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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy.
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I don't really understand how we're here.
02:22
Are we living in a simulation?
02:26
We head to Abu Dhabi, a three-way fight, and Max Verstappen is the closest challenger to
02:33
Lando Norris, 12 points behind.
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Tommy, how the hell are we here?
02:42
How the hell are we here?
02:43
Because of a certain team in Orange or Papaya, whichever way you want to judge it, basically
02:52
doing everything they can to make sure that this goes down to the wire when they should
02:58
have won this championship.
03:00
Well, and we thought they had won this championship by the summer break.
03:04
It should have been an inevitability that it was between Norris and Piastri.
03:09
And there's no way they could possibly lose it.
03:10
They were getting one twos for fun in the middle of the season.
03:14
If you'd have said at that point when they got, I think it was like four straight
03:17
one twos that we'd be here and it would be Max Verstappen would be 12 points behind after
03:24
winning both races, like the previous two races, like what on earth is happening?
03:30
It's insane how it's just kept going on and on.
03:34
It just keeps going on and on.
03:36
So, of course, today we're going to chat all about the Katar Grand Prix, which was
03:40
an absolute stinker, but we have lots of things to talk about all the same.
03:45
And I'm sure you're very excited for us to get into that.
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A quick shout out to our wonderful patrons who'll be getting extra chat, which once
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again, same as Las Vegas, you're getting some extra sauce at the end of this and
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every race review this season.
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And what a bizarre thing to speak about.
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And also as well, tickets are still available for Manchester and Dublin.
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There's a few tickets left in Dublin if you want to see us in just over a week's
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time where the show keeps evolving.
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And we literally not going to finish it, basically be doing that on the
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plane because we don't know who's won the title yet.
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Tommy's not flying to Manchester, by the way, he's flying to Dublin.
04:22
He's not that much of a diva.
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I know you're here for one thing and I've put it as my most memorable
04:30
moment, which is McLaren strategy fumble.
04:36
I am absolutely convinced that McLaren are a huge fan of the of the P1 podcast.
04:45
They they or that they want storyline after storyline after storyline in a season
04:51
which has not had the most amazing races, if we're being completely honest.
04:57
The championship picture has always been quite interesting.
05:00
We've not had many bangers.
05:01
So what McLaren thought they'd do is let's let's you know, let's move the attention
05:06
away from Qatar being the worst Grand Prix potentially on the calendar to strategy errors.
05:12
I joked at the start of the watch along how are McLaren going to f this one up
05:17
then as a joke, obviously nodding to Las Vegas where they got double DSQ'd.
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And this is I know we have the benefit of hindsight, but this is a decision
05:29
I have mulled upon a little bit and thought and it's got worse every time
05:33
I've thought about it.
05:34
Yeah, I am absolutely bewildered that they did not pit both drivers.
05:41
But I'm genuinely shocked that the one thing that everyone was speaking about
05:47
was, of course, the 25 lap maximum stint on the tires and also the lap
05:52
window of when a safety car might happen.
05:55
Of course, lap it was 57 laps.
05:57
So lap seven, the safety car came out, which is the prime moment to then get
06:03
essentially a free pit stop to then have one more 25 laps later and it's done.
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McLaren did not pit either of their drivers.
06:11
And the reason Andrea Stella said was that they didn't know if everyone
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else will pit behind. Of course, they're going to pit behind.
06:19
Why would they not pit behind?
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It's a free pit stop.
06:23
They have to pit twice.
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It is absolutely outrageous that they didn't stop either of their drivers.
06:30
I would understand to some degree, and this is where we'll get into it a little
06:34
bit later as well, Tommy, of splitting and going with Lando in and Oscar out.
06:40
But there are plenty of theories as to why they didn't split the strategies.
06:44
They just gave the race to Max Verstappen in that moment.
06:47
They did. It was a gift.
06:49
It was if you thought that Vegas was a gift for Max,
06:54
they've given him another one right now with a lovely little bow on it as well.
06:59
Because they had that race won so easily.
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You know, they were the fastest package by a mile.
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We saw it in the sprint, you know, Max finished fourth in the sprint race
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and Oscar won easily and was going to win easily again.
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They were so quick, they, you know, we've not had any kind of
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it's just it absolutely insane scenario.
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The only way they could have lost it, we said it weirdly at the watch
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long, you said, have McLaren, could McLaren like fumble this?
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And I said the only way it go McLaren out winning this is if they do
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something themselves, and that is exactly what happened.
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The decision to not pit was an absolutely insane one when the scenario
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was that basically like that there was the mandatory stops
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because of the tire wear and the worry about the tires exploding again.
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So basically a safety car that should have been the first thing of like
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if there's a safety car near the start, you have to pit like a hundred percent.
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And I know there's the worry and this is their excuse that like
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if Oscar Piastri goes in and everyone else stays out, he looks like an idiot.
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But they were never going to do that because it was a free pit stop.
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It was free and it's a twenty six second time as well.
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It's the difference of the fact that if this was a normal race,
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where the 25 lap maximum stint length wasn't involved,
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yes, they should stay out.
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Yeah, yeah, a hundred percent.
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It's their seven lap old mediums and I don't think many people would pit.
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But it's not that's not what we had in front of us.
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And McLaren just gave a free pit stop to the entire field.
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Let's get into a question because I am just as you can quite clearly tell
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are utterly bamboozled as to what has gone on today.
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Question from Googson 98.
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Did McLaren decide not to pit both drivers during the safety car
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to protect Norris from losing places in the double stack?
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There is no other reason for it.
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I don't know where I sit on this one because I think that is
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a crazy theory to think that somehow benefiting Lando
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because Lando himself was like, I want to pit.
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And they said, obviously, like, no, we're staying out.
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This is fine when obviously it clearly wasn't.
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And Lando is fortunate.
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He wanted to pit or did he question it?
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I think he was like, we should have pitted with the staff.
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And I'm sure there's a radio that said something along the way.
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I saw that was that was a an after.
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After like, why have we done this?
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I want to box on a box and they say no, stay out.
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Once you've seen everyone out.
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But but regardless, like, you know, if they really wanted to
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favor Lando, that have pitted Lando and made sure he'd stayed with Max.
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And if McLaren are really this team that it's all about Lando,
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which I don't think they are as much.
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We've had this conversation many times that, that, you know,
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we all know where's like Brown's allegiance is lie.
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But they're not there.
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This is arguably the job.
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Yeah, arguably, this is why they're in this situation
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because they can't decide on picking a driver.
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And I don't I don't think that that Piastri
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they've done it to help Norris in any way.
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They've just completely missed it here.
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They've just completely screwed it up by not not pitting them
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and immediately realized that it's the wrong decision,
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even though, yeah, on the radio, they kind of played it off to be like,
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no, it's still fine.
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But I mean, Lando Norris in particular will be counting as lucky stars
10:39
that Fernando Alonso wasn't that wasn't a little bit quicker
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because he would have ended up in an even bigger train.
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And we saw how hard it was to pass for him because I truly believe
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McLaren was set up to lead from the front.
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They didn't think about you could tell because they had DRS on Antonelli
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and they didn't even gain on him.
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They were just they weren't thinking about passing.
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They didn't serve their car for straight line speed or anything.
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And yeah, it's an insane situation.
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But I don't think it was it was there to protect Norris at all.
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Now, I don't think they I'm in complete agreement
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that I don't think they were concerned about the double stack
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causing Lando to lose positions.
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I genuinely believe they thought that was the correct decision to stay out.
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I know that some people will think, you know, is it the fairness side
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of things as well, the papaya rules, et cetera, et cetera?
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I'm I'm torn on that one.
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I don't know where I sit with, you know, same like they worry about
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it looking really bad if Oscar got screwed.
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Yeah, yeah, exactly that.
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I I I genuinely think this is just a McLaren disaster, as opposed to fairness.
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I think I think I lean slightly more in that camp.
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I really don't understand why they decided to stay out.
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It made no sense, as I've made quite clear with with my point previously.
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And and they've, as you say, they were so lucky
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to not get into a seven or eight car long train that Alonso was was was causing.
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Well, for at least for Lando, who narrowly with an amazing pit stop
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came out came out ahead of clutch head of them and he couldn't go any further
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laps because it was at his 25 lap maximum stint length.
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Right, let's get into another question.
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P1 Patriot member, the Pain Train 84.
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They've won the constructors by miles,
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but are McLaren about to potentially pull off the biggest bottle job of all time?
12:32
That genuinely feels like a fever dream that we're talking about this,
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that Lando is leading Max by 12 points.
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When you think about the start, of course, Max did get ahead of Lando at the start
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and you thought, all right, he's going to gain three points on Lando
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and he'll be 22 behind going into Abu Dhabi.
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And Oscar would have been the closest challenger.
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McLaren, you know, this this strategy call is one of the worst
12:53
I can remember for a very long time.
12:57
And it doesn't instill me with confidence that they will
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win this driver's championship in Abu Dhabi.
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The pressure is clearly getting to them.
13:08
You know, a baffling call aside, they've made other errors as well.
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Like this driver's championship should be sewn up.
13:13
We all know that this is look at the amount of points
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they've got in the constructors.
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Their car is the best car and has been for the majority of the season.
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We go to Abu Dhabi, where I've put a scenario out on my Twitter,
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which could absolutely happen where you've got Max leading
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Oscar second, George third, Lando fourth.
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We then enter an entirely different realm of what do McLaren do
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in that situation if they've been talking about fairness
13:39
and they don't care if they lose the drivers.
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It's all about the driver.
13:43
You know, they think we can lose it to Max.
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But that is a genuine scenario that could happen.
13:51
And then McLaren have this entire discussion
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that they have to make as well, live on Team Radio
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that we'll all be listening to of pleading Oscar to slow down
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potentially to get Lando into a championship winning position.
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And that should not.
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None of this should be happening.
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None of this should be happening.
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None of this should be happening.
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The fact that we're even discussing this as a scenario
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in the final race is baffling McLaren.
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Yeah, they have done a phenomenal job at building a car.
14:19
Hats off to the people at that team that have created a car
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to dominate in the constructors, but they are not a championship
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winning team in the strategy department and in making big decisions.
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Should it have Red Bull created a similar package across the year?
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Max would have won this title with two, three races to go.
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I know Max has said that and be like, you know, if we were in the situation
14:41
and people would be like, it's a bit of trash talking.
14:44
But he's absolutely right, because they shouldn't be in this situation at all.
14:50
He made a cheeky comment again now, just to Sky Sports, where they said,
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oh, you said it was a gift after what happened in Vegas.
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And Max went and another one today.
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And it's absolutely right.
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The only reason Max is in this title this close is because of the errors
15:09
that they've made, you know, don't get me wrong.
15:11
He's been absolutely brilliant.
15:12
And I was playing one of the best comebacks and most amazing
15:17
championship campaigns for the machinery that he has.
15:21
Because it's not been a race winning car for a lot of the season.
15:27
And yet, he now, you know, is in the championship hunt
15:32
and they've all got seven wins between them.
15:34
That should absolutely not be the case at all.
15:38
And, you know, is it the biggest bottle job of all time if they lose it?
15:43
It's arguably even worse.
15:45
And I can't believe we're saying this, even worse than 2007
15:50
when they lost it with Lewis Hamilton, where basically
15:55
he had the smallest number of points to get it.
15:59
And then equally Fernando Alonso could have could have won it as well.
16:02
And they ended up losing with both cars, which was so bad.
16:06
The conspiracy theories are still that they threw the title on purpose
16:09
because of Spygate and then weren't allowed to win it and stuff.
16:12
That's how bad it was.
16:14
And arguably, this is even worse because
16:17
Lando Norris had the championship one after Brazil.
16:21
He'd beaten Max Estapa and he'd won the race again.
16:23
In Mexico, you thought, right, it's a big struggle for Max now.
16:26
Brazil, he won the race, Max was third.
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All he's had to do is score the smallest number of points.
16:32
And this isn't on Lando.
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And instead, he has obviously lost the 18 points from second place.
16:40
And today, fumbled a potential, like, weirdly for Lando,
16:44
he would probably have been like P3, maybe P2, if he'd have overtaken.
16:47
I don't know if he would with the in terms of like how difficult it was to pass.
16:52
But they are just throwing points down the toilet at the end with these big errors.
16:58
And the pessimist in me will be like,
17:03
oh, like it's still in Lando's hands, it's still a massive opportunity.
17:07
But the evidence is there now that McLaren are pooping their pants at this situation
17:13
to put it lightly and have made two absolutely enormous errors
17:21
in the last two races to basically put Max a step in in a shot of winning the world title.
17:28
They have this mistake they've made this weekend.
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They've lost to a Williams with Lando Norris.
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In a car that should have won the race by 20 seconds, I reckon.
17:40
We'll get on to Carlos later, because Carlos, phenomenal drive in a Williams.
17:44
He's, again, like another podium, ridiculous.
17:47
Nothing, I don't want to take anything away from Carlos.
17:50
But he is in a tractor compared to that McLaren.
17:52
And McLaren have given have given Carlos a podium and put Lando in P4.
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Should have been P5 even without Kimmy's mistake on the penultimate lap,
18:04
which we'll get into.
18:05
But it's just insane.
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But for me, obviously, I'm very excited because we get a championship decider, right?
18:13
This is what I've been hoping for this entire time.
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And McLaren have gone, here you go, guys, thank you so much.
18:19
We'll give you some content for the final one.
18:20
I just want to bring up a point here that I've just read on Twitter,
18:24
that we were mentioning about the whole double stack and how you play it.
18:28
And is it favoring whoever?
18:30
And, you know, we've had these thoughts that you said as well.
18:34
And it's in the back of my mind that is this like McLaren in a weird way,
18:37
like trying to be so fair that they've done it with them both.
18:41
Because Callum F1 Mech on Twitter, a former Red Bull employee,
18:47
put option one, you risk the double stop.
18:49
Yes, Lando is likely compromised, but easily has the pace to challenge
18:53
for at least P2 and Oscar wins the race easily.
18:56
Option two, you don't want to risk the double stop.
18:59
So you split the strategies.
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It's going to work for one driver, but at least you're still in control of the race.
19:04
Option three, whatever McLaren just did.
19:09
Like they had the race in their hands with two cars
19:13
and they managed to both lose it.
19:16
I just can't believe they wouldn't have played out that scenario
19:18
in there when they're prepping for the race of like, OK, we're at the front.
19:23
A safety car comes out when we can get into that free pit stop window.
19:28
And clearly how have they sat down and they would have spoken about it.
19:32
It's not like this is, oh, oh, my God, what do we do?
19:35
We've not spoken about it.
19:35
Surely they've discussed this as a scenario and they go, yes,
19:40
Absolutely insane, as we know.
19:42
And also as well, Lando was behind Max.
19:45
Do we? Let's not forget.
19:46
It's not like we had the two McLaren's line of stairs.
19:49
So their strategy doesn't make sense.
19:51
Lando follows. He has to.
19:54
All he has to do is match Max's first happen.
19:56
Like it is crazy, like madness from McLaren.
20:00
And Lando knew straight after us as well.
20:02
You know, he said it on the team radio.
20:03
He said, should we not have come in?
20:05
Yes, you should have.
20:06
Yeah, and they're trying to spin it like, oh, well, we get to push now
20:10
Yeah, we have flexibility if we have another safety car,
20:13
which to be fair, right, if there was another safety car,
20:15
yes, McLaren would have more flexibility.
20:17
But that's, that's hoping for another safety car.
20:20
That's not the play.
20:21
Yeah, you don't, you're McLaren.
20:23
You're the fastest team.
20:24
Why are you like planning on another safety car
20:26
to get the advantage back?
20:28
You should always have had the advantage.
20:30
Anyway, yeah, you can tell where we sit on this one.
20:32
Next question, P1 pitch.
20:33
Remember, a good Karen.
20:36
How angry is Oscar going to be
20:39
that the team has shafted him completely
20:41
when he has been flawless all weekend?
20:44
Yeah, I'm good for Oscar.
20:45
Obviously, you know, as a Max fan,
20:47
I'm happy that he's got into the title.
20:50
But that was Oscar's race.
20:53
And particularly with Lando in third place,
20:55
that was Oscar's race to get back into the championship here.
20:59
It would have been 12 points,
21:01
which is still a decent gap, but doable.
21:05
He showed amazing form and you've got to think,
21:07
you know, Abu Dhabi, you should do well there as well,
21:10
based on what we've seen at McLaren,
21:12
but you never know how McLaren
21:13
is going to go with these things
21:15
based on the last two races.
21:17
But you could see and understand
21:19
why he was visibly absolutely fuming at that situation.
21:22
He had the race won.
21:25
He's been on such a poor run
21:27
that he needed to turn his form around
21:30
and Lando to finish, you know, out there
21:33
for him to have a chance.
21:36
It's absolutely getting for him,
21:38
because yeah, like, he needs a miracle.
21:41
Obviously, he's in the championship now,
21:45
but he still would have needed a big ask
21:48
going into the final race,
21:49
but it would have been a lot closer.
21:51
And would have arguably, you know,
21:53
put even more pressure on McLaren
21:54
of what do they do, like picking aside
21:56
and stuff in that situation.
21:59
But I can understand why Oscar was absolutely fuming
22:03
at the end of that race,
22:03
because he was going to win comfortably.
22:07
He was going to win.
22:08
He was absolutely brilliant this weekend.
22:10
Oscar, out of nowhere, fastest in almost every competitive
22:15
session, bar the one, obviously,
22:16
that mattered the most, which was the main race.
22:18
But that was down to McLaren.
22:20
You play out the scenario
22:21
where McLaren get the strategy right
22:23
and they come into the box.
22:24
It finishes Piastri, Verstappen, Norris, let's say.
22:28
A safe realistic bet
22:29
that Norris doesn't manage to catch and pass Verstappen.
22:33
Oscar is now in Max's position,
22:35
12 points behind into the final race,
22:39
and it's all to play for.
22:40
Instead, he's 16 behind and he needs...
22:43
A Lando DNF, basically.
22:45
Yeah, he needs a Lando DNF
22:46
or he needs that crazy scenario with Weber and Alonso
22:48
where they get stuck in traffic in seventh and eighth
22:50
and everything kicks off that way and he wins.
22:53
It's sad for Oscar because I think he knew.
22:55
You know, he said he was speechless after the race.
22:57
I really felt for him because he picked up his form
23:00
when it mattered most, maybe a race or two late,
23:03
but still, to ask the question
23:05
to his teammate going into the final race,
23:07
but now instead, he is a massive outside shot
23:10
for the title and yeah, it just requires even more chaos.
23:14
And sadly, he can't even rely on Ferrari to get involved
23:17
because they're too busy fighting for 13th,
23:20
which we saw this weekend and hopefully
23:22
we don't have to talk about it anymore.
23:24
We've kind of covered the Ferrari disaster class,
23:28
but yes, Oscar, I totally feel for him.
23:31
Question from P1Patreon member Anastasia W.
23:35
Will McLaren finally make a clear last call
23:37
on which driver they're backing next week
23:39
to avoid losing the driver's championship?
23:44
They have committed, and maybe contractually,
23:48
the reason that both drivers are clear
23:51
to fight for the championship.
23:54
My brain then goes into overdrive of when that ends
23:58
because as I sort of mentioned a little bit earlier
24:02
in the podcast, let's say Max is winning
24:05
Oscar's second, George's third, Lando's fourth.
24:07
It stays like that, Max Verstappen is world champion.
24:11
Oscar, I imagine with a few laps to go,
24:14
will get a call of can you help Lando into third place?
24:18
And this is with like a driver in the way as well.
24:20
I genuinely believe McLaren would come over the radio
24:22
with a few laps to go.
24:24
But in Oscar's situation, and Mark Webber,
24:26
I think will instill in him over the next few days
24:28
that the worst thing for Oscar
24:30
is that Lando becomes world champion
24:32
from a power play perspective within McLaren.
24:34
It's a disaster for Oscar.
24:35
We said that last year.
24:38
When he wasn't even in the shot.
24:40
So no, McLaren can't commit.
24:43
They might have to try and commit if, you know,
24:46
S hits the fan in the last few laps
24:48
and Max is on to win the title.
24:52
But I think Oscar is well within his rights to say,
24:54
well, what if Max DNFs?
24:56
What if Lando and Max have a problem in the last few laps?
25:00
What if Max gets disqualified for bankwear at the end?
25:03
Like, there's going to be so many things like that,
25:05
that yeah, like Mark Webber will be, of course,
25:09
saying absolutely not.
25:10
You do not, you know, you do not bow down to Lando
25:14
because you can't afford to do it for your career.
25:17
And also, yeah, an if moment,
25:20
if there's a disqualification,
25:22
like I know it's like an insane scenario,
25:24
but this championship has just been throwing
25:26
absolutely insane scenarios left, right and center.
25:29
I will add as well quickly.
25:30
Andrea Stella, I believe, said after the race
25:33
that they wouldn't do this.
25:34
They wouldn't back either driver
25:36
because both of them are mathematically
25:37
still in the chance of winning the world championship.
25:40
And that is the way it should be.
25:41
Oscar can't be told to move aside
25:45
at the start of the weekend.
25:46
Or the start of the race, like.
25:48
Or the start of the race.
25:49
Because too much can happen.
25:50
The late safety cars, things like that.
25:52
Mate, I cannot wait for next weekend.
25:55
I know that Lando is still the favorite.
25:57
And look, if Lando wins the world championship
26:00
after all this BS, fair play to him.
26:02
Because there has been so many things out of his hands
26:05
that McLaren have let him down,
26:07
especially in the last two weekends.
26:08
Lando should be the world champion
26:10
at the end of this weekend.
26:11
Absolutely, he should.
26:12
I mean, if we count Las Vegas
26:13
and the fact he should have had those points,
26:14
but the plank and, you know, that's not down to him.
26:16
The plank, the DNF, and then bought loads of things.
26:18
But I am so, as a Formula One fan,
26:21
that is obviously neutral to this scenario
26:22
and I just wanna see a great battle.
26:25
Charlotte Clair sadly mathematically
26:26
out of the world championship fight
26:27
for those of you that didn't know.
26:29
I am so excited to see just how every part
26:32
of the next weekend plays out.
26:34
Qualifying, track limits, mistakes, Q1, Q2.
26:38
Anything can happen with the three title rivals
26:41
that can open it up once again.
26:43
This is, as I want to repeat,
26:45
not a scenario we should be talking about McLaren,
26:48
but we are and I thank you for it
26:50
because it's gonna make us have
26:52
a three-way title decider in Abu Dhabi
26:55
and I just cannot wait for it.
26:58
After this podcast, I urge everyone to go listen
27:01
to our prediction we did,
27:04
where we predicted the entire,
27:06
we did the entire championship table.
27:08
And both of us, obviously this, you know,
27:10
we're about to find out whether this is
27:12
the most beautifully aged prediction,
27:14
but even if it's not, it's come incredibly close.
27:17
That both of us said, yes, Max Verstappen,
27:20
at the start of the year,
27:21
he's driving the fourth best car,
27:23
he shouldn't be able to do it.
27:26
And yet, McLaren having two drivers
27:28
going for the championship,
27:30
the way they wanna be fair all the time,
27:32
the way McLaren, unfortunately for them,
27:34
are known to make errors here and there.
27:38
We both said Max Verstappen to win the championship.
27:41
And McLaren, despite, and I think we both even said,
27:44
McLaren have the best car, but I'm going for Max
27:46
because they will take points off each other
27:48
and they could ultimately fall short.
27:51
Can you imagine if that prediction comes in,
27:53
because I certainly did not expect it to come at any point,
27:58
basically after the first three races,
28:00
because it's like, oh, well, McLaren are absolutely clear.
28:02
There's no chance there.
28:04
And this is exactly like how the situation has paid out.
28:07
Like Max himself has made no kind of bones about it,
28:12
basically saying, you know, like,
28:13
I am only in this title
28:15
because McLaren are gifting it to me.
28:18
And it is one more, I mean, he needs one more.
28:21
Yeah, just one more, just before Christmas,
28:23
that would be delightful.
28:25
And honestly, be prepared for Tom Bellingham on the podcast
28:29
if Max Verstappen is world champion at the end of Abu Dhabi.
28:32
And be prepared for him on the watch long,
28:33
because I think you'll reckon he's muted for most of it,
28:35
but he will in fact just be a mess.
28:41
This is what we live for, right,
28:42
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28:44
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Let's go to your most memorable moment
34:15
as we are still very much locked in
34:17
with championship moments, aren't we?
34:20
Okay, my most memorable moment was
34:25
losing the position on the final...
34:29
Like, right near the end.
34:31
Was it the final lap?
34:33
It's such a blur now, of course.
34:37
a crazy tense end to the race.
34:41
What an insane scenario that
34:43
and we'll talk about this later
34:45
on paper was like the worst race of all time
34:48
and would have been without this McLaren strategy.
34:54
There wasn't much overtaking or anything at all.
34:59
And when you had Carlos
35:05
you knew it was crucial for the extra points
35:07
to close in that championship.
35:09
Because we did think
35:11
our Lando's going to finish third easily here
35:15
when he ended up behind Antonelli
35:17
and he could not pass him,
35:19
he was not gaining with the DRS
35:21
which was quite a shock, has to be said.
35:23
I thought he'd breeze past him and be fine
35:25
but as we said earlier, McLaren clearly
35:27
not setting up the car
35:29
for a straight line speed
35:31
because they thought they were going to be clear.
35:33
And then at one point
35:35
Carlos was dropping back
35:37
and Lando is going to finish third here
35:41
desperately trying to hang on
35:43
but then that one mistake
35:47
allows Lando to finish third
35:51
and still clinched the title
35:53
and had it not been that the way
35:55
we could have had a situation
35:57
where it was the Stappen,
35:59
Piastri Norris and Max Wins the title
36:01
although arguably we then have that scenario again
36:07
I just think this title
36:09
and my main kind of memorable moment
36:13
little moments like this
36:15
which I don't think it should have been a case where
36:17
the championship was as close as we've said
36:19
all through the start of this podcast
36:21
but little moments everywhere in this championship
36:23
you're going to be looking back
36:25
whatever happens of like there's this
36:27
and there's this and there's this
36:29
because everyone immediately was like
36:33
a crucial moment in the championship
36:35
Yeah exactly, every moment
36:37
we've had over the season doesn't feel that big
36:39
until we get to the end of the season
36:41
and we have a three-way fight
36:43
for the world championship
36:45
Spain comes to mind Tommy
36:47
I'll do that after Abu Dhabi
36:49
if Max loses the title
36:51
by nine or less points
36:53
that will be quite the discussion
36:55
I don't think we'll be over it though
36:57
somehow if we get into a few points
36:59
I say I'm over it now
37:01
when it happens by the way it's looking
37:05
because he's already been asked it hasn't he Max
37:07
but there's so many
37:09
title scenarios isn't there
37:11
about how things are
37:13
going and what you'll look back on
37:17
we're all looking at the
37:19
Max Verstappen scenario of course
37:23
Max Verstappen glasses of like can he
37:29
had Oscar have won that
37:31
race and it got to 12 points
37:33
we'd be talking about the six-point
37:35
swing that happened in Monza
37:37
and that would have meant that they would have been one too
37:39
Oscar would have won the championship
37:41
there are so many scenarios
37:45
going to play out here and
37:47
whoever ends up losing
37:49
we can look back on
37:51
at the end of the day like
37:55
misses out on the title
37:57
you'll look back at
37:59
you will of course look back at
38:01
Spain and got to think like that's points down
38:03
the drain there were other
38:05
moments where they cost it Brazil but of course
38:07
that one is a moment that just didn't need to
38:13
doesn't win the title
38:17
thrown down the drain the DNF
38:21
obviously the last two rounds as well
38:25
60 points through like this
38:27
through just McLaren stuff
38:31
a crazy scenario and then of course
38:33
as we mentioned Oscar
38:35
these moments where
38:37
he had to give up that position to Lando
38:39
and things like that
38:41
less moments I think for Oscar though if you look at
38:43
the entire season it's more like
38:45
amazing run of 15 races
38:47
if it's that then of course
38:49
get an amazing 15 or so races
38:51
and then he just didn't have pace
38:53
it's very black and white I think
38:55
with Oscar season whereas a lot
38:57
more variables I'd say with Lando
39:01
question from Mr. Trevor Top
39:03
if Max wins the drivers
39:05
championship it will be because of
39:07
McLaren's fumbling if Max loses
39:09
the championship it will be because
39:11
of Kimmy Antonelli would this be
39:15
that's harsh that's very harsh you can't
39:17
say it's because of Kimmy Antonelli
39:19
that Max would have lost the championship
39:21
it's because of Red Bull not making a car
39:23
that could allow him to challenge
39:25
consistently against the McLaren's
39:27
of course Kimmy Antonelli you know
39:29
there's the talk of of course what happened
39:31
in this race in Qatar but also
39:33
in Austria as well where Antonelli
39:35
unfortunately took out Max and cost him
39:37
a podium at minimum
39:39
that's not a fair assessment
39:41
though because that is the reason why
39:43
I separate for example Spain
39:45
and other things is because Spain
39:47
was an actual moment of rage
39:49
for Max Verstappen I put that
39:51
in a box it's very different
39:53
because it is unique
39:55
and it is something that Max
39:57
had in his hands and could have
39:59
dealt with it differently
40:01
but back to this question yes I agree
40:03
with the first bit if Max wins the drivers championship
40:05
this is entirely on McLaren
40:07
and I feel for the McLaren
40:09
PR people that have to
40:11
come up with statements of how
40:13
it was a successful season
40:15
because they won the constructs
40:17
but didn't win the drivers
40:21
it'll be very tough for McLaren
40:23
and a really bitter pill to swallow
40:25
if they don't win the drivers
40:27
I do want to also say something
40:29
about this Kimmy Antonelli situation
40:31
because he had nothing left
40:35
for Formula One drivers and the way
40:37
social media is and toxicity
40:39
and all that kind of stuff
40:41
I dread to think what some people are saying
40:43
about Kimmy Antonelli
40:45
because of GP's radio
40:47
this is something I want to mention
40:49
I think that's incredibly unfair
40:51
and I know that like tensions are running high
40:53
and they wear their heart on their sleeve
40:55
and they probably didn't know that
40:57
that was going to be broadcast
40:59
but playing something like
41:01
one saying that and two playing it out
41:03
in the first place is just unfair
41:05
I think completely on Kimmy Antonelli
41:07
Kimmy Antonelli is literally like
41:09
Max Verstappen's son this year
41:11
and would probably like nothing more
41:13
so he's not throwing it in any way
41:15
and you look at like
41:17
what happened to Timo Glock
41:23
saying that he's gifted the championship
41:25
and he almost had to
41:27
I think he's admitted that he's almost had to like
41:29
hide away and stuff
41:31
we don't want to see another situation like that
41:35
the championship is won over loads
41:37
and loads of different moments
41:41
unfair to just blame Kimmy Antonelli
41:43
on it because he was pushing
41:45
and he was doing everything he could
41:47
but you saw his final lap his tyres were dead
41:49
Yeah he was about three seconds slower
41:51
on that final lap his tyres had hit
41:53
the cliff that we questioned whether that existed
41:57
this circuit it's very tough
41:59
on the tyres and I have to completely agree
42:01
Tommy that Formula One
42:03
is a strange sport where
42:05
there are so many unknowns
42:07
compared to other sports that the fans
42:09
will jump on so many different
42:11
conspiracy theories
42:13
and this one makes absolutely no sense
42:15
the one thing people will say
42:17
is because it's a Mercedes engine
42:23
want to see McLaren
42:25
a customer team win the driver's championship
42:27
because that's the PR
42:31
you have Ted Kravitz going to Toto Wolf
42:33
how does it feel that a customer engine
42:35
is winning with your engine
42:37
because that just shows they've not built a good enough car
42:41
thinking that that's the case is insane
42:43
because you genuinely just have to look at
42:45
Kimi Antonelli this year he just runs to Max Verstappen
42:47
at all times to have a chat with him
42:49
tell him where he finished and all sorts
42:53
if you do think that
42:55
next question P1Patreon member O-Lite
42:57
do you think other teams and drivers
42:59
want Max or the McLarens
43:03
There will of course be
43:07
Kimi Antonelli doesn't want this
43:11
there will naturally be like biases
43:13
throughout the grid it's something we've seen in the past
43:15
there's relationships there
43:17
you've seen it throughout
43:27
there'll be people that maybe
43:29
want to see him win and things like that
43:31
or there's Fernando Alonso
43:35
say is I hope we see
43:37
exactly what we saw today
43:43
just running their own race
43:45
and doing everything they can to maximize the result
43:47
I don't want to see a situation
43:53
you'll say of course you do
43:55
but obviously won't happen
43:57
because like Fernando Alonso
43:59
why would he be at the front but it's like
44:01
having Max positions to like
44:03
make him win the championship
44:07
drivers not attacking the McLarens
44:09
because they're worried about getting in the mix of the title fight
44:11
I just want to see every team
44:15
race in Abu Dhabi for what they want
44:17
and they have to just not think about the championship
44:19
they have to just do their own race
44:21
and I really hope that
44:25
It's what you hope but I don't see it happening in the slightest
44:31
racing balls I don't think can play any kind of
44:33
factor in the McLaren
44:35
fight because they're not quick enough
44:39
absolute categorical proof that Fernando Alonso
44:41
is not making life hard for Max Verstappen
44:43
if he somehow finds himself ahead of him
44:45
we saw that in the sprint
44:47
or they could have done being a bit quicker
44:51
because Fernando had a big old train
44:57
not stop in Abu Dhabi
44:59
and just hope to God he gets ahead of
45:03
but he'll need to have the pace he showed
45:05
in the sprint because that fell off
45:09
he did score a point but nowhere near to help Max
45:13
I think quite a few
45:15
teams and drivers want Max Verstappen to win
45:17
whether that's changed
45:19
they're all Formula 1 fans at the end of the day
45:21
and they like to see a good storyline
45:23
just like you or I do
45:25
but I think there are a lot of fans of
45:27
Max Verstappen out there
45:29
but the one that we don't really know where the relationship
45:31
currently lies is Max Verstappen and George Russell
45:33
and George Russell might be one of the only drivers
45:35
that can actually get in the fight
45:39
to upset this championship one way or another
45:41
and I believe George will be
45:43
one of those drivers that does not care
45:45
and will just try to win in Abu Dhabi
45:47
and let's see what happens and where the dominos fall
45:51
there was a little spicy moment
45:53
in the media pen wasn't there between
45:55
Lando and George if you haven't
45:57
seen it do you want to explain
45:59
the moment for people that haven't seen it
46:01
really bizarre situation
46:03
I think it was picked up by Dizon
46:05
Spain and they were just
46:09
essentially it was all to do with
46:13
a media reporter had
46:15
essentially said to George that Lando
46:17
had been blaming George
46:21
messing up his last lap
46:25
so George mentioned that to Lando
46:27
in camera shot and in audio listening
46:29
view point whatever you want to say
46:33
Lando took it to heart absolutely was like
46:35
what you're talking about and then
46:37
essentially just sort of slated the media
46:39
because I can't believe you'd say
46:41
believe them over me and things like that
46:45
quite rightly took it to heart
46:47
because if he hasn't said it then fair enough
46:49
and then George seemed to sort of poke fun after that
46:51
and you know he was trying to
46:53
help you win the championship mate if anything
46:55
George said that sounds like something you would say
46:57
which is crazy he did say that as well
46:59
just having banter and it was hard to
47:01
tell exactly how that scenario unfolded
47:03
but it did feel like Lando was genuinely upset by
47:05
whatever the media had tried to do
47:07
which was wrong by the way the media
47:09
absolutely should not be saying things that were
47:11
categorically wrong like just
47:13
completely incorrect George was out of the way
47:15
on the straight but anyway
47:17
yeah the the relationship between George and Lando
47:19
I think is a respectful rivalry
47:21
I don't think it goes as deep
47:23
as for George to move out the way to let Lando be
47:25
world champion yeah agreed
47:29
it's going to be fascinating to see how
47:31
they all play it but
47:33
I'll just echo what I said before of like
47:35
please guys just run your
47:37
just let it play out run your own race what
47:39
happens happens and
47:41
you know we don't want to see a situation
47:43
say like I don't know
47:45
because can you imagine that
47:47
situation there at the end
47:51
that was like a like Kimi Antonelli
47:53
was a is that Glock moment where he's made
47:55
a genuine mistake and it's made
47:57
made Lando win the world championship
47:59
or equally like Lando is
48:01
catching Carlos Sainz and everyone's like
48:03
oh well they're really good mates and
48:05
if he gets if he gets through like
48:07
is Carlos going to try harder I think
48:09
he would but then like because of
48:11
course he wants his podium but then everyone
48:15
yeah it's going to be
48:17
a bit of a mess I think whatever
48:19
happens but let's hope that all the drivers
48:21
just do that thing people will find
48:23
a way to say something when they
48:25
absolutely didn't now I have touched
48:27
upon this a little bit but we're going to get
48:29
categorical answers from the pair of us for this one
48:31
so picture this scenario from
48:33
Kuchu it's the last
48:35
lap of Abu Dhabi Verstappen
48:37
leads another driver is second
48:39
Piastri is third Lando
48:41
is fourth would McLaren
48:43
make the call to Oscar and if
48:45
they did would he do it
48:49
how I am picturing this at the
48:51
moment is that McLaren
48:53
absolutely would ask
48:55
the question to Oscar
48:57
the question is whether he would
49:03
want to do it I think
49:07
think he would do it I'm
49:09
actually of the opinion
49:11
that he would give the position
49:15
his corner Mark Webber etc saying
49:17
it wouldn't work in your favor
49:19
in the team the power
49:21
dynamic and everything else in between
49:25
and you know I'm making this answer right now
49:27
on the spot I do believe
49:29
he would let Lando through to win the title
49:31
because can you imagine
49:33
we're talking about the power dynamic fine
49:35
on the flip side of that can you imagine
49:37
the feeling in the team
49:39
for the entire next season
49:41
the garages would be split
49:45
I think there would be
49:47
you know feelings of negativity
49:49
you know the fact that Oscar didn't play the team game
49:51
which is all we ever hear about
49:53
is papyrals and fairness
49:59
would let Lando through
50:03
but we've already spoken
50:05
we've spoken about the reasons why he could also
50:09
and they're very very viable as well
50:11
of well what happens if blah blah blah
50:13
DNF saw there's a disqualification
50:15
but that being said
50:17
that is a very tiny
50:19
minuscule thing to happen
50:23
it would have to happen to both Verstappen
50:27
for that to you know crown Oscar's champion
50:31
going to say right now I think it's
50:33
best to both of those questions
50:37
that he would do it
50:39
that McLean would definitely ask him
50:41
they'd have to in that situation
50:45
it would be embarrassing for them to lose the title
50:47
I think he would have Mark Webber
50:51
Mark Webber's voice in his head
50:53
saying do not do this
50:59
but I think for the team
51:01
at the end of the day Oscar's already given
51:05
because it would literally be giving him the world championship
51:07
but he's already done it
51:09
to a point you know when Oscar was leading
51:11
he's already made that switch back
51:13
when he could have probably argued and said no
51:17
and he didn't so I think he would do it again
51:19
to keep that harmony in the team
51:21
I think it would be incredibly tough call
51:23
what I do want to throw in the mix
51:27
and you kind of said this before
51:29
if Piastri was second
51:31
I know we're going into like scenario mode
51:37
this is what everybody does by the way
51:39
if you're listening right now and going
51:41
it's all ifs, buts and maybes
51:43
if my grandmother had blah blah blah
51:45
but the thing is I know for a fact
51:47
that each and every one of you and your friendship groups are saying these exact scenarios as well
51:51
what if the McLean took each other out in the sprint
51:57
and Vegas and Maxis and I
52:01
the way this season has gone
52:03
it wouldn't surprise me
52:05
this is a very realistic scenario
52:07
of everything we've had in the last few weeks
52:09
so here's the scenario I'm putting on the table
52:13
then it's Piastri second
52:15
another driver third
52:19
is it a different ball game
52:21
even though it's exactly the same scenario
52:23
it's Oscar basically sacrificing himself
52:27
do you think that changes the situation
52:29
at all or is it the same
52:31
because I would argue that
52:33
McLean would almost be
52:39
they would throw the world championship
52:43
but I also believe that
52:47
in control of their image
52:49
and want to be seen as this wonderful
52:51
fair, lovely team that
52:53
everyone loves so hard
52:55
but I think that would actually
52:59
which is an insane thing but I genuinely think they would even question
53:01
whether they'd ask him at that point
53:03
and they should absolutely
53:05
but I think there's something
53:07
even more embarrassing
53:09
for McLean that he sacrifices
53:11
another position even though ultimately it doesn't make
53:15
I completely get what you're saying
53:17
because I'm of the same opinion of the fact that
53:21
not that big of a deal
53:23
but I think it looks so much worse
53:25
Oscar peeling off to the side
53:27
letting George Russell, whoever it is
53:29
letting Lando through
53:31
and then not even being on the podium
53:33
for the final race when he's been running in second
53:35
can you imagine Australian media by the way
53:39
they would gobble that up
53:41
I'm sorry I should have used a better word than that
53:43
but that's just from the watch along as if you watch along
53:47
but for some reason it's so much worse
53:49
even though it isn't really
53:51
on paper it doesn't make any difference
53:55
it's still Oscar Piastri
53:57
sacrificing a podium
54:01
so the driver in his team
54:03
wins the title but there just seems
54:05
something so much more extreme
54:07
about them being a car in between
54:09
the two of them for it to happen
54:11
like the media would
54:13
go into frenzy I think over it
54:17
whether fairly or not
54:19
I don't believe it would be
54:21
this is just how championships are won
54:23
but I think Lando would
54:25
get cooked in the media as well
54:27
I don't think fairly because of course
54:29
he's going to do that
54:31
it should be world champion easily by now
54:33
yeah it would be an absolute
54:37
if that happened which is crazy
54:41
it should Lando win the world championship
54:45
by whatever scenario plays out
54:47
in Abu Dhabi it would be his first world championship
54:49
it would be such an incredible moment for him
54:51
and you know I firmly
54:53
lay the blame as they should
54:55
on McLaren in the last two races
54:57
Lando should be home and dry by now
54:59
with the performances he's put in
55:01
but instead he's under this insane pressure
55:03
Oscars now come into form
55:05
Max you can never count out and somehow won
55:07
did you realise that?
55:09
how the hell has that happened after the start of the race
55:11
I would be really sad
55:13
if this was somehow tainted
55:15
with whatever plays out in the last race
55:17
but Lando is a deserving world champion
55:19
Lando would care as well a lot
55:23
like if it played out that way
55:25
and there was this like media storm
55:27
about it and people saying oh you got gifted
55:29
the championship I think that would
55:33
affect Lando whereas Max would be like
55:35
F you I don't care that one the championship
55:37
thank you very much see you later I mean look what happened in 2021 right
55:39
yeah and I hope Lando
55:41
would learn to not care about that
55:43
but you know again this is another crazy scenario
55:45
one more scenario I want to throw in is that
55:47
Oscar says no to both of well says no to McLaren
55:49
says F you I'm going to Red Bull
55:51
and then just finish a second and you know
55:53
that would that would also create some some crazy stuff
55:55
that would be a in-car Alpine
55:57
tweets basically from Oscar Piazza
56:01
the tweet for like 345
56:03
locals without my consent
56:05
McLaren have asked me to
56:07
let Lando Norris 3 to win the championship
56:09
I do not agree and I've signed a contract
56:13
oh dear well look we're having fun aren't we
56:15
yeah we are it's fun like
56:19
you can say always if that's the maybes and
56:21
scenarios and stuff we have dreamed
56:27
an actual championship finale it's been
56:29
a long time since 2021
56:31
and even then before that you know it
56:33
hadn't happened since 2016
56:35
so you know we've waited
56:37
like 10 years and we've only
56:39
ever had one showdown
56:41
and we've got another one and by the way
56:43
it's between three drivers
56:45
three drivers crazy
56:47
question from P1Patreon member Zingy13
56:49
if it wasn't for McLaren fumbling their strategy
56:51
would this have been one of the worst
56:55
not one of the worst races of the year I think
56:57
they can't overtake
56:59
we mention about 2025
57:03
it's all done at lap one
57:05
absolutely would be because if McLaren
57:07
hadn't done a different strategy there was
57:09
no interest in that Grand Prix whatsoever
57:11
and it was almost like a Monaco
57:13
situation where we said
57:17
I was like oh well at least the two stop
57:19
will be interesting it actually made it
57:21
worse because everyone just went to the
57:23
exact threshold of what was
57:27
quota of like you have to do this
57:29
25 lap thing and everyone
57:31
would have just done it exactly the same
57:33
strategy like we saw that
57:35
to the point where people were like risking
57:37
unsafe releases and
57:39
double stacking and everything
57:43
yeah like they had to do it there
57:47
people were just like stuck so
57:51
intrigue from this race has come over
57:53
just the championship implications not
57:55
anything to do with the actual like racing
57:57
and overtaking because
57:59
I mean even you know
58:01
without McLaren and how they should have won the race
58:05
a normal race I think McLaren are winning that
58:11
and yet Lando couldn't
58:15
Antonelli with DRS it's just impossible
58:19
yeah horrific the worst race of the year
58:21
I completely agree Tommy
58:23
it's such a shame because on Saturdays
58:25
to be fair Fridays as well
58:27
with two qualifying sessions it's great to watch
58:29
and I echo my thoughts
58:31
that I made I can't remember if it was the last
58:33
there's so many podcasts we've done one of the
58:35
the thoughts I made of like okay
58:37
Qatar you have lots of money
58:39
make an alternative layout
58:41
for Formula One it can't be that hard
58:43
add some hairpins rather than these
58:47
literally get some Formula One drivers feedback
58:49
on how to make this a circuit where you can
58:51
actually overtake because I genuinely think it's got
58:55
exactly and they've got there is promise
58:57
right it's a cool track
58:59
it just needs some heavy braking zones
59:03
it needs a Bahrain turn 1, 2, 3
59:05
whatever like extend the DRS a little bit
59:07
because I feel like the DRS is the activation
59:11
sort of late down the
59:13
straight although to be fair you weren't
59:15
disagreeing with that or sorry you weren't
59:17
saying for it to be any further extended
59:19
when Antonelli was under pressure from Norris
59:21
but yeah terrible race
59:23
it's going to be a terrible race forever
59:25
it feels like unless they make changes
59:27
and they have the ability to
59:29
so just make it happen
59:55
it's top of all the performance benchmarks
59:57
top of the G2 leaderboard and if you're not
59:59
happy we'll refund you up to a million dollars
00:01
which I think says it all check it out
00:03
for yourself at fin.ai
00:41
why is Carlos in a Williams
00:45
I'm actually going to stop
00:47
this narrative now of Carlos being
00:49
in a Williams as a Ferrari
00:51
Charlotte Clarke fan
00:53
I think he might be in the right place
00:55
I genuinely believe
00:57
this move that felt like a massive
01:01
I've said from the absolute get-go
01:03
that James Valls is
01:05
a team principal that
01:07
I think just gets it
01:09
he's got all of the engineering knowledge
01:11
he's fantastic with people and I think he's
01:13
excellent with managing a team
01:15
and the Williams outfit
01:17
so yes Williams aren't
01:21
14 but they have got
01:23
two podiums with Carlos signs
01:25
Ferrari on the other hand
01:27
are scrambling around sliding
01:29
doing everything other than basically going
01:31
in a straight line and going fast
01:35
is in the right place I genuinely believe
01:37
that Williams are on the ascendancy now
01:39
I really hope for them in 2026
01:41
with the new regulations that they
01:43
improve even further and then can
01:45
challenge I think Alex Albon made a prediction
01:47
that there'd be one higher up and
01:49
a challenge for the occasional podium of course that's
01:51
a completely random prediction no one knows
01:53
how fast anyone's going to be
01:55
but back to Carlos's drive
01:57
his pace was utterly amazing
01:59
he wasn't far off of Max's
02:01
pace on a very similar strategy
02:03
if not the identical strategy in terms of
02:05
tyre life and he drove
02:07
the wheels off of that Williams
02:09
so much so it started disintegrating
02:11
with about seven laps to go and things started falling off
02:13
but Carlos another podium
02:17
a outrageously good again from Carlos
02:21
his turn around in form
02:23
he was looking as we said
02:25
the most disappointing driver
02:27
I think really at the start of the season
02:29
with how we thought it was going to go
02:33
doesn't deserve to have that
02:35
demotion to go down the grid
02:37
and be in a Williams and Alex Albon
02:39
was driving absolutely
02:41
superbly and basically
02:45
point of the season like after Monza
02:47
Alex Albon was just scoring
02:51
and was so far ahead
02:53
you know without sounding like
02:55
the drive to survive thing
02:57
of the fight for eighth
02:59
that they love to mention
03:01
but he was so easily like best of the rest
03:03
it was like all but confirmed
03:05
in the last few races
03:09
Carlos has got a third, a third
03:11
and a fifth and Alex has scored
03:13
no points, he's not been higher than
03:21
nine points behind Alex
03:23
in that kind of inter-team
03:25
battle obviously you know
03:27
nine points is going to be a lot
03:31
it shows like what a turn around and what
03:33
an exciting thing going into next year
03:37
there's two sides to this story
03:39
one Ferrari are just
03:41
a big joke at the moment
03:43
to say the least and
03:45
why would you want to be there
03:47
you go into the new season of course
03:49
and yeah like if Mercedes cook
03:51
this amazing engine like we think
03:53
that they might you know Williams could
03:55
be in a great position if they get their car
03:57
right and have the best power
03:59
unit in the back and just to add a
04:01
third option into the mix
04:03
and I don't want this to come across as like
04:05
a backhanded compliment
04:07
but in terms of your like stock
04:09
you'd argue that Carlos
04:13
doing unbelievable things in a Williams
04:15
is making a much more kind of
04:19
than sort of like being there or there about
04:21
some not being Charlotte Claire in a championship
04:23
in a Ferrari of course like
04:25
we've seen what Carlos can do in a Ferrari
04:27
and he deserves like to be
04:29
considered as one of the best drivers on the grid
04:33
but you can argue that like
04:35
this position that he's in now
04:37
it's funny how Formula 1 works in that way
04:39
that Carlos goes on
04:41
it continues this run into next year
04:43
he's going to be like
04:45
incredibly sought after by the top teams
04:47
certainly will and will he even want to leave
04:49
unless Williams were the champion
04:51
are a top team which
04:53
might happen in years to come
04:57
biggest winner driver or
04:59
team that's what Stappen might be getting
05:03
for somehow winning the race
05:07
it has to be, it has to be Max first
05:09
to happen as the biggest winner he is still in the world championship
05:11
when he should not be
05:13
can I please just remind everybody
05:15
that Max should be out of this
05:17
championship mathematically
05:19
or at least 22 points
05:23
it has to be Max for me
05:25
yeah it has to be Max obviously Carlos is a great
05:29
the fact that he's still in this title somehow
05:33
and then biggest loser
05:39
they've lost a lot in the sense of
05:41
weirdly I don't think you can say
05:43
London, I think it's
05:45
Piastri, yeah I think it's Piastri from like
05:47
a championship context
05:49
you know he's lost more
05:51
I also want to throw an honourable mention to Isaac Hadjar
05:53
who was having a great race in p6
05:55
I think it was and then he got a puncture
05:57
and then that was basically his race
05:59
curtains but it has to be biggest loser
06:01
in the context of the championship
06:05
you know gutting for him absolutely gutting
06:07
yeah it's gutting and for all the
06:09
people that get triggered by the wording of this we're not
06:11
saying he's had a bad race by saying he's the biggest
06:13
loser in terms of like
06:15
it's all on McLaren
06:17
because weirdly with Oscar
06:29
where he was probably gonna finish third
06:31
finish fourth whereas Oscar
06:33
it's basically him gone from like winning and really
06:35
being close to the championship
06:37
to now like kind of needing a big
06:41
would have been 12 points and instead it is 16
06:43
right let's have a look at our predictions
06:47
55, 51 to Tom Bellingham
06:49
has he sealed the deal
06:51
with one race remaining or is there
06:53
somehow a Gallagher comeback
06:55
on the cards so first and foremost
06:57
let's go into a good surprise
06:59
where initially I wanted to go for Oscar
07:05
went for it instead we'll get on to him shortly
07:07
but of course for me I then changed it went for
07:09
Charles Leclerc which I think wow
07:11
what a drive from Charles Leclerc
07:15
four points in a red
07:19
Oscar Piastri I went for of course
07:23
what a weekend from
07:25
from Piastri in terms of
07:27
could have been the perfect clean sweep
07:29
of course without McLaren's
07:31
fumblings it could have it really could have
07:35
I went for Alpine which
07:37
they were categorically awful in the sprint
07:39
and they finished last on the road
07:41
and then third last
07:43
it's got to be a big flop it has to be
07:45
I'm really sorry Tommy don't
07:47
you sigh I was supposed to be the competitive one
07:49
here so that's two points from me for Alpine
07:51
thank you Alpine for keeping me in this championship
07:55
Kimmy Antonelli I thought
07:57
without his food additive he would
07:59
fumble but obviously
08:01
could have done it on the last lap
08:03
could have been the point for that
08:07
I know but yeah Antonelli
08:09
beaten George again
08:13
end to the year obviously
08:15
the narrative will be
08:17
that little mistake but
08:19
another great drive from Antonelli
08:21
looking great going into the next year so no points
08:25
kind of struggling once again just more stuck
08:27
in the train and then finishing 20 seconds behind
08:29
Antonelli in the end
08:31
right of course there's more predictions so let's get into the sprint side of things
08:33
sprint pole I went for Max Verstappen
08:37
I went for Landon Orriss no
08:39
sprint victory I went for Max Verstappen
08:41
no I went for Landon Orriss no
08:43
how has none of these come in
08:45
because Oscar Piaz really turned into the goat
08:47
pole position I went for Max Verstappen
08:49
no and I went for Landon Orriss no
08:53
that is peak P1 prediction
08:55
we're basically like
08:57
the championship's going to go
08:59
one way or the other and Oscar basically
09:01
for the first time in five races like actually I'm the goat now
09:03
thank you very much
09:05
ridiculous that's absolutely crazy
09:09
order in third place I went for Oscar Piaz
09:11
which was incorrect
09:13
I went for George Russell which was incorrect
09:15
in second place I went for Landon Orriss
09:17
which was incorrect and I went for Oscar Piaz
09:21
and then in first place I went for Max Verstappen
09:25
give me that point thank you very much
09:27
I went for Landon Orriss which was incorrect
09:31
our one crazy prediction I went for
09:33
Oscar breaks the podium less
09:37
thank you Oscar for the point
09:39
and I went for straw luck qualifies Alonzo
09:41
which is basically like throwing away a prediction now
09:43
you have two opportunities
09:51
now our patreon prediction
09:53
if you're a P1 patreon you can submit
09:55
a prediction each episode
09:59
there is a controversial McLaren
10:03
if I mean the team order was to not stop
10:07
I knew you'd try and
10:13
anything to get me a point for that one
10:19
five or more different drivers on the sprint and race
10:21
podiums which had the McLaren's not got through
10:23
Alonzo not held them up
10:25
that would have come in of course
10:29
potential but no did not come in
10:33
you scored three and you scored one
10:37
I scored four and you scored two sorry
10:43
with two points in it
10:45
you best believe I am not uttering
10:47
Charlotte Clara apart from if it's a big flop
10:49
I can promise you that one
10:53
maybe Charlotte will just be the champion
10:55
not the champion be the champion
10:57
now our rule about not being able to go for the same thing
10:59
will literally become
11:03
dirty tactics of the
11:05
title finale of basically taking
11:07
crashing into your championship
11:11
please don't crash into me Tommy let it play
11:13
out just like you said earlier let it play
11:15
out yeah good fantastic
11:17
stuff two points in it we didn't Michael
11:19
Massey this hardly at all and it has gone down
11:21
to the wire what about the family
11:25
nine to the boring Bellingham's
11:27
and Ellie my girlfriend
11:29
went for in third place George
11:33
and my dad went for George Russell
11:37
in second Max Verstappen
11:39
is what Ellie went for
11:41
and my dad went for Oscar Piastri
11:45
Ellie went for Lando Norris
11:47
which was zero points
11:49
my dad went for Max Verstappen
11:51
so he's got two points it's over
11:53
the constructors is one
11:55
the one everyone wanted
11:57
everybody wants a double points in
11:59
double points finale
12:01
can I just say something
12:03
absolutely hilarious as well
12:05
so as many of you know
12:09
for the very kind comments about my dad
12:11
he absolutely loved it
12:13
he loved being on the pod
12:17
showered with lovely lovely
12:19
comments about his appearance
12:21
but when I'd finished recording and went back downstairs
12:23
he had like a face like thunder
12:25
and I was like what's wrong
12:27
like what's up and he was like
12:29
I was meant to say Norris
12:31
oh my god and I remember you telling me this as well
12:33
and he basically like had a brain fart
12:37
and that's got him the point
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so what you're telling me is
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it was actually Lando P2
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championship back on
12:47
so yeah there we go
12:53
give the point back you didn't mean it
12:59
the good news is we'll get
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a gross prediction for the finale
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because it doesn't matter so
13:05
we'll get a good one
13:07
well done we might extend our lead
13:09
when Colin Pinto finishes third
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honestly right so 24 races
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predictions per race
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that's 72 opportunities to score a point
13:23
I think we need to go back to the drawing board
13:25
when it comes to the family top 3
13:27
to be fair everyone
13:29
it's always like roasts how low that score is
13:31
you've got to remember as well
13:33
and this is the thing we always say
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the amount of times we get the top 3
13:37
correct who's on the podium
13:39
in the wrong order and you don't get a point
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so you get the 2 like my clarins the wrong way around
13:43
you don't get a point but you're like
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that's the way it should be by the way
13:49
I know people have said like oh you should get a point for it
13:51
it's too complicated
13:53
it's got to be right or wrong
13:57
that is it I hope you've enjoyed this
13:59
quite manic podcast
14:01
a lot of theories a lot of just fun
14:03
discussion really I hope you've enjoyed it
14:05
we certainly have we head to
14:07
Abu Dhabi next weekend
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all of them could be crowned
14:15
world champion which is
14:17
utterly insane to think about
14:19
we will of course be live
14:21
on Saturday and Sunday
14:23
for the competitive sessions
14:25
qualifying of the year and the last race of the year
14:29
I can't wait for it this is what I live for
14:33
I'm going to be grinning from ear to ear
14:35
for the next few days
14:37
whilst we of course do driver ratings
14:39
have best reactions coming out tomorrow
14:41
how do you come up with some final thoughts
14:43
to share with everybody
14:45
I think what I'm most concerned about is
14:49
for the next few days because this
14:53
we'll be going around in my head
14:57
I was a wreck after
14:59
well basically after Brazil
15:01
well at least the bandaid is ripped off
15:03
like it's done at least I can chill out
15:05
literally said that
15:07
and then the fact that
15:09
we've gone into Vegas
15:11
it's still a really long shot
15:13
oh wow he's gained more points
15:15
and a 3 driver championship
15:17
going into the finale
15:25
whoever you support
15:27
drink it in because this is what Formula 1 fans
15:31
we want a championship fight
15:33
and actually I'll end on something I was going to save it
15:35
but I'm going to tell you anyway
15:39
what your crazy prediction was
15:41
at the start of the season
15:43
it was a 4 way fight
15:45
4 way title fight and it's 3
15:49
we've got a goal here to make it as close as possible
15:51
if we're going to put McLaren as the fourth entity
15:53
I'm kidding but yeah that was
15:55
that was the craziest so crazy predictions in the first place
15:57
I wish I was called to 3, why did I go for 4
15:59
you just got too much hype going into the season
16:01
yeah because I thought Ferrari might actually be good
16:03
that was the thing maybe next time
16:05
how have we got a 3 car fight going into the finale
16:07
I literally cannot believe it based on the start of the year
16:09
and we were like oh okay
16:11
McLaren have won the championship here we go
16:13
Toby we've monitored your percentage
16:15
throughout the entirety
16:17
of the last few races and it literally was like
16:25
what is the Tom Bellingham percentage
16:27
heading into the final race of Max Verstappen
16:29
winning the world championship
16:37
it's going to take a lot but I think
16:41
McLaren have got it in them
16:45
we'll leave it on a positive
16:47
thank you McLaren for giving us this
16:51
blunders we would not
16:53
this would be over and Abu Dhabi would be the least
16:55
hype ever but instead
16:57
we have this amazing championship fight
16:59
and my percentage is 40%
17:01
I think Max has a 40% chance
17:03
of winning and that's purely from
17:07
we've not even spoken about the way
17:09
how he's going to drive
17:11
and I would say that
17:13
Red Bull and Max will be closer than
17:15
they have been in Qatar
17:17
I think that it will play more to
17:19
Qatar is number one
17:21
on the McLaren hit list for
17:23
100% and Abu Dhabi still
17:29
Max Verstappen is driving for the title
17:31
and I don't actually think he's driven
17:33
for the title really all year that much
17:35
we've not really seen
17:37
anything like absolutely crazy
17:39
where it has to go for it for the title
17:41
because he knows that it was such a long
17:43
shot but now we're going to see it
17:45
and one more thing because this podcast
17:47
is crazy and we love it
17:49
Oscar Piastri will not be driving in free practice
17:51
one worth mentioning
17:53
because they have to field a young driver
17:55
and it is a championship decider
17:57
and Oscar misses an hour
18:01
that is a crazy situation
18:03
that McLaren have found themselves in
18:05
I'm sure the conspiracy theories
18:07
aren't going to go crazy
18:09
just look at the rules guys
18:13
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