New Lexus LFA is Disappointing. Ferrari Says No Manuals! Worst New Car on the Market?

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FIPPO.

>> And there's a lot to cover. Starting

with the biggest news story of the week,

the GR GT, which has some sort of turbo

hybrid.

>> Yep. 4 liter twin tur 4 liter twin

turbocharged V8.

>> It's a hot V. Do you know what that is?

>> Oh, I know what a hot V is.

>> It means the turbocharger is like inside

of the engine or something.

>> It's not flipper wearing a V-neck. It's

although hot V.

me.

>> Uh, okay. 640 horsepower. Obviously, tip

only, sadly. No one's talking price yet,

including Lexus Toyota. They won't tell

us what it

>> They've said it would be over in the six

figures is what they've hinted at.

>> We've seen speculation in the 200 range.

>> We know that, but I was thinking that

this car would compete in terms of the

Halo car against the AMG GT

>> because it looked like it has the same

engine as it,

>> but but from what I'm understanding,

people are talking 300,000, which is a

lot of money. There's also the Lexus

version which is EV only, right?

>> Uh, is that true?

>> Yes.

>> Can we discuss the fact that this is not

the most attractive of automobiles?

>> I was astonished when this was revealed.

Like it looks purposeful, but I thought

it would be a smoother design.

>> Like just sort of like a swoopy smooth.

Like the LC is really cool. The Supra

has like a very smooth design language.

>> I know. But think about it really. I

mean like the LFA the last like super

car they did not exactly what you call

smooth and these days angular aggressive

is like the thing that people every

manufacturer does

>> just it just it's just not I was I was

just thinking it was going to be like a

like a teardropy smooth kind of

situation

>> you're hoping for like an RX7 an FD

looking

>> but like that's what the Supra looks

like if you see a Supra that is that car

car does not have a lot of ugly angles

and I'm s I'm honestly surprised now a

lot of people insult a lot of new cars

when they first see them.

>> And that could be what's going on here.

But I am a little bit surprised. I I

will say I'm very impressed with the the

powertrain, the whole situation. We're

going to do a V8. That's awesome. So

many people are getting away from that

stuff.

>> I'm glad they're going to do a GT3

version of it and take it racing as

well. I think that's really important

for their brand and it'll be cool.

>> And it's cool that the road going

version is not just an homologation car.

It's like a standalone road car based on

>> It also is rear wheel drive. And and I

think that that's important to mention,

too. You know, it's funny because Toyota

doesn't get a lot of credit for being

like the performance brand, but they got

Supra, they got GR86, and here they come

with a twin turbo V8 with rear wheel

drive. How many people are still doing

this?

>> I agree. Not only that though, like with

the competition thing, they're also

sponsoring HOS for in Formula 1 like a

lot of manufacturers are. So, like

they're taking performance very

seriously. We have, and to prove that,

we have right here in the office the new

Rav 4 GR Sport, which folks, I got to

tell you, this car,

>> it handles,

>> it's got a wing. It's got C, can you

tell me? Can you Can you Can you tell me

what do you think the GR upgrade, the

non-cossmetic GR upgrades are to this

GR?

>> GR tune suspension.

>> GR suspension. Can you name any others?

>> The the it's the more powerful.

>> No, same power.

>> All right. Well, I don't I got nothing

then.

>> There are no more. It is just the

suspension, but GR is generally serious

with some exceptions such as this RAV 4,

which by the way has a $53,000 sticker.

>> I go back to the price of this. So, it

had apparently will have about 641

horsepower, 3,800 lb. Y

>> they at the press launch, they asked uh

the project manager asked people to kind

of like think about other cars in that

same like price point, PowerPoint. The

AMG GT Pro is $200,000 and has 63

horsepower, weighs a little bit more.

The Vantage S has 671 horsepower, weighs

the same as 235 base price, right? It'll

be in that category,

>> do you think?

>> Which is high for a Toyota.

>> 200,000 I think it could sell. GTRS were

in that range at the end and and they

weren't selling, but it was also a

15-year-old car and it's still a

desirable car, as we'll talk about later

in this podcast.

>> Um,

>> but 300 it become I don't know. It'll be

interesting.

>> The goal apparently for the LFA or

whatever they're calling the Lexus one,

which is EV, is 350 or under.

>> Yeah. I'll be honest. If they're going

to do an EV Lexus one, there will be no

interest in it. It will not sell and no

one will care about it. The only one

that people will care about is, keep in

mind, it's funny that they're even

talking about that considering that they

just cancelled the hybrid version of the

LC because no one was buying it. In this

segment, people want one thing, a big

old engine and some big old power.

>> Yeah, but I think the the LFA concept is

just that, a concept. So, I I suspect

they could change it to a hybrid

drivetrain or whatever.

>> Or maybe they want to kind of push

electrification. They want to have a

halo card for that even before they have

mainstream models.

>> Yeah, I bet the market doesn't.

>> They might not care.

>> Very interested in this obviously as a

Ford GT owner.

>> Oh, nice.

>> Well, don't you think that this is sort

of the Ford GT of Toyota's current

lineup?

>> Let me think about that.

>> It's going to race. It's positioned in

the same place. Why not? Same

horsepower.

It's the It's a similar idea. It's a

It's a mainstream brand that sells Camry

like Ford was selling Tauruses back in

Canada.

>> You get my point. My car was built in

the US. Yeah, but her

>> is Steve Saline going to help build

these cars.

>> I do always think it's cool when a

mainstream brand actually act because

they don't have to do this,

>> right? They sell in Rav 4 Woodlands by

the truckload that they are.

>> They don't have to do this. This is

cool. This will be cool. I'm excited to

see it. And on that subject, the other

big Toyota news this week is the MR2,

which is apparently imminent.

>> Yeah, they've reddone the patents or

trademarks or whatever for the name MR2.

It'll be a GR MR2 apparently. So there's

there so in other words and not a Toyota

GRMR2 like the GR Corolla etc. There is

talk that it may possibly actually be

sold under the GR brand as like a new

brand is like the first car for this new

brand. I will say the speculation is

that this car will use a turbo force 2

liter turbo four-cylinder with 400

horsepower mid-mounted.

>> If that's true and if it has three

pedals

>> which is possible because they're not

talking EV. You start to wonder why do

you buy a Lotus? Like

>> you start to wonder why do you buy

anything else? Yeah, that's very

appealing if they do that.

>> It also looks cool. It doesn't look that

cool, but it looks pretty cool.

>> You know, I don't know. In reference to

these other like AI generated looks

pretty cool.

>> This is this is if this is real 400

horse midine. Let's talk manual. No

one's saying it, but let's talk. They're

doing the GRGT. Toyota is like in our

hearts and minds. They got the whole

line of TRD pros, including the vaunted

and famed Seoia. Like

>> this is a this is real stuff. This is

really cool. Don't you like this?

>> I do like this. I could do without the

one square they didn't paint on the

wheel. Uh that just other than that,

>> uh I think it is I think it is really

cool. It looks like a 4C in a lot of

ways. I I don't know. And I I just But

good.

>> But good. And a 296 in a little little

bit in there.

>> Okay.

>> There's lotus. There's a little Lotus in

the front end. This

>> looks cool.

>> This thing is cool. If this came out

truly with a 400 horse mid engine and a

manual

>> and a manual

>> and a manual, which I think Toyota has

learned because their other two sports

cars, the Supra and the G86, both have

manuals

>> and the Jerk Roll came out as manual

only.

Now the GR Sport Rav 4, they are not

doing a three-pedal version. They've

decided they've unless the market really

demands it. What would be the market

share for that? 0.0000.

>> No one would.

>> I don't know. Someone would buy it. Then

it' be like the V6 Cayen on site, 70 80

grand.

>> In 2030 years, it'll be an $85,000 car.

>> Of course, developing a manual for nine

people would probably be an $85,000 car

new. Anyway, I'm super pumped for what's

coming out of Toyota right now. In an

era where a lot of automakers are giving

up on any sort of fun cars, especially

cars with uh gas power,

>> ice engines, this thing is these two

cars are like, "Whoa, wait a minute.

Toyota and and part of the reason

they're able to do this is because they

sell so many hybrids and all these

things. They can they can actually give

us cars like this.

>> They were successful. They did their

homework. They ate their vegetables and

now they can have fun.

>> That's that's exactly what it is.

They're like the person who saved all

this money and put it in index funds and

retire at 55. Meanwhile, Chrysler was

out here running around with no idea.

Not paying the Canadian government.

>> No. Not been

>> They're eating burgers, building Vipers

in the 90s, and now they're screwed.

>> That's exactly right.

>> So true. They were screwed then, too,

though. It makes you feel better.

>> Yeah, that's true. Chrysler has been a

difficult story. If this thing comes out

though, I am I'm excited about the GR

GT. Obviously, it's going to be super

cool, whatever. But that's going to be

an unattain expensive, right? This is

really cool.

>> A mid-enine car. Even if it's going to

be 60, which I bet it will be.

>> I bet it will be. Y

>> that's pretty cool. Think about what's

competing at 400 horsepower. You're

talking about Boxster. You're talking

about Lotus.

>> Did you Prelude?

>> At that price point. Yep.

>> Yep.

with two options. You're at 60. All

right. What's our next news story?

Nothing.

>> Yes. So, at the beginning of the of the

year, we talked about Lewis Hamilton

going to Ferrari in this very famous

picture of him now in front of the F40

and everybody's very excited. Well, we

were also excited because Ferrari said

they were potentially considering doing

the idea of a supercar with him. The F44

was, you know, kind of the idea was

going to be kind of an homage to the

F40, not the thing that came out earlier

this year. It's going to be different.

Well, Lewis hasn't had the best season

in Formula 1. It's actually the worst

season of his career. Uh, and Ferrari,

there's been, if you've listened to any

interviews with him, he is not hot about

the team, the brand, anything. It's all

gone quite poorly. And as a result,

Ferrari has reportedly shelved canceled

or at least shelved the F44 project. So,

they're not thrilled either, it seems.

>> How long is Hamilton going to stick

around at Ferrari?

>> I don't know. There was something at

Sebastian Vetel this or was Nico Rosberg

said that he should not leave Ferrari

yet. He should stick around for a little

bit.

>> Well, maybe there's car trouble. You

know, at the start of this year, I

predicted this would happen and you

said, "NO WAY. IT'S HAMILTON. He's going

to be great." And I said, "He's too old.

He's not going to succeed." You can wind

down the tape. Someone Someone hit us.

>> You also noticed that I said, "This year

is not relevant. It will be next year

that matters." Which is what every

Ferrari fan has said for the past 19

years now.

>> All right, dude. Let's go on next year

then. He's only next year's a big year.

The entire formula changes. The cars are

completely different. DRS goes goes

away. It's

>> the most important thing. Yeah. No more

DRS, dude. The most important thing,

>> that's a huge deal in Formula 1.

>> Cadillac is running and they will win.

America. America, dude. Think about

everything this country has given you,

that sweater.

>> You couldn't wear that in Italy. It'd be

taken seriously.

>> Yeah, it's true. Not South The good news

for Lewis is that he made $60 million

this year, and so he's okay.

>> Is that true?

>> Something like that. They pay they pay

him a lot, but he paid 60 mil to lose

and not get enough.

>> No. and he won the only thing Ferrari

won all year, which was a sprint race,

which doesn't count for anything. But

there are some points, you know, but it

was that I mean, man, Ferrari had

another abysmal year, and he seems

depressed, and it looked like it was

>> Take the picture in the rain. I mean,

>> no, that's a Well, the picture's badass.

>> Northern Italy.

>> Well,

yeah.

>> Plus, they took away his house.

>> They took away his house.

>> Oh, that's right. That's right. Our

producer insists that Ferrari gave Lewis

Hamilton Enzo's house. They probably

didn't take it away, but I bet you he

ain't using Nope.

>> I bet you he ain't calling anybody like,

"Hey, come to Stanzo's house this week."

I bet I bet there's not a lot of that

going.

>> Showed up in the rain after race and

they change the lock.

>> So, what happens uh next year in the

Formula 1? When does it start?

>> So, it start first race is the first

weekend of March. Uh

>> March coming around the corner.

>> The formula changes periodically, but

this one is is pretty big. The goal was

they wanted to make the car the racing a

lot tighter. So, a lot of aerodynamic

changes. Like I said, the drag reduction

system DRS goes away. So we say country

with a poor human rights record is the

first race.

>> I don't know. We'll somewhere in the

Middle East.

>> Philippo's like we gota we gota cut

that. Nope. No. I feel no such need.

>> No, we're not going back to Russia.

Filipo can't say anything bad about

Russians.

>> Okay. So in March it starts and that's

when you believe this year. Lewis

Hamilton turning 50 this year. This will

be his year.

>> Turning 50 this year.

>> Okay. But how old is he? He is

>> 40. Yeah.

>> He'll be turning 41 before the start of

the season here. Dude, I got to be

honest with you. The best drivers, like

that fellow who has all the career GT

and Monica, what's his name? The one

whose F40 got crashed by somebody.

>> Oh, Orlando Norris, the current Formula

1 world champ.

>> Okay, he won. Congratulations. You know

why he won? Cuz he's 12 years old. I'm

not screwing with you. He's 12 years

old.

>> He is approximately 12 years old. Yeah,

>> 26. That's the same thing. That's the

same thing.

>> We'll see. I I would I think

>> dude was born in 99. I I want to see

Lewis Hamilton win eight championships

and it would be great to see him win

with Ferrari. But admittedly, even as a

diehard Ferrari fan, I just don't know

how many more years I can take them

losing. This is 18 seasons

consecutively. They have switch to the

team that Lando Norris is on cuz he

seems to win a lot.

>> McLaren. Well, we'll see.

>> I'm going to tell you this and I'm

serious about this. Nobody in the future

of the entirety of Formula 1 who was

alive while the Infiniti J30 was in

production will ever win championship

ever again. Mark my words, it'll never

occur. Pull up a J30 if you want.

>> No,

>> nobody in the history I think we

probably

>> We have We have offered at least one.

>> Let's see.

>> Have we?

>> Oh, wow. There you go. This car, if you

were alive at the time of this car, you

will not ever win a Formula 1

championship. Sorry.

>> Sorry. Everybody born in 1995

>> or 397. That's when it end.

>> We agree with that.

>> I will say 50 production years. Kenan,

do you think that if if he wins next

year and he's still with Ferrari, they

will build the F44?

>> I think if he Yeah, if he's able to win

a championship, absolutely. But that

said, also Michael Schumacher won a lot

of championships with Ferrari. There's

no Michael Schumacher edition. Anything.

Meanwhile, Fernando Alonzo got the

BS599. What do you

>> Schumacher edition? The whole company

was a Schumacher edition for like 15

years.

>> Well, that's that's I know what you're

saying.

>> Wait. Um, you know what? He won't win

though.

>> He was born. He was alive during the J30

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>> All right. This is the fiat toolino.

It's a little mouse. That's what it's

literally called.

>> Really? That's what it means.

>> Yeah. Uh, it is coming to the US.

>> So, a couple weeks ago, uh, Donald

Trump, the president went to Japan or

somewhere was talking about about K

cars. It was a weird phrasing. Thank you

for clarifying. Uh I thought I should uh

>> uh he he said that basically that J that

the JDMK cars were cute and smart and so

Fiat uh and you know FCA generally

wanting to be on on the president's good

side is bringing the Topolino to the US.

>> So the Topolino is theoretically coming

to the US. Is it going to be coming with

uh a rope people out of club?

>> We don't know. We really don't know. But

I can. The one that's sold in the in the

EU is an 8 horsepower, 5.5 kWh battery,

has zero range. It's 44 in shorter, 43

inches shorter, excuse me, than a 500De.

>> You know, I was looking I was looking at

pictures. This one of the press photos

shows um a plug. And you know what the

plug is? It's a household.

>> Yeah, cuz it's a small battery. It's

like your phone.

>> It's European household.

>> Yeah, but it is 110. Is that

>> presumably that's what it is in Europe.

>> Really?

>> It's a house. Dead serious. If you look

up press photos of the plug, it comes

out of like thereish and it's just a

household plug.

>> I mean, think about it. It's a really

small battery. Truly, it's a

>> What is the full range?

>> Uh 47 miles in Europe, which which means

30 in the US.

>> Yeah, cuz European miles are different

than US miles.

>> The the the the WLTP cycle that they use

is much more generous than

>> more compact. So, they decided the miles

4100 ft. They're like, you know, we

don't need uh American so big over

there. It would probably be sold under

the same low speed neighborhood electric

vehicle regulations, not as a car.

Doesn't have to be license plated in

most states.

>> Everyone is excited about Trump saying

that he's into K.

>> The truth is though, Trump can't just

say things. I mean, he can and he does

often.

>> That doesn't mean,

>> but it doesn't necessarily happen. In

fact, often the stuff that he says does

not happen. And in this case, there's 10

zillion regulations that prohibit K

cars, which by the way are annoying.

Let's remove all the regulations. Let's

do a free market, dude. No more no more

chicken tags. Let's get those pickup

trucks in.

>> I do like some of the safety

regulations. I'm supportive.

>> The safety regulations would happen

anyway. New Zealand, okay, has zero

regulations because the market's not

large enough to regulate.

>> And guess what? All cars in New Zealand

still airbags and back.

>> There's not enough because they they're

not going to make a separate car.

Although Mexico also has relatively few.

There are vehicles sold there where they

remove the airbags for sale.

>> They do not remove every car in Mexico's

got airbags. Drive around.

>> You'd be surprised. There are some

massively decontented cars. Everybody in

Mexico is driving around with airbags

except for the ones that they've that

they've

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. Uh, next next one, please. Oh.

>> Oh,

>> a safari and boden boden.

>> This is the Inos Grenadier game viewer.

>> Inos announced this week that they're

building the game viewer. Uh, it's being

built in Batswana. So, they're taking

like a stretched

>> Grenadier, sending it to Batswana where

they will build custom Safari ready

Grenadier.

>> I mean, that is Yeah, that's kind of

where you want to build them. That's not

a bad idea. uh highly so desperate to

sell cars that they've decided okay

>> game reserves in Batswana that's their

target audience

>> they are longer than the normal one

>> have you seen a pickup truck on the road

>> yes one

>> it was right next to the dealer of auto

drive

>> I've seen one there's a guy on Nantucket

to go and that's it I haven't seen one

in California expensive

>> have you seen a pickup do you know that

there is a pickup

>> no I haven't seen one

>> the uh quarter master

>> quarter masters right

>> I reviewed one it was fun

>> yeah it was great uh but this is the

game viewer you'll see it if you go on

safari at like really

>> there is no place to buy a BMW

turbocharged engine.

>> They are sticking to the 70 series.

>> There must be for years that the guys

that run Indios presumably have

investments across might have their own

games. They will sell them to game

appeal to a very certain clientele but

even then they'll have a fleet of

Toyotas in the background for when these

things cause

>> Let me as someone who has done this and

has been on safari for several weeks in

Batswana. I suspect that the 7DC series

will always

>> You want an MDX. You want open

differential.

>> You want an MDX?

>> Acura.

>> Open MDX. Here's what you do. You take

an MDX.

>> An Acura MDX. Just for clarity.

>> Yeah. Yeah. You pull the roof off.

>> Which gen?

>> Uh the 07 one that was really ugly when

it debuted, but has since sort of

morphed into also still ugly, but in a

different way. Do you know what I'm

saying?

>> Yeah. 270 horsepower, 3.5.

>> It was a 37.

>> Oh, it was a 37 by then. You're right.

I'm so sorry.

>> 270 horsepower, 3.7. Ken, would you be

proud to ride around looking at zebras

in this? Would you think the zebras

would be

>> I mean, I prefer to drive my own truck

and that's what we did and that's that's

what I prefer to do. And I would always

pick a land.

>> Ship your M5 there and drive it. I mean,

your own truck.

>> I set my own truck, right?

>> Yeah. Well, rent.

>> Did I stutter? I guess 65. He dropped

his he dropped his rent tune on on on

the hippos. I don't know what's coming.

>> Well, hell yeah. I mean, there's B58

under that hood. Someone's going to tune

the out. I I I should note by the way

that Indios bought the people in

Batswana that are doing this that

they're called people in Batswana

Botswana.

>> The British have already got a history

and don't go watch your language here.

>> I think my language was probably for the

reality on the ground.

>> There's a company that that has a

factory that makes vehicles.

>> Kabango Engineering apparently used to

convert Land Cruisers and Land Rover

Defenders and Inos bought that company

and it's making diesel. Can I tell you

something? If you if you go on street

view in Africa.

>> Sure.

>> You know what cars you see?

>> Large continent.

>> You know what cars you see?

>> Right.

>> Yeah. Don't you not in populated Africa

but like West Africa and like all the

you know what cars you see 100% of the

time?

>> American cars that are no longer used in

America that are No, no, no. It's always

fair. Siennas and Corollas and Matrixes

and cars that were sold new here in

Nebraska and driven by some old lady and

she has no idea that her old car is now

in Ghana, you know, driving 14 people

around. Do you think that Pontiac Vibes

are cheaper than Toyota?

>> Dude, there's a ton of Vibes. If you

like,

>> Do you think the price differential

exists? No. It's all in Africa, it's all

about utility. And everybody in Africa

knows the one. Yeah.

>> If you go on Africa Street View, Ghana

Street View is wild. It's You're like,

"Wait a minute, that's my mom's old

Sienna."

>> Yeah. Yep. That's true.

>> I'm glad it's uh what what else we got?

Any more news?

>> All right. Lotus.

>> This is a Lotus Litra.

>> Oh, yeah. It's famously an electric SUV

that somehow costs $250,000 in the US.

They are for sale in the US.

>> Can go ahead. Go ahead and finish the

story. I want

>> There it's been an EV only that has like

900 something horsepower. Uh Doug maybe

has a review with one. He has to be the

only person that's ever seen one.

>> I've reviewed a full electric.

>> Right. That's all that that there has

been up till today when now apparently

they're going to start building a

plug-in hybrid one uh that has a 2 L

4-cylinder uh and apparently 940ish

horsepower.

>> Great. That'll be

>> more powerful.

>> Lovely. Can you go to um can you type in

Lotus Electra for sale?

>> That's crazy.

>> All right. Just for sale. Uh it's T reus

for sale. Yeah, that's all. And then hit

images.

>> Okay.

>> Um this car is local. This one here, you

can actually click on it. Cars.com. Big

shout out. Tap on that. Uh, this car is

lo local here at Aston Martin of San

Diego. You can buy it today. It's an

Electra for $243,000.

Let me ask you this. Is this the least

desirable $243,000 car?

>> Now, can you think of any Probably some

356.

>> Yeah. Well, always. Um,

>> there's there are 356s that inexplicably

are worth 250 cuz they have one more

horsepower than, you know, only to Jerry

>> Seinfeld. From a performance

perspective, I can think of a worse

ratio like the multi-wind like

Volkswagen buses. Though it is a

desirable car because they're cool.

>> I don't think those are 250 grand

though.

>> I think they are.

>> This is the worst 2 certainly the worst

$250,000 new car.

>> So Lotus,

>> is it the worst new car overall?

>> It's up there. Lotus had a a tough

situation where they were going to sell

these for 100 something$120 130,000

>> where it was already going to be a

depreciation disaster

>> massively. Uh they were early to the

full EV luxury SUV game. It's a somehow

6,000lb Lotus, which doesn't make sense.

Add lightness

a little bit too much.

>> Colin Chapman vision envisioned this

vehicle when he was creating the uh

but then it was built it's built in

China and therefore there's a 100%

tariff on it.

>> Yeah, that that made pricing a little

tough.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, that won't change with the gas

one. I'm not sure the gas one's coming

to the US cuz

>> why would they bother?

>> Yeah. Uh, it is based on a different

Zeke Chinese EV or plug-in hybrid. It's

using the same power.

>> Tough situation here. Yep.

>> But you know what?

>> Lotus took a risk. Lotus took a risk and

it really failed.

>> Really failed.

>> Yep.

>> Sometimes your numbers come up and

sometimes they don't.

>> I will say producing in China was a risk

from the beginning. There tariffs were

always a threat against China. Even

Biden had them. The US market's never

going to like these things heavily. The

Lotus brand presumably is not very

strong in China. So, it's not like

they're even recording a lot of sales

there by

>> Yeah, I know. But it's not like the

Chinese are like Lotus. They don't know.

They don't have any history with this

brand. And even if they did, the history

would be the same as everybody else's

history, which is that the brand has

largely been a failure for our entire

lives.

>> But don't you kind of want an Amir?

>> No. Uh, I want that MR2.

>> I'd like to drive one. I'm

>> like I want that MR2.

>> If they do a stick of that MR2 and it

feels fast,

>> 400 horsepower should

>> I would review it well, but not buy it.

>> Yep. That's Yep. That sounds right. We

got any more news? I got one more news

story.

>> So, it's all designed.

>> This is my all-time favorite car.

>> I'm sad that the picture for this wasn't

the guy in the bicycle looking

>> who's like looking at it like it's all

designed, famous for designing the

Columbus, of course, but also the first

generation Golf, the BMW M1, a bunch of

other cars that we know and love and

other cars that are hideous. Uh they've

done both. Uh that was founded by Getto

Jaro. Uh Audi and Lamborghini have owned

them for a while. Yeah, Audi or

Lamborghini all owned by Audi uh have

sold the majority stake of it to a

company called US

>> and on their website US is like like the

subline is we don't just use AI we

reimagine industries with it and they're

located in like San they're located in

Orange County. So, so Ital Design is

owned by a company that's headquarters

is off the off Jambbury Road off the 73.

That's that's what we're at now. Atel

Design, this is a company that gave us

some of the all-time most most famous

car. Jujaro was working for these guys.

>> Well, luckily there's good news about

that. I mean, they they're an AI based

company. Luckily, most of it designs

look like AI errors. Uh, so that's not

too bad. But the other thing, I guess,

is maybe this is maybe now's your

chance. Maybe now they'll be willing to

sell the Columbus.

>> Oh, that's such a good idea. and they're

just up the road. All I got to do is

drive up to 73

>> and be like, "Yo, I know that you guys

gave us some of the alltime greatest

cars in history,

>> but can you sell me this,

>> right? I value your heritage and I would

like to own a piece of it."

>> We We knew, by the way, we talked a few

months ago that Audi was looking to sell

at least a portion of it design. They

They're not using it.

>> I would I would offer them what this is

worth, too, honestly.

>> Yeah. Like

>> 50

>> $18,000. I I would give them every penny

of $18,000. I will say this is one of my

so traditionally PR announcements have

like where each company's from like the

location of the PR announcement and the

PR announcement for this has Germany

Monte Caleri Italy and Aliso VJO

>> Aliso Vjo

>> wow dude I'm telling you something the

Lotus is spree was an Italian design all

of the original Hyundai's the Delorean

the Subaru SVX one of your all-time

favorites yes the original Golf Jarro

was there the 159 every alpha the Brea

>> Oh the Yeah now here they are the M1 one

like you said and now here they are off

Jambburye Road.

>> They're actually on at five Polaris Way.

I don't no one knows where anything is

right off the 73 off of a park.

>> I'm going to tell you this and I'm not

trying to be a jerk to Orange County,

but once once you're inland Orange

County, there's no way to know where

anything is. You have to have a GPS even

if you live there and have lived there

your whole life.

>> So true. That's so true.

>> That's very true.

>> Uh okay, that's our last new story. What

a shame. A Cal Design the grand history.

>> Yep. They're now an AI company in Aliso

Viejo. Yep.

>> How the mighty have fallen.

>> Then again, don't forget the Courage GT

was designed in in a in a strip mall in

Huntington Beach. The greatest car ever

with a Formula 1 engine.

>> Never used.

>> I like the additional qualifications.

It's not the greatest car ever. Just the

greatest car ever that has a Formula 1

engine. Oh,

>> it was I was trying to say the greatest

car ever and it has a Formula 1 engine.

>> Okay, I got it.

>> Comma.

>> The By the way, you know what we're not

talking about today and we should be on

the news is that Hagerty released that

list where they always say what cars are

going to go up in value. Now, this list

is a little scary. It's like that Grammy

for best new artist cuz usually the cars

they pick go down in value.

>> Yeah, like the stop 900.

>> Like the SUB 900. A BIG pick of theirs

>> of which I'm a fan to be clear.

>> That would like a 50% decline after they

picked it. Any who, the career GT is on

the list. What are your thoughts on that

list there? Does it have anything else

good?

>> I mean, we can pull it up. We can we can

>> do we do we go pull it up?

>> Bull market list Hagerty. What's on

there?

>> Uh I seem to recall a bunch of other

good stuff. Uh, the the Alpha GTV is on

there.

>> Producer would be thrilled.

>> The C6 Z06 is on there. R33 Skyland GTR.

>> You know what truck? The 454 SS pickup.

>> Those are cool.

>> That is real. Uh, Mark III.

>> That is cool.

>> Golf Golf E60M.

>> That is a car that is absolutely going

up.

>> An NB Miata, which I can't imagine

>> does anything in value.

>> You know, I will say I think that

compared relative to the other cars on

this list, the Carrera GT will go up on

a percentage basis the most. These two

will not at all.

>> Actually, I think the Carrera GT will go

up in the value that it will cover the

rest of it group.

>> I feel like we in the aggregate they

want to

>> the Ram charger rate going up. You got

to wonder though, uh, you know, are they

running out of cars to put on the list?

>> No, I mean the GTV values plummeted in

the last year. So maybe they'll just

kind of take back up to where

>> is that a Studebaker Hawk? What is that?

>> Yeah, nobody knows.

>> We don't get into the old Hagerty.

>> It's a Continental Mark 2. Hagerty to

their credit has an incredible amount of

data and incredibly talented data

people. So I imagine there's reason

behind these choices.

>> There are many years where their list

has been actually pretty successful. The

cars have gone up, but there are some

years where it has.

>> And in 2021, what car wasn't?

>> Right. Some of their picks actually.

>> No, we love the people.

>> Anyway, credit's on there. The greatest

car made. And one of the things they

wrote in the article was that it's the

Formula 1 engine is probably a big

reason why it's going to continue to

rise.

>> Did they really? No.

>> No. Uh, and you want to know why? cuz

they're not idiots. That's why.

>> You want to know why they didn't write

that? Because Because uh it um I'm told

it doesn't have a Formula 1 engine.

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>> All right, we got to get into the talk

car segment, which of course is

sponsored by uh Kenon's Rent tune.

>> Oh, yes. Uh horsepower.

>> Many badges are on this car to signify

it.

>> Yep. Three. Two of them. I'm going to

take off all three. But

>> the first the first big top cars that I

think we should talk about.

>> Yeah.

>> Is the Dougber arrival.

>> We should arrival.

>> Doug Simber is back. We're hitting it

hard this year. We are. We got the

Rivian new Rivian thing. The new Rivian

quad motor which was cool. The 93 turbo

announcement. The Citron DS. The Hyundai

Crater. And then this week the Cadillac

Celestic. Did you watch my Celesteic

video?

>> I have yet to watch. This is the only if

if you're going to

>> Oh, I will watch it. No, no, I will

certainly watch it.

>> There. This is some good stuff. Show us

the Celestic thing. You don't have to

click on it. Look at that. This is good

stuff. This is an American Rolls-Royce

for

>> I'm excited to watch.

>> The standard of the world has returned.

And how will it sell?

>> Poorly.

>> Okay.

>> And it's going to be a depreciation

disaster. Much like the Lotus Elite

Tree.

>> How much is a Okay. So, this feels uh

Lincoln Continental Coach Doores to me.

>> Yeah.

>> Where they did something different.

>> Luxurious doors open backwards.

>> It's 400 though,

>> right? But how much is like how much did

a Continental Coach door drop?

>> How much?

>> Has it Has it maintained value?

>> No.

>> Oh, it won't either.

>> No. This is going to be It's going to be

a tough resell. It's going to be a

tough. Do you want to share some of the

other things you have coming up in Doug

Simber for the people to look forward

to?

>> Uh yeah.

>> What are they?

>> Uh you've got a Singer review coming up.

>> Zinger, not Singer. If you thought be

thrilled it ain't. You don't have to sit

through one of those. It's the Zinger,

which we in the office call sizinger

because that's what it looks like, but

it's Zinger is apparently what it's

actually called.

>> Uh the Cadillac Voyage.

>> The Cadillac Voyage and the new RAV 4 GR

Sport.

>> Whoa. Wow. I'm buckled in.

>> You know what? You know what I also am

realizing? I totaled up I did how much I

spent on car repairs in 25. It didn't

include the Countach broke down after I

made that video. I made that video

December one and then the Countach

couldn't make it through the month.

>> Let's talk about that. That's my next

talk car is the Countach is back.

Countach broke down last week and uh and

it's back. It broke down I think on the

way to the pod last week and now it's

back.

>> It's back.

>> It was Tuesday last week. So it's back

eight days later. All good. drives

pristinely. What happened from the shop

to here?

>> The clutch master cylinder uh failed.

And you know what's interesting? Because

I went back and looked, this car had a

service in 2005 that was more than the

value of the car.

>> Wow.

>> Uh in 2005 it had a $75,000 service,

which in today's money has got to be

$150,000. And the car at that time was

worth maybe 75.

>> That's how cheap they were.

>> Oh yeah. Wow.

>> Oh yeah.

>> Maybe less. And um I went back and

looked and you know what part was not

replaced during that service? The master

cylinder. The slave was and the slave

hadn't failed, but I told them to just

replace the slave anyway.

>> You should replace them in tandem

anyway.

>> We replaced them together.

>> But wow. So it was original. I mean

either original or even older than that.

I don't have any records before that

service. It was 25 years ago.

>> Sure. Was that original or older?

>> Yeah. It came off a 350 GT.

>> Well, it was original or older than that

being older than that service that I'm

referencing. I don't know. It may be

newer than original.

>> You know what? If they did that much

work and didn't replace it, I I'd put

money on it being original. In which

case, it legitimately just didn't owe

you anything. It's just an old component

that's years.

>> Yeah. Couldn't tell. It's still going.

>> How did it feel with a new feel?

>> Oh, it it drives so well.

>> It It's just the greatest. Now, I will

say on the way back here, I hit 64,000

km, uh, which is 39,800

miles. So, I'm this close to 40,000

miles in that car.

>> Big 40.

>> 40,000 miles. I bought the car for those

of you keeping track at home with 37,000

almost exactly.

>> So 3,000 miles in the Countach.

>> Not bad in a Countach.

>> How many miles you put on it

>> on that Countach?

>> Yeah.

>> 12.

>> Have you driven it?

>> No.

>> Damn. Why not?

>> You have I haven't had an opportunity to

>> I've missed two opportunities to drive

that car and I It's I regret it every

day.

>> Oh, I don't think about it.

>> I was sick for one and then I was out of

town for I know Filipo, we know. We

understand it's not for you. The 993 has

problems, too.

>> What? Uh

>> oh.

>> Yeah. Yeah. There. Nothing major. Still

driving it every day.

>> With one of the four power seat

controls.

>> We put uh we got all four We got two

kids and two adults in the car.

Everybody's driving around and it's

great.

>> But uh you know, the car hasn't been

used like I'm using it in a long time.

I've driven it 3,000 mi in uh 60 days.

>> That's crazy.

>> Um and 3,000 mi before that it had been

many years. And so uh it's it's it's had

some issues. It hasn't broken down or

anything, but there's a a warning light

on that the fan belt has failed. Fan

belt's a big deal in that car because

it's air cooled. Um, it has not failed.

I checked that the the sensor has

failed. Yeah. Um, the glove box broke.

There's like little things. So, it's

going in as well for service. I mean,

>> 2026

>> 26.

>> Pretty normal to like you said, you just

got this car. There will be things that

you have to

>> you shake down. You discover some

things. Also, I've I was planning not to

do an oil change until the spring, but

I've driven it so much that now I kind

of have to do it right away. One, the

reason I brought these things up is

because this is car. This is owning cool

fun cars.

>> I agree.

>> They sometimes they break and you're on

a roll back and and the car goes in and

you got to do a master and slave

cylinder. Some days it's the glove box

breaks. This is if you want to have fun

cars, cool cars. This is the kind of

thing that happens.

>> Yes, I know. I've been doing this for a

decade.

>> Filippo on the other hand,

>> my cars don't break down. Are you going

to Yeah. Well, there

boring stuff. Can you tell us about the

situation? I I'm I'm in active

negotiations

>> on a car. We're not going to say which.

We're not going to talk about it, folks.

I know.

>> Kenan knows. People off camera know the

fellow he's negotiating with whose name

is Luke. He knows.

>> But we're not going to share it with you

until next week when Filippo drives the

car through our podcast.

>> That would be incredible. Slowly. I

don't want to damage it.

>> You feeling good that this is going to

happen? Like a very high likelihood,

too? Yeah, seems like a very high

likelihood.

>> I just don't want to be like scooped,

you know?

>> I'm a little

>> But by by Friday when this comes out, I

better own the car, but we'll see.

>> I'm a little bit anxious about you

driving an expensive car.

>> As I like you have not treated your

other cars well.

>> I would have to treat this marginally

nicer and more nicer.

>> No, no, no. Not marginally. I think you

got I mean like

>> I am I am also worried.

>> You won't be able to devote your garage

to woodworking projects anymore. I know

that is going to be a real issue with

>> Do you remember when the

>> Remember when he mounted the front plate

to the GTI and didn't and didn't clean

the bugs off the bumper?

>> Yep, I remember that. You

>> I washed it after.

>> Now I washed it after

>> when the when the front plate was

already on.

>> Uh I you and I did a video a while ago

about how to wash a car. I think that

will come in that will come in handy.

>> Do you know that when we went we did

this we did some desert thing. You'll

see it in a couple of weeks. Uh, and

when we went out there, his battery has

failed in this 500 bar and he just

starts it with a jump box every single

time.

>> It I want to be clear,

>> we filmed side, so it was like on brand.

But like

>> we we filmed a little series last week

which which was very fun. I hadn't

driven that Fiat in 3 weeks. I wasn't

aware the battery failed cuz it had sat

in my driveway undriven.

>> See?

>> And now I will get a new battery.

>> You will need to have this car on like a

battery tender if it's going to sit.

>> I plan on driving it quite regularly.

We're going down to So, here's what we

right now we own three cars. Three and a

half cars.

>> Uh the 500 Bar Cabriolet, the Volkswagen

GTI, and our Mercedes station wagon.

>> Yeah.

>> Uh we're going to get rid of two of

those.

>> Yeah.

>> And replace them with the car that I'm

buying. So, the GTI and the Bar are

leaving. And this car that I'm buying

will be the car that I drive around.

>> You know, he's also getting a carbureted

pickup truck.

>> Oh, right. I forgot about

>> inherited from my late father-in-law is

a 19 late7s F250.

>> How long you have to keep that thing?

Forever.

>> Forever.

>> A familial obligation requires forever.

>> Forever. No. That's not not gonna

happen.

>> For it'll be great. My My wife will will

love it.

>> No, she won't. She will really hate it

when it fouls up and like she needs

points. She dies.

>> Is it Does it drive? We don't know. So,

the the

>> You should here's an issue. I'm told my

late father-in-law was a mechanic.

>> My brother-in-law helped him with some

projects.

>> I'm told that they had it running like 6

months ago. It has since sat outside.

What's What motors is it? 351 Cleveland

420. Yeah, I hope so.

>> By all accounts, it ran recently enough.

It should be easy enough to get running.

I suspect it'll need brakes, tires, some

of the consumables, but that's easy.

>> Who's easy enough to get running? You're

not going to get this thing running.

>> I don't know. We'll figure it out.

>> I got to get it ready for How are you

going to get it here?

>> I will have to figure that out. It's

currently in Arizona.

>> May I suggest

>> I will rent a U-Haul trailer.

>> May I suggest using a Dodge Power Wagon?

>> I would love that.

>> They seem pretty heavy.

>> Yeah. Yeah. I I suspect that I will

probably have to like rent a car that

can has a towing capacity and a hit.

>> You're going to tow this thing 12 hours.

>> It's 6 hours.

>> Not with towing.

>> Ah, seven.

>> No, no,

>> it's like nine.

>> It's got to be

>> especially you California towing speed

limit 55.

>> Especially you towing. Like you're going

to go him in a gas station with a with a

trailer backing up. Why is it going left

if I'm turning right? I don't

understand. I don't understand.

>> I have towed regularly before you have

regularly. When have you towed boats?

>> Last time we were out on the water 6

months ago. 6 months ago. Right around

>> actually once.

>> No, I I'M

ON THE WATER. I TOW BOATS.

>> Quite comfortable towing.

>> Sleepy.

I do lead a fascinating life. Thank you.

I'm quite comfortable towing. I just got

to get it home. That's the hard part.

>> You're going to have this.

>> What are you going to do with it when

it's home? You're not going to

You can't put that at your house. I'm

like worst cars on my trucks.

>> There's that that huge pickup truck

across the street. That guy

>> only sometimes. Thankfully,

>> only sometimes.

>> This guy with a case of Hey buddy, want

to work on the truck?

>> That's the worst part. He'll want to

talk about it.

>> Yeah. All right.

>> This is an F250.

>> Yeah. Ranger.

>> Yeah.

>> XLT.

>> It's a serious truck, but like

>> it's a it's a great truck. It

>> I think we will pull up what this is.

>> Like it's like a 77 something.

>> 77 F 250 Ranger.

>> Take that in. See what feel

>> it's got some good patina.

>> Is it a beor?

>> Um, it is actually a balora, but it's

primarily just patina and blue.

>> Are you gonna get it like if you got

staying like that?

>> Look at those mirrors.

>> More like that car auction one. Uh,

>> it it's going to stay like that

obviously. Uh, but that won't be an

Arizona.

>> Wait, what? Yours? 778? I don't

remember. You realize that's smog.

>> Yeah, you have to. Yeah, 75. You got

there.

>> Interesting.

>> Oh man, finally.

>> But it's based on it's based on the

admissions requirements at the time,

right?

>> You will not pass.

>> You will not pass. There's no

>> There is not I'm going to tell you. I'm

going tell you. If you ask the state

legislators and the C and state

legislators and the C the CHP, there is

not a single car in California

registered from 1976 to about 1988. They

don't exist. They don't exist. THEY'RE

NOT HERE.

>> Remain titled in Arizona. We'll see.

We'll find out. It's a an interesting

point. I had a thought about smog. Uh,

but I'm excited to have it in my life.

>> Five bucks.

>> Of course not. This isn't a car I

purchased. This is a car that has been

very kindly given to me.

>> Well, the state of California doesn't

want this car. Okay.

>> However, if you get those wheels on it,

>> my wife is very excited, though, cuz it

will be like a cool

>> Illinois. They want them, I'll tell you

that.

>> Yeah, buddy.

>> Yeah,

>> it'll be a cool

>> This truck's too nice, though. This guy

doesn't take this into this mud. He

backed it off a trailer, took the

picture, and now he's back,

>> which is exactly how Fippa will use it.

>> I'm excited about it.

trailer.

>> It does look good. I'll give you that.

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>> Uh, all right. What What other uh news

What other top cars stories? Ken, you

went to uh the the Southeast.

>> I did. Yeah, I went to New Orleans to

film with a Jaguar XK140. They'll be

coming up on the site very soon.

>> Fastest car in the world, just like my

Countach was.

>> It was the 120. Like, well, I just I'm

stunned as I did research on this car

like the the records that it held. The

120 like from 1949 till 1953. It set our

speed record every single year.

>> Really? Like the car just got

>> and the crazy

>> broke in and went faster

>> kind of. But the the thing the one that

blew my mind was uh it was in 53 they

did

>> they they in 52 they set a record. It

was like over it was like 130 mph

sustained for an hour

>> and the driver got out and said, "Wow,

this car feels so good. It could do it

for a week." And they the next day they

were, you know, let's do that. And so

they did for a week. They averaged over

100 miles an hour for 7 days and seven

nights. Stopping to change the I think

they changed the wheels and the tires

and they changed the drivers obviously

and they were nursing a suspension

problem, but they still did it. You're

kidding.

>> No. 17,000 mi in a week

>> in the 1950s. I mean, that's pretty

amazing.

>> You couldn't do that in a Jag today.

>> No, mostly because they don't build

cars. Um, but how? But it just like that

it was very cool to drive and it and we

were talking about how it's hard like

sometime the challenge of using a car or

living with a car kind of is the appeal.

And the cars from the 50s I've never

really been attracted to, but having

driven it now I get it. Like I

understand it's funny like you go around

the corner there's no bolster on the

seats. You got to hold yourself like

with your elbow on the outside of the

car and it looks so cool and it sounds

awesome.

>> Big steering wheel.

>> Huge steering wheel and like Yeah. Thin

rim, but it's got cutouts for your

fingers and like

>> Yeah, exact. Yeah. Yes, you were. Yes.

>> You just learned the word trimming. I

want to ask you a question about this

cuz you've used it a lot in the last

week, but never before like last

Thursday.

>> I like a good trim, dude.

>> Interesting. All right. Sorry. Continue,

Kevin.

>> Uh, anyway, so yeah. So, that was

fantastic. It was nice to be back in New

Orleans, too. I love New Orleans. And

then I went to St. Pete, Florida. Driven

a McLaren MP4 12C Spider, which will be

coming soon site 2. Been very interested

in those cars. I've only driven a 720S.

I've never driven uh like pull up. Pull

up an MP4.

>> Uh have 70 to 12.

>> Uh let's see.

>> You can just type in MP4. There's not a

lot of different models of MP4. That's

>> true.

>> Wow. 70 to 100.

>> 80 to 110.

>> Yeah. And this one, it's a oneowner

roadster. Um it's in has 13,000 miles on

it, whatever. I mean, it's a nice nice

car owned by a fascinating guy, too.

He's the chief strategist for Turner

Motorsport. And he has he's won two

drivers championships and and 12 uh

constructor's championships with or

championships with uh with Turner.

>> What did you think of the car?

>> Loved it. It feels way more exotic than

I was expecting, especially given its

price point. I mean, it feels more like

a $300,000 car.

>> Better than Ferrari.

>> Uh it was definitely faster, that's for

sure. Um but it's uh it had more torque.

Uh, and this I have to say the spider

you're much closer to the engine, so you

get the sounds. You get the turbo sound,

you get the great sound of the V8. I

think that makes it feel more exotic,

which was a criticism level at the car

at the time. But I think they are

tremendous value and they stay reliable.

>> The thing Well, the thing is like

there's a lot the later ones did get

more reliable. The really early ones we

had to slide to open the door, which is

what FIFA would buy. Those ones are

inexpensive for a reason cuz they are a

little

>> Wait, the later ones they switch that to

a real door handle.

>> Yeah, there's a button and they actually

Yeah. So you just press the button. In

the early McLaren,

>> what year is it early and late? 12,

right? Didn't 12. I think in the early

McLarens, you literally just sort of

>> You think I'm not familiar?

>> They did that. They did away with that

immediately.

>> You know, my parents when I was a kid

had an MP4 12C. It was a VCR.

>> Nice. Yes, that the name is a bit tough.

I

>> Thank you. Thank you.

>> It was later called the 12C for a good

reason cuz the name is terrible. Um, but

the card

>> 12C is pretty stupid also, especially

since it doesn't have 12 cylinders

>> right now. Yes. Well, yeah. But then

Dodichi Chilindry is not exactly great.

There's no

>> 12 builder.

>> Anything around 12 C just doesn't really

work. 4C kind of works and 8C.

>> I agree these are cool cars. I agree

they are values in today's market. I

think they look really cool.

>> Well, and the the last point I want to

make. They are also well supported now

by third party places that service it.

When the car came out, oh yes, MCMetics

like there's a company that goes around

and like come to you and service your

car like and they work specialize in

MP412C and like the early cars which I

think is cool. There are there's a lot

more support for this car now than there

was when it came out. So, you don't have

to take it to a dealer. And I think that

actually makes it substantially more

compelling to own as enthusiasts have

gotten into it.

>> Are you compelled? No, I don't buy

automatic cars.

>> This is not for Don't buy automatic

cars. Yeah. Uh-huh.

>> I own one adittedly, but it's a

Mercedes.

>> We own the same number of automatics.

>> I own more manuals.

>> I need more power.

>> We only buy autos for daily drive.

>> Yeah, that's it.

>> And I did an F250. That That one.

>> That's That's an auto.

>> Two on the tree. Like I think it's a

three-speed. It might be two.

>> It is. Man, you are not ready for this.

I can't believe you didn't think about

this.

>> I I'm going to Arizona tomorrow or

that's in this. And I will go figure out

first of all, is there a key? Cuz I'm

not 100% sure the key does it close to

turning on. Is there a battery or

anything like I don't know anything

about this truck? I will find out.

>> What do you think it's worth? 500.

>> It's It's worth a lot of sentimentality

to my very sentimental.

>> I'll tell you what it will be. When it

Here's You know why he didn't think

about registration? Because you're never

going to drive it. It's just going to

sit there.

>> It's going to ask your question dead

serious. Don't you think a nice way to

let the memory live on is we destroy

like Sean if

>> I thought you were going to say bury it

like Hooie would.

>> No, it's too big. If if given the

opportunity Sean would love to do

something where we destroy this car. I

know a guy who has a junkyard down in

South.

>> Absolutely not doing that.

>> Okay. But but imagine the memory like

the memory's created in that moment,

>> right?

>> Right.

>> Mhm.

>> I mean, yeah. If I get to shoot that

thing with a 50 run over it. We'd run

over it.

>> You know what we That's It's It's We'd

be hard. We know what we do. We get one

of those 07 MDXs and we get six of them

and we just keep trying to run over the

F250 until we're good.

>> We borrow Cruiser and run.

>> This is like a $10,000 video, too.

Nothing is expensive.

>> My late father-in-law Craig had a huge

lifted '05 F250. Could drive over this

other one.

>> Would have been pretty into shooting it.

>> Who ended up getting the '05?

>> Uh, his son.

>> You got screwed. did not want a 800

horsepower turbo diesel.

>> You didn't want this either.

>> I did. I'm excited about this. Uh we got

to move on to our market report which is

uh which is sponsored of course by

Kennon's rent.

>> Sponsored by Cars and Bids.

>> Oh yeah, the market report sponsored by

Cars and Bids. Folks, if you want to buy

a car, if you want to sell a car, if you

want to think about a car, go to Cars

and Bids. That's where your greatest

cars are. Can you pull up that Supra? We

got a We got a nice

This is a oneowner. Did you know that?

This is a one. It's in the subtitle.

>> Ignore the the fact that it has a

temporary license plate on it from

issued last week. This is a one-owner

car. No, seriously. This is incredibly

cool. 60,000 mi. This is a fixed roof

coupe. Filippo knows what I'm talking

about cuz he's in the Corvette

community.

>> That's right. C5.

>> This is a fixed roof coupe. This is the

real deal. Ken, are you interested?

>> It is cool. It's nice to see one. So

stock.

>> We get I mean the ones we get some very

heavily modified ones, but we get a lot

of very stock cared for ones as well.

There are still them out there.

>> They are still around. I mean, this one

lives in a neighborhood that looks like

this, which I think is great.

>> Let me ask you a question. Well, it's

one owner. Dude, bought it.

>> Yeah.

>> Let me ask you. I mean, this is an

expensive car in 1996.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Let me ask you a question, Ken. If you

could have this or an NSX, what would

you have?

>> NSX.

>> What about this or any of the other

Japanese sports cars? Would you rather

have an FD?

>> Would you?

>> I'd rather have this than a 3000 GT.

>> Well, duh duh duh.

>> 300 ZX.

>> I will say it was in Texas. Uh, and that

presumably was oil money at the time.

>> Actually, thinking. Yeah, cuz I'd rather

>> I would rather have this than an NSX.

>> Would you rather have this than a Well,

I guess it depends on which GTR. Any

GTR?

>> Uh, I'd rather have an R34 GTR. That is

true. But left-hand drive converted.

>> The market would rather have a GTR or an

NSX.

>> The market would not rather have an NSX.

>> Yeah.

>> No.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. No, I think he's right. If you had

a 96 NSX with 60,000 mi, I think it

sells for more than this car. a oneowner

96 NSX with 6,000 miles. It sells for

>> it's in the same ballpark,

>> but they're they are in the they're in

the ballpark. And remember, in this this

car, Paul Walker says, "Nice car. What

does it cost or whatever?"

>> Yeah. What's the retail on those?

>> What's the retail on one of those?

>> More than you can afford, pal. My how

those two values have

>> The irony, Filippo, of that is that the

Supra is now worth more.

>> I understand. So the Supra, even though

he was told that it was more than you

can afford, pal, is actually the more

expensive.

>> Took us 25 years.

>> Was it was that 35? Was it an F1? I

don't remember. Of

>> course it was an F1. They were shooting

at Hollywood. You think that guy can

drive on stick? Uh, okay. I want to talk

Cybertruck first.

>> Uh, I want to talk Cybertruck first. We

had a Cybertruck sale or maybe it was a

no sale, I don't know, for $61,000. But

folks, Cybert trucks are knocking

knocking on the 50s.

>> Wow.

>> I'm just putting it out there.

>> Other cyber trucks have reached the 50s.

I'm not saying it's a good deal. I'm not

saying you should do it. I'm just saying

this is a market report. I am simply

reporting the truth. The Cybertruck is

knocking on the door of the 50s.

>> How much is a Cyber Truck?

>> This is a year old, by the way.

>> Current Cybertruck offers from Tesla

new.

>> Yeah. Yeah. What do they offer

>> for a Cybertruck $729 a month?

>> That's way too much.

>> Way too much.

>> 50s, folks.

>> That's remarkable.

>> They'll be there soon. The Beasts are

still more. The Beasts are still like

80.

>> They won't be for long. This is gonna be

a 35 car in 18 months.

>> I'm not I'm not It's an incredibly

capable $35,000 car.

>> I'm

>> capable of what?

>> Speed.

>> Irritating.

>> Speed and turning and tight radiuses.

>> In this is going to be 35 in 18 months.

You mark my words. Call us up on the pod

in December in in June or July of 27.

Yep.

>> And let's see what cyber choice.

>> Can you imagine the the demographic

that's going to end up with these things

is going to be crazy.

>> It's Hummer H2s. This is the Hummer H2

of the modern era. Wow, that is such a

great analogy.

>> This is the homage, too. It It is It is

very striking and sells to a certain

person and then it depreciates like

crazy and it loses its strikingness and

its luster and its excitement. I mean,

you see these now and you feel a little

sorry for the people driving them,

right?

>> Mhm. I mean,

>> they were cool. They were cool for a

year.

>> Not cool.

>> They were cool.

>> It was cool to see it initially. I have

to say when they came out, there wasn't

a person in the world who didn't text me

like, I just saw some sort of angled

truck. I don't know what it was. Holy

crap.

>> Notable and cool. Different.

>> Oh, they were. God, what a contra

refuses to admit what he

>> agree with. I think that it was the

first one I saw like I remember where I

was the first time I saw it. I was like,

>> do you really?

>> Yeah. Was that the the balcony of my

apartment complex looking there

>> Kennedy assassination 911 and the first

cyber?

That's right. Cuz I'm old enough to have

seen the Kennedy assassination.

>> Pull up the the GTR, please.

>> Yeah, we sold a GT the R35 T folks

>> spec for so much money. The T-spec was a

very special car at the very end, but

this sold for $163,000.

And I just want to make a point here.

GTRS never got cheap. They never went

down in value. They are still incredibly

desirable. And there is still a huge

community of people who absolutely love

these cars and really, really, really

are are buying them and spending real

money on them.

>> MSRP was 140.

>> 140.

>> And presumably you got this at or below

MSRP.

>> Yeah. So GTRS and go back to G. Go type

in R35 GTR

>> or just R35.

>> You what? We can have regular Skylines

VQ. Dude, I mean these are still an 09

for 80. What was the sticker on that?

80.

>> Yeah. Yeah. Inflation. But you get the

point.

>> So cheap early, too. Yeah,

>> that is amazing. Do you think it's

because you know they all look almost

exactly the same? The performance still

very good.

>> No, it's because the performance is

incredible. They are unbelievably

tunable. They have turned out to be

pretty robust in terms of reliability.

The early cars were a little bit less

so, but but there's an enormous

community around fixing any issues that

come up and they just didn't make all

that many. Even though the car was in

production for 16 years, they just

didn't make all that many.

>> And it's funny because we all idolize

the R34. But in the end, this car will

remain a tremendously desirable,

exciting car for years, years, years to

come.

>> MSRP was sub 80.

>> Sub 80. 77, wasn't it?

>> Uh yeah, for for that year. It it had

gone up seven grand from 08 to09. It was

70 It was a $70,000 car when it came

out.

>> Wow.

>> Still was a $70,000 car for pretty much

all of them.

>> These cars remain tremendously

desirable, tremendously popular, well

supported. Look at that black edition.

Sells for 74 with 43,000 m. That person

bought that car, daily it

>> essentially.

>> Uh and still got real money out. It is

interesting to see which special

editions the market rewards that B that

Skyline edition which was just Bayside

blue and nothing else. Market isn't

going to go that much over sticker for

that.

>> Yeah, the market didn't hate that

though. 143 is still a real number.

Yeah,

>> the T-spec though seems like it's the

might end up being one of the desirable

specs. I still very rare I see a GTR on

the street which shocks me. This is to

me this is still an exotic car and I

have a suspicion the market will treat

these like Supras and NSXs where we we

saw them a lot in the day in the period

in 20 years we're going to tell our kids

we used to see those just driving around

like you would think you'd see if you

saw an NSX now you'd be like wow like

someone's drive if you saw a MarkV now

you'd be like I can't believe someone's

just cruising around in that in 20 years

we're going to say about these cars.

>> Two points on that. One is that like I

still even I still don't feel like I

ever saw them regularly. I never saw

them. I mean you see them occasionally

but it's it's quite rare. always noted

it. Second thing is because of cars and

coffee and where we live,

>> I think I see more R34 GTRS than R35,

which is

>> these are going to age in a way that the

market continues to view not just the

T-spec, but the market will continue to

view this car as special forever. It was

just a lot of power, reliable power,

tunable power, huge culture around it.

Very special.

>> Changed the game for sure.

>> If Fast and Furious was made today, Paul

Walker would be driving one of these.

>> I think he is in one of the later

movies, too.

>> R35.

>> Well, his brother maybe. Um they made

48,000 over the lifetime globally.

>> Globally a lot of cars.

>> That's low. I mean you

>> it's low given the period of time.

>> I mean for like a a

top of the lineup car Halo car like that

>> they made 20,000 original NSXs

over a very similar

>> two and a half.

>> Um and they made 19,000 second gen NSXs.

I remember when in about 0809 I lived in

Madison, Wisconsin and in like a normal

neighborhood there was a GTR street

parked and like at the time it was a

notable car but it was also a $70,000

car.

>> It wasn't that different from somebody

buying a totally top of the line

>> and I still think to this day it is sort

of like that. It's it's notable but you

oh there's a GTR you're not taking a

picture of it. In 20 years you'll be

taking a picture of it.

>> It's going to be special. It is special.

>> Has anybody manual swap GTRS? Is that a

thing?

>> I don't think people want to do that.

It's It's a really stout dual clutch. It

is a really stout dual clutch.

>> It handles a lot of power. Like a lot a

lot of the early ones had some troubles,

but the It is a lot of power.

>> And so many of them are built for

straight line speed. So they just are

numbers. They're number.

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Code demiuro. D mur o. Two more things I

want to discuss. Three more things maybe

uh in terms of market report. It's a

high. It's a longer market report today.

Uh the mega cruiser. Can you pull up the

mega cruiser? We sold a mega.

>> We love the mega.

>> Remember the land cruiser cruises land.

The mega cruiser cruises

>> mega

>> mega. We sold the mega cruiser for

115,000 United States. It was a civilian

car up in Oregon. Rightand drive.

>> Uh not a lot of these come up and sell.

Uh bring the trailer which is a

different auction platform. They had uh

one they had a high roof. I don't know

if you saw this. that high civilian car

really really fell short of reserve is

my guess. It was somewhere in the 80s.

It was it was not as nice as this. It

was it was it was a more special one

because it had like a higher roof and

like all this seating,

>> but the the market does not love these

cars like it did when we had our first

one. That left-hand drive car that sold

for over 300,000. Obviously, this is not

a left-hand drive car. I think that

would have helped the value.

>> Yeah, I think that's has a major impact.

>> But still, the Mega Cruiser, type in

Mega Cruiser just so we don't get the

Ram Mega cabs. Uh, the mega cruiser

still does do pretty well. The market is

still,

>> especially the civilian

civilian are worth a ton more than the

military cars. So cool, even with

>> that level of cool. Why don't we own one

as a group?

>> The you can't get tires. You know, let

me tell you something. I'm interested.

>> I'm not interested.

>> If you find me a tire source,

>> the Remember what the engine was used in

the other Toyota?

>> Yeah. Bus.

>> Yeah. You don't know the name of the

bus? The coaster.

>> You know your Toyotas. That's your

problem. That is my problem. One of my

many problems.

>> You don't know your Toyota rental car

shuttles at the Tokyo airport

>> which I was on one by the way.

>> Driving around in a Mega Cruiser

basically

>> probably.

>> Anyway, the Mega Cruiser cruises mega.

>> I still think they're the coolest things

in the world.

>> Since we were talking about bringing the

trailer, um our Mega Cruiser results be

theirs day and day.

>> If you got a me folks, if you got a Mega

Cruiser and you need to sell it, you

come to Cars and Bids. We are your Mega

Cruiser source. We have auctioned seven.

And I don't say we've sold seven because

the one of them was twice and a couple

of them didn't sell. But if you want to

sell your mega, you will get more money

on our just like you will for GTC4 Luca.

>> Let's pull up that GTC.

>> That was quite

>> You see that result?

>> Yes, I did.

>> We had a We We've sold a lot of Ferraris

now. We're We're big Ferrari sellers.

We're We're basically as good as Ferrari

of Hawaii,

>> if not better.

>> And we have a GT4 Luca. Go back to the

thing. What did it sell for? It sold for

$246,000 United States. This was a V12

Lusso. So this is like the dream

V8 T or as they were called.

>> Is that what they were called? They were

called T.

>> Yeah. And the only way we we talked

about this, the only way to know that it

was different is that on the passenger

side on the on the glove box here where

it says GT4 Lusso, it said GT4 Luso T.

The only visual distinguishing thing

between the two cars, you can't tell

unless you hear it start. That's it.

>> Really?

>> Yep.

>> They I don't know why they did that. I

didn't even think, but I guess Ferrari,

they Ferrari didn't want to cheapen

their models.

>> Anyway, $246,000 United States dollars.

Big result.

>> By the way, bring a trailer that the day

after the trailer.

Bring the trailer. Find the trailer

after uh sold an an 8,000 mi 2018 GTC4

Lo. So, the one that should

theoretically

>> Yeah. should theoretically be more

desirable for 224. So, notably lower

than this result.

>> We get we get all the money. If you're

listen if you're selling your V12 GTC

for Luso or your Mega Cruiser, we're

making a pitch to you or a few

>> all those people out there or similar

car like

>> or like just any car.

>> Oh, like an M3. Okay, so Mega Cruiser,

>> there's 12 to 15 of you in the country.

V12 GTC for Lus. There's 100 of you or

if you have any other car.

>> Yeah, there's millions of you.

>> Well, gentlemen, well sold.

>> No, really. But if you got a Mega uh and

if you have a manual Cayenne, the last

car I wanted to talk about was manual.

So, a couple of months ago, we had this

green manual Cayenne sell on the website

for and it sold for $125,000 United

States, and people were like, "That's

the fakest thing I ever saw." It wasn't.

It was real. It happened.

>> Proving that, we sold one the other day

for $70,000. Now, a lot of people are

going to say, "Wait a minute, Doug.

>> If you sold one for 125,000 and then you

sold one for $70,000, that seems like

the 125 result is still inflated." But

you what you fail to understand is the

70 result is also still inflated.

In either scenario, this is a $25,000

car. But Porsche people are Porsche

people and they'll pay up. And that was

the point that I made when the first one

sold and was like, "THIS IS

MONEYAUNDERING. IT'S FAKE." WELL, here's

another massive result for one of these

cars, proving that if if there is a

certain contingent of people after a

certain contingent of car, they will pay

all the money for it.

>> Right. Yep. And if you follow this

contingent, we have another one. Another

jet green live right on the outside.

What what's the mileage on this one?

>> Uh 882

>> because if you have one of these and

you're seeing they're selling for

125,000 or 70,000, you're like, I think

I want to get

>> also because the the bring the place

where you might have to bring the

trailer um has not had the same level of

results for these.

>> I'm not surprised.

>> Really didn't bring the trailer. We're

the best place. If you have a manual

green Cayenne, a Mega Cruiser, or a V12

GTC4 Lusso, THERE IS NO OTHER PLACE to

sell it.

>> Fact,

>> um,

>> we specialize.

>> This is a pretty impressive car. Now,

I'm thinking about getting into this one

because I feel like this is going to for

a little less, right?

>> 125 to 70.

>> 70. Okay, you start thinking about it

like this is probably going to be two

data points make a trend.

>> You don't get fooled again.

>> You can't get fooled again.

>> Like in Tennessee.

>> Like I saying in Tennessee, I think they

have it in Texas, too. The second sale,

the green one, was pretty impressed at

70,000. And I it does prove that there's

a lot of uh market for this. I will say

I was very charmed by the owner who

posted only a couple of comments. He

didn't let the car stand on its own,

which was fine. But he posted the very

first comment on the auction was he went

into the Porsche dealer in New York City

or New York State in the Hamptons, I

think. Here. Yeah. I went in the New

York in Southampton and I was sitting in

the car, realized it was a manual and I

asked the salesman, "Is this real?" And

he said, "Yes." Didn't like that one. He

ordered one jet green with an umber and

cream leather interior. He ordered this

car new from the factory and all these

years later it paid off. He said when I

took ownership he told me it was the

last manual off the line. That wouldn't

surprise me if it was true. It's

probably never going to be able to be

proven, but it is a 14, which was the

final model year of this car. Um, pretty

cool.

>> Very cool.

>> Yeah. By the way, the owner the person

that that bought the the first Jag Green

one commented on that auction. All you

dorks thought I overpaid. Hello.

>> I think he's happy with his purchase. He

should be happy with his purchase. Um,

he got a slightly better spec car. This

car is also very cool. The one that's

come up, actually, each one has been

successfully a little bit worse. The

first one was the best one. This is

>> You're the seller of the current one.

Don't worry.

>> The third one, the current one has the

highest mileage and the lowest the

lowest option content. I still think

it's super cool. And these are very

special cars and I'm super. If you have

a yellow one,

>> and if you don't sell it on Cars and

Bids, you are nothing.

>> You are Filippo's Christmas sweater. I

will say the one that's currently live

has soft ruffled seat centers.

>> Go to see it. Let's see it.

>> I'm just looking at the option.

>> Oh, wow. It does.

>> They are ruffled.

>> What an option.

>> Wow. Ken, you ever ruffle your seat

centers? Why is this?

>> You worked at Porsche. You were

responsible for this.

>> People did this stuff, dude. I don't

know.

>> What year is it?

>> 14. I was not responsible for it. I left

by then. I had quit to go start a

website called Cars. The bids bids the

cars.

>> Bring the Okay,

>> we got to move on to questions.

>> You really do.

>> Sean hates me. Sean's like, "Can't you

just can't you just advertise for your

own business, please? It benefits you.

Why don't you just do it?"

>> That's what everybody's thinking. That's

what everybody listening is thinking,

too.

>> Can you please just say what I wrote,

please? All right. Uh, we got questions.

The questions today, this week, are the

>> You'll see in a second.

>> The questions this week are are perfect.

If you want to ask us a question, you go

to carsbids.com. You click on the

community tab. There will be a post

there that says ask us questions. Please

ask us questions. I am now scrolling

through every single question trying to

find the best ones. I spent 45 minutes

on this and found the best question.

Some of them were deep, dude. Deep. And

the first one is definitely the best

one. Go to go to the questions, please.

First question comes from Faizal

Alumide. He says, "Hello, Doug Cannon

and Filippo." Here it is. Pull up the

picture. I hope you're doing well.

Wanted to say hello and share some

exciting news. As a longtime viewer of

the channel, I thought it'd be nice to

let you know that I recently became the

new owner of the Renault concept car

which was sold this Sunday at the

Renault factory outside Paris. And he

says a little bit more. He's going to

take it to Dubai. So, he says. Now, I

will say there's no proof he bought it.

This is the this is the picture from the

auction court. Like it that doesn't mean

that this dude actually bought it. He

may have just posted that. Like anybody

could have gone in and taken this

picture. Uh it did. We talked about this

the concept car auction last week.

Renault sold a bunch of their concept

cars, none of which were attractive or

desirable. I absolutely

>> respectfully disagree. This one's had a

4 to6,000 euro estimate and sold for

€25,000.

>> Yep.

>> Wow.

>> Well, €21,000. $25,000.

>> I can't speak to the exact amount

because I'm looking it up right now.

>> Radically higher than it should have

been. However, I also would have paid

that much.

>> Ken, do you have any regrets that we

didn't end up with this car?

>> Tons. Loads.

>> It would be cool. It's cool.

>> Looks like a bison. It just is a bison.

>> It just is a bison.

>> Can I share some other results from that

auction? The Cleo six wheel pickup. Uh,

€19,000. Way too much.

>> Way too little.

>> Uh,

>> what about the one with all the doors? I

want to know.

>> That sold for nothing. I'll go.

>> Good.

>> The the Kangu breakup concept sold for

24,000.

>> That was the other expensive one.

Everything else kind of sold within the

estimate

>> which was basically nothing. Every car

was estimated at like the the cars were

like 4 to6,000 and the scale models were

like 1 to2,000. The car the difference

between a car and a scale model at this

auction was pretty minimal. The one with

all the doors, the Renault 21 that had

all the doors and another car mounted on

the trunk. Uh, sold for €1,45.

>> Like I said,

>> what a value. You get all those doors

and an extra car.

>> That is going to go into a junkyard in

France for parts. I promise you that is

not an enthusiast did not buy that car

and would not buy that car.

>> These are So why do we not live in

France currently? Like we actively live

there just to buy these.

>> Hundred reasons. I could name you a

hundred reasons. The Renault sports the

the the Spider prototype which is a

sports spider prototype sold for

€23,000.

>> A friend of a friend purchased the

Renault Alaska the pickup driver is

going to try to import it to the US

under show or display. So you don't have

to live in Paris in France to drive

these cars. You can have the best of all

worlds. You can drive the cars and not

live in France. It's kind of the two

Noah France. Noah France by the way.

>> No a France.

>> To our French viewers out there we love

you.

>> We love all seven of you in France. And

I'll tell you something. If you live in

France and if you have a mega cruiser,

sell it on Cars and B.

>> You know, some of these sold for real

money.

>> The the F1 cars, one of them sold for

about a million dollars.

>> Well, dude, it's an F1 car. It it it

took Reuben's Barello across the finish

line in the 96 Phoenix Grand Prix with a

Cro GT strapped to the back,

>> right?

>> The most expensive was the 1997 Renault

William FW19 Formula 1 car for 1.5

million.

>> Yeah, it's a serious car.

>> It's a serious car. 97 post courage, so

who cares? The most expensive like real

car is a Renault Maxi 5 turbo prototype

for 252,000.

>> Uh, next question from Unos Roadster.

Hey Doug and friends. I guess you guys

are the friends.

>> Nick's on the pod. It's just Doug and

peaked acquaintances.

>> Agreed.

>> Uh, the E60M5 is louded, lauded,

appreciated for its V10 in a sedan. Why

doesn't the C6 Audi RS6 get as much

attention and has a more powerful V10,

more reliable, same price? Totally

agree. Nobody ever talks about that. BMW

was like, "Oh, BMW put a V10 and M5."

Yeah, Audi did it in like 10 cars. They

took the Lamborghini engine, which

everybody's like, "It's not the But it

is." They took the Lamborghini engine

and they put it in an Audi S6, an S8, an

RS6.

>> You know why?

>> What?

>> E60 got it with a manual in North

America.

>> North America.

>> Yeah, but mostly you couldn't. Mostly

you couldn't.

>> But mostly, but people did.

>> Wait, wait, wait, wait. We can't say

that. Okay, sure. It's it's it's worth

twice as much as a a C5 R six in that

it's worth.

>> It's not like it's like appreciated by

the market.

>> No, but people talk about the M5 like,

oh my god, they put a V10 in the M5, but

nobody ever talks about the fact that

Audi did it in like a dozen cars and it

was also in a Lamborghini. Yeah, I think

that's no offense to the Audi, but I

think the M5 badge is a little bit more

historically notable and that is why

it's

>> I also think the fact that the M5 was

kind of spicier to own, to drive, to

experience help. Like the the when I

think of that RS6, I think of like an

Autobond Cruiser kind of the M5 was a

peaky unreliable temperamental crazy

thing

>> in a way the Audi just wasn't.

>> It just Yeah, it had more flare like

that. The Audi almost hurts itself

because it was relatively subtle to me.

I would rather have owned the Audi, but

the Audi almost hurts itself because it

was like better.

>> It just kind of I just dynamically I

think at the time also it just wasn't

like E60 chassis is amazing.

>> That's true. Also, that is certainly

true. Also, the E60 was dynamically a

better car. Sequential manual and manual

were better than any torque converter.

>> Um, that's those are also Can I ask a

real question?

>> Also, it was never sold in the US. It's

important to also keep in mind a lot of

the enthusiasm for the E6M5 comes out of

the states because there was a stick and

because there's a lot of following for

that car and we never did get that R six

in the states. We did get V10 Audi's in

the states, but they never had as much

power as the M5.

>> That's right.

>> Right. Do you think that it would also

help BMW that it had a different gear

selector? The automatic M5 did not have

the traditional like

>> prenal gear selector the other E60s had.

>> Yeah, it was it was the RS6

had had a ton of power like the normal

>> gear shifter. No, I don't know if

physical gear shifter any difference at

all.

>> Don't you think it kind of does? I do

not think that sportier. It was like a

sportier.

>> I like this. This is what Fippo's

focused on is gear. Now, to be clear,

you could also get the standard E60 with

SMG. You get the 535.

>> One of them. Did anybody in the States?

I've driven one.

>> It happened in the States. It was

terrible.

>> I remember they offered the E46 with

that, but I didn't know they offered the

E6.

>> They offered the E6. They have a a

tradition of doing weird transmissions

like that in normal cars cuz you get a

dual clutch from the E90M3 in the 335is.

>> Yes.

>> No idea why you could but the cool thing

about that car

>> the Yeah.

>> And that it had 335 badges on the

fender.

>> That's right. And those unusual wheels,

but like the but the Yes, you could get

SMG. Maybe it was even in the 550 you

could get SMG, but very uncommon for

obvious reasons.

>> I think it helped.

>> But anyway,

>> uh, next question from Stubbled CRT1.

Hey Doug, you've stated before that you

saved the really good videos for Doug

December for higher ad revenue. That's

now folks

>> right now.

>> Watch the videos.

>> Like watch them like in December,

please.

>> Yeah, watch them in December. If you if

you're watching in January, I don't need

those views.

>> I don't need that.

>> We're joking.

>> Uh I'm just curious how long you have

sat on a Doug video. Um you like I film

them way before and then kind of try to

build out a good month. It's really mid

mid November to the end of December

because the ad rates start to get high

late November, Black Friday, etc. when

people are starting to spend money. Uh

I've sat on them for a long time, but

never insane. Usually the car owner is

like, "Yo, man, you posting this?" Like,

"What's going on here?" And so I

eventually kind of am like, "Oh, sorry.

I'll put it up." And then I do. Um but I

think probably I've sat on him for six

months. I got no problem with that. Can

we talk about two big errors?

>> Yeah. Which again?

>> All right. Look up Doug's Ford F-650

video, which went up January 3rd years

ago.

>> Oh, yeah.

>> Went up December 26th.

>> Did it? I thought I thought it was later

than that.

>> No, that video was the greatest

decision. Oh, Doug Delug.

>> Sometimes it's hard to type for.

>> What a good That video, by the way,

still delivers

>> 17 million views.

>> Yeah, dude.

>> Uh, the second big mistake I seem to

recall years ago at this point, you

filmed a Saturn Series and an SL1.

>> You're bringing this up. I'm bringing it

up. We need to talk about it finally.

>> Hey,

>> Ken's like, "Where is he? Where is he?

Watch me. Give it a second." I come out

from behind it.

>> When's the When's that video coming out,

Doug?

>> I filmed a All right, let me tell you

what happened. I'm going to explain it.

Everybody asked me about this. I'm just

going to explain it.

>> There is no video that I'm going to

explain it. Here's what happened. All

right. I many years ago, type in Doug

Demiro 430 Scooteria. Many years ago, I

filmed a video a fellow I went up I

think he was in Orange County of a 430

Scoot and it was this one and it was we

sold it on the site and it was an

awesome car and the dude was super nice

and he said, "Hey man, by the way, if

you want to come up and film my 430

scoot, that's great, but I also have an

original Saturn SL you can film." And I

was like, "Okay." So, I filmed the 430

Scooed. It went up a few weeks later,

sold it on the site like normal. And I

was also like, "Why not film the Saturn

SL too?" So, I filmed the Saturn SL

also. It was that one. I filmed the

Saturn SL also and uh it's just never

gone up. When was this? This was end of

22. So I've been sitting on that video

for three years.

>> Three years.

>> Some of us love the Saturn.

>> I'll tell you this. I you know when I go

away for the summer I like put build up

a lot of videos beforehand so I don't

film over the summer. This summer that

video made it on the schedule and I even

recorded a voiceover for it for the end.

It made it on the schedule but then it

got put.

>> I love the first gen Saturn SL.

>> It's a good video. It's a good video.

It's a shame the video hasn't come out.

Uh anyway,

>> it's a good car.

>> Love the Saturn SL.

>> Do you feel like because you haven't

released it now, you're just like

obligated to hold on to it?

>> It's become kind of a meme.

>> Yeah, exactly.

>> Like the F50.

>> That entire question was just for Die

Hard Doug fans

>> cuz I've teased it here and there. It's

shown up in like teaser shots.

>> There was an Instagram post in 2022.

>> That's right.

>> Still think about that post.

>> Next question from Ian J. Doug, I

watched the the smoking tire pod you

were on and I heard you and Matt mention

forever cars. Are any of your super

carcass forever cars? You willing to

replace those cars in the future or sell

them, replace them? I want to be really

clear on this. I answer this question

every single time it comes up in the

same way. And I want to be really clear.

None of my cars are forever cars. They

will all someday be sold. And I know

that when when I sell the Courage GT, I

know someday people are going to BE

LIKE, "YOU SAID YOU'D NEVER SELL IT."

And I have never said that. And I do not

believe that. I will I am not a

collector. I do not want to accumulate

these things forever. They will all

someday be sold. It may be a long time.

It may be 10 years. Maybe 20 years.

There is no such thing in my life as a

forever car. At some point, I will no

longer get the pleasure out of driving

it. I'll be old like Fippo is mentally.

And I will no longer want to use these

cars. There is no forever car in my

world. They will all go eventually. Yes,

even the Carrera GT, which I love so

much and I have such a history. Someday

it will sell. So, when I sell it and you

see all the comments, you said you'd

never sell, just remember I'm saying

here that I will. And I've always

maintained this position. Have I ever

said anything different?

>> Are you worried that like Hooie you'll

remember that you owe a tax bill like

April 14th and then sell them in a

hurry?

>> No.

>> I'm a W2 employee just as you are.

>> If you had to put money on which one you

keep the longest.

>> Um

>> totality.

>> I honestly don't know.

>> I think it's the one that's behind you.

>> I vacasillate.

>> You do? Yes, you do.

>> The Carrera GT I really would like to

own forever. Uh, but I have a suspicion

that one day it will be simply too

valuable for me to keep. I will I am not

as wealthy as a lot of my career GT

compatriots. And like a lot of McLaren

F1 owners are doing right now, the car

they bought for 4 million is suddenly

worth 30 million. Their net worth is 50

million. And they're sitting here

thinking this car is

>> Yeah, I get it.

>> Like what? This is insane. Like I need

to unload this thing. And I wouldn't be

entirely surprised if that car, the Cur

GT, if that car be I don't think this is

ever gonna really appreciate crazily. If

the Cur GT ends up at three, four, five

million like the F50, etc. At some

point, I will no longer enjoy using it

and it will make I would just rather

have the money. I I have a suspicion and

in the memories I've already put 5,000

miles on the Car GT. I will probably put

another 10,000 on I 15, I don't know.

And I will always be able to say, "Hey,

I had this car. It was really cool." But

at the at some dollar level, I just can

no longer justify it. I it simply loses

the main thing that attracted me to it,

which is the the enjoyment factor.

>> Yep.

>> I have a suspicion that one goes first.

>> You have had the 4GT for seven years at

this one.

>> Seven and a half years in the 4GT.

>> It's got an early start. Too bad it's

going to be gone soon.

>> You think it's going?

>> Well, I've seen you talk about the 993.

>> I know. I'm worried. Yeah. I haven't

even considered selling the 4GT, though.

It's not even like been thought of

>> yet. 4GT is I my cost basis is zero.

It's incredibly reliable and it's on an

upswing. Like there's no reason to sell

it. It doesn't. And we have endless

space. Like there's literally no reason

to get rid of it.

>> And like you you talked about, one of

the big reasons you have the 993 is so

your kids can ride around on it, but

those rear seats are small and they will

outgrow those seats.

>> And someday they'll be able to ride in

the big car. Yeah.

>> And I think then

>> Yes. Hold for GT for a while.

>> No, Ford GT definitely is is a is a

hold. I'm going to take it to Cars and

Coffee.

>> Oh, it's your most powerful car.

>> Uh yeah, it is. It's definitely the

scariest. Uh, next question from Nick

Nick, not the regular Nick, the

underscore Nick. Hello, Doug. You've

expressed interest in the new Gwagon

Cabriolet for some time now. You also

said on last week's pod you were

seriously considering buying it. My

question is, do you really want to drive

across country in that thing? No, I've

decided I'm not going to do it. It's

just I just I've been thinking about

who's going to end up in that car and

it's just not me. It's just not me. I'm

going to keep the old one. Hopefully,

people will see it as kind of cool and

vintage. I have a suspicion that when

I'm driving around on the old one and

the new one comes out, people are going

to be like, "Oh, there's the G." You

know, like like I

Yeah, but I just I I You're right Nick.

I cannot It's just not me. That car is

not me. It just isn't. I just know the

level of real housewife that's going to

own the convertible G Wagon and I just

cannot participate. I'm out. I'm You've

heard it here first.

>> Next question from Two Shirts. Love you

guys. Thank you, Kenn.

>> Thank you.

>> Oh, how sweet. I only have one shirt

today.

>> Have you ever considered You only find

cars so exhilarating because you aren't

into motorcycles. Would you be o willing

open to learn to ride? No.

>> I know how to ride.

>> You ride bikes? What?

>> Sometimes motorcycle. You got a

motorcycle?

>> I don't I don't have my license. That

has not historically stopped me on

private roads.

>> Private roads? Yeah.

>> Yeah. Is that right?

>> Uh I like bikes. I like I I don't know

much about them. My grandfather has uh a

1931 uh Indian 101B Scout, which is a

great pre-war bike. Uh he's had it since

he was like 16. He's 96. Still have the

family. My cousin finished a restoration

on it. I've coasted it down the driveway

once. I've never ridden it. I would like

to, but uh you know, I like those kind

of bikes, but in California, I'm just

too afraid to use a motorcycle. It's

just too dangerous. Lane splitting is

crazy.

>> In Nebraska, he's like, I'm all over it.

>> Yeah, I got wide open roads here. I I

don't know. I just motorcycles just

aren't I understand the appeal of a

motorcycle. I'm too afraid to get

involved with that.

>> Also know that except for Ken's SL65,

we're not like going after speed. That's

not our like style of drive. If we were,

we would all own Huracan that are twin

turbocharged or EVs or whatever, right?

Like that is not what we're now EVs 5

years ago. Huracans,

>> would argue though that it's still super

fun

experience of being exposed to

>> my my argument is a safety one. I ever

since I had kids, I stopped doing a lot

of stuff and uh I have zero interest in

riding a motor. Literally zero interest

riding a motorcycle for that reason

alone. Even if I thought it was really

cool.

>> What stuff have you stopped doing?

You're not doing you're not tightroppe

walking.

>> I sold that yellow truck. You should see

the stuff. I I like don't take any risks

anymore. I just I my children should

should should have a father.

>> And motorcycles are scary. They're

they're legitimately dangerous. And all

the motorcycle people in the world would

be like, "They're not that dangerous."

And then some of them die.

>> Yeah. Well Yeah. Exactly. They're not

all around to argue anymore. I just

don't I just don't think that there's a

reason to take the risk. I I I there's

there's too much to lose. I'm I'm not

willing to do it. No matter how fun they

are, and I'm sure they are fun, but I'm

at a stage in my life where fun and risk

have have kind of swapped and and it's

not really worth like I I don't find the

it could be the funnest thing in the

world and to me it isn't worth the risk

anymore. There probably was a time where

I where I maybe should have pursued that

uh but I didn't. And um

>> well, so your frame like be odd to see

you on a motorcycle. Filipo and I are

Moto Gucci enthusiasts.

>> We are. My father had one. We're not.

>> Of course.

>> All right. Two more. We're doing two

more. We're doing two more. We're doing

two more. We're doing two more. Two

more. Two more. Two more. Number from

Mazi Meister. Doug and friends. I have a

question about the Sequoia. If told

Toyota had sold the GR Sport 300 series

Land Cruiser in the US, even with the

tariffs, you had bought it. Yes, without

even the slightest question, I

undoubtedly period would have bought

that car. I wouldn't have bought the GR

Sport cuz I think it's heinous. But I

would have bought whatever the most

off-road version of the Land Cruiser is,

period.

>> LX700H overtrail. Do you own one?

>> There wasn't that option when I bought

the Seoia. But there is now a 300 series

and I'm kind of off it. I I've driven

the Sequoia more and more and I'm like

into the Seoia again.

>> The Sequoia is the Land Cruiser of the

modern era.

>> The LX600 existed when you bought the

Land Cruiser.

>> Yeah, but it was a stupid hybrid and

there was no off-road version.

>> Now it's real. Now, there's like a good

hybrid and there is an off-road version

and it has it has crawl control and and

knobbyby tires.

Final question and this one is more for

Kenon from Liam Cell. I was glad to hear

you talk about the Aston Martin Vanquish

Zagato shooting brake on the smoking

tire podcast. You want to pull it up?

>> Let's see. Let's see this. You know this

car?

>> Of course you do not.

>> I absolutely never seen anything.

>> I know everything hatchback related.

Everything.

>> Everything.

>> What do you know about the A12

Competency owner?

>> I watched your review of it years ago

and it's been on my list of dream cars

ever since mine, too. Uh, I always

thought it was completely unobtainable,

but as you pointed out, they're already

selling for half less than half of their

original MSRP. What do you think their

price floor is and how much do you think

they're worth it? I'll tell you this. I

They were 900 new, they're selling for

400. I don't ever have any interest in

buying an automatic as a fun car. Like,

zero interest in it. Because if I want

to have fun, I want to go out and have a

whole experience. Yep.

>> There's about three exceptions to that

and this is one of them.

>> If this car got into a price point, I

think it's just so cool. Zagato did a

station wagon of a V12 Aston Martin. It

makes no sense. It's an M Coupe but done

by Zagato and Aston Martin with a V12.

It's absurd.

>> How about the GTC4 Lusso,

>> right? But twice the price.

>> But this is there's only 100 of these in

the world and it's it's a Zagato special

edition. There's probably only 20. I

>> agree. It's a very special car. It's

cool as hell. Uh 400 is not my number

though. But if if I could if I could be

interested in one of these, I I would

talk about one of these at about the 93

turbos number 225 250. I would talk

about it for sure.

>> I wouldn't be surprised if it gets

there.

>> Yeah.

>> You know,

>> if I could get a 177 square steering

wheel in it,

>> you get that on. Yes. It came in the

Vanquish anyway

>> as an option.

>> No, I think it was standard.

>> I wouldn't want to deviate from the

build.

>> I'm

>> This is This is a historical car,

Filippo. historical.

>> I'm pretty confident that's

>> historical and it's LOOK AT THAT

STEERING WHEEL. IT'S SQUARE. IT'S

SQUARE.

>> Pretty sure that was that's the standard

steering.

>> I know what you're sitting there

thinking. It isn't square. But I'm

telling you, man, when you use it, it is

>> square. You don't have

>> It looks like a circle, but it's

deceptive. That's how they get you.

>> It's a square with round edges.

>> Like a pouro 208.

>> Sure.

>> Excuse me.

>> That's a pouro. Is that what he said

that?

>> The old pou. I said that odd. Filipo, do

you have any final thoughts for us?

>> Um, uh, come sell your car on Cars and

>> Cars AND BIDS. IT'S THE GREATEST

WEBSITE. If you have a Mega Cruiser or a

Vanquish Zagato shooting break, well, I

promise you if you have a Vanquish Zato

Street shooting break, we'll we'll get

you every bit of what it's worth.

$316,000.

>> Cars the bid. Sell it there.

>> Uh, and uh, that's that. Goodbye. Is one

of our finest P. Not our finest.

>> Close.

>> There was that great Whistland Diesel

Montana. That was great. Go watch that

one.

>> Very good.

>> Uh, and have a good Doug December,

everybody. Goodbye.

>> Goodbye.

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