Porsche Options Face-Off: What’s Genius and What’s a Gimmick?

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I'm Will.

And I'm Derek.

And today's episode I think will have a pretty broad appeal to people who range from maybe

somebody who is actually getting ready to order a custom built, if you will, Porsche from the

factory.

And I think it'll go all the way to being of interest to somebody maybe who is looking

at a pre-owned Porsche and trying to decide whether or not different options and features

make sense for the example you're looking at.

I think quite frankly this could also appeal to people who love playing around on the Porsche

Configurator.

They're online car builder and maybe you're just a dreamer and maybe you're never even

going to own one but you just have fun building your own car.

So Derek, I'm hoping that this one will land.

I know that we have some fun content planned but before we get into all of that, why

don't you share with the folks how they can continue to get great Porsche content

from us.

Gosh, you can get it on the video and you can get it on the audio, Will.

And so we're enthusiasts, the YouTube channel, Will is continuing to put up some great videos.

Of course, as we mentioned last week, his Boxster is up for sale, his Blue Boxster.

Will he, won't he accept an offer and sell it because it's gorgeous?

Yeah, just to square people away as they listen to this if they are looking for

a base Boxster, 987.1, I was pretty intent on selling it, Derek, but as I started

to have inquiries and as I started to really look at the car and as I found somewhere

a way to store the car in my garage that I didn't realize I had.

So that was part of the reason I was selling with space.

I'm really torn.

So in fairness to anybody who's listening, I think it's passively for sale.

So I'm fighting with it.

But anyway, let's get back on track.

11 After 9, my YouTube channel, 11 After 9, all spelled out.

Have a really fantastic video that at the time of this publication for

the podcast will be up on the demand GT4.

I'm actually really excited to share it with all of you because I really dig

into what makes the demand modification to the GT4 different and why it really

leaves all the other GT4s that I've driven in the dust.

And it's a pretty cool video.

So I'm excited to share it with all of you.

Check that out on 11 After 9, Derek.

Man, I as a new owner of a second 981 GT4, in other words, I've had two now.

I'm really intrigued by this, this video you have coming up on your channel.

What year is the GT4 that you reviewed though?

It is a 981.

So the same year as yours.

Killer.

Okay.

Great, man.

I'm going to check that out for sure.

It takes the car you have and just adds in kind of this brutality with motor

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So please feel free in the comments to add in below this video.

What would you guys like to hear us talk about?

And we'll give you our opinion, whether it's right or wrong.

So with that, Will, I'm actually excited about today's podcast because

I am not necessarily a new Porsche buyer, but I certainly look for

used Porsche and there's certain options that I've kind of come to believe

are really important and others I think are superfluous and I really don't need.

And so we're going to talk about some of those today.

And I think that the audience, whether they're surprised or not, are going

to find that you and I come down on opposite sides with a couple of these.

And so we'll dig right in.

Are you ready?

I want to open up by saying that this is a topic that seems to be really

how do I say this?

It seems to be captivating to Porsche enthusiasts.

What types of options do you have on your car and what are essential and what

aren't and what's worth paying extra money to Porsche when you're building

your car to put on it?

But what's interesting is I saw a Doug DeMiro video a while back and,

you know, everybody listening to this or watching this probably knows

about Doug DeMiro, the automotive content creator of the century.

But he was poking a lot of fun at Porsche enthusiasts and, you know,

our fixation on specs, specs, specs, specs, specs, specs back.

So, you know, I don't know what thoughts you have on why that seems to be

such a such a topic.

I mean, on the one hand, a lot of these things we're going to be talking

about today, like it's about practical use and does it enhance

the performance or the convenience of the ownership experience?

But on the other hand, is it not kind of this stupid,

like, micromanaging your, huh?

It's one-upsmanship is what it is.

Yeah, that's where I was going, man.

Is it like a cars and coffee bragging rights kind of thing.

And so, yeah, I think a lot of ways it is.

Yeah, yeah.

Now I built a Carrera T that I ordered a couple of years back now.

I don't know a year.

I don't know how long it's been, man, time flies.

But I had personal experience going through the configurator online

and kind of selecting the different options.

And I can say this, like, as the stakes go up, and I think

this applies to pre-owned stuff too, if you're looking at it,

like the higher the spec, the more the money.

And then that's when you start to get into this whole

internal conversation of, man, like this would be really cool

to have, but it's going to cost me more money.

And is it really worth it?

So I think that hopefully sets the table for the discussion

today.

I mean, I don't know if you want to add any big picture

ideas here, Derek.

And then we can certainly dig into the, you know, the

main points here of the different options we'll be discussing.

We know with Porsche, it's an a la carte menu when it comes

to these options and everything has a cost, whether it's

ceramic brakes or nose lift systems or the leather covering

on your air vents to match the color of your exterior, you

know, stupidest, stupidest option out there.

Well, there's one we agree on.

And so the fact of the matter is, is that the price of

cars can balloon very quickly.

And the base price is never the walkout price when it

comes to these cars.

And you find yourself to your point, you might be

optioning up a base Carrera and all of a sudden you're

surpassing easily what a Carrera S or a GTS would be.

So then you start having that conversation with yourself

that if I did a few less options, do I jump into the

next level of performance?

Where does that take you as far as classification?

So, yeah, that's something to consider.

I'll be honest, I think forums are a huge problem

when it comes to talking about options and the

importance of options because you have a lot of keyboard

warriors that are pontificating about the

importance of certain things and why if you don't have it,

you're not a real enthusiast or you don't know what

you're missing or fill in the blank.

And so I think in a lot of ways it comes from

uninformed opinions or maybe informed opinions, but

one person's opinion and it gets magnified out.

And someone reads that and says, Oh my God, like I

need rear wheel steer.

If I don't get rear wheel steer in a car, it's

not even worth getting that transforms the car.

Well, that's that person's opinion.

Yeah, like dude doesn't even own a car that has

that feature.

He watched some YouTube video where some commentator

who quite frankly might be in Porsche's pocket is

saying you got to get this, you got to get that.

And so all these opinions fly around and you

know, and sometimes it's difficult to go

experience an example that has a specific

option that you're considering.

And that happened to me.

We can get into it a little bit later with

rear wheel steering, rear axle steering.

Yeah.

And you know, the other thing too, Will, is

that in most automotive journalists will admit

this is that when they go on launches, you know,

Porsche, for example, will fly you to the Maldives or

to, you know, the most beautiful part of Spain

or, you know, somewhere in eastern Asia.

And it's just this most the most gorgeous place

will put you up in beautiful hotels, they'll

feed you wonderful food.

And they don't do it out of the goodness of

their heart.

And I'm not saying that journalistic integrity

is dead.

It's not of that at all.

But I have heard a number of journalists say,

well, listen, you know, maybe I thought it was

one thing on the launch, but now having driven

it more, I don't think that this option is as

good as I thought it was.

Dr. Murrow is a perfect example.

He very famously wouldn't take any journalistic

money.

He would pay for his own flights because he

didn't want to feel like he owed any of the

company's, you know, a good review.

That's it, man.

It's very hard to smash a car after they've

hooked you up with all of what you just

talked about, you know.

So, so I don't know.

You got two lonely content creators sitting

in our home offices.

We can be unbiased.

So I'd love to, I'd love to get in, get the

opportunity to review some of these cars.

So, yeah, exactly.

Porsche, reach out to us.

If we could get a couple of loners in our

driveways, yeah, well, what we can be

bought, is that what you're saying?

Look at my background, dude.

I'm not in the Maldives.

Not yet.

We're just a couple of podcasts away.

We're almost there, buddy.

All right, let's get into it, man.

Let's like, we've been deferring the main,

main event here.

So let's talk about the first, first option.

Nose lift systems, nose lift systems.

For those folks out there that don't know

what this is, Porsche created an option as

their cars became lower and lower and

more aerodynamic in the wheels and became

bigger and bigger.

They found that, especially with their

more high performance cars, they were

really running into curbs, potholes,

speed bumps, angled driveways, and tearing

off carbon fiber or rubber valances

that are under the cars.

So Porsche developed a system that in the

cabin, you can push a button and very

quickly the car will raise the nose

X amount and you get over it and then

it drops back down.

And I think, if I'm not mistaken, the

last two generations have the ability

to, with the GPS, if you had pushed

your nose lift system, like say coming

down a street that there's always a

speed bump, it will remember that and

then raise the nose of your car, you

know, as you're going down the street

automatically.

And so, Will, do you think this is a

worthwhile option?

Do you think this makes sense if you

were going to option out of Porsche or

should you look for that if you were

looking for a newer Porsche?

I, okay, so I think number one, it

sounds like a lot of like things that

could break.

So you better not own a car with

front axle lift out of warranty.

GPS enabled self lifting technology.

I mean, man, when I built my T, I did

not elect to have that.

I am kind of a staunch believer that if

you understand approach angles and

you're careful and you are fairly

seasoned with these cars, like you can

get around most places that could

scuff the underside of the front of

the car.

I also, like I can't speak to

particular models that have maybe not

that, what I'll call that throw away

rubber piece on the front.

So I can't say that this is

definitively the case for all of the

super low cars that you could damage

by accident by, you know, by bumping

the underside of the nose.

But when I do scrape and I hit one of

those like plastic pieces, you know,

that hang, it's the front, it's the

lip, you know, I'm talking about.

Yeah, there's, I feel like there's

two parts because Porsche is all about

air dynamics.

And so you have your, your lower

valence, which is below your

license plate that usually, you know,

kind of creates like a blockage

for air running under your car.

So it's not an airplane.

And then you also have additional

kind of rubber, I don't know what you

call them, almost like canards that

are under your car, maybe for

brake cooling and stuff like that.

Yeah, so you don't want to hit

paint on concrete.

How about that?

But there, but there is like,

you know, kind of, I think they're

designed to be replaced, these

rubber pieces on the front.

And, you know, when I do scrape,

it doesn't bother me in the least

because they're kind of throwaway

pieces.

So I'm not a huge front axle lift

person.

This does not apply technically,

but like my 993, my 1995 Porsche

911, that car is super low.

All right.

And I'm going to knock on my desk

here, but not once have I had an

experience of scraping the front

because you just, if you approach

it correctly, like at a 45 degree

angle, like you can get around

scraping the nose, you know, and

also just be smart.

Like if there's, if there's an

exit where you know it's a

challenge, like out of a parking

lot, just don't go there.

I couldn't disagree with you more

Will, I'm going to tell you why

you're wrong.

Well, you know what?

Actually, I can't tell you why

you're wrong.

I will tell you this.

I think it depends on where you

live in the U.S.

My roads in New England stink

and especially now they're

tearing all of them up.

And so what you'll often do is

be going down the road and then

drop about an inch onto broken

pavement and then there's raised

manholes that you are trying

to like a pinball machine

avoid.

And so I actually think nose

lift systems are fantastic.

I think that they're

a mandatory thing to have on GT

cars that are from the factory

really low.

You say that the rubber pieces

are kind of throw away.

I don't disagree that they're

you know, outside of like a

carbon fiber type of thing.

You can definitely replace them.

But I took a quick look and

to get a replacement rubber

pieces between seven hundred and

fifty and fifteen hundred

dollars.

And that's if you're going to

install it yourself.

And so if you can do

that, that's great.

But you know, you look at the

cost of what the nose lift system

would be if you built a car or

you know, bought it as part of

the used car, it might add up.

I mean, it might be equal as far

as cost. I don't disagree with

you that it is something else

to break.

Well, in New England, number one,

take all the money you're wasting

on front axle lift and move

south.

Wise up.

It's too cold up there anyway.

But that's fair, man.

I mean, I drive in North

Carolina where we don't have.

I mean, the roads are not in

that shape.

Oh, frost heaves, my friend,

spring up here and frost

heaves. You'll be driving down a

road.

It almost feels like it's

corrugated because all the

pavement has is crusted.

Now, listen, when you drive it

coming into a driveway, forty

five degree angle.

I agree with you, right?

As long as it's not too severe.

Yeah, but up here, we have

this thing where a lot of on a

lot of cut down streets, like

if you're doing, say, thirty

five miles an hour, they'll

have these what they call

speed humps.

And it's not like they're

painted yellow.

They're the same color as the

pavement.

Sometimes there's a sign,

sometimes not.

And if you hit these doing thirty

five miles an hour, like in my

truck, I'm thrown in the in the

air. And so having a nose lift

in my mind is a nice

convenience. And also in terms

of resale, I think it is

something that's generally

looked at as being positive,

especially as these cars

continue to get lower and

lower.

How how much does it weigh?

Any idea?

I don't know.

I don't wonder if you could

actually feel the extra weight

up front. I mean, that's kind of

part of what you like about a

9-11 is that floating front and

feel less less

so in the newer newer cars.

But it could be absolutely

ridiculous on my part.

But I have kind of wondered

about the weight in the past.

Yeah, I can't comment on that.

I mean, I definitely think if

you were to add it after the

fact, the weight on your wallet

is significant.

I mean, I've heard of these

things. Oh my God.

People do that. Eight, ten

grand. Yeah. So stupid.

Jesus, man.

OK. Yeah.

So whoa.

So we're split.

So it's yay for me, nay for you

on nose left.

So audience, make up your own

minds.

Dude, we have the speed bump

things you're talking about

down south here.

Come on down.

I'm going to teach you how to

drive a little better.

And I've never had a problem

with those. You just got to

kind of keep your eyes open

and swerve out and take it

out of 45. I kid, I hear

you. I mean, you're right.

I those roads up there suck.

But anyway, let's get into

the the next one.

We talked about it earlier.

Let's chat about rear wheel

steer and having option

that or not option that in the

past. Why don't you touch on

that? What that is for the

audience?

Man. So I did a lot of content

on my channel on this 992.1

now. Carrera T experience

that I had ordering it,

taking delivery of it,

initial impressions, longer

term impressions.

When I first started driving

that car, man, I loved rear

axle steering.

It made steering

effort far less

to get really kind of precise

turns. And, you know, it

felt surgical and it really did

remind me of my 981 GT4

and just how well it went

exactly where you pointed it.

As time went on, it became

this thing where it's cool

when you want it, but it would

have been awesome to be able

to turn it off.

And also it made the car a

little bit twitchy and feel a

little dangerous when you got

up to, I won't specify

numbers, but when you got up to

pretty blistering speeds,

maybe speeds you shouldn't been

doing.

Because the car just was so

responsive.

It felt a little bit like too

responsive, if that may say.

It was unforgiving.

And so I was super high on it

first. And now I

wouldn't. How about this? I

wouldn't buy another car

with it.

Interesting. I've never owned

a Porsche with rear wheel steer,

but I have owned a few BMWs

with that. So you want to talk

about complexity and something

to break down the line.

I mean, I think that this

definitely qualifies.

I'm not a big fan.

And as a matter of fact, so the

idea, of course, is that it makes

larger cars feel much more

smaller, more nimble.

Like you said, it's

tell me if I'm wrong here, but

at lower speeds, the wheels

turn in

opposite directions.

And so you can take a tighter

turn, but at high speeds,

they turn in the same.

This is such a it's such

an example of how like you and I

just see things differently and

not not necessarily in an

adversarial way, but just.

Yeah, when I ordered it, I like

skimmed over like how exactly

it worked. And then I filed

an under under the not

important tab

because what I really cared

about was, hey, when I jump in

the car, what does it feel

like? I don't really care

about how it works.

So yeah, I mean, not to

shoot you down. I'm sure there

are many people out there

that would be curious and

fascinated by like how exactly

it worked. But I just thought

I'd take a moment just to

point out kind of how I think

you and I you and I are the

ying and yang, you know, how

our brains were. Yeah, man.

That's right. I love it.

What I found with like my X

fives that had it, I couldn't

it's going to sound terrible as

a car guy. I couldn't park the

goddamn thing because it

would always I never knew

what angle the rear wheels

were at. And I would always

be off when I was parking in

a parking space. And I

drive every single day

and I park every single day

and all my other cars are fine.

But depending on which way the

wheels were going, I'd always

be a little off with it and

it annoyed the crap out of me.

I know that's such a weird

thing, but interesting. Yeah.

I am I'm just not a I'm not a

big fan. I have driven cars

with rear wheel steer.

And I feel like, well, let

me just put it this way.

Porsche comes out with the

the ST and it is supposed

to be the reincarnation of,

you know, the purity of

driving, you know, going

back to the 70s with the 9

11's. It does not have

rear wheel steer.

What does that say to you?

I don't know, man.

And let me just say this to you.

I do as I was listening to

you talk and I was thinking

back over my experience with

it, I had forgotten about one

one, I think we're noteworthy

point. I did have the

opportunity to drive a 991.2

with rear axle steering.

That generation offered it.

And I did find it to be

far less invasive

than it was on the 992.

And so I don't know what changed.

I don't care to explore that,

but I will say that, you know,

it's one of these where depending

on what you're looking for, like

I would really try hard to go

experience it, test drive one

with it before just jumping

on it.

Yeah, especially with or

without. So we're both

no for that.

Yeah, I'm not hell no.

I'm like experienced

it kind of cool, not in the

future. Not worth it.

How about

you know what? A lot of times

I'll give you a call and you're

driving in your car and you

have the glass sunroof

open.

And

and I took so much shit

for optioning my tea with

that glass roof.

I missed about it in many, many

videos. Yeah.

Sorry to cut you off. Finish

your point and I'll tell you

exactly why.

No, no, I want you to tell me

why you ordered it because I'm

curious because I think you

at least then you were a pro

having a big sunroof in your 9

11.

Man, I.

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On the tee, I racked up a lot

of options and maybe I

over-spec the thing.

But that said, it was maybe

my one and only chance to build

my own car and go through that

exciting experience.

And so I added the options

that I want as a user.

The things that are important

to me or things that I wanted

to try.

And I included a glass roof

on that tee.

Now, for people out there

that don't understand the

Carrera tee trim level,

it's one notch above the base

Carrera.

And the idea is you're getting

some pseudo-performance bits.

It has a very driving focus

ethos to it.

It's like, you know, they say

that the correct spirit

of the car is just to have

like bare-bones options

that really only lend

themselves to a kind of a

visceral, if that even would

work, that term for 992.

Or 991.2.

Right.

And so I elected to put a

glass roof on mine because

quite frankly, I find it to be

very fun, entertaining,

therapeutic, relaxing,

what have you to have my roof

open as much as I can

as long as the sun's not

beating down too much

or it's raining.

And especially like, you know,

running, you know, back roads,

back country roads,

I just like to have the windows

down and the roof open.

Many, many people said

you're an idiot.

And this is all in the

comments under my videos.

Like, you're an idiot.

You don't know what you're

doing.

You, you know, option the car

with a feature that adds weight

to the roof, you know, which

is which was a no-no with that

car, right?

You want to not to add an

additional weight.

So I suspect

that and I can't know this,

I hate generalizations,

but many of these opinions

were likely formed by virtue

of watching the Carrera T

review videos, which

universally like just said,

what a great car this was.

And this is exactly how you

want to option it.

And I think you had a lot

of internet forum, you know,

keyboard warriors weighing in

with maybe

like uninformed opinions.

Like they weren't wrong.

It was contra to the ethos of

the car, but as a user man,

I like a glass roof.

Yeah, I think part of the

didn't the Carrera T have

like thinner glass windows

or something like they

but maybe save like two pounds.

I have no I don't all of the

weight, the weight savings

were so miniscule.

Anyways, it was a marketing

thing, man.

I mean, in my view, it was

not going to be meaningful.

And at one point they

I don't know.

I did it's been a while.

I mean, my memory sucks.

And I'm not great with numbers,

but I looked at the weight

difference.

Finally, I was like, OK, what

is the glass roof way versus

fricking carbon fiber?

And it was like, I'll make it up.

I mean, somebody's going to say

I'm wrong in the comments

because I probably am.

But like five pounds or

something nominal that like

maybe even 20 like who cares

kind of weight.

It was 20 pounds.

Well, it's up so high from

your son of gravity.

You're not going to be able to

go around the corners.

Yeah, it's going to cause the car

to roll and ultimately spin.

That's right.

That's the famous thing

from Porsche is

was it was a Walter Roll

or any prudinger said,

you know, they every time

a GT car comes out, they want us

to shave off more weight.

But what he likes to say

to the drivers, why don't you

shave off 20 pounds and tell me

how easy that is type of thing.

Yeah, so so at the end of the

day, I guess to put a bow on

this one, I'm a huge fan

of it and I would have it

on every car that's appropriate,

which is funny because it's the

sun is out a lot more down by

you and beaten down a lot

more by you.

So to have a glass roof, I

would feel would make the cabin

a little bit warmer.

I'm not a big fan.

Well, I think if you're going

to do a coupe, I don't ever

use a sunroof.

Most of my cars have had them

for some reason, just because

I usually buy pre-owned.

But I never find myself

opening them because when

I'm at speed, they're

loud and it's annoying.

And so tunes, brother, hook

up your exhaust, make it just

the right decibel level, turn

up the tunes and roll.

So for that reason, it's why

a lot of my Porsches that I've

owned have been convertibles.

And I take it one step

further. If you're going to

have open air, you want to

enjoy the the atmosphere

and your surroundings and crank

up those tunes.

I drive, I roll with the top

down. And especially in the

911s and the boxters post,

I don't know, maybe 2012,

the convertible roofs have

mirrored the coupes in terms of

shape and silhouette.

And they've been

indistinguishable from a

distance. You know, like if

you had a black car that was

a convertible, you'd be

hard-pressed at 50 yards to

tell if that was a convertible

or not. So the earlier cars

I don't think looked as good

with convertible roofs.

If you were going to

appreciate them from an

aesthetic point of view.

Well, I'll make two more points

about this. Number one, you

know, and you guys have

beautiful fall up there too.

Autumn leaves are turning.

It's a nice cool day, but not

too cold. Like, I mean, we

have that too. And it's just

like no better feeling than

one of those days with the

with the sunroof open. That

said, I've had I'm trying

to think I've had three,

three sunroof cables break

like with the roof open. And

that sucks. So on 2993s, it

gave way. And then on one of my

three twos, it gave way. So I

mean, that's the plus and minus,

especially with the older cars

because, you know, it's not, I

guess you can unzip the

headliner and access it, but

you got to find somebody who's

willing to do it. And then

inevitably, they'll like leave

greasy fingerprints on the

headliner, which I'm really

getting in the weeds. But

anyway, the repairs are

likely necessary on the older

cars. And you don't know

when it was last done. And so

it becomes not fun when the roof

gets stuck open and you're

somewhere like where you can't

like just go throw it in the

garage until you can take it to

the shop. Oh, I think you might

be talking to yourself about a

center of smoothing forward on

older cars. Well, this is good.

Well, my 997.2, like 83,000

miles, the car has has it. And

I, you know, I'll open it

very infrequently because I'm

like, dude, I'm looking around

like, how would they repair

this? It would probably get

very expensive. It seems to

be going a little slower than

it should. I wonder if the

motor's burning out listening

for noises. Yeah. So the the

993, I want to say, I can't

remember if it was metal or

plastic gears Porsche on the

rotometers and in their sunroof

gearing use plastic gears a

lot. I actually had that, you

know, not to go too deep in the

weeds myself, but I've

replaced the gearing in a 993

roof. I've opened that up and

pulled it out and got a

refurbished one. And it's a

pain in the butt. So give me

a slick top and I'm good. But

here's a bigger question for

you will. Are you a fan of

pulling up to a red light and

having your 911 shut off on

you until you get back on the

gas? So the advanced driver

assistance systems ADAS, which

is now mandatory in Europe on

all newer 911s that every time

you turn the car on, it's

on and you have to deactivate

it every single time you turn

the car on. And optional going

back, gosh, I think my O-13

Cayenne has it, but that's

switchable that if you shut

it off, it stays off. What's

your take on that? Worth the

gas mileage savings?

I think they show that it's

really like inconsequential.

I mean, this is just more big

government kind of deal

telling, you know, with

emissions and stuff. I mean,

Derek, look, I have had cars

non Porsches that do that.

I find it to be mildly

annoying. I don't understand

like, isn't that going to

destroy whatever the hell the

starter mechanism is to do it

that many times over and above

just starting and stopping

the car naturally, like when

you fire it up. I don't know

those are the thoughts that I

have. I know that with my 991.2

that has that feature, every

time I get in the car, now

it's like almost like

subconsciously. I don't even

realize I'm doing it. I put

the car in sport, which

disables at least the, you

know, the auto start stop. So

not an issue for me. Hate is

maybe a little bit too strong

of a word, but disdain is my

thinking on any of these kind

of intrusive quote, unquote

driver aids. When it comes to

start stop for me, I roll

right past disdain and I am

firmly in hate. I think

they're annoying. You pull up

to a stoplight and it shuts

off, but then the lights

already turn green and then

you have that pause as the

car restarts and you get

going and there's been a

couple of times where

someone behind me has started

to go thinking I was going

to go, but the car won't

let me. Also, I believe that

some of the newer ones on

those start stop, it actually

kind of interrupts the

steering. And so you have to

be careful that if you're

coming to a stop and the

engine shuts off, that the

steering isn't affected too.

So there are other pieces

of ADAS that I think are

good. Like, hey, listen,

our 911s are small. You're

parked in a forest of

giant SUVs in a parking

lot and you're backing

out. I do like the kind of

the pedestrian stuff that

will let you know if a car is

coming by or a person's

walking as you're backing

up. I think that stuff's

great. I travel long

distances and sometimes if

you do just want to chill,

adaptive cruise control is

pretty cool. But I think

that kind of goes against

the whole reason of having

a 911. If you were going

to get a Panamera or a

Macan or a Cayenne or

something like that, I

think adaptive cruise

control lean assist all

day. Yeah, I mean, I

don't know. I hear there's

some convenience things

like, hey, I don't want to

go back out in front of

somebody in a parking lot and

smash the back end of the

911. I mean, I have a

rear view camera on my

2017 and that seems to be

sufficient. I mean, I'm on

more modern cars. Like, you

know, you do get the beeping

if it detects a car coming

or somebody walking behind

you. So I can't deny that

that's convenient. But I

just I don't like I don't

like when the car and

admittedly, I don't have

experience with pushes that

have all this stuff. Like

first of all, for me, the

adaptive cruise control and

maybe I'm obnoxious and

slows you down way too far

away from the car in front

of you. I know you can adjust

the the distance so that

you do slow down closer,

but it's still way too far

for me. I got to get them out

of my way. And if they can't

see me up on their ass

with their in their side

of your mirrors as I weave

behind them,

you're not in their back

seat. They don't know how

to get over. That's it. And

then, you know, secondly,

there's just certain things

that happen. I mean, I

had a suburban non-Porsche.

But this was back in the

day when that automatic

braking stuff was was

fresh and imprecise. But

one time I had a slam on the

brakes for relatively no

reason. And it scared the

hell out of me. And so I just

think that when a car starts

to do things that that you

aren't necessarily anticipating,

I don't I don't think it's

great.

And any system can fail for

sure. I have been in a

situation in a non-Porsche

where I reached down to

get something that fell on

the ground and the

automatic braking system

kicked in and saved me

from rear-ending a car

that had stopped very

short very quickly without a

blinker. So I mean, it

is what it is. I just

Eric,

I'm gonna come up there and

give you some driving lists,

man. First of all, you can't

take speed bumps at speed.

You can't. Now you're talking

about like running into people

because you're screwing

around on the floorboard of

the car. Like, what's up, man?

It turns out I'm a car guy

that can't drive. Well, I

mean, I'm glad that this is

more of a learning session

for me. But here's something

I think is completely almost

100% not worth it is the

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It does give you sport plus.

I think Porsche first came out

with the chrono and they're

like, oh, this is so great.

It's a lap timer clock.

It sits on your dash.

It's this beautiful clock

that you can you can track

your laps, you know, going

around as you're at a track

day, which never happens,

not once, ever, ever.

And so then what they did is

they tied in. Well, it'll

give you a little more

horsepower. It'll make it a

little bit more, you know,

responsive when you have

your sport chrono and you

put this push the sport plus

button. The only thing I

do like about sport chrono

is that on manual cars,

it gives you the auto blip,

which is maybe not for all

purists, but I do like an

auto blip on on cars

kind of driving around.

But in general, the sport

chrono package, not a huge

fan in my mind, not worth

the money.

OK.

I don't know. I took like four

notes down as you were

talking.

I mean, I hate to say it,

but I do like the the wart

on the dash. I like the

clock. I think it adds a

little bit of a richer

look to it.

So I I I think I'm not going to

say that's 100 percent worth

it, but I do really like how it

looks.

The

second piece I'd say is it's

about resale, man.

It's kind of like people don't

know why they want it, but they

want it.

And if you don't have it, I

think it it puts a little

drag on your deal.

I think so. I mean, so I've

been told by a friend in the

business like they're

they're taking trades in on

time.

And

it's a problem not to have sport

chrono. I've asked I've run cars

by him and I was looking at that

didn't have it. He's like, yeah,

you don't want that. It's going to

it's just not that people

want sport chrono.

So there's that.

I love the enhanced

throttle response that comes in

the sport mode.

I mean, it just feels a little

bit more eager.

That's a sport.

It's sport plus.

Yeah, sport plus.

But I do I do like that.

Now that said, I mean, you

need to you need to be able

to feather the gas with that

because it will kind of get a

little bit unwieldy

when the the throttle is very

sharp. And maybe you're at

you're not that great with

modulating your foot on the gas.

In other words, you'll kind of

create a herky jerky driving

experience. Now the last thing

I love auto blip

in my cars that have it.

It is on all the time.

And you know, I feel like maybe

I'm not an imposter because I

have two cars that don't have

it. And so you got it.

You got a rev match if that's

what you're trying to do. So my

993 and my 997.2

neither of those have it, but my

GT4 and my 991.2 have it.

And, you know, I love it.

There's just something great

about that precise match.

And then when you are ripping

in twisties, you can downshift

mid-curve and it does not upset

the car. So I like it.

You know, it's it's fun.

Yep. It is a feature that

when it's not there or if it's

not on, I miss it.

I can definitely see people who

are getting a PDK want

the sport chrono package

because it does unlock

a faster shifting algorithm

with the PDK and it literally

makes the car faster.

I'm not a huge fan of it for the

manual cars that I've owned.

It's let me just put it this way.

It's not a deal breaker for me.

You know, my my my box

drought side doesn't have

doesn't have that.

And I don't miss it at all.

And as a matter of fact,

I think for a manual car,

maybe someone's looking for

more of a pure experience.

You have a sport button, you

know, do you want?

Do you want to even touch your

throttle with a with a stick?

I don't know. It's just not for me.

Yeah, I mean, I would agree with

your comments about more of a

pure natural driving experience

because my boxer does not clearly

have it. And yeah, maybe

requires it requires more skill

without the auto blip.

I'll just say that to really get

that rev match right and keep the

car. All right.

So that's a column and Derek can

drive ding.

All right. Moving on talking about

resale value.

PCCB's Horsha composite

brakes. Those are the carbon

brakes for those of you out there

that don't know what the PCCB's

are.

Well, what's your take?

I have never owned a car with

them. I would love to own a car

with them. I think it is bragging

rights. I think the practical

and you can correct me if I'm

wrong. But basically, these are

lifetime breaks, so you don't

have to worry about replacing

pads and that kind of thing.

I guess when you finally do,

it's crazy money, but it's

got to be a lot of high

mileage with track use.

I love the yellow.

I think on the right color, it's

pretty, it's pretty amazing.

And again, depending on the

color, I think it really sets

it off.

Do they throw a lot of dust or

is there no dust?

They can be noisy.

I know that they can be very

noisy. I don't think the pads

are lifetime. I think the rotors

are considered to last a long

time. Really?

We need to we need to reach

that research that I thought it

was I don't have to touch

anything for probably as long

as I own the car.

OK, all right, man.

Well, I stand corrected.

Either way, I think they're cool

to look at, but I don't see the

need for them practically speaking

on street.

It's bragging rights and it's a

cool look.

I don't I don't doubt that they

look cool. I think with a lot of

models of Porsche, the dealers

definitely try to push you to

get them because people look

for them, especially with the

GT cars. They feel like it's

mandatory.

I know people buy them and then

take them off and put steel

rotors on and save them,

which I think is ridiculous.

I am not a huge fan of them.

I understand that they are

superior brakes.

The rotors sometimes have taken

care of can last the lifetime of

the car.

But when they do go, they're

super duper expensive.

If they crack or if there's

any issues, you're in really

tough shape with them.

They are. They can be very

noisy over time.

And so living with them

sometimes isn't always great.

And Porsche's breaking system

in my mind is so goodwill

that I think when it comes to

steel brakes, they just do a

fantastic job.

So not a huge fan on this

side.

I can understand the pull if

you're at the track all the

time, though, that's different.

I'm just talking about street

tribe. We agree.

We agree, my friend.

So we covered some.

We have more. Maybe we'll do

another episode at another

time with a couple more of

people like this down on the

comments.

Add in what you folks think

and if you have any opinions

of what we talked about today,

we'd love to know.

But outside of that, man, take

it easy.

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