Quaint Zone 2026 #465

Welcome back to the Fast Life Podcast.

I hope you guys have been doing well.

I apologize I haven't been able to get as many podcasts out in this last month as I had

hoped to.

I've been building a FXR that's been taking up a lot of my time and we're almost done.

But I did get a chance to record this episode with some of my best friends, Kyle, Jive-Ass,

Honky, and Jaden Call Me Dragon.

We call these episodes the Quaint Zone.

We've been doing these things for almost five years or so, which the podcast started out,

the idea started out as it was going to be just a podcast that I ran more or less the

cameras for Jaden and Kyle to do.

And it just kind of evolved into what it is today, which is kind of like a yearly recap

of us just checking in on each other.

And Jaden, a long time podcaster with me, he's been doing a lot of stuff over on Patreon.

He's always provided a lot of great episodes.

So if you're on Patreon, you can go check those things out.

And yeah, we talked about a lot of cool stuff in this thing.

Talked about Kyle's new chopper journey.

He just started.

Jaden's been doing well and growing at the dealership that he works at and got married.

He's trying to have a family and or, you know, make it, I don't know.

He's doing grown up shit is what he's doing.

And I'm fucking proud of him.

So yeah, we're just kind of checking in a lot of stuff.

There's a lot of good, good stuff in this podcast.

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So let's get into this episode with the homies.

Hey guys, you ready to let the dogs out?

How's it been?

Like you, you've been in the dealership what, three years now going on three?

January 13th, 16th.

So like two and a half years.

Okay.

Almost coming up on two and a half.

How do you feel about it?

Like, how do you, do you feel like being there and now kind of seeing how the machine works?

Do you feel like there's a path there that like could suit you like long term?

Um, like what's your thought process now?

Like while working within the dealership scope?

Jesus, I guess we're getting right into this.

Uh, we got to make some motorcycle some way.

I need a pattern.

I think, uh, our specific shop, the way things are leaning, I think maybe a management or

maybe, uh, something like that down the road sooner than later.

If you'd asked me that two years ago, you know, the same response about sales in general,

fuck no, I don't want to do it.

Give up on my Saturdays, talk to some moron about, you know, you shrink.

I just, that didn't sound fun.

All that still applies.

Um, but I found a way to make it fun.

And sometimes it is the best job in the world.

So yeah, it's one of the things we're going to take this next step and see what happens with it.

How was it like over the last year and a half?

Sales wise, like when you, you know, if you hop on YouTube right now, there's 400 dudes

sitting in their garage talking about how Harley's failing and blah, blah, blah, blah.

What, what did you feel in the dealership side of things?

Like, was there some massive drop off where you felt like, like, how am I going to sustain

this job or whatever?

What would you say?

Yeah, you did have some of the, but not every room exact.

Phil goes about a year ago.

Some of the, the previous CEO, the, the woke stuff, all that happened.

I think it was our specific shop was just kind of in a vacuum.

We went through some upper management changes.

Um, last October, November.

So it was, I don't know how to gate 25 kind of sucked, but I don't know.

I think some of it might have been not our own fault, but just the way we were running

things and doing things versus the industry as a whole.

And then right at the end of 25, uh, people, things have changed and we've been

kind of kicking ass.

And it's, it's gotten fun again.

Um, yeah, he just, all you can do is.

I feel like, uh, so at the end of 24, you know, going into 25, you know, you had a

lot of people not spending money because they wanted to see the presidency stuff.

Right.

And then Trump gets an office.

I think a lot of people wanted to like open up the floodgates and spend some

money and get some stuff.

And then, you know, it's been kind of a shit show.

You know, I'm not, not talking politics here.

Yeah, that was the vibes in the room.

But yeah, get through the election.

Trump's going to win.

He's going to get in and like, you know, while it's going to open up, economy's

a melee going to get better, just confidence, you know, and it didn't.

But again, some of that wasn't, I think all outside some of that was us getting

our stuff back in line to kind of get back on board where we're, you know,

we're operating really smoothly and, and efficiently now.

Um, but yeah, as far as the, the sales, it didn't, it, you know, things didn't,

the pocket books didn't open up like they thought they would.

Yeah.

Um, but it seems like to your point, just now it feels like now at the end of last

year, going into this year, I think people just got tired of waiting and they just,

they want the wants, right?

And they're just like, fuck it.

I'm just going to get the street glide now.

Well, some of it also is just the new body style and the redesign.

Um, we're talking to Vincent about this the other day and I don't remember how

long you'd go, you're saying, but it somewhere he was at, it was one new

road glide and everything else was, you know, 23 and down.

And then he went to the same thing at some club.

I don't know who, but he went to the other day and it was, he said, I felt like

I was like a dealership ad or something.

Cause it was all new road glides or new street glides.

Yeah.

So I think some of that is just a general public getting used to seeing a more.

Yeah.

When a new body style comes out, a lot of things, cars, whatever it takes you a

lot to get like acclimated to that.

And there's a lot of people that didn't like it, that it's worn, worn them down.

Um, there's some people that still don't like it, but it's, that's what they have

now.

So if you, if you want a new motorcycle, you're looking at that.

Otherwise, you know, I've actually still get the guys that I want a 22 or a 23

road glide ST.

Yeah.

Why?

But it's, so I think some of that is just people coming around.

Yeah.

Even like some of the little, the smaller clubs that we, you know, well, you got

brothers, those guys, I'm like, I hate it.

Those dudes are starting to buy them up more because they're awesome.

You know, they're great machines.

Yeah.

I wish every truck looked like an 84 C 10.

They don't.

This is future and improvement.

This is the way it's going.

And I think people finally got their heads around that.

Yeah.

You know, and of course I'm not really like quoting any particular YouTube

channel or whatever, but it does seem like every time I open up my phone,

there's somebody, you know, harping at the fact that like Harley doesn't have

a good bike or the, the, they've just like right now, everybody's talking

about the sports or the coming back or whatever.

And it's like, how the fuck is this brand supposed to like, they, they build

what you asked for.

And then you're like, we wanted it that way, or we didn't want this.

Or we want it cheaper.

Like first off, Harleys have never been cheap.

Like when I was a kid growing up on sport bikes, you just automatically

assumed the Harleys were going to be more expensive.

They were just a more expensive, uh, you know, machine,

recreational toy or whatever.

Same reason.

Like when the BMW dropped a sport bike, they didn't have a, a, a

affordable BMW sport bike.

It was like, yeah, we got the RR.

It's fucking 20 grand or some shit.

You know?

So I guess I get annoyed seeing that stuff.

And I try not to watch any of it.

Everyone's saw someone that like, I think is really articulate and does a

good job of like explaining shit.

And I still like getting there and be like, oh, yeah, let's go ride your bike

and stop fucking just talking shit in the garage, dude.

Like go make real motorcycle content.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

I fuck a lot of stuff.

It's for clicks and views and everybody's entitled to opinion, but your

opinions like your elbow and your asshole, everybody's got one.

And I don't really give a fuck about most people's to be honest with you.

Um, I think Harley is in a good spot.

I think the making fewer models and this is, please don't mistake this as,

you know, cheerleading or holding my opinion up for the motor company, uh,

because it's not, but I do fuck.

They're making a pretty good roster of bikes and maybe cutting out some

models has hopefully improved some stuff.

But even then I think a lot of that shit is years already in the making.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

They've kind of got plans or I don't think anything changes like on the fly.

Cause some dickhead on YouTube bitch about it or whatever.

Um, everybody's like, did you see that video?

We got, we got to abort this whole cause right now.

You know, guys, this is not what they want.

Um, but yeah, I mean, I think everything right now is, is pretty good.

The, the, the nightster is probably the best beginner bike they've ever made.

As far as just price value, like what you get.

Um, and again, I haven't read any that I've heard about it.

I hadn't looked at any of the Evo sports or whatever coming back, not

knowing anything, just hearing about it.

I would think it's because, you know, that nights are such a good beginner bike,

but it's liquid cooled.

It's, you know, if you grew up listening to your dad or your

grandpa's Harley, it ain't going to sound like that.

And it never will.

So there might be something about, Hey, let's get an actual, you know,

V-Twin, what that kind of bike in back in the beginner market.

Uh, but I'm going to make a sports or just go buy an old sports.

I mean, God damn it.

What's the fucking difference?

They're still, I mean, every day it seems like somebody's coming in for an

883 or 12, I mean, tell them to go in the fucking marketplace.

And some of them tell them, Hey man, this is, you're going to outgrow this bike.

Yeah.

Super quick, but it's, you know, everybody has to do their own.

You can't talk sense into some people.

There's a big journey.

If they want to spend that much money on a brand new fucking sports tour,

I guess go for it.

But I'm like, I get the heaven, the payment.

Things probably easier for some people than actually just outright buying a motorcycle

for three grand, but I mean it's three grand guys.

Yeah.

Figure the fuck out.

I don't know.

Three grand to some people.

It was wrong with the bike.

Who knows?

It's a sports dude.

Put oil in it, put gas in it.

It'll fucking go.

Pretty much run.

Yeah.

Three grand to some people may as well be 30 grand or 300 grand.

Just I don't have a $600 a month payment.

Then spend three grand off the break.

I agree.

You can get your fucking fucking shit right boys.

I'm telling you, I was telling him earlier, you know, we're up there in

hell, you had brother country.

There's a handful of small clubs and it's.

Oh, I'm a fucking blue collar guy, dirty hands, clean money.

It's embarrassing how many dudes I've seen lately, including

some club guys that their wife, girlfriend, baby mama, baby mama's step mama

have to buy or ensure that these dudes get these bikes.

Like cosine on the.

Yeah.

It's just a lot.

You know, the meme, uh, it's tax season.

The dude's like holding the bigger girl from behind.

I've seen a handful of those lately.

We're there.

Thank you, baby.

Yeah.

Baby, I love you, baby.

I know.

Got a pathetic thing.

You go straight to the bar and start hitting on the bartender.

Probably so.

Yeah.

Well, what, like, as far as like, uh, not to have you like.

Drop in specifics, but how is it with the customer base?

Like, is it like difficult to talk to them sometimes?

Like, were you selling the bikes or like, what would you say is like

complicated about the sales process?

Uh, so one thing that sucks about it is just the nature of the whole

transaction.

If I roll up to a thumb, if I want to go buy a Camry, I'm going to go to the

Toyota, Toyota dealership, got out of my car, some dudes going to come over and

ask me what's up.

And I'm going to go kind of looking for a Toyota.

That happens so rarely.

Camry.

Oh yeah.

Camry, whatever.

That happens so rarely where somebody comes and goes, Hey man, kind of

looking at low riders, don't know everything may have, you know,

rarely are people honest and vulnerable.

Everybody's got a fucking opinion.

Everybody thinks they know everything.

So it's one of the things you have to kind of break down this wall with most

people and it just gets tiresome or it's like dating or, you know, like

picking up a chick at a bar, we're hanging out.

I'm pretending to be your friend.

Uh, that's exactly it.

I'm, you know, it's, there's so many parallels with going up and picking up

chicks to the sales thing where you begin, you have to make a friend, pretend to

be some of them you are, some people are fucking rad, but some of them, you're

sometimes he has to fucking cause me.

No, but it's welcome to see you.

What the fuck?

Ultimately, you're trying to fuck them, not, you know, in a negative sense of

like the business way, but as far as going out, you're trying to bang this

broad tonight, right?

Yeah.

It's the same thing.

You're trying to get a sale.

And yeah, so ultimately, like I don't sell bikes.

My job is to get you to sit down to look at numbers.

Some other dude's job to actually close you and sell you on the bike.

My job is to make a friend, make sure it's the right bike and just get you to

look at numbers.

And for people that are there, they're looking at bikes.

It's just such a song and dance, whatever routine you got to call that.

I feel like you're still always fair with them to just to cut back when you

said our job is to fuck them.

Oh yeah.

They're like, come off right.

I know what you mean by that.

Yeah.

I, you're also one of the guys that's not going to like fucking burn someone

like that.

Yeah.

No, when I say fucking, like, that's the analogy of the girl at the end of the

night.

Yeah.

I get it.

Fuck them.

Yeah.

Then, you know, the end of the day, you're trying to sell them a bike.

Yeah.

And it's when I said there's some people that you don't like at all.

Yeah.

I've read there.

He was in there Saturday.

Had a guy that I sold a bike to, um, older guy and somehow and already turned

it in the folder, you know, we're waiting on the numbers guys to do their thing.

We're just sitting there bullshitting and somehow lane splitting, filtering,

something comes up and he mentions how pissed off it makes him when people

lane split and he just wants to just, I just want to open my fucking door on him.

I was like, why?

Like they're, they're you, you or me.

Like we're all the, you know, and I'm like, I'm sitting there half stoned,

you know, sport bike blows my window off at 120.

It scares me.

I'll be on a hood and even though you're there, it startles me.

I think everybody gets old mad when you get startled.

But other than that, like, it's why dude, like, you know what

it's like to ride a bike.

Why would you?

So again, the whole point of that is this dude says that and if this was a chick,

you know, we're on a date or whatever.

I'm, I may put one more in her tab and I'm sliding out the side.

I'm probably done.

Or it's one of those things like, I know, all right, I'm going to smash and I'm

never calling you again.

In fact, I may steal something out of your apartment.

Like I'm looking for like a pack of double A batteries or something.

I'm leaving with something.

Yeah.

At some point, it gets the point where, okay, I still want to accomplish my mission.

Your wet brush, but I have no interest in ever fucking with you again.

And yeah, but there's dudes also that you would, you would be one of my friends

if you, you know, but that's rare.

Yeah.

I never understood that how like, you know, it's just dudes get mad at that

whole lane splitting thing.

It's like, man, especially if you're a motorcycle, it's like you ride, like, you

don't get it.

Like, and I try to explain it to people all the time.

They're like, Oh, it's so dangerous.

Like it's really not.

It's dangerous.

If you're trying to kill me whenever I do it, but if you do what you're supposed

to do and stay in your lane, then it's part, it's way less dangerous for me to

go ride through the middle of this.

Then hope that everybody in this multiple stops and goes, uh, scenario over

the course of a mile or two or 10, I have more chances of getting hit in that

stop and go thing than I do.

If I just pass through this right now,

I'm trying to get the fuck through here.

Yeah.

Makes no sense for me to hang around here any longer than I need to.

And that's bikes in the lion.

The more cars can move up.

Yeah.

But, uh, you can't talk sense into people.

Yeah.

We just like, if someone's like really being an ass, you just pull up on a

side of me, just like red bomb them for like as long as you can the whole time

they're in traffic, just you want me to go now?

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Give them something to be like, I just want this bike to go away from me.

I try not to even in tagging.

I don't either.

Jayden is usually pulls his penis out and makes me look at it.

Yeah.

What is that?

You know, it's crazy on the chopper.

I, I lean split every time I go to Dallas on it, like the section from like 35 to

go like I'm going to bike night.

It doesn't matter what time of day there's traffic crossing over the river and

getting into like the little downtown mixed master part.

It's always traffic.

I just cut right through the fucking middle.

Been doing it for like six months now.

I haven't got honked at once.

But if I do on the road, obviously it's a bigger bike, you know, things like that.

But chopper, I've gotten zero slack.

You know what I mean?

So maybe I'm looking tough.

Got, I look tougher on it or something.

I don't know.

I don't feel like I do, but you just don't get any kind of slack with it.

You know, maybe it just looks cooler.

They're like, that dude's cool.

Because people still, you know, they'll see a road glide.

Oh, well that 40, 50 grand.

Just the, so maybe people see the road glide and think, oh, just, you know,

but some dude with money, you know, versus a chopper, it looks more, I don't

how am I trying to explain it?

Some random fucking moron things in his car.

I don't know.

It's just been, it's something I'd noticed when I was riding to a Vincent's

bike night on Friday, I had to split through downtown quite a bit.

And so I was like, that was easy.

And it's like, I was through the all the track.

Like this traffic would have took me 30 minutes to get through.

And I rode through it in like three minutes.

You know what I mean?

I try to, I try to be sparingly sparing with it.

I feel like in the city, it's easier to get away with it.

If I was doing it out here on this side of town,

30 is a fucking parking lot.

Every time you go anywhere on 30, I would hit the fucking shoulder

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Some days just like a real skinny shoulder.

I'd take it for seven miles just in and out of traffic on the shoulder.

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My fucking windshield looks like Swiss cheese right now because of on the car

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Yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

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Mine's usually just like also to kind of get through something.

If I'm on 75 coming, you know, going to work or coming home and there's some

fucking idiot, you know, jamming up the left lane where it's two lanes.

I'll do things like that just to get around people.

But otherwise I'm just trying to go with the flow or a little bit before a little

bit after I try not to do much.

I'm also trying not to do too much illegal stuff on the bike, especially when it

comes to stuff like that, just just enough to get me where I'm going.

The days of one point coming down here, I think I hit 110 and just a little

ding, the alarm.

I was like, what are you doing?

It's holiday weekend.

You're fucking idiot.

Yeah.

Slow down.

Like don't give him a reason to.

I didn't mess with anything.

Yeah.

Well, on the chopper though, it's like, you know, the good cruise speed is like 65,

70.

So it's like when traffic's moving, I'm kind of the slowest person on the highway.

Right.

But or when it's like just that kind of not stopping go traffic, but you're kind

of just moving along nicely.

I like this traffic.

I can fuck with that.

You know, it feels comfortable, but I don't know.

It's a it's what I'm what I'm scared about is like when I, I'm going to try

to ride it to California for a born free.

Um, I'm like stressing about riding it through West Texas, like being out

there on 80 mile an hour highways where the trucks and everything is doing 90,

100 and it's like, I'm just like, oh my God, I'm trying to push it.

So, uh, yeah, it's that part sucks.

Cause you know, these cars are coming back up on you fast.

You know what I mean?

So I'm going to probably get off the highway and ride as much.

Would it not be feasible, feasible time wise to take a slower route?

That's what I was planning on doing, you know, but also slower routes usually

means more rule less things.

If I had an issue, like, you know, like just the chances of like something

going wrong out in the middle of nowhere and having no service and having

it be something I can't solve on the, on the fly.

That's kind of a scary part.

So it's like you want to run parallel to like, uh, you know, something

yeah.

So like, I don't want to take I 20 all the way to 10, but I'll probably be

be within 10 or 15 miles north of the south of by 20, going that direction,

you know, and whatever that looks like.

So, but yeah, I guess to finish your original point, uh, things are good.

Things are great.

I've noticed a little bit of correlation with gas prices going up.

It seems like we've slowed down a little bit because we were gangbusters

November, December, January, February, March, we've been killing it.

And this last month or so is, you know, gas has noticeably gone up.

I've seen a little bit of, of it kind of dropping off.

But, um, yeah, it's never going to stop.

Yeah.

As far as the whole sales thing, you're, you've always got dudes coming up to

the neck, you know, want to start riding, ready to get to the next thing.

I know everything.

I've had a couple and then phasing out.

We're debating on going to a track.

I don't know.

And then the, uh, look, the saddest part is when we can't ride, I had one

of those a week or two ago, guy had to sell his bike family was just on his

ass reaction time.

I think he had some condition that was getting worse, but he did not want to

do it.

Like he was kind of being rude to me.

And I think the lady was with checked him cause came back from doing something.

He's like, Hey, man, I'm sorry.

I'm not mad.

You have just met the situation.

I said, dude, I fucking get it.

I fucking get it.

So, um, yeah, it's one of the things that the cycle never stops.

Yes.

There's always, it's turning over.

Somebody's getting onto it for the first time tomorrow.

Somebody's riding for the last time tomorrow.

So just like anything, I think the day to day, the, just the, uh, monotony of it,

the, you know, that gets old, but in the day, it's a fun job.

You know, it's a lot funner than a lot of other shit you're gonna do.

And yeah, we'll see where it goes.

Talk to Adam, um, Tuesday at bike night and just, you know, the whole

brand rep stuff ride, the people I talked to you about that.

Or I was going, Oh, that's not the best optimistic feelings about maybe

switching into that.

Cause the rent, this whole thing was like starting at selling.

Mike's was honestly just to kind of get my foot in the door, get some resume

experience in an industry that I had none in that I passionately wanted to work in.

The goal was originally here.

See if we can make it a year that I get fired and go from there.

Two and a half.

And like I said, knocking on the door, maybe sliding into a management role.

Um, but the brain reps, I've never chained, you know, I said, I, I hate

just hustling on the board.

Hey, what's up?

It gets old.

I'd rather do a traveling thing.

So talking to him Tuesday with how good his gig is, you know, as a

dude that got out of the paint booth after 20, 25 years, it was positive,

hopeful, whatever to one of those things.

I hate you.

Keep, keep doing your thing.

Stay motivated.

Cause you never know when something's going to pop up.

So that was kind of a little like, all right.

Yeah.

I don't came through here.

We talked a little bit, uh, Wednesday.

Yeah.

He came through Wednesday and, um, David was telling me about the gig.

He does the, what is that brand called?

Uh, they do oil filters.

It's called figure, figure, right?

Here's, I can't really pronounce it, but yeah, he, yeah, he painter hung up

the paint booth.

I mean, he still paints here and there and does stuff, but like, I mean,

what he was telling me what they do.

I was like, God damn, dude, I was two weeks on the road, two weeks at home.

You make that much money.

Yeah.

I'll quit right now.

Well, that's what I should have said.

Show me a fucking paste of that.

Show you that and I'll quit right now and be your assistant.

But no, you know, just to kind of just truly happy for somebody.

Yeah.

And, uh, it was one of us after talking to Scott and a couple of other dudes.

Just man, I don't know.

Well, I'm, what's crazy.

Dragon Harley Davidson.

What's crazy is that like after talking with Adam and he was explaining it to me,

it makes sense.

I think that a lot of brands have kind of leaned towards putting all their,

their marketing efforts into social media or that kind of shit rather than

having boots, like boots on the ground, going to dealerships, showing the product

to the actual places they're going to be bought from.

You know what I'm saying?

So I think there's value in that, you know?

Oh yeah.

And it's one of those things for, for, you know, for me and since we've all met

the how many nights, oh, you're so bad.

You know, I'm on one little bit.

You should sell bikes.

You're so bikes.

No, same reason I didn't want to.

The same reason, the same stuff.

I don't like about it now.

Yeah.

But like I said, it's hard, you know, some guys looking at a breakout.

Yeah, I'll give you this, but I got no passion about the breakout or the fat boy.

I hate them.

I hate them both.

Terrible models to each his own, but it just, it's hard to have passion about

shit you genuinely don't care about versus getting on board with the brand that

you believe in and you're, I say, you're not having to adapt to, to each personality

that comes up and pretend to be something or not.

You're passionate about your product.

I believe in this.

So if you, if you work for like a, like one of the brands that goes out and does

stuff like, like I guarantee you anytime millhouse is walking up to a

dealership, everybody else is like, fuck yeah, millhouse is here.

And like, obviously he has that personality, but also that brand being with him is,

you know, they, they, they've done a lot building up Thundermax, right?

So I was like, yeah, if you, it like that position will be sick.

Like, of course I'd love to do that.

I love talking to people.

Yeah.

That's, uh, you know, he's been, I wouldn't say role model, but that's definitely

one of the, there's a handful of guys as examples.

Cause he was at a dealership before he went to, uh, Thundermax.

Yeah.

I forget what he was.

I think he was in parts or something.

I could be definitely, I'm probably wrong in that, but he was doing something.

He's one of those handful of dudes that I, you know, I'll get on one and I'm

talking and I'd love to be a millhouse for some brand or this guy for that brand.

And yeah, that's still.

Uh, ultimately the goal.

Yeah.

But same time, just life and family stuff.

So we're going to keep doing what we got to do in the meantime and I said,

if it pops up, we'll see what's, what's up.

If anybody's looking.

Uh, well, I think that what, you know, like law tiger started doing this stuff last

year, they started hiring a lot of the people that were more active in the

motorcycle community.

They mainly were doing this on the West coast and you know, obviously not Taylor.

Shifter crew is like running Kentucky and, uh, Jason from ride faster

pussies up in like Oregon and some other good dudes and some other good spots.

And I think that like those traditional roles that used to just be filled in with

people that just needed a job, they may be like bikes, but they were really in the

bikes the way that these guys are.

I think that changes the dynamic of those brands when you have someone that's truly

into this shit and actually like when they get off work, they're at the place.

They're going to be off after work.

Right.

Like I'm at the bike night that I'm here to work, but I would be here if I wasn't

working from here.

So when you start hiring within that community of like that, I think it makes

it a much just, it makes more sense to do that.

When you have access to so many people that are involved in this stuff in the

way that they are, why hire some dude that, you know, he could sell toilets or this

like you don't really have to sell the product.

You just need to show the people the products.

If your product is good, it sells itself.

I'm going to get your law degree, Jaden.

Yeah.

Your honor, he didn't do it.

Get objection.

Get the fuck out of here.

Oh man.

It's rim, but I haven't said the R word.

The one that starts with R.

So pretty, feeling pretty good about it.

Nice dude.

I'm proud of you.

We're getting somewhere.

Yeah, I'll get you.

I wanted to.

I know.

Ten times.

Yeah.

I'm with you on that, man.

I feel like there's a lot of brands out there that, and Adam actually said this

to you, he goes, well, it's like, you know, if you want to get into this stuff,

I'm sure you would be able to, but you just never know where the opportunities

are going to come from.

It might not be the most, it's like, you're not probably not going to get an

opportunity to go be the guy running around and trying to sell the ration parts.

Right.

Yeah.

You're going to be, maybe you're going to be the guy that's got to try to sell

Amsoil, you know what I'm saying?

And I'm like, well fuck, but I mean, it's still, you're still doing the same type

of gig, which I get.

It's dope.

But, um, no, I mean, that's kind of, I don't know.

I think with parts and stuff, it's, you get to, you get to sell more of like what

I believe in, what, what got me hooked.

It, you know, it's not the specific bike.

It's, it's a bite.

This part goes on your bike, whatever bike you have.

Yeah.

And that gets you to traveling, to friends, to making memories.

It's not the specific, uh, 117 and it's got the ride modes and it's, you know,

so much of what we, the bike's just a conduit, the bike is just a way to get

you around, focus less on the bike.

You know, like I said, a part, so that I know this part is going to work for you.

It's going to make your bike cooler.

It's going to keep it running.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

That's, that's kind of the ultimate goal.

Something that I can fully, you know, put my whole heart, but you know, I do that

with Harleys in general, I've hit people all the time with dude, this is, it may

sound like this, this was, this machine will change your fucking life.

Yeah.

You know, a hundred percent did for me, just what I did for living.

My friends, like who this hidden hobby for me.

This is, you know, this is for forever.

This is the right, this is it.

Um, but yeah, just want to see where you connect with people on that more than I'm

pretending to like this bike, but I don't really, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

There's fucking that.

You're on a chopper now.

How'd that happen?

I'm bored with trying to buy bikes from Harley salesman.

He never tried to buy.

He's right.

You've, you've always kind of had a little bit of a chopper fever for quite a while.

Yeah, for sure.

I'm just ready to do some a little different, you know, I say that.

I mean, I know it's been done.

Every fuck, every show you've been going to is a chopper show.

You know what I mean?

I've been like, I know a lot of the people that are into the chopper stuff and

finally just hit a point where I could either get a new bike or.

Yeah.

So like run me through that idea.

Like when you were, you know, cause we were talking, but I want you to like tell

the world that like, well, I mean, just yell it from a mountain top.

Tell all 30 people they're watching this or listening to this.

I, well, my, I have a, I've had an inmate soft tail.

You're inmate soft.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

I've had an inmate soft tail for since 2019.

Uh, and fuck it rides good.

It always works.

Yeah.

So I mean, I've been on all lower 48 States on it.

It's still trucking, you know, fucking 70,000.

You hit 70, right?

Just under 70 right now.

Oh, hit 69,000.

Okay.

That was my next, that or my last goal.

I'm at about 70 now.

And then I should have some, plenty of life left in it.

So I'm like, I'm trying to get to 100,000 for sure.

But I mean, well, I looked at it was like, I could get another bike.

I get a bagger, but I essentially have a bagger.

What, what, what can I do on a rogue king or a rogue lie that I can't do on

my soft tail that I've done on my soft tail?

Like it's got bags.

I've learned how to travel with the amount of storage space I have.

I don't need more storage space for more bullshit.

Like it rises just fucking fine.

So I was like a fucking road king would just be a lateral move.

So I was like, fuck, I guess I mean, like I just treat this new chopper idea

like a, like a new build, you know, if I want to take out a loan for it, I can

and do my own, you know, do it all at once kind of thing.

Yeah.

Otherwise it's pretty fucking cheap.

So tax season came around.

So, you know, we got some new Dayton's in the form of a 2009 drive train

EVO chopper.

So a 1999.

Yeah.

99 motor and trans I'm assuming.

And then the it's got a Kraft tech frame, but I mean, it's pretty much

right where I wanted to be.

As far as I was saying, I did all the research with y'all and kind of, you know,

asked what I needed to get into it with.

I think an EVO chop was just kind of the move for me.

Yeah.

As someone that doesn't fabricate as well yet, hopefully, but maybe down the road.

But even if not, it's something that I can.

Do you think that like that?

Getting this bike opens up that idea of wanting to make more things like,

Oh, yeah.

Instead of like, instead of just not saying this is bad, but instead of just

being like, okay, I need to, I need to say what to buy all those parts from said

brand that just bolt on, like there's this aspect of.

No, that definitely that part's been cool already with just a little

stuff done and just the amount of freedom you have with a, with an actual

chopper is, I feel like there's more.

You just make it work.

It's been pretty fucking cool on that end.

But just to do something a little, make it a little harder to ride.

You know, uh, hard tail and all that and just, you know, try and go down a

different lane with it, experience this portion of Harley stuff.

Yeah.

You know, it seems like a lot of the chopper guys are kind of branched off into

like adventure bikes and all kinds of stuff like that.

So it's like, which is cool too.

You know, they're just like, they've been doing the chopper stuff for as long as

we've been doing performance motorcycle stuff.

You know, you can only do it for so long.

All right.

Let me not to say you won't stop doing it.

You just, you know, I'm trying this out.

Different experience, right?

100%.

You know, so I'm just getting into it.

So it's all, I mean, I'm getting the point.

I'm, I'm, I'm at the point where I can get the bike started and take it down the road,

but it's, it needs some love for sure.

Well, that process of, of like learning how to start it and stuff, like, what's

your take on that as far as is it, is it annoying?

Is it, is it kind of like.

Definitely frustrating.

Trying to kick it over, but I have a feeling it, but I can get it kicked over.

You know what I mean?

There's, I mean, I haven't been defeated by it threshold where you feel like you

can't get it started.

Yeah.

But I, and I still am learning the way to get it honed in.

So I still even got that portion done.

And there may be stuff I change that helps that.

Um, but for the most part, it seems fine right now.

I haven't really had time or the bike.

I don't know.

It'll ride.

I can take it anywhere right now, I think, but that.

It's just, there's a few things I want to change before I'm actually comfortable

like taking it out further than where I have.

So, but I mean, I, like I said, I just got the bike.

So it's, it's still pretty, pretty new.

So, uh, but yeah, I'm excited to do stuff on it this year for sure.

I definitely want to rip it out, especially later on in the year, just

some places on it.

Um, we'll see how it goes.

I mean, and the thing with my soft tail is it's always there for me to ride.

Yeah.

If like I said, if a fucking, you know, God forbid anytime soon, but if the motor

blows on that thing, it's another 2,500 bucks off marketplace, I can get a brand

new 14 and slap it right back in there and just keep your own truck and something

like that bikes good.

So I'm like, I don't really need another, I have no desire for a new bike right now.

So, and we'll see, maybe down the road, but I'm really enjoying the chopper thing

right now.

That's just cool.

It seems like there's a lot of facets to it that makes it where there's

this aspect of, or a facet of it that is actually riding it.

That is an experience of fulfillment, right?

Yeah.

There's this facet of customizing it.

There's this facet of learning about the history of all the things in the

culture behind it.

And there's like, not to say that that doesn't exist in performance,

motorcycles and other things, but I think to your point, what you just said was

like after doing it for the last nine years, essentially seven years, eight

years, whatever.

It's like, man, you, you want a new experience, you know, and yeah, that's,

that's one of the biggest, that's the best way to answer the questions I've

been getting the most over the last like six months is, and even before that, I

remember when I bought the low rider ST and I was riding that and how many guys

hit me up.

They had road glides.

They kind of wanted a new experience, but what I realized at the time is they

wanted, they wanted a new bike, but they wanted it to do the same thing that

the other bike did.

Kind of like, I don't, they didn't want to give up some level of comfort or

luxury, right?

And I think that the best way to describe this direction or say, if you've only

had road glides, you decide to build an FXR or an old dyna or something like

that, it's about building a different experience.

Like make it do something differently than the bikes that you have to, you

know, like, you know, carbureted bikes or, you know, you know, whatever, just

something to give you a different feeling.

And, and they, they truly feel different when you ride these bikes.

Like that my evil FXR down there, like it's one of my favorite feeling bikes to

ride.

It's not anywhere near as fast as the road glide.

Obviously, or even my FXR chopper, but it feels fucking good.

Sounds good.

The way it just feels, you know, and you know, that it's one of those things

that like, I kind of understand that now that like, you know, if you're into

multiple, like say you're not even like a brand loyalist, like, like you're only

Harley, if you're into all bikes, I understand the concept of, I would like

to have a bike to go right off road.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Or something like that.

But if they actually rode him off road sometimes.

He takes my car.

Well, I mean, like the, the venture bike is a good analogy as well, because

yeah, it's a different experience on a motorcycle.

Totally different.

You know, there's a lot of dudes around adventure bike older guys.

And they're all dorks.

Every one of them venturing so much, but they get them fishing, like just as

things to get down to the lake or the fishing hole or whatever.

Yeah.

I see that a lot where it's, yeah, they're not out trying to, you know, smash

trails or anything.

It's just something that they can go where their truck, where their truck can't

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I mean, I'm not opposed to it.

Obviously I wouldn't mind having some kind of like off road trip, but like,

I'm just, I didn't, I have no experience on the dirt.

So it's like very foreign to me.

You know, I didn't grow up on dirt bikes.

Um, I never had a desire to ride dirt bikes.

So, uh, there have been like, I've watched like videos of people doing some

like, you know, going to South America or doing like trails in America across the

country, they look kind of fun, you know, the different experience, but I don't

know that I want to fully invest that direction.

You know, yeah, I'd like to get a dirt bike.

It's specifically probably like a four stroke, like a trails bike.

Yeah.

Not to go hit crazy trails, but to go up to like Munster, Red River, be able to

just kind of go off road, not no tracks, nothing like that.

I don't want to.

Yeah.

Red Mesa paycheck.

No, no, definitely not that.

Um, but yeah, that's how I started riding.

It is fun riding in the woods and stuff like that.

Um, I wouldn't, but it's priorities.

And that's just a couple of, got a couple of shorties I want to get on two

wheels before I start buying stuff for myself.

Yeah.

I feel like a 100% poser in that world.

I just thought I posed you're just, I'm not trying to be whoever the current

national hair scramble champion is.

I just want to get out here and ride because I'm tired of riding, you know,

it's, you know, I ride the street all the time.

I just want to get out here and ride around in the woods for a little bit.

I think it will kind of also further in Kyle's point, it's like, uh, you know,

like we've all ridden a lot of these roads here and we've ridden a lot of roads

across America, but like this, like riding a chopper, even if I did it on the FXR,

it just, it's a different, oh, for sure.

It's a different, like I'm going at like, like riding the chopper to California

for born free, hopefully, you know, Lord willing, like that I'm excited for that.

Even though I've ridden that probably a hundred times on multiple bikes and I've

done it like, like I'm trying to just race there.

I've done it like trying to go slow and I'm going to go at a pace.

I've never traveled the country before, which could, you know, for some people

that that might be an extremely annoying thing, but for me, I'm like really stoked

about it.

You know what I mean?

I always wondered, I was talking with a buddy who's picking up his tinge yesterday

and we were talking about some stuff and I'm like, why does it seem like when I've

got my van, it has no amenities.

It's not comfortable to like my Jeep or has none of that stuff, but I drive it

slow and I'm just chilling and I enjoy it and I'm just cruising it like your old

school, right?

Chopper, it's not comfortable.

It's not this is not that I just cruise it and I enjoy it.

But then I get on the things that are comfortable and I fucking haul ass.

Like I can't wait to get out of it or off of it.

Like I don't, I haven't figured out that, that, that thought process in my head

right now yet.

Like why is that?

Why I should want to be on the roadline more because it's comfortable.

So why am I in such a hurry to get everywhere on it?

Yeah, but it's, it's comfortable.

Or maybe because it's a hand.

You know what I mean?

Like there's certain spots where, you know, cruising, you know, I'm going to work

or whatever it's, if I'm cruising, that's 80, 85, just got a feeling.

There are certain bikes that feels, you know what I mean?

They're, it's just a whole different style.

That is, that is a good point because the road glide, if you're not in six gear,

like 85 ish, it just feels like you're in this weird purgatory.

Yeah, you're kind of holding it up or something like that.

It just doesn't feel right.

Like 90 on a road glide, especially like the inmates, stuff like that.

That's perfect cruise speed in my opinion.

Yeah.

And some of it's kind of where you're at and who you're with.

I think it was our first year at Sturgis at some point where I think

heading back to the campground or we're heading somewhere.

I guess I got a little behind and I just got one of those fucking, dude,

I'm not right.

Like I don't want to ride fast right now.

I ended up not linking up, but ended up cruising.

You know, I don't know if it was dead, whatever, but some of the Sturgis riding

next to a couple old dudes on my air digest and stuff.

It was just one, not every day.

I like, you know, we all liked to jam, but it was just for whatever reason that day.

I got back, I was like, I feel it was badass.

I could do this.

So it was just, you know, these beers are blowing the wind and it was just

a different style.

I was like, hell yeah, but there's times where it feels criminal to go

less than like 80, 85.

So yeah, changes, I think I'm moving, but different bike would exponentially

affect that 100%.

Yeah.

I feel like everything that it is all like this, uh, this growing into the old

versions of ourselves and all the shit that we, all the hell you have brothers

should be making fun of for 10 years.

It's like, we're slowly becoming that in every kind of way.

It's like, no matter what, the old folks had it figured out and that's just

basically looking at them as like, that's the path that we'll be down.

You know what I mean?

We're on heritage is when I did that, uh, when I did that hog thing, like the

people that I talked to there, you know, a lot of them were 60 plus years old,

right?

But a lot of them were like fucking laying down miles, like all like, like 50,000

miles this year already.

You know what I mean?

Just crazy how much they ride, but it's like there are, a lot of them are

retired and they chose to do their retirement retirement.

Oh, we'd want to get in the old lady, put them on the back or their old

lady has the bike too, and they're riding next to each other and they're

just visiting parts of the country on the bikes.

I mean, we've ran into these people on our trips before, you know, I think we

ran into a group of folks once.

Remember we were at the tree tunnel and like legged or something like that.

And somebody pulled up from like Pennsylvania on like some gold wings or

some shit and we were talking to them for a minute.

Yeah.

I don't know.

One thing you see fairly often at the shop too, especially as it gets like

now, like riding weather, you know, last month or so, when it's people coming

in on trips and sometimes it's awesome stories.

Just their life, you know, kind of how they got to this point and the trip

they're doing.

I mean, sometimes it's just inspiring.

Yeah.

Bad ass.

This is why I'm here.

That's this thing.

Yeah.

Dude, this is awesome.

And then some people do shitty trips too, where it's like whatever.

Yeah.

I don't know.

It's the older I get.

It's all preference, right?

Yeah.

What you want to do is just leave me alone.

Well, another point that I think I was talking about in the podcast with

Graham is that like having the road glide and when I'm on it, like I don't look

at like a 150 mile radius of Dallas, Fort Worth as anywhere I want to be on that

bike, right?

It's more like, well, I'd rather rip this to a big bend, you know what I mean?

Or something like that.

But on the chopper, it's like, Oh shit, there's a lot of cool shit in 150 miles.

And like it's kind of like getting me to look at the roads around here a lot

differently and thinking about like just ripping those on a weekend thing.

And it's just open my eyes to like different shit that I've been overlooking.

And I'm not trying to like paint the road glide as bad and the chopper as good at

all.

That's not what I'm trying to get.

I'm just saying like perspective wise for someone that's like finding this new

thing in the chopper stuff.

Or just like in the old bikes in general, just slower bikes, whatever, like

finding that shit is just new and open it up to me as opposed to like, I've just

not, I've never been around this shit my whole life, but I've just never focused

on any of this.

And you've got an emotional connection that you've never had.

Well, maybe not never.

You've built some cool bikes, but you're at that point where you're doing more and

more like the average.

Are we talking about for, you know, checking in on the stuff you're doing more and

more stuff where it's dude, what a connect.

Like I almost like I'm going to kid, you know what I mean?

Like way deeper of a connection with these bikes.

So yeah, there, it's a totally different feeling than, than the road glides.

Awesome.

It is.

And it's stoked.

It is on the opportunity.

Man, there's, I can't, I don't know.

I can't speak on it, but I can only imagine what it's like to build, you know,

to ride something that you did yourself.

I mean, yeah, kind of the epitome of, I think of everybody's, you know, even if

they don't admit it, every dude's somewhere inside of them wants to build something.

I think, I hope.

I know I do.

Um, so yeah, I totally get that on finding beauty and smaller stuff.

You know what I mean?

You're around town, but it's just like a different perspective.

Yeah.

It's really a different perspective.

Yeah.

Almost like, uh, probably a bad analogy, but like a, like a different girlfriend or

wife or spouse or whatever, you know, there's some things you do with somebody.

Yeah.

And you do it the same thing with somebody else.

And it's just, this is awesome.

I missed this the first time I didn't get it.

Some of it may be where you're at age, maturity, all that, you know, it's.

Everything is a mixture of whatever at the time.

Jamie's trying to suck toes.

You know, I don't really fuck with toes that much.

Yeah.

I'll take them and I'll pop them.

You know, the last year and a half or essentially, I would probably say the last

year it's been like one billed after the other, right?

So it's like, it was the brown FXR and then immediately the purple chopper.

And then I had like a little breather and then it was this blue FXR.

And so now that I'm staring at the end of that build, you know, hopefully at the

end of this week, he'll, he'll be riding at home.

Um, it's like, I really want to ride places.

And you know what?

Like I used to, I was thinking about this too, how, you know, we would plan our

big trips, like we'd always like.

And again, this isn't like bad or I'm not saying this is bad.

I'm just saying like we focused on Maine, Washington, like, you know, 2000 plus

miles away kind of stuff.

And we never really did much in Texas.

You know, we never really rode.

I don't think we've ridden big Ben as a group of friends ever.

I don't think, I honestly don't even think as many times I've ridden to California

and on itin, I think I've done it with you on the way home from California.

That year, but I don't think I've ever done it with Kyle or the rest of the boys

at all, you know, and that's, that's crazy.

A chance was with us, you know?

Um, but so, so I guess what I'm getting at is it now that like, all right, well,

I do want to push this chopper to California.

I want to have that experience.

I want to be on this bike on PCH in these, this place that I revere as like the

Mecca of motorcycling, right?

On a bike that at one point in time with some raw metal on my lift.

You know what I mean?

Like to me, like that's like a full circle, come full circle on a bike, right?

Yeah.

If that's not kind of the in, you know what I mean?

Like that's bad as shit, dude.

Like that is top of the heap, whatever.

I mean, just in my opinion, some of the coolest shit you can do.

It's cool to ride a motorcycle anyway, right?

Yeah.

But you just, like I said, exponentially cool or something you built and

something you had a hand in creating.

There's also like that, that element of like, I'm, there's a big part of my, if

I, if it wouldn't have broke down on the way to Austin at that time, my confidence

would be through the roof.

I'm like, yeah, I'm riding California to be, it'll be easy.

No big deal.

But because I have gone on that bike and I did have to get it trailer at home.

Now I have a bit of like, is this thing going to, is this going to work?

Is this going to happen?

Honestly, talking to Graham and when he told me about his trip, when he did, uh,

LD oblo on his by going to like Moab first and then back down and he's essentially

got the same setup as I do, you know, motor transmission stuff.

So it's like, all right, it's doable.

Obviously I knew it was doable, but when you know someone that's done it personally,

it like kind of gives you a little bit more of a confidence boost or whatever.

But that's the other part of that bike is it, it isn't as simple as turning it on

and making sure it's got gas and oil.

You got to kind of, you got to, I fuck it down after every gas stop.

Every, you know, every night needs to, you need to go through a checklist of things

just to make sure nothing's starting to get a little loose or, uh, you know,

whatever the case may be.

Like you have to be on it.

It's not like a, it's just not a button bike.

Basically.

And that leads to what you were saying, you know, we're doing these big trips.

We're all on bikes.

If something happens for a hundred, 200 miles worst case, probably from a local

Harley shop, it's get it in there and we're getting on the list and we're

getting back on the road versus totally different.

You know, you could run into something that potentially be a trip ender, you

know, on day 12 or three or whenever, and that's, it's different.

Scary, but it's, you, you're done so much tougher than that.

I would, I would never trade any of the things that we've done on the bikes

that we've done it on, you know, and I, and I'm, you know, like I, I'm gonna,

so Sturgis is going to be the road glide since initially I wanted to ride the

road glide to born free.

Well, I'm still waiting on parts from certain companies and because this bike

bill got pushed another, basically an extra month to finish it.

Like I initially wanted to ride the chopper to, to El Diablo.

That was like the, the event I wanted to do, but it is kind of cool.

Now, hopefully that I can trade that for born free Cali, you know, um, and then,

you know, I, I'm starting to kind of put together a whole plan to hang out with

the, you know, Gabe, Law Tires Gabe and a bunch of the homies down in San Diego.

We might go into Mexico, do some stuff, make it like a 22 and a half week

trip, but do born free, get podcasts done.

And then like also try to like record and make a YouTube video of the journey

or wherever the fuck it is.

You know what I mean?

That's the other thing that's like different now is like, you know, want

to do these trips and capture it and show it.

And I think I've said it last time we did this podcast where it's like, man,

I really wish I would have had that shit dialed while we were doing our bigger

trips.

Oh, all of us, I mean, all of us, we've got some of the most awesome shit, not

better than anybody, but I can compare it to a bunch of motherfuckers.

I really know I've done way, it doesn't make me any better, but I've done

cooler shit than you did.

And I hate that most of it's in a phone that never really got shared.

Yeah.

We had fun while we were doing it, stories and stuff.

James went through the effort of doing the recap videos, like writing only videos.

And there was so much more to it than just the writing that yeah, for sure.

Wish I still got it all.

Something I could do.

Hey, here's a throwback to whatever.

I got just where we were in our, I got, I recorded almost the entire, we did

the whole like 29 days thing on the road.

I recorded a lot of that.

There's just not any like, all right guys, we're here at the Golden Gate Bridge.

Like there's not a lot of that.

I was really struggling at that time to, and I still struggle with that here

and there to be able to be vocal on them.

Like sometimes it's easier just to capture a lot of shit.

And then I'll do a voiceover or something on it later.

But when you have context in the moment, it gives the story of much more depth.

I think a little bit more, you could, it feels more connective to the people.

Cause whatever you say is like the way you feel right then.

Now you could come back to that feeling and do a voiceover and really polish your

words, but it's not raw anymore.

You know what I mean?

So it's like hard to talk into a camera.

Yeah.

Just not talking to someone just physically looking at the like the

little reflective screen that's facing you.

There's also still like a, for me, I'm still dealing with, um, if I had a

beer to me, then I, my, uh, social anxiety of it goes out the window.

I'm like, oh, we're here.

It cooks corner.

It's a fucking blast.

Do you see this?

Like I can do that.

Or I can be at a restaurant or whatever.

And we're like, nerd now with our friends.

But if I'm by myself and I'm going across country and I'm like, all right,

I'm going to sit down in this RB's and tell everybody what I just did.

I'm more like, all right, uh, so I just, it's, it's like, it's scary to me.

I have no idea why.

Well, but what it's worth, the vlogs have been fucking killer.

Like over the last year, I don't know.

I've told you this is a person, but do they get better and better and better?

Like your vlogs are awesome.

Just as good as thrashing my opinion.

Like it's you two dudes that have the, the, the stranglehold on that type of media.

I don't, but there may be people doing it.

I, they're not in my, uh, whatever.

There's a lot of really great like YouTubers out there.

They're like doing stuff.

But I think as, as I have a long way to go to get better at being on camera, you

know what I mean?

Like, like Cruz, he kills it with his personality and, and what they do.

And, you know, the dynamic of Lance and, um, and Juan is awesome.

And also like them getting into choppers as well.

Like I probably, when I go to Cal, I'll probably hang out with them a little bit,

do a podcast with, with Lance and them.

And I'm going to ask them the same thing.

It's like, cause it, you know, we talked about this on the grand podcast too,

but it feels like a lot of our world performance motorcycle dudes, it seems

like a lot of them are either going chopper or going FXR right now.

You know what I mean?

Well, just like I said, you know, those dudes have been doing it as it's just a

natural, you know, we've talked about that before, how guys go in and out of

hobbies and there's dudes that get into motorcycles for a few years and then

they're deer hunter guys for a few years and then they're boat guy and whatever.

Um, so that makes sense that, you know, the stage two low rider ST is not going

to make your heart beat the same way forever.

It's just not.

So I think that just, you know, you're, and those are dudes that the industry

guys that do it did truly day in, day out.

They're, you know, you're going to sleep thinking about bikes.

You're waking up the shit where I used to hear, I wish I had to get away from

bikes, like I was still immersed in bikes, but it's, you know, those people, it

makes sense.

Why, you know, you only get so much time before what, what else can I do to move

the needle?

Cause all this stuff you just have to evolve, I guess is the word.

Yeah.

There's always like, to your point of like moving the needle, there's like, I, I

net, I for sure never uncovered all the potential like possibilities of riding

performance motorcycles.

I never did turbos.

I never, you know, built an all out crazy motor.

I never, you know, there's so many things I did not experience, but the

things that I did experience, they, they've, they're a part of my like the

way I do a lot of things now, the, the friends, the people, the way we ride, the

places we would go, like all that shit's never going to change.

Like, I don't ever see myself riding a road glide with, with A-pangers.

Like it's just not my thing.

Like I, no matter what, I'm always going to be kind of a, I feel like I'm always

going to like the way that I would set up a road glide is kind of always going to

be that way.

Right.

But that's also where it gets kind of like, um, a little, uh, what's the word?

Like a little repetitive.

Yeah.

Cause remember you were saying while ago, you were like, man, you know, I could, I

could, you know, there's great employee discounts right now on Harleys.

I could get on a low rudder ST or something like that.

And he, but you're like, I got my shit dialed in.

So you would just be kind of like dialing this one in the same way.

Yeah.

To me, and I know this is not for everybody, but like for me, I find joy in figuring

out what that is, what that, what is my dialed in on this.

And I think that over the course of building a few road glides, once I finally

dialed in this is the perfect setup.

It becomes a little, there's nothing done cover here anymore.

Right.

Like the, like I want to, I want to feel like there's something I need to do to

this bike to give it that next thing, but it's like, I got my road glides dialed

in perfectly for me to just rip and run.

And then it's like, all right.

Well, I need a little friction here.

I need some kind of challenge.

I need to feel like something.

I need to feel like I need more required of me to do this.

You were focused on like reliability on that aspect rather than the, as you said,

the turbo, you go into a whole different side of it where it could,

something could go wrong on a trip because you have an excess part that's not

normally on an average motorcycle.

Yeah.

Well, then there's also something about like certain genres or styles of bikes.

Right.

You can convince me the cruiser low rider or you can convince me really anything

isn't better with T bars.

That being said, if I built a Vickla, you know what I mean?

A cholo bike.

Yeah, I'll do the whatever.

No, I'm, I'm, I'm good.

Like as far as a road glide with meat hooks, fuck that.

No, dude.

Except if I fucking kill myself, if something goes on a bike style

wise, I'm not going to put T bars on a cholo deluxe.

Uh, how you people are going to know how hard you are, but as far as you just do,

it's like that we figured like this worked.

You know what I mean?

This works.

Yeah.

What if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

It's one of those unless it's a certain style, you're going for this look that.

So, but anything I ride casually, you know, consistently that kind of, I, I,

T bar tips, you know, for right now, that's, that's my, I'm still in love with it.

I haven't gotten over it.

Haven't, whatever.

Well, I'm still in that same boat where like there's a part of me that wants,

like I want to build a chopper like Haney's, his a pink one that has like,

you know, small wassel tank, a pangers fucking, you know, the seat was that.

Look at that.

That's such a custom thing that for sure.

Do, do, there's a feeling like that in that that bike feels a certain way.

And I, I, there's a part of me that wants that feeling, right?

And honestly, when I was building my bike, the purple one, the chop,

I kind of was going that direction, but like, I like T bars.

I like this and, and everything that I've kind of felt like I'd already done in

like FX ours and stuff kind of found its way to this bike in, in a former fashion.

Right.

Um, so I'm also in that world, like there's like six different choppers I want to

build.

There's like, I kind of want to do another FX offer myself.

Obviously I'm going to have to sell the brown one and it'll probably be a bike

down the line, but the things I've done on this blue FXR for the, the guy Cody

that I've built it for, like, I kind of want to do that shit for myself now on a

bike, like it's fucking sick.

Like, like I would see it more as I would like to build a modern FXR, kind of

like how Corey has done, you know, I don't know if it would do inmates or what

not, but like part of me wants to do an image just to say I've done it.

You know, just that is exciting.

It's so great to hear.

I can't tell, I can't pinpoint like the time, but just being friends with you for

seven or eight years almost like I've seen you just not bought them out, but

like, like inspiration is.

Yeah.

I guess I'm kind of need something new.

Nothing's moving the needle.

So to, to see you find something and then fuck, you know, do the, do the J thing to

it.

It's dope dude.

Just as a friend.

So like, here's about you.

Cause I have seen you like my, I think at one point you asked, am I done with

bikes?

Like, do I want another hobby?

Just you take it to perform.

It's, so it's cool to see you.

And I don't, I said, I look up to both of you guys.

I'm so proud of you and happy for you.

Um, but everybody's somewhere in their journey.

So all you're doing is setting it up for other people to see and you, there is

life past your T barred out road glide.

Yeah.

Whether you want it or not, but let's, yeah.

Look, I was telling him to the day it's the chopper.

You see your best friends doing something.

Obviously you want to do it.

I got Ricky at the shotgun.

Let's fuck it.

Let's all do choppers too.

Like he's had one before, but like I was telling cause of the day, there is the,

the learning part.

You guys already know so much more about it that it's like, I'm learning from,

I'm starting from so much, not that I won't do it one day, but right now I still

need a reliability and just priorities and everything.

It's, I can't start that I want to one day, but it ain't right now.

Yeah.

I was telling him, I don't mind.

We've been doing chopper events since we all met Southern throwdown.

Eddie, gritty.

We've all been, you know, now y'all, some of y'all are just getting on choppers,

but we've been doing this.

So there's not for me.

There's no like, Oh, I did it.

I got a, yeah, you're gonna fit in or anything.

Yeah.

It's, I'll, somebody needs something from Harbor freight.

All right.

I guess on the gown, the image soft tail going to get it, but it's, it's again,

that the bikes are conduit, their parts or whatever, just and hate, you know,

there's, we're all friends.

We're all hanging out.

We're going to fuck.

What if it's going to be in a sidecar or it doesn't matter inside the bar?

We're still doing the same shit.

So I'm happy for you guys.

Envious, like in a positive way, and I'll get there one day, but I'm just enjoying

watching the show.

And I think a lot of fucking people are too.

Yeah.

I mean, I do generally think a lot of people are looking for they're in that

same boat, like, I mean, something to be wrong again.

Like, I know it sounds like I'm, I'm harping on like baggers and stuff like

that.

And I'm really not, it's just something new.

You know what I mean?

And like even, you know, I'm going to fix up the bagger.

We're going to, I'm going to do Sturgis with it.

Um, you know, we were trying to do a little bit of an extended version of

Sturgis like we did in 2020 and, um, with Jacob and whoever else wants to go

on that one.

And I'm, I'm actually genuinely excited about that because that's a trip where

we were probably going to be able to do a glacier and I've done glacier, but

you know, not, but I got to deal with Bruce and Hans, which are two of my

favorite people, but I would like to do it with you and, and Jacob and

whoever else ends up going.

So in that trip, I think it's more about the trip than it is about the bike.

As opposed to like the born free on the chopper is kind of a born free is just

part of like me riding that chopper to Cali.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Um, I'm, I'm more interested in the experience of riding that bike to California

than anything I'm doing in California.

So even though, you know, not to downplay born free or any of that shit, but you

know, it's one of the things you've, you've done enough times where it's hard

to get worked up now for it.

But as you're getting closer and closer, it's you'll, you'll get fired up.

We all do about certain stuff like that.

Well, all the, all the things that I'm wanting to learn as well, like as far as

learning how to fabricate certain things and hopefully soon getting into

learning some machining, like those are things I just want to know how to do.

Like I, you know, it's, it's watching Corey run a lay than a mill.

I'm like, God damn this dude's way bigger man than I am.

Like it feels like he runs a heavy machinery, dude.

Like that's kind of like a, I want to be able to do stuff like that.

I want to be able to, you know, I ever since Corey's been teaching me stuff

the goal has always been to get to a point to where I don't have to call him.

You know, and right now, like it doesn't bother me too.

I'm proud to say the things that Corey does for the bike set that, that we

build together in a sense, like I'm not ashamed of that in any kind of way, but

I want to be able to be at that point where, you know, instead of me going,

hey, dude, I'm bringing the bike out so we can make wheel spacers.

I'm like, Hey man, check out these wheel spacers I made.

Like that's to me, that's a level up that I'm trying to get to now.

You know what I'm saying?

And it's awesome.

Learning shit.

That's inspiring too.

Yeah.

I mean, just anybody to be able to hum, humble yourself, you know, any man to

go, I don't, you know, that's awesome.

I feel like that's, that is manhood shit, especially in a world industry, whatever.

There's so much machismo and whatever that's to go.

Yeah, dude, I don't know at all.

I'm fucking, that's, that's life.

That's, that's all there is.

And shows you're growing as a person and all that good stuff.

But yeah, possibly it can be more happy for you guys.

Yeah.

College needs about a welder start welding shit.

Yeah.

That's a down the road.

I need a weld first.

I need to, uh, so Kenny just got his welder power run to his garage and everything.

He's lives 20 minutes from me, 30 minutes from me.

So, so a long way.

Close enough for me to go fucking practice some welding.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

So if I got the means to do it, it's better than an hour and a half to your

place.

Yeah.

Not an hour and a half.

It's about an hour, I guess.

Oh yeah.

But yeah, turn everything off to use it.

Yeah.

Turn all the lights off.

Yeah.

I unplugged the fridge.

Yeah.

I don't mind learning it.

I do, I eventually do it myself, but I would like to like make sure of something

I do what I do before I go buy a bunch of fucking shit.

Well, I can do everything else.

Yeah.

Dude, the way you did the rerouted all the wiring and did the battery box stuff.

I'm like, dude, that's sick.

That's, that's those things that the chopper allows.

Right.

It's like, okay, I have a problem here.

How do I fix it?

And there's multiple ways you could have fixed that and done that.

But the way you chose is yours.

You did it.

And it might not, you might not open it.

It's a bunch of billet or something like that.

But you can say, look, that was something that didn't exist that I created to solve

this problem.

And that's where I feel like right now that's where I get my rocks off.

I guess maybe it's analogy or whatever you would say.

It's out of that whole day.

I was like, ready to go to work and build it instead of doing what I'm supposed to

be doing.

It's like you sent me the photos.

You're like, yo, check this out.

Yeah.

That was one of those.

This bigger guy with a button by, you know, watching, I love Jacob

Canard's one of my favorite followers.

He's always working on something and a lot of it.

I don't even know, but it's, that was awesome watching him because I could

know in college as well as I do.

I could tell like, he was excited.

Like I could just tell with, with each story.

I was like, dude, I'm so happy.

He's pumped in his garage.

He's having a fucking bad ass day.

Like hell yeah.

There's so many things still that I don't know.

And that's kind of one of those deals that as I, it immersed myself more and

more and more around other knowledgeable builders and people in this culture.

You start to see this stuff becomes more familiar.

You start to understand what you're looking at.

And I've said this a lot before on the podcast for sure that before I started

the first time I go to a swap meet, I'm like, I don't know what the fuck any of

this stuff is.

I don't know where it goes.

Like I know everything about a road glide and FXR, you know, softels, you know,

inmate stuff dinas, but when you're looking at stuff for choppers, you're like,

I have no idea what the hell this thing is.

Oh, it's a, it's, it's the bottom plate for a horseshoe oil bag that holds.

Like I didn't, how would I've known?

Like until you start like hands on these things, it opens up and then when you

get a swap meet, now I see the lore of it.

You know what I mean?

I can walk around and see something and go, Oh shit, I'm probably going to need

something like that on the next bike.

You know, or different types.

There's, there's just so much to, to like learn.

And I think that that's, that's fun.

And, you know, when the performance bagger thing was, was kind of evolving and growing,

you know, being with Kyle and Steve Chamberlain and my machinist and Daniel at

proper baggers and all these other people that were kind of pushing that envelope.

We were discovering things and learning how to do things.

And, you know, there wasn't like a thrashing catalog of parts that you

could throw bars on.

There was, you know, you were makeshift stuff to make things work.

Right.

And so it's cool that that, that industry has come along and solved all those

problems that were around at the beginning.

Yeah.

But again, the problems I think is what makes things exciting is figuring out

how to solve them for some, for some people, 100%.

For sure.

For me, I think that's what it is.

That's what attracted me to the performance, the agriculture.

That's what has always attracted me to FXRs because they're so modular and they

can be so many different ways.

And that's ultimately what's pushed me into this chopper side is that there's

so many directions you can take it and it's not the ones wrong or right.

You know, I was telling Jason, I'll show you this last night, you know,

cause you remember like in the early day, especially with the podcast, when I used

to really harp on like it's not a performance bagger unless it has T bars,

you know, like I was always trying to say, look, the

performance bagger stuff is the style of bike and your big wheel bagger with,

you know, a 120 R motor and a turbo, it has a lot of the things that happen in

the performance bagger scene, but you're not, the style isn't there.

And the same thing is like in the chopper world, their chopper is a very

all encompassing umbrella word that a lot of bikes fit under.

But the style of choppers, Ochoa and Haney and, and Graham and, and, you know,

all, like all the people that we know of those style of choppers are riding,

aren't the style of choppers that like Jesse James is building, right?

Completely different worlds.

A lot of crossover, but not the same thing.

You know what I mean?

So that's kind of the point that I was always trying to make with the

performance bagger stuff back in the day.

It's like, look, I get it.

You see the same parts on the same bikes, but they're not the same style.

You know, whatever.

I don't know why I got into that, but it makes sense.

It's a good analogy, but that's kind of where it's at in the chopper thing.

Like they're, you know, Kyle's got the Evo.

I really want to do an Evo chopper.

Like I'm, I'm not a period correct, you know, like I, not yet.

I maybe not.

Maybe that is an evolution.

You get to a point where like, okay, it's harder to have a period correct bike.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, maybe there's a challenge in that that I want to, I want to do.

But right now I, I'm in love with the ergonomics of a hardtail of

jockey shifting of the way that those bikes make you feel riding.

I'm in love with that.

And I'm in love with the way I feel on the bike.

An Evo chop was kind of originally going to be the direction I was going to go.

But I want to, the next bike for sure, that's going to be mine.

It'll be another chopper, probably an Evo.

And we were kind of talking about, I figured we could talk about it here.

It's like, I want to ride Mexico next year.

That's like, yeah, that's my next trip.

I want to do a real Mexico trip.

Like, you know, after, you know, having Chris Zimlo on and he'll talking about it

on his way to do Mexico and then following him, do the Mexico trip.

I'm like, all right, do fuck it.

Oh, then Mexico.

And you were in it.

Yeah.

I flew there, but it was cool seeing him rip through it with just, I don't know,

seeing him deal with like fucking just a language barrier and everything.

Just, I was just trying to order tacos and I was having trouble.

I shouldn't say that I was with two Mexicans that spoke Spanish.

So I was, I was good to go.

I had no problems over in Mexico City flying there.

Haven't watching him do it.

Just fucking ripping through random ass, God awful roads and shit.

Yeah, it looked like such, but it was so sick.

So it's the fear of it is what's attracting me to it.

Right.

The fear of like, you know, man, like, I guess it's maybe, maybe it's the envelope.

Right.

Like we've done PCA.

Can you grab that other beer for me when you come back up?

Were you going down?

Okay.

Um, the fear of going over there and, and riding through those spots and, you know,

doing what kind of essentially the same thing, riding the mainland down, then

taking the ferry across and then riding the Baja up to San Diego and then coming

back around.

Yeah.

I'm doing what Dan did.

Yeah.

Basically doing what Dan did.

And then all the dudes I'm going to go ride with in San Diego, like Gabe and all

them, I told him about the idea and he's down, but I was like, this is what we

should do.

You guys should ride to Texas.

Like say we rode together and we all met at like Big Bend, right?

It's kind of halfway, a little bit more close to us, but we all rode to Big

Bend and then we all crossed through and like Presidio together and did the

mainland, Mexico or whatever.

Yeah, but we'd still be dropping them off basically on the way back.

Yeah.

So that's like we're both doing the same.

Like they're coming to Texas and then riding in the Mexico and then we're

going to San Diego.

Drop off earlier.

We did that.

Yeah.

Come back late.

So I want to do it bad, but I want to build.

I mean, I, if, if the purple bike is just tits dialed, I'll take that, but I

kind of want to build an Evo chop.

Like talk.

Yeah.

That's what I'm waiting for.

I wait for mine to be pulled.

It's going to come.

No, it will take time.

It's like when I did my sports.

I was like, just, yeah, I was just riding it down the road and it's like

coughing on me.

I'm like, I'm done.

Dude.

It's like what you were saying, like heading out to California and like,

you're like, I'm like scared.

That's the thing.

It's like the road provides all the times that I rode my sporty chopper out to

Born Free.

I did it six times over the path, like over six years.

Yeah.

And so it's like a lot of the times I just did it solo and then I brought back

Jake one time he lost the kickstand and then like, you know, it's all the, the

entirety of the time was where am I going to put my bike?

All right.

Yeah.

It's going to lead it up against the building.

Yeah.

And then like we would pull it to a gas station and I had a flat tire and we're

like dead center between Tucson and Phoenix.

And I'm like, I got to find a dirt bike shop, but also you're like, you were

talking about like, I'm scared because like you want to be close to a dealership.

Like Jaden was saying, but think about these dealerships now.

It's like, they won't even work on all the bikes.

Yeah.

I'm not looking for that.

Just you want to be close to towns that have access to things like things like

a Riley's, you know, like O'Reilly's fucking things like that.

You know, and when you go out West, like the, the scarcity of what's available,

like, like Pecos taxes, it has quite a bit, but like you get down to Van Horn.

There's nothing, bro.

It's a, it's a love.

There's a loves.

There's literally a loves and a can buy a CB, right behind the

and some window cleaner.

But even like, you know, a lot of problems, I think on the road, you

could still solve at like a truck stop.

Yeah.

You know, like,

That's what, like when going into building this EVO chop, that's the reason

I want an EVO chop is because it's a little bit easier to find parts for.

And the stuff I'm doing to it to build it the way I want is going to make

it towards convenient to work on.

It's easy.

Yeah.

I'm not trying to put some goofy ass fucking bullshit on it.

That's super complicated.

Just a simple carburetor, simple.

We have a tire, simple break, simple.

You know, I'm not trying to find some fucking off the wall.

Fuck the fact that it has a sproter on there drives me nuts.

It's the dumbest.

It's sick.

It's exile, bro.

I mean, it does.

I mean, it's a simple thing.

Like the rebuild kit is two O-rings in a fucking set of pads.

It's not, it's not, it's a simple design.

Yeah.

It's just, it's not practical.

I'd rather have something that stops, you know, I mean, like I want

the bike to stop, I want the bike to go and have some style for sure with

all that stuff, but keep it simple.

I'm not trying to add a bunch of shit to it.

That's keep it simple.

Break fall off.

Yeah.

So yeah, exactly.

Yeah.

Keep it simple.

Stupid.

Yeah.

It's literally the way to go.

That's kind of why like going, doing the EVO chop, finding like a

Paco frame or whatever, like I kind of, I want to set the EVO chop up to

be like the gold FXR chop.

Yeah.

That kind of taller stance.

Um, I'll, you know, I'll keep things proportionate, you know, and whatnot,

but, and then I, this always do this.

Like I want to build a like a non flashy bike and they always end up being

flashy.

So I'm going to try to stick to like some flats and black and you know, kind

of keep it low key and just straight tough guy, you know, shit like that.

So that's what I want to do with my triumph right now.

Cause it's like, I don't want the triumph to be flashy to all the

triumph choppers are all low, long and flash.

Chris is in Royal Enfield.

I mean, yeah.

You don't, you build that thing flashy dude.

That's a, how many people are building that bike?

So it's like, you want to build it like unique and part of the uniqueness is

a good flashy build.

I mean, there's no way, no other way for you to do your first chopper than make

it pretty.

I mean, don't that Chris is that green one?

Yeah.

So sick.

Yeah.

It's, I don't know.

Uh, I mean, I'm like, you said, I'm excited to make it harder to ride too.

You know, yeah.

And, you know, you, you ended up getting that carbureted for me.

And it's like, um, those, uh, how would you say it?

Everybody I've ever talked to in my life says a super E is an easy to, it's an easy

car and I've always felt like they're not easy.

So the fact that everybody says they're easy, that means that I'm, I need to learn

what the fuck is going on.

So part of leaving that carb on the bike and trying to figure this shit out is

like, I want to fucking know how this works, man.

You know, it seems like it's a simple idea, right?

There's less moving parts.

I mean, you're not dealing with diaphragms and shit.

Right.

So in the same way as a CV, right.

But like, you're not, let's rubber shit to fucking.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Maybe that's my idea.

I don't, I'm so out of the fucking.

Well, so like throwing a mccuni on like, you know, a dyna or an FXR, like those

tanks are big, they cover half of it.

You usually have a big, you know, Arlen S big sucker on it or something like that.

So you don't really see the carburetor.

When you see the top and like maybe the float bowl or something, but when you're

on these chops and you have these small ass air cleaners or velocity stacks on it,

the car, like an SNS carb is a good looking carburetor.

You know what I mean?

So personally, like looking down and seeing that, I'm like, oh, it looks sick.

As opposed to, I would love to have a mccuni on it, but the way the mccuni is set up,

it's just so much extra shit.

You gotta figure out to make it work on.

The idea is to have a simple, something that if you have the option of two

carburetors, they both, one looks better than the other, but they're both pretty

reliable on their own, right?

Then just go with the one that looks better, right?

But, and I don't know, just learning it.

Once you get it dialed in, it's dialed in, right?

So don't, I feel just the opinion in my head of no actual like experience, just

knowing how a mccuni has to be attached to something, they work good on like,

because they get sandwiched between the intake manifold and the intake, right?

Or the air cleaner.

So when you have something that's bolting into the heads, like a head

breathers or something like that, where it's like sandwiching it together, it's

bulletproof, but shovel heads don't have anything to sandwich it in.

So you have to have brackets coming off of it to hold it.

And then it's, you don't bolt it.

It's got like a slip and then a, yeah, yeah.

There's just more potentiality for something with that kind of carburetor.

To come loose, to come loose, have intake leaks, things like that.

So that's kind of why I'm like, all right, well, there's a reason why you don't

see a lot of mccunies on choppers.

That's why I went with a CV and I ended up having to use a press in like manifold.

So you took it, you took my CV, made sure it was on the correct angle, marked it,

pressed it all the way in and then bolted it in and then still used a bracket

just to hold the carburetor so it wouldn't just fall off the vibrations of it.

We just got Lauren's sporser back to the house, too, which has a CV on it.

So I'm excited to take that thing apart and clean it and just learn that one as well.

So I'll be learning that carburetor as well as a super, you have to kind of

simultaneously, that way I can learn two sources of fuel and take that way.

Just one more knowledge, you know, on the road.

Yeah, I mean, going with her and ride it, she had an interest in riding.

No, no, she wants to ride it.

Yeah, we expect she, since we got to the new house, there's more places for her

to learn, more open concrete.

It was just harder at the old house.

And then, you know, once she kind of lost interest at the old house of learning

shit, I've left the bike there since we've lived there for two years now.

So it's, I think we can really pull it right down the road now.

And there's a little good little cul-de-sac we can, she can learn in and see

if she actually wants to keep going or not, but I think she'll be fine.

She's pretty savvy with that.

Yeah.

So we'll see.

That's cool.

Britta hit, we were talking on the way to the party last night.

She goes, I really think I needed, how expensive are dirt bikes?

And because she wants to get a bike to learn how to do all the running through

the gears and stuff like that.

And I was like, man, you'd probably be like, are like monkeys.

Are they?

Grop like three grand.

Just get a gromp or like, so the monkey is an automatic.

So, okay.

Yeah.

So, are they?

Yeah.

The new ones?

Well, then there's, you have to, depending on what motor you get with it.

So it's the same.

I thought they're the same fucking motor.

Essentially, it's just like a different setup.

Well, it's like how on my Honda cub that I just built, like they have that

semi-automatic bike where you can get off of it and then it's, it's in neutral.

Doesn't matter what gear you're in, but if there's power, you're in gear.

There's no power.

You're in neutral.

I thought that was how the other there's same as the grommets are shifting.

No, grommets have a full blown clutch.

That's why I like, yeah, the ground would be the best way to get a clutch.

So cheap.

You can get up for $2,500 all day on my place and you can blow through.

Is it five years or four?

I can't remember.

Is it four?

But that's, I mean, it's small.

It's lightweight.

It's like, you can really pick it up like a little, it's a 120 bicycle.

It goes 60 miles an hour.

Yeah.

And so it's fast enough.

It's street legal.

Like a fucking put on the back of a tow hitch.

Like, yeah.

Groms are only 125.

Yeah.

Are they?

They're great.

They're, we're, I was going to buy, before I bought the shop, I was, I almost

put the trigger on like a few groms just to have for campouts and stuff.

Like when she'd come to a camp out, we have the many bikes, but to have a

grom also to like just rip back up for the gas station if needed.

Yeah.

Something for her to have fun on too.

So she could have a blast.

And I think, I think it's a great bike for, especially like, I don't know, not

to be sexist, but like women want like something that's more comfortable to

learn on because she's, she can figure this forced her out, but for something

that she can drop and not feel like she's going to get crushed by it.

Like, like half of it's past the grom.

Yeah.

There's like the little bikes you take at their, their do it your safety course.

Yeah.

And that's what she learned.

I was like, like a 500 or whatever.

Yeah.

It's street 500 to 50.

You did fine.

That was her first time riding a motorcycle.

Yeah.

She passed the class in the weekend.

So she's, she can do it.

Yeah.

But it's like just that comfort level.

She like, she just needs to kind of fuck their shoulder up with a, with a

sports car because she's, it started a fall and she tried to catch it and she,

I guess she didn't want to drop it.

And I was like, yo, you just got to drop the fuck out of that bike.

It's resilient.

Yeah.

Just, just know that.

Yeah.

And it was like, a bike's fixable, but she tried to catch it and it like kind of

jerked her shoulder and she kind of, kind of got spooked by it.

You know, but she's not, I mean, she's willing to get right back on it.

So we just haven't had a time and now that we got it back, she's going to start

learning it, but I still plan on getting a grom just to have a shot of that back

and forth at work.

You know, how you follow me on my moped the other day.

Yeah.

I think it's fun as hell.

I love riding them.

I mean, I think the idea of like a grom is kind of cool because I live five

miles from work, not that's an exaggeration.

I probably like two miles from work.

It's like, you can literally almost have a rock to your work, but just to start

up a bike that's quiet in the morning and just rip it up to the front parking

at work, like right up on the gate.

Yeah.

I could do that on my Harley every morning, but I'm like, fuck man, I feel

like a dickhead, the fucking cold starting my bike at six AM, you know.

Yeah.

You're, you're, you're fucking, uh, M8 is like, it's got one of the best sounds

in the world with that.

Uh, that's what that's.

Yeah.

Dude, I, uh, my new neighbor was inside playing video games or something like that.

Cool.

Dude, I should work.

No, right next to me, like his house is like right next to mine.

He was inside and, uh, actually work with him too.

But, um, I got a text from them because I fired the bike up in the garage

because I have a steep ass driveway.

So I fire up in the garage to make sure it's going to start.

If it's not making sure the battery's not dead or whatever the fuck, like just

stupid shit, but it's going to push that motherfucker back up the hill.

Um, and it fucking just, it's loud as fuck in the garage.

And he was like, dude.

Yeah.

He's like, did you start your motorcycle?

He's like, he's a fucking dragon was like, he's like, I was in my, I was

playing my video game with my headset on.

He's like, he fucking jumped something hit him in the fucking game.

I was like, yeah, my bad, dude.

Dude, that happened to me once I was literally playing a video game.

Like I was playing like call of duty and I heard gunshots and I'm like,

what the hell was that?

Literally there were gunshots outside of my house.

This game sounds so realistic right now.

GTA for real.

It's got haptic.

Haptic feedback.

Yeah.

Yep.

I don't know.

I need to the, I think I was saying earlier how I've been like doing these

bike builds back to back to back.

And, um, I kind of want to continue to do that.

I want to like open up to maybe do some more bike builds for other people and

stuff or even like smaller stuff.

Like, like what we're doing on your bike, you know, like, yeah,

dialing in the rear of a bike or, you know, like open minded to those type of

things, but for sure I need a, I need a good trip plan.

Right.

Homies coming on it.

Like, yeah, you know, I want to be able to make good content videos off of

the thing to show the experience.

So having everybody kind of like on board with knowing, Hey, look, we're doing

this, but we got to get this to make, you know, like everybody's like, you

know, just down, you know what I mean?

Like I want to get that, you know, and then that means there's going to be

differences, you know, like, like not saying it has to only be choppers, but

only be choppers, but like it would be nice if it eclectically had that vibe.

And you know, then we had Jaden falling behind on the soft tail.

You hear that, Mike?

I'm getting told stay back.

You can come.

You just got to stay back.

Don't, don't.

Stay out of the photos.

I didn't admit the shades had.

Just blows the fucking doors off us.

Right in between us.

Like he didn't search it.

Well, probably out.

But I'm just because service is the first week in August, right?

So yeah, August, I'm talking about next year for like the Mexico thing.

That's yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, I'm just like an easy this year last minute trip.

Like you can still make a lot out of it, but you don't have to like.

I kind of want to do it like, uh, like April-ish.

I don't know if like April's a good month because I, the other thing

that I'm kind of nervous, PTO, so we're for real.

I'm kind of nervous about like, uh, I've only been riding the chopper

in the winter.

Like I haven't had it in the, I haven't ridden it across like, I haven't

ridden in 90 degrees yet.

So like I, I'm kind of like curious to see what it acts like and feels like.

What weight are you using right now?

So you'll probably end up changing to 70.

70.

Yeah.

So like when I had my shovel, it was just pure, like 70 weight, anything

after May.

And then like when I got back to December, we switched it back to like the 60.

Nice.

Because it was just easier to kick.

Yeah.

It was just like, you'll, you'll feel it.

For real?

Yeah.

Like just to kick through it, you'll feel it does like same thing with

the year oil, but at the end of the day, it's just like takes two or three

kicks through just to warm up the transmission just to be like, all right,

I want to actually start now.

Yeah.

So back to the mini bike thing for Brita, uh, just cause I'm kind of in a similar

boat, uh, is there one you're, are you looking at getting something you have to

kind of build up or you're looking for some turnkey for just, I mean, I literally

just talked about it last night.

So it's such a, uh, you know, we need to look, go, figure

out what the boxes are.

We need to find, to even check out, you know, um, it would be nice to be

something that is purposeful past the point of her getting comfortable on it.

Right.

Like I don't want to have a note on a $3,000 bike.

You know what I mean?

And then six months later, she's like past that and wants a sports or, or some

shit, you know what I mean?

I think that's why that Grom checks all those boxes.

Yeah.

Cause it's small enough to travel with, but like it's free legal.

Also, like I talk all that shit about you guys bringing mini bikes to

fucking events and golf carts and stuff.

So it's like, I can't go do that as well.

It's like me all the time.

For you is for her using AI for my ads or something.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

But it's for her.

It's not for you.

Yeah.

Uh, Jamie knows how to ride, but she would come the same thing.

Yeah.

I would like to start off very, but silly.

You also want to be able to like get the girl like the, we're taking Murph to

board free Texas this year.

Yeah.

It's a, you know, the whole thing was, she's going to have something to

respond.

I'd like to have two, you know, what for Jamie went for her?

I just got a, uh, like a towel, towel 110 from like one of the contractors that

work for free and like, I just have to put a carburetor on it, put a battery on

it and it's a push to start.

It's fully automatic.

So it's a one year, but it'll go up to like 40.

It's like the perfect bike, like hell, I'm 63

I can sit on it and they'll, oh, for me, it only just needs a gas tank and then

it'll be up and running.

So that will be up and running.

It'll be available.

Say if anyone needs to bring it to board and free, cause I was talking with Kyle,

we're just going to throw out something.

Cause I also have a rope has it.

Nice.

That thing goes like 70.

Yeah.

So it's one of the worst thing riding with me for a year and change now and just

the natural get her something.

We're moving a little more.

High speed thrills.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Get her something that she can jam around on too, but just board free minutes.

It is.

It just says there's no, it's a, you know, Adam's sons, they're the same age.

They're within a couple of months of each other.

They've never met, but it's one of those things.

I know he always comes out there with his little mini bike.

It's just one of those things like, Hey, y'all are friends.

Watch out for each other.

Go ride.

Like that just brings us kids and like, it's just like, it's a little

elite, it's like a gang.

Yeah.

You see, you see the whole like thing.

They, they go, what's up?

My name's dragon.

You know, that kind of shit.

Yeah.

They're all beating up on the kickstart mic, right?

Running them over and shit.

Did you, did you hear about that story?

Like kicks that?

So one of, um, I think Eric Bond's son accidentally ran into kickstart mic and

like cut his leg and then like didn't know what to do about it.

And so like he kind of ran away.

He did.

They had to find out who this kid was.

And then like at the end of the day, it was like, there was no problem.

But it was just like, no, it felt so bad.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

That's, but that's like, they fucking know what's going on too.

You know, yeah.

Mike's of all people was like, I'm just probably happy to see these kids on

bikes and I run like a hit by them, but he's just, he's just got kind of put

the beer, got him.

The younger generations are into it.

So we're sure he wasn't eating an ice cream and kind of like, yeah.

They fucking rolled up in the F.

Yeah.

I think so, uh, you know, we're still doing the pre-party, but we're doing it

born free this year on, on Thursday.

So I think a lot of us are going to go Wednesday night and like get set up,

get dialed in and just have that.

We always talked about it at the camp.

All right.

We always want to do that.

We're going to stay Sunday and it's just going to be us.

We're going to, but we're all like fucking cook.

Like, you know, by the time Sunday comes around, we're just like, I just want to

be in my bed.

I want to, I want to shower.

You know what I mean?

So like, I feel like going early gives you that kind of piece of like, you do it

off the break and then you, you know, you still do the thing, but, um,

Jake's, you know, we're going, you know, last year you were there.

So like we did the full, uh, martinian and old fashioned bar.

We're going hard with that this year.

Like come night.

Huh?

Shirtless.

Shirtless dudes.

Um, the thing is I keep telling everybody is like, if you want to bring

chicks to your booths, you put hot dudes in it.

And since none of us are hot, we have a Jake.

Yeah, we have Jake.

Uh, we have a Hulk.

We can, we can put Bobby on there.

Bobby can be a, yeah, Bobby's handsome man.

Bobby's happily.

Yeah.

He loves his chicks, but, but it's like, no, no, but just to have him on their

fucking serving drinks.

Hey, he's the waiter and Jake's making the drink.

So it's just like, get your ass out there and get to work.

I just, I, it's funny.

It's a joke, obviously, uh, but I'm going to walk through.

So we're going to join some chopper chicks.

Going to tell me to get lost pussy or something.

I have my shirt off.

Call me a little boy or something.

Yeah.

Shaggy.

Dude, that, that just, I mean, it was like, then I'm in there with a mini

back and running away.

Last year when Jake did that, it just like, it pulled the whole idea of the hill.

It was just fun.

Yeah.

It was having someone like DJ.

And this is the third.

No, I think it was Friday night serving drinks and DJing.

And it was like, cause it was a night that was like, you know, everybody was getting,

I mean, technically you really shouldn't drink like one espresso martini.

You shouldn't like, but I don't know.

We were going so hard with that shit.

Like, you know, we're all caffeinated.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, like, we're other Thursday night last year too.

We, yeah.

Thursday night was when we did the industry party down with a motor loco and

law tires at shokers.

No.

In the bowl.

And then you had had like a certain wristband to get in or something like that.

Yeah.

We snuck in.

It's all right.

We got in Friday.

Yeah.

I remember Jake a little bit doing that, but we're also in tomatoes.

Like the day, the week.

Friday was the go hard night.

Cause Saturday was when it rained and we ended up at the bar that night up there

doing stuff at the bar.

So Friday was the night that went hard.

So I think we're going to do it again this year.

Times 10.

We got Dustin's coming back with LFG.

You know, Taylor will be out there.

Kabuto will be out there.

We'll be out there.

Like I said, we just got to, that's our hill.

We can do whatever the fuck we want to do.

You know what I mean?

Dustin was such a great addition.

Yeah.

He was a band.

He was family, especially.

I knew whatever the fuck I want.

Just got to make sure those dudes don't park next to us.

No, we got that.

I'll figure it out now.

Yeah.

Jayden's going to run him over with me.

Now I'm excited about Born Free.

It's, it's one of those deals.

And then, uh, what's good, dude, there's just so like post-sturgis.

There's like so many things going on.

Like every weekend.

Yeah.

Every weekend.

So things that I'm trying to do for sure is usually after

Sturgis, it's like, it's a downtime for like me.

I think what I was talking about earlier, it's like, not a lot of

paint work, not a lot of shit happening.

It's kind of like everybody just got their nut for Sturgis and

there's nothing that anybody's like in the build for some shit or whatever.

The dog days of summer.

Yeah.

I so badly wanted to go last year, but I couldn't because of doing the chopper

to the chopper fest in Kansas city.

I want to go to that.

So fucking bad.

Hope you see.

Uh, Kansas city, like I've fallen in love with that place.

I've only been, I've only gotten a sliver of like anything there.

So know some folks there now.

Bring you guys up, go do some stuff.

That's a, it's a fucking ride, but if you get up early in the morning, you can be there.

Dude, we could literally leave here, go ride the Talamina, stop in and Joplin and

have some, you know, a late lunch with, uh, with, with Frank.

And then it's like an hour and a half or two hours from there to Kansas city,

like just straight north.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

And, uh, that's making it an all, you know, we're riding all day doing fun shit.

So if you wanted to leave your house at like five AM, I've got plenty of old dudes.

We just go spend a night at your house.

Why don't plan dudes smash highway miles that'll leave early as fuck.

Hit Kansas city for lunch.

Yeah.

Come, you know, one of those like kind of a whatever, but it's cool.

It's dope.

Awesome.

Chill.

Yeah.

It's chilly.

No, but I want to do that event.

So you got that and then kick and twist now, like Ochoa and all them are doing it at, uh,

Fayetteville.

So that's like the week in before a week, two weeks before born free.

It's like the first week of October or something.

Yeah.

So we'll do that.

I'll probably just trailer out there.

I'm not going to try to ride that one, especially like, I don't want to ride through

that area on the way up to Kansas city and then turn around and ride right back

to that area two weeks later or whatever, but born free.

And then, um, did you, you didn't do this?

Did you, you were at the stampede last year.

Yeah.

That is growing into something bigger this year.

Um, that was cool.

They, they got a new venue.

Uh, Miranda is like going to be running point on a lot of things, which will be sick.

Um, I want to do the same shit we did last year.

Get the house.

The house was sick.

Dude, they moved.

Right.

So it's not, it's going to be right by Billy Bob's now.

Oh, so it's in the other section.

So it's going to be like right across the street from the museum.

Yeah.

So it's, there's that museum.

Dude, we had a blast, especially the first time with Larry Lone Star

Shoppers and those dudes coming down.

Yeah.

Dude, a few months ago when Josh was in town, no, that's, that was swap me.

That's right.

Swap me.

Yeah.

This was in like November.

So last year it got fucked because it was the same weekend as Lone Star rally

and the Beaver Bash.

So yeah, everyone that would have been there.

So all the people that like had their bikes in the show weren't even at the show.

Since they were all on another trip on different bikes.

Yeah, I get it.

Thank you.

Thank you for the clarification.

So fortunately now that is in a different spot.

So it doesn't conflict with like Lone Star rally or the Beaver Bash and then Beaver

Bash again.

And then it's like, all right.

So it's like Sturgis Bam Bam Bam Bam.

And there's party at the pin.

There's fucking.

That's, that's, I don't know.

I want to go to that.

I'm bad.

I've been talking with Tate from Stormwriters about meeting up with him and Alex or Axel

and riding to the congregation in.

North Carolina.

And now that, you know, better.

The most thing in the shovel head was on.

Yep.

Yeah.

I got invited to a congregation when I had my blue shovel.

Nice.

So I drove it out there in like the 18 hours.

Yeah.

And then my clutch broke when I was there.

So luckily I brought my Dina.

So I was able to ride around on that.

Sick.

So yeah, they're going to be riding through and they just like, man, just come

link up with us.

And I was like, that'd be a great like opportunity to ride with some guys, some

people I've became friends with over the last year.

And go do that event.

But it's also like it's a couple of weeks after Sturgis.

We're doing it.

You know, we're doing Sturgis and Glacier and Salt Lake and this big loop

home, which, you know, like money ain't flowing in this shop like it was in 23.

You know what I'm saying?

So it's like, it's a little difficult to do the shit that I used to do.

You know what I mean?

I think we keep that one pretty simple though.

Yeah.

So in the long run, you know, I'll tell you what the camp, the camping

gear is coming back.

That's for damn sure.

I was like, even this year, like June, every single weekend of June, there's

a something.

So it's like, you, we now have the, um, the paradise road.

I'm so excited about that shit, dude.

Yeah.

So I went to the one in Tennessee.

You did.

Yeah.

So I, I ripped out there Friday night after work and I got there on like five

o'clock in the morning and, uh, hung out.

That's, cause I met Axel in the pool and they're like, yeah, they're like, like,

they were talking about it.

And I'm like, Hey, I'm like, so what happens if you all ever break down?

They're like, yeah, like there's some rental car dude.

My buddy Liam knows.

I'm like, yeah, what's up?

That's Misha.

And he goes, where are you?

Like I'm the rental car guy.

That is good to have that as a backup though.

Yeah.

Like, oh, like, I never, I never think about hitting you up whenever I'm even

considering it.

I know we've talked about like doing a mama tried, get a bus or like a van and

just doing a party van all the way to mama.

I'd be sick, dude.

Yeah.

Go to Davenport first.

Oh yeah.

Just like get a mini van or yeah.

Just get a superman.

Literally at eight passing mini van.

Yeah, make it quick.

And like, don't even bring bikes.

Just yeah, there's no need to ride them.

Cause we're not seeing straight.

Yeah.

Um, yeah, the, the paradise roadshow things to be sick.

It's for me, like photography wise, like I've always wanted to do the one in,

in Palm Springs, uh, just backdrop, cool cars, cool bikes, you know, aesthetically,

you know, unique folks and shit like that.

It's just foot, like photographically, it's a paradise to shoot.

Right.

Yeah.

Um, obviously I think they had some scheduling conflicts with the Nashville.

Uh, it got bought out.

Uh, that's right.

So the actual hotel with, or the motel got changed ownership.

Yeah.

And then they, uh, Audra or Audrey, how would I spell, but she, uh, she like

contacted them and then conflict of not interest, but just like conflict of

for you prices, prices and increased buddy, prices, increased buddy.

Yeah.

It's one of those situations.

That was such a cool show.

That's like my, I would say if I were to go back to one, like, which I'm so excited.

It's coming down to Austin.

Yeah.

It's only just a quick rip down the road.

Well, the good thing about the one in Austin, they're doing it at the Austin

motel, which is a sick spot.

It's in a prime area.

Well, part of the years this is, this is in three weeks.

Yeah.

It's like three weeks.

Yeah.

It's a, it's like the weekend after.

We're in Karsha.

Yeah.

So that's what I'm saying.

The weekend after we go down there for Eric's memorial things, the 13th or it

might be the 12th, it's either the 12th or the 12th.

Yeah.

12, the 14th.

So Kyle and I got rooms and like, yeah, like, I think the rooms are sold out now.

I thought they were sold out when I got my room, but you know, whatever.

I think you got the last one.

So you have to book like two nights.

Like you can't just book.

I'm just going to be there Friday, Saturday.

So I'm excited about it.

I think, Brita, we didn't, because I've been working on that, that bike, like

our anniversary, her birthday, we haven't had a chance to kind of like go,

just be away from the shop.

Yeah.

So I think we're going to either a, we'll probably either stay a day or two

afterwards and somewhere else.

And finally have like a little bit of a, I don't know, uh, yeah, if you're down

there in Austin and then looking to do another two days, you've got the whole

hill country.

Yeah.

But I mean, like, well, I'll be on, I'm going to ride the chopper down.

That's going to be the, I haven't, I haven't.

I've got made and boy.

Yeah.

I got to get, I, I think Austin's the thing.

I got to fucking conquer on the chop and then basically ride it down there.

You know, everything feels good, looks good, bring it home from that really

clean it, really dial it in.

And, you know, the complicated thing about like traveling for me is that I have

to take so much camera gear for podcasting and photography and shit like that.

So these fucking lenses are huge.

It can't like I literally bought a new camera and financed it.

It's smaller so that when I'm on, you know, I can have less footprint in the,

in the bike whenever I'm traveling and shit like that.

So, uh, I want to take camping gear, but it's like, also, I don't want my

bike to look like fucking the Beverly hillbillies going down the road with so

much shit on the back of it.

That it the goal is always to like Cody B going on the highway.

Like nothing.

Trone's in a fucking

he got a vape and a pair of underwear.

Dude has a fresh and somehow has 40 Dickson's in there with different shoes

to match each one in a fucking in a.

Oh yeah, these are.

Sorry, I pushed the fucking.

These are the next chopper wheels.

These are my IROG Z's.

Nice.

Those are sick.

Yeah.

They're dope.

Yeah.

I think they were supposed to be at 21 though.

So that's what sucks is it and then they do went out of business.

Is that 1918?

So it's 1918.

So I still have an 18 inch rule.

So this is the, this is going to be the evo chop.

I liked, I liked that front because of the, the radius on it.

Yeah.

So it's not like just how the normal spool hubs just end on like a 90 degree.

Yeah.

That looks sick.

Cause like your bolt will go all the way through.

I really want the evo chop to be an embodiment of whatever the 80s.

Yeah.

It was tough.

Yeah.

Just like night rider fucking, you know, like LCDs.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

The little fucking digital.

We're going to get you some road game.

We're just going to get you like an afro just like some curly hair.

Dude, that'll be.

Yeah.

That's kind of same with mine with just boxy and yeah.

Like, I don't know.

There's just something because if like, if you buy an 80s or 90s bike,

I'm not trying to make it look like a 60s bike.

Yeah.

To an extent, like obviously skinny and all that stuff, but like to throw some

flare, like more like the, like the death metal stuff from that era.

I like that.

So I think I'm going to go run that route with mine, but have you ever

have chains and shit would be sick.

Yeah.

Have you like decided someone of like a, like what you want to do?

Yeah.

What do you want to do?

Yours?

Like, I know.

I don't know yet.

That's what I was telling Mike on the way here.

I was like, I kind of want to go.

It's almost just like hard not to just go black with it, you know, like,

like, but like a high gloss, like paint job or the frame and everything flames

or whatever chains, something like that.

I know it's been done a lot, but like, and then do my own little paint job

on the fucking tank.

Yeah.

But you know, yeah.

There's a part of me that wants to explore what chopper paint jobs are going

to be from my shop.

Right.

You know, right?

This is a whole new experience for you.

Yeah.

You've done yours.

I, my, like, like Scott from chemical candy has a style that's him.

Yeah.

And I, I don't paint like him and I don't want to try to paint like him, but I

want to figure out how to make what I do fit into that, that category, but be an

offering to the community of choppers for the people.

It might like it, right?

So, you know, bring a mixture of like how you do your better.

Well, I'm already planning on having mine painted by you.

So whenever, whenever the time comes after I get the shake down and all that

stuff, whenever that just happens to be, I'm going to do it because the only thing

I might just do my little fucking drawing on the tank.

That's all I want to do.

Maybe I got a little fucking little triangle in front of the seat too.

That has some surface area that we can do something cool with.

Yeah.

I don't know.

Whatever you think is what you're wanting to run with with some of that stuff.

The other thing like Corey for main drive and I've been talking about a lot over

the last like couple of years as we've been kind of working together is how

I think court, his words, I might be stretching them a little bit from what he

actually said, but he kind of wants to start being a little bit more custom in

the things that he does.

Like custom meaning like, I would say it like his space shopper was like the

yeah, it was two tone, but it was so sick.

Does it fit that bike?

Yeah.

I feel like no matter what, I'm going to butcher the way he worded it.

But basically, because he's always done super custom shit.

That's not what I mean, but like, like he's stepping out of a box in a way,

right?

Yeah.

And I kind of want to start the hone in skills that are more appropriate for

choppers and these style of paint jobs that it doesn't really fit on the bag or

world.

Like I want to do more hand brushed lettering logos, right?

Right.

Things like that.

Um, that's just fun.

Like, yeah.

Hand brushing stuff is fun.

And I, I really want to airbrush more, but like I really don't at the same time.

Right.

It's kind of a, I don't know, man.

Like that's kind of right down the alley with your, uh, 80s chopper though,

like the van paint jobs from back then, like do like a little something, something

with that.

While we think about Oliver's, uh, Doverman bike.

Yeah.

Right.

Exactly.

Oh man.

The blue and it's so tough.

Awesome.

So there's, there's a part of like, you know, I would say like my, uh, I've said it

a million times for like my Mount Rushmore realistically, especially in the

chopper things is like Oliver, uh, Al Emerson, fucking, um, power plant.

Yeah.

And even so swag city.

Did he makes the coolest shit?

Like his, his, his born free invited builder this year to see this.

He took that soft tail and did him and hawk Lashay.

Yeah.

I mean, could those, could those to hawk?

I, I, you know, definitely want to put them in that category too.

Cause, but dude, Yannis, Mike was just in my opinion, in no disrespect to hawk.

It was just the league of its own, man.

Oh yeah.

You know, it was simple, but not.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

I, and I would say each, yeah.

Like each one of them have like their own, like it's like when hawk went, his

first build for born free was that iron head that everything was backwards.

Yeah.

It was something that like no one had ever seen.

And then like, you know, when you're welding all the, like the ex, like the

excellence on your chain.

So it looks like a smooth piece rather than that.

Like he just went above and beyond.

It's not everyone's cup of tea, but it's like with Yannis and like the way he has

power plant set up, it just, it just looked correct for that platform.

I think what, I think what's attractive about Yannis and his style is it, it all

feels usable.

Yeah.

It feels like when he builds a bike, even if it's a chopper, it's

it feels ridden.

It feels like something you want to ride.

Like there's a purpose.

I would say that like in just my opinion and no disrespect to hawk cause he's a fucking

master.

Yeah.

Right.

I feel like he makes very, very custom bikes that I want to look at.

To show bike.

Yeah.

To show bike, not a go bike at the end of the day.

Like, yes, that's how I would be.

Yeah.

And I'll be ridden.

It's like how you did your purple bike.

Yeah.

Like, yes, it's painted really nice and like it's very clean, but you also built

it to ride.

Yeah.

It's like your goal was to ride around the country on now a chopper to experience

something else that you'd never have before.

Yeah.

Cause yes, you did it with your goal at XR and even like when you did your RT, like

FXR, it was a different experience.

Like, I remember.

Yeah.

That's, that's the breakdown years.

Oh, that was so the year that you did that.

Um, and like you went with the two guys out of Houston, like Mason and I was, I

was on y'all were on the 40.

I took the 10 on my sports tour and I was just following y'all.

And so it's like, well, y'all were going through there.

I was just like a couple hundred miles south of you guys.

I'm the exact same aspects on the trip.

Yeah.

On, on, I just did it solo.

Yeah.

Just like, I was meeting up with Mason cause I know him from like action sports

and everything.

So yeah, that's a, that's kind of, you know, his style is just, you know, it's a,

it's dope.

And like I said, I want to like start to flex that muscle and work those things

and be able to kind of, uh, the other thing is like, whenever Kyle like reached

out or, you know, he started like really starting to say, you know, I'm thinking

about a chopper dude.

I think we talked about it at bike night at the time or two, but it was like,

there's just not a lot of them for sale.

Like if you type in on marketplace, like chopper, whatever, like you're going to

get inundated with like siren heads and.

Oh, yeah.

So it's, it's, it's mostly looking at iron heads and just like rebel stuff that

people, yeah, from like the early 2000s, just chop because.

Yeah, it's all fucking blue, like big tire fucking chopper shit.

So I'm like wondering if like, I actually think that, you know, it'd be cool to

have like to, I don't even know if it's feasible.

Like I don't know how to do a cheap bike, honestly, because as soon as I start

fucking with some next thing, there's ARP everywhere.

There's this, there's that.

And so, and so that, that, that $2,000 bike that I was going to put $4,000 in it

and try to flip it for 10, I'm 10 grand in the bike.

I'm probably 10 grand in labor and I'm going to probably, I'm not going to

be able to sell it because it's like, it's going to be a loss no matter what.

So, but I think that like finding a way to like build some like EVO style chops

or something that you could like do at a relatively decent price.

Yeah.

Like five to seven grand.

Well, yeah, like maybe that's what you have in it, but it's something that like,

like for instance, like Kyle said, you had a 10,000 or budget, right?

Yeah.

You were willing to spend 10 grand if the right bike was there.

And right, right.

Maybe even another grand more if it was more of the right.

It was there there.

Yeah.

So my thing is, it's like, okay, well, yes, the dude that can get the bones he

needs for five grand is not a bad deal.

If he has the ability and the access to get all the other shit he needs, right?

It's not going to be, maybe he'll be able to come in at eight grand on all the

shit, but if you could provide almost 90% of whatever this customer would want

for 10 grand and you're still making money.

Yeah.

Like first off, I guess the, what I would have to be at a point is, could I get an

evil soft tail, which are dirt cheap for now, for now, roughly like three.

Remember the fucking FXR fucking shit.

It's good choppers are going to be the next thing.

But so that you just scoop.

Because it's all, it's all the movies that are coming out.

It says you have the other movie that Maddie Matheson's on like born to lose.

That's coming out in like, it's right now going through.

I don't think movies really have it.

It's just, it's more of an Instagram culture.

Yeah.

Instagram events.

So there's, there's a whole bunch of dudes that have been doing it, you know,

watching and emulating and, and when they see, okay, this is the next move.

All right.

I mean, I'm just, I got only name, especially the Swatme dudes.

Yeah.

I want to name names of like two or three dudes we know across the country, but I

can think of dudes that they're fans or whatever.

They're, I just, when I see a, Oh, I got this trip.

Make sense.

Like it's cool.

It's inspiring.

Well, I think that what it is, is basically is like, once you see it done,

you know, it's possible and it creates like an open pathway to like something.

So like, if you say, for instance, like you've been falling thrashing and, you

know, they've been on the bikes that you know about, right?

And then they, oh, we're going to ride carbureted dinas or FXRs.

That opens up your mind.

They're like, Oh, that it's possible.

You showed me this stuff.

So now when I see those bikes, I see something there that I usually would just

overlook.

And now when, dude, when they get these bikes done, these pants heads and

shit and these choppers, you think I might influence some people that they have

so much more reach, reach and control, not control, but like influence and like

positively it's, it's going to be a lot of people really want to be in choppers.

For sure.

But I've already told you this.

I've stated all the might dude.

So I mean, I influenced them.

And then they influenced millions.

That's how it works.

Dude walked in with a fast life garage shirt and I go, where'd you get that?

He goes online.

Gade, you shouldn't have got it in person.

I was like, it's one of my buddies, man.

What's up?

What can we do for you?

But he, after chatting him up, he said, between your, your podcast and page and

the thrashing guys, that that's what kind of convinced him about me.

He's bigger than Mike size, maybe a hundred pounds more.

Getting off of sports, looking at a diner.

This is a guy couldn't take off of a diner or the dining who was on when there

was a better one available for that much more.

But it's there, there's out there.

I'll tell some names of some people we've met on the road or whatever that.

Oh, this dude will help in the studio.

Have one.

It's there, man.

You guys are making it seem they're more than cool, but also there's guys have

been falling 678 years.

I'm buying the same boat as we are to their performance.

Yeah, they're looking for something new, man.

I can think of a dude in Texas who's had a couple of bad ass bikes and he's

got to be itching for like the MA, like the MA FXR platform.

So it's, yeah.

It's like that.

People, uh, what was that?

When did, when did, uh, Corey do his first one?

Cause FXR division did one like the year before Corey, Corey, I think really

came out with his, I think at 21 or two.

Like, yeah, 56

Yeah.

It was like the year after I went to Sturges.

So like that 21, cause he showed up to the camp out with it bare before it's painted.

You know, Corey says this all the time on the podcast, like FXR division, Justin

Coleman, those dudes pioneered that stuff.

Yeah.

And I really feel like, you know, uh, Corey was one of the ones that made it feel

accessible.

Doing it with hand tools, hand tools, stuff in his garage.

You know, when he did the, he did our podcast, it did really well, but he also

did a member, get bent moto.

He did that like video with him and you know, Corey's very articulate.

So he's able to kind of like explain things in a very, uh, just like, he's not

dancing around words the way like I do.

You know what I mean?

So yeah, he's, my boy got big brains.

Yeah.

He got.

He made the words good.

But yeah.

So like it did.

I think that like the FXR tour the first year.

Um, look, I mean, I'll argue with anybody.

I think that my gold bike and Corey's and FXR division, they did it.

They did the first, uh, uh, well actually technically bear, bear,

not Koppal was also doing, uh, a mono shock FXR chopper.

And you know, bear, not Koppal's always, you know, he's from St.

Louis.

They've, you know, he's high in tight.

They, you know, he, he had an FXR chopper before I did for sure.

Yeah.

But I always tell people like, look, my FXR chopper is like kill

switch engage, right?

It's kind of mainstream.

The band.

Yeah.

Like it's kind of mainstream, but if you want to get into a little bit of deeper

culture, this is a good like gateway drug to get you into it.

It's not, it's just opening the door for you.

It's, it's like, it's attractive enough for people that like just rock and like,

oh, this is kind of heavier.

I'm into this, but it could open up the pathways to some deeper darker shit.

That analogy.

I like your FXR.

I fucking hate kill switch.

Well, I bid you farewell.

Yeah.

Yours is more like, uh, like cannibal corpse or dying fetus.

But before you get to like some of the newer obscure death metal that's also way

more intricate and cool.

Yeah, but nobody knows those.

Like every knows.

Hey, I'm just on a hate breed sale.

So I don't know what y'all are doing.

Hey, it's a better honest.

I'm a better.

Yeah.

That.

Hey, breathe.

Well, I'm just saying you're right.

No, you're 100% correct with that analogy.

I'm just, I just say that to say that I, I know that our bike was in, in, in

inspirational to a lot of people who want to build it.

Right.

And I appreciate the ones that do reach out, even though a lot of them do it in

the, Hey man, I just want to tell you that bike really changed.

Like, it's like, dude, what's wrong with just saying, Hey, you.

You know, when, when Trenton was building his, uh, um, Dina in, uh, from, um,

cruisies.

So dude, he was shouting me out all the time.

Like, dude, I was inspired to do this bike from riding my gold chopper.

Oh yeah.

I put that video at the bond at the shop recently.

You know, yeah.

And I'm like, I appreciate that because that's, that's what I do.

When, whenever I'm inspired by somebody, I fucking tell the world like, yo, I

want them to get their fucking, uh, you know, get their accolades for doing

something that has, you know, moved me to make a decision or change

something or try something.

Right.

I think that's, but maybe it's not a chopper bubble or anything, you know,

an explosion, but there are dudes that the TPJs, the cors, there's so many towns

and dudes that have been doing this for a minute that I think there was a whole

group of people that were just so performance, you know, you didn't really

see him or notice him or pay attention or whatever.

They not just been in it enough long enough to, to respect it.

That now I think those guys are going to, you know, it's like, you brought up a

great example because TPJ, right?

I would say he, he has always had a performance style to the choppers he's built.

Right.

But he's been doing this for a very, and I feel like that's one of those dudes.

All of a sudden you're not that people don't know him and stuff, but all of a

sudden like by now we're going to be here and tell us, dude, this guy's been around

for a minute, but it's for whatever reason.

It's well, a lot of it will come up like this podcast.

It's now the chopper scene is in their consciousness where before it kind of

wouldn't, it was performance bikes and traveling or nothing.

That's, you know, that's what it is.

That was the basis of this podcast forever.

And now there's like, said there's just a natural progression.

I've been doing this forever.

And then all of a sudden they're, oh, what about the, okay.

Yeah.

Maybe this isn't as hard as I thought or it's not as inaccessible as I thought.

You know, Jason, it's just the same inspiring where the other thing.

Well, I want to finish my thought on a TBJ.

I, I, he's doing a lot of bad ass shit right now, but I, I feel like if he was to

really just build a chopper, like do what he's always done, but with today's, with

his accessibility to things he has access to and the way he could build bikes.

Bro, like he, he could really like, I mean, he does, he still builds bikes, all that

shit.

I think he could be at the place he maybe he could get the, the accolades he really deserves.

Recognition.

Yeah.

So these two tall boys, you got me fucking sorry.

Yeah.

Getting on the stage in front of usually I'm talking shit about TBJ.

I'm trying to give him credit right now.

So I don't know if I've actually ever met him.

So he's a dig.

See that we get, get, get going.

He's pretty rad.

He's pretty rad, but he's like, I've only heard good things about him.

He's literally like my favorite person to talk shit to.

And I need to text him.

I haven't texted him in a while.

So it's a good reminder.

Let's leave him a hard-fold message right now.

Yeah.

These are the guys that's been doing rad shit.

He texted me all the time and shows me like, you got my wife drinking these fucking

martinis, dude.

What the?

He's like, why is my wife's saying help at night now?

Thanks.

But yeah, he's, and it's awesome to see people like him about to get moved into a

whole other, I don't know if you call it mainstream, but a whole other to continue

success, a bunch of I, you know what I mean?

A whole bunch of new eyes are being brought on them.

Let me know.

That's awesome.

And that's kind of what the point of the podcast has always been, right?

It's to, you know, I've always been learning shit and it's been a journey of itself.

And I mean, dude, I, we had a drop off of listenership over the lat, not over, but

when I really started, honestly, 23, when I finished the gold chopper and I started

doing that, a lot of things changed, you know, we had friendships that kind of

changed.

We had, you know, my interest was in these bikes and the knowledge and the ability

to make these bikes became a little bit more interesting to me than you telling

me about, well, you know, everybody does alloy art, but I did speed merchant.

It's like, you know what I mean?

Like you put a purple Lego on instead of a green Lego.

Awesome.

So it just kind of got to connect.

It got a little bit repetitive and, you know, and as far as me sitting on the other

side of the table, I just, I was losing interest in it because I'm also sitting

across someone that's like telling that I'm giving them a platform and some of

this is the fuck that they say I'm also sitting right here going like, God damn,

dude, like you probably shouldn't be on here for another two years.

You know what I mean?

Like it, that the performance scene was so young and the people that were doing it

was, it was a smaller group.

And the podcast I really loved doing at the time was like the covington's or

um, uh, you're even sitting down with Yaffe and hearing the story about how he

designed the Dallas Cowboys cheerleader boots.

You know what I'm saying?

Like those kind of things were like interesting to me and getting access to

the, the, the later generations of this stuff.

And now as getting into this chopper shit, like this side of not, not the chopper

shit that Yaffe and Ness and those guys were doing, but the chopper shit that

like Tom Fugel was doing and Denver, uh, Mondo Mondo was doing.

And in these people that were doing this style of stuff and getting to do the

David Brown stuff and the, you know, digging deeper into this, like more darker

side of motorcycle, not darker in a bad way, but like, I would say just the

opposite side.

So like you have the more corporate side.

Like where you see that it's like the Simba and Mufasa on that.

We don't go over there.

It's like the motorcycle she was like that.

Like he said, the bright side was the industry side.

That was where all the money was.

And then you had this other side, the elephant graveyard, the underground,

but that underground is where all the substance and the culture is.

Right.

Cause when you're living in the culture, it's really hard to market it because

you're living it, but when you're good at marketing it, you're not really living it.

Yeah.

And like you think about, you know what I mean?

It's like David Mann, like the David Mann Chopper fest.

Yeah.

It's a giant show based on people that were in the underground.

So it's like the guys that inspired what choppers are today.

Yeah.

It's like when Haney won, like Dan said that he's like, I hated having to pick

a dude from Texas, but when he went up to carry from choppers mag and he was like,

Hey, he's like, y'all gave me this award to give to someone that got inspired.

But you guys gave me this David Mann award and you're forcing me to pick a bike,

but the only bike here that shows me about David Mann is do with tall apes.

It's Haney's bike.

And then he goes up and gives the best speech ever.

So it's like, he shows like the, that underground style that was in the end

considered an outlaw.

Cause that's what those guys were considered.

Um, versus the corporate America side, which was the, the dudes doing the stuff on

TV and then boom.

Now you got Indian Larry, little bit of both.

He was on TV, but he was doing the underground stuff at the same time.

And that's, he could walk on both worlds.

Exactly.

He's a daywalker.

That's what's kind of exciting.

You're just being like sitting right here on the edge, like not even being

involved, just on the peripheral and watching is seeing some, you know, people,

not just you, but people and just the industry going from it was all about

personalization and now it's creating and truly customized.

You know what I mean?

It's just, it's awesome to see just the progression of everybody and just the

way the bikes have changed.

It's like even seeing your friends, it's just like, it's inspiring, like watching

everyone like get more of an open eye of like, Hey, there's so much more to

motorcycles than like what I've been doing for the past couple of years.

So it's like, you got into choppers.

I got into adventure bikes.

So I've done the off-road adventure.

It's like, hell, in my garage, I have six different types of motorcycles.

I don't have any doubles.

Oh, okay.

I don't know that fat boy is pretty sick.

Oh, yeah.

Great.

Yeah.

The soft toe and has some apes on it where I'm like, dude, looks tough.

Like you should ride that.

And one is like, I don't want to ride it yet.

There's still like a like a soft toe like that.

What is it?

Is yours a twin cam or Evo?

It's a twin cam.

So it's, it's the 01.

So I have the square backbone.

So I have to run the dual tanks.

And so like, I'm going to get rid of the entire dash, but it's going to look

like I still think like a, like a bad boy, you know what those are?

Yeah.

Like that with a duck tail fender and like some like T bars, like

what you like some Jacob Canards on there or something like that.

Yeah.

That was sick.

Well, it's like that guy, who was the guy that came out from California,

bought a dyna, rode it all the way back and then hung out with some guy.

What was his name?

Like he went out to North Carolina, picked up that or set up Florida,

picked up the dyna came with us.

Oh, Josh.

Yeah.

So Josh.

So I'm riding places.

Then he went to Phoenix and hung out with some photographer named Chris.

Yeah.

He's got a, he's got a six soft tail.

That's a soft tail.

So it's not a chopper, but it's still got suspension, but he has that duck tail.

He's got like, like not miniature apes, but thin apes.

So like they don't go up and down.

Yeah.

I think that looks like an old soft ringer and it looks good.

Yeah.

I guess I got so used to seeing the apengers that would come on the

baggers where they had this massive bottom end.

Right.

They come up and then.

So like Flanders style.

The FXR that I had a couple of years ago that had apes on it that I thought was

going to take off and fell in love with it.

Yeah.

It had real narrow bottom apes and I saw I liked the way it looked.

Way handle better.

Yeah.

Narrow or think that's all physics.

The narrower things are.

Yes.

It was it was a good.

It was cool.

And, uh, but I like duck tails, man.

Like I like the duck tail fender.

Well, it's just different.

It's like lever, right?

Yeah, leverage.

Yeah.

It's leverage.

Try to explain that to people like water tube.

What is it about it?

Well, dude, your, your fulcrum points up here and there's no flex versus your apes.

You know, your focal points down here.

It just the higher it is, easier to move it over and just.

It's the way your wrist are.

Cause like you're either using a muscle.

Just tell them because.

Yeah.

Just because man.

I will say my buddy Frank has a, he's a, he rides from Rockwell, maybe outside of

Rockwell sometimes.

So.

He rides about six miles a year.

Like a 2012 fat boy and he has some little 12 inch apes on there.

Nothing, nothing special on the bike.

Just pretty spone stock, but I rode around.

I was like, dude, the toughest fuck right around some like little, just some

little mini eights on a fat boy with some big front tires.

And we do it's fucking kind of cool.

And that's how I felt about that one.

But like, like split tank bike, like Haney's and stuff like that with some apes.

It looks cool.

I think it looks like the fucking bike right there on the fucking.

Yeah.

The heavy, heavy boats.

That's sick.

I don't know.

That's cool.

I dig it all, man.

I, I, I, I'm.

Way more open minded to things now than I think that like.

Other than spokes, but I don't.

Yeah, I don't like.

But I mean, the thing is like as you move from like evolve and kind of get into

different areas, you got to bring something from where you're from.

Yeah, right.

Right.

To make it unique to you because like the things that I loved or I love about

like a performance bike, I kind of, I love them.

I, I think it would be sick to have it on this style bike.

You know what I mean?

And I like Mac wheels and I, you know, it's just my thing.

And well, it's like Sebastian said at best about your purple bike.

It's you.

Yeah.

The way that you did that bike, it's, it fits the way that you like to ride.

Yeah.

It is tight and tough.

So I just, I don't know.

I, I like the feeling of being, I mean, by no means do I think that the chopper

that I did is some kind of groundbreaking old revolution.

No, I'd like, I never set out to do that.

I just wanted to fucking ride a chopper and the opportunity to build for

born free Texas happened.

Yeah.

And so I, I got an extra couple of months to build the bike, right?

Yeah.

But yes, all the things that I ended up doing to it ultimately became the

things that like my style or the style that I was breaking into the

chopper scene.

Yeah.

And I mean, now it's kind of like, okay, well, what about, what about this next

bike I want to build?

Like how will I go about it and what will change?

Or will I allow myself to change some shit?

Or am I going to do what I'm already comfortable with?

And that's kind of where it's best part about choppers.

You can kind of do whatever you want.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the thing is like, I, there's so much out there.

So on my bagger, like the, the Harley thing, like I've already, I'm doing a

lot of stuff differently on that that I haven't done on baggers, just to force

myself not to just go back to a comfortable place.

So that hopefully once everything is kind of done in dialed, it'll, it'll feel

like a uniquely different road glide than the previous eight that I've owned.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm waiting for you to build like a long bike like that, like herpes behind.

Yeah.

Like Jaden, you got a style that works in is dialing a switch on the road

glide.

So I would say, maybe don't reinvent the wheel.

Like, it's like you figured out your Lego pieces.

Yeah.

But I even, I was talking about this with, uh, with, um, Graham, like I'd, I'd

put my own foot in my mouth.

I don't feel like the style of paint jobs that I helped kind of make mainstream

in the performance bagger scene.

Like I don't like them anymore.

Like I don't want to do them.

That's our, that's just our artistic.

Everyone evolves man.

Like that's why you're now, not like you're, you're surrounding yourself

with now, like you're going to these chopper shows and like you get to see

like with your, just with you, like you're starting to involve yourself more

in the chopper scene.

So you're seeing what all of these painters are doing separately and

differently than everyone else.

And like, I like the way that you've done your performance stuff.

That's like, I've seen your process before.

Did you've done the vlog, which is awesome.

This, it shows us how you take your, your aspects step by step.

I'm going to print this out.

I drew and then like you see it on your Instagram, like you have 10 drawings

of what works and what doesn't work, what body lines work.

And now you're working with whole different types of body lines of bikes.

Well, I'm, I'm trying to reinvent it on the roguelite too, because I, I want

to reignite that experience of feeling like doing something fresh and new on it.

Because you're doing something for the moco.

Yeah.

I mean, it's not like, it's, it's bad timing on every aspect, but, but

also makes it kind of the best timing.

Cause, you know, but you're also getting recognized.

So it's like, they saw you like, you know, you said earlier that like Miranda

reach out to say, Hey, like, do you want to, to take these

photography stuff?

Yeah.

It's like, it's like, I don't even want to show you anymore.

No, but it's also like how you, like you put yourself out there by going

to a hog rally.

So you did something that was so much out of like your aspect of what you've

experienced.

Oh, my willy G skull on it.

Can y'all bring the willy G collection back?

I have a whole bunch of stuff I can have.

I think that like, uh, as being as, you know, right now being the biggest

hypocrite in the world, which I've always been, um, everything, everything that

like, if you, if you're like a guy that's listening to these podcasts,

when we started it, I mean, dude, also for, for reference, that was eight years

ago, like I've evolved and changed and, and learned so much and grown so many

ways.

And so like it's fun to say, hell yeah, brothers.

Oh, it is.

It's fun.

And it's like, you know who we're talking about, but like it's not as much of a

derogatory term as it is just poking fun and having fun.

Like saying boomer.

It is.

You know what I mean?

If I refer to you or somebody's, hell yeah, brother, it's, it's

derogatory.

It's kind of an insult.

You also work in a dealership.

Because in my opinion, those, it's those guys are kind of one way.

What are my friends?

Like no, no courage, no deviations.

But that's kind of what I'm getting at is what I felt like I was doing at the

beginning of this podcast and sticking to like, I was being a younger hell yeah

brother, right?

So T bars only, we only do this.

And it's like, you know, now I'm like, I still really don't care about other

brands of motorcycling.

You know, like I fuck with him all the time.

Like I just don't care about Ducati's or, but you asked me the other day about

you literally yesterday.

You're like, Hey, what's up with tenorace?

Like, well, the word is a unique word.

I don't hear that word a lot.

And I've, you've been saying it.

And then I hear it on a channel that I was like, what the fuck is this?

Like, and then you're the only.

I'm tired of fucking hearing it already.

My fucking up.

Maybe you've loosened up on your stance of like, hey, T bars are fuck off.

Yeah.

Maybe you've loosened up on that, but.

Well, we were trying to like, back then it was, it was a new fucking.

Well, the other thing, the other thing that I would add to it.

Which it's, you know, hard to cross reference now, but like.

In a very small microcosm of a way, like the first year that like Kyle and all

of us were at Sturgis on our bikes with T bars, like people were talking shit about it.

Yeah.

Like it wasn't like this.

There wasn't this welcoming open doors are like, oh, this new style of bike is cool.

Everybody, everyone, no, they're like, this is stupid.

You guys watch too much.

Some of it, like all this stuff.

So like the old heads.

Yeah, exactly.

But you see like you were like building the bike that was shaking up the culture.

And then it became so fucking mainstream.

Right.

This is our watch.

Yeah.

This is our time.

Is our fucking is our motor company.

This is our world.

Yeah, we've talked about it.

I don't, I don't want this shit to quit on me.

I don't want fucking Harley's to go electric on my watch.

Yeah.

So it's one of the things like you're sometimes, sometimes you got to you,

you are outnumbered and you have to fucking go up against it as far as, but

well, that's not just doing this because this is a status quo.

And I'm not just doing this because I'm afraid of being made fun of or not

finding friends or whatever.

Like it's fuck y'all.

We're doing this and I feel like we've still proven.

I mean, some of the bikes they're making, it's a, it's a representation.

Yeah.

It's a, yeah, they, they know about us.

They know about you.

I've heard that from other people like, oh dude, he's on his way.

They're watching him.

We all know that.

So fuck everybody else.

This is, this is our time.

We're going to do how we want.

Yeah.

I'm not stepping on these guys toes, telling them they're, they're dumb for

doing what they do, nor these guys.

Yeah.

Stay out of my way.

Cause more than likely we're probably doing cooler shit than guys on most.

What's that most of us into Harley's, uh, me personally was just doing

something that looked different to me from the outside looking in as far as

Harley Davidson motorcycles.

But now that I've done that, I'm like, I have a way bigger

appreciation for the older style of Harley's and what they did before now to

where I'm like, okay, that shit was still fucking cool in the 80s and the 90s.

And so on and so forth that now I have much bigger respect for the guys that

still do that stuff and have those type of bikes.

Yeah.

But at the same time, I'm like, like Jaden said, we still have a

fucking lane that we're, yeah, and that we were trying to go for, you know what I

mean?

Yeah.

And there's more ons that'll never come around to the, uh, they're always

going to stuck in 1992 or whenever they got into it.

That's cool.

Just out of my way, dude.

Just I'm about to pass you.

Just stay to the right, please.

Like it's, I don't know.

And I don't, it's cool.

Those guys are just the coolest.

We're doing this shit on our terms.

I'm one of those guys that didn't come from a traditional riding family.

I don't have pictures on my dad's Harley when I was five.

Um, he's doing gay shit back then too.

It is hard.

No, but it's fucking wack.

Thought Harleys were kind of gay, all fat dudes and leather.

You had to be rich to have one.

It, it's not dude.

Does it?

Well, it was considered, it's considered a luxury item, like based on credit score.

So it's like, I think to everything you're saying and everything I'm trying to

say is that like, yeah, I'm way more open minded on a lot of other things than I

was originally, but at the same time, I always, I've always done this.

This is the one thing that no one can ever fucking say I don't do is like, I

just go with what I feel, I'm in, in interest and inspired by, uh, where I

follow my heart in the shit.

Like I've truly, truly loved and still love the experience I had in the

performance bagger scene growing that with the, the, the still to this day

friends that I've made in that world, you know, and seeing where they're all

that's dude, you see the bike that Steve Chamberlain's building, the FXR in me.

Oh my God.

With the welded, I'm so stoked.

If he would have built another bagger, I don't know if I was bit, I would have

been as like interested because I've seen like a race bagger, a heavily modified

new body style that's still street ready, just chill back.

I've seen versions of his stuff, but now skinny tire bag, the skinny tire

bagger, right?

I mean, he fucking jump started that whole fucking way for a while.

But now these building this FXR, I'm seeing him like work those skills that

he's been honing, making those side covers and doing all this extra shit.

And I'm like, yo, that was a good idea.

That's interesting.

Like I'm fucking looking at him the way I look at it at a Corey or my Mount

Rushmore builders, you know what I'm saying?

So like I'm glad that guys like him are getting out of the box that he helped

create and trying to do new shit.

Now, obviously he's jumping on FXR.

He's bringing something he's very familiar with to the FXR, which is the

M a and he's making it his in a cool way.

You know, and I think that that's what's.

You're going to see happen over the course.

You've already seen it happen with a lot of the dudes of us that were around

eight years ago doing these bikes, you know, and I forget a lot because I have

friends now that I'm close with who weren't around eight years ago riding motorcycles.

They found this within the last eight years.

So sometimes it's like, if you think about where you were in the first four

years of you riding a bike, do you think that like, like this thing is

so sick?

Do you think you have enough mental space to give a fuck about what they did in

the 60s, 70s, 80s?

Cause this right here is the sickest thing.

Cause when we met and we were ripping around doing what we were doing, we didn't

give a fuck about anything except for what we were doing on the bikes we were doing

it on.

Yeah.

And now we've all kind of like, we're used to it.

Like, you know what I mean?

This we're not infatuated anymore.

We're in love with it.

Like this is a deep burning, passionate love forever.

So we don't, we want to fuck it, but we also want to like, you know,

and it's just natural.

Yeah.

It's like, sometimes I want to take it to town, but sometimes we're just

natural process of aging, maturing.

Yeah.

Hopefully you tend to look back at history and where did this all come from?

Yeah.

That kind of stuff.

Um, but my thing is, you know, this kind of group or whatever we've had our,

our cuddies and we've had some dudes that came and went, but for the most

part we've got a group that maybe not everybody's moving into new genres of

bikes, maybe not everybody's creating stuff, but it's, I don't feel like most

of our crew, you know, especially the inner crew is still infatuated with, you

know, sometimes it's life.

There's, you know, life may dictate whether or not you can move up or do

other shit.

And, but it's, I don't know.

I feel like we're, we are the, this is our watch.

This is our generation of Harley.

And we kind of do it how we fucking want.

If I could kind of cooler than the previous generation.

And I was going to ask, I'm like, so with this generation, with like, do you,

would you consider like with Harley changing CEOs?

Like, how would, like, does that affect your side of the business?

I don't, it was selling the bikes, you think?

No, because when they did the, you know, the, I don't know.

Did you have people calling that?

I ain't fucking by that queer shit.

I hate the word.

Whoa.

But when that all happened, we did have.

And when I just, your lowest common denominator, bottom hanging fruit idiots.

Really, the world stuff.

And it, to the point where it's almost not even worth talking about.

Hey, this is a corporate thing.

It's, they have no, like no country doesn't, but it's hardly, you're hardly.

You know, they all think we work for the motor company.

So as I remember when they've rebranded live wire to like, it was, it was Harley

Davidson electric bike.

And then like, they're like, all right, we're rebranding it's just only to live wire.

And then they took it out all dealers for a little bit and then they brought it back.

But it was under live wire itself.

And law, it's, you know, that's the 80,000 foot view.

Yeah.

It's not even really worth my, my brain, my mental bandwidth to try to worry about

something because it, it's like politics.

I can't, or even sports for that matter.

Talking about dumb sports are the older I get.

I'm going to put so much emotional attachment and investment in something

that I can't change.

Yeah.

It's no different than the fuck it's soap opera, politics, sports, whatever you want

to, you're getting mad at.

Why?

It's, I've got other stuff to do.

And I just, I don't know.

I feel like with, with Harley, you're always going to have the guys that stay in

this lane, you're always going to have the, the turnovers.

You're always going to have the old heads that don't want to change.

You know what I mean?

There's older dudes in us that will never get off the rate pangers.

And that's the way it is.

Cool man.

But.

Cause that generation is still quote unquote riding now still, you know, we're,

we're all kind of the last generation that drank out of the water hose and you

were sitting outside all day and we didn't really grow up with the internet.

And they'll, they'll find out if your friends are at their house by

riding and knocking on the door.

He said it, I can't speak for everybody, but this kind of thing we have and you

know, the little pockets of it, the people that we've met across the country.

It's badass to see people get into something, carry it on.

And then feel, you know, feeling comfortable to make it other things and to,

you know, that's, it ain't dying on us.

You know what I mean?

It's, that's for sure.

I'm, I'm convinced of that at this point that there's enough rad people doing rad

things that they're going to continue.

And yeah, I don't see you.

I don't, you probably know more about it than I do.

Just keep making the bikes and keep selling them and keep riding them.

That's, yeah, I feel like when all that shit took place, it was just more people

at outrage, but they didn't go buy Indians.

Yeah.

And nobody that, nobody that came in and bitched bought areas or that sounds dumb.

It wasn't people that you know could buy that were bitching.

It was people that were, and there's people that have been riding motorcycles their

whole life, maybe even mostly Harley, all they want to do is bitch.

It's this weird thing where they come in and it's just, they don't like this.

They don't like that.

You know, this sucks.

It's what do you like?

You get what they like.

They love bitching.

Yeah.

Well, it's you.

Well, okay.

What is it?

What's the perfect one?

Then you, they tell you, and you start just factually go, well, you know, I don't

care.

I don't care.

You know what used to happen when you had magazines, they would flip it over.

Magazines, they'd see cool shit, right?

And they were still like, someone would read the articles, but you left your

imagination, that bike looks cool.

That place looks cool.

That's inspiring.

That tells, that gives you a lot of feedback.

This culture of just all these same dudes, older, obviously now, but they're

getting online and they're listening to fucking all these fucking dorks in their

garage, sitting there in between workshops or on the weekend when they go to their

job that has nothing to do with fucking motorcycles, telling you all the shit they

fucking AI Google searched about what the CEO does or what the sales look like.

Who gives a fuck?

If the sales are up or down, what does that got to do with you riding your bike

and making real motorcycle content?

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

Who the fuck is who the fucking call themselves a biker and know what the stock

price of Harley is?

Who gives a fuck about that?

Ride the fucking motorcycle.

If you want to go be an investment banker and do shit like that, then go fucking

make a Forbes or whatever the.

Like how like day trading, like that shit ain't motorcycle shit.

You know what I'm saying?

So like, it gets so annoying without all these people that want to like make

content, but they're not making content.

They're regurgitating bullshit that doesn't push the needle farther than anything.

I feel like that's kind of the generation just above us.

I wouldn't call them boomers, but there is a, you know, 50 to 65 that they figured

out the internet.

They know how they know how to make videos.

God damn.

No, we don't.

Like they're not on my space.

I don't know if I quote, uh, you know, long ball and bar.

There's, there's just cringe ass YouTube things where it's, I'm not going to even

like, do I, where do I stand on this?

I don't fucking know because I'm riding my motorcycle and I don't have time

to think about what like.

Zites or the new dude have got dick to do with what I have downstairs and what

I'm doing this year on my motorcycle.

I'm not going to, these dudes that would go by the cheapest roguelite they can

find on marketplace to push them off a cliff and stuff.

I was like, what the f that was the, I, I, I didn't have respect for you now.

And I 100% wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

That's the stupidest show I've ever seen.

I've never even heard about that.

There was a recent thing where people buy and yeah, cause they were like

trying to protest Harley and shit.

Like, dude, you still bought a fucking used Harley.

Like, like kid rock shooting the Bud lights.

But it's so fucking cringe.

Yeah.

The whole point of this bike thing is to get on it and go do stuff.

It's a, for us, there's a whole bunch of dudes.

This whole bike thing is a little bit of an image.

This is some of my personality.

I'm a, I'm a biker.

I'm a biotape.

I don't take shit off.

There's a lot of days that that's, that's why I'm saying that there's dudes

that that's their personality.

We're, it's just your lion's not sheep, right?

Yeah.

You're taking it too serious and just, I don't know.

I said, we, I went in on the little club guys earlier.

It's just, it's a, it's frustrating because when I open up my phone and I go

to YouTube, I want to, I want to see something like what Josh is doing.

Yeah.

You know, like, uh, I'm riding places.

Hey, I'm riding this last time riding this road glide.

I'm going to shoot some photos.

I'm going to go meet up some people and do some motorcycle shit.

Something like rainy days, like where he goes out.

Yeah.

The grainy, grainy days.

Grainy days.

So you're getting this experience.

I'm being inspired to want to one day check out that feeling, right?

And meanwhile, like the other half of the internet is dudes that don't, you don't

even know if they ride because the videos that they make are the ones they're

going to get them attention for the algorithm.

And it's usually just like some tough dude with like a come and take it or,

or don't tread on us or he's got a couple of guns in the background.

He's got a beard, you know, he's just typical male bravado shit.

And all of these dudes might be cool as shit, but the choices they make, that's

the content you, that's what you want to leave behind.

That's the one you, you're the, your legacy is to probably have a Harley tattoo

and spent your entire fucking career talking shit about the brand.

Like that doesn't make sense to me.

You know what I mean?

Obviously, if you work in this industry and you make a living on that brand,

hopefully being successful, I'm still going to make a living.

If it's not successful, it's not going away.

You know what I'm saying?

So why would I not continue to help it grow?

Am I as enthralled with the new bikes as I am with like, I love FXRs.

I really love choppers right now, but also kind of really getting horny for

like older road glides, like an old nine to 10.

I don't know why I'm like getting into those right now.

But again, like whether I have no intentions of buying a nice.

So why the fuck would I make content or talking about it on the internet?

Oh, the, the Harleys are too, they've never not been expensive.

What the fuck?

Yeah.

They've never not been expensive.

Well, and they're like, Oh, well, the $45,000 CVO doesn't make sense.

Like why the fuck is everybody buying them?

I was at Sturgis last year and almost every other bike was a gray or white

or a white or whatever the CVO ST.

It's a fucking hell of a bike.

Let's say pickup trucks now are $110,000.

Yeah.

And fucking all in one.

You can take a mortgage out just a 30 year and 30 year note.

And so, and then they, you know, the $130,000, but whatever it was like,

dude, you, that's not buying it.

It's not for you.

Yeah.

It's not for you.

Yeah.

You're not buying a new bike.

Anyways, you, you got to fucking caring about that to me is like, you're

still like following your favorite porn star on Instagram or something like,

what's it?

It's the same guy for you.

It's never going to.

Yeah.

She's not going to make a decision.

He's a dude on fucking porn hub leaving comments and sharing videos.

Same guy sells a twin cam roguelite that's like, I'm never going to buy

an any.

Okay.

Then it's not for you fucking.

There's plenty of twin cam roguelites out there.

So.

Those same dudes.

Oh, have you ridden one?

Nope.

And they have no, I ride that.

Gays shit.

Yeah.

Fuck out of here at the risk of sounding salesy.

Dude, the nicer fucks, like they're awesome bikes.

Like, but I don't, I'm not at a point in my life where that, that bike makes any

sense for me.

Oh yeah.

No, it's definitely it's, it's for a person kind of more in this phase, but as

far as value and what you get, especially on the standard version, the 10, the

99, 99 one, if you go with gray, dude, it's, they've never made a better

beginner bike.

Yeah.

Or something easy to ride, fun to ride.

You could ride it down the highway.

You know, something that you don't necessarily, you won't.

I fuck it.

I'm making a video.

Fuck that bike.

I'm hating on it right now.

Yeah, let's do it.

I'm never gonna buy one.

Fuck it.

I'll be out.

Charlie needs to make that bike and have all those features for $6,000.

Like the fuck.

Yeah, exactly.

It's, you know, if everybody could have this shit, it wouldn't be cool.

Straight up.

Yeah.

Like does anybody know how taste making works?

Like they don't like the other CEO.

Let's say I don't have an opinion about it regardless, but the dude

came from a world of selling higher quality things.

Right.

Like that's that, you know, in a nutshell, he wanted to make things more valuable,

whatever I'm butchering it.

But I want the bikes that I customize that I build that I work on that I own to be

valuable.

And if Harley takes all these bikes and they make them cheap, then they don't

have value anymore.

I mean, honestly, the new roadblood coming out at a price that it is kind of on

top of like everything else kind of killed the last body style.

Oh, I was there.

I plummeted in the value of those bikes.

And I think that was a bad move because now everybody that dropped 20, 30, 40

grand into their bike, they couldn't fucking sell those things for what they

went for as a trade in.

Right.

So that fucking sucks.

And that kills my side of the industry.

I don't like that shit.

You know, like, do I want this shit to be affordable to a degree?

Yes.

But if it's affordable the way a Kia is or Kia was when it first came to America,

I don't that that makes me not want to be on this product.

There's a million cheap bikes out there.

Go buy one of those.

Why would anybody be bitching that they want?

If you truly have Harley, you love Harley, why would you be bitching about

making something cheaper when there's you, sports, there's and dinas all day long

for those ranges, but why would you give a fuck or bitch about a brand new bike

at this price, especially for the value you get?

Dude, it's dude, I think the CBO ST.

If you want to go performance bagger out is the best fucking bang for your buck.

Big motor, almost everything you need right there.

That verse, a regular road glide that you can.

And that would be my thing is save yourself the 10, 15 grand difference, bro.

By the one 10 grand and the motorcycle world ain't shit, dude.

Some people it is.

Not me.

10 grand.

It doesn't get you that much shit.

We're talking wheels like that has wheels front suspension rear suspension breaks.

You add that up.

That's well over 10 grand alone just in the CBO.

Right.

So yeah, you want to put a cam in it.

Those kinds of things are nice, but like the CBO ST gives you that kind of extra thing.

And yeah, you are spending more money.

It does cost more.

That's what I'm saying.

It's the bike that you could literally buy.

Maybe you change the bars.

Maybe you put a seat on it, you know, the creature comfort things, right?

Maybe your own personal exhaust that you prefer.

And that's it.

That bike's dope for what it is.

If I had the money, I would buy one.

I would do that bike.

I 100% would.

What did you do motor wise performance wise?

I'd leave it the fuck alone.

The same reason I used to buy one 31s and just ride them.

Like I it's fucking dope.

It's the new one, the 117 with the new heads on it.

Like, dude, it's fucking sick.

Like me in 2019, if I would have had that, I probably would have never put a

cam in it.

Just I didn't have the money to do it then.

Now I've got great opportunities.

So I'm going to cam it and I'm excited about that.

But but, um, yeah, I don't know.

I don't think you need to do much of anything to these bikes now.

That's the other that does kind of kill my side of the industry

where when Harley made a very basic bike and left a lot of meat on the bone for

us to make money on customizing and making it more personalized, that was

better for our industry.

It's better for the consumer now, because you can get more bike out of the rip.

And then there's still there's still enough space, like on the roguelite

I got the base model one.

There's enough space there to make that yours, but you still got a fucking

fast ass bike that feels good, works good, has all this technology.

Bro, it's a fucking good deal, man.

Like that's what I'm saying.

So for a base roguelite, chrome and gray, you're at the door under 30.

Yeah.

You're to me, again, opinion, your clothes, it depends on your situation, but

you're close enough in overall, dude, take, you know, if money's a thing, take

this, yeah, and you can have so much fun and make it fucking yours versus the

seat, which not that they're not bad ass, but a lot of dudes maybe change the pipe,

maybe change the seat.

And that's it.

That's all you do.

Like there's very few big builds going on with them.

And so that's just my nature.

I do spend this and make it yours versus that.

Um, but yeah, there's.

Yeah.

It just, it just doesn't make sense.

I mean, look, there's somebody that I'm, I'm, I'm drunk.

Is right now.

And I'm just riffing off like my mind of this stuff.

And, uh, as opposed to like someone, someone that can sit there on YouTube and

like dissect everything I just said and have like this very polished response to

like, Oh, this is this.

And then you should like, I'm not playing that game.

I don't know.

Like, I just don't care, man.

Like I wish more people were trying to leave.

Like I'm talking about content creators on YouTube.

I wish more than we're trying to make a positive thing instead of, uh, what works

for the algorithm thing.

Like I guess I look, I'm looking at it too much like art and not like a business.

Like what compelled you to want to make a video?

Like, why did you want to get in this space?

A lot of them is money.

They think it's the YouTube money.

I think the motorcycle market for them is fairly untapped.

You know, there's two, you're one of them.

There's 23 people making really quality content.

And after that, it's, it's kind of the wild, wild West.

I mean, I'm my own just Texas rides.

You know what I mean?

There's so many, there's, there's surely there's somebody's out there doing just

decent Texas rides.

There's not as far as you got, you know, a handful of older dudes and they're

just terrible, you know, voiceovers on riding footage.

It's not, it just monotonous.

Just, yeah, there's, there's so, I think, but I just, I would say that I respect

that more than someone just in their garage talking shit.

Like I have a dude, I, I've almost succumbed to that so many times when I have

something, you know, I want to say, and I'm like, I have the backdrop, the space

and whatnot, but like, I just don't like making those kinds of statements.

And those are like even doing this.

I don't really like doing that, but it does frustrate me when the industry

as a whole right now, it's not bad, but it doesn't need negativity for no fucking

reason.

I think so that's the world we live in.

You know, that shit over there talking about fucking Palestine and Iran.

We don't need that shit in motorcycles right now.

Either ride your bike to an event and tell me how cool it was or show me your

journey there or, you know, put a part in your bike and tell me your experience

with that, but just sitting around and talking shit about brands and numbers

and shit is like fucking nerd shit, dude.

Grow up with your wife, not that you ride your bike.

So you got to sit in the garage and talk about it.

You can't think of a better thing to talk about than like stock prices.

The fuck, man.

We didn't just prices of the bikes.

So get dudes coming every day.

See a brand new, what was that?

Ford grand.

No, dude's like not even close.

Yeah, but you know, that's the shit because they watch fucking 40 YouTube

videos where they got there.

So they're already they're just fucking uneducated.

No, I dumb.

And it's one of those things you're going to have play to send them to they

have it in their mind that this is that.

And it's like, you didn't look, you didn't open the internet.

Did you?

You didn't go to Harley Davidson.com.

I mean, just the most basic amount of research, research, you know what I mean?

Would eliminate some of these questions and mindsets.

I think of people walking in and then back to 24 when they came out the new

body style, that's kind of the rising tide raises all ships, you know, from the

racing thing, a lot of that technology trickled down.

So in 24, so as killing the values on the 23 and downs for absolutely fucking

right, because 24s came out, they're a little cheaper, like, you know, 23

road glide ST and that white sand pearl or whatever versus a 24 road glide.

Dude, you're at the door cheaper.

I'm this one.

It's kind of a better bike.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

It's so yeah, that, that tank tip, but it's what are you going to do?

You got to roll out your new shit.

And like I said, Vincent was the other day was somewhere a year ago, there's

one new road glide and it, we went to some club that he's close to or whatever.

And the other day he said, they're all, all new road glides.

So that's just people getting used to it.

Well, that's all I'm saying is that all everybody, nobody's fucking leaving Harley.

No, nobody's leaving Harley.

So why, why even it, what it reminds me of is like, you know, that one dude that's

like in a shitty relationship and every time he comes around and just talk shit

about his old lady, but then the next day he's like, Oh, my, my baby.

That's like, yeah, like you ain't bout shit.

You ain't like, if you hate Harley so much and you want to talk shit about

everything they do and criticize everything they do, which to be fair, I

understand criticism.

I understand that that is important, but like don't make that your identity.

Of your entire brand or channel.

You know what I'm saying?

Like, if that's the case, I mean, empty criticism.

Why are you even here?

What are you doing?

If the, I've told them, if, if you hate everything, why are you here?

Yeah.

Go buy an Indian.

And when somebody tells me all between this and Indian, I laugh.

Well, have fun.

Yeah.

Go buy the Indian and I'll see you in six months.

What do you feel about victories?

Let me let you talk to my man, Charlie here.

I'll tell you all that.

Some dude called in asking, y'all know Charlie, right?

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Do you know Charlie?

Probably.

So we've got a 22, 23.

He's got Down syndrome.

Uh, he works with us Tuesday, Friday and Saturday at the shop.

I heard him ask.

Charlie's badass.

He draws awesome.

We had some dude call in one day on a Saturday.

I was busy.

He goes, Hey man.

Uh, I'm not calling to ask about Harley so much.

What do you know about the victories?

I go, man, I don't know much, but I got a teammate that does hang tight.

Put him on hold told Charlie.

Charlie loves dude.

The phone or ring, he'll be something to sell.

So we're all busy.

I'm like, I don't know.

It's you can't help it.

You cannot help it.

We'll pick up a phone and talk to somebody for a few minutes and good.

Good luck.

You know, but without missing, though, that was equally as it makes me so happy.

I'll walk up there.

He's like, I talked to the lady.

Charlie's jaw.

Joy is far more important than whoever was on the other line of that phone.

There's no way someone called the dealership.

I'm maybe I'm wrong and was going to be like, Oh fuck, we just lost a sale.

And there's no way whoever's on the other opposite of that phone that was going to.

It's nothing.

Even they're looking for a set of parts.

So we just talked her in the shop, couldn't have talked to him into, Hey,

do you come up with whatever?

And here they could fucking win them all.

So I said, Hey man, Charlie, talk to this guy in Parkland and I walked away.

You know, several minutes later, I have no idea what they talked about.

How long they talked.

What was it?

No idea.

I was probably a pretty like even conversation.

I don't know.

How are you?

I was really fucking crazy.

Yes.

The guy was very helpful.

Thank you so much.

Let the box argue.

I'm going to continue on with my victory.

He went bottom victory right after that.

He fucking sold it to him.

Hell yeah, dude.

That's so funny.

Oh man.

I love that.

Yeah, I don't know.

I guess frustrating.

Like I said, people love the bitch.

There's nothing they do and I'm just too.

I mean, that don't get me wrong.

Like I like I said, King hypocrite here, but but I just feel like man,

like maybe this year, maybe moving forward, like just try to.

I don't know if I can do some cool shit, man.

Like I'd rather hear someone sit in their garage.

Talking about what they want to do or they want to go their dreams or goals.

I'd rather hear someone talk that than hear them just spout off shit

that that's like all negative.

Like yeah, hey guys, I just want to tell you guys what I hope to do this year

or what I want to do, what I want to learn, why I want to learn it, why I want to go here.

Like I'm interested in that story.

Personally, of course, you know, a big common denominator with a lot of people

that if they are negative as far as the brand and.

Well, this looks since they quit doing that.

I don't like that.

Those are the people that I tend to just go, hey, man, what are your writing plans?

Like what are you?

But they don't ride.

They don't, you know, it's not.

It's it just.

It's become a little bit of their personality.

You know what I mean?

And it's just one of those things where they I don't know if it's the people

that know them, their loved ones like, oh, he's he's Harley guy.

So he feels like fuck, I can't quit fucking with Harleys.

But he's on an interesting ride and doing cool shit.

He just likes the bitch and it's familiar and somewhat comfortable.

And I feel like that.

Correlates or translates to every aspect of life or hobbies or anything like that.

There's there's always people like that.

And all you can do is try to.

Well, I mean, I try not to I don't engage, but, you know, I just the thing is

that like I want this brand to succeed now.

They're trust me.

They're worried about those stock prices and numbers more than we should

be worrying about it straight up.

All we should be worrying about is if the bike fits something that we want to do.

What we talked about today, what what do you what do wherever you're at

in your motorcycle path, career, journey, whatever, does Harley have a new

bike that fits in that world?

If not, Harley probably has a bike that exists, that fits in that world.

And so that's really all that is like, what's the next stepping stone?

Yeah.

So like if it's a new road, or ST or a nightster or, you know, Pan America,

like there's all these options.

So like fucking do that or don't, you know, piggyback on something Kyle said

earlier, I saw a post today, maybe if Jess, Kate, I'd tell people all the time,

dude, do not if you, you know, if you're looking at a soft tail standard and you

get the bug to start traveling, don't let anybody fucking tell you.

You got to have a bag or one of those to travel.

You can travel on anything they fucking make.

If you know, yeah, you do it.

It's you can travel on anything.

So that's one of those things where if that gets your bug, do that.

But yeah, don't I fucking hate the, oh, I want to do longer distances.

I got to do this.

Well, can you you turn it real tight?

You know, there's a bunch of stuff where, yeah, well, that's gonna do you just as

good if you pack it down right, you know, it's what the problem is with all this

stuff is that in my opinion, I think that I'm guilty of this.

When I bought that camera, I've watched a million reviews on it.

Just I want to be educated on this thing.

And so I think it, um, maybe I can't remember when I first started traveling

on a bike, I don't think YouTube was as like, I didn't use it the way I use it now.

Right.

So I think now when people have an idea, they overanalyze all of it.

And I think that the problem with doing that is every time you watch a video and

you get somebody else's opinion, it forms an expectation in you that even if you

finally do the thing, it might not, the expectation might have been here and

your experience was here, which was good, but it didn't meet the expectation.

So it's, you know, therefore bad in your eyes or whatever.

And I think that the problem with all that is, is that, yes, if you want to get

some information about something cool, but like understand the stop and to give

yourself some grace to go try it yourself and form your own opinion.

Right.

Because if you watch the hundred videos, but you're really compelled to buy the

new roguelite, I fucking love it, but I watched a hundred videos and they said it

sucks, but I really want it.

That really, that feeling right there is the only feeling you should be going with.

Right.

Because you really love something.

You'll, the flaws that it has, you'll, we'll work around that.

Oh man, but this bike, when I, when I walk out of it, I want to ride this.

Like that's the main thing is, and I've been noticing that in a lot of people.

It's like, dude, it, like, if you don't walk out and see your bike and just wish

you could be on it, then you need to fucking change something.

Do something to the bike, get a new bike, do something.

Because I tell you what, like I fucking want to ride my bikes all the time.

It's a fucking intoxicating feeling.

And when you have that feeling, like you don't, you're not over-analyzing all

this other bullshit, all the analyzations of stuff is just expectations and

shortcomings and whatever.

And it's, it's stuff that doesn't fucking matter.

And it all falls by the wayside when you, the person experiencing is doing it.

Everything else, you may be able to pull some knowledge, references, whatever the

fuck I wish I would have got the one with tire pressure sensors.

Oh my God.

Oh, but it made a mistake.

That guy was right.

I should have done this, whatever.

But until you do it, it's, it's a whole other level of stuff.

Just coming down here.

You got stuck in it.

You know, I don't ride as much as I would like to you right now.

So beautiful.

Fuck it.

I'm not even, didn't look at the weather just 88 the fucking son.

I'm talking to you.

Fuck it.

Coming down here and I get stuck in one of those just like, oh dude,

bikes, bogging down.

It's just everything about one point.

I even thought, should I turn?

I'm just a mile or two south of downtown.

So like, should I whip around?

Like I've already got the heads up.

What time we're doing this?

I've got time.

Should I go back and get the truck?

No, dude.

Like the getting, being comfortable, getting comfortable, being uncomfortable.

Yeah.

There was something about like, you know, I've told you just kind of through the

worst of it, I'm fucking wet.

My shoes are soaking downstairs.

I see the one mile from the exit and then fucking break lines.

There's a wreck literally.

If this is the exit, there's a wreck here.

Fire truck, hold on your so everything's bogged down.

It's just when I was like, ah, fuck dude, the last little bit, it got worse.

I think I said, fuck this when I got off.

But with a smile, like it's I was wet.

It sucked.

That's riding bikes, dude.

That's it's awesome.

It's one of those things that may suck at the minute.

But when you look back at it, you're like, that was kind of dope.

That was kind of no point of this to feel all these things.

And yes, and to feel alive.

And I don't know a lot of that sounds like this, but it's true.

And there is something to it.

And you can get so wrapped up in being comfortable or avoiding everything.

But then when it kind of hits you, I was like, fuck this.

It's kind of dope.

Don't ever.

I'm chronic overpackered.

I didn't bring any rain stuff.

It just was what it was.

That's badass.

Like I that was a good ride today for me.

Like I'm super stoked.

And it's it was far from perfect.

But that's it's right.

I fucking love motorcycles.

I love traveling and what we've done.

And at some point you can't put that into somebody else.

You know, I think the motor company had a post of the day.

Some dude ride and was like, how do you explain this to somebody that's ever done it?

I don't fucking know.

Like that's kind of my job is to try to and I strike out fairly often.

It's you can't it's until you do it.

Yeah, it's also one of those things that like if if if you could bottle that up

and sell it as a YouTube video and be a drug.

Well, it would be a drug, but it like it would defeat the purpose of it.

This is a discovery thing.

This is what's amazing about it.

I I made a post the other ride.

I reposted this dude's story and I think I've already said on the podcast.

So I'm apologizing now.

This dude was saying he got rid of his Instagram because for some reason

he followed someone who knows what it looks like on the top of Mount Everest.

And he goes, I didn't fucking climb there.

Like, why do I deserve to be able to see what that's like?

I'm I'm literally on the couch or I'm taking a shit or whatever the case may be.

And so my thing is like that bottle it up and sell it shit.

I'm glad we can't define it.

I'm glad that we can't explain it.

I'm glad that there's no way to really like make any sense of that

because it's something that you have to experience.

And if you could tell someone that and it would give them any any kind of

10 percent of what the feeling is, then it would fucking ruin it.

You know what I mean?

It makes it makes it that much better when you're talking to

for like a better term, a real one.

When somebody's done something some shit, kind of like you've done,

there's a level there that you don't get just talking to somebody that

is thinking about riding bikes or used to ride.

You know, it's there is something about.

It's hard to travel.

Yeah. And it's just because the majority of it, like, you know, like, put like this.

There's a time and a place.

But for the sake of my argument, like, would you rather fly or do a road trip?

Like some people are more into the idea of road trips and they are just getting

there like that journey to the spot.

Those conversations with the person in the car, those truck stops, those

whatever towns you go to, like those are all like a part of the journey that I

crave.

Don't be wrong.

The flight solves the problem when I need to get to born free and I can't

break away from work.

I'm flying to born free.

I get to be there.

I'm still here.

That's what matters.

So the difference is like, in my opinion, is that a lot of people would choose the

comfort of being uncomfortable for two hours rather than being stuck in a car

for 20 hours.

Right.

That's how most people are.

And that's obviously why this, you know, we get to have something unique and

special.

Like, I don't want to gatekeep it.

I would love for the world to understand motorcycles, but I don't fucking

want to do anything more than I'm already doing to try to inspire people to get

into this shit.

Yeah.

At some point it's like,

bro, Hey, every, there is not an easier time to become a motorcyclist.

There's so much, so many bikes, so many ways to get a bike.

Fuck.

If you have a 500 credit score, you can pretty much get some way on a bike.

Right.

But again, there's just like, it's easier to make friends, get a part of

communities, do all the shit.

Now that it's ever been in the history of motorcycling.

And I think people are, I think a lot of people are getting into it.

Maybe they got into it for the right reasons, but then they became like, well,

I want to be an influencer or a YouTuber.

And that's kind of changed their perspective or their ability to allow

natural experiences to happen.

I mean, I said earlier, I wished that I could have had a camera on all those

trips we did, but if I did, would they have been the same trips?

Would we have had the experiences the same if we weren't filming?

You know, so like in a way, like I'm glad I did.

But I wished that I could have shared that with the world, but at the same time,

you know, it's like a, it's a little bit of a duality in that, you know what I'm

saying?

Well, there's a parallel to with the world in general, getting easier and more

convenient and finding things that take effort and yeah, as that, as Oregon

moves to a more convenient, less effort, everything's provided for you.

Everyone's also just living on their phones.

Yeah.

That's what it's like.

Yeah.

That, that I think that will affect too, but for that, it's, I don't miss the

ones that aren't here.

Like you said, I'm tired of trying to preach the gospel.

We'll get, you know, I say that and we had a couple of dudes at

back now a couple of weeks ago or he had to put this, you know, like it was 2020

baby this year, back night, just all the warm and fuzzies got to be looking at it

for all wanting to come finally had the nuts to come.

Awesome.

Dude, you know, everybody brought out with them.

So I say that I'm not worried about anybody.

Yeah, I'm not trying to go out and convert people.

If you're not already sniffing around here, you show up to bike night,

wait you with the same.

So you're back now, you're back right now, dude.

Like you got to bring somebody in, you got to, you know, did you have fun,

that kind of thing?

But as far as trying to, oh, everybody come and do this.

No.

Yes.

It's like when you invited me to bike night, not yet, sir, or as I'm like,

yo, dying a guy, dying a guy.

Right.

Forgot you were in my tree.

That's another one, dude.

I'm the fucking Bill Belichick of this shit.

I'm gonna fucking tray him Ruben dog.

There's a bunch of motherfuckers that I met before and I was like, dude,

come to bike night.

It's like the coolest shit I've ever done.

And I still tell that.

So I told him somebody the day on the porch that, um, so broad I was dating at

the time was like, you know, I'd seen you guys at, uh, what's the last Dan?

No, what's the brewery over there in West Dallas?

The, they do the Pantera beer.

Oh, the real Texas L project.

So that was, uh, I've been going to Bishop arts or I've been going to, uh,

to brass tacks, get my haircut.

And somehow Instagram had kind of, you know, I'd seen you guys the bike night.

Fuck, I didn't know what it was.

I just knew it wasn't a club.

It was something that this, I think this is what I want.

It, it looked like y'all had been hanging out.

Oh, how do I crack in this or looks like they've been hanging out forever.

In reality, it was like two months.

I think everybody had been kicking it.

They had a couple like good Saturday rides.

It's a footage.

Um, and dude, I wanted to go kind of knew about bike night where it was, but it

was the, uh, I don't want to go.

I don't, I don't know much.

Like I'm so new to this.

I don't want to just some chick I was dating the time.

She's like, what are they going to do?

Like beat you up or something.

I was like, no, they're not those kinds of dishes.

Go.

All right.

You're right.

I went and then it's my, you know, it sounds like that dude, my life changed.

Like I wouldn't be here.

I wouldn't have done most of the shit that I'm proudest of in my life before it

for you guys.

And same.

I mean, like I was on a trajectory of doing certain things, but like, I wouldn't

have done, I wouldn't have had the life that I've had if I didn't meet you guys,

you know, a hundred percent.

So maybe I would have had, you know, like I said, I was traveling on bikes

before I met you guys, but there's no way I could have ever, you know, basically

what I'm saying is like, I 100% would not have, I wouldn't be here if I didn't

meet all you guys 100%.

And those were, were all at and where everything had gone.

It's like I want to give you a compliment, but I also don't want to give you

all the autonomy of like, I want to jack you off.

I'm still cool as fuck.

And I would have been cool no matter what, but you guys were cool.

So, you know, no, I, it's like how I met Jones literally on like the highway.

So it's like, he was driving down to giddy up and I was with like some of the

younger chopper guys, like Elliot, my buddy, Andrew, Paul had just gotten some

sports or chopper that we picked up in Georgia.

And then like random guy at the gas station, man, you look like you're

going to a motorcycle show.

He's like, yeah, perfect.

Come on with us.

And then that was when he met y'all.

And then so it's like, I kind of met Kyle then.

Or Jones.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

So it's like, I met him on the highway.

I'm like, Hey, you're going to giddy up and we were all in.

I didn't ride my rogue, glad to get you up the first year he went.

It was like, he was on a blue dyna.

That was the second year then.

Cause the first year he went, I asked him to ride my rogue,

like, yeah, or a dyna.

It might, it might have just been a different color.

I have a video of it on my YouTube from when I used to do like pro stuff.

I don't know.

We're getting the Texas L project thing.

I'd gone over there because brass tacks had an event and I got there and I saw

you had the gold FXR and I was like, wait a minute.

That's, that's one of the dudes from, and then y'all bounced out within

like five minutes or so and I stayed because I just got in there.

Ended up getting drunk.

Uh, but finally, I don't, I probably talked to him, but talked to Jesse.

And then I bought a knife from knives by Nick.

It's one of those.

I was like, kind of, yeah, man, I'm probably going to get all of me.

I'm Jack's teller.

I'm going to get that one.

Well, I found this green one.

I guess I just thought they were this price range.

And he's like, Oh yeah, it's this.

Oh, is that kind of like when we got the hoodies from power plant?

I was like, oof, don't want to look broke.

And you also do it.

Oh, fuck.

Use this.

We're both on the road for 29 days.

And here's this car.

We're at power plant.

We're like, yo, let's get these.

Still one of my favorite hoodies of all time.

And, uh, we didn't ask for the price.

We're just like, oh, 75 bucks.

Maybe it's like $110.

I said, okay, yeah, just swipe that one.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

You need told his shopkeeper, whatever he was like, you know, hook him up.

Yeah.

Get him a shirt each.

I think you got a short sleeve.

And I got a long sleeve.

And the guy was like, like, that's a little bit.

Yeah.

That's not a shirt.

Let me get by with it.

And then yeah, we're both like, Oh, how about the hoodie?

Or are they a hundred bucks?

It was like 110 or 20 bucks.

So quality.

Yeah.

I mean, I still wear mine by those Harley glasses at Black Hills Harley.

That was with Jones.

Tom, man.

20, 20.

He told them the Tom has me bought them.

Oh, yeah.

That was the year before I went to Jones went the year right before I was.

Well, they didn't have it.

You know, that's what might get out of a case.

And 60, 70 bucks, something like that.

They rang up like one fifth, like something where I was like, wait, wait,

I got the glasses.

I think you got it mistaken.

At that point, you were high and you're like, fucking, I think

sir, you had to have the oh, there.

I think they're in the room.

You have that slurs at night.

I think I was like, OK, he's always staying the bag.

Thank you.

Hello.

Yeah.

I got to wrap it up, guys.

No, yeah.

It's been it's been a deep one.

For a good.

Well, Quaint zoning.

I don't feel like we got to call it some different because I don't think the

world knows that they haven't been around long enough to know what the

Quaint zones are.

Is it still your go back to your homework, bitches?

I have people on do that.

They only look forward.

How do we get to the episodes?

Go back and they're on YouTube.

And then like the original ones are on Patreon, like the way we started.

Yeah, the name came from Krusey on the podcast.

So yeah, because the Quaint zone is our our our Wi-Fi password here.

Oh, it's a Wi-Fi name.

Password.

Quaint zone 431.

It's a password.

Yeah.

All right.

Love you boys.

Love you too, Bones.

Oh, man, I hope you guys enjoyed that.

And if you stayed all the way to the end, congratulations.

And it was good.

If you were watching the video version of this, you probably see the

mountain of tall boys that we all drink.

And yeah, it was it was a good time.

It was a much needed like just hanging with my friends, talking, you know,

getting shit off my chest and, you know, all that kind of stuff.

Probably shouldn't be doing on microphones for the world to hear.

But, you know, fuck it, right?

Again, hopefully you guys enjoyed that.

If you want to support this podcast, you know, we have a Patreon.

It's it's there.

It's there to support the show so that we can go and travel and do these events.

You know, get more guests on and do the events and be a part of the

this stuff.

And yeah, it helps make that happen.

So if you're interested for what you spent on a Red Bull, you could be

supporting this podcast, you know, once a month, one Red Bull month, I guess,

is the way you would say it.

So yeah, I appreciate it.

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I am, like I said, at the beginning intro, I am almost done with this FXR build.

And I will be back to a very, very good schedule of putting out podcasts for you guys.

So I do appreciate the patience and hopefully you guys are having a good one

and getting a good start to this summer.

All right, peace.

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