Porsche 1-2 at Sebring, Factory Team Beef, and the 911 Joyride That Ended in Handcuffs
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Porsche 1-2 at Sebring, Factory Team Beef, and the 911 Joyride That Ended in Handcuffs
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Arnaj Motorsports
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GoFundMe
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new tires
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livery
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liveries
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Daytona
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Sebring
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Nürburgring 24-hour
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Ford Mustang
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Golf Gtd
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nighttime cool air turbos
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white flag
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safety car
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black flag
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18 wheelers
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trailers
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I'm Mike. I'm Aaron. And this is Peacart Talk.
Welcome to another episode of Peacart Talk. I'm Mike. And I'm Aaron.
Alright, let's get started with the show.
Don't want to kick it off with sad news, but there is some sad news.
Our really, really good friends, Cory and George, that own Arnaj Motorsports,
unfortunately had a shop fire a few weeks ago. Thank God no one was injured.
They're shop dog Enzo. He's good to go to.
But they did end up losing their entire shop. All our tools, everything.
It was way worse than I thought it was when I saw pictures.
Not even just pictures we saw initially.
Scary stuff. And these guys, I just want to give you a little bit of background on them.
Like, they're not just some run-of-the-mill shop and everybody's like,
oh, well, it's just a Porsche shop. It's not that big of a deal.
Like, they support historic car racing, so they have the arm of that that they handle.
They handle a lot of cars from basically the entire Southern region,
from Georgia all the way down. They have some clients, even in South Carolina.
And France and other places.
Yeah, so their shop, if you're not familiar, is very hard to find a very trustworthy,
honest group of guys that do Porsche-specific work.
Now, they work on other brands too, but they're mainly Porsche-centric.
And they lost their entire shop. They lost all of their tools.
They lost everything there.
So our hearts and prayers go out to those guys.
We want to stand them up and get them some support and get them going as quickly as possible
because not only did they lose, all of their clients ended up losing them
until they can get back and going.
So there's a lot of people. There's a big ripple effect.
Obviously immediately them and then their immediate clients that lost vehicles in that fire.
And then their livelihood and all that stuff, it goes along with it.
If they're not doing work, they're not getting paid.
So they're a small business. This is something they stood up on their own.
This was their dream.
So Aaron has posted in the link below in our description.
I think I put it in the highlights or not, but I'll do that and make sure the link's in there too.
Yeah, put it in there. There's a GoFundMe in there.
We've already donated, but anything helps.
So if you're listening to this, I know you probably don't know them
because we have people listen all over the world.
Even if you kick in just a little bit of money, it goes a long way.
And also it's good karma. They're good people.
So help them out. They really do need your help.
So let's rally behind these guys and show them that we do support them.
So sad news, but hopefully they'll get back on their feet
and they'll get back to racing and doing what they love and building cars and helping people.
They need our help, so they've always been helping all of us.
So it's time to help them, right?
Mine's going to get tired somewhere. It's not going to get tired somewhere.
It's tire season, barely.
Low priority. I hope these guys do okay.
I hope they come out of this.
What is that?
It's cliche, but Phoenix from the ashes type of situation.
Maybe their shop will be twice as big, twice as strong, twice as better.
Hopefully I want all those good things for those guys.
All right, so let's change gears a little bit.
So Porsche at Sebring takes one and two in GTP and then Manti wins as well.
So pretty good weekend for Porsche overall, right?
But the drama doesn't end there.
So if you watch the race, you kind of already know this, but if you didn't watch the race,
so the number six car took first, the number seven car took second.
Well, as they pitted towards the end with about an hour and 30 left,
the way the pit setup at Sebring is so tight, the seven car came in before the six because they were leading.
But the seven cars pit is behind the six.
So in order for the six to get into their pit because they're at the very end,
they had to like come in sideways and then they had to pick the car up.
They have these dollies to bring it in.
But since they already did that earlier in the race and it cost them time,
and we were getting towards the end of the race.
So for the sake of time, while as they were coming into the pit because they were pitting together,
even though the seven car was leading, they let the six go around them to go into the pit
so they could go in homogenously like as they should.
The six goes into their pit stall and then seven right behind them.
Well, when they came out, obviously they left in that same sequence order.
You know, crew chief came in and said, hey, let seven car back in front because they let you go in the pit.
So like that's team rules.
If you're not familiar with racing, but that's how it should be because they let them go around.
So that didn't happen right away.
So Philippe was kind of just running away even though he came on the radio.
He needed multiple calls to say, hey, you need to let Kevin Estra basically take his spot back.
So he gave it up and from what we understand from race control, I guess,
like from the commentators, they could hear some of that banter.
So, you know, they gave us some of that and said basically Philippe was really upset that he had to give that spot back
because the car was running really fast and basically had to slow down to let him have it.
So seven car was supposed to be in the lead when they came out, whatever.
Six car kind of ran away for a little bit.
So about right at the hour they did the flop where seven got to go in front of six.
And then as they ran some more, no orders came out from the team.
And generally speaking, when that happens, you know, you kind of stay put because if your teammates usually don't try to run around.
You didn't swap, you already know that that's kind of what they wanted.
Yeah, so if you, yeah, so I guess there was a miscommunication or lack of communication for better words that the six car didn't ask
like their team to say, hey, is it is it cool if we pass?
He just passed the seven again when he had a chance.
And I thought, I thought the one of the cars and they may have been the, they may have been the seven.
One of them didn't have new tires at that time because there was several cautions.
Yeah.
Like in this one.
There was.
One of them didn't have new tires.
You could tell it and you could tell NASA was quicker.
Yeah.
And just there's nothing that.
But he was just pushing Kevin around.
There's nothing that Kevin was going to do and you could see Kevin was like sliding around and.
Yeah.
So yeah.
So from what I understand is there wasn't a communication where NASA asked if you could pass Kevin.
He just did it.
Now there's two rules of thumb here.
Like some people will say, well, that's racing.
He just went around him.
It's fine.
It doesn't matter if they're teammates at the end of the race, though, on an endurance race at a minimum, there should at least been a call to the crew.
That's why you have comms to make a phone call essentially to say, Hey, am I good to pass Kevin here?
I know you wanted me to give him the spot like what's going on.
But he didn't.
He just passed him and then just blitz like kept going and then held it.
I think the other thing with you is I don't know which I don't know if Kevin had orders.
I felt like I was also hearing that Sabon battery and stuff like that are like something.
Conserve, right?
And so maybe that was another reason Kevin was kind of being a little chill.
I mean, I don't know.
But each team has their own strategy, right?
However, it's the crew chief's jobs to speak to one another.
So like at a minimum, I guess in a CYA situation, since your teammates, you should have a little bit more courtesy.
Necessarily not just drive around, you know, even in Formula One, if there's bad blood, somebody's going to say, Hey, I can pass him.
Can I pass him?
You know, you know, usually like we've heard that if you follow F1 or any, there's a lot of comms going on.
Usually they're like, No, hold position.
We're going to let him stay out front.
Like basically, we know your car stronger, but just let him stay out front for now.
But no comms happen.
So I think that's why that's what we're just worried about getting passed because that guy was so close.
Yeah.
Once once they switched.
I get that.
But at the same time, I think because of that.
And this just goes to show you it doesn't matter if it's rate motor sport racing, just life in general.
That just a little bit of communication goes a long way because like after the race, like there's definitely tension now because Kevin and that team and Van Thorn, those guys feel like that.
That was kind of a dick move.
And there's beef there, but these guys are really professional.
So they're not throwing anybody under the bus.
But there was a, but if you saw what Kevin's comments were post race, he did make a comment about it.
He was like, I don't know what happened there, but, you know, we didn't get orders where he should have passed me.
So that was a surprise.
Yeah.
And so around all the time.
So he's so in a way he's saying we didn't talk about that.
And he just did what he wanted to do, essentially.
I could read between the lines.
I'm sure you could too.
So is there bad blood?
I think that might be a stretch, but attention, I think is a better word.
There's definitely tension now.
There was tension to begin with because if you watch that race, because it started with NASA having to give that back up.
He was not, he was not okay with that.
I don't know.
So yes, you want that out of your driver.
Yes, you want them to be a killer.
You always want that, but you don't want them to kill your teammate too because this goes back to the old school thing where like, well, it's not even just that.
I mean, it's bad blood.
You're endangering both cars.
Like you're endangering championship points.
Like all of this stuff matters, right?
So that's why it goes back to the most simple thing that could have happened, right?
Could have gone on comms and say, hey, I see Kevin's tires are greasy.
Like I'm ready.
Like I'm actually holding back.
He's holding me back.
Can I go, can I go around him?
Can you guys talk to them?
Talk to the other crew chief.
Can I go around them?
But that didn't happen.
He was just like, he saw an opportunity and he went.
And I get it in the heat of battle.
Like we're, they've been racing for 11 hours at this point.
They're, they're finishing their, their blood thirsty, you know, like they're closing it out.
You know, they're ready to kill.
But to be fair, like for the, it's a long season.
It's, I mean, this was like race two.
And I feel like that it yellow flagged right after that Nasser pass.
Yeah.
So it didn't really matter anyways, except it just pissed people off.
Put people in compromising positions because now they're slow again.
Yeah.
And, and it pissed the three guys off in the seven car.
Yeah.
You know, and you don't want to have an inner team rival.
I mean, you do to a certain degree, like a healthy rivalry is good.
But this is kind of like now this could be setting the stage for a situation where these
guys are at each other's throats moving forward because it is a long season, right?
Like if something, if they end up in the situation,
putting each other out.
Yeah.
Instead of helping each other, they're going to hurt each other, right?
Moving forward.
Like, so am I making a mountain out of a molehill?
I don't think so.
Like I think that these guys are so professional that they're keeping it under wraps.
But I think behind closed doors, these guys want to kill each other right now.
Can't be two number ones.
Yeah.
Right.
And definitely I'm sure, I mean, as we know, we know Kevin's a super aggressive driver.
We know Philippe is a super aggressive driver.
So I mean, obviously we know that these guys are both alphas that are ready to lock horns
and they're on the same team, you know, in separate cars.
But I mean, at the end of the day, they're the same team.
Like Roger and Porsche own these cars.
So like these guys are the drivers, the gunslingers that are in these cars.
And you just wonder what that's that dynamics going to look like moving forward.
Meaning like in most races, it might not be that big of a deal if they're not really both in contention.
But if in another similar situation, if they run the map the rest of the year and they're they're battling one and two
and they're on each other's shit all the time and somebody kind of rub somebody the wrong way,
they could put both cars out of one race if they're not careful.
Right.
From Roger, I just put them on the same team, solve that problem.
Well, you can't have two anchors running on the same team, right?
I mean, you shouldn't, but I mean.
Well, then because in the heat of the moment, like then they're the other anchor who didn't get picked to run that.
They're like, hey, it's the last two and a half hours.
It's crunch time.
It's like, then you pick the other guy over the other one.
Now the other one's pissed.
Right.
So that's why you separate them and have them kill in each both of their cars.
What do you think about that livery they did?
I thought it was pretty cool.
Right.
Yeah, I like, I like that mix up.
I think Porsche does a good job.
Right.
They run, if you noticed, even when the RSR was running, they run the factory livery for
a while on the car before they mess around with it, right?
At least a couple of years.
My worry is, and this is, I'm glad you brought this up because I started probably overthinking
this, but the minutes Porsche racing starts doing special liveries at places.
I think that's like the beat.
I think it just got, I think it just picked up.
Yeah, that's the beacon for we're putting this horse down in a little bit.
We're going to have a farewell livery, boys.
Well, that's what I'm saying.
If you think about it, that's what they did to the RSR.
Like they ran it on, you know, Abrumas livery, they ran it mobile livery, they ran it cooked
livery, and then they put the thing down.
Like, so this might be its last season.
And maybe that's why these guys are so pissed at each other.
Maybe they know, but we don't know because that announcement hasn't come yet where they're
just like, we're not running after the season.
They're just like, turn it up, boys.
These things explode.
It's fine.
Yeah.
So like maybe that's why they're at each other's throats because like, you know, number seven
car is probably like, this is our chance to win a championship this year.
Like the six car one, one last year.
Like if we don't fight, this is our last year, but they can't come out and say that because
Porsche hasn't said it.
So the drivers can't say that.
I don't know.
I'm just obviously I'm trying to tie all of these emotions into each other and pull all
the data that's been shown to us to formulate a hypothesis here.
Now it could call be BS.
They could just be running liveries or run liveries.
I mean, it was the 20 year anniversary.
So as more, maybe it's just that it probably is.
If I had to anticipate, I would think that nine, six, three car has one more season in
it, meaning they'll run this year and then they'll run next year.
And I think next year will be the final year.
Now, if they won, if they win them all this year, this might be it.
I think Roger might be like, all right, I'm done.
It's enough money.
Well, check box, right?
Like he's, he's got his hands in so much other racing.
It's like, you know, him being at the track for all of these and traveling means an old
guy.
It's a lot, man.
I know it's his passion.
It's his love.
It's his business.
But still, I don't care who you are.
Like even if you're flying private, all like which he is, but it's just that gets old being
on the road that much.
It doesn't matter.
But yeah, I think that's an interesting dynamic of what happened there and that's a behind
the scenes.
If you're not paying attention to what happened, you know, like the headline reads Porsche wins
one and two.
And then there's a very small, like if you read further, you see that, but if you don't
really understand what's happening there, you don't really think much of it.
You're just like, oh, that's just racing, but there's more to it than just that.
Like, I think the next race is going to be very volatile, I think, personally.
Now again, the only way it won't be is if one of the cars is underperforming considerably
compared to the other one.
Now if they're at each other's throats again, because the car looks strong, clearly, and
the number seven car probably would have finished second or first Daytona if they didn't get
clipped.
Like that's that's why that's the only that car looked fast all the way up until they
got clipped as well.
So the two major races that have happened already this year, both of those cars look
very, very fast.
So we'll see.
Because it would have been six, seven.
And then when I think the sixth car got six, that's what it would have been.
That was seven.
I think they did that on purpose.
Because that's like a kid thing.
I don't know.
So what do you think?
How do you think you're seeing the Manti car out and about like seeing Grello and us
thinking that, well, I don't know.
Portrait really got the speed.
Clearly, it seems like Manti can figure out at least the new car.
Yeah, they know how to extract them.
Seems like it's yeah.
The tweaks probably help that car a lot.
Yeah.
But I mean, to be fair, there's other teams running that car and they don't look as strong.
So that just goes to show you that.
It's not just a gimmick.
Like Manti has been successful in racing for a long time in the EU series and now
showing them flexing their dominant and flexing their muscles now in the American series.
Right.
So like, I think they got a feel for Daytona.
They never raced at Daytona before.
And they took the data that they had on the car and clearly they applied it in a good
way because they won Sebring.
Yeah.
And it wasn't some fluke when like that car looks strong the entire 12 hours.
And it sounded really good too.
So I feel like it sounds a little different than they have in the past.
Yeah.
Like looking at the bodywork, everything looks like more probably all it out their
muffler and then nobody knows.
Maybe it sounds like man, things sounds aggressive.
I was like, wait a minute, they're running an RSR.
No, it's just 2018.
But yeah, they look strong.
And honestly, like, you know, and I know because we follow a lot of European racing,
maybe not a lot of American fans knew.
But, you know, obviously you've heard of the name, but like meaning what their what
their product is as far as on the racetrack, what they can produce on the racetrack.
And I mean, what they have the most Nürburgring 24-hour
Nürburgrings out of out of any team.
Right.
Like, I mean, because that's not a manufacturer race.
Like that's usually.
Whoever's independent race.
So I think they have the most.
Don't quote me on that, but I'm pretty sure.
I mean, let's put it this way.
I've been watching it for about 15 years and they've won like seven of 15.
So that's that's a lot.
Yeah.
But yeah, I think I think even.
Rexie's sister car, Roxy, she almost got a gold tooth.
Yeah, she looks really good out there too.
Right. That car was with that finished second, didn't it?
I think I think she got second.
Yeah.
So that car looks strong and it sounded good too.
So maybe there's something to that newer Evo car where they where they changed,
you know, due to the rules or whatever, they were able to change some stuff.
And maybe that car is breathing better because I feel like initially those cars
seemed slower in the first evolution of that GT3R.
Maybe this year's evolution or maybe because it is an evolution of that car.
Maybe they're not being BOPed as much.
So maybe there could be that.
Yeah.
You know, it's hard to keep up with all of the like the FIA rules change constantly.
So like maybe this year, it favors them a little bit more, to be honest with you.
I know for a fact, and I only know this because the commentators talked about it,
that there was a rule change, unfortunately, for the the GTD or the GTR Mustang
that hurt it because in the offseason,
they built that they had to re change.
They had to change the arrow on the Mustang car to provide and to get it more arrow.
Yeah.
So it actually went through a revamp in offseason and apparently that car
was putting down really, really good numbers with that arrow.
But then the rules changed like there was an amendment to the arrow rules
before the season started.
So they literally had to change the car again right before the season.
It was awesome.
And it made and the change made their car slower.
So like that's why they're currently struggling because they basically don't have it.
Like they didn't get the test data.
So it's like they had to scramble to fix their car, which sucks.
Like because you just want everybody to be competitive.
So it's like a rule change.
So that the reason why I bring that up is a rule change
can favor a team or it can hurt a team.
And in this case, it hurt the Mustang.
And we don't know if it favored the Porsche, but it sure looks like it might have.
I mean, I don't know, or their cars are just running that much better.
I always worry about nighttime cool air turbos.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, the Ferrari, of course, looks I mean,
you saw that move at the end on the Aston and that the GTD class, the AM class.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I knew that was coming.
I feel I mean, I don't really feel bad because race car driving is an awesome job.
Yeah.
I don't like, so I don't want to say I feel bad for the guy,
but you could just feel that Ferrari as you're watching that race
and because they're showing the aerial and it's like just chasing him down.
And you could probably just hear him on the, you know, on the radio 0.8, 0.6, 0.4.
He's just railing them in, railing them in.
He's like, all right, 0.1.
He's on you now.
And it's just like the dude, one mistake like came out of that.
And you could tell the pressure was on him because he came, he came out of that turn
and the back end got, yeah, that back end got a little loose because he tried to come on power early
and he had tire, tire deck happening and that Ferrari just right by him.
And it's like, dude, that sucks.
And then I mean, that was, I think that happened during the white flag, right?
So then he had to run three quarters.
He only had to run three quarters of lap ahead of him.
He had no shot catching up because then they ran into traffic
and he just ran right by him and it was like, that's it, bro.
That's something else I noticed this year.
And I don't know if it's been passed.
I felt like there was a ton of traffic this year.
Searing always has that though.
Like it's they showed.
I only remember this because they showed it at the end of the race.
Final on the white on the white flag last year.
Do you remember that huge GTP pile up like six cars got in an accident?
Like the Cadillac got taken out on the last lap last year.
All of them in that kink all crash because they were all fighting at the very end
because there was so much traffic that happened last year.
It showed like the 963 like going on top of a car and it's like,
what the hell just happened?
Like literally racing for 11 hours and 59 minutes and six GTP cars crash.
All together because of the traffic at the end and like six DNFs.
When something when somebody crashes, Chris and I both go, which BMW wasn't?
Yeah, right?
Because it's always BMW.
Yeah.
Yeah, which BMW caused that accident?
Like who were they behind?
That's the real question.
Who were they behind?
And there was like there were a lot of like crazy like accidents.
Did you see there was a lot of like just I think it's always LMP2 cars.
LMP2.
I don't know.
It's always the because they're amateurs.
They're rich dudes.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
They're obviously good.
Young guns and then some of them are.
Don't get me wrong.
They're obviously good drivers or they wouldn't be in there, but they're also
they don't have a lot of seat time.
So they're like out there doing crazy crap with the cars that they probably
shouldn't be like lifting in the corner or not enough gas and the car just
slides out from underneath them or they never turned at nighttime.
Yeah, or their purr feels like you saw the one on that, you know, not that
I'm a Corvette fan, but I'm just a racing fan.
Like they were coming down the straight and that LMP2 car.
Did you see that during the daytime?
He just literally mashed him on the fender and pushed him into the wall
and like that guy's day was over.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
You get penalized for that.
But we've talked about this in racing before like tons of times like at the
beginning of what was the race three years ago at Daytona when the BMW punted
the Porsche and the lap clearly did it took like, you know, 30 laps to fix
the car, but the race is already over, even though it's a 24 hour race for
that car and the BMW gets a drive through penalty.
Like, dude, and then that car ends up finishing third overall.
And it's like, that's not that penalty doesn't even equate to speaking to
FI rules, you know, that that should be those things should carry on to
next race or at least if you were, I don't understand why they can't do this.
If you're clearly the fault of the accident, meaning like you punted
somebody off or you you cut them off or you took their apex away when they
had when it was their apex and you literally put them in the tire wall.
If they can fix their car.
So like it's a two step lead lap when they get back out.
Well, if they don't, here's the two ways to do it.
If the if the car, it caused it and it takes the car 30 laps to get back out.
I think the car caused it.
They get 30 laps.
They are 30 laps down now.
The car caused it.
That's what I think should happen.
Like instead of trying to make because it's not fair to the other guys
that are still out to say, OK, the car wrecked because now that's 30 less
laps, that car has to run.
But so so the catchback, they shouldn't be on the lead lap.
That I get that.
But the car did cause the damage should also not be on the lead lap.
So yeah, that's a fair that's a fair ability.
That makes sense.
And then if the car gets DNF because of the accident, so bad.
I think no matter what you're qualifying is on the next race that you
participate in, you start in the back, no matter what.
So you might as well not even go to qualify because you're you've been penalized.
You're right in the back like so.
I don't know why that's so hard to do.
I think that would be an easy fix.
And I think every team would approve that because that seems fair.
Yeah.
Because the teams that are don't get wrecked, they're not getting
penalized, meaning like, oh, so that so if we wreck, I can in somebody
wrecks me, I get to stand and lead lap like that would just get too confusing.
But if you punt me and it's obvious you're also if whatever I'm down,
you're also down.
I bet you that would definitely make driving etiquette.
Oh, it would change in a good way.
Like people would have to run a lot cleaner.
And it would and it would in a good way, dismantle that LMP to program
because then you would be like, look, man, you crash too much.
You can't race.
You're not.
We don't want you in our car.
Well, they already took out the LMP three program because that was.
Yeah.
Rackfest.
It's just and honestly, like, I know there needs to be a place for them to
do that stuff, but it just I know for a fact, just because we've talked to
the pro drivers and the am drivers that are in, you know, the
sports cars that aren't in those prototypes and they absolutely despise
those guys that are not this and I don't think unless I'm just totally ignorant
on it.
I don't think there's really a place for them because they're not going to
go from those LMP two cars to no G3 our car or GTP.
So it's not even like a doesn't even make sense in the series.
Yeah.
So they can have their own LMP two LMP three series, but it's just a way for
they don't have enough.
They probably don't have enough people buying it to make it.
No, they can't.
So like what?
Well, that's why they're lumped into the series.
So like they can help pump cars on the track.
And basically they're the shit stirs if you for the lack of a better term
because the other if you know, honestly, if it was the other just the other cars
out there, it would run a lot cleaner.
I mean, we would see some accidents.
That's inevitable.
Yeah.
But we wouldn't see the accidents that we have now because I would say
at least 70 percent of the time it's an LMP two car doing something.
But I'm not seeing somebody.
Like punting somebody, you know, cutting somebody off, just losing it
and crashing into because they are faster in a lot of aspects in some places.
And that's yeah, that does.
And I'm sure as help a series owner, meaning like, you know, owning M.
So they like money because it adds, you know, an element of
unpredictability to the racing.
But for the other teams that are spending millions and millions
of dollars to be there, I'm sure they would love to wrangle in that
unpredictability to say, dude, these guys have no business being out here.
Like that's a toy car with a nice engine in it and they're crashing
into multi-million dollar cars and DNFing them.
Like I'm sure this is an argument that's been going on for a very long time
behind closed doors.
Has to have been because I mean, think about it.
I mean, prime example, if you were like Cadillac last year or something
like that, I mean, even this year, was it was it accurate or Cadillac?
I know it was Cadillac that got punted by an LMT P2 car that crushed
the whole back clamshell and just basically ruined their race because
that car was fast and then they had to go in and get repaired.
And then they went laps down and then it was over like for them.
Like they just couldn't climb back in and then they just had issues
the rest of the day.
And it's like with no fault to their self, you know, and the old
BS like, oh, Robyn's recent.
I mean, to a certain degree.
Yeah.
But not when you just flat out crash into them.
There's a clear like rear-ended.
Yeah.
If this happened at traffic light, yeah, clearly, it would be a fault.
You know, exactly.
If that's maybe maybe they should have like state troopers run an accident
report.
Yeah.
Right.
Like cite them like as they come in.
All right, boys.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That was a rear-ender on you.
Like why there's a safety car.
You just see a state trooper like walking the line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Almost like, yeah, that would be funny.
Almost like a instant replay.
Yeah.
Oh, oh, he's determined the LMP two cars been eliminated.
Sir.
Or yeah, like if it's so funny because if for example, if you pull some
crap like that on a, I don't know, a PCA track event or or any of those
events where you're like trying to score points for a season, you get
a black flagged for that crap.
So yes, those guys are amateurs.
Yeah.
But like you'd never, I've never, ever seen a black flag on a car ever in
pro racing.
That's a good boy.
They definitely have the flying out there.
So it's like, and it's probably rare that the same car keeps doing stuff,
but if they're supposed to be professionals.
Now, I know the LMP two car guys aren't really professionals.
They those are that's a pay to play most of those guys or they go get
sponsorships so they can play, but they're not like the other guys.
A lot of them at least aren't that are collecting a paycheck paycheck
from like a manufacturer or something to be in their car.
Right.
Like, hey, you're a lot of teams went and snipered guys that are XS one F1
drivers and all that stuff.
Those guys aren't there for their health.
They're there to get a paycheck and they're also there to win.
And then you got this other guy.
It's, you know, kick and ask cause he owns 20 or 30 franchises and it's
like, I'm just as good as racers.
Those guys almost show them what time it is.
It's like, they're in the car and you all see yours.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Oh, shit.
Those are the guys that should be mic'd up.
But anyways, so good race overall.
So next topic.
So this is interesting.
So this is this topic is regarding transport, meaning like you buy a vehicle.
It doesn't have to be new.
Could be whatever.
Yeah.
Other side of the country.
You transport it.
I've always had reservations have done it doing it.
I've have done it before and I'll just share some of my personal experiences.
I'll share some of experiences first from some friends and then I'll get into
why I'm bringing this up.
Did you learn any Russian?
No, no, that would help.
Yeah.
Well, I think it just depends.
If you're in the south, you definitely need to Spanish because those are usually
the truckers that are moving stuff down here.
But that that's neither here.
The language barrier is not the issue here.
It's usually work ethic and that type of character.
It's it's character based usually.
Yeah.
So my experiences.
I so let's it probably be easier if I talk about the cars that I didn't transport.
So I drove the GT three home from Texas.
Yep.
I drove the Safari car home from Georgia.
I drove the night there for home from Georgia.
I drove the nine nine three home from Miami.
I drove the nine six nine nine six home from Miami there.
What drove the Cayenne home from Tennessee?
I was also there.
So, you know, the couple that I have transported.
So they're never there when they say they're going to be there.
It's always way late and there's very much the cable guy.
It is nine and five and usually because those guys work weird hours or they get
tired and they sleep, they're like, hey, you know, they'll tell you like, oh,
hey, the car will be there around five, six p.m.
Car shows up at three o'clock in the morning.
Yeah, that's happened to me before.
You know, phones ringing.
You're like, hey, we're we're on your street.
We're unloading the car right now.
I'm like, it's fucking three o'clock in the morning.
What are you talking about?
You're nine hours late, dude.
Um, started a day early.
Yeah, well, and then they pull the, oh, well, don't you want the car?
It's like, you know what I mean?
They're just rude people in general.
You wait eight hours to be great.
And then what's in where I was going to go and it ties in.
I didn't even deliberately do this, like talking about the racing thing.
It goes back to communication.
These guys don't communicate or girls.
It doesn't matter who it is.
And let's go through the process a little bit so people don't understand
because a lot of people don't know this.
They think, oh, you just call like most services, you call a place.
You bet you make an appointment.
That place is the place who's going to pick your car up and move your car.
No, that's not how it works at all.
So let's just say you buy your car from dealership a well dealership a says,
Hey, we need transport for this 9 11 to go to South Florida.
We are located in Texas.
Let's just say that.
So then it goes into a internet basically Q message board where their stuff is at.
And people who transport cars for a living can go on to this board and basically
just select the car now gets even deeper because there's no rules to this.
Now there's bigger firms that other people sub sublet underneath that,
meaning like, let's just call it Mike, Mike and Aaron towing or transport.
And we own, let's say we're a big operation and we own 30 18 wheelers.
We own a couple of trailers and people work for us.
Okay, great.
So we so we so we secure the contract and then that means we sell that contract
to another sublet, which happens pretty regularly because, you know, people
are moving certain like in and they're they lobby.
It's it's a chaotic situation.
So now you think Mike and Aaron's towing company is moving your car.
They're not they already subletted your thing.
So they actually have no responsibility to your car.
So they have, you know, Jethro from, you know, the Holler in Kentucky move
in your car and you didn't know that you thought it was this other place.
But now that guy shows up, you know, and his dually that half the bed
fiberglass bed is gone and paradigmically exactly.
It helps to get through the snow faster and that guy is transporting
a car and doesn't communicate with you and maybe send you a couple of cryptic
text messages like, Oh, hey, I'm transporting your car.
It should be there on Thursday, you know, today's Tuesday.
You're like, OK, no big deal.
What time you're like between like eight a.m. and three a.m.
You're like, what can you narrow the window down?
He's like, then you don't hear from the guy for two days.
And then as he's approaching, you know, maybe a couple of hours out, he's
like, Oh, hey, I'm a few hours away.
No actual time he's going to be there.
I'm a few hours away now.
So you're looking at your watch.
You're like, Oh, for he should be around latest, like seven o'clock, right?
Nothing happens.
You eat dinner, you hang out, watch some shows.
It's 10 o'clock.
You don't know what's going on.
You're about to go to bed.
Hey, I'm texting this guy.
Hey, I'm going to bed.
I don't I thought you were supposed to be here in a couple of hours.
No answer.
You go to bed.
Phone rings at 3 a.m.
Hey, we're here.
What the fuck, dude?
You're like, Hey, do you want your car or not?
Like that's their attitude.
You're like, dude, you're like the worst, but they're all that way.
It's not just one guy.
Yeah, all of these guys are.
Like so when I say all like 75% of them in that industry are that way.
And then there's a very few of 25% that does a good job that does communicate.
I have never experienced that.
I've transported three to cars and paid for transport on three cars,
three different types of cars.
They were all just as equally terrible experiences as every single one of them.
They all had the same thing they had in common is it was shit communication.
And I learned all of that, what I just shared through the process of being in that
because I want to know where my shit's at.
So I'm calling around and they're like, Oh, they don't actually have your car.
They have your car because they they sublet it out.
And then, you know, as you do this, you start to figure this crap out
and you're kind of like, this is a really cockamamie industry here, man.
Like what's going on here?
Yeah, like, why is this allowed?
So now why am I telling you this?
Yeah, Florida, man.
Shocker.
There's a Florida guy who's on this board, picks up some guys 9-11 brand new 9-11
from a dealership 2026 9-11 got to transport it up north.
Hey, it's pretty good looking car.
Was that Carmine right?
Cool.
Hey, I'll have it right to you.
Nick, look at his split.
No problem.
So the guy's driving the car in his truck cover trailer, whatever he decides to
transport it in, I don't know the actual transport of what it is.
Well, same situation.
Customer starts reaching out to the guy, doesn't get a hold of the guy, gets
nervous, contacts a dealership.
Where's my car at?
Oh, I don't know.
He left here.
He should be there.
We'll try to get a hold of him.
He's not responding to us either.
Oh, hey, cool.
But we do have like a locator beacon on your car because it's so new.
You know, we do that with all the transport stuff, you know, just like
an Apple air tag or something.
Yeah, cool.
No problem.
Well, come to find out guys driving his brand new car around the transport guy
cruising his car.
Yep.
Putting miles on it, racking them up, driving around masquerading like it's
his car in South Florida.
Hasn't even left to transport the car.
Dude, they find they track the car down.
They arrest the guy.
Of course.
So those are the kind of people you're dealing with when you transport a car
unless you go and you pay triple and go with like reliable carriers.
So when you wonder why it cost $5,000 to transport a car, it's because those
people in that industry that charge $5,000 know how scumbaggy the other guys
are like this guy that only charges like $1,800, which is still a lot.
But you're like, that's ridiculous.
That's a lot of money.
Well, I want to pay five grand to transport the car.
Maybe you won't.
Maybe you do want to spend five grand to transport the car because I promise
you the reliable carrier guy is not joyriding your car around.
So long story short.
That's why I brought this up because that just happened recently.
And I think for anyone, not even just if it's a new car, if it's a car
that you purchase, it's your car.
It's you bought it because you think it's special and you're excited to have
it, even if it already has miles on it.
That is a real fear.
I think anybody who's a car enthusiast has it says, man, I hope
that guy's not driving my car around.
And then this is the exact nightmare that has happened.
It's like, dude, what?
That's not a yeah, that's I mean, that guy probably never order
from that dealership ever again.
Well, yeah, or transport a car ever again.
Right.
Now, I know there's circumstances where maybe you live on the East Coast
and you just don't want to make that drive because of cars in Seattle
and you really got to have that car because it's the right spec
and you've been chasing it and the price is right for you
and everything lines up perfect.
And you're just like, I'm not driving the car from Seattle to wherever a
because it's a long trip.
Maybe it's a collector car and you don't want to get it, you know,
messed up in the drive.
I get that part.
But if it's a daily driver type of car, dude, my personal
recommendation, take the time off work.
Yeah, take the drive, like drive the car.
Two things happen there.
Hey, you shake the car down, which is a good thing.
You want to always do that.
Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah, this shit doesn't work.
I did not know that.
I do.
At a minimum, if you're buying a car from a dealership,
it should be able to make the drive anyway.
So that shouldn't be a concern unless you're buying some really
rickety old project.
That's totally different.
We're talking about drivable cars here.
Most of the cars probably already have miles on it.
Worst case scenario, what you add another 3000 miles at the most
if you're on the West Coast driving by over to the East Coast
and then you can make a trip out of it.
You could have fun, whatever.
Anyways, that's just my recommendation.
Like I don't let the geography limit to where I buy cars and some people
was like, oh, are you going to ship that car?
I was like, dude, I'll fly to Washington and drive that car home.
I don't care.
Is this your way of telling me we're going to get another car and drive somewhere?
I'm just this is just a story came out.
So I just wanted to talk about it.
I'm just saying in general, like it's just one of those things where I know
that's not feasible for a lot of folks because they're like, dude, I can't.
I can't just bank off five days and just drive.
If I got a family, I got kids.
I can't just be absent.
I get that.
But I'm saying if you can, if you can make it happen, you should drive
the car home, even if it's like you think it's precious and it's air cooled
and it's this and it can't do it.
The car can do it.
Like if it's going to go and if if you're worried about that, it can't.
Well, that's another negotiating piece with the dealership to say, hey, you
need to make sure this car is right because I'm flying into drive at home.
And a lot of times I've actually with people that I know that have also bought
cars when you say that usually if the people on the other end or stand up
people, they're like, well, I wouldn't do that.
It needs tire.
And then you start to find things out about the car.
So it actually can be kind of a little, yeah, it could be a little bit of
counterintelligence on your on your half to say, hey, I'm driving the car home.
They're like, well, I wouldn't do that.
It's got like a nasty coolant leak.
You might want to get that fix beforehand.
It's like, oh, well, you didn't tell me about that.
You're like, all right.
So get that fixed before I pick it up then on your dime, not mine.
But yeah, I just thought this was interesting in the sense because anytime I
transported a car, it didn't matter how many miles ahead.
Nobody wants their car being joy ridden around by one of these scumbags.
But yeah, that's what happened to this poor gentleman that bought this car.
And and then all the other things that go along with shipping a car, right?
Like, oh, is the guy at shipping my car is is he good?
Like is the car secure or what if something falls on my car from another
car drips on my car or they these guys dialed in and then it goes back to,
well, if you if you're worried about that, don't go with one of these
unknown carriers, right?
Go go with a carrier that's known.
Unfortunately, he's going to cost a lot more just because everything costs a lot
more. Yeah. And I think for me, that's why I drive the car home
because I'd rather not because I have anxiety anyway, just in general or OCD.
So even if I paid a reliable carrier, six grand to transport the car for me,
I'm still going to be like on edge, like where's Kara?
What's going on? Is everything OK?
I'm still going to go through all those things.
I'm not going to be worried about the joy riding thing, but I'm still going to be worried.
Do it anyway. Yeah.
So I'm just like, dude, why don't I just buy a ticket and drive it home?
Yeah. And I can I'll just deal with it, you know, with myself.
Like I'll get the car home.
He's doing it. He's doing it like by stance for every four hours.
I'm going to need a buddy for this for business.
All right.
I do have a reliable, not actually literally reliable, but I do have a good
person that will transport stuff.
So yeah, for peak, our drug people might let my light that out.
I might share that. I've had good experiences with him.
Yeah, you might.
Big Daddy Vlad. Yeah.
Russian bro showed up, got got stuff done.
Yeah. And like I said, not everybody's scumbaggy, but there's there's definitely
I feel like in that industry, there is definitely I agree that a lot of not a
lot of people know that it's brokered.
No, I think almost nobody knows that unless you've been unless you're in the
industry or have actually transported the moment you bought.
Well, here's how you find out.
Well, you know, when you put your info and to have something transported like
in a website and you get 20 different calls from different people.
Exactly. Yeah.
I mean, honestly, if you want to test that theory, like you could just literally
put a car on there and say that you need transport and your phone will
start ringing like off the hook of and every accent you can imagine is going
to be on the other line.
You should sound like that when you get.
Yeah.
I mean, you you want to you want to chest your dialect like translation put
just put that on there for fun.
Like you could probably make a TikTok or YouTube channel just doing stuff
like that, like a crank call off that thing and have them like calling you
and they do.
Try to like cipher what they're saying, essentially.
Well, Graham, kind of long there, huh?
Yeah, normal.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, that's this show.
Do you have anything else for him?
I guess don't trust all the towing out there.
Yeah.
I mean, I I hate to get like overly long winded about it, but I mean,
it is what it is, right?
Like that industry is just not a police industry like meaning it's
always kind of been that way.
Yeah.
And there's nobody really in the middle, I guess the best way to
describe it is you have your top tier carriers and they are top tier
and they charge they're all they're all in house and they're not farming.
So they yeah, so they so they charge top tier prices.
So meaning like you can go to a reliable carrier.
They're they're not on those.
They're not trying to cipher from those boards and like steel jobs there.
Like they are the type of place where you call them and they take your
information and they transport your car.
It's a reliable truck and they charge you six grand.
No matter how big, you know, better how big of a deal that Vinnie
gets you exactly.
Yeah.
And it's not based off your car.
It doesn't charge you more because the car is nicer.
So on the flip side of that too, if you need to transport a $30,000 car
and it costs you $6,000 to transport it, you're kind of like that
doesn't really make a lot of sense for me.
You know, like that thing just costs transporting it costs fifth
of the price of the car.
Like the 917 is also on there.
Yeah, I mean, that's good.
No, I know.
But I'm just saying in general, like that's where it turns into.
Yes, you want your car to be protected.
But there's that's how you fall to the to the less desirable
carriers because now you're chasing pricing and I will use myself like
I was chasing pricing.
I didn't want to spend $6,000 to transport a car.
So that that put me in the crosshairs of the lower tier carriers
of who knows about to transport your car turns out some driving
hours and a couple hotels are and oh, one final thing on this.
This is actually important and I almost forgot this part.
When they go to pick your car up, it's actually on the dealership
or if if you're transporting from a private party, they don't
know any better.
So it's not really their responsibility, but there's credentials
that are associated with whoever the carrier is on the car,
meaning like they need to be bonded to do this and they need to
have they need to be registered and they also need to have all
the like their their license registry to be able to tow commercially
like posted on their vehicle.
That's what all those numbers are normally on the side of drugs.
Exactly.
And most dealerships that do sell cars for a living do end up checking
if some carrier comes to get a car because they want to make sure
that they handed the car off responsibly to somebody who's bonded
and insured and all the things that they're supposed to be.
However, with that being said, just like anything, these guys show
up whenever they want to show up.
So they may show up after hours or at closing time and maybe
there's a porter there and everybody has left and that's the
only person left and maybe they're not going to do a thorough
check on that paperwork.
So you may be getting a car transported by not the people that
have the most up and up paperwork as well.
So it depends on the dealership.
If you're buying kind of from a boutique dealership that's maybe
not always there or maybe they're just not very thorough with their
paperwork or they think they know or whatever.
So just be mindful of that side of it too because it's not just
on them.
It's also the people releasing the car.
They're supposed to provide that that documentation to those
folks to say, Hey, here's all my stuff.
I'm valid.
I'm up to date.
My registration, my insurance, my bonds, my licenses, everything's
right here.
And that they're supposed to make either a photocopy screenshot
something to cover their ass, essentially to say that we've
released this car to this guy as opposed to like some guy showed
us fake paperwork and stole your Lamborghini.
You know, like, well, you paid for it.
It's not our problem anymore.
It went on the transport.
So you got to go after them.
So like just know you could be in that weird limbo because that's
also happened to people where cars disappear and then the dealership
is like, well, we gave it to these guys.
I don't know what you want us to do about it.
And now you're on the hook because you paid for a car that you
don't have.
So anyways, I guess my last piece of parting advice is if you're
running second, you know, you can be first.
Do that.
Take it if you can, right?
All right.
Talk to you guys on the next one.
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About this episode
P-Car Talk starts with heartbreaking news: Arnaj Motorsports lost its Porsche-focused shop to a fire, destroying tools and equipment but thankfully injuring nobody. The hosts urge listeners to support the team via GoFundMe. Racing coverage follows with Porsche’s 1-2 at Sebring in GTP, then turns to controversy over teammate position swaps and missing radio orders that sparked post-race tension. The discussion expands to Manti’s strong Sebring win, rule changes affecting other teams, and broader gripes about traffic and penalties in endurance racing. Finally, they share cautionary advice on car transport—brokered, poorly communicated, and sometimes downright criminal “joyrides”—and recommend driving cars home when possible.
Original notes
A shop burned down. There's beef inside Porsche's factory team. And a transporter got arrested for joyriding someone's brand new 911.
This week on P-car Talk, Mike and Aaron open with some real news from the South Florida car community — Arnage Motorsports, owned by their close friends Cory and George, lost their entire shop in a fire. GoFundMe link is in the description. These are good people and the community needs to show up for them.
Then they break down Porsche's Sebring sweep — first, second in GTP, Manthey wins its class. Great weekend on paper. But there's post-race drama between the number 6 and number 7 cars that makes the press conference worth watching. Team orders, a lead change that wasn't authorized, and two teammates who are very publicly not on the same page.
And then the one you'll be talking about: a Florida transporter decided a new customer's 911 was his personal weekend car. He got caught. He got arrested. But it opens up the entire conversation about how broken the car shipping industry really is — and whether driving the car home yourself is always the right call.
GoFundMe for Arnage Motorsports: https://gofund.me/d87d9f93a
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