Rams Owners & Altima Owner, Comparing Cars, People Wont Buy It | Bogetti Solo EP13

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All right, guys. Welcome back to the show. We're giving a little live podcast. As we do,

all of these podcasts start out on the Bogey Bunch on TikTok and then they end up on Bogey Studios

on YouTube as a live show. So if you want to participate in the chat, there's no time set.

There's no reason. There's no rhyme or reason to when I go live. I just randomly do and whoever

gets on gets on and we're going to do another show. We're going to have some fun. We're going to talk

about some things. There's some likes coming in. I got some things to talk about. There's

some things always going on in the automotive world that are always fun. And yeah, that's

kind of the gist of it. I got back from Disney yesterday which was

Disney is something because it is both very cool, very fun, also very, very expensive.

They are very proud of that place. Oh, that's cool. I mean, it's insane. We had $150 lunch

for me, Bronte and CJ. That's crazy. Just three of us. Just for lunch at Disney. It's not like the

food is that good. I mean, it's good but it's not, you know, I don't think it's $150 worth of good

food. I mean, it's like marginally good at best. But then there's a line. People are lined up to

get in. It's like $350 for the couple of us. It's for the memory. The kids make it worth

it. Yeah, I mean, I hope so. He's not even two years old. He better remember.

I hate to be down about it. I mean, we had a lot of fun. Thankfully, we got to go

with the Mitchells and we had a great experience with them.

Huge shout out to them for some of the things that they supplied and some, you know,

we obviously paid our way on a lot of it. But there was a VIP element to it that they

helped us out with. They did on their end of things for the group. And the three of us got

to tag along on that, which was very nice. But we spent one night. We weren't even on property.

The hotel, thankfully, was pretty cheap comparatively. The hotel was cheaper than the food.

The hotel was cheaper than the park tickets and stuff like that. We went to two parks,

Animal Kingdom in the morning, and then Magic Kingdom in the evening, which

not the evening because we left Magic Kingdom at like $330. Doing it with children is not easy.

We'd had three kids there, the youngest being

one and a half and the oldest being three-ish. So like in that range, CJ's a year and like

eight months, then a little bit younger and a little bit older. So not for the faint of heart,

not at all.

CJ slept through the one, if you know Disney, you know that there's one ride where you get to

drive cars in Magic Kingdom. You get to drive the Tomorrowland Speedway, where there are

basically these like carbureted from the 70s little bumper cars that are on a track so you

don't bump into each other and you just get to floor it and the wheel kind of doesn't do anything

and you just bounce back and forth until you get to the end and you don't actually get to do

anything great. But the carburetors are clearly running so poorly on those things that

they're such a disparity between the good ones and the bad ones and they're all

burning a ton of excess fumes and smell and it's just like it's crazy. It's crazy that you're like,

wow, Disney is so advanced and then all of a sudden there's these like shitty little

carbureted gas burning cars that are so inefficient from so long ago.

Let's see, Tomorrowland Speed. I'm pretty sure it's called the Tomorrowland Speedway.

Yeah, oh man, if you know the Tomorrowland Speedway, you know I forced Garrett to go on it

because I'm like, you got to experience these things because it's amazing that they're at

Disney. Yeah, those things are unbelievably bad. Let's see.

What year are they built? Close enough. They opened in 1971. That means that those cars,

I doubt they've changed them, they look exactly the same, have been cooking around that track

since 1971, day in and day out and they feel all of that. Yeah, I'm in the same boat. I drove them

when I was a child. I'm 30 years old now. I drove them when I was like two years old.

Like, it's amazing that they haven't changed these things yet and they're not fast.

They're not like, they're not quality. I mean, I'm not like pushing them to make them electric, but

and they sure would be a lot better, but you know, it's the experience. The kids need a little bit

of burnt fuel going into their face, a little bit of carbon monoxide getting into them.

It's clearly like 87. It's probably leaded gas still because why wouldn't it be?

Yeah, if you don't know about the Tomorrowland Speedway, you're missing out. It is a very awesome

experience. So CJ slept through that one. He slept through Winnie the Pooh

and then he got to go on Peter Pan. So he was, he was living it.

We did not get to experience the Tomorrowland Speedway, unfortunately. Next time.

We'll have to go back. He did get to go meet Lightning McQueen at the Disney's

Art of Animation Hotel. They have a whole Lightning McQueen setup. He was,

kid was living. He is a big Lightning McQueen fan and he has never seen the movie Cars. He just likes

that there's a car with teeth and a smile in eyes, I think. He's watched some clips,

but he's never actually watched the movie. So your guess is as good as mine.

Am I Cletus's ghost writer? No. What would I be writing for him? Scripts?

The writing fake things that happen in videos because, you know, videos of course are all

fake. Everything's a paid actor. They got pulled over by the cops. Those are paid actors.

Nothing on the wife's new SUV. Funny enough, her sister just got a new passport yesterday,

the passport trail sport. And it seems like a good car, but I don't know.

I've not driven one, or really experienced one. It's just hard to know if a passport

is worth 50 grand brand new. Seems a little steep. Seems a little high on the MSRP for my liking,

for a Honda. Something that should be in the 30s personally. But I mean it seems like a good car.

It's got premium comfort, premium interior, as that Honda describes everything. You click, it's like

interior premium. My wife is basically dead set on a Chevy Traverse.

Basically dead set on that. I feel like that's probably a good option.

That's what she wants. It's impossible to change her mind.

Hey, I appreciate you hitting the follow button. You guys didn't know all the live feeds go back up

on to Bogetti Studios podcast channel so that people can listen back to them. They are ramblings

that I try to make into a podcast somewhat where we can just talk about cars. I want

Bronte to get an Explorer ST also. If you're listening on the podcast, I'm sorry if I

go off topic more than usual when I'm doing live because I try to balance it out whether I'm

talking about a topic or talking to the live feed people. We can talk about my Ram Altima

debacle. The other day I made a video on TikTok and Facebook. I posted it on Facebook and it

has about 800,000 views or something now. I said the Ram 1500 is the Nissan Altima of the truck

world. You may know that Ram owners, 1500 owners tend to be sensitive. I didn't know how sensitive

until I made this post and they came out of the woodwork. They were like personal insults which

I don't care. I mean you can personally insult me all you want. It's just correct. It's just

physically correct. That's the proof because they were able to physically attack me

but they were not able to disprove my theory which shows that my theory was correct because it's

very easy to attack the person that says it versus actually attack it. Now when I say that

I don't mean because the car itself, I'm more talking the driving habits of the driver,

how people treat them and realistically they are reliable enough where they aren't running great

but they're running. They're literally running to the point where they are falling apart,

dragging parts, ticking, making popping sounds, brakes are failing but they are still running

and that is part of the ultimate experience is they are to a level where they are still getting

down the road and then the other part of it is when you do the math they are more likely to

get into car accidents. They are more likely to crash. They're more likely to do all of these

things. Where did I have that? I had a whole yeah so at fault accidents they are

like most of where was it? I had a whole breakdown list of it somewhere.

So they're higher than average for crashes. They are number two in DUIs.

They are the highest in speeding tickets. They have a higher than average accident per 1000 drivers.

They are the fifth in all citations given, number five in all citations given and Ram

3500 owners are the highest in at fault fatal crashes and some people are like that is because

of hot shotters. Maybe, maybe it is but it's still a fact. You see a Ram 3500 on the road

that is the most likely vehicle to crash into you and kill you just statistically speaking.

I don't know what to tell you. You know some people were mad at me about that. Those are just

the stats. That is just the math. The math and statistics tend not to lie. I have them all pulled

up okay. They are at fault accidents. They're higher than average. Ram 3500 are the worst truck

on average. They are the second worst in all accidents. They are the worst in speeding tickets

and the second worst in DUIs and the fifth worst in all citations given. Just most likely.

And then I even asked Chad to give you a breakdown and explain what you think of all this

data. And it said Ram drivers don't just crash more. They speed more, drink more and rack up more

tickets than almost anyone else. And when they're in a heavy duty Ram 3500 crashes are more likely

to be fatal for the other driver. Bottom line, Ram trucks attract America's most reckless drivers.

Again, this is just Chad GPT giving me this information.

It's actually made it even worse I think when they split dodge from Ram because it's even easier to

get all this data because it used to be kind of difficult because you would just look up dodge

and dodge would have its own thing going on. But now you can separate dodge and Ram

which made it kind of fun. So again, not my fault that you guys have these statistics that follow

you. It's the same with the Ultima. It's not every Ultima owner's fault. But on average,

if you get cut off in traffic and you look, it's likely to be an Ultima or a Dodge Ram.

Sorry, a Ram. It's a Ram Ram 1500. I always mix that up. The car maker is Ram,

the model is Ram, and it's a 1500. So you have to say it's a Ram Ram 1500 just to be

fully correct. You can't say it's just a Ram 1500 because that doesn't describe who

the manufacturer is. But I got people very mad. They're calling me the Nissan Ultima of the automotive

YouTube space, which whatever that means, I mean, sounds like that would be a great spot to be,

honestly. Everybody knows about the Nissan Ultima. Who doesn't enjoy Nissan Ultima?

People make whole races about Nissan Ultimas. There are millions of memes about Nissan

Ultimas and Nissan has still yet to lean into it. I also think that both of them, Nissan Ultimas and

Rams have done a very strong, like, ninja loan situation. No income, no job. And you can still

get one. Is that also the case? Like a low credit score type of vehicle? I've never tried to buy

one. But I imagine they wouldn't ask any questions. And they would just like, you're good, dude. Go be a

menace on the roads. Sorry, Ram owners. I don't mean to. It's not like a choice that I make. But

I have such a strong bias against all Stellantis products. And probably because

they've been such a hot potato in the automotive world, it was like, you were FCA, you were Daimler,

you were Stellantis, you were Chrysler, like, it's like nobody wants them. But yet they expect

the consumers to want them. Does that make sense? Like, if no billion dollar brand wanted them,

why, why would you expect me as a consumer to want one? If you guys genuinely didn't want it or couldn't

make it work? That's crazy. I mean, even Lee Iacocca had a great quote about buying one.

Let me see. I gotta find it. He basically said,

oh, Lee Iacocca issued a car buyers bill of rights. I should read that at some point.

He basically said,

where is it? Stellantis is such garbage. We all know, right? It's just, it's just that bad.

Hey, it's Raj. And Noah. And we're back with a new season of Am I Doing It Wrong,

the show that explores the all too human anxieties we have about trying to get our lives right.

Because we're still doing a lot of stuff wrong. But who isn't? That's why each week we're talking

about the topics that we could all use a little helping hand with, whether it's making new friends

as an adult, managing our emotions or even dreaming. We'll be talking to experts in

their fields who are definitely doing things right. So the rest of us can be a bit wiser

and a lot better equipped to handle whatever life throws at us. Subscribe now and listen

to new episodes of Am I Doing It Wrong, dropping every Thursday starting January 1st,

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episodes on YouTube. Because as long as there are things to get wrong, we're going to be right here

to help you do them better. Love y'all.

There it is.

And it doesn't make any difference what he makes. Washing machines, toasters, or roller skates.

Me? I'm in the car business. And I've been saying for a long time that Chrysler makes cars that are

as good, if not better, than anything coming out of America, Europe, or Japan. Now to show you

the kind of confidence we have in the quality of our products, right now, when you buy any

new Chrysler, Plymouth, or Dodge American built passenger car, Chrysler will protect your

investment three ways. One, a five year or a 50...

Yeah, so basically he said about, you know, confidence in the person buying the car. Confidence

in the car buying experience is the just of it. Which I have a lot of respect for what Lea

Iacocca did for the Chrysler brand at the time. Even the Chrysler building in Dearborn, Michigan,

I believe. They said it was built because of him and his minivan, because the minivan saved them.

What was his famous quote? He had another one. If you can find a better car, buy it.

There's no shot Lea Iacocca would show up to a Chrysler dealership and buy anything they got

on the lot. I mean, first off, the only thing Chrysler has on a lot right now is a

Chrysler Pacifica. So it's not exactly the hot commodity of the 2025s, you know. It's not the car

of the year or anything. It's been around for since ever. I think it's up there with the

GTR of just like retire it already. Let's see.

I was actually thinking that yesterday when I saw a I saw a Dodge grand caravan and I was like,

oh yeah, Dodge used to make a minivan too. Like, that's crazy. So okay, so they've made

the Pacifica since 2017, nine years now. But I saw this Dodge grand caravan and it just reminded me

that Dodge used to make a minivan Chevy used to make a minivan Ford used to make a minivan right

Ford had minivans but none of them do anymore. They've completely given that market up to

Ford had the Aero Star, the Astro Vans and stuff, but that was like a far stretch from

like current day minivans. I used to drive a Astro Van all the time for work and that thing was

that thing was a bad unit, honestly. But they've completely given that market up to

Honda and I mean the Chrysler I guess is the big one and

Toyota Toyota's got the bad ass minivan.

I was a I keep pushing Bronte to get one of those

Toyota minivans but she's always like, I'm not getting a Sienna, but the Sienna's bad ass.

The Sienna is a bad ass unit. Guys, how would you convince your wife to get a Toyota Sienna

if you had to? Would you show her the colors they come in? The cement gray or maybe like the magnetic

gray? As cool as they look in the cement gray, I feel like it's a little bit of a a little bit

of a lark. Like just own that it's a minivan and get it in like cypress green or ice cap white.

You know, just just own it. The supercharged Previa. Yeah, but did we ever get those in the US?

Did we ever get the Previa? Did they originally come to the US? I don't know, not even know.

They are cool. I don't know if the Previa let her buckle the kids in a couple of times. Yeah,

I feel like we need to go look at one.

I'm sure the green is nice. Toyota's pretty good about selecting colors for cars like they pick

the right color. But the cement gray just feels like they're trying to make it something it's not.

You know, like it's almost like too sporty of a color. It's like, okay, this is not an RS7.

Like let's let's be real here.

Oh, look at this family washing their minivan together. That could be us. It's an Asian

family wouldn't really exactly be us, but it'd be close enough. It's got a big screen,

the shifter, it's got a fridge built in in the back.

Oh, it has a built in vacuum cleaner. I forgot about that. That was pretty genius move.

Yeah, gray has been overplayed on cars. Gray with black wheels. It's like the quintessential

it's like move the product gray. Like when you put like a gray car on the market on the

lot, it's probably like more likely to get sold. So it's like,

don't dealers kind of have like words for that kind of stuff where they they know a car is going to

sell in a certain in a certain spec. 3500 pound towing capacity. I've never seen anybody tow

with a Sienna, but I do feel that would be kind of fun. Hybrid 2.5 liter four cylinder ECVT. Wow.

It's not a CVT. It's an ECVT. I do still have the CTSB wagon and it's in in the garage.

245 net combined horsepower. That is a weird way to tell me it has 245 horsepower.

Name a car for an edit. Hit me with a CTSV wagon, the best wagon of all time.

You know, I saw a base model CTS CTS wagon because they made like actual wagons that were C that

were V and then they made base model wagons. And I was I started to wonder, I was like,

is that really that rare? And I would say honestly, it is extremely rare. So if you didn't know the

CT wagon, the CTS wagons, they only made 10,000 of them, and they only made 1500 V wagon. So yes,

super rare. But even just a base model CTS wagon is extremely rare, which I find kind of

awesome that, you know, people own a CTS wagon base model that can't all will drive also, I'm pretty

sure. And it just be this kind of underrated rare car. The other question though, okay, let's talk

about mom cars again. Do we need more wagons in 2026? Okay. This is a big topic of mine

lately that I've been thinking a lot about. Now, car guys love wagons. Car guys in the big 2025 are

not big new car buyers in 2026. They are buying older vehicles. Wagons will not sell well on the

new car market, in my opinion, they just won't. They, they will sell great on the used car

market if somehow car manufacturers could skip the new car market and go right to used. But

like a lot of things, the new car market is not going to buy them. I even I was talking about

like the Hummer EV would be great if it had an L five P Duramax in it. But at the price and,

you know, who's buying the Hummer probably wouldn't care about the diesel version. Again,

not a big market for that likely. I'm just guessing, of course, there's no way to really know if there's

a market or not. Same with the same with the the excursion that I was just talking about.

How cool would it be with a 7.3 Godzilla? Awesome for car guys. But for the general public,

they would not care because you could get a pretty awesome, you could get a really good

amount of performance and tow ability out of something like that, but ain't no one buying it.

And that's a 2016. The Pacifica EV was just about to come out. Pacifica EV was

quite a bad idea, realistically. Let's just be honest here.

What company is going to be the next SUV King?

What do you mean by SUV King, though? So I guess to follow that up.

But the problem is, so okay, so you can get the same horsepower out of the 3.5 in the expedition,

but it's not going to tow the same as the 7.3. It's not going to have that low end torque.

It's not going to just cruise as well. It's going to be more labored. It's just not the same. It's

not it's not going to be the same even if the power numbers are the same. Like a gas engine

that makes the same horsepower as my diesel. And obviously my diesel is going to make

more torque at a lower RPM. It's just not going to cruise the same. It's not just going to

like hold that RPM as effortlessly. So let's talk about Dodge announced a big SUV

2500 frame and can be optioned with a diesel. What what vehicle is that? I'm not aware of that one.

But King of SUVs. So what do you mean by King? Do you mean are they who's going to sell the most

units or who's going to have the most enthusiast centric SUVs or who is just going to have the

best all around SUVs? Is it going to be Toyota? Now Toyota has like a buckshot approach it

looks like right now. They have thousands of SUVs available. Different models. They have the

crowned Cygnia, the Land Cruiser, the Sequoia, the 4Runner, the Highlander,

the BZ4X, the RAV4, the Corolla Cross. They have so many and they are great looking SUVs but

who will be the King is a whole other question. Yeah, it probably will be Toyota. Toyota Land Cruiser

is unmatched. I mean it looks awesome. That's for sure. I don't know if it's unmatched. I mean

it probably is. They're they're pretty reasonably priced comparatively especially when you look

at the Lexus stuff. The Lexus has obviously they're the same but Lexus definitely punched

a little higher above. Does anybody care about talking about SUVs? It seems so boring. Sorry to

bore you guys with SUV talk but other things I think they should make. I think they should

put the Godzilla in a Mustang as well. I think they should put the the 3.5 twin turbo EcoBoost

in the Mustang as well. I don't think they should just I don't think it should be a

four cylinder EcoBoost. I think it should be the V6 EcoBoost Mustang. Right? They don't have that.

That's that's a gap in their market. They have the Performance EcoBoost Mustang and then they have

they used to have a which one did they cut? I can't remember. They cut one of them. They used

to have the the four cylinder then they had the V6 that was no turbo then they had the V8.

Yeah the 3.5 in the Mustang would be awesome. They have the NA V6 but that's not that cool.

The 3.5 yeah the 3.7 V6 Mustang got cut and now it's just the EcoBoost one but it's just

a four cylinder one. There's this cool V6 EcoBoost that is just being underutilized in the Mustang

and again no one's gonna buy it. No one. No one. Mustang sales are already so bad

that putting an EcoBoost and further skewing their market is only gonna make it worse.

Mustang sales the Mustang Mach E outsold the Mustang. All while the Camaro is gone completely gone

and they're still not selling well. This should be the time they sell great. Dodge has nothing to offer

for the most people. So what are they gonna do? They're kind of just like

like they're just gonna shut the Mustang down.

Why would I not go by what? Why do you go by Bogetti and not Mitchell?

It is my last name. That is that is my last name right there.

Yeah but is the Genesis selling well? I mean I don't think Mustang is trying to compete with the

Genesis. If anything I think that whole segment's completely done and washed.

Like I think that whole entry level the 400Z, the Supra, the Mustang, the Genesis. I think

that whole segment is completely cooked. I don't think there's anybody buying new performance cars

for that $40,000 to $50,000 range. I think the OEMs know that that is a dead segment

so they're pricing higher. I think you'll see Toyota's new rendition of the Supra is gonna

be priced higher. You'll see it the same way in everything else. Nissan is finding that out. Chevy

already found that out. Honda has nothing in that segment of course. They're pretty out there.

Mazda still has the single MX-5 but they've already made so much money probably off that car

because they haven't changed it in so long that it just doesn't matter. Mustang is alone in the

muscle car. They can but they're not selling so like yeah they're alone but it's not selling.

There's no competition because there's no market. That's why. You might as well just

get a Corvette for $60,000 and those are even not selling that well. The Corvettes are mostly

just zero sixes sitting on lots.

And I think a lot of it is probably the Plateau. There's a performance

Plateau that we've gotten to so if you look from say like this say the 80s to 2008

there was a huge boom in cars performance but then from like 2012 to 15-ish it just kind of plateaued

and then that's where we're at now. So like a car from 2012-13-ish is not all that much

worse performance wise than a modern car. Yeah but you're talking rare rare $200,000 market.

We're talking entry level.

That market hasn't changed that much. What was a 2012 Nissan?

Like what was it a 370Z?

Does the new Z really outperform a 370Z all that much? Does it do all that much more?

Does my 2012 CTS-V that makes 600 horsepower with a couple bolt-ons really really justify

replacing it for something more modern just for the screens and stuff but

what's really this is from custom motor gear this picture this is a he made this of just my car

I don't know where else he would get them honestly. Nissan forgot the 370Z. I mean

the GT-R was a great example so they made the GT-R in 2007 and didn't have to replace it

because there wasn't competition there to justify replacing it they didn't have to implement a new

GT-R because the one that they decided 2007 was still relevant in all the conversations

because of a plateau because we just hit like a what what really is there left.

Yeah the 400Z I mean Nissan's a bad example because they're so bad just all of Nissan is so bad

my car does not have factory launch control I think they put that in in 2016 in cars

2016 CT-5V Blackwing launch control do any Cadillacs have that I don't even know

yeah they have it in the 2016 cars so it came out a few years later in the CT-5V Blackwing

but half of the CT half of the CTS-V wagons were stick shift anyways so launch control

wouldn't really do all that much but yeah launch control is cool it is fun

even like the I saw a Subaru Impreza yesterday and I was thinking the same thing I was like dang

does Subaru make anything anymore did Subaru kind of just throw in the towel I remember how much

I wanted a WRX or like an STI growing up and then they have the 2005 the 2025 BRZ is the same

um I mean unlike a modern car launch control won't do much for a stick shift car from my

understanding I mean I don't think you're gonna be able to use I've never tried it on a stick

shift car like a does anybody have like a CT-5V Blackwing launch control stick shift how well does

that work like the WRX is that all they got do they even have a STI version of it

they don't is that like a new thing how come no one told me that

yeah but the CT-6V Blackwing is is cool and underrated but they only made

like that that engine that's in that has only got a couple thousand of them

air compressed shifters yeah but it's not just about the shifter it's about dropping the clutch

helps it not to bog down interesting manual launch control is just rpm holding the brake

holding and brake application yeah but you gotta remember you're slipping the clutch a

little bit differently so yeah I can hold the rpm but you still have to slip the clutch I've never

used a modern launch control in a stick shift car

yeah but then you're going to be at like 8000 rpm so I see how it can make sense

but it also does seem no you don't want to just drop the clutch that won't work that's just

going to spin the tires on like a street tire I mean if you have like a I don't know somebody'd

have to say yeah I've had two step on stick shift cars and I get that but that's like a

aftermarket two-step it's not like a modern it's not like a modern

launch control I don't know I can't I can't really speak on that that much maybe somebody

with like a new GR Supra stick shift has it there's only so many cars like so many model cars

that have both the both launch control and stick shift option like current ones

newer six gens had it the six gen Camaro launch control and stick shift but I haven't seen anybody

use them together even like on a drag strip but maybe that's because nobody ever drag races

six gen Camaros because there's a few but not that many people I work with CTE 5 black wings daily

what do you do with them daily they are cool I think they're a little boring looking but they are

cool yeah it sounds cool

wait I have two of them his and hers my CT 5v had launch control it was manual so you didn't dump

the clutch I don't know what that means I'm trying to understand trying to get it all here trying to

grasp the F-150s did not come stick shift I don't know if there is any stick shift ones but they

didn't come with it the sad part about the new Subaru WRX too is that it is a CVT which

I've heard isn't such a deal breaker but it's kind of a deal breaker right

I mean you can no lift shift anything if you got the balls for it

I don't I don't know if the super will get a V8 if you look at what engines Toyota has to offer

a V8 is one of them from the Lexus LC 500 they could put that in there and it would obviously

cost like a hundred grand to do I don't know if that would be something they're interested in

doing I don't know if there's a big market for $100,000 Supra I know they've split their ties with BMW

so they'll either develop a new engine that's six cylinder or you just kind of have to

you kind of have to go to the partspin and I don't hate partspins I think that there's a

lot of good that can come out of a partspin there's a lot of cool things that partspins

have to offer but it seems like people tend to go to the budget partspin instead of like the good

partspin and then you end up with like a four cylinder hybrid instead of like the V8 which would

be incredibly devastating if Toyota ends up with like a four cylinder hybrid hybridized 400 horsepower

engine instead of a V8 but that is kind of what the automakers do you know they're trying to make

this thing affordable they're trying not to uh they're trying not to go the way of Chevy and

make a car that nobody buys and you have to discontinue I think the BMW relationship was

probably gonna we're probably gonna look back at the BMW relationship and think that was

that was the better of the of the two options that's how I think this is gonna end up

I think that people are gonna like the BMW G80 Supra better than

or is it a 90 a 90 Supra better than what Toyota ends up coming out with

yeah but Kia has cheap stuff but it's not like that good of performance like the Kia Stinger is not

super cheap bang for your buck right even like the Ionic 5 the Hyundai I couldn't believe how

that is damn near that should be damn near illegal to do that honestly they are selling that Ionic 5

for 70 thousand dollars 70 am I just that poor that I can't imagine spending 70 grand on a Hyundai

EV like what are we talking about here does Kia not have a performance section

lame you know when you go like a car brand you want to see like the performance stuff just like

right away do they even have the Stinger anymore they have the k4 turbocharged 190 horsepower

190 horsepower you say there Kia relax we can't handle it the seats look nice

the EV6 GT I did see one of those the other day they look kind of cool

they're like very sleek but again I don't know I mean what do these things run you

it's really hard to justify 42 thousand dollars for an EV Kia that's just insane

yeah I mean that is a deal breaker on cars like the Kia Stinger could have been really cool

if it didn't have constant catastrophic engine failure

my favorite German car brand and maker would probably be

I want to my knee jerk reaction is BMW but I don't love their inline six cylinder obsession

so maybe I'll go with Audi because they Audi seems to try things that others don't like

they'll try a v10 more frequently they'll try the eights they'll try twin turbos more

frequently than the current BMW lineup and I'm not talking historically just currently

seems like Audi is a little more adventurous and I like that BMWs got like a good engine and

they're just like yeah we'll just put that in everything Hyundai Ionic 5N MSRP

$67,000 for a Hyundai Ionic 5 that does that not sound crazy like you see these prices and my first

knee jerk reaction is like guys don't buy these things and they'll have to make them cheaper

but unfortunately people will go out and buy them and they'll continue to sell them for that price

yeah you can get a new diesel for that who was it the other day Motor Trend had a

article comparing the Ionic 5N to a C8 base model that was their benchmark

car brands are so lost and journalists are so lost right now

that they don't even know what to benchmark against what and the Ionic 5 beat it in most

situations they did but still I mean who's cross shopping a four-door hatchback with a Corvette

it's just crazy the Mercedes AMG GT is cool and it's I think it's the fastest front engine

Nurburgring lap times yes C8 versus Hyundai that was their benchmark C8 versus Hyundai

Ionic 5N yeah there's a whole Motor Trend article on it they were putting the two against each other

which is just so funny that that's that's their comparison

and like I said they actually do on paper stack up pretty closely because the Chevy and the Hyundai

are both the same price

what one do you believe will depreciate worse the electric vehicle which has the worst depreciation

of all time electric vehicles on average have horrible depreciation they tank in price

but maybe they won't make that many Ionic 5Ns so maybe that'll be rare or a base model

C8 and we know for a fact base model Corvettes like C7s you got to look at the C7 because that's

I think comparative to the C8 you can't look at all of them because you got to look at production

numbers you have to you have to wonder which one is the worst buy long term for depreciation

is it the Corvette that will likely lose $30,000 in 10 years or is it the

or is it the Hyundai let's see on cars and bids what C7 Z51 packages have gone for

so you can get a 2014 Stingray for $35,000 white black wheels 31,000 miles $35,000 and I think

that was a oh here's $27,000 for I'm looking at Z51 specifically 32,000 37,000

the Hyundai batteries won't hold the charge anymore after seven years that's a real potential

that we might see is the lack of the EV batteries working after quite a few years

what's the MSRP on a

so the C7 MSRP was what 60 so yeah it's probably lost 60 65 ish it's probably lost

$30,000 over time for a low mileage one so what will the Ionic do mate what will the

CA do probably about the same if not more

it's hard to say but I mean if you're just buying them worried about how much they'll

lose in value you're buying them for the wrong reason but I think it's important to look at

cars and think about how much you're gonna lose on it because you do if you do plan to sell

it at some point it's nice to not buy something that depreciates really crazy it's nice to buy

something that only depreciates like a little bit or like less you know like this car I don't

think depreciated like crazy it's just a little less I like it I enjoy it I drive it but it

hasn't tanked on me

I mean a c7z to a g80 m3 is a great swap the g80 m3 is really freaking good that is such a

awesome car it's undeniably good wow this one just sold for 62,000

and this one sold for 61 another one sold for 62 this one sold for 58

six-speed manual it's hard to it's hard to not think that that's awesome lc500 I like the lc500

it's a good sounding engine it's honestly I think the lc500 did a lot of damage to the LFA

in like a weird brand recognition because they look strikingly similar in the right

in the right context you know when you see when you see an lc500 go by

and you haven't seen an LFA photo in a long time you're like wait

you know what I mean and obviously they're a far cry from an LFA but you gotta admit that like

they're they really took a lot of a lot of design inspiration from the LFA and you never

see LFA's on the road you very rarely see the lc500s but man and a lot of people say they

like the lc500 look much better than the LFA the LFA had that weird back things under the

taillights like those vents or whatever they are

LFA for sure overrided rated compared to the Carrera GT they do sound good but the transmission

from what I know is leaves a lot to be desired kind of speaking out of my ass there because

who am I to say also the Carrera GT has one of the best shifting situations like

shifter locations you've ever seen like the shift knob in wood kind of how it

sits seems awkward but it's all also perfect um it's I don't know just seems seems so great

how do you not love the Carrera GT shifter just seeing that is it just makes you smile

you know like that car's existence just makes you smile

I always love when Solomon Drin painted his the that pink color because it looked so good

the mc2 mc20 is very cool honestly I will say it I saw one a couple weeks ago go by me and I just

I was like in awe I thought it was such a good looking car

I thought it was such a good looking car when it went by and it sounded so good

but yeah depreciation on the depreciation on all those new cars have been pretty bad

like all like the new um Ferraris and stuff have been pretty bad

yeah I think it was the thing about the Jaguar rebrand honestly is like I didn't care about Jaguar

before I don't really care about Jaguar now I don't care about Jaguar in 10 years from now

it just they don't they don't do anything for me that I should be interested in they they are

owned by Tata Motors in India like who cares let them fail like Tata Motors sounds like a joke

sounds made up everything about Tata Motors sounds fake

from the city it's in from the cars it makes from the CEO's name

I'm pretty sure it's all made up Tata Motors they started as a locomotive company the

the CEO is

not to Rajah not not to Rajan Chadres Garan something like that like I said doesn't even sound real

where are they headquartered in they also own

even where their headquartered in Maharashtra India Mumbai Maharashtra yeah see again yeah

they also own Land Rover but it's like so irrelevant to any conversation they were already selling

like none of them this was like the this was like a last-ditch effort I think

the people that get mad at all these rebrands are not the people buying them

an F type R even that sounds fake F type R

I mean they seem pretty nice

I'm sure they're I'm sure they're decent cars what do they go for F type

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see jaguar F type they still sell for a pretty good amount of money okay these are some newer

ones but some of the older ones this one this is 2014 sold for 14 grand man that's rough

29 grand some of them the newer ones don't tank as bad that's pretty crazy

I mean a new one like a 2020 selling for 71k that'd be really hard to if you had 71k in your hand

and you're like shopping around for cars that's really hard to convince me that the jaguar F type

SVR is the is the good bang for your buck can anyone potentially make that argument that they are

the best bang for your buck for 70 grand that would be a really difficult claim to make

because you can get a g80 m3 for that price or can you get an m2 because the new m2 is a pretty legit

man you can get a 2026 speed m2 for 40 how could you possibly walk away with the jaguar

for versus the m2

I think jaguar should fully rebrand as like a Indian company like India like start waving the Indian

flag like really really lean into the heritage really like to a borderline racist way to a

borderline making fun of their culture way that would be the most fun situation I think

most entertaining as a casual consumer would be that would be the most entertaining

I'm trying to think what else you would get for 70 grand I'm sure there's some

Porsches you can get for that price sure there's plenty of outies in that range

because jaguar is doing the same thing that like Lotus does where and even like Land Rover does this

to where they're trying to make you think that they're still like this English company like

oh it's still like British it's still like an English kind of company they're still run by the

English but it's like it's not it's it's just not it's the same as like Lamborghini's not some

Italian car maker it's it's like a facade it's Fugazi they're not they are fully foreign I

mean Lotus it's like Volvo yeah Volvo guess what it's not some Swedish engineered vehicle

anymore it's China but that's happening a lot even like Mini Cooper it's not all BMW engineered at this

point that they try to be like oh you know we rate we we wave the the Union jack look at us

we are doing so good yeah a Whipple uh yeah a Whipple Dark Horse for 70k

China yeah you go get your Volvo that you got your Swedish engineered Volvo but oh no

it's China even like your alpha it's like oh no it's still Antis which is like Netherlands

just like I mean it's it's good that they're not Italian made Italians make horrible vehicles

and I have Italian heritage but I don't I don't trust an Italian car look at all the look at all the uh

Lamborghini's that were Italian until they became German they were like they were really not that good

but they had a lot of like uh they had a lot of like a character and soul to them

but then as they became German they became good with like no soul anymore which cars don't really

have like a soul it's more of like quirks that make you think that they're human because they have

faults and fail and failures um people misunderstand um cars being not perfect and then they

anamorphosize them to be human just because they're not perfect um that's kind of the common misconception

is uh you can't you can't give a car human qualities you're only realizing that it's just

not perfect which is fine oh man you can get a cease how about that versus a a Jaguar F type a C 706

58 5800 miles on it what does C C 706 is go for

that's where it just will not make sense

right here this one sold for 62 k with 15 000 miles or this one sold for 54 k with 28 000 miles on it

that makes that makes an F type seems so so bad

like C 706 is very very peak and it comes with like a really good stick shift transmission and a really

good auto the C 706 does have the supercharger C 506 is pretty awesome too great driver's car

I mean what do um what do the early GT 500s go for I don't really like those but

they are pretty cheap I've never really been like big on that that deal um but you can

get one for like 51 grand this one's 2500 miles and it was bid to 51 grand but never sold

32 000 29 000 oh no that's an older one the new ones are still pretty high

31 000 looks like the cheapest not really my kind of thing

yeah I mean I like most people historically could never afford over 50 000 cars I mean it's

just the cars got more expensive and people's paychecks didn't go up people pretty much want

to buy the same priced cars that they could you know 20 years ago that doesn't exist unfortunately

yeah but like I don't like the 13 to 14 Mustangs the Cobras just not crazy about the GT 500s

I feel like I'd rather have a coyote car with the more upgraded interior

for that body style the seats always didn't do it for me either the seats having those like ridges

how do we fix it Cooper um

how do you fix

I believe you can fix the entire auto industry pricing by going back to the gold standard

I know that sounds like a big step but I think that's the only way to save it you have to fix the

whole money supply it's my more conspiratorial um cap you know you have to end private banking

I'll not end private banking but you have to um end the Federal Reserve and the ability to print money

and force everybody back onto a gold standard or like a bitcoin standard that would be the only

other potential but I think the bitcoin standard would be a little bit sketchier because I think

the CIA owns most of the bitcoin yeah Starbucks is likely a bank as well because they hold a lot

of money in just um in just like my wife's account alone you know it's always weird my wife has to buy

Starbucks by putting money onto her account and then spending it there's like a middleman

transaction very odd

yes 11th gen civic si are very cool they always will be

because reasonable cars are cool it's great it's great to have a reasonable car

the civic si hatchback is pretty legit though

the problem is whoa you got a galaxy appreciate you guys

see was there a question with that galaxy did I miss it I hate to I hate to miss out on that question with the galaxy

you

um you can't buy things with cash anymore because that would require you to carry around cash

and most places in the united states they will mug you and steal your cash um because

they don't believe that you deserve to have your cash does that make sense

I just I was actually watching it right here when Brett won LDR so that was pretty sick that car with a stock block

twin turbo streetcar coyote

won LDR again some really heavy hitters and not only that put the best time on the board a 388

and it was seven miles an hour faster than the rest of the class seven miles an hour

unfortunately that just means that he's going to get punished so

if you do good things in drag racing you get a weight penalty for the next race so

class racing is uh

is a bummer like that

how good you are only reflects negatively on your next performance because

now he maybe gets 50 pounds added on to it

or they try to take away like lockup converter i don't know something

they'll do something to him

what do you guys think the best 90s jdm car is i'm looking at an nsx right here

but i've never thought that it was the nsx it always felt so underpowered to me and not just

underpowered but like potential being low um as much as i love that car it just like it doesn't

seem like it has enough potential to make a lot of horsepower and maybe i'm just being a horsepower

snob but i would like to see you know 800 out of a jdm car and give like 800 is like a base like fun

street car

maybe um

yeah like a 240 has a lot of potential

mr twos are cool supers have a lot of potential i don't like the 300 zx's i don't really care for that

um

i i know nsx was about balance but like also

you know

meh like i get it was trying to like compete with like ferrari at the time

rx7 fd is always peak on my list and especially because the potential there is to rebuild a rotary

every year which is fun i like the idea of rebuilding a rotary every couple years

do you think we'll always talk about 90s jdm cars even like 60 years from now people will

still be talking about 90s jdm cars i hope not like i i hope not because i hope that

better things come out and if we constantly are looking at the past that means that we

we kind of have failed the future if you get what i mean like we gotta

we gotta hope

that like we stop paying attention to 90s jdm cars because things get better

but it's not going that way and that's the sad part i want it to get better

i want to see like i'd rather people be talking in the future about like 20 28s because

they that's the only way that the car industry keeps going we can't always talk about 90s cars

just like we can't we can't keep talking about 60s and 70s muscle cars so i don't really talk

about them i don't really care a bunch about them onward and upward even though i'm still stuck 30 years ago

i do like so i like that the hypercar guys have noticed this because i think it might trickle down

you've heard people like christian cunning sag talk about this and um what's his name uh the guy that owns uh

i can't remember the other hypercar brand but they're talking about how people just want

v12s and they don't care that it's not as good performance as the other cars they they would

rather like people will accept lower performance as long as their internal combustion cars because

they want the sound they want the feel they want the they want that feeling and they won't get it in

evs so there is this like already this like push from even those guys like they look at remak and

they're like oh you know yes remak is the best not best performance but our customers still prefer

to order you know v8s v10s v12s so we'll stick to making those even though they know that it's

not the best performance so that's something that is really exciting and that's something that

you know yes as a performance enthusiast i would love to see

it be the best performance ever but also i like sounds and smells and feelings and rumbles so

hopefully that sticks that would be great to see that stick and i think they are leading that charge

cunning seg and man i can't think of the other one the um

the pagani yeah pagani zanda and those the the team over at pagani was saying the same thing

where their ev stuff wasn't as well received when they talked to their customers as their gas

gas powered stuff even though it's more expensive even though it's more performance it just was not as

well well liked 20 times chili dang that's cool you can send a chili i was unaware

they do serve a very niche group of people they do but i hope that what they do

reflects differently they also can do different things with environmental stuff because they make

really small um numbers they're kind of under the radar of um of some of the car manufacturers

i mean not car manufacturers but like the government regulations and stuff

so it's a little different um let's change topics quick here have any of you guys

i used to watch a lot of vin wiki have you guys seen kasey the car guy

you guys seen what he's been up to you guys listen to his videos guy is like

i don't want to say he's lost it because he says a lot of things that are actually

pretty interesting but and there's a lot of things that i've agreed with that he says but

he's lost it in a way where he's having these long videos like 40 minutes they're getting a lot of views

kasey the car guy on youtube recommend check it out because it's fairly interesting

um very different level of

very different level of uh talking uh the edison motor stuff is pretty cool

i think that that guy's got a lot of things going on that go in the right way he's clearly

very passionate about it i think for his niche of logging it makes a lot of sense

but i think it makes a lot of sense for in general because um

it's the same way that locomotives work and locomotives are pretty great so there's no reason why

um there's no reason why it wouldn't work in uh

there's no reason why it wouldn't work in trucking whistling diesel now i was actually just asking

garret yesterday what he thought whistling diesel because like i said in the beginning we're at

disney together and i was like man you see whistling diesel is kind of having like a little bit of a

crash out and you know i don't want to say this because i don't want whistling to attack me for

being a poor that can't afford a Lamborghini um but like objectively you know i've been on the

internet making videos and people have known of my name and known me enough to where i have gotten

attacked plenty of times not to his level but you can't feed into it the way that he's feeding

into it that's just the wrong way to go about it you can't make dozens of videos unless it's

all a troll feeding into it you gotta like you you gotta like reign it in you know like people are

gonna attack you man like it happens you gotta you gotta roll with it you know like attacking

your fans in that level is crazy i'm sure it's not going to impact him that much but it's

definitely a bit of a crash out right can we all can we all agree on that i mean we need like a

like a wellness check on him i get that he's always trolled his haters but like

he's kind of just trolling his like general viewership right

he it's just a little different you know maybe maybe that's just me you know maybe this is

just the next step and it'll work out fine for him i don't know it'll be interesting to see it play

out see living in dubai now i don't know seems fun seems like a good time a russian some russian

woman in dubai hey live it up right

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