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Toyota GR GT
The GR GT is a sports car made by Toyota that is designed for high performance. It includes special features that make it faster and more exciting to drive.
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twin-turbocharged V8
A twin-turbocharged V8 is an engine with eight cylinders that has two turbochargers. These turbochargers help the engine produce more power and run more efficiently.
Term
hot V
A 'hot V' is a type of engine design where the turbochargers are placed inside the V shape of the engine. This helps the engine respond faster and perform better.
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turbocharger
A turbocharger is a part that helps an engine produce more power by pushing more air into it. This makes the engine run better and faster.
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horsepower
Horsepower is a way to measure how powerful an engine is. The higher the horsepower number, the faster and stronger the car can be.
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Toyota Supra
The Toyota Supra is a popular sports car that many people love for its speed and style. It's often modified to make it even faster and more powerful.
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Lexus LFA
The Lexus LFA is a super-fast sports car that looks very unique and is built for performance. It has a special engine that makes it really exciting to drive.
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Mazda Rx7
The Mazda RX-7 (FD) is a type of sports car that uses a special rotary engine. It's known for being light and fun to drive, and many people love it for its great handling.
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powertrain
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V8
A V8 engine has eight cylinders that help it produce a lot of power. It's often found in powerful cars and trucks because it can make them go fast.
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Toyota GR86
The Toyota GR86 is a fun, small sports car that is designed for people who enjoy driving.
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twin turbo V8
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Formula 1
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Toyota RAV4 GR Sport
The Toyota RAV4 GR Sport is a sportier version of the regular RAV4 SUV, designed for better handling and performance.
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Vantage S
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Nissan GT-R
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EV
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Lexus LC
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hybrid drivetrain
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Toyota MR2
The Toyota MR2 is a small sports car made by Toyota. It's famous for being fun to drive because it has its engine in the middle, which helps it handle well.
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turbo four-cylinder
A turbo four-cylinder engine is a small engine with four parts called cylinders. It uses a special device called a turbocharger to make more power, which helps the car go faster without needing a bigger engine.
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TRD Pro
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Alfa Romeo 4C
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Ferrari 296
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Porsche Boxster
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Lotus
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>> And there's a lot to cover. Starting
with the biggest news story of the week,
the GR GT, which has some sort of turbo
hybrid.
>> Yep. 4 liter twin tur 4 liter twin
turbocharged V8.
>> It's a hot V. Do you know what that is?
>> Oh, I know what a hot V is.
>> It means the turbocharger is like inside
of the engine or something.
>> It's not flipper wearing a V-neck. It's
although hot V.
me.
>> Uh, okay. 640 horsepower. Obviously, tip
only, sadly. No one's talking price yet,
including Lexus Toyota. They won't tell
us what it
>> They've said it would be over in the six
figures is what they've hinted at.
>> We've seen speculation in the 200 range.
>> We know that, but I was thinking that
this car would compete in terms of the
Halo car against the AMG GT
>> because it looked like it has the same
engine as it,
>> but but from what I'm understanding,
people are talking 300,000, which is a
lot of money. There's also the Lexus
version which is EV only, right?
>> Uh, is that true?
>> Yes.
>> Can we discuss the fact that this is not
the most attractive of automobiles?
>> I was astonished when this was revealed.
Like it looks purposeful, but I thought
it would be a smoother design.
>> Like just sort of like a swoopy smooth.
Like the LC is really cool. The Supra
has like a very smooth design language.
>> I know. But think about it really. I
mean like the LFA the last like super
car they did not exactly what you call
smooth and these days angular aggressive
is like the thing that people every
manufacturer does
>> just it just it's just not I was I was
just thinking it was going to be like a
like a teardropy smooth kind of
situation
>> you're hoping for like an RX7 an FD
looking
>> but like that's what the Supra looks
like if you see a Supra that is that car
car does not have a lot of ugly angles
and I'm s I'm honestly surprised now a
lot of people insult a lot of new cars
when they first see them.
>> And that could be what's going on here.
But I am a little bit surprised. I I
will say I'm very impressed with the the
powertrain, the whole situation. We're
going to do a V8. That's awesome. So
many people are getting away from that
stuff.
>> I'm glad they're going to do a GT3
version of it and take it racing as
well. I think that's really important
for their brand and it'll be cool.
>> And it's cool that the road going
version is not just an homologation car.
It's like a standalone road car based on
>> It also is rear wheel drive. And and I
think that that's important to mention,
too. You know, it's funny because Toyota
doesn't get a lot of credit for being
like the performance brand, but they got
Supra, they got GR86, and here they come
with a twin turbo V8 with rear wheel
drive. How many people are still doing
this?
>> I agree. Not only that though, like with
the competition thing, they're also
sponsoring HOS for in Formula 1 like a
lot of manufacturers are. So, like
they're taking performance very
seriously. We have, and to prove that,
we have right here in the office the new
Rav 4 GR Sport, which folks, I got to
tell you, this car,
>> it handles,
>> it's got a wing. It's got C, can you
tell me? Can you Can you Can you tell me
what do you think the GR upgrade, the
non-cossmetic GR upgrades are to this
GR?
>> GR tune suspension.
>> GR suspension. Can you name any others?
>> The the it's the more powerful.
>> No, same power.
>> All right. Well, I don't I got nothing
then.
>> There are no more. It is just the
suspension, but GR is generally serious
with some exceptions such as this RAV 4,
which by the way has a $53,000 sticker.
>> I go back to the price of this. So, it
had apparently will have about 641
horsepower, 3,800 lb. Y
>> they at the press launch, they asked uh
the project manager asked people to kind
of like think about other cars in that
same like price point, PowerPoint. The
AMG GT Pro is $200,000 and has 63
horsepower, weighs a little bit more.
The Vantage S has 671 horsepower, weighs
the same as 235 base price, right? It'll
be in that category,
>> do you think?
>> Which is high for a Toyota.
>> 200,000 I think it could sell. GTRS were
in that range at the end and and they
weren't selling, but it was also a
15-year-old car and it's still a
desirable car, as we'll talk about later
in this podcast.
>> Um,
>> but 300 it become I don't know. It'll be
interesting.
>> The goal apparently for the LFA or
whatever they're calling the Lexus one,
which is EV, is 350 or under.
>> Yeah. I'll be honest. If they're going
to do an EV Lexus one, there will be no
interest in it. It will not sell and no
one will care about it. The only one
that people will care about is, keep in
mind, it's funny that they're even
talking about that considering that they
just cancelled the hybrid version of the
LC because no one was buying it. In this
segment, people want one thing, a big
old engine and some big old power.
>> Yeah, but I think the the LFA concept is
just that, a concept. So, I I suspect
they could change it to a hybrid
drivetrain or whatever.
>> Or maybe they want to kind of push
electrification. They want to have a
halo card for that even before they have
mainstream models.
>> Yeah, I bet the market doesn't.
>> They might not care.
>> Very interested in this obviously as a
Ford GT owner.
>> Oh, nice.
>> Well, don't you think that this is sort
of the Ford GT of Toyota's current
lineup?
>> Let me think about that.
>> It's going to race. It's positioned in
the same place. Why not? Same
horsepower.
It's the It's a similar idea. It's a
It's a mainstream brand that sells Camry
like Ford was selling Tauruses back in
Canada.
>> You get my point. My car was built in
the US. Yeah, but her
>> is Steve Saline going to help build
these cars.
>> I do always think it's cool when a
mainstream brand actually act because
they don't have to do this,
>> right? They sell in Rav 4 Woodlands by
the truckload that they are.
>> They don't have to do this. This is
cool. This will be cool. I'm excited to
see it. And on that subject, the other
big Toyota news this week is the MR2,
which is apparently imminent.
>> Yeah, they've reddone the patents or
trademarks or whatever for the name MR2.
It'll be a GR MR2 apparently. So there's
there so in other words and not a Toyota
GRMR2 like the GR Corolla etc. There is
talk that it may possibly actually be
sold under the GR brand as like a new
brand is like the first car for this new
brand. I will say the speculation is
that this car will use a turbo force 2
liter turbo four-cylinder with 400
horsepower mid-mounted.
>> If that's true and if it has three
pedals
>> which is possible because they're not
talking EV. You start to wonder why do
you buy a Lotus? Like
>> you start to wonder why do you buy
anything else? Yeah, that's very
appealing if they do that.
>> It also looks cool. It doesn't look that
cool, but it looks pretty cool.
>> You know, I don't know. In reference to
these other like AI generated looks
pretty cool.
>> This is this is if this is real 400
horse midine. Let's talk manual. No
one's saying it, but let's talk. They're
doing the GRGT. Toyota is like in our
hearts and minds. They got the whole
line of TRD pros, including the vaunted
and famed Seoia. Like
>> this is a this is real stuff. This is
really cool. Don't you like this?
>> I do like this. I could do without the
one square they didn't paint on the
wheel. Uh that just other than that,
>> uh I think it is I think it is really
cool. It looks like a 4C in a lot of
ways. I I don't know. And I I just But
good.
>> But good. And a 296 in a little little
bit in there.
>> Okay.
>> There's lotus. There's a little Lotus in
the front end. This
>> looks cool.
>> This thing is cool. If this came out
truly with a 400 horse mid engine and a
manual
>> and a manual
>> and a manual, which I think Toyota has
learned because their other two sports
cars, the Supra and the G86, both have
manuals
>> and the Jerk Roll came out as manual
only.
Now the GR Sport Rav 4, they are not
doing a three-pedal version. They've
decided they've unless the market really
demands it. What would be the market
share for that? 0.0000.
>> No one would.
>> I don't know. Someone would buy it. Then
it' be like the V6 Cayen on site, 70 80
grand.
>> In 2030 years, it'll be an $85,000 car.
>> Of course, developing a manual for nine
people would probably be an $85,000 car
new. Anyway, I'm super pumped for what's
coming out of Toyota right now. In an
era where a lot of automakers are giving
up on any sort of fun cars, especially
cars with uh gas power,
>> ice engines, this thing is these two
cars are like, "Whoa, wait a minute.
Toyota and and part of the reason
they're able to do this is because they
sell so many hybrids and all these
things. They can they can actually give
us cars like this.
>> They were successful. They did their
homework. They ate their vegetables and
now they can have fun.
>> That's that's exactly what it is.
They're like the person who saved all
this money and put it in index funds and
retire at 55. Meanwhile, Chrysler was
out here running around with no idea.
Not paying the Canadian government.
>> No. Not been
>> They're eating burgers, building Vipers
in the 90s, and now they're screwed.
>> That's exactly right.
>> So true. They were screwed then, too,
though. It makes you feel better.
>> Yeah, that's true. Chrysler has been a
difficult story. If this thing comes out
though, I am I'm excited about the GR
GT. Obviously, it's going to be super
cool, whatever. But that's going to be
an unattain expensive, right? This is
really cool.
>> A mid-enine car. Even if it's going to
be 60, which I bet it will be.
>> I bet it will be. Y
>> that's pretty cool. Think about what's
competing at 400 horsepower. You're
talking about Boxster. You're talking
about Lotus.
>> Did you Prelude?
>> At that price point. Yep.
>> Yep.
with two options. You're at 60. All
right. What's our next news story?
Nothing.
>> Yes. So, at the beginning of the of the
year, we talked about Lewis Hamilton
going to Ferrari in this very famous
picture of him now in front of the F40
and everybody's very excited. Well, we
were also excited because Ferrari said
they were potentially considering doing
the idea of a supercar with him. The F44
was, you know, kind of the idea was
going to be kind of an homage to the
F40, not the thing that came out earlier
this year. It's going to be different.
Well, Lewis hasn't had the best season
in Formula 1. It's actually the worst
season of his career. Uh, and Ferrari,
there's been, if you've listened to any
interviews with him, he is not hot about
the team, the brand, anything. It's all
gone quite poorly. And as a result,
Ferrari has reportedly shelved canceled
or at least shelved the F44 project. So,
they're not thrilled either, it seems.
>> How long is Hamilton going to stick
around at Ferrari?
>> I don't know. There was something at
Sebastian Vetel this or was Nico Rosberg
said that he should not leave Ferrari
yet. He should stick around for a little
bit.
>> Well, maybe there's car trouble. You
know, at the start of this year, I
predicted this would happen and you
said, "NO WAY. IT'S HAMILTON. He's going
to be great." And I said, "He's too old.
He's not going to succeed." You can wind
down the tape. Someone Someone hit us.
>> You also noticed that I said, "This year
is not relevant. It will be next year
that matters." Which is what every
Ferrari fan has said for the past 19
years now.
>> All right, dude. Let's go on next year
then. He's only next year's a big year.
The entire formula changes. The cars are
completely different. DRS goes goes
away. It's
>> the most important thing. Yeah. No more
DRS, dude. The most important thing,
>> that's a huge deal in Formula 1.
>> Cadillac is running and they will win.
America. America, dude. Think about
everything this country has given you,
that sweater.
>> You couldn't wear that in Italy. It'd be
taken seriously.
>> Yeah, it's true. Not South The good news
for Lewis is that he made $60 million
this year, and so he's okay.
>> Is that true?
>> Something like that. They pay they pay
him a lot, but he paid 60 mil to lose
and not get enough.
>> No. and he won the only thing Ferrari
won all year, which was a sprint race,
which doesn't count for anything. But
there are some points, you know, but it
was that I mean, man, Ferrari had
another abysmal year, and he seems
depressed, and it looked like it was
>> Take the picture in the rain. I mean,
>> no, that's a Well, the picture's badass.
>> Northern Italy.
>> Well,
yeah.
>> Plus, they took away his house.
>> They took away his house.
>> Oh, that's right. That's right. Our
producer insists that Ferrari gave Lewis
Hamilton Enzo's house. They probably
didn't take it away, but I bet you he
ain't using Nope.
>> I bet you he ain't calling anybody like,
"Hey, come to Stanzo's house this week."
I bet I bet there's not a lot of that
going.
>> Showed up in the rain after race and
they change the lock.
>> So, what happens uh next year in the
Formula 1? When does it start?
>> So, it start first race is the first
weekend of March. Uh
>> March coming around the corner.
>> The formula changes periodically, but
this one is is pretty big. The goal was
they wanted to make the car the racing a
lot tighter. So, a lot of aerodynamic
changes. Like I said, the drag reduction
system DRS goes away. So we say country
with a poor human rights record is the
first race.
>> I don't know. We'll somewhere in the
Middle East.
>> Philippo's like we gota we gota cut
that. Nope. No. I feel no such need.
>> No, we're not going back to Russia.
Filipo can't say anything bad about
Russians.
>> Okay. So in March it starts and that's
when you believe this year. Lewis
Hamilton turning 50 this year. This will
be his year.
>> Turning 50 this year.
>> Okay. But how old is he? He is
>> 40. Yeah.
>> He'll be turning 41 before the start of
the season here. Dude, I got to be
honest with you. The best drivers, like
that fellow who has all the career GT
and Monica, what's his name? The one
whose F40 got crashed by somebody.
>> Oh, Orlando Norris, the current Formula
1 world champ.
>> Okay, he won. Congratulations. You know
why he won? Cuz he's 12 years old. I'm
not screwing with you. He's 12 years
old.
>> He is approximately 12 years old. Yeah,
>> 26. That's the same thing. That's the
same thing.
>> We'll see. I I would I think
>> dude was born in 99. I I want to see
Lewis Hamilton win eight championships
and it would be great to see him win
with Ferrari. But admittedly, even as a
diehard Ferrari fan, I just don't know
how many more years I can take them
losing. This is 18 seasons
consecutively. They have switch to the
team that Lando Norris is on cuz he
seems to win a lot.
>> McLaren. Well, we'll see.
>> I'm going to tell you this and I'm
serious about this. Nobody in the future
of the entirety of Formula 1 who was
alive while the Infiniti J30 was in
production will ever win championship
ever again. Mark my words, it'll never
occur. Pull up a J30 if you want.
>> No,
>> nobody in the history I think we
probably
>> We have We have offered at least one.
>> Let's see.
>> Have we?
>> Oh, wow. There you go. This car, if you
were alive at the time of this car, you
will not ever win a Formula 1
championship. Sorry.
>> Sorry. Everybody born in 1995
>> or 397. That's when it end.
>> We agree with that.
>> I will say 50 production years. Kenan,
do you think that if if he wins next
year and he's still with Ferrari, they
will build the F44?
>> I think if he Yeah, if he's able to win
a championship, absolutely. But that
said, also Michael Schumacher won a lot
of championships with Ferrari. There's
no Michael Schumacher edition. Anything.
Meanwhile, Fernando Alonzo got the
BS599. What do you
>> Schumacher edition? The whole company
was a Schumacher edition for like 15
years.
>> Well, that's that's I know what you're
saying.
>> Wait. Um, you know what? He won't win
though.
>> He was born. He was alive during the J30
production. Give us our next news story.
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>> All right. This is the fiat toolino.
It's a little mouse. That's what it's
literally called.
>> Really? That's what it means.
>> Yeah. Uh, it is coming to the US.
>> So, a couple weeks ago, uh, Donald
Trump, the president went to Japan or
somewhere was talking about about K
cars. It was a weird phrasing. Thank you
for clarifying. Uh I thought I should uh
>> uh he he said that basically that J that
the JDMK cars were cute and smart and so
Fiat uh and you know FCA generally
wanting to be on on the president's good
side is bringing the Topolino to the US.
>> So the Topolino is theoretically coming
to the US. Is it going to be coming with
uh a rope people out of club?
>> We don't know. We really don't know. But
I can. The one that's sold in the in the
EU is an 8 horsepower, 5.5 kWh battery,
has zero range. It's 44 in shorter, 43
inches shorter, excuse me, than a 500De.
>> You know, I was looking I was looking at
pictures. This one of the press photos
shows um a plug. And you know what the
plug is? It's a household.
>> Yeah, cuz it's a small battery. It's
like your phone.
>> It's European household.
>> Yeah, but it is 110. Is that
>> presumably that's what it is in Europe.
>> Really?
>> It's a house. Dead serious. If you look
up press photos of the plug, it comes
out of like thereish and it's just a
household plug.
>> I mean, think about it. It's a really
small battery. Truly, it's a
>> What is the full range?
>> Uh 47 miles in Europe, which which means
30 in the US.
>> Yeah, cuz European miles are different
than US miles.
>> The the the the WLTP cycle that they use
is much more generous than
>> more compact. So, they decided the miles
4100 ft. They're like, you know, we
don't need uh American so big over
there. It would probably be sold under
the same low speed neighborhood electric
vehicle regulations, not as a car.
Doesn't have to be license plated in
most states.
>> Everyone is excited about Trump saying
that he's into K.
>> The truth is though, Trump can't just
say things. I mean, he can and he does
often.
>> That doesn't mean,
>> but it doesn't necessarily happen. In
fact, often the stuff that he says does
not happen. And in this case, there's 10
zillion regulations that prohibit K
cars, which by the way are annoying.
Let's remove all the regulations. Let's
do a free market, dude. No more no more
chicken tags. Let's get those pickup
trucks in.
>> I do like some of the safety
regulations. I'm supportive.
>> The safety regulations would happen
anyway. New Zealand, okay, has zero
regulations because the market's not
large enough to regulate.
>> And guess what? All cars in New Zealand
still airbags and back.
>> There's not enough because they they're
not going to make a separate car.
Although Mexico also has relatively few.
There are vehicles sold there where they
remove the airbags for sale.
>> They do not remove every car in Mexico's
got airbags. Drive around.
>> You'd be surprised. There are some
massively decontented cars. Everybody in
Mexico is driving around with airbags
except for the ones that they've that
they've
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Uh, next next one, please. Oh.
>> Oh,
>> a safari and boden boden.
>> This is the Inos Grenadier game viewer.
>> Inos announced this week that they're
building the game viewer. Uh, it's being
built in Batswana. So, they're taking
like a stretched
>> Grenadier, sending it to Batswana where
they will build custom Safari ready
Grenadier.
>> I mean, that is Yeah, that's kind of
where you want to build them. That's not
a bad idea. uh highly so desperate to
sell cars that they've decided okay
>> game reserves in Batswana that's their
target audience
>> they are longer than the normal one
>> have you seen a pickup truck on the road
>> yes one
>> it was right next to the dealer of auto
drive
>> I've seen one there's a guy on Nantucket
to go and that's it I haven't seen one
in California expensive
>> have you seen a pickup do you know that
there is a pickup
>> no I haven't seen one
>> the uh quarter master
>> quarter masters right
>> I reviewed one it was fun
>> yeah it was great uh but this is the
game viewer you'll see it if you go on
safari at like really
>> there is no place to buy a BMW
turbocharged engine.
>> They are sticking to the 70 series.
>> There must be for years that the guys
that run Indios presumably have
investments across might have their own
games. They will sell them to game
appeal to a very certain clientele but
even then they'll have a fleet of
Toyotas in the background for when these
things cause
>> Let me as someone who has done this and
has been on safari for several weeks in
Batswana. I suspect that the 7DC series
will always
>> You want an MDX. You want open
differential.
>> You want an MDX?
>> Acura.
>> Open MDX. Here's what you do. You take
an MDX.
>> An Acura MDX. Just for clarity.
>> Yeah. Yeah. You pull the roof off.
>> Which gen?
>> Uh the 07 one that was really ugly when
it debuted, but has since sort of
morphed into also still ugly, but in a
different way. Do you know what I'm
saying?
>> Yeah. 270 horsepower, 3.5.
>> It was a 37.
>> Oh, it was a 37 by then. You're right.
I'm so sorry.
>> 270 horsepower, 3.7. Ken, would you be
proud to ride around looking at zebras
in this? Would you think the zebras
would be
>> I mean, I prefer to drive my own truck
and that's what we did and that's that's
what I prefer to do. And I would always
pick a land.
>> Ship your M5 there and drive it. I mean,
your own truck.
>> I set my own truck, right?
>> Yeah. Well, rent.
>> Did I stutter? I guess 65. He dropped
his he dropped his rent tune on on on
the hippos. I don't know what's coming.
>> Well, hell yeah. I mean, there's B58
under that hood. Someone's going to tune
the out. I I I should note by the way
that Indios bought the people in
Batswana that are doing this that
they're called people in Batswana
Botswana.
>> The British have already got a history
and don't go watch your language here.
>> I think my language was probably for the
reality on the ground.
>> There's a company that that has a
factory that makes vehicles.
>> Kabango Engineering apparently used to
convert Land Cruisers and Land Rover
Defenders and Inos bought that company
and it's making diesel. Can I tell you
something? If you if you go on street
view in Africa.
>> Sure.
>> You know what cars you see?
>> Large continent.
>> You know what cars you see?
>> Right.
>> Yeah. Don't you not in populated Africa
but like West Africa and like all the
you know what cars you see 100% of the
time?
>> American cars that are no longer used in
America that are No, no, no. It's always
fair. Siennas and Corollas and Matrixes
and cars that were sold new here in
Nebraska and driven by some old lady and
she has no idea that her old car is now
in Ghana, you know, driving 14 people
around. Do you think that Pontiac Vibes
are cheaper than Toyota?
>> Dude, there's a ton of Vibes. If you
like,
>> Do you think the price differential
exists? No. It's all in Africa, it's all
about utility. And everybody in Africa
knows the one. Yeah.
>> If you go on Africa Street View, Ghana
Street View is wild. It's You're like,
"Wait a minute, that's my mom's old
Sienna."
>> Yeah. Yep. That's true.
>> I'm glad it's uh what what else we got?
Any more news?
>> All right. Lotus.
>> This is a Lotus Litra.
>> Oh, yeah. It's famously an electric SUV
that somehow costs $250,000 in the US.
They are for sale in the US.
>> Can go ahead. Go ahead and finish the
story. I want
>> There it's been an EV only that has like
900 something horsepower. Uh Doug maybe
has a review with one. He has to be the
only person that's ever seen one.
>> I've reviewed a full electric.
>> Right. That's all that that there has
been up till today when now apparently
they're going to start building a
plug-in hybrid one uh that has a 2 L
4-cylinder uh and apparently 940ish
horsepower.
>> Great. That'll be
>> more powerful.
>> Lovely. Can you go to um can you type in
Lotus Electra for sale?
>> That's crazy.
>> All right. Just for sale. Uh it's T reus
for sale. Yeah, that's all. And then hit
images.
>> Okay.
>> Um this car is local. This one here, you
can actually click on it. Cars.com. Big
shout out. Tap on that. Uh, this car is
lo local here at Aston Martin of San
Diego. You can buy it today. It's an
Electra for $243,000.
Let me ask you this. Is this the least
desirable $243,000 car?
>> Now, can you think of any Probably some
356.
>> Yeah. Well, always. Um,
>> there's there are 356s that inexplicably
are worth 250 cuz they have one more
horsepower than, you know, only to Jerry
>> Seinfeld. From a performance
perspective, I can think of a worse
ratio like the multi-wind like
Volkswagen buses. Though it is a
desirable car because they're cool.
>> I don't think those are 250 grand
though.
>> I think they are.
>> This is the worst 2 certainly the worst
$250,000 new car.
>> So Lotus,
>> is it the worst new car overall?
>> It's up there. Lotus had a a tough
situation where they were going to sell
these for 100 something$120 130,000
>> where it was already going to be a
depreciation disaster
>> massively. Uh they were early to the
full EV luxury SUV game. It's a somehow
6,000lb Lotus, which doesn't make sense.
Add lightness
a little bit too much.
>> Colin Chapman vision envisioned this
vehicle when he was creating the uh
but then it was built it's built in
China and therefore there's a 100%
tariff on it.
>> Yeah, that that made pricing a little
tough.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that won't change with the gas
one. I'm not sure the gas one's coming
to the US cuz
>> why would they bother?
>> Yeah. Uh, it is based on a different
Zeke Chinese EV or plug-in hybrid. It's
using the same power.
>> Tough situation here. Yep.
>> But you know what?
>> Lotus took a risk. Lotus took a risk and
it really failed.
>> Really failed.
>> Yep.
>> Sometimes your numbers come up and
sometimes they don't.
>> I will say producing in China was a risk
from the beginning. There tariffs were
always a threat against China. Even
Biden had them. The US market's never
going to like these things heavily. The
Lotus brand presumably is not very
strong in China. So, it's not like
they're even recording a lot of sales
there by
>> Yeah, I know. But it's not like the
Chinese are like Lotus. They don't know.
They don't have any history with this
brand. And even if they did, the history
would be the same as everybody else's
history, which is that the brand has
largely been a failure for our entire
lives.
>> But don't you kind of want an Amir?
>> No. Uh, I want that MR2.
>> I'd like to drive one. I'm
>> like I want that MR2.
>> If they do a stick of that MR2 and it
feels fast,
>> 400 horsepower should
>> I would review it well, but not buy it.
>> Yep. That's Yep. That sounds right. We
got any more news? I got one more news
story.
>> So, it's all designed.
>> This is my all-time favorite car.
>> I'm sad that the picture for this wasn't
the guy in the bicycle looking
>> who's like looking at it like it's all
designed, famous for designing the
Columbus, of course, but also the first
generation Golf, the BMW M1, a bunch of
other cars that we know and love and
other cars that are hideous. Uh they've
done both. Uh that was founded by Getto
Jaro. Uh Audi and Lamborghini have owned
them for a while. Yeah, Audi or
Lamborghini all owned by Audi uh have
sold the majority stake of it to a
company called US
>> and on their website US is like like the
subline is we don't just use AI we
reimagine industries with it and they're
located in like San they're located in
Orange County. So, so Ital Design is
owned by a company that's headquarters
is off the off Jambbury Road off the 73.
That's that's what we're at now. Atel
Design, this is a company that gave us
some of the all-time most most famous
car. Jujaro was working for these guys.
>> Well, luckily there's good news about
that. I mean, they they're an AI based
company. Luckily, most of it designs
look like AI errors. Uh, so that's not
too bad. But the other thing, I guess,
is maybe this is maybe now's your
chance. Maybe now they'll be willing to
sell the Columbus.
>> Oh, that's such a good idea. and they're
just up the road. All I got to do is
drive up to 73
>> and be like, "Yo, I know that you guys
gave us some of the alltime greatest
cars in history,
>> but can you sell me this,
>> right? I value your heritage and I would
like to own a piece of it."
>> We We knew, by the way, we talked a few
months ago that Audi was looking to sell
at least a portion of it design. They
They're not using it.
>> I would I would offer them what this is
worth, too, honestly.
>> Yeah. Like
>> 50
>> $18,000. I I would give them every penny
of $18,000. I will say this is one of my
so traditionally PR announcements have
like where each company's from like the
location of the PR announcement and the
PR announcement for this has Germany
Monte Caleri Italy and Aliso VJO
>> Aliso Vjo
>> wow dude I'm telling you something the
Lotus is spree was an Italian design all
of the original Hyundai's the Delorean
the Subaru SVX one of your all-time
favorites yes the original Golf Jarro
was there the 159 every alpha the Brea
>> Oh the Yeah now here they are the M1 one
like you said and now here they are off
Jambburye Road.
>> They're actually on at five Polaris Way.
I don't no one knows where anything is
right off the 73 off of a park.
>> I'm going to tell you this and I'm not
trying to be a jerk to Orange County,
but once once you're inland Orange
County, there's no way to know where
anything is. You have to have a GPS even
if you live there and have lived there
your whole life.
>> So true. That's so true.
>> That's very true.
>> Uh okay, that's our last new story. What
a shame. A Cal Design the grand history.
>> Yep. They're now an AI company in Aliso
Viejo. Yep.
>> How the mighty have fallen.
>> Then again, don't forget the Courage GT
was designed in in a in a strip mall in
Huntington Beach. The greatest car ever
with a Formula 1 engine.
>> Never used.
>> I like the additional qualifications.
It's not the greatest car ever. Just the
greatest car ever that has a Formula 1
engine. Oh,
>> it was I was trying to say the greatest
car ever and it has a Formula 1 engine.
>> Okay, I got it.
>> Comma.
>> The By the way, you know what we're not
talking about today and we should be on
the news is that Hagerty released that
list where they always say what cars are
going to go up in value. Now, this list
is a little scary. It's like that Grammy
for best new artist cuz usually the cars
they pick go down in value.
>> Yeah, like the stop 900.
>> Like the SUB 900. A BIG pick of theirs
>> of which I'm a fan to be clear.
>> That would like a 50% decline after they
picked it. Any who, the career GT is on
the list. What are your thoughts on that
list there? Does it have anything else
good?
>> I mean, we can pull it up. We can we can
>> do we do we go pull it up?
>> Bull market list Hagerty. What's on
there?
>> Uh I seem to recall a bunch of other
good stuff. Uh, the the Alpha GTV is on
there.
>> Producer would be thrilled.
>> The C6 Z06 is on there. R33 Skyland GTR.
>> You know what truck? The 454 SS pickup.
>> Those are cool.
>> That is real. Uh, Mark III.
>> That is cool.
>> Golf Golf E60M.
>> That is a car that is absolutely going
up.
>> An NB Miata, which I can't imagine
>> does anything in value.
>> You know, I will say I think that
compared relative to the other cars on
this list, the Carrera GT will go up on
a percentage basis the most. These two
will not at all.
>> Actually, I think the Carrera GT will go
up in the value that it will cover the
rest of it group.
>> I feel like we in the aggregate they
want to
>> the Ram charger rate going up. You got
to wonder though, uh, you know, are they
running out of cars to put on the list?
>> No, I mean the GTV values plummeted in
the last year. So maybe they'll just
kind of take back up to where
>> is that a Studebaker Hawk? What is that?
>> Yeah, nobody knows.
>> We don't get into the old Hagerty.
>> It's a Continental Mark 2. Hagerty to
their credit has an incredible amount of
data and incredibly talented data
people. So I imagine there's reason
behind these choices.
>> There are many years where their list
has been actually pretty successful. The
cars have gone up, but there are some
years where it has.
>> And in 2021, what car wasn't?
>> Right. Some of their picks actually.
>> No, we love the people.
>> Anyway, credit's on there. The greatest
car made. And one of the things they
wrote in the article was that it's the
Formula 1 engine is probably a big
reason why it's going to continue to
rise.
>> Did they really? No.
>> No. Uh, and you want to know why? cuz
they're not idiots. That's why.
>> You want to know why they didn't write
that? Because Because uh it um I'm told
it doesn't have a Formula 1 engine.
>> Wow.
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>> All right, we got to get into the talk
car segment, which of course is
sponsored by uh Kenon's Rent tune.
>> Oh, yes. Uh horsepower.
>> Many badges are on this car to signify
it.
>> Yep. Three. Two of them. I'm going to
take off all three. But
>> the first the first big top cars that I
think we should talk about.
>> Yeah.
>> Is the Dougber arrival.
>> We should arrival.
>> Doug Simber is back. We're hitting it
hard this year. We are. We got the
Rivian new Rivian thing. The new Rivian
quad motor which was cool. The 93 turbo
announcement. The Citron DS. The Hyundai
Crater. And then this week the Cadillac
Celestic. Did you watch my Celesteic
video?
>> I have yet to watch. This is the only if
if you're going to
>> Oh, I will watch it. No, no, I will
certainly watch it.
>> There. This is some good stuff. Show us
the Celestic thing. You don't have to
click on it. Look at that. This is good
stuff. This is an American Rolls-Royce
for
>> I'm excited to watch.
>> The standard of the world has returned.
And how will it sell?
>> Poorly.
>> Okay.
>> And it's going to be a depreciation
disaster. Much like the Lotus Elite
Tree.
>> How much is a Okay. So, this feels uh
Lincoln Continental Coach Doores to me.
>> Yeah.
>> Where they did something different.
>> Luxurious doors open backwards.
>> It's 400 though,
>> right? But how much is like how much did
a Continental Coach door drop?
>> How much?
>> Has it Has it maintained value?
>> No.
>> Oh, it won't either.
>> No. This is going to be It's going to be
a tough resell. It's going to be a
tough. Do you want to share some of the
other things you have coming up in Doug
Simber for the people to look forward
to?
>> Uh yeah.
>> What are they?
>> Uh you've got a Singer review coming up.
>> Zinger, not Singer. If you thought be
thrilled it ain't. You don't have to sit
through one of those. It's the Zinger,
which we in the office call sizinger
because that's what it looks like, but
it's Zinger is apparently what it's
actually called.
>> Uh the Cadillac Voyage.
>> The Cadillac Voyage and the new RAV 4 GR
Sport.
>> Whoa. Wow. I'm buckled in.
>> You know what? You know what I also am
realizing? I totaled up I did how much I
spent on car repairs in 25. It didn't
include the Countach broke down after I
made that video. I made that video
December one and then the Countach
couldn't make it through the month.
>> Let's talk about that. That's my next
talk car is the Countach is back.
Countach broke down last week and uh and
it's back. It broke down I think on the
way to the pod last week and now it's
back.
>> It's back.
>> It was Tuesday last week. So it's back
eight days later. All good. drives
pristinely. What happened from the shop
to here?
>> The clutch master cylinder uh failed.
And you know what's interesting? Because
I went back and looked, this car had a
service in 2005 that was more than the
value of the car.
>> Wow.
>> Uh in 2005 it had a $75,000 service,
which in today's money has got to be
$150,000. And the car at that time was
worth maybe 75.
>> That's how cheap they were.
>> Oh yeah. Wow.
>> Oh yeah.
>> Maybe less. And um I went back and
looked and you know what part was not
replaced during that service? The master
cylinder. The slave was and the slave
hadn't failed, but I told them to just
replace the slave anyway.
>> You should replace them in tandem
anyway.
>> We replaced them together.
>> But wow. So it was original. I mean
either original or even older than that.
I don't have any records before that
service. It was 25 years ago.
>> Sure. Was that original or older?
>> Yeah. It came off a 350 GT.
>> Well, it was original or older than that
being older than that service that I'm
referencing. I don't know. It may be
newer than original.
>> You know what? If they did that much
work and didn't replace it, I I'd put
money on it being original. In which
case, it legitimately just didn't owe
you anything. It's just an old component
that's years.
>> Yeah. Couldn't tell. It's still going.
>> How did it feel with a new feel?
>> Oh, it it drives so well.
>> It It's just the greatest. Now, I will
say on the way back here, I hit 64,000
km, uh, which is 39,800
miles. So, I'm this close to 40,000
miles in that car.
>> Big 40.
>> 40,000 miles. I bought the car for those
of you keeping track at home with 37,000
almost exactly.
>> So 3,000 miles in the Countach.
>> Not bad in a Countach.
>> How many miles you put on it
>> on that Countach?
>> Yeah.
>> 12.
>> Have you driven it?
>> No.
>> Damn. Why not?
>> You have I haven't had an opportunity to
>> I've missed two opportunities to drive
that car and I It's I regret it every
day.
>> Oh, I don't think about it.
>> I was sick for one and then I was out of
town for I know Filipo, we know. We
understand it's not for you. The 993 has
problems, too.
>> What? Uh
>> oh.
>> Yeah. Yeah. There. Nothing major. Still
driving it every day.
>> With one of the four power seat
controls.
>> We put uh we got all four We got two
kids and two adults in the car.
Everybody's driving around and it's
great.
>> But uh you know, the car hasn't been
used like I'm using it in a long time.
I've driven it 3,000 mi in uh 60 days.
>> That's crazy.
>> Um and 3,000 mi before that it had been
many years. And so uh it's it's it's had
some issues. It hasn't broken down or
anything, but there's a a warning light
on that the fan belt has failed. Fan
belt's a big deal in that car because
it's air cooled. Um, it has not failed.
I checked that the the sensor has
failed. Yeah. Um, the glove box broke.
There's like little things. So, it's
going in as well for service. I mean,
>> 2026
>> 26.
>> Pretty normal to like you said, you just
got this car. There will be things that
you have to
>> you shake down. You discover some
things. Also, I've I was planning not to
do an oil change until the spring, but
I've driven it so much that now I kind
of have to do it right away. One, the
reason I brought these things up is
because this is car. This is owning cool
fun cars.
>> I agree.
>> They sometimes they break and you're on
a roll back and and the car goes in and
you got to do a master and slave
cylinder. Some days it's the glove box
breaks. This is if you want to have fun
cars, cool cars. This is the kind of
thing that happens.
>> Yes, I know. I've been doing this for a
decade.
>> Filippo on the other hand,
>> my cars don't break down. Are you going
to Yeah. Well, there
boring stuff. Can you tell us about the
situation? I I'm I'm in active
negotiations
>> on a car. We're not going to say which.
We're not going to talk about it, folks.
I know.
>> Kenan knows. People off camera know the
fellow he's negotiating with whose name
is Luke. He knows.
>> But we're not going to share it with you
until next week when Filippo drives the
car through our podcast.
>> That would be incredible. Slowly. I
don't want to damage it.
>> You feeling good that this is going to
happen? Like a very high likelihood,
too? Yeah, seems like a very high
likelihood.
>> I just don't want to be like scooped,
you know?
>> I'm a little
>> But by by Friday when this comes out, I
better own the car, but we'll see.
>> I'm a little bit anxious about you
driving an expensive car.
>> As I like you have not treated your
other cars well.
>> I would have to treat this marginally
nicer and more nicer.
>> No, no, no. Not marginally. I think you
got I mean like
>> I am I am also worried.
>> You won't be able to devote your garage
to woodworking projects anymore. I know
that is going to be a real issue with
>> Do you remember when the
>> Remember when he mounted the front plate
to the GTI and didn't and didn't clean
the bugs off the bumper?
>> Yep, I remember that. You
>> I washed it after.
>> Now I washed it after
>> when the when the front plate was
already on.
>> Uh I you and I did a video a while ago
about how to wash a car. I think that
will come in that will come in handy.
>> Do you know that when we went we did
this we did some desert thing. You'll
see it in a couple of weeks. Uh, and
when we went out there, his battery has
failed in this 500 bar and he just
starts it with a jump box every single
time.
>> It I want to be clear,
>> we filmed side, so it was like on brand.
But like
>> we we filmed a little series last week
which which was very fun. I hadn't
driven that Fiat in 3 weeks. I wasn't
aware the battery failed cuz it had sat
in my driveway undriven.
>> See?
>> And now I will get a new battery.
>> You will need to have this car on like a
battery tender if it's going to sit.
>> I plan on driving it quite regularly.
We're going down to So, here's what we
right now we own three cars. Three and a
half cars.
>> Uh the 500 Bar Cabriolet, the Volkswagen
GTI, and our Mercedes station wagon.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh we're going to get rid of two of
those.
>> Yeah.
>> And replace them with the car that I'm
buying. So, the GTI and the Bar are
leaving. And this car that I'm buying
will be the car that I drive around.
>> You know, he's also getting a carbureted
pickup truck.
>> Oh, right. I forgot about
>> inherited from my late father-in-law is
a 19 late7s F250.
>> How long you have to keep that thing?
Forever.
>> Forever.
>> A familial obligation requires forever.
>> Forever. No. That's not not gonna
happen.
>> For it'll be great. My My wife will will
love it.
>> No, she won't. She will really hate it
when it fouls up and like she needs
points. She dies.
>> Is it Does it drive? We don't know. So,
the the
>> You should here's an issue. I'm told my
late father-in-law was a mechanic.
>> My brother-in-law helped him with some
projects.
>> I'm told that they had it running like 6
months ago. It has since sat outside.
What's What motors is it? 351 Cleveland
420. Yeah, I hope so.
>> By all accounts, it ran recently enough.
It should be easy enough to get running.
I suspect it'll need brakes, tires, some
of the consumables, but that's easy.
>> Who's easy enough to get running? You're
not going to get this thing running.
>> I don't know. We'll figure it out.
>> I got to get it ready for How are you
going to get it here?
>> I will have to figure that out. It's
currently in Arizona.
>> May I suggest
>> I will rent a U-Haul trailer.
>> May I suggest using a Dodge Power Wagon?
>> I would love that.
>> They seem pretty heavy.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I suspect that I will
probably have to like rent a car that
can has a towing capacity and a hit.
>> You're going to tow this thing 12 hours.
>> It's 6 hours.
>> Not with towing.
>> Ah, seven.
>> No, no,
>> it's like nine.
>> It's got to be
>> especially you California towing speed
limit 55.
>> Especially you towing. Like you're going
to go him in a gas station with a with a
trailer backing up. Why is it going left
if I'm turning right? I don't
understand. I don't understand.
>> I have towed regularly before you have
regularly. When have you towed boats?
>> Last time we were out on the water 6
months ago. 6 months ago. Right around
>> actually once.
>> No, I I'M
ON THE WATER. I TOW BOATS.
>> Quite comfortable towing.
>> Sleepy.
I do lead a fascinating life. Thank you.
I'm quite comfortable towing. I just got
to get it home. That's the hard part.
>> You're going to have this.
>> What are you going to do with it when
it's home? You're not going to
You can't put that at your house. I'm
like worst cars on my trucks.
>> There's that that huge pickup truck
across the street. That guy
>> only sometimes. Thankfully,
>> only sometimes.
>> This guy with a case of Hey buddy, want
to work on the truck?
>> That's the worst part. He'll want to
talk about it.
>> Yeah. All right.
>> This is an F250.
>> Yeah. Ranger.
>> Yeah.
>> XLT.
>> It's a serious truck, but like
>> it's a it's a great truck. It
>> I think we will pull up what this is.
>> Like it's like a 77 something.
>> 77 F 250 Ranger.
>> Take that in. See what feel
>> it's got some good patina.
>> Is it a beor?
>> Um, it is actually a balora, but it's
primarily just patina and blue.
>> Are you gonna get it like if you got
staying like that?
>> Look at those mirrors.
>> More like that car auction one. Uh,
>> it it's going to stay like that
obviously. Uh, but that won't be an
Arizona.
>> Wait, what? Yours? 778? I don't
remember. You realize that's smog.
>> Yeah, you have to. Yeah, 75. You got
there.
>> Interesting.
>> Oh man, finally.
>> But it's based on it's based on the
admissions requirements at the time,
right?
>> You will not pass.
>> You will not pass. There's no
>> There is not I'm going to tell you. I'm
going tell you. If you ask the state
legislators and the C and state
legislators and the C the CHP, there is
not a single car in California
registered from 1976 to about 1988. They
don't exist. They don't exist. THEY'RE
NOT HERE.
>> Remain titled in Arizona. We'll see.
We'll find out. It's a an interesting
point. I had a thought about smog. Uh,
but I'm excited to have it in my life.
>> Five bucks.
>> Of course not. This isn't a car I
purchased. This is a car that has been
very kindly given to me.
>> Well, the state of California doesn't
want this car. Okay.
>> However, if you get those wheels on it,
>> my wife is very excited, though, cuz it
will be like a cool
>> Illinois. They want them, I'll tell you
that.
>> Yeah, buddy.
>> Yeah,
>> it'll be a cool
>> This truck's too nice, though. This guy
doesn't take this into this mud. He
backed it off a trailer, took the
picture, and now he's back,
>> which is exactly how Fippa will use it.
>> I'm excited about it.
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>> It does look good. I'll give you that.
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>> Uh, all right. What What other uh news
What other top cars stories? Ken, you
went to uh the the Southeast.
>> I did. Yeah, I went to New Orleans to
film with a Jaguar XK140. They'll be
coming up on the site very soon.
>> Fastest car in the world, just like my
Countach was.
>> It was the 120. Like, well, I just I'm
stunned as I did research on this car
like the the records that it held. The
120 like from 1949 till 1953. It set our
speed record every single year.
>> Really? Like the car just got
>> and the crazy
>> broke in and went faster
>> kind of. But the the thing the one that
blew my mind was uh it was in 53 they
did
>> they they in 52 they set a record. It
was like over it was like 130 mph
sustained for an hour
>> and the driver got out and said, "Wow,
this car feels so good. It could do it
for a week." And they the next day they
were, you know, let's do that. And so
they did for a week. They averaged over
100 miles an hour for 7 days and seven
nights. Stopping to change the I think
they changed the wheels and the tires
and they changed the drivers obviously
and they were nursing a suspension
problem, but they still did it. You're
kidding.
>> No. 17,000 mi in a week
>> in the 1950s. I mean, that's pretty
amazing.
>> You couldn't do that in a Jag today.
>> No, mostly because they don't build
cars. Um, but how? But it just like that
it was very cool to drive and it and we
were talking about how it's hard like
sometime the challenge of using a car or
living with a car kind of is the appeal.
And the cars from the 50s I've never
really been attracted to, but having
driven it now I get it. Like I
understand it's funny like you go around
the corner there's no bolster on the
seats. You got to hold yourself like
with your elbow on the outside of the
car and it looks so cool and it sounds
awesome.
>> Big steering wheel.
>> Huge steering wheel and like Yeah. Thin
rim, but it's got cutouts for your
fingers and like
>> Yeah, exact. Yeah. Yes, you were. Yes.
>> You just learned the word trimming. I
want to ask you a question about this
cuz you've used it a lot in the last
week, but never before like last
Thursday.
>> I like a good trim, dude.
>> Interesting. All right. Sorry. Continue,
Kevin.
>> Uh, anyway, so yeah. So, that was
fantastic. It was nice to be back in New
Orleans, too. I love New Orleans. And
then I went to St. Pete, Florida. Driven
a McLaren MP4 12C Spider, which will be
coming soon site 2. Been very interested
in those cars. I've only driven a 720S.
I've never driven uh like pull up. Pull
up an MP4.
>> Uh have 70 to 12.
>> Uh let's see.
>> You can just type in MP4. There's not a
lot of different models of MP4. That's
>> true.
>> Wow. 70 to 100.
>> 80 to 110.
>> Yeah. And this one, it's a oneowner
roadster. Um it's in has 13,000 miles on
it, whatever. I mean, it's a nice nice
car owned by a fascinating guy, too.
He's the chief strategist for Turner
Motorsport. And he has he's won two
drivers championships and and 12 uh
constructor's championships with or
championships with uh with Turner.
>> What did you think of the car?
>> Loved it. It feels way more exotic than
I was expecting, especially given its
price point. I mean, it feels more like
a $300,000 car.
>> Better than Ferrari.
>> Uh it was definitely faster, that's for
sure. Um but it's uh it had more torque.
Uh, and this I have to say the spider
you're much closer to the engine, so you
get the sounds. You get the turbo sound,
you get the great sound of the V8. I
think that makes it feel more exotic,
which was a criticism level at the car
at the time. But I think they are
tremendous value and they stay reliable.
>> The thing Well, the thing is like
there's a lot the later ones did get
more reliable. The really early ones we
had to slide to open the door, which is
what FIFA would buy. Those ones are
inexpensive for a reason cuz they are a
little
>> Wait, the later ones they switch that to
a real door handle.
>> Yeah, there's a button and they actually
Yeah. So you just press the button. In
the early McLaren,
>> what year is it early and late? 12,
right? Didn't 12. I think in the early
McLarens, you literally just sort of
>> You think I'm not familiar?
>> They did that. They did away with that
immediately.
>> You know, my parents when I was a kid
had an MP4 12C. It was a VCR.
>> Nice. Yes, that the name is a bit tough.
I
>> Thank you. Thank you.
>> It was later called the 12C for a good
reason cuz the name is terrible. Um, but
the card
>> 12C is pretty stupid also, especially
since it doesn't have 12 cylinders
>> right now. Yes. Well, yeah. But then
Dodichi Chilindry is not exactly great.
There's no
>> 12 builder.
>> Anything around 12 C just doesn't really
work. 4C kind of works and 8C.
>> I agree these are cool cars. I agree
they are values in today's market. I
think they look really cool.
>> Well, and the the last point I want to
make. They are also well supported now
by third party places that service it.
When the car came out, oh yes, MCMetics
like there's a company that goes around
and like come to you and service your
car like and they work specialize in
MP412C and like the early cars which I
think is cool. There are there's a lot
more support for this car now than there
was when it came out. So, you don't have
to take it to a dealer. And I think that
actually makes it substantially more
compelling to own as enthusiasts have
gotten into it.
>> Are you compelled? No, I don't buy
automatic cars.
>> This is not for Don't buy automatic
cars. Yeah. Uh-huh.
>> I own one adittedly, but it's a
Mercedes.
>> We own the same number of automatics.
>> I own more manuals.
>> I need more power.
>> We only buy autos for daily drive.
>> Yeah, that's it.
>> And I did an F250. That That one.
>> That's That's an auto.
>> Two on the tree. Like I think it's a
three-speed. It might be two.
>> It is. Man, you are not ready for this.
I can't believe you didn't think about
this.
>> I I'm going to Arizona tomorrow or
that's in this. And I will go figure out
first of all, is there a key? Cuz I'm
not 100% sure the key does it close to
turning on. Is there a battery or
anything like I don't know anything
about this truck? I will find out.
>> What do you think it's worth? 500.
>> It's It's worth a lot of sentimentality
to my very sentimental.
>> I'll tell you what it will be. When it
Here's You know why he didn't think
about registration? Because you're never
going to drive it. It's just going to
sit there.
>> It's going to ask your question dead
serious. Don't you think a nice way to
let the memory live on is we destroy
like Sean if
>> I thought you were going to say bury it
like Hooie would.
>> No, it's too big. If if given the
opportunity Sean would love to do
something where we destroy this car. I
know a guy who has a junkyard down in
South.
>> Absolutely not doing that.
>> Okay. But but imagine the memory like
the memory's created in that moment,
>> right?
>> Right.
>> Mhm.
>> I mean, yeah. If I get to shoot that
thing with a 50 run over it. We'd run
over it.
>> You know what we That's It's It's We'd
be hard. We know what we do. We get one
of those 07 MDXs and we get six of them
and we just keep trying to run over the
F250 until we're good.
>> We borrow Cruiser and run.
>> This is like a $10,000 video, too.
Nothing is expensive.
>> My late father-in-law Craig had a huge
lifted '05 F250. Could drive over this
other one.
>> Would have been pretty into shooting it.
>> Who ended up getting the '05?
>> Uh, his son.
>> You got screwed. did not want a 800
horsepower turbo diesel.
>> You didn't want this either.
>> I did. I'm excited about this. Uh we got
to move on to our market report which is
uh which is sponsored of course by
Kennon's rent.
>> Sponsored by Cars and Bids.
>> Oh yeah, the market report sponsored by
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and Bids. That's where your greatest
cars are. Can you pull up that Supra? We
got a We got a nice
This is a oneowner. Did you know that?
This is a one. It's in the subtitle.
>> Ignore the the fact that it has a
temporary license plate on it from
issued last week. This is a one-owner
car. No, seriously. This is incredibly
cool. 60,000 mi. This is a fixed roof
coupe. Filippo knows what I'm talking
about cuz he's in the Corvette
community.
>> That's right. C5.
>> This is a fixed roof coupe. This is the
real deal. Ken, are you interested?
>> It is cool. It's nice to see one. So
stock.
>> We get I mean the ones we get some very
heavily modified ones, but we get a lot
of very stock cared for ones as well.
There are still them out there.
>> They are still around. I mean, this one
lives in a neighborhood that looks like
this, which I think is great.
>> Let me ask you a question. Well, it's
one owner. Dude, bought it.
>> Yeah.
>> Let me ask you. I mean, this is an
expensive car in 1996.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Let me ask you a question, Ken. If you
could have this or an NSX, what would
you have?
>> NSX.
>> What about this or any of the other
Japanese sports cars? Would you rather
have an FD?
>> Would you?
>> I'd rather have this than a 3000 GT.
>> Well, duh duh duh.
>> 300 ZX.
>> I will say it was in Texas. Uh, and that
presumably was oil money at the time.
>> Actually, thinking. Yeah, cuz I'd rather
>> I would rather have this than an NSX.
>> Would you rather have this than a Well,
I guess it depends on which GTR. Any
GTR?
>> Uh, I'd rather have an R34 GTR. That is
true. But left-hand drive converted.
>> The market would rather have a GTR or an
NSX.
>> The market would not rather have an NSX.
>> Yeah.
>> No.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, I think he's right. If you had
a 96 NSX with 60,000 mi, I think it
sells for more than this car. a oneowner
96 NSX with 6,000 miles. It sells for
>> it's in the same ballpark,
>> but they're they are in the they're in
the ballpark. And remember, in this this
car, Paul Walker says, "Nice car. What
does it cost or whatever?"
>> Yeah. What's the retail on those?
>> What's the retail on one of those?
>> More than you can afford, pal. My how
those two values have
>> The irony, Filippo, of that is that the
Supra is now worth more.
>> I understand. So the Supra, even though
he was told that it was more than you
can afford, pal, is actually the more
expensive.
>> Took us 25 years.
>> Was it was that 35? Was it an F1? I
don't remember. Of
>> course it was an F1. They were shooting
at Hollywood. You think that guy can
drive on stick? Uh, okay. I want to talk
Cybertruck first.
>> Uh, I want to talk Cybertruck first. We
had a Cybertruck sale or maybe it was a
no sale, I don't know, for $61,000. But
folks, Cybert trucks are knocking
knocking on the 50s.
>> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> I'm just putting it out there.
>> Other cyber trucks have reached the 50s.
I'm not saying it's a good deal. I'm not
saying you should do it. I'm just saying
this is a market report. I am simply
reporting the truth. The Cybertruck is
knocking on the door of the 50s.
>> How much is a Cyber Truck?
>> This is a year old, by the way.
>> Current Cybertruck offers from Tesla
new.
>> Yeah. Yeah. What do they offer
>> for a Cybertruck $729 a month?
>> That's way too much.
>> Way too much.
>> 50s, folks.
>> That's remarkable.
>> They'll be there soon. The Beasts are
still more. The Beasts are still like
80.
>> They won't be for long. This is gonna be
a 35 car in 18 months.
>> I'm not I'm not It's an incredibly
capable $35,000 car.
>> I'm
>> capable of what?
>> Speed.
>> Irritating.
>> Speed and turning and tight radiuses.
>> In this is going to be 35 in 18 months.
You mark my words. Call us up on the pod
in December in in June or July of 27.
Yep.
>> And let's see what cyber choice.
>> Can you imagine the the demographic
that's going to end up with these things
is going to be crazy.
>> It's Hummer H2s. This is the Hummer H2
of the modern era. Wow, that is such a
great analogy.
>> This is the homage, too. It It is It is
very striking and sells to a certain
person and then it depreciates like
crazy and it loses its strikingness and
its luster and its excitement. I mean,
you see these now and you feel a little
sorry for the people driving them,
right?
>> Mhm. I mean,
>> they were cool. They were cool for a
year.
>> Not cool.
>> They were cool.
>> It was cool to see it initially. I have
to say when they came out, there wasn't
a person in the world who didn't text me
like, I just saw some sort of angled
truck. I don't know what it was. Holy
crap.
>> Notable and cool. Different.
>> Oh, they were. God, what a contra
refuses to admit what he
>> agree with. I think that it was the
first one I saw like I remember where I
was the first time I saw it. I was like,
>> do you really?
>> Yeah. Was that the the balcony of my
apartment complex looking there
>> Kennedy assassination 911 and the first
cyber?
That's right. Cuz I'm old enough to have
seen the Kennedy assassination.
>> Pull up the the GTR, please.
>> Yeah, we sold a GT the R35 T folks
>> spec for so much money. The T-spec was a
very special car at the very end, but
this sold for $163,000.
And I just want to make a point here.
GTRS never got cheap. They never went
down in value. They are still incredibly
desirable. And there is still a huge
community of people who absolutely love
these cars and really, really, really
are are buying them and spending real
money on them.
>> MSRP was 140.
>> 140.
>> And presumably you got this at or below
MSRP.
>> Yeah. So GTRS and go back to G. Go type
in R35 GTR
>> or just R35.
>> You what? We can have regular Skylines
VQ. Dude, I mean these are still an 09
for 80. What was the sticker on that?
80.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Inflation. But you get the
point.
>> So cheap early, too. Yeah,
>> that is amazing. Do you think it's
because you know they all look almost
exactly the same? The performance still
very good.
>> No, it's because the performance is
incredible. They are unbelievably
tunable. They have turned out to be
pretty robust in terms of reliability.
The early cars were a little bit less
so, but but there's an enormous
community around fixing any issues that
come up and they just didn't make all
that many. Even though the car was in
production for 16 years, they just
didn't make all that many.
>> And it's funny because we all idolize
the R34. But in the end, this car will
remain a tremendously desirable,
exciting car for years, years, years to
come.
>> MSRP was sub 80.
>> Sub 80. 77, wasn't it?
>> Uh yeah, for for that year. It it had
gone up seven grand from 08 to09. It was
70 It was a $70,000 car when it came
out.
>> Wow.
>> Wow.
>> Still was a $70,000 car for pretty much
all of them.
>> These cars remain tremendously
desirable, tremendously popular, well
supported. Look at that black edition.
Sells for 74 with 43,000 m. That person
bought that car, daily it
>> essentially.
>> Uh and still got real money out. It is
interesting to see which special
editions the market rewards that B that
Skyline edition which was just Bayside
blue and nothing else. Market isn't
going to go that much over sticker for
that.
>> Yeah, the market didn't hate that
though. 143 is still a real number.
Yeah,
>> the T-spec though seems like it's the
might end up being one of the desirable
specs. I still very rare I see a GTR on
the street which shocks me. This is to
me this is still an exotic car and I
have a suspicion the market will treat
these like Supras and NSXs where we we
saw them a lot in the day in the period
in 20 years we're going to tell our kids
we used to see those just driving around
like you would think you'd see if you
saw an NSX now you'd be like wow like
someone's drive if you saw a MarkV now
you'd be like I can't believe someone's
just cruising around in that in 20 years
we're going to say about these cars.
>> Two points on that. One is that like I
still even I still don't feel like I
ever saw them regularly. I never saw
them. I mean you see them occasionally
but it's it's quite rare. always noted
it. Second thing is because of cars and
coffee and where we live,
>> I think I see more R34 GTRS than R35,
which is
>> these are going to age in a way that the
market continues to view not just the
T-spec, but the market will continue to
view this car as special forever. It was
just a lot of power, reliable power,
tunable power, huge culture around it.
Very special.
>> Changed the game for sure.
>> If Fast and Furious was made today, Paul
Walker would be driving one of these.
>> I think he is in one of the later
movies, too.
>> R35.
>> Well, his brother maybe. Um they made
48,000 over the lifetime globally.
>> Globally a lot of cars.
>> That's low. I mean you
>> it's low given the period of time.
>> I mean for like a a
top of the lineup car Halo car like that
>> they made 20,000 original NSXs
over a very similar
>> two and a half.
>> Um and they made 19,000 second gen NSXs.
I remember when in about 0809 I lived in
Madison, Wisconsin and in like a normal
neighborhood there was a GTR street
parked and like at the time it was a
notable car but it was also a $70,000
car.
>> It wasn't that different from somebody
buying a totally top of the line
>> and I still think to this day it is sort
of like that. It's it's notable but you
oh there's a GTR you're not taking a
picture of it. In 20 years you'll be
taking a picture of it.
>> It's going to be special. It is special.
>> Has anybody manual swap GTRS? Is that a
thing?
>> I don't think people want to do that.
It's It's a really stout dual clutch. It
is a really stout dual clutch.
>> It handles a lot of power. Like a lot a
lot of the early ones had some troubles,
but the It is a lot of power.
>> And so many of them are built for
straight line speed. So they just are
numbers. They're number.
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want to discuss. Three more things maybe
uh in terms of market report. It's a
high. It's a longer market report today.
Uh the mega cruiser. Can you pull up the
mega cruiser? We sold a mega.
>> We love the mega.
>> Remember the land cruiser cruises land.
The mega cruiser cruises
>> mega
>> mega. We sold the mega cruiser for
115,000 United States. It was a civilian
car up in Oregon. Rightand drive.
>> Uh not a lot of these come up and sell.
Uh bring the trailer which is a
different auction platform. They had uh
one they had a high roof. I don't know
if you saw this. that high civilian car
really really fell short of reserve is
my guess. It was somewhere in the 80s.
It was it was not as nice as this. It
was it was it was a more special one
because it had like a higher roof and
like all this seating,
>> but the the market does not love these
cars like it did when we had our first
one. That left-hand drive car that sold
for over 300,000. Obviously, this is not
a left-hand drive car. I think that
would have helped the value.
>> Yeah, I think that's has a major impact.
>> But still, the Mega Cruiser, type in
Mega Cruiser just so we don't get the
Ram Mega cabs. Uh, the mega cruiser
still does do pretty well. The market is
still,
>> especially the civilian
civilian are worth a ton more than the
military cars. So cool, even with
>> that level of cool. Why don't we own one
as a group?
>> The you can't get tires. You know, let
me tell you something. I'm interested.
>> I'm not interested.
>> If you find me a tire source,
>> the Remember what the engine was used in
the other Toyota?
>> Yeah. Bus.
>> Yeah. You don't know the name of the
bus? The coaster.
>> You know your Toyotas. That's your
problem. That is my problem. One of my
many problems.
>> You don't know your Toyota rental car
shuttles at the Tokyo airport
>> which I was on one by the way.
>> Driving around in a Mega Cruiser
basically
>> probably.
>> Anyway, the Mega Cruiser cruises mega.
>> I still think they're the coolest things
in the world.
>> Since we were talking about bringing the
trailer, um our Mega Cruiser results be
theirs day and day.
>> If you got a me folks, if you got a Mega
Cruiser and you need to sell it, you
come to Cars and Bids. We are your Mega
Cruiser source. We have auctioned seven.
And I don't say we've sold seven because
the one of them was twice and a couple
of them didn't sell. But if you want to
sell your mega, you will get more money
on our just like you will for GTC4 Luca.
>> Let's pull up that GTC.
>> That was quite
>> You see that result?
>> Yes, I did.
>> We had a We We've sold a lot of Ferraris
now. We're We're big Ferrari sellers.
We're We're basically as good as Ferrari
of Hawaii,
>> if not better.
>> And we have a GT4 Luca. Go back to the
thing. What did it sell for? It sold for
$246,000 United States. This was a V12
Lusso. So this is like the dream
V8 T or as they were called.
>> Is that what they were called? They were
called T.
>> Yeah. And the only way we we talked
about this, the only way to know that it
was different is that on the passenger
side on the on the glove box here where
it says GT4 Lusso, it said GT4 Luso T.
The only visual distinguishing thing
between the two cars, you can't tell
unless you hear it start. That's it.
>> Really?
>> Yep.
>> They I don't know why they did that. I
didn't even think, but I guess Ferrari,
they Ferrari didn't want to cheapen
their models.
>> Anyway, $246,000 United States dollars.
Big result.
>> By the way, bring a trailer that the day
after the trailer.
Bring the trailer. Find the trailer
after uh sold an an 8,000 mi 2018 GTC4
Lo. So, the one that should
theoretically
>> Yeah. should theoretically be more
desirable for 224. So, notably lower
than this result.
>> We get we get all the money. If you're
listen if you're selling your V12 GTC
for Luso or your Mega Cruiser, we're
making a pitch to you or a few
>> all those people out there or similar
car like
>> or like just any car.
>> Oh, like an M3. Okay, so Mega Cruiser,
>> there's 12 to 15 of you in the country.
V12 GTC for Lus. There's 100 of you or
if you have any other car.
>> Yeah, there's millions of you.
>> Well, gentlemen, well sold.
>> No, really. But if you got a Mega uh and
if you have a manual Cayenne, the last
car I wanted to talk about was manual.
So, a couple of months ago, we had this
green manual Cayenne sell on the website
for and it sold for $125,000 United
States, and people were like, "That's
the fakest thing I ever saw." It wasn't.
It was real. It happened.
>> Proving that, we sold one the other day
for $70,000. Now, a lot of people are
going to say, "Wait a minute, Doug.
>> If you sold one for 125,000 and then you
sold one for $70,000, that seems like
the 125 result is still inflated." But
you what you fail to understand is the
70 result is also still inflated.
In either scenario, this is a $25,000
car. But Porsche people are Porsche
people and they'll pay up. And that was
the point that I made when the first one
sold and was like, "THIS IS
MONEYAUNDERING. IT'S FAKE." WELL, here's
another massive result for one of these
cars, proving that if if there is a
certain contingent of people after a
certain contingent of car, they will pay
all the money for it.
>> Right. Yep. And if you follow this
contingent, we have another one. Another
jet green live right on the outside.
What what's the mileage on this one?
>> Uh 882
>> because if you have one of these and
you're seeing they're selling for
125,000 or 70,000, you're like, I think
I want to get
>> also because the the bring the place
where you might have to bring the
trailer um has not had the same level of
results for these.
>> I'm not surprised.
>> Really didn't bring the trailer. We're
the best place. If you have a manual
green Cayenne, a Mega Cruiser, or a V12
GTC4 Lusso, THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE to
sell it.
>> Fact,
>> um,
>> we specialize.
>> This is a pretty impressive car. Now,
I'm thinking about getting into this one
because I feel like this is going to for
a little less, right?
>> 125 to 70.
>> 70. Okay, you start thinking about it
like this is probably going to be two
data points make a trend.
>> You don't get fooled again.
>> You can't get fooled again.
>> Like in Tennessee.
>> Like I saying in Tennessee, I think they
have it in Texas, too. The second sale,
the green one, was pretty impressed at
70,000. And I it does prove that there's
a lot of uh market for this. I will say
I was very charmed by the owner who
posted only a couple of comments. He
didn't let the car stand on its own,
which was fine. But he posted the very
first comment on the auction was he went
into the Porsche dealer in New York City
or New York State in the Hamptons, I
think. Here. Yeah. I went in the New
York in Southampton and I was sitting in
the car, realized it was a manual and I
asked the salesman, "Is this real?" And
he said, "Yes." Didn't like that one. He
ordered one jet green with an umber and
cream leather interior. He ordered this
car new from the factory and all these
years later it paid off. He said when I
took ownership he told me it was the
last manual off the line. That wouldn't
surprise me if it was true. It's
probably never going to be able to be
proven, but it is a 14, which was the
final model year of this car. Um, pretty
cool.
>> Very cool.
>> Yeah. By the way, the owner the person
that that bought the the first Jag Green
one commented on that auction. All you
dorks thought I overpaid. Hello.
>> I think he's happy with his purchase. He
should be happy with his purchase. Um,
he got a slightly better spec car. This
car is also very cool. The one that's
come up, actually, each one has been
successfully a little bit worse. The
first one was the best one. This is
>> You're the seller of the current one.
Don't worry.
>> The third one, the current one has the
highest mileage and the lowest the
lowest option content. I still think
it's super cool. And these are very
special cars and I'm super. If you have
a yellow one,
>> and if you don't sell it on Cars and
Bids, you are nothing.
>> You are Filippo's Christmas sweater. I
will say the one that's currently live
has soft ruffled seat centers.
>> Go to see it. Let's see it.
>> I'm just looking at the option.
>> Oh, wow. It does.
>> They are ruffled.
>> What an option.
>> Wow. Ken, you ever ruffle your seat
centers? Why is this?
>> You worked at Porsche. You were
responsible for this.
>> People did this stuff, dude. I don't
know.
>> What year is it?
>> 14. I was not responsible for it. I left
by then. I had quit to go start a
website called Cars. The bids bids the
cars.
>> Bring the Okay,
>> we got to move on to questions.
>> You really do.
>> Sean hates me. Sean's like, "Can't you
just can't you just advertise for your
own business, please? It benefits you.
Why don't you just do it?"
>> That's what everybody's thinking. That's
what everybody listening is thinking,
too.
>> Can you please just say what I wrote,
please? All right. Uh, we got questions.
The questions today, this week, are the
>> You'll see in a second.
>> The questions this week are are perfect.
If you want to ask us a question, you go
to carsbids.com. You click on the
community tab. There will be a post
there that says ask us questions. Please
ask us questions. I am now scrolling
through every single question trying to
find the best ones. I spent 45 minutes
on this and found the best question.
Some of them were deep, dude. Deep. And
the first one is definitely the best
one. Go to go to the questions, please.
First question comes from Faizal
Alumide. He says, "Hello, Doug Cannon
and Filippo." Here it is. Pull up the
picture. I hope you're doing well.
Wanted to say hello and share some
exciting news. As a longtime viewer of
the channel, I thought it'd be nice to
let you know that I recently became the
new owner of the Renault concept car
which was sold this Sunday at the
Renault factory outside Paris. And he
says a little bit more. He's going to
take it to Dubai. So, he says. Now, I
will say there's no proof he bought it.
This is the this is the picture from the
auction court. Like it that doesn't mean
that this dude actually bought it. He
may have just posted that. Like anybody
could have gone in and taken this
picture. Uh it did. We talked about this
the concept car auction last week.
Renault sold a bunch of their concept
cars, none of which were attractive or
desirable. I absolutely
>> respectfully disagree. This one's had a
4 to6,000 euro estimate and sold for
€25,000.
>> Yep.
>> Wow.
>> Well, €21,000. $25,000.
>> I can't speak to the exact amount
because I'm looking it up right now.
>> Radically higher than it should have
been. However, I also would have paid
that much.
>> Ken, do you have any regrets that we
didn't end up with this car?
>> Tons. Loads.
>> It would be cool. It's cool.
>> Looks like a bison. It just is a bison.
>> It just is a bison.
>> Can I share some other results from that
auction? The Cleo six wheel pickup. Uh,
€19,000. Way too much.
>> Way too little.
>> Uh,
>> what about the one with all the doors? I
want to know.
>> That sold for nothing. I'll go.
>> Good.
>> The the Kangu breakup concept sold for
24,000.
>> That was the other expensive one.
Everything else kind of sold within the
estimate
>> which was basically nothing. Every car
was estimated at like the the cars were
like 4 to6,000 and the scale models were
like 1 to2,000. The car the difference
between a car and a scale model at this
auction was pretty minimal. The one with
all the doors, the Renault 21 that had
all the doors and another car mounted on
the trunk. Uh, sold for €1,45.
>> Like I said,
>> what a value. You get all those doors
and an extra car.
>> That is going to go into a junkyard in
France for parts. I promise you that is
not an enthusiast did not buy that car
and would not buy that car.
>> These are So why do we not live in
France currently? Like we actively live
there just to buy these.
>> Hundred reasons. I could name you a
hundred reasons. The Renault sports the
the the Spider prototype which is a
sports spider prototype sold for
€23,000.
>> A friend of a friend purchased the
Renault Alaska the pickup driver is
going to try to import it to the US
under show or display. So you don't have
to live in Paris in France to drive
these cars. You can have the best of all
worlds. You can drive the cars and not
live in France. It's kind of the two
Noah France. Noah France by the way.
>> No a France.
>> To our French viewers out there we love
you.
>> We love all seven of you in France. And
I'll tell you something. If you live in
France and if you have a mega cruiser,
sell it on Cars and B.
>> You know, some of these sold for real
money.
>> The the F1 cars, one of them sold for
about a million dollars.
>> Well, dude, it's an F1 car. It it it
took Reuben's Barello across the finish
line in the 96 Phoenix Grand Prix with a
Cro GT strapped to the back,
>> right?
>> The most expensive was the 1997 Renault
William FW19 Formula 1 car for 1.5
million.
>> Yeah, it's a serious car.
>> It's a serious car. 97 post courage, so
who cares? The most expensive like real
car is a Renault Maxi 5 turbo prototype
for 252,000.
>> Uh, next question from Unos Roadster.
Hey Doug and friends. I guess you guys
are the friends.
>> Nick's on the pod. It's just Doug and
peaked acquaintances.
>> Agreed.
>> Uh, the E60M5 is louded, lauded,
appreciated for its V10 in a sedan. Why
doesn't the C6 Audi RS6 get as much
attention and has a more powerful V10,
more reliable, same price? Totally
agree. Nobody ever talks about that. BMW
was like, "Oh, BMW put a V10 and M5."
Yeah, Audi did it in like 10 cars. They
took the Lamborghini engine, which
everybody's like, "It's not the But it
is." They took the Lamborghini engine
and they put it in an Audi S6, an S8, an
RS6.
>> You know why?
>> What?
>> E60 got it with a manual in North
America.
>> North America.
>> Yeah, but mostly you couldn't. Mostly
you couldn't.
>> But mostly, but people did.
>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. We can't say
that. Okay, sure. It's it's it's worth
twice as much as a a C5 R six in that
it's worth.
>> It's not like it's like appreciated by
the market.
>> No, but people talk about the M5 like,
oh my god, they put a V10 in the M5, but
nobody ever talks about the fact that
Audi did it in like a dozen cars and it
was also in a Lamborghini. Yeah, I think
that's no offense to the Audi, but I
think the M5 badge is a little bit more
historically notable and that is why
it's
>> I also think the fact that the M5 was
kind of spicier to own, to drive, to
experience help. Like the the when I
think of that RS6, I think of like an
Autobond Cruiser kind of the M5 was a
peaky unreliable temperamental crazy
thing
>> in a way the Audi just wasn't.
>> It just Yeah, it had more flare like
that. The Audi almost hurts itself
because it was relatively subtle to me.
I would rather have owned the Audi, but
the Audi almost hurts itself because it
was like better.
>> It just kind of I just dynamically I
think at the time also it just wasn't
like E60 chassis is amazing.
>> That's true. Also, that is certainly
true. Also, the E60 was dynamically a
better car. Sequential manual and manual
were better than any torque converter.
>> Um, that's those are also Can I ask a
real question?
>> Also, it was never sold in the US. It's
important to also keep in mind a lot of
the enthusiasm for the E6M5 comes out of
the states because there was a stick and
because there's a lot of following for
that car and we never did get that R six
in the states. We did get V10 Audi's in
the states, but they never had as much
power as the M5.
>> That's right.
>> Right. Do you think that it would also
help BMW that it had a different gear
selector? The automatic M5 did not have
the traditional like
>> prenal gear selector the other E60s had.
>> Yeah, it was it was the RS6
had had a ton of power like the normal
>> gear shifter. No, I don't know if
physical gear shifter any difference at
all.
>> Don't you think it kind of does? I do
not think that sportier. It was like a
sportier.
>> I like this. This is what Fippo's
focused on is gear. Now, to be clear,
you could also get the standard E60 with
SMG. You get the 535.
>> One of them. Did anybody in the States?
I've driven one.
>> It happened in the States. It was
terrible.
>> I remember they offered the E46 with
that, but I didn't know they offered the
E6.
>> They offered the E6. They have a a
tradition of doing weird transmissions
like that in normal cars cuz you get a
dual clutch from the E90M3 in the 335is.
>> Yes.
>> No idea why you could but the cool thing
about that car
>> the Yeah.
>> And that it had 335 badges on the
fender.
>> That's right. And those unusual wheels,
but like the but the Yes, you could get
SMG. Maybe it was even in the 550 you
could get SMG, but very uncommon for
obvious reasons.
>> I think it helped.
>> But anyway,
>> uh, next question from Stubbled CRT1.
Hey Doug, you've stated before that you
saved the really good videos for Doug
December for higher ad revenue. That's
now folks
>> right now.
>> Watch the videos.
>> Like watch them like in December,
please.
>> Yeah, watch them in December. If you if
you're watching in January, I don't need
those views.
>> I don't need that.
>> We're joking.
>> Uh I'm just curious how long you have
sat on a Doug video. Um you like I film
them way before and then kind of try to
build out a good month. It's really mid
mid November to the end of December
because the ad rates start to get high
late November, Black Friday, etc. when
people are starting to spend money. Uh
I've sat on them for a long time, but
never insane. Usually the car owner is
like, "Yo, man, you posting this?" Like,
"What's going on here?" And so I
eventually kind of am like, "Oh, sorry.
I'll put it up." And then I do. Um but I
think probably I've sat on him for six
months. I got no problem with that. Can
we talk about two big errors?
>> Yeah. Which again?
>> All right. Look up Doug's Ford F-650
video, which went up January 3rd years
ago.
>> Oh, yeah.
>> Went up December 26th.
>> Did it? I thought I thought it was later
than that.
>> No, that video was the greatest
decision. Oh, Doug Delug.
>> Sometimes it's hard to type for.
>> What a good That video, by the way,
still delivers
>> 17 million views.
>> Yeah, dude.
>> Uh, the second big mistake I seem to
recall years ago at this point, you
filmed a Saturn Series and an SL1.
>> You're bringing this up. I'm bringing it
up. We need to talk about it finally.
>> Hey,
>> Ken's like, "Where is he? Where is he?
Watch me. Give it a second." I come out
from behind it.
>> When's the When's that video coming out,
Doug?
>> I filmed a All right, let me tell you
what happened. I'm going to explain it.
Everybody asked me about this. I'm just
going to explain it.
>> There is no video that I'm going to
explain it. Here's what happened. All
right. I many years ago, type in Doug
Demiro 430 Scooteria. Many years ago, I
filmed a video a fellow I went up I
think he was in Orange County of a 430
Scoot and it was this one and it was we
sold it on the site and it was an
awesome car and the dude was super nice
and he said, "Hey man, by the way, if
you want to come up and film my 430
scoot, that's great, but I also have an
original Saturn SL you can film." And I
was like, "Okay." So, I filmed the 430
Scooed. It went up a few weeks later,
sold it on the site like normal. And I
was also like, "Why not film the Saturn
SL too?" So, I filmed the Saturn SL
also. It was that one. I filmed the
Saturn SL also and uh it's just never
gone up. When was this? This was end of
22. So I've been sitting on that video
for three years.
>> Three years.
>> Some of us love the Saturn.
>> I'll tell you this. I you know when I go
away for the summer I like put build up
a lot of videos beforehand so I don't
film over the summer. This summer that
video made it on the schedule and I even
recorded a voiceover for it for the end.
It made it on the schedule but then it
got put.
>> I love the first gen Saturn SL.
>> It's a good video. It's a good video.
It's a shame the video hasn't come out.
Uh anyway,
>> it's a good car.
>> Love the Saturn SL.
>> Do you feel like because you haven't
released it now, you're just like
obligated to hold on to it?
>> It's become kind of a meme.
>> Yeah, exactly.
>> Like the F50.
>> That entire question was just for Die
Hard Doug fans
>> cuz I've teased it here and there. It's
shown up in like teaser shots.
>> There was an Instagram post in 2022.
>> That's right.
>> Still think about that post.
>> Next question from Ian J. Doug, I
watched the the smoking tire pod you
were on and I heard you and Matt mention
forever cars. Are any of your super
carcass forever cars? You willing to
replace those cars in the future or sell
them, replace them? I want to be really
clear on this. I answer this question
every single time it comes up in the
same way. And I want to be really clear.
None of my cars are forever cars. They
will all someday be sold. And I know
that when when I sell the Courage GT, I
know someday people are going to BE
LIKE, "YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER SELL IT."
And I have never said that. And I do not
believe that. I will I am not a
collector. I do not want to accumulate
these things forever. They will all
someday be sold. It may be a long time.
It may be 10 years. Maybe 20 years.
There is no such thing in my life as a
forever car. At some point, I will no
longer get the pleasure out of driving
it. I'll be old like Fippo is mentally.
And I will no longer want to use these
cars. There is no forever car in my
world. They will all go eventually. Yes,
even the Carrera GT, which I love so
much and I have such a history. Someday
it will sell. So, when I sell it and you
see all the comments, you said you'd
never sell, just remember I'm saying
here that I will. And I've always
maintained this position. Have I ever
said anything different?
>> Are you worried that like Hooie you'll
remember that you owe a tax bill like
April 14th and then sell them in a
hurry?
>> No.
>> I'm a W2 employee just as you are.
>> If you had to put money on which one you
keep the longest.
>> Um
>> totality.
>> I honestly don't know.
>> I think it's the one that's behind you.
>> I vacasillate.
>> You do? Yes, you do.
>> The Carrera GT I really would like to
own forever. Uh, but I have a suspicion
that one day it will be simply too
valuable for me to keep. I will I am not
as wealthy as a lot of my career GT
compatriots. And like a lot of McLaren
F1 owners are doing right now, the car
they bought for 4 million is suddenly
worth 30 million. Their net worth is 50
million. And they're sitting here
thinking this car is
>> Yeah, I get it.
>> Like what? This is insane. Like I need
to unload this thing. And I wouldn't be
entirely surprised if that car, the Cur
GT, if that car be I don't think this is
ever gonna really appreciate crazily. If
the Cur GT ends up at three, four, five
million like the F50, etc. At some
point, I will no longer enjoy using it
and it will make I would just rather
have the money. I I have a suspicion and
in the memories I've already put 5,000
miles on the Car GT. I will probably put
another 10,000 on I 15, I don't know.
And I will always be able to say, "Hey,
I had this car. It was really cool." But
at the at some dollar level, I just can
no longer justify it. I it simply loses
the main thing that attracted me to it,
which is the the enjoyment factor.
>> Yep.
>> I have a suspicion that one goes first.
>> You have had the 4GT for seven years at
this one.
>> Seven and a half years in the 4GT.
>> It's got an early start. Too bad it's
going to be gone soon.
>> You think it's going?
>> Well, I've seen you talk about the 993.
>> I know. I'm worried. Yeah. I haven't
even considered selling the 4GT, though.
It's not even like been thought of
>> yet. 4GT is I my cost basis is zero.
It's incredibly reliable and it's on an
upswing. Like there's no reason to sell
it. It doesn't. And we have endless
space. Like there's literally no reason
to get rid of it.
>> And like you you talked about, one of
the big reasons you have the 993 is so
your kids can ride around on it, but
those rear seats are small and they will
outgrow those seats.
>> And someday they'll be able to ride in
the big car. Yeah.
>> And I think then
>> Yes. Hold for GT for a while.
>> No, Ford GT definitely is is a is a
hold. I'm going to take it to Cars and
Coffee.
>> Oh, it's your most powerful car.
>> Uh yeah, it is. It's definitely the
scariest. Uh, next question from Nick
Nick, not the regular Nick, the
underscore Nick. Hello, Doug. You've
expressed interest in the new Gwagon
Cabriolet for some time now. You also
said on last week's pod you were
seriously considering buying it. My
question is, do you really want to drive
across country in that thing? No, I've
decided I'm not going to do it. It's
just I just I've been thinking about
who's going to end up in that car and
it's just not me. It's just not me. I'm
going to keep the old one. Hopefully,
people will see it as kind of cool and
vintage. I have a suspicion that when
I'm driving around on the old one and
the new one comes out, people are going
to be like, "Oh, there's the G." You
know, like like I
Yeah, but I just I I You're right Nick.
I cannot It's just not me. That car is
not me. It just isn't. I just know the
level of real housewife that's going to
own the convertible G Wagon and I just
cannot participate. I'm out. I'm You've
heard it here first.
>> Next question from Two Shirts. Love you
guys. Thank you, Kenn.
>> Thank you.
>> Oh, how sweet. I only have one shirt
today.
>> Have you ever considered You only find
cars so exhilarating because you aren't
into motorcycles. Would you be o willing
open to learn to ride? No.
>> I know how to ride.
>> You ride bikes? What?
>> Sometimes motorcycle. You got a
motorcycle?
>> I don't I don't have my license. That
has not historically stopped me on
private roads.
>> Private roads? Yeah.
>> Yeah. Is that right?
>> Uh I like bikes. I like I I don't know
much about them. My grandfather has uh a
1931 uh Indian 101B Scout, which is a
great pre-war bike. Uh he's had it since
he was like 16. He's 96. Still have the
family. My cousin finished a restoration
on it. I've coasted it down the driveway
once. I've never ridden it. I would like
to, but uh you know, I like those kind
of bikes, but in California, I'm just
too afraid to use a motorcycle. It's
just too dangerous. Lane splitting is
crazy.
>> In Nebraska, he's like, I'm all over it.
>> Yeah, I got wide open roads here. I I
don't know. I just motorcycles just
aren't I understand the appeal of a
motorcycle. I'm too afraid to get
involved with that.
>> Also know that except for Ken's SL65,
we're not like going after speed. That's
not our like style of drive. If we were,
we would all own Huracan that are twin
turbocharged or EVs or whatever, right?
Like that is not what we're now EVs 5
years ago. Huracans,
>> would argue though that it's still super
fun
experience of being exposed to
>> my my argument is a safety one. I ever
since I had kids, I stopped doing a lot
of stuff and uh I have zero interest in
riding a motor. Literally zero interest
riding a motorcycle for that reason
alone. Even if I thought it was really
cool.
>> What stuff have you stopped doing?
You're not doing you're not tightroppe
walking.
>> I sold that yellow truck. You should see
the stuff. I I like don't take any risks
anymore. I just I my children should
should should have a father.
>> And motorcycles are scary. They're
they're legitimately dangerous. And all
the motorcycle people in the world would
be like, "They're not that dangerous."
And then some of them die.
>> Yeah. Well Yeah. Exactly. They're not
all around to argue anymore. I just
don't I just don't think that there's a
reason to take the risk. I I I there's
there's too much to lose. I'm I'm not
willing to do it. No matter how fun they
are, and I'm sure they are fun, but I'm
at a stage in my life where fun and risk
have have kind of swapped and and it's
not really worth like I I don't find the
it could be the funnest thing in the
world and to me it isn't worth the risk
anymore. There probably was a time where
I where I maybe should have pursued that
uh but I didn't. And um
>> well, so your frame like be odd to see
you on a motorcycle. Filipo and I are
Moto Gucci enthusiasts.
>> We are. My father had one. We're not.
>> Of course.
>> All right. Two more. We're doing two
more. We're doing two more. We're doing
two more. We're doing two more. Two
more. Two more. Two more. Number from
Mazi Meister. Doug and friends. I have a
question about the Sequoia. If told
Toyota had sold the GR Sport 300 series
Land Cruiser in the US, even with the
tariffs, you had bought it. Yes, without
even the slightest question, I
undoubtedly period would have bought
that car. I wouldn't have bought the GR
Sport cuz I think it's heinous. But I
would have bought whatever the most
off-road version of the Land Cruiser is,
period.
>> LX700H overtrail. Do you own one?
>> There wasn't that option when I bought
the Seoia. But there is now a 300 series
and I'm kind of off it. I I've driven
the Sequoia more and more and I'm like
into the Seoia again.
>> The Sequoia is the Land Cruiser of the
modern era.
>> The LX600 existed when you bought the
Land Cruiser.
>> Yeah, but it was a stupid hybrid and
there was no off-road version.
>> Now it's real. Now, there's like a good
hybrid and there is an off-road version
and it has it has crawl control and and
knobbyby tires.
Final question and this one is more for
Kenon from Liam Cell. I was glad to hear
you talk about the Aston Martin Vanquish
Zagato shooting brake on the smoking
tire podcast. You want to pull it up?
>> Let's see. Let's see this. You know this
car?
>> Of course you do not.
>> I absolutely never seen anything.
>> I know everything hatchback related.
Everything.
>> Everything.
>> What do you know about the A12
Competency owner?
>> I watched your review of it years ago
and it's been on my list of dream cars
ever since mine, too. Uh, I always
thought it was completely unobtainable,
but as you pointed out, they're already
selling for half less than half of their
original MSRP. What do you think their
price floor is and how much do you think
they're worth it? I'll tell you this. I
They were 900 new, they're selling for
400. I don't ever have any interest in
buying an automatic as a fun car. Like,
zero interest in it. Because if I want
to have fun, I want to go out and have a
whole experience. Yep.
>> There's about three exceptions to that
and this is one of them.
>> If this car got into a price point, I
think it's just so cool. Zagato did a
station wagon of a V12 Aston Martin. It
makes no sense. It's an M Coupe but done
by Zagato and Aston Martin with a V12.
It's absurd.
>> How about the GTC4 Lusso,
>> right? But twice the price.
>> But this is there's only 100 of these in
the world and it's it's a Zagato special
edition. There's probably only 20. I
>> agree. It's a very special car. It's
cool as hell. Uh 400 is not my number
though. But if if I could if I could be
interested in one of these, I I would
talk about one of these at about the 93
turbos number 225 250. I would talk
about it for sure.
>> I wouldn't be surprised if it gets
there.
>> Yeah.
>> You know,
>> if I could get a 177 square steering
wheel in it,
>> you get that on. Yes. It came in the
Vanquish anyway
>> as an option.
>> No, I think it was standard.
>> I wouldn't want to deviate from the
build.
>> I'm
>> This is This is a historical car,
Filippo. historical.
>> I'm pretty confident that's
>> historical and it's LOOK AT THAT
STEERING WHEEL. IT'S SQUARE. IT'S
SQUARE.
>> Pretty sure that was that's the standard
steering.
>> I know what you're sitting there
thinking. It isn't square. But I'm
telling you, man, when you use it, it is
>> square. You don't have
>> It looks like a circle, but it's
deceptive. That's how they get you.
>> It's a square with round edges.
>> Like a pouro 208.
>> Sure.
>> Excuse me.
>> That's a pouro. Is that what he said
that?
>> The old pou. I said that odd. Filipo, do
you have any final thoughts for us?
>> Um, uh, come sell your car on Cars and
>> Cars AND BIDS. IT'S THE GREATEST
WEBSITE. If you have a Mega Cruiser or a
Vanquish Zagato shooting break, well, I
promise you if you have a Vanquish Zato
Street shooting break, we'll we'll get
you every bit of what it's worth.
$316,000.
>> Cars the bid. Sell it there.
>> Uh, and uh, that's that. Goodbye. Is one
of our finest P. Not our finest.
>> Close.
>> There was that great Whistland Diesel
Montana. That was great. Go watch that
one.
>> Very good.
>> Uh, and have a good Doug December,
everybody. Goodbye.
>> Goodbye.
>> Don't clap.
About this episode
The latest episode dives into the automotive world with discussions on the new GR GT and its turbo hybrid powertrain, alongside the disappointing design of the new Lexus LFA. The hosts debate the merits of manual transmissions, the future of the MR2, and the implications of Ferrari's decision to shelve the F44 project. They also touch on the Lotus Electra and its questionable market position, while reflecting on the enduring appeal of the Nissan GT-R. With a mix of humor and insight, this episode is packed with engaging automotive commentary.
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