Is there any hope of the other teams becoming more competitive?
This is going to get old really quickly.
Is there hope? Yes.
There is always hope.
I'm a Ferrari fan.
Sounds like a true Ferrari fan, yeah.
Exactly.
I'm trying desperately to just remain in my logical brain
of things can change at such early stages of a new regulation set.
That was like, you were like, I've got hope,
but I've got no factual information to tell you why this is good a shit.
Every time I've ever seen a team dominate out the blocks,
they usually end up winning pretty comprehensively.
You look at when Max Verstappen was dominating, I mean, to be fair.
Trying 22 away.
Yeah, I mean, I was able to shut up.
Just shut up.
Do you not know that I'm very vulnerable?
Talking about this qualifying session in general,
then you bring up 2022.
Most of the time, the fastest car at the beginning of the season,
especially with this amount of gap,
will be quickest most places, if not everywhere.
So yes, the other teams, I think,
will be able to close the gargantuan gap that it currently is.
But I don't think it'll be any time soon.
The 1st of June is obviously going to be an interesting thing to keep an eye on.
So just to clarify, for anyone that doesn't know,
from the 1st of June, the compression ratio,
which is the cheeky little trick that Mercedes have been able to
quite cleverly exploit, will be measured at 130 degrees,
as well as ambient temperature, and from next year only at 130 degrees.
So essentially, they are changing the way they test
whether or not that Mercedes engine compression ratio is legal
from the 1st of June.
And that may well change their dominance
if they're found to have not been abiding by those tests.
So maybe let's see if it pegs them back.
But there's no guarantee.
But also, Tommy, you made a really good point,
I think, in the watch along about when Mercedes had a party mode,
which was then banned in 2020.
What was that?
2022.
2022.
No, sorry, 2020.
Oh, god.
It was the...
Tommy's done it again.
Every time he says 2020, he says 2022.
What's going to say, 2022?
2020.
It was the W11, wasn't it, when they were absolutely rapid?
They were rapid.
They had this party mode in qualifying
that everyone believed they were taking their engine to a new level.
That was then banned, and they still were.
It was banned for Monza,
and then they did the fastest time in the history of Formula One.
So I would sort of manage your expectations for the 1st of June,
but that's our only hope, I think, really,
to not see MS80s 1, 2 in every qualifying session.
Yeah, 1st of June might be the one to potentially help that.
I'll bring some factual positive things,
even though I'm normally the pessimistic one.
Wow, here you go.
Yeah, no, we're seeing some rare Tommy pessimism right now.
I'm excited.
You go back to...
Optimism, not pessimism, bro.
Sorry, yeah.
You go back to...
Pessimism ain't rare from you, mate.
Yeah, you go back to the fact that you were mentioning about the new regulations,
even the start of 2022, when we had that new reg,
you're looking at...
I'm looking at the qualifying times,
and yeah, there was a well over...
It was like a second gap to 6th.
It was...
I guess the argument there is it was close between Red Bull and Ferrari,
but even looking at what McLaren have done now,
I fully expected there to be an even bigger gap,
and McLaren have found a bit more pace.
I know it's like it's still 6th tenths to the other car,
but it was 8th tenths last week,
and this is a track that I thought they'd be even stronger at.
So you hope that it would chip away as the other team catch up,
and with a new regulation,
in theory, this should always be the worst as it's going to be in terms of performance gaps.
So that is something to be positive about.
However, I'm not going to lie.
Leave it on an optimistic note, Tommy.
Mercedes are very clear, aren't they?
And I think our fears of it being another 2014,
so far, you wonder how much they've even...
I hope they're not even raining it back like the rumors were in 2014,
where they're not even pushing,
because they don't want to seem too far ahead and F1 make drastic changes.
Let's go to a question from Fru to Lugu.
Well, McLaren have definitely found something.
They were much more competitive.
I did not expect, based on what we were seeing throughout the session, really,
for it looked again like it was going to be Mercedes and Ferrari,
for most of the qualifying.
I know in FP3 they were strong,
but they did kind of come out of nowhere in the end.
And Kovir is, Matt, but I do think that if we're looking at any team,
that if we're talking about how Mercedes have this unbelievable advantage,
they're so clear because their engine is amazing
and they've got this compression ratio and they're so quick on the straights.
The one team that are competitive and does have that Mercedes engine
is McLaren and they're already third and fifth on the grid
and closed a bit of the deficit.
So I would back McLaren by the end of the season
to be the ones challenging Mercedes more than any other team.
It's a fair call.
McLaren, they have made a huge step from Australia, at least in qualifying,
and you would expect that to continue for them.
And I hope for the sake of the season,
if we have to just rely on another team to get involved in Ferrari and able to do it,
let's get McLaren in there.
Because right now, two races in, not a long time,
but two races in, Antonelli has not stepped up to the level of which
we can go, he can challenge for the world title.
That's not what we're seeing right now.
So let's see what McLaren can do.
I'm excited to watch their progress
and hopefully Ferrari go with them as well.
That's my ultimate goal and dream.
But yeah, much more competitive in this sprint quali session
for McLaren.
And they've literally been watching the onboard from Mercedes
and just figuring out what the hell they're doing with their car and their power unit.
So lots of learning still to be done, I'm sure.
Question from Oteng FCB.
Is the Red Bull now a midfield car?
All right, I'll try not to take too much enjoyment out of this as Tommy...
No, it's your turn, yeah.
...sits there.
Come on, hit me.
I would argue it's always been a midfield car
and Max Verstappen made it.
It's just so clear.
I'm kidding, I'm kidding.
Red Bull are miles off around here.
I caught an interview with Verstappen just as we were starting the podcast
and he was saying there was no grip, no confidence in the car.
So it's not just a case of them losing time on the straights.
They've just not got a car, at least around here, that is competitive.
I would say in Australia they were looking all right
until Verstappen obviously speared it into the wall because of the problem.
I think Red Bull have gone backwards quite dramatically going into China.
You know, to qualify eighth and tenth be outqualified by an Alpine
by three and a half tenths to Verstappen.
Hajar, I'm not sure exactly what happened to him on his final lap,
but he was looking comparable to Max up until SQ3.
But they've got a long way to go and perhaps Red Bull will have a car that
may well chop and change their form book as we go around the different tracks
because Australia, as I say, was kind of a positive in some way
in the fact that Max could have well qualified P3
and may well have finished somewhere near the podium.
But instead, he had a big old comeback to do and then we come here and
they've clearly got something very wrong with the car.
One practice session, this can happen.
We're not going to go straight to the Panic Stations, Tommy.
No, you're not.
No, don't press the big red button because I think teams at this stage
of the regulations can get a setup and power unit deployment
and every other stupid term wrong.
They can program their cars to try themselves correctly.
They can get it wrong because they don't really know what they're doing
at this stage of the season and it's a sprint weekend.
So they've only had one hour to dial it in and learn for qualifying and the race.
So it looks on paper like a disaster.
I don't think it's as bad as that when we eventually look at the full picture
of the season at the end of the year.
It feels a very long time ago that in testing, they're like,
oh, wow, Red Bull might be fastest.
You know, they've got the best.
Have you seen the Red Bull?
Have you seen their deployment?
George Russell?
George Russell?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think Red Bull, yeah, they're looking good.
Yeah.
Looking really good.
Flash forward one month and with three tenths, nearly four tenths slower than an Alpine.
We thought there was going to be an absolute chasm as well.
I think this is between the midfield and we thought that Red Bull,
even if they were the fourth fastest, would just have this amazing gap to go into.
But you know, Gasly's there.
Bearman are almost, you know, close to Verstappen as well.
And it's not looking good for Red Bull at all.
Max is unhappy with how the cars drive.
They don't look remotely competitive.
And yeah, it's, I do agree that there'll be better at some circuits.
We saw that in Australia.
Like what could Max have done?
Had he done a normal qualifying?
No disrespect to Hadjah.
But we saw, you know, Hadjah qualify third.
What could Max have done in that race from third position?
It might have been a different story.
But here they have not, not got it right.
And they are so far off.
Speaking of Hadjah, he started off looking in that session and this,
this maybe again comes down to the frustrations that we're going to get into the next question of
not really knowing what is a driver and what is a battery and what is deployment.
Because Hadjah looked fairly strong and actually looking like you might even be able to out qualify
Max.
And yet he's finished half a second off, which is miles.
And for his saving his blushes really, because half a second of Verstappen,
that was kind of first to 14th last year that we saw with the other second Red Bull seat.
But he's, but Hadjah did a really solid job for most of that qualifying session,
but then finds himself half a second off, which is almost kind of what we would
usually see from that second Red Bull seat.
Indeed.
A question from Enblaze 53.
Where does the driver skills start and the battery end with these cars?
Piastri, Purple Sector 1 and then 0.8 of a second off pole by the end of the lap.
I'm just confused about where they're gaining and losing time
and what is driver versus automated battery software?
This is what I fully agree with and where my frustrations of this regulations.
I want to start it by saying that we need to be careful in terms of,
and I want to just let everyone know that George Russell is a phenomenal driver.
And just because we're going to now go into the fact that,
oh, how much of it is driver skill versus this?
I don't want to take anything away from what like Russell is doing.
And he's shown many, many seasons, last year he was incredibly strong,
doing amazing things in Williams, that he's a top driver anyway.
And I think even if we had normal inverted commas cars,
Russell would be up there anyway, because he's a top driver.
But my problem with this regulation is this whole Piastri goes Purple
and then his fifth seven tenths off.
And is it just because how they choose to use their battery
on the certain part of the track means they're quicker?
And then that whole situation, and this is the problem that a lot of people have found
in that battle between Leclerc and Russell.
And despite everyone going, oh my God, we've done 150 overtakes
and some people saying they like it.
What's driver skill anymore and what is just power deployment?
And that's not what Formula One should be.
It should be about drivers being able to make up time
in fast corners and using their bravery and skill
to be able to navigate these cars and be on the edge,
particularly in qualifying.
And unfortunately with these new regulations,
I just don't know what's what anymore.
And that that's probably why qualifying to me feels so
not to do a battery pun, but flat.
We don't watch Formula One for who's fast on a straight.
We literally watch Formula One because we like comparing
between drivers, between teams about who made up time through a corner,
who absolutely sent it into that corner and gained a tenth.
That is not the conversation anymore.
Hamilton after this sprint qualifying was saying,
yeah, the car felt good, but we're just down on power.
I'm like, well, great.
You know, that's great, isn't it?
Because we watch Formula One for the best drivers
and now I echo what you said about Russell.
He's a great driver.
We've said that he's incredibly consistent
and we knew the minute he got a front running car
or a car that is dominant, like a dominant car,
he would win a world championship.
And I think that's what we're seeing the early stages of.
But yes, and I'm going to get to it right now.
Charlotte Clair lost four tenths on the straight for no reason.
His battery or whatever issue didn't deploy.
Shut your mafia.
You just didn't press the right button on the steering wheel.
Yeah, exactly.
He wasn't pressing the pedal.
And I get the car problems can happen, car issues can happen.
And I'm not just saying about this, the Clair situation.
I said at the start of the podcast is that there's so much unknown
that it's hard for us as fans to know what's going on.
And I agree with the qualifying point as well.
Qualifying for me now, one, because of the gaps.
Two, because we're not seeing them go particularly fast.
And I don't know what three was.
I don't know why I was like, those two were the big points.
The fact that we are witnessing them super clipping qualifying
is devastating for a Saturday, I would say.
Because the one thing we've always sold qualifying as
is we are seeing these cars at the absolute limit, the ragged edge.
We're watching drivers risk it all to put in an amazing qualifying lap.
Instead, what we saw in Australia is turn nine,
then rolling it into that to that apex and boosting out the corner.
Whoop-de-doo, whoop-de-doo-da-day, I say to that,
because no one cares about a battery deployment down and straight.
We care about the corners.
And then we go to this one.
And yes, it's not as bad, but it's clearly bad enough
that Formula One have been freezing the graphic that we see on the halo.
And also, I've seen on social media, I don't personally go in
and do all the telemetry stuff.
I see people post stuff and it's quite interesting.
People can't access telemetry anymore, apparently.
They're trying to find it and it's not freely accessible,
at least from what I've seen people posting about.
And again, that's clearly to save the blushes of how slow
they are actually going into the hairpin.
And it's not public mileage anymore.
Yeah, and the data I'm seeing, it like flat lines, basically.
Yeah, it's mad.
Which is not true.
So yeah, I think, yes, Leclerc lost loads of time in the straight
and that pains me because he probably would have started fourth.
But the biggest thing for me that I'm...
Because qualifying was the day that we all loved and looked forward to,
it has now become a day of, oh, wow, there's massive gaps
and we're not seeing the drivers at the same ragged edge as we used to.
And that's quite a sad thing to see at this point.
And I don't know how that's going to change
because it is an engine battery formula.
So how are we ever going to see them top speed
at the end of a straight into a hairpin and really test it under the brakes?
We're not.
We're not.
And yeah, I was obviously bantering about Leclerc and you're saying with Max.
I genuinely believe and some people would disagree.
But if Leclerc was on pole position, yes, you'd be happy and same with Max.
But the enjoyment of qualifying has been lost that even if it was...
I think even if the gaps closed up,
we don't want to see this super clipping and battery usage in certain positions.
We want to know that the driver skill and the best drivers
are making that time in the corner and being on the ragged edge in qualifying
to make it.
And yeah, at the moment, we can only hope that they do make changes
because I don't think I'm alone in saying that I think a lot of the magic
of qualifying has been lost so far.
It has.
I will say back to a positive note in the fact that once the teams figure out at the very...
I'm not talking about the corners and the corners and the problem about the ragged
edge stuff.
I don't think we're going to have a solution to.
But once the teams have a better idea of all this battery rubbish, at least,
I don't know how long it will take, but we'll have a consistency between teammates
and across teams where we're not going to have drivers coming out and going,
well, I had this problem.
I had this deployment problem.
I had this problem.
I had this problem.
If we can eradicate that, then at least we can then start to do our comparisons
and the fun things that we have as Formula One fans.
But right now, it's teething problems for everybody.
But that's the way it is.
And this is the most frustrating thing is I wish they wouldn't feel the need to
manipulate things, hide things, what the drives are saying.
I'll go back to Max saying all this stuff was going to happen in 2023 and downshifting
on straights.
And my initial reaction to that was, oh, wow, that sounds really bad.
But in three years' time, that's not going to happen.
They'll sort it.
It's quite clear they've not listened to those frustrations.
And they're also continuing not to listen because they're happy to basically ignore them
and cut what they're saying out and not play their team radios.
And the telemetry is mysteriously disappearing when the cars are slowing down for super clipping.
Yeah, and we're not getting the picture for that either, which is so irritating.
That's another point.
No, Tommy, we're going back to negativity.
The blocking of team radios then blocks the picture for us as well.
So people will, casuals will be coming out of that going, oh, look, I lost a lot of time
in that last sector.
I must have made a mistake.
No, he didn't.
He had no battery.
He even came over the radio and said, where the hell was my battery deployment?
He lost four tenths on the straight.
That's a team radio that people need to hear.
But instead, F1 are prioritising their image, which I think is in the same way,
not the way to go because we're seeing through it as hard cause.
But we're not getting the full picture of what's going on in qualifying,
unless you dig deep into the quality interviews and so on and so forth.
Yeah, it ruins the team radio side of it if they can't play any negative thing because
in years gone by, they weren't afraid to go, a driver go, oh, I had a bit of an engine blip
there or, oh, this happened or my tires were destroyed in the final sector.
But they're so protective over these new regulations that they're willing to basically
make the viewer less understanding about what's going on to save their own public image.
It's embarrassing completely.
Also, I don't think we saw many on boards in that middle sector, but we did once with Hadjar
and that was so eye-opening to how slow they're actually going in that middle sector
that I think Formula One are being very clever in what they try and show,
whether they show off boards of cars in the middle sector, then they go on board,
round that long right hander onto the back straight because that's when they're deploying,
they look really fast, but you've got Antonelli and the other drivers right at the front
lifting into turn 10 before they then go into that final sequence and the long back straight
because they are recharging.
Yeah, like seeing in the turn one, great because they're deploying again, they're pushing hard,
but I think they are being very clever in which places they don't show us on boards,
but they did show us Hadjar and if you watch that, I genuinely thought he was on a call
lap and he was pushing.
Yeah, I know. It's funny, isn't it? How we have all these problems about TV direction and this is
what the fans want to see and yeah, rarely anything gets done, but as soon as TV direction
needs to do a job of hiding all the problems with the cars, they're suddenly the goats of it
and become like a minority report, like I can cut every single thing and make sure you do this and
hide all this information. It's ridiculous, isn't it? I can't believe we're in a situation
where they're not just owning the rules and what's happening and they're trying to pull
the wool over people's eyes and they're not stupid. I think that's the most upsetting thing
about everything that's going on in Formula One right now is the disrespect to the fans
that were that stupid that we just go, oh yeah, this is fine because they're insulting our
intelligence. They're insulting the intelligence of every fan. You don't even need to be like a
veteran Formula One fan to know what's going on here and yeah, they're insulting our intelligence.
Mate, the live speedo, that 325 kilometers an hour example, I've seen because I haven't
watched it back but obviously we noticed that. There's a screenshot of... Yes, exactly what you're
going to say. On the brakes and it was still 325 kilometers an hour. He's at the 50 marker
board and it says he's doing 325 kilometers an hour. He's on his way to... It was one of the
Mercs, I think it's Antonelli or Russell. Antonelli probably, yeah. Crazy, absolutely crazy situation
we found ourselves in and... Well, don't worry. I don't want to be talking about this. This is
the problem. I want to be talking about great racing and great Formula One but this is what's
controlling the narrative at the moment and I feel like as a Formula One fan and a Formula
One fan for a very long time, I need to be calling this out because it's just shameful what they're
doing. Well, yeah, we're real about it, Tommy. We're Formula One fans and we call out the BS
when we see it. That's just who we are. So hopefully you guys appreciate that.
Look forward to never working with F1 ever again and we will see you tomorrow for a very early
live watch along for the sprint race which I think will be very worth getting up for because
let's see what Hamilton can do from potentially P3 on the road. I've been refreshing Antonelli
and I can't see anything about an update of whether he's getting a penalty or not yet.
How is it taking this long to decide whether he blocked him or not? It's ridiculous. We've done
an entire podcast in the 45 minutes of chatting plus we didn't start immediately. How have they
not made a decision yet but let's not get into that one. We've already spoken about that.
We'll be doing watch alongs of course for every competitive session on YouTube,
Twitch and Dream11. Come and join us there. Tommy, final thoughts please.
Final thoughts despite all the complaining will be there no matter what tomorrow for the sprint
watch along and the excitement of the start and seeing what Charles Leclerc and Lewis Hamilton
can do from that start with a very short run down to 7-1 but hopefully something exciting because
I think there are hope for a good sprint that people can get in the mix with Mercedes.
Can we just say thank you to Ferrari for saving this whole season with their start?
So far, yeah. They have literally saved this whole season.
One start. They've saved the season.
But they're going to have two more starts this weekend and we're going to love both of them.
I can't wait to see what they do with the lights. Do they leave it for like 20 seconds
and then everyone runs up and they press it? Yeah, they put Mercedes fan there instead.
Colopinto just flies through with all his charge and wins through.
Okay, we will see you tomorrow. Sorry for the rant but you know it's the way we've got to be.
Lots of love. Take care. Bye.
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About this episode
Matt and Tommy dive into the controversial sprint qualifying at the Chinese GP, dissecting the struggles of teams like Williams, Aston Martin, and Red Bull under new regulations. They critique the misleading speed graphics and lack of transparency from F1, expressing frustration over how battery deployment and super clipping affect driver performance and viewer experience. The hosts debate driver versus software influence, the impact of penalties, and the dominance of Mercedes, while holding out hope for McLaren and Ferrari to close the gap. The episode blends technical analysis with candid fan reactions and concerns about the sport's direction.
The first sprint quali of the year left us with more questions than answers… Like, why are F1 trying to deceive viewers by hiding data? How can we tell what’s driver skill and what’s battery deployment? And has the magic of qualifying been lost?
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