinity needs to do is undercut them by like 20, 30 grand.
And you're going to get some people that are like,
do we really need the Cadillac?
Yep.
Power sells, it turns out.
Yeah, I'm skeptical here.
Manual sports sedan will be cool.
Of course it would be cool.
People do have to buy it, but it would be cool.
That's my fear is that like you can build it, you know,
if you build it, they will come.
I'm not entirely sure if like people are going to...
You have to assume they just said,
we've already developed the car.
The cost of coming out with the new trim model is like fairly...
It's a lot easier to R&D that than a net new vehicle.
So let's just kind of iterate.
Although the sports sedan is again a weird move.
That's weird because the development cost of that...
No, but they can use it from the Nissan Z.
So you can picture a Nissan Z,
which has 400 horsepower-ish manual transmission.
Just add some doors.
Put that powertrain and use that in the development of a sedan.
I guess.
Nissan and Infiniti are definitely going for what,
how can they get the most new product variants out
affordably, but in a way that gets news.
And a 700 horsepower SUV does that,
a manual sports sedan does that for enthusiasts
and they're both easy to develop for them,
given what they have.
Now, will they be good?
Well, will that save them?
I'm not confident about that.
They just need products.
And Nissan is also way more willing to work with you
on your financial terms that they are
and give you some really great loans
that last your lifetime.
You know what this is?
This is the birth new takeover vehicles.
We're seeing...
This is more like the takeover mom
that now needs to settle down a little bit,
and she's like,
I can't afford the Escalade V,
but I still want people to know a Medji.
I think Lucid had that mom
in their personal graphic studies.
It was like the rugged mom or whatever.
Good callback.
Yeah, well done.
I think about that a lot.
You're the only one.
Yeah.
Oh, very good.
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Oh, a Foxy SUV?
Yeah, this is the Hyundai Boulder.
That looks really cool.
You know, Hyundai has obviously
the Tucson and the Santa Fe,
and it's the only reasonable
that they just move north a little bit.
Nice.
Thank you.
It's a Foxy off-road focused SUV
concept that they had at the
New York Auto Show.
We already know that Hyundai
was going to move a little bit
that direction, right?
They want to go after the
American off-road segment,
the American truck segment.
All inclination is that
their first off-road product
will actually be a pickup truck,
not really a SUV thing.
There's clear steps
that they've been taking
towards the pickup truck
to replace the Santa Cruz,
which is not really a pickup truck.
I mean, it is.
I mean, but it isn't.
It's not Tucson.
Yeah.
But it's exciting
that they're going that direction,
and clearly they're going
after a specific market,
because here is a line
from their press release
that is truly incredible.
I love deep cuts
from Filippo and press releases.
This is a design concept built
on American values and American life
tailor-made for those looking
to blaze new trails.
American values.
With security and purpose.
And they make a big deal
that it's designed in America,
developed for America.
It will be built in America.
And forged with Hyundai-produced U.S. steel.
Do they put like a screamy eagle sound here?
I have to imagine
that the entire grill
will be able to be an American fire.
They just haven't finished development yet.
Hell yeah.
Maybe that's a loop
with tariffs they'll have.
If you have like a screaming chicken on the hood,
they'll be built in America.
You're good.
They'll be built in America,
as a lot of Hyundai products are.
It'll be their first body-on-frame platform.
I was going to ask you
about this body-on-frame.
Well, sort of.
Sort of.
You may recall the Kyobarago,
which I believe was body-on-frame.
For like one year?
Sold briefly in the U.S.
but it was sold longer outside.
That's right.
So they did have a truck,
but this will be their first
like true off-road or large tires.
What are you taking?
Put money aside.
That or a Bronco.
Which one would you rather be driving
and seeing in?
I think it depends on
what it actually looks like ultimately.
We're away the way.
Assuming that it's a watered-down version of this.
I'm into the Bronco generally.
I have a Bronco Sasquatch pack.
It's cool.
There's going to be a hybrid Bronco, by the way.
We're not talking about that today.
That story got killed.
There will be a hybrid Bronco.
Producer Sean killed it.
No, I actually killed it in my head.
Thank you.
Conspiracy.
And I do love hybrids.
Hence my love for the Wrangler 4 by you.
Yeah, I think I'd still rather be
seen in a Bronco ultimately.
But if the price point is right
and they do build this,
I think it's commendable.
This is what the market wants.
The first one to come out
will be a mid-sized pickup truck,
which is also the Ranger
and the Colorado and the Canyon.
Sell it in OK numbers,
but there's clearly the man
for that kind of pickup truck,
and it's a good direction for Hyundai.
If you cover the front grille,
it reminds me of the Resvani tank.
A little bit, I do see it.
Especially this rear.
Yeah, the rear haunch.
Yeah.
It's cool.
By the way, if you want to see,
Doug a few months ago did a deep dive
on a model that he had,
the static Hyundai...
Sean.
Creator.
He did something with the Hyundai Crater.
He did a full deep dive.
And that was also kind of like a tease of this.
Like a futuristic off-roader,
some influence here from that concept too.
I am pumped at the idea of like concept cars
and big swings are coming back.
Like for a while we got so iterative
and cautious and safe
and everyone was just like,
here's my bland EV.
And now all of a sudden
we're getting body on frame from Hyundai
and we're getting whatever that Buick thing was.
Yeah.
Escalade V competitors.
I do worry that these are all like
AI hallucinations.
They absolutely are.
Our product planners just like,
hey, tell me what I should make.
And then they're like,
okay, and I'll make a rendering
and do a press release.
I don't think this is a picture of a model.
It doesn't exist in the real world.
Yeah.
No, there was one at the New York Auto Show.
There was.
Yeah, there was one there.
Okay, so it actually...
But with 3D printing,
I imagine you can make a one-off,
a little easier as long as you don't have to look inside
and it doesn't have to run.
But still, it's exciting.
Like we're getting back to like a heyday
of not quite coach building,
but like at least we're trying again.
Can you just Google the Hyundai Bulder
at the New York Auto Show?
It looks cooler in person.
Maybe it looks like less insane in person
is really what I mean.
Sure, you can know where I am from today.
I don't think Google know where we are.
Don't worry, they can't find us in the bunker.
Any of these pictures that are better lit.
Like it's like a cool-looking four-door thing.
It looks realistic-ish too.
Is there a rear door?
Yeah.
I guess there is, yeah.
It's like an RSA.
Well, kind of.
Yeah, those are sweet.
That's tight.
Or cool.
Oh, the whole fender moves.
The rear end was designed by Nakisan of RWB fame.
That name might be wrong,
much like my whole cherry geely incident earlier,
but you know what I mean.
It's cool though.
King of accurate adjacency.
That's what you guys are here for.
You're supposed to have the facts.
And we do.
And I'm just here.
I think that does look cool.
I really hope they build this.
I think if it looks anything like that,
I think it could do well.
It's a big bet for them,
but given how off-road focused the new Telluride looks,
it's not actually, but given how brawny it looks,
this is the right direction.
Yep.
Which other manufacturers would be doing this?
I think they're listening.
Everybody is.
Not everybody.
Honda still doesn't.
The passport trail sport is selling well.
Honda's arguably listening.
This is all just a message straight to Honda.
This is the single cherry.
This is the signal.
They're not.
They're listening,
and that's why they put a recovery hook on it.
All right.
Rugged.
We hear you.
Got it.
All of their PR was the passport trail sport
hanging from the recovery hook.
Truth it.
All right.
Ah, Jaguar.
So Jaguar,
recently we have seen a lot of manufacturers
start to question the move going to EV
and start to roll out more gasoline models.
We've seen this with Porsche and a whole bunch of others.
And Jaguar recently said that they,
nope, they have decided even after their little break
to go skiing in Switzerland and take some time
off to find themselves,
they're going to stick with EVs only.
I don't think they have a choice.
I don't think they do either,
but it was interesting.
I read through this entire interview with their,
like their director of marketing or managing director,
and he said that they're looking back for the last five
or six years.
The Jaguar business model wasn't working,
that it wasn't profitable,
wasn't growing and the customer race was aging.
So their solution was to just stop making products
altogether.
It's a better solution.
Is it?
Yeah.
I don't think so.
I think they should have maybe,
they should have phased everything out and done this,
but like, I don't know,
but he made it,
it was interesting to read through in addition to saying,
they're definitely going to stick with EV only.
It's that like,
there were clear regrets about the marketing campaign
they chose to announce all this.
They were happy that everybody was talking about Jaguar,
but they said,
quote, we lost control of the narrative quickly.
It's like, boy, did you,
maybe you should have,
I don't know, product,
just tested it with any audience.
And you would know it was going to happen.
And then they were,
he was even asked like,
was the color pink,
the right color chosen for the consequence?
He said, you know,
we were going to Miami,
so we figured pink, why not?
That was basically the answer he gave.
My fear was,
so like,
I'm not against them going,
like building some radical,
taking in a different direction.
I think that it's still destined for failure
if they're going to do EV only.
But you're the person
that's most against change that I know.
I know, but like,
the market clearly agrees with me here.
A lot of manufacturers.
Well, we don't know yet for the record.
I think the issue that they have is
they had very aging product lines
that they killed.
Sure.
They put all their effort in developing this.
They can't go back to ICE.
Realistically,
internal combustion engine,
that is not,
we're just a customer enforcement.
They had no choice but to move forward with this.
Are you worried though,
or do you think that they're worried about this
press image where they have their,
their new concept car,
which is very upright and tall
and constrained next to J-Sig?
Some old Jag,
which is beautiful and stately.
Do you think they should have done that?
No, I think actually,
I actually think the looks comparison
is not that crazy, to be honest.
It's like both have very high roofs,
both very long.
The new one has a high roof only
because the sides are...
From windshield back.
I mean, that,
it looks related.
I see what they're going.
And that two cars are often similar looking.
I do think it looks better in camouflage.
Like that was a good choice.
Honestly, that is cool looking.
Yes.
It helps.
I don't know.
I'm just so nervous about that.
I was thinking about Jaguar recently.
It's like, I...
You were the only one.
I really want them to succeed.
Like I want to see them do it.
I was thinking about brands that are undervalued,
because last week I talked with Ryan and you about like,
I think Aston Martin,
like I don't understand why some of their cars
are undervalued compared to other cars.
Like the vanquish I'm staring at right now
versus the 575,
it's like, I think I might prefer to have the Aston.
It sounds better.
And I think that it's like,
it does the GT thing better.
The both transmissions stink on both cars.
Tenon, hot take.
Yeah, especially Mr. Ferrari.
Yeah.
I mean, I do love the 575,
but I'd rather have a 550 than both of them.
And I agree the vanquish is, it's special.
It's beautiful.
Yeah.
It doesn't...
It's less than half of the 575.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
But my point is like,
I really want Jaguar to figure this out.
It's like, I think they have real concerns
about the direction they're going in,
but they're going to do it anyway.
What they were doing was not working.
There was no iterative version
that was going to suddenly start working.
Yeah.
I think they could have done different things to be more...
I don't think this is going to work very well
in their favor.
I have my doubts.
Do you want to know my hot take
slash conspiracy theory here?
Please, sure.
They're out of money.
Yeah.
They're intentionally doing this to get attention
because they want someone in China to buy
their intellectual property.
Well, keep it in mind.
So the Chinese want to build EVs
and they want credible brands,
much like my Freelander example.
And so they're just being like,
please, someone take this over.
We don't know what we're doing.
We're open to offers,
but we're not going to say that publicly.
So we're just going to make it so obvious
that we're not trying anymore
by doing stuff like this.
Can I just know that in 2008,
they were purchased by India's Tata Motors?
Yeah, Tata.
Yeah.
So like that already happened.
They already had their...
No, they bought it at a developing market.
I understand what you're saying.
Much like remember when Ford bought them
as part of the what,
premier automotive group or what have you.
Like it's time to pass that hot potato.
And this is just their way of saying like,
please, someone buy us.
And like someone not in the US market,
we're not even trying to appeal to them.
This is strictly like a Chinese EV future for us.
By the way, they also have a partnership with Cherry.
You sure it's not Geely?
Yeah, positive.
So I don't know.
RIP, Jaguar maybe?
Who knows, we'll see.
They, by the way,
in their partnership with Cherry,
sell mostly their, the old Jaguar products still.
But in addition to this concept...
Yeah, talk about the steering wheel.
Yes.
This photo came out recently of their steering wheel.
Now, looking at this,
this in the year 2026 already looks aged and poor.
Can you describe it
for the people that are listening?
If you were alive in the late 1980s
and you remember what everybody was trying to do
with screens and car integration then,
that's what it looks like now.
That and across between like a
bang and all some product from 2003.
That's like, that's the best way to describe it.
Yeah, I was going Bose sound bar
or whatever those were,
Bose sound bar, yeah.
Which had all the ridges,
like the bottom of the steering wheel, those.
Those were cool, by the way.
They were.
They were like, you were somebody
if you had one of those in the 90s.
Multiple.
Yes.
It was that.
And if your friends had the ice thing
in the refrigerator,
that was how you,
you could tell we grew up in the middle.
Or maybe like a telephone,
like a cordless telephone,
I see a little bit.
It doesn't look like anything
made in the last 35 years.
And the screen integration looks like it's...
Is that what that is?
I think it is.
Oh, it might just be a cover.
It's got it.
Because it looks like...
It looks like how I cover up a check engine light.
Yeah.
Just put some black tape on it.
I don't know.
It looks very Ioniq-y to me.
Like this steering wheel and shifter,
which is on the stock,
could work in like an Ioniq 5.
I suppose.
I don't know if it works
in a multi-hundred thousand dollar Jaguar EV, though.
Yeah, I'm not sure.
A little too avant-garde.
Yeah, it is pretty out there,
but yeah,
if you think what they did with the exterior of these cars
is radical,
imagine what they're going to do
at the interior of these things.
Yeah.
I'm surprised it's not a yoke, to be honest with you.
Same.
Yeah, and it still very well could be.
But yeah, this is just quite a wild picture.
And then, of course, this guy had to have something.
Yeah, I like that.
I noticed that, too.
Yeah, of course.
I throw a nardi in it and just call it a day.
You can store CDs here.
Oh, wow.
Interesting.
Maybe.
But fascinating.
Moving on to the next new story, Porsche,
because this is a Porsche podcast.
Filippo?
It is a Porsche podcast.
It's a Porsche owner.
All right.
Next week, on the 14th or something like that,
Porsche is going to reveal a new, particularly fun,
911 variant.
So, people on the Internet have gone wild over this photo.
And there's a bunch of theories of what it is.
Right.
Now, to be clear for audio listeners,
it is a 911 with a cover on it,
a Porsche crest on the hood,
and the lights are on.
Yes, but you can, if you,
people that have looked closely at this,
which is not me,
I'm reporting what others have reported,
they see door handles.
And there's only the GT3 RS has door handles
that stick out when closed.
The rest flush with the vehicle.
Wow.
So, it could be a GT3 RS variant.
How fun.
Some people believe that it looks like there's a break
where the top is.
So, it could be a convertible.
So, there's some theories that it could be a convertible
GT3.
It could be a convertible GT3 RS.
It could be some other variant.
A convertible turbo.
Did they not offer a turbo?
Sorry.
I meant a turbo with a manual,
because a particularly fun and driving passion.
Could be a GT3 RS convertible.
Could be none of those things.
RS has a massive wing.
It could be so manual.
A GT3 touring RS convertible, whatever.
Touring convertible.
I don't know.
It's something.
It's something.
But that's particularly fun.
There's a lot of people that do think it's likely to be
a manual because of particularly fun
and kind of going to driving enjoyment.
But we will find out next week.
Sounds particularly fun.
Particularly fun.
Yeah.
It will premiere on April 14th.
Wow.
Okay.
So, yeah.
So, we'll be talking about it.
Be honest with us.
How often are you on RunList?
Never.
How often are you checking the values of your car?
Never.
You know what?
So, my washing machine was on the fritz,
and Felipe let me borrow his.
And sitting in his garage,
he was away with his 911 Targa.
Yeah.
And he was in there.
Windows and roof open.
Yeah.
With spiders in it.
When I got home and the windows were closed,
I was like, ah, right, Kenneth was here.
Yeah.
I saw this.
I'm like, why?
Because you still don't understand how to take care of a nice car.
What do you mean?
He's just not a Porsche guy.
I cleaned the car yesterday.
And I cleaned the interior.
It's in my garage.
Why not leave it open?
Clean the interior.
I wonder what that means.
It looks pretty nice.
It didn't look clean to me.
No, no.
I cleaned the exterior.
There was sand in the passengers.
Well, because we use our cars.
Yeah.
You want me to use my car or not?
I'm not going to use my car.
It's an 80-something thousand dollar car.
You got to treat it with something specific.
It's a 90-thousand mile 911.
I'm going to use it like a 90-thousand mile 911.
Well, it's true.
And I will then clean it.
And I vacuumed it a bunch of times.
I've treated the interior leather.
I was on it.
I'm treating it nicely.
I was unimpressed.
It's a sign that I was driving the car.
Which is good.
With the top open, as you should, in the Targa.
Yeah.
But then you close it when you're done.
Why?
Because you get spiders in it and dust everywhere.
My garage is in the spidery.
I mean, I felt like more of a Porsche person.
But my point is, Filippo, although he does have a 911,
he does talk about Porsche.
He's actually not very much a Porsche guy.
And whatever BS variant this is, no one's going to drive it.
They're all going to get it.
No.
They're going to take it to one cars and coffee.
They're going to tell everyone about it.
And then they're going to park it.
I hope that this will be a more known one that actually gets driven.
Yeah.
I hope people drive it.
Yeah.
I mean, I think the Karatee is one of the most compelling things they make.
I agree.
Go ahead and drive them.
I mean, people just, you don't have to worry about it as much.
I love those cars.
It will almost certainly be on the high end of their lineup, obviously.
GT3 cab would be interesting.
Is there a market?
I don't know if there's a market for that.
Okay.
I guess.
It's cool.
But a manual turbo would be quite something.
First manual turbo since the 997.
That would be something cool.
That would be pretty cool.
Yeah.
It's what they did with this.
Yeah.
I think it would be big money.
Yeah.
Exactly.
It's what they did with the sport classic, right?
That was basically a manual turbo.
Correct.
And values have stayed quite strong.
Just close the man.
And Porsche is known for using limited edition models to test the concept of bringing it
to the wire.
They are doing what Ferrari's not willing to.
Yep.
And they have been since the 911 R.
Yep.
We've been doing it for a long time since the 911 R.
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Ah, Ford.
Yeah, ice is not dead to use your term again there.
Ford just set a new record on the Nurburgring ring for fastest internal combustion engine.
It's fastest American car beating out the Corvette ZRX-1.
16, 15, 590.
It's a little cheeky because they use not only a race car driver,
which I expect a lot of the manufacturers are, but this is a track only variant.
Yes, the public can buy it. They choose who can buy it.
But like in theory, you and I...
Isn't even the normal Ford GT?
Yeah, no, it's the Mark Ford GT prototype.
It's a prototype pre-production vehicle.
Well, you could buy the race car version of it.
Like if you wanted to be a gentleman racer like Ken and I.
So it's kind of a BS thing.
It's kind of a BSE thing, but still six minutes and 15 seconds, just absolutely ripping it.
Again, you know, we're America's back, baby.
Like that is so cool.
And I feel like the new Ford GT's waning a little bit,
like the old Ford GT's getting to be a little bit more sought after in the secondary market.
The new Ford GT's may be like a little tired.
So doing stuff like this, I think keeps that Ford GT like really hot, really exciting.
I'm here for it.
Obviously, this is different than the Ford GT you can go out and buy.
But the fastest production car, according to Wikipedia, is Mercedes-AMG 1, which had a 629.
So 15 seconds off of that, I recognize that it's a prototype vehicle on flakes, et cetera.
But it's cool.
It's cool.
It is impressive.
It's a good marketing gimmick.
You know, their CEO is famous for going racing.
Yeah.
I think it's great to see Ford still has their enthusiast heart beating very strongly for us all.
To our friend Jim Farley.
By the way, the non-road legal cars, fastest was a Porsche 919 Hybrid Evo in 2018 that did a 519.
That's crazy.
But it's a hybrid stunk car.
This is the third after the Volkswagen IDR.
OK.
Moving on, just a fun little factoid there.
Oh, speed cameras.
All right.
Colorado is rolling out a new type of speed camera.
That's an average speed camera.
No.
Other countries, the UK especially, has had this for forever.
France.
But it means that there isn't a speed camera or a police officer.
It's taking the average from camera one to camera two and tracking your speed that way.
I have feelings on this.
Two things.
One is that it is nice knowing that they're not caught hitting out there.
You know exactly where they are.
They're not moving, so you know where you can slow down.
However, having just driven through France and having to deal with these damn things,
it was so frustrating.
Because all you do is you just stare at the speedometer.
You just make sure it's set perfectly.
And then if it goes, if you go downhill a little bit, it's like, oh, did I pick up speed?
I want to be clear.
If you're average 10 miles or more above the speed limit, you will get a $75 ticket and
no penalty points.
It's just a cash grab.
Really.
What that admits is that it's not for safety.
It's just to make revenue.
That's all that admits in my mind.
Now, there is a safety element here.
It's known that if there's speed cameras in a static spot, ways in Google Maps tell you
where those are.
You slow down.
But if they actually believe that, then they would assign points to it.
Further to Tokyo, but they don't.
In a lot of states and at the federal level, there have been some lawsuits about actual
penalties when there is not a police officer present.
Oh, like in Italy, if you can.
Which is true, but it's been a problem with speed cameras generally where some courts have
ruled against them.
Having lower penalties changes some of that and makes it more.
Sure.
Then doesn't act as a deterrent, which doesn't accomplish the goal.
It is a little bit of a deterrent, hopefully.
Because speeding can get out of hand.
Yeah.
I haven't seen a lot of people speeding.
Scottsdale has these all over the place.
Not quite this technology.
I was in my father-in-law's old Tahoe and old tires, saw the red light camera.
And if you speed up, it gets you for speeding.
So you can't just like power through the yellow.
So I stand on the brakes, light up all four tires.
A pillow of smoke comes over me and the lady next to me just looks at me like this.
But it's like, I've literally gotten a ticket at this light before.
I'm not doing it again.
That's definitely safer.
Definitely safer.
Mission accomplished.
That sounds like a nake problem for being honest.
It was actually really fun.
Be careful if you're going more than 10 miles over the speed limit on I-25 north of Denver.
I just hope it doesn't spread like a coronavirus disease.
Okay. And I don't like it.
I also like making up some time on the long, boring, flat highway stretches.
Which most of Colorado is.
But I also do appreciate the need for some enforcement.
Yeah.
Speaking of something, let's talk about something cool.
So Louis Hamilton recently for the Japanese Grand Prix,
went out one night with Kim Kardashian, who he's dating in an F-40,
had cameras snapped to it and drove it around like crazy.
He did donuts.
He was power sliding the car.
He was just having a great time.
And I think it further underscores like,
Louis might be one of the coolest people.
He's so cool.
Another idea I respect Louis for his unbelievable achievements in Formula One.
He is one of the great sportsmen of the world currently living.
But then he goes out and does this in an F-40.
I mean, you think about it like,
a lot of the drivers have to be seen driving the car as the manufacturer.
Louis isn't out just driving the new stuff.
He's driving the cool stuff.
Yeah.
And he clearly loves the F-40.
And like that's one of his passengers.
He's out driving it with Kim Kardashian.
I mean, that's a wild statement.
He's doing what Formula One drivers should be doing,
which is when they're not on track,
they're just going out and doing insane stuff.
I think it's cool.
Even the edit was cool.
Like they had a way to make it like vintage and like,
just like almost like a street racing vibe to it.
Totally.
And like, I think that like,
obviously a lot of it was planned and stuff like that,
but I still think it's really cool.
Yeah.
Louis Hamilton and Kim Kardashian in an F-40.
Come on.
It's cool.
Yeah.
It's not really much of a new story.
If you haven't watched the video,
like go out and find it like on Instagram where it was,
it was really awesome.
And F-40, yeah.
Kardashian's also come up a lot on this podcast
and like always in a positive sentiment.
It's very strange,
but like they know cars.
It's like so weird.
I would like to,
I would mention someone advises them on the car decisions
I should make.
I'd love to know who that is.
I don't know.
But they've,
there's been gear heads in that family before they were famous.
They've got taste.
But yeah.
Got a lot of taste.
But anyway,
that brings us to the end of the news.
Let's have to talk about cars.
Time to talk about cars.
We've got good stuff to do.
All right, Nick.
Start us off.
You want me to,
it's hard to even say who should start.
Oh, no, it's you.
It's definitely you.
It's always Nick.
Should I start with an apology?
I feel like to who?
To my wife.
Yeah.
Probably.
So I had a friend DM me saying,
Nick,
there is a convertible L 405 Range Rover at a Mannheim auction
in Pennsylvania.
This has you written all over it.
And then idea of my other buddy Troy,
who's like sort of the kingpin of this Rover,
roulette group I'm in.
And he helps people.
He has a dealer's license by these cars.
And I said, Troy,
do not tell a single soul about this.
I want to pursue this.
Will you help me?
And he said,
this is the worst idea I've ever heard.
I'm in.
And so sure enough,
we get online and we bid on it at the Mannheim dealer auction
and win it.
It went for like,
it only got 30,000 miles.
Like it went for maybe a small premium over what I think the L
405 is worth without mileage.
Sure, 20, 30, 40 grand.
Yeah.
No.
No, 20.
It barely went for 40.
But I now own a convertible Range Rover.
It's done by Newport convertible engineering,
who is sort of the known go to one.
I know how my second or third converted car,
the other two were transmission converted.
This one's convertible converted.
Oh, interesting.
Yes.
And it is by far the most unhinged Range Rover I've ever seen.
I picked it up for you because you were out of town.
So I took delivery of it for you.
It's so cool.
I've been so nervous because it was sold by just like a Chevy dealer.
Yeah, it was weird.
Like two hours outside of Philly.
It was also billed as one of two built for the Queen,
which there was one built for the Queen.
It ain't that one.
It ain't that one.
It's pretty different.
And also Newport convertible engineering has at least four L405s
on their website that they've done.
So like those claims were just total use car dealer BS.
But I've never seen another one in person.
And it's cool.
We all want convertible.
We live in Southern California.
You want a convertible in life.
I have a target.
I had a convertible 500.
You have your convertible SLR.
And I want to take my family places.
Like I want a beach cruiser.
Look at how the seatbelts are mounted in the rear
and maybe come to your own conclusion.
It's got some weird stuff to it.
But I'm like taking this to car week this year.
And we're all going around.
So cool.
I can't wait.
Just like waving and car spotting and having so much fun.
I'm taking it off roading.
Like it's so cool.
The design works as a convertible.
Because like it has a like a hip line that kind of.
Yeah.
It truly works.
It works great as long as the top is down.
The top is down.
You put that top up.
It's on level with Doug's G wagon in terms of words.
It's worse, which is hard.
The top up because the top really goes up like right behind
the rear seats, not.
Right.
So there's like a shelf.
There's a shelf.
So it looks like a hearse.
I assume you have a video out about this.
Yeah.
The video is dropped by the time this podcast comes out of
I was bidding on it, winning at your initial reactions.
As well as the other.
So I tried to buy P 38 convertible back in the day.
It went for like 130 grand.
I tried to buy an RC convertible one for like 150.
So it's a deal.
It's a deal.
Yes.
I couldn't.
I couldn't not.
But I still have the E 55 in Atlanta, which I'm going to pick
up next week.
I'm going to go to DC motorworks fourth anniversary party at
their shop, do a final drive in inspection and then ship it
back, do some other stuff while I'm out there in Atlanta.
But I basically, it's one point last week had two cars that
I'd bought and never seen or driven.
I still haven't driven it.
By one point last week, you mean to literally an hour ago,
you had two cars that you hadn't seen this year.
So look down that camera and apologize to your wife.
I apologize so many times.
She is a saint for putting up with me.
She is.
I told her she listens to the podcast when you're on.
She listens to the podcast.
Now's your shot to really, she does.
It brings us together.
But she, she's, she's, she's my biggest fan.
I love her to death.
I do have to figure out what car I'm selling.
Eventually sell multiple.
She's encouraging me to hang on to all of them and just like
get some time.
I know.
I'm surprised.
Have you considered selling now that you have a five seat
Range Rover?
You don't need your Cayenne.
I don't.
Well, I don't think I need two Range Rovers.
I don't think you need a Cayenne.
Maybe one car that's going to work.
Is that your newest car now?
Yeah.
It's the newest, newest car.
Lowest mileage.
38,000 miles.
Yeah.
I think you have your solution.
We'll, we'll see.
There's, his wife has not yet seen this car.
There's no way she's seen this.
Why not?
So cool.
Oh, imagine the roof not working.
Oh, and it won't.
Getting stuck halfway.
It is a power roof, by the way.
You know, we weren't sure going into it, but it is power.
On its own.
Also, it's really quick.
It goes up and down quickly.
Yeah.
From your video, it looked pretty good.
So I don't know what I'm doing long term.
I couldn't say no to it.
Boy, isn't that true?
I do think someone eventually like it belongs on Coronado
and Nantucket.
Somewhere, you know, like Galveston.
I don't know.
Coastal Island and or not.
Somewhere where you have a vacation home and you want to take
your kids out to like the local.
Or it belongs in your driveway.
It will belong there for a while.
But eventually we'll probably.
Yeah.
Are PCH and insinitis.
Will it fit your garage?
I don't know.
In theory.
I don't know.
God, you got, you have to love.
You think I respect that.
I need due diligence on this.
Flip on his wife carefully measured and like do stuff around
the garage to make sure that 911 wouldn't have anything around
at that.
Yeah.
The reason.
I don't know.
Mostly my wonderful wife.
Not me.
The reason it's called Rover Roulette is you just, you do it.
And then you ask for this.
It's like, it could go bad.
It could go great.
You never know.
You just.
You didn't need to explain.
We understood.
It's one out of six times.
It goes poorly.
So you got some more rangers by.
I mean, with the P 38, it's like eight out of nine times.
It goes.
Sure.
Yeah.
With an L 405.
I think it's more like 50 50.
Sam did all the due diligence on an L 45 and was like,
don't buy these.
They're unreliable.
I buy it.
And then I'm like, Sam, can you tell me more about the L 405,
please?
Oh my God, Nick.
It's such a problem.
He agreed at 38,000 miles.
It's probably not.
You're probably.
Congratulations.
Thank you.
Question mark was correct.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
I don't know where to go from there.
Do you hit us with some rational?
I sure cannot.
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Over the weekend, I was in Arizona for my nephew's one year birthday and for Easter.
And while there, my late father-in-law and my mother-in-law had bought a Fox body Mustang convertible,
a 1991 50 convertible, like two, three years ago now.
Craig, my late father-in-law, was a mechanic, especially a Ford mechanic,
so he did a bunch of upgrades.
He wanted to really make it quite a high-performance Fox body,
which means it performs about as well as...
Yeah.
I went from 200 horses to 23.
But also they were going to do a lot of cosmetic work.
It had gone to a painter who then started doing math.
There was a whole problem.
They had to rescue it in the middle of the night from his backyard.
None of this is a joke.
They truly went the middle of the night with a trailer and took it back.
But now it's getting actually painted and finished professionally by a real shop.
So we had to move it from the driveway where it had sat about 50 miles to the shop.
Wait a moment.
So what's the plan with this thing?
To finish the project.
To finish the project.
It runs great now.
My brother-in-law and I replaced the starter while we were there,
which was a surprise on a Friday afternoon when we had other things to do.
So you got the cold ones?
No, sadly.
I know it was really a mistake.
And then it's going to get painted like a purple color, which would be cool.
A body kit needs to be put on it first.
It's a whole thing.
But I spent a lot of my weekend fixing a Fox body Mustang,
loading it kind of sketchily onto a trailer, driving it across town.
But now it is in progress.
It is getting worked on.
It's going to get put back together.
And it's going to be very exciting.
So we'll have a running Fox body Mustang in my life.
Who are you?
You have a convertible wide body purple modded Fox body.
I didn't say wide body.
The body kit, but like bumpers.
No, no.
I was picturing like.
No, no, no.
I'm not strapped in.
Make it like a Celine wrap.
It'd be cool.
No, it would be cool.
Purple.
But I am excited.
It does.
It does.
Yes.
When you sent that picture to our cars and bus tax group,
I thought that is a parts car.
Yeah.
Like it.
You can get a far nicer Fox body Mustang anywhere.
Like literally anyone.
Yeah.
Filippo is just sending these pictures and his,
his brother on the bus underneath the car.
Yeah.
Look, I want to be clear.
It was mostly Jacob doing.
Yeah.
But I started.
I did act legitimately help a fair amount,
but mostly I sat there and replied to slacks.
That's.
Yeah.
What are you going to do?
Holiday weekend for Filippo.
But I'm excited that whenever I go back to my mother-in-law's house,
after we spend a lot,
she spends a lot of money getting this back together,
money that could certainly buy multiple Fox body Mustangs.
This is going to be on the site at some point.
No, no, no.
She's keeping it forever.
This is a sentimental.
With all due respect.
It's going to be at our house.
I'm going to,
every time I go back to Northern Arizona,
I'm going to be driving around on a Fox body.
Living the dream.
Quite heavily modified Fox body.
With all due respect to your father-in-law.
Yeah.
When I die,
I hope that my family doesn't feel compelled to finish all my project cars
to honor me because they're going to have their hands full.
There was some trade-offs of which projects were getting finished.
How many more were there?
I want to be clear because it matters.
What else have you got in the back warehouse here?
Including my wife, if she's listening.
He was quite good at finishing projects.
He then just has health declined really quickly.
I understand.
It became hard to finish some of them.
There is a 67 Mustang that doesn't have an interior engine.
I might recommend that over a Fox body.
The Fox body was from a collectability standpoint.
I'm not a sentimental person,
but other people in my life are.
And you can't fight sentimentality.
There is a Checker Aerobus.
That was my mother-in-law's grandfather's car.
When she was growing up,
they rode her in the Checker Aerobus,
which is like a six-door, three- or four-row Checker.
There's an RV.
There's some other stuff.
But we're clearing out.
The Ford F-250 that my wife and I inherited
is in front of our house right now.
It got delivered.
We got to do some things, but it's there.
It's running great.
Shout-out to Dave at Iconic Automotive.
It looks pretty cool.
It looks so cool.
It's pretty legit, I have to say.
I need to see a Bernat in it soon.
Before I replace the tires.
Let's do it.
I don't know.
It has the power to do that.
It may be one rotation.
It's like a 6.4-liter VA with the actual power.
What, like 100?
No, it's 300-something.
It's pre-U.S. emissions.
Oh, right, because it's a 73.
It's 73.
Okay.
Remember that, you know,
the multiply adventure tour?
This is related, but so we wanted to do burnouts
when we did the quarter-mile strip.
Producer Sean got a bunch of baby oil for that.
And then he gave it to me in a plastic bag
and the tractor didn't let us put down the baby oil
to try to make a burnout.
So many good reviews.
So let me go to the hotel
and I check in with like seven or eight big things
of baby oil.
And this is like right after the whole incident
with Pete Eddie.
And I forgot and I left them behind.
So some poor house cleaner
just saw this empty room that one guy was in for one night
and left seven, eight bottles of baby oil.
And I wanted to be like, it's for drag racing.
It's not for what you think it is.
They assume that was some sort of euphemism.
So if we want to do a burnout,
we need to go find some baby oil.
I actually think that given that the tires are 20 years old.
Yeah, we're good.
If my father-in-law's Tahoe can peal all four, we're good.
I haven't actually driven the truck yet.
It is my wife's truck, not mine.
She drove it back when we picked it up from the transporter.
I have a great picture of you guys together.
Yeah, we saw Canon.
But this weekend was all about American cars.
You know what?
I'm going to add to it.
It's not an American car.
But I have an observation.
So I recently went back to Ohio to visit my grandfather.
My grandfather is not well.
He's living the end of his life.
But he has had in his life, it was his father's before his,
and he's had it since he was I think about 14 or 15.
And he's now 97.
He's had a 1931 Indian 101B Scout,
which is regarded by most pre-war motorcycle people
and most motorcycle people in general.
It's one of the greatest bikes ever made.
And my cousin, Matt,
finished a full mechanical restoration of the bike.
And it's not easy.
Working on pre-war stuff is very difficult.
He's had to learn a lot.
I'm really proud of the work that he's done with it.
My grandfather has always said,
he's always said,
anybody can ride that thing.
And so one day,
we all were able to get together to spend some time with him,
which was great.
And we all got to ride the bike, including myself.
Now, I've never ridden a motorcycle of any kind before.
You've never ridden a motorcycle, period?
No, never.
Never ridden one before.
But I got to ride the Indian,
which was so cool and so interesting.
So like, I love pre-war cars.
And the bike, I was like so in love with this motorcycle.
It was easier.
Once you get it moving, which does take,
so when you start the thing,
you have to go full throttle on the left handlebar and full,
you can adjust the timing.
So you have to do that all the way down as well.
The kick, when you go to kick it,
you have to push down on it until you find compression,
then come up and then kick it to start.
Wow.
And then turn the handlebar,
turn the handles back really quickly so it doesn't,
because you're at full, I mean, it's pretty loud.
But I was just like, I was in heaven with it.
There's my cousin running along telling me that it's like,
he's warning me.
It's like, you know, when you put it in neutral,
because it goes first, neutral, second, third,
just what I did right there.
It was like, just make sure you don't go all the way
into second gear or whatever, you know.
But I also slowed down a little bit so that like,
the brakes are not great.
They're cable driven.
So it's, they don't stop like a modern motorcycle at all.
But I got to ride it.
My family got to ride it.
My grandfather was like the happiest.
So it was a really wholesome moment.
It was all together.
But it made me realize also,
there's not a lot of crossover between car people
and motorcycle people.
They are generally, you're interested in one or the other,
seldom both, which I think is very interesting.
But this bike, I just fell in love with the experience.
And it's like, I don't know that I can own one.
I don't know if I feel comfortable with how this is what I would want.
And they're not exactly fast or reliable.
It's a total loss oiling system.
So it just comes out on the ground.
Wow.
It's not exactly environmentally friendly.
That's awesome.
But the experience of using something that all like,
I've really fallen in love with older cars recently
and older objects in general,
just make you use your brain in a completely different way.
And like being a car guy having,
I mean, sort of foot operated clutch that I had to work
and like all this stuff.
And then you're balancing it as well.
Like I totally get the appeal.
And I love it.
And I'm happy we all have it in our life.
And my cousin will keep it.
We'll keep it in the family forever.
But it was just a cool experience.
I wanted to share with people.
I understand why people love motorcycles.
I think if you can get out and ride one,
it's like, I can see the appeal.
The freedom is just amazing.
Motorcycles are incredibly fun.
I'm not like a performance bike person,
but that to me was a feeling.
And that's special.
And it's such an incredible way to get into like,
mechanical engine driven things.
They're a lot in general cheaper than cars.
Easier to work on than cars.
Easier to maintain than cars.
Like if you're into that, it's such a good engine point.
And you know, yeah, it's a much,
it's an approachable entry point into mechanical things.
Mechanical like modes of transportation.
You're gonna get a motorcycle?
You're gonna get a bike?
I love that thing.
My cousin sent me one that's for sale right now.
Another 31.
And I was like, I just kind of feel like, but yeah.
They're cool.
And you just feel like so cool.
Like it was a very masculine feeling thing.
But yeah, I've really, I've really loved it.
And it's just like a, it was a, it's a fun story.
I'm glad my grandfather got to do that.
I could picture you on a Harley.
I think I'm an Indian guy.
More modern by sure.
And Indian for sure.
Yeah, I can see that.
That's more the brand I love just because of that
and my family tie to it.
Yeah, yeah.
I just think it's a cool piece of Americana.
Modern Indians are great too.
Yeah.
Husqvarna based, but you know, I still, they are pretty cool.
So I don't know.
But yeah, that was my, so not a car piece of news at all,
but nonetheless.
Deep cannon that the first motorcycle you ride is
incredibly special.
A special and rare one.
Yup.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, you just start with that.
Well, the R8 I've driven is a GT.
Oh.
Oh.
Well, I only driven, I'd only driven V10s and that was true.
I drove a Mercy once.
It was an SV one of four, but yeah.
That's true.
I've driven the SV and the LP 650 in your car.
Yeah.
The 650.
Yeah.
The 640, the 650 for those who know.
All right.
Enough of our news.
It's time to talk about the marker report.
And the marker report this week is brought to you,
to you all by Velocity Invitational.
On actual.
An actual sponsor this time.
We partner with the Velocity Invitational folks to run
some really great auctions while we're there.
So you'll, if you come to the Velocity Invitational
moment, you will see literally me,
a bunch of people from our team and a bunch of really cool
cars that will be auctioned that day
and will be there that day.
But Velocity Invitational in general is one of North America's
premier car culture events.
Hundreds of the world's greatest cars on the track
and in the paddock.
Some really cool people coming.
So come check it out.
If you want to come, you can get a 10% discount
by using the code this when you buy your ticket.
You're going to be there?
I will be there.
Literally you?
Literally me.
Literally.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's worth the 10% off.
Before we dive into some Markerport,
I want to mention a couple of other places where we
at Cars and Bits will be.
There's a cruise in at the Peterson Automotive Museum
on the 12th.
That's this Sunday from nine to noon.
Jeff Dunham will be there.
Fun fact.
Admission is free, but you do take it if you want to
show your car.
And then at the Long Beach Grand Prix,
the Fallen weekend, we're partnering with Avants
for the Avants pit stop from six to nine p.m.
right after the Long Beach Grand Prix.
Will you be there?
I will also be there.
Literally?
Literally.
All right.
Yeah.
That one, he's metaphorically going to be there.
So check out our socials and our Cars and Bits community
for a chance to apply for an entrance to that event.
Come hang out.
And I'll be at the Rancho Santa Fe Cars and Coffee on Saturday.
We don't talk about the Cars and Coffee.
No, it is official.
No, we just don't talk about it.
It's a secret.
Oh yeah, it used to be called a secret.
Secret car.
That was in that inner period where they had to hide
because of the city.
So anyway, the best possible.
All right.
But let's talk about actual car market.
Can we start with the Cayenne GTS?
Oh, yes.
So we sold, it'll come up pretty quickly.
So we sold this O9 Cayenne GTS.
For those of you who are unfamiliar,
this generation Cayenne GTS was available with a manual.
And this is the one, 34,000 miles, 6B manual,
finished in GTS red, which is the color.
You were saying there's some ownership thing behind this?
Yeah.
So I want to give a shout out to David,
MotorCars, the main line.
He was the seller here, but the owner of the vehicle
reached out to us, was an older lady whose husband had passed,
who had this car as his baby.
Great taste.
And we connected them.
And David did a phenomenal job of presenting the car,
getting it sold for what is, at least based on our research,
a modern record for it.
There's a chance, Doug and I went back and forth
about this a lot.
He was being very pedantic.
There's a chance that when new Cayenne GTS was more,
could be optioned to more than 97,500,
but otherwise, to our knowledge, this is a record price.
Not since the recession has one trade, when it was new.
So to be clear, it's all for 97,500,
which is a lot of money.
Because it was the next most expensive one.
Oh, first gen?
I don't know.
No, we're close.
No, we're close to that.
I mean, it was, I think, yeah,
I mean, we've sold a couple of red ones.
The next nearest one was 32,000.
Now the mileage difference is the big thing there.
3825.
Oh yeah, 3825.
The mileage was the thing.
If you want a manual Cayenne GTS,
which the first gen Cayenne was only the GTS
to be available with the manual,
the only V8 Cayenne with the manual,
this is the one you want.
It's the nicest one in the world.
Sure.
Manual Cayenne's in general.
I mean, you guys sold a bunch of those Jet Green ones.
Yep.
That is the next model, not to be called the 95A,
to be called the 92A for all the commenters
that get upset about things like that.
Your Porsche people, but nonetheless,
that is pretty wild.
Strong result, but I mean, it is yet another case
of find another one.
This one was incredibly well represented
by a great seller.
It was just the mileage, the transmission.
They just don't come up.
And the nice one never comes.
They sell and they sell two enthusiasts
buying two enthusiasts at this point,
but this is a really low mileage.
You gotta wonder if there will become
a market for manual swaps.
Right.
The Delta.
So you could buy a low-mile Cayenne GTS
for like 30.
I don't think so.
I don't think so.
I'll tell you why.
They're not that great to drive anyway.
It's the rarity from the fact it was built
from the factory this way.
It's cool.
It's a novelty.
I don't think it improves the experience
even remotely.
I think it does.
I don't think it does.
But I get why.
So I don't think that this isn't like the mercy,
where it dramatically makes it better.
So there's this generation Nordic gold one
that I see around all the time in Del Mar,
chick driven.
Oh.
And you gotta wonder like,
sorry, I mean rugged mother.
And you gotta wonder, could she stick swap that
and sell it for 100K?
I mean, probably.
It's interesting, right?
So E46M3 is what comes to mind.
Because those were available as a stick,
common as a stick.
But people do stick swap them.
And you get back the price of the swap.
There's controversy in the E46 community
about that something.
It doesn't matter what car it is,
the conversion people are crazy.
And I say that with love,
but like they're all hate each other
and crap on each other.
And like it's a whole thing.
The Nordic gold is calling them crazy.
That's right.
Nordic gold would sell well.
A Nordic gold manual.
Maybe that, go up to them.
Offer the converter for them.
Good luck finding the manual.
I'll leave a note and let you know how it goes.
But I can't, I'm no more cars.
Dear rugged mother.
I have no more left.
Okay.
No more cars.
All right.
Can we talk about, all right.
Last week, I'm going to go back to my normal BS here.
Last week on Cars and Friends,
on the Cars and Bits channel,
we talked about cars that we felt like
we're going to appreciate.
Yeah.
We're appreciating.
That came out this week on Monday.
There were two that I pointed out
as I think they're going up.
One was the GT350.
Can you pull it up real quick?
Yeah.
We sold that very GT350 for $64,500,
which this was a low mile,
good color, good spec one.
What was sticker on it?
64.5 is a strong result
and notably up from some other results.
It sold for above sticker.
Now granted, it was adjusted for inflation,
but even so, like that's crazy.
These have retained their value
and they truly are taking back up.
These nice ones like this,
we've sold if you look back at our results
in the fifties, pretty consistently.
And now somehow they're back above 60,
which is impressive.
They are indeed, I think, going up.
And the same is true for the 997.
We sold 997.1 earlier this week or last week
for maybe it was 99.1.
It wasn't.
It was a .2.
There you go.
997.1 Carrera S with a manual 20,000 miles
for 74, which feels like strong money.
I took a look back at our results
from 2023, 2024, and even to 2025.
And this eclipses most similar comps.
These are also truly taking up.
I say this both to validate what I said,
to drive people to that video,
because it's a good video.
A little cross marketing there.
And because I think that both of these
are truly interesting market results, right?
They are proving out that GT350s and 997s are up.
And you should be minding that
if it's a car you want to buy.
You know what else is going on?
SLRs, L405 cabs, E55 stick swaps.
39M5.
2014 Ford Focus SE with a titanium package.
Yeah, just totally.
You're going to have a hoovy level sell-off.
How confident are you that it's SE with a titanium package?
No, I'm not.
It's a black pack.
Because the titanium was the term of both SE.
I misspoke.
You're correct.
Fellow 2014 Ford Focus enthusiast, Filippo, over here.
I almost.
May I bring up one for Porsche to drive it home
that we are at Porsche podcast?
So we recently had, so in that same video,
Filippo's alluding to,
I also talked about this is one of the cars I think
being undervalued in 1988, 944 Turbo S.
They built like a thousand of these cars,
only about 500 of the United States.
They're very rare and they only built it for a single year.
What's interesting about this one is we've had it on the site
once before, not that long ago.
So it was here in 2025.
It sold for $23,250.
Exact same car with much better pictures
and better representation sold for $31,250.
Yep.
It brings home my point.
It's going to go on my gravestone yet again.
Take great pictures.
Like representation of the car matters so much at an auction
because you can't see the car in person.
And this one was not perfect.
And the guy disclosed actually more than the previous owner
about what was, what the things that he found with it.
He was more pedantic about like little flaws that it had.
But because of his transparency and great representation,
the car sold for quite a bit more.
And so all those things just go into making a great auction.
No reserve too.
And no reserve.
Go ahead and drive home the point.
Pull up your SL65.
She was talking about great, great photos.
Yeah, we talked about that.
We have, but...
We have, but I mean, yeah.
My SL65, it arrived with the owner in Dallas.
So it is out of my light.
It's gone.
It's out in Dallas now.
I hope to see the car again.
It feels like it feels right.
Is it Dallas car?
It does.
Doesn't it?
Like the color combo.
It's a little flashy.
It's like, it kind of fits right in.
Oh, nice.
But I mean, again, yeah.
I did everything I could to represent this car nicely.
And ultimately it sold for...
That picture of you caressing the license plate there.
Yeah, that's nice.
It's one of my favorite photos of you.
It's up there.
Well, it was dirty.
Yeah.
The car was dirty.
I want to make sure, I want to make sure that's...
It had some carbon there.
So I want to make sure.
Wearing a hat, a Mercedes hat.
Yeah.
You still got that?
Oh yeah.
I did keep the hat on a bunch, on a couple of other like things my family got me related
to Mercedes.
Wow.
Do you guys think as auction experts here, including your Chachis with the car, does that help?
It depends on how cool the Chachis are.
Like a hat.
If they came with...
No.
No, absolutely not.
I don't want lice.
Where you been?
But if they are things like that came with the car from the factory as peripherals.
Like the Carrergy...
No, it's not there.
But the Carrergy T for instance, they have little engines that came with them, like little
models they had.
What about Doug's chrome reflective heat jacket?
I don't think that...
Yes.
I mean, maybe.
I don't think I...
I don't play once that.
I do think that other things that prove that you're an enthusiast do help.
Like the people that have like a prowler and a trailer and then give you the prowler or
hot wheels with the trailer are...
That's just...
I don't think it makes a big difference.
No, but like it's like a nice little...
I think...
So it's a way to signal that you're an enthusiast.
Less so than it actually improves the value.
Bit of tangent.
I know we have to get to questions.
So I was in Beverly Hills recently, or just LA in general, but I was in Beverly Hills
specifically and I was on radio drive and I went to the Porsche Design and I walked in
and I asked them if they had any Carrera GT related stuff.
Yeah.
And they were like, let me check.
They went back and checked and said, we don't have any of that, but we do have some Carrera
related stuff.
I'm like...
Oh yeah.
You don't understand.
Never mind.
See you later.
Can I give one more market update?
Absolutely.
You can.
All right.
I sold by BBSLM wheels.
They've arrived to the new owners.
Turns out BBSLMs are worth money.
Yeah.
It really just proved that I don't understand the modification industry at all.
But they're sold.
The guy who bought them is phenomenal.
He actually reached out to me when I first bought the car and talked about it and then
reached out again when I put him up for first sale.
You're going to use the proceeds to refinish your OE wheels?
I'm going to use the proceeds to offset my cost of purchase for the car.
You're never going to own this car, right?
He's thrilled with them.
I'm thrilled that he has them.
He's putting them on his 997 as well.
It's exciting, but I don't understand that market in the least.
Alums are legit, dude.
Yeah.
They look great on the car.
I'd love the OEs because I'm an OE.
They're telling everyone to slow down and obey traffic laws.
I know.
Take off your wheels.
Yeah.
Take off your wheels.
Take off your wheels.
Well, you can't speed without wheels.
Yeah.
That's true.
Oh, man.
Well, I'm glad that you're able to get rid of those and they went to a good home.
They went to a great home and I'm incredibly excited.
Cool.
Well, I think that's the market report.
That is the market report.
Well, it's time to take some questions.
All right.
We have some questions.
Questions, questions, questions.
Questions are brought to you today by Nick's Convertible Range Rover.
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I'll take it.
That's fair.
If you have a question, you can ask it in this community post.
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Sean, our producer, reviewed them.
So this selection is courtesy of him.
Normally Doug goes through every single question and chooses.
I didn't see them.
I trusted Sean to do it today.
I didn't.
I didn't see them in advance.
Because he added them minutes ago.
We're going to do it live.
All right.
Okay.
If Nick.
Who's it?
Who's this from?
This is from Super M3 GTR 1721.
Okay.
Thank you for asking.
If you had Middle East Prince level money, which brand today that exists now, would you
first approach to make a one off car?
I added some things.
I mean, wouldn't you just go straight to the top and it's like, I mean, I would go
to Ferrari and ask them about ones.
Let's be honest.
Most of the stuff they built is one off.
Kind of.
You would go to Ferrari?
I'd go to Ferrari.
Something with a manual.
V12 and a manual.
The Daytona SP3 with a six speed.
You know what they would say?
How much?
No.
I'd say how much?
No.
I think you gave them enough money out.
I think they would.
I don't know how much.
I agreed to never have it be seen in public and never drive it.
And well, they don't have to find out.
I think a one off Ferrari though.
That's like, that's pretty real.
That's pretty serious.
You get the air clapped in car.
Oh yeah.
I forgot about that.
I think I would have to go Lamborghini.
Since he already took Ferrari.
I still want a Reventon.
So I would say like make me a new one or make me a stick event or something like that.
Stick event or interesting.
It should be doable.
Not yet.
It wouldn't be like, they would have to find a manual.
Yeah.
It still seems to me like it's very doable, but no one's done it yet.
Honestly, what the one guy did with the, I know it was just a spec, but on his, on his
Chiron, the Pado Maj to the original Veyron.
Yeah.
That was really cool.
That was pretty cool.
The true Bugatti would be crazy to overlook.
An EB110 SS revival.
Oh yeah.
With like some level of reliability.
Same with the XJ220, but again, like with some level of modern refinement.
Put the V12 in it.
Yeah.
Put the V12 in it.
You're like Jaguar is desperate enough for money.
They might.
If you brought them some components.
With some more than the project 00, whatever their naming it.
Which might be called the GT apparently.
Now you're the most, I'm most curious what you're going to say about this.
Prepare yourself for something contrarian right here folks.
I would go to Volvo.
Interesting.
I would, I would just bring sob back.
The answer that I would, that I was going to give, which I'll give anyways, you know
how Porsche has been doing their like wish, like there was, we saw that Cayenne that was
re-engineered by a Porsche.
I would go to Fiat and say, Hey, the multiply was pretty great, but I want to be a little
better.
Can you go out, use the original design.
Much effort.
Just make it a little bit, a little bit nicer, a little bit, a little bit better.
So one off Ferrari, converted manual Lamborghini of some kind.
Better multiple.
Better multiple.
And honestly, we all chose Italian automakers.
Just said something.
That is interesting.
There's a lot of room for improvement.
They make the coolest stuff.
Yeah.
I thought it was going to say what brand would you bring back.
Like you could go buy the defunct brand.
I would buy some.
Yeah.
Duesenberg.
To be clear, I don't think I have a way to make sob make money, but I've tried.
Neither did they.
In the end.
So true.
All right.
Next question is from Century Bug.
What's your learning manual story?
Oh.
I vaguely know yours.
I should answer.
I want to know when Nick plans to learn how to drive a manual.
That's the question for Nick.
But Kevin, please go ahead.
Plans it.
Have you ever been with him in a car?
When I'm having fun, I sometimes dump the clutch intentional.
Sometimes he stalls.
You do money shift cars.
They'll know that never happened.
Never seen the worst manual driving.
All right.
Go ahead.
Interesting.
So I learned how to drive in an NC Miata.
The hardtop.
The folding hardtop one.
My uncle had one.
And took me to drive.
We spent an afternoon driving that.
So we drove to the Fiat dealership.
This was before the A-barth came out.
And I wanted to see if it was there.
And they happened to have a 500 prima dizione.
Nice.
And they let me go drive that, which was also a manual.
It's a really easy manual to drive.
It was.
But I got to check off two manuals.
And I got to learn on Fiat, the dealer demonstrator.
The best way.
Which was good.
I only stalled it twice, I think.
But that was how I learned how to do it.
And then I didn't drive manual for a year after that.
And then I made sure basically every car owned until the Mercedes
are all manuals.
My next car will be too.
So that's how I learned.
But yeah.
NC Miata.
A good car to learn on.
Very forgiving.
It starts easily too when you stall it.
Yep.
It's good.
Good first cars.
I don't know if the Fiat 500 factored into your life.
It did.
I remember that car.
What about you?
Where'd you learn?
I learned a couple places.
Like at the simultaneous times.
One is my friend Tristan.
His parents had a V70 manual.
So a Volvo wagon that was available briefly.
And a Mark IV Golf manual.
So I drove that Mark IV Golf around a bunch.
I think the first actual time was with my friend's dad, Pete.
Shout out to Pete and Neewold.
They had a Mazda Proter J5 manual.
And so we went out driving for a while.
So you learned on kind of interesting cars.
Yeah.
Not valuable cars, but good cars.
Okay.
Where'd you learn?
That would be good.
Early 90s.
I want to say 91.
Nissan hard-body pickup.
Yeah.
My neighbor had it mostly for gardening.
So it smelled like some combination of fertilizer, manure.
It's what you do in Ohio.
Yeah.
Midwest generally.
Yeah.
You only drive in the spring.
She still has it.
And was like texting me the other day because the exhaust rotted
out and no one would repair it because the car is worth less
than the piping to do this.
And was like, can you please help me?
And I'm like, I'm fundamentally attached to,
but I learned to drive on that.
I, no one ever taught me.
She just like gave me the keys and was like,
you want to learn manual, go for it.
So I got pulled over very early on because I was blowing
stop signs just in second because I didn't want to go down
to first and risk stalling out.
And so the cop let me off.
They was very nice, kind of understood.
And then I kept forgetting to take the parking brake off.
And so when I returned it to her,
the parking brake was just decimated.
I had to like go around with like a brick in the trunk
and use it as a parking chalk.
And then, you know, apologize and replace her parking brake
for her.
This is the most Nick story.
Because I can picture you doing that today.
Yeah.
It has happened once or twice since, but.
That whole story is so you.
That's perfect.
The car's still out there.
I actually was just the family friend.
We were just with like two weeks ago in Florida.
So she still got it.
Very cool.
All right.
Hit us with another question.
All right.
This is the question just for Doug and or Felipe.
So I'm sorry.
Neither of you can answer.
If you were broke,
what cheap daily would you get to drive around?
And Nick, that means so broke that you can't afford the maintenance
on a P 38.
The car may be free, but you still can't afford it.
It isn't for everyone.
I'll give you that.
Just got.
Honestly, I think that a lot of my actual,
actual cars apply.
I had a 2014 Ford Focus hatchback with a stick.
And those are the only problem that those cars have really was
the trans is the automatic transmission,
the dual shift or whatever they call it.
And so if you have a manual one,
they're incredibly reliable.
They're incredibly efficient.
They're more comfortable than you'd expect.
They're capable for doing long trips.
They're pretty fun to drive.
And I would 100% go back to one.
So you're talking like five random below.
Sure.
In essence, what car would you buy for five grand?
Buy some of that.
Cause they're also underappreciated.
Like a lot of $5,000 cars.
If you want on a cord or a Civic or whatever,
you pay a large premium because those are known for being
quite reliable.
The Ford Focus of that generation doesn't have that reputation,
but it's all because of a single point of failure that you can avoid.
Not all, but it's largely because of that.
I think in general, one thing I have learned,
and we talked about this a couple of podcasts ago,
is that a lot of like these survivors like Chrysler,
like products that are low mileage.
Like you can buy low, they're not worth anything.
They're not.
And I think, and those are cool and interesting.
It doesn't, they don't have many miles on.
So how unreliable can they be?
No comment.
I think they're interesting.
I mean, you fix them for not a whole lot of money.
Yeah.
A lot of these cars.
I don't really know what to search for to bring this up.
Which, what example?
A lot of your state surgeons will tell you that.
Actually, no, a Cayenne turbo, you can give like 10, 15.
Yeah.
Can you?
Or like an ML55 you can buy for about five grand.
Oh, ML55 is a good one.
Oh, you know what?
I mean, get the 500 and you have locking defs.
Do you remember this C55?
A C55 AMGs are really inexpensive in that, like general.
I mean,
This is starting to become bad financial advice.
Yeah.
Like I still think the move is the cheapest DV you can lease.
Oh, what?
150 bucks a month, 200 bucks a month.
Do you think that's something true?
No maintenance costs.
It's like, you don't have to take five grand out of pocket.
You're just cash filling 200 bucks.
I don't disagree with anything.
That's true.
That's a good point.
Most some lawns, clean some pools, you'll pay that off.
I do legitimately for, especially car people, do feel like,
Ken and T, your point, the not as well known for being reliable brands
often have reliable cars that you need to know a little bit more about.
And that's a great move.
Saturn.
Oh, that LW1.
Yeah.
This one, I mean, there's a good example.
There you go.
I wish someone would do a review.
Also it won't rust.
Saturn, a recent Saturn.
Look how nice this one was.
Yeah.
That's a nice, like, well-capped car, but nobody cares about these.
That's $71,000, $72,000.
Yeah.
That is an excellent choice.
I can't see you in one, but that's an excellent choice.
No, no.
But like, in that situation, like, yeah, I think that's a great choice.
Sub-five grand, $37,000.
No, I picked the manual car, but it's okay that you picked the automatic.
Well, you know, beggars can't be choosers, just to say, I guess.
But like, I mean, here, like, SA2, manual.
Love these.
Why don't you just steal?
You can still participate in radwood and be like, cool.
I know it's a little bit beyond the age range, but you'd be accepted.
Steal a Kia or Hyundai using a USB drive.
That's also an option.
It's illegal.
Great consumer advice from Nick as usual.
All right.
We're going to do two final questions.
One of them is going to be very, really quick, but it's a good question.
From Z51Singray, why do you call the Veyron the Vey when the better option would be the
Ron?
Because Ron is a guy who shows up to, like, it's like a plumber's name.
Like, I just want to, like, the Vey is like, there's no, you know what I'm talking about
when I say the Vey.
It's such a ridiculous name anyway.
I know it's named after their test driver and stuff like that, but the Ron is just like,
not at the oak I'm looking for for a supercar of that magnitude, the concord of our automotive
generation, you know?
Fair.
Yeah, I agree.
Ron is a nice guy.
He's helpful.
In college, I rushed a frat and they mistakenly wrote down my name as Rick instead of Nick.
And it stuck for, like, a year and I couldn't convince them and I don't know why, but, like,
Nick is such a better name than Rick.
Yeah.
Like, I feel the same way with Ron.
Like, Vey is just a better name.
I don't know how it's like.
It just feels right.
You're just against the letter R.
Yeah, maybe.
Unless it's the last name.
All right.
I'm going to take a variant of Tucker Beatty's question.
He asked specifically what is worse, the P38 or the L320.
But the question I'm going to change this to, because I want to raise-
What a flawed premise.
Is Nick, an only Nick, please rank the Ranger of Regenerations from the best to worst.
We've been asked this previously.
Yeah, we never got your-
We never got Nick's take.
Which boy will it be wrong?
Yeah, I don't, that is a tough one.
I love them all.
This is like picking your favorite child.
I know it's hard.
You're going to put P38 as number one, which is wrong.
No, I do think, I feel strongly the P38 is better than the R or C and the market is wrong.
Okay.
The P38 is a better R or C in every way.
Just doesn't look as old.
It's only downgrade.
Go on, please.
I think the L405 is the best, especially in Cabriolet format.
It's just such a good value.
The L322, I've never driven one, so I don't know.
Where are you going to put it?
I'll put it slightly above the P38.
I'm going 405, 322, R, R, C, and then the new one can be last.
The L460.
Wow.
That's a surprisingly not that controversial take.
I really thought we were going to have P38 at the very top.
I forgot he just bought.
I've spent months trying to get this P38 check engine like to go away.
Months.
I planned to release a video on this like a year ago.
I'm still battling it.
I think it's finally getting me to my like a little bit off the P38 high horse.
Thank God.
I'm stunned that you're stunned.
Sorry, this is going to be difficult.
You were given a P38.
What did you think was going to happen?
We all told you.
You said this in the entire car.
We're all in the same car at the time.
Erupted saying, Nick, don't do this.
I agree.
Although it is like a weird sentimental thing.
My kid is like nice.
I should have done that.
No, because he would have still spent the 15 grand and maintenance on it.
Just he would have had to also pay for the car.
Yeah.
I do.
I do agree that a nice one is still going to be expensive to own.
But yeah, the other Borrego one there that 10,250.
I was the underbidder at 10 grand.
That might have been a better starting point.
Yeah.
Have I proven nothing to you?
You start with a nice one.
Make it nice.
What's great about the P38?
You can work on it so easily.
I did the injectors myself.
I did all these things myself.
Compared to the Arnaj, it's just so DIY friendly.
Look at that thing.
What are you into your P38?
It doesn't matter.
Can you share what you told our friend group earlier today?
What color do you think you might wrap your P38?
My buddy has a Tesla that got wrapped into you on it.
So I hit him up and I'm like, hey, what did they charge you?
And then I reach out to them for $1,350.
They will wrap it yellow.
And it's not using like s-stack or expel.
It's like cheetah or something like that as the brand.
Great.
And for an extra $100, they'll meet me at the border
and do that part themselves.
But I kind of want to like-
You have a yellow one.
The P38 looks like the easiest to wrap car I've ever seen.
So I don't think you could screw it up that bad.
And then I could have my yellow one back again, but without-
You never should have sold this car.
You sold it too soon.
Would you go for Vitesse yellow or Borrego yellow?
I think I go Borrego.
Are they the same?
Let me put it this way.
No, I think they're different.
Cheetah is not making-
It'll be whatever cheetah makes.
Bright yellow.
Fair enough.
The Vitesse, by the way, was AA yellow, apparently.
You should choose a better color.
Yellow?
Do those cheetah offer cheetah print?
Because that's like a little yellow.
I think they charge extra if it's a print.
And I don't want to spend any more than I have to on this car.
You can't make it a color that was sold by the company.
Like Michael Jordan's P38 is also appealing,
but yellow is kind of my thing.
We have to end this conversation.
We have an aneurysm.
We really do.
All right.
Nick, thank you for joining us.
A pleasure as always.
Are we saying thank you for that?
He still wonders why he's called Crazy Nick.
I know.
This podcast is perfect.
A very rational human.
All right.
Well, thank you for listening to what is certainly the best ever podcast.
The best podcast we've ever done.
Next week, Doug will be back.
Right.
Normality will instead be gone.
And I will be gone.
Goodbye.
Rest in peace.
Thank you also for watching and listening.
Goodbye.
Goodbye.
Bye.
About this episode
GM rumors point to three new rear-wheel-drive cars starting production in September 2027: a new Camaro, a new Cadillac CT5, and a Buick sedan—sparking debate about whether luxury sedans still have a market. Nick also shares his latest purchase: a convertible Range Rover (L405) he won at auction, complete with quirky conversion details. Other news covers Hyundai’s American-themed off-road concept (the “Boulder”), Infiniti chasing an Escalade V rival with 700 hp, Jaguar doubling down on EV-only, and Porsche teasing a mysterious new 911 variant. The market report highlights strong resale trends for manual Cayenne GTS, GT350s, and 997s, plus auction lessons on presentation.
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Chapters:
00:00:00 CAR NEWS
00:00:20 New Camaro and CT5?
00:00:55 Buick Electra Orbit Concept
00:04:17 New Freelander
00:06:56 Infiniti QX80 R-Spec
00:10:52 Chubbies
00:12:04 Hyundai Boulder SUV
00:17:27 Jaguar Sticking with EVs
00:22:34 Jaguar Steering Wheel
00:24:25 New Porsche 911 Variant
00:28:26 Saily
00:29:23 Ford GT Nurburgring Record
00:31:14 Speed Cameras
00:33:55 Lewis Hamilton & Kim Kardashian in an F40
00:35:41 TALK CARS
00:35:54 Nick Bought a Convertible Range Rover
00:41:54 Omega Law
00:43:12 Filippo's Family Foxbody
00:47:43 Nick's Baby Oil Burnout Story
00:48:54 Kennan's Indian Motorcycle Experience
00:53:34 MARKET REPORT
00:53:38 Velocity Invitational
00:54:19 Some Upcoming Cars & Bids Events
00:55:16 Manual Cayenne GTS Market Report
00:59:02 GT350s & 997s Are Going Up
01:01:14 Proof That Presentation Matters
01:04:28 Filippo Sold His BBS LM Wheels
01:05:32 QUESTIONS!
01:06:10 Which Automaker Would You Have Create A One-Off Car For You
01:09:16 What Is Your Learning Manual Story?
01:12:34 If You Were Broke, What Cheap Daily Would You Have?
01:15:53 The Vey or The Ron?
01:16:54 Nick Ranks the Range Rover Generations
01:20:58 Conclusion
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