Reaction to Dutch GP practice (featuring a special guest!)

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Hello everybody and welcome back to the P1 podcast with Matt and Tommy as you can probably tell.

No Matt today as he is sorting out his internet which hopefully will be set up for the weekend.

We promise it's not because Ferrari have had a bit of a shocker.

But I am instead joined by our old buddy, Katie Fairman,

young journalist of the year, Modesport UK. Had to mention it because you're far too modest to

not say it. How are you Katie? Oh I'm really well, thank you. It's always lovely to chat with

you Tommy and talk about the Dutch Grand Prix practice. Yes and what a practice session

you've joined us for. Normally these practice sessions you wonder like how we're

going to do a 20 minute podcast or video on it and instead we just had absolute chaos,

loads of incidents, probably more incidents than we've had in any practice session

through the whole year combined it felt like. Very much so, yeah I don't know if that's a good

luck or bad luck on my half. I'm sure the drivers won't want me doing any more appearances on

the podcast after today. But yeah an uncharacteristically crazy practice session

like you say. Definitely. So we'll dive straight into the first question actually which is from

Nixie underscore one. Why did so many drivers go off? Was it due to the rustiness after the

summer break or tricky conditions? Now I think it is a bit of both to be fair because

they are, I think it's a bit of a baptism of fire when they come back from the summer break

and of all the tracks for them to go on is Zandvoort which is a track that punishes

mistakes. We've seen it before. Now this is a, it's not an uncommon thing to see people going off

in a practice session at Zandvoort just thinking back to like the previous couple of years you had

of course the famous, sorry infamous I should probably say Daniel Riccardo going off

breaking his hand of course at that turn. Oscar Piestri spun off before that you had

Logan Sargent had a massive crash last year, Holkenberg spun off in the last couple of years as

well. So we do see these incidents at Zandvoort and I think it is just a case of the fact that

they're all pushing maybe a little bit of rustiness but it's just a very very

difficult track, a very kind of when we when we spoke to Alex Alban in our video he said

is like a go-kart track and it punishes mistakes if you get slightly wide.

It so does. I know that Zandvoort doesn't provide the most exciting race day. There's not really

many overtaking opportunities apart from basically turn one but yeah for me I love these old school

historic tracks where it is really punishing and exhilarating for a driver to do a lap of it.

It's about one of the only circuits that I've actually done a lap of on the F1 game

and I had the best time of my life driving it was so much fun but like you say it is really

challenging and yes there could be a little bit of rustiness because of the summer break although

you know I was listening to the Sky Sports coverage and they were saying that Lando was

doing all sorts of go-karting over the summer break and I'm sure that these drivers if they

have an opportunity will always be jumping in a car and pushing it a little bit to the limits

to try and you know replicate that feeling but also I think something that's worth noting

might not have had an impact in today's but the circuit is right on the beach and

wind conditions can change quite dramatically so perhaps that was a part of it. We had I think

if my memory serves me correctly Verstappen and Carlos Sainz going off at turn one a few years

ago because of that wind so yeah that could be a factor but yeah it's certainly been

very weird. It felt like every five minutes there was a yellow flag being

way for somebody having a little off. Yeah definitely I mean we kind of almost it's almost

comical in an elite sport to be like oh it's a bit windy but look at the last qualifying session at

the hangaro ring and how those wind conditions changed and it went from being you know a complete

McLaren lockout to something completely crazy so we'll start with with FP1 no surprise really

that McLaren a 1-2 Norris leading from Piastri, Lance Stroll was a surprise P3 but unfortunately

one person that did get caught out by those tricky conditions and a tricky circuit was Kimi Antonelli

he's had a horrible run it has to be said going into this summer break and me and Matt have

mentioned many times on the podcast in this this kind of break that of all the drivers

that needed that summer break it was Kimi Antonelli to kind of rejuvenate himself he had a great start

to the the year that's kind of easily forgotten because of how badly it kind of has been the

last few races but such a small error but such a costly one because any other circuit you are

just running wide onto some runoff or or anything else and you're straight back on because you

know you didn't damage the car or anything you're just getting beached in the gravel so

really unfortunate for Antonelli and it happened so early in the session

it did I mean when he got those early laps on you could see the bottom of his Mercedes was

sparking like crazy so they obviously had the floor super super low and yeah just a

silly little mistake and it's one of those things that maybe in previous seasons if

Antonelli was the only rookie on the grid you could kind of put it down to oh well you

know he maybe hasn't driven this track as many times but we've got obviously such a wealth of

rookies on the grid and you even had people like Bortoletto up there in the in the kick

salber at one point and Bearman as well doing some good laps so yeah we can't really put it

down to just oh he's a rookie because you know there are people in a similar position

on that grid that weren't making those mistakes so yeah I hope for Antonelli's sake that he

can kind of come back stronger obviously he managed to get going again with FP2 there was a

little worry that it was going to be rained off entirely and so there was worry that he wasn't

going to get a chance to try his practice starts because here where the pit lane exit

comes straight out into the track you can't really do any kind of pit lane or practice starts

even so you know it isn't just a case of getting that track experience but there are other

things that he wouldn't have been able to do if FP2 didn't happen but yeah just a really unfortunate

mistake from him but hopefully you know we've got Monza coming up next a home race for him it's a

circuit that he has got so much experience in junior series so I'm hoping fingers crossed that maybe

if it's not Zanvort this weekend then it's Monza next weekend where he can turn his season

around yeah he's had so much experience at Monza in Formula 2 but not in Formula 1 because obviously

that was the track where he went off immediately in that practice session last year but it's

harsh on Kim Antonelli because you look at that session and equally we'll get on to FP2 as well

where loads of drivers are making errors even very experienced ones look at George Russell he

went off as well but luckily for him he carried on and another driver that went off was a certain

Max Verstappen and unlike Kim Antonelli he was in a weird way he was fortunate that his off was

at the end of the session so he basically didn't lose any running but it's still a pretty

embarrassing error really to to make and very uncharacteristic you don't normally see Max

Verstappen these days going off in a completely dry session and the fact that it was straight after

a practice start as well was pretty crazy it was can I can I be honest with you in the P1 listeners

that as soon as FP1 finished I'm busy working I've got other projects I'm working on today I

turned off my TV and then sure enough went online and was like what how did I miss this during

the session and then realized it was from the practice starts but yeah really unusual

mistake from Max perhaps he can style it out and say oh I just wanted to give the fans some more time

of seeing my car up close in the gravel chap I don't know but um yeah it was a very strange

mistake from Max I mean I really hope that people won't suddenly start to say oh you know

it's a beginning to bottle it he's making all these mistakes because I think it was just

a little slip up and like you say we saw so many people this weekend make these errors but it

wouldn't it wouldn't surprise me if there are some people out there who were going to try and

use that one small mistake to kind of make a bigger story out of it but yeah it was a really

really odd odd thing from Max yeah and he's finding the limits it was obviously the fact that it's

come straight after a practice start is probably him seeing how much he can push turn one whether

that's something that was quite funny actually was me and Matt watched managed to watch the

the session together as we were flying back from the Netherlands of our p1 live shows and

and we we got back we were watching it together and it was yeah when we when we watched it

it was funny because Matt was like that that's Max practicing for a dive bomb at turn one and and

it while kind of like tongue-in-cheek it is kind of true because he's finding the limits

and we know Zanvo incredibly hard to overtake unless it's 2023 and it rains and then you get

the most overtakes of all time apparently which please let's have another one of those yeah

finding the limits and instead went straight off let's go to fp2 then and the top three were

Norris Fernando Alonso and Oscar Piastri we'll start with the big moment from that session and

it's a very big crash for for Lance Stroll after Martin looking very good indeed and and

Stroll had a brilliant fp1 where he was third but a big crash at that turn where of course

we mentioned earlier Daniel Ricardo crashed that that banked curve and a question from

p1 patreon r&b sheep is stroll fully okay he was showing some discomfort in his right wrist now

we've I've not personally seen anything yet he's not I don't think he's been asked about it you

think that he did get interviewed after the session and you do think that had there been

anything really bad he would have probably gone to a medical center or mentioned it during that

that kind of incident but it is something that I think probably a lot of people even I think it

max came on the radio and asked about about it because it's that first thing you think of with

Lance Stroll because he's had that that issue with his wrist even earlier in the season

and missing missing that race exactly is it fair to say he's got maybe some of the most

vulnerable risks in the business I don't really it's it's a yeah unfortunate one for him and it's

always makes me wince whenever I see a driver fail to take their hands off the steering wheel

because we've seen it you know in various championships like you say even with Ricardo or

in other series as well that sometimes that can relate to how like you know bones being broken

in your hands so I'm really pleased to hear that he's all right like you say tommy I think

if it was significant he would have been sent to the medical center I'm sure that Aston Martin would

be quick to release a statement and say that you know this is a situation so he seemed to be all

kind of semi-smiles should we say in the garage obviously not beaming from ear to ear

after causing that shunt but yeah really disappointing because like you say Aston Martin

have been looking so quick and Lance especially obviously third in FP1 so to then lose out

on such important running especially for like you know quality prep and everything like that it was

it was a big knock but yeah it was a really big crash it was yeah very big crash the fact

there's no runoff at that corner I think is what what makes it so you know the the actual damage

of that car was massively significant it's very rare that you see the the whole side of the car

completely like you know torn to shreds really yeah and yeah the the way he kind of

kept his hands on the wheel like you don't have time to really like remove them in the

internet it happens in such a split second and the fact that there's no runoff there like on

a lot of other circuits you're going straight into a straight into the wall and it was a yeah

really nasty nasty shunt but glad to see Lance Stroll is okay after that and I think

particularly for him as well because of Aston Martin looking so good another driver that caused

a red flag was Alex Albin he went off into the gravel and couldn't get going again

you know we'll say that the the P1 curse our last driver to interview was Alex Albin

so apologies apologies Alex but hopefully he's got that that bad luck out the way

early but yeah another red flag just so many incidents in this session it's crazy

yeah gravel proving to be you know a very difficult thing to get yourself out of once you're in it

obviously he kept the car on reversed a little bit sort of given the best angle to

to make that maneuver to get himself onto that nice smooth tarmac that was so close but yet so far

and yeah managed to to beach the car and yeah like you say caused another red flag luckily I guess

wasn't far for him to go in terms of walk back to the garage but still you know you can that's never

a way that a driver wants to end a session and you could tell that normally when drivers keep

their full racing helmet on it probably means that they're not in a very good place and not

to speak to them so he was escorted back to the garage by one of the marshals as well which

I mean I don't think he was going to be going and running off anywhere I don't really know why he

needed escorting or if that's standard practice maybe it is but yeah a bit of an embarrassing way to

end that session but yeah he wasn't like we said so many times in this podcast wasn't the only guy

to to find himself in that gravel he certainly wasn't P1Patreon Dan has asked with so many

cars getting beached and spinning out today could we see less than 12 finishes during the Grand Prix

I think if it's a dry race I do I do think a lot of this is that the fact that they're pushing in

practice sessions and they are allowed to make mistakes you don't see it as much in the Grand Prix

if it's raining and chaotic yeah we could we could see absolute chaos again because it is a punishing

circuit but we have maybe seen this trend of Zandvoort being really punishing in practice

where they find the limits and then when they get to the race they're all a bit more

bit more sensible I mean question on the fly do you like these kind of

circuits that punish the drivers or would you much rather see them be able to

be almost like pushed back in or be able to carry on I'm a sucker for yeah circuits that

do punish mistakes I know that it's a bit of an unpopular opinion but I do really

like street circuits for that reason don't get me wrong I don't think they should be

popping up a new one on the calendar every single year and as a result we could be losing really

iconic special tracks but I do I love you know a circuit like Imola I might be one of the only

people in the world that's going to be sad that that's off the calendar but for me you know I

used to really enjoy watching some of the racing around there because like you say if you do get

a wheel out of shape a wheel on the grass that's it you're in a barrier you're out you know

so yeah I do I do really like those kind of circuits although I guess if you've got a favorite driver

who's maybe been caught out a few too many times by a certain circuit you might not be a fan but

yeah for me I would much rather have it the mistakes of punishers why you know I'm always

so keen for things like more gravel traps Austria is another great one like you know

that like turn three four part of the track where they've got that gravel trap and if you get too far

over it you have to suffer the consequence and you might end up losing a certain amount of positions

like things like that I think are really good for the entertainment side of things and also

just reminding drivers that you know you're not stay on the track as well yeah it's amazing

how we don't have these really boring conversations about track limits and oh did you go one millimeter

over the line here when there's gravel because they can't do it and when they do go off they're in the

wall or in the gravel trap and they're losing time anyway I mean another driver that had a couple

of moments was Lewis Hamilton loving some pirouettes very well executed has to be said both

of them obviously not what he would want but flat spots on all of his tires absolutely but yeah he had

spins in fp1 and fp2 Ferrari yeah you know I joked at the start of the show about Matt's not here

because of Ferrari they did finish fp2 in six and eight so it wasn't as bad but it's not looking

great and I think shall Leclerc even radio during fp1 saying we are miles off yeah it's not looking too

good I feel like apart from Hamilton's you know ballet pirouettes that he was doing in the

middle of the track they had a fairly anonymous both like both practice sessions I'm pretty sure

it was Leclerc that came on the radio maybe having a go at Sonoda I don't want to point

blame if this isn't the case but you know getting annoyed at Yuki and him not realizing that

he was behind him but apart from that I don't really remember seeing them too much and yeah it's

especially with Aston Martin making this obviously quite significant jump

it's a slightly worrying time to to be Ferrari fans sorry Matt

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the other bizarre incident that i uh that i thought about was the the piastry and

russell incident in the pit which was very strange just continuing the chaos even as they

came into the pit lane of course some for being that crazy pit lane that's even smaller than

monica which is quite a mad thing to to think about for a purpose built track but piastry

coming into the pits and almost just seeming like george russell didn't even know that george

russell was there and with how there's not like that second lane that they can pull into he basically

was was getting himself into position to be wheeled back into the garage and almost just

smashed into the side of george russell now as we have been recording there has been

the news thankfully for osco piastry fans he has not been disqualified from the championship

it is a 5000 euro fine for mclaren which i'm not surprised that these these kind of incidents

i do think that's the right decision um to to just find uh find the teams for for something in

in a practice session that's not created too much harm it's it's just an unfortunate incident

but i don't think there needs to be you know a huge massive clamp down and and fine or or like

a penalty for that yeah i did think you were going to say a five place grid drop well 5000

place grid drop that's what i should have done yeah yeah yeah yeah um but no that was very a very

bizarre incident like obviously popped up on the tv and i'd like to think that i'm quite good i

watched too many videos on tiktok and instagram of like dash cam where you try and guess what the

issue is going to be um and sorry just getting a full insight into my brain here um and sometimes

i like to think that i'm quite good at predicting what's what's going to happen next and with that i

was like oh maybe he's gone in too hot he's going too quickly no i did not expect that at all with

osco obviously being like just trying to be reversed into the box but um yeah i'm totally

with you there tell me i don't think it would have been fair to penalize piastry because

that's also like a joint um i guess blame game between maybe piastry not looking in his

mirrors but also mclaren giving him those instructions um so yeah just a bit of a weird

incidence but i mean 5000 pounds is about a drop in the ocean to mclaren so um yeah

very very true no well especially not with their new title sponsor of course mastercard as well

that's true yeah so yeah they're they're probably not sure to their a penny or two it's

funny you mentioned dash cams i'm going to mention a really rogue random story that's

love it this is what it's all about um but uh some p1 fans sent me a video this was like a

couple years ago when we just started of um a channel that's just dedicated to dash cam footage

from like crashes in america and someone shared a clip and in it they're listening to the p1

podcast um so you literally like have this moment where you kind of got the dash cam and

you can just hear me being like uh nika holkenberg is uh having a quite a good run of form isn't he

and then crashes into uh into a car at a junction so okay random off topic thing that no i love it

i had to i don't love that crash though i hope they're all right but they were fine thankfully

that's when you know you've made it absolutely uh we'll go on to finando alonso now of course

has to be mentioned p1 patreon blaxon alonso podium question mark i would love to see it

i would very much love to see it astin martin of course i said they were going to be the big

flop of the weekend so they've turned up with an absolute rocket ship and uh hopefully this form

does continue because i want to see alonso back at the front again do do i dare say are we going

to be seeing a 2023 season in reverse where uh where alonso got all those podiums at the start

of the year is it going to be where alonso is now going to start you know challenging at the front

um you know mclaren are clear but there's of course going to be a spot on the podium other teams may be

kind of not developing as much or that they're kind of like locked into what they're doing with

upgrades and things maybe astin martin can get a podium i'd love to see alonso on there but

you know if stroll stroll recovers and they get his car fixed and hoping for his sake that he

doesn't have gearbox penalties and things based on on the changes that they're going to have to make

i think an astin martin podium could could be could be on yeah i think i think even if you

like you say throughout the rest of the season there's the chance that that could happen especially

like you say if other teams are kind of really putting a lot of focus into those new 2026

regulations and adrian new year appears to just be doing it in his sleep uh it could well be that

maybe they can catch some of the others off off guard but i mean they also were just looking

really competitive so who knows i mean if it does rain which i think it's scheduled to rain for the

rest of the weekend i mean a few years ago forgive me i can't remember the year but you remember

when fernando lanso had the absolutely rocket start um and managed to find the grip where

basically nobody else thought to like basically went up on the banking it was yeah that was awesome

it was so good um so who knows maybe he can uh do a deja vu like do the same again um and yeah get

his hands on that that trophy which i really like this anvil trophy i think it's a bit unique the

big cup and also like seeing them in person they are massive yeah it's very cool yeah shout out to

the trophy because it is it is cool to see like shout out to the trophy shout out to the trophy uh

doing a kind of trophy based on the kind of culture because that's you know like dutch

pottery i don't know the exact term for it but like that's like relevant to the place that it is so

that that is cool and i'd love to see lanso get on the podium again um i do wonder how much

ustin martin based on their their form i know it's only practice but based on the fact that

we've had two dry sessions and they've been very quick maybe weirdly praying that it's um

that it's actually going to be uh dry for the rest of the weekend but not looking like it so far

we'll move uh on to our final person that we have to talk about and that is landon orris brilliant

job uh topped both sessions really good here last year of course uh won the race in dominant

fashion very much in the championship hunt surely he is going to be the guy to be uh this weekend

based off what we saw today i think so it's certainly looking like it's going to go that way

um i'm pretty sure i mean who knows what could happen but that we'll see at least one of the

mclaren's on the top step of that podium ready to give my p1 jinx to the podcast but um yeah

low lando does seem to be really quite comfortable here um although never write off oscar piastry no

you can't write off piastry you just can't no i know it's a very boring answer and i feel like it's

probably the same answer that you and i've had on every single podcast so far this year but yeah um

oscar piastry really has been pretty sensational this year as has lando um but yeah if i were to

go based off of the the results today then i think that this could be another one for lando

which makes the championship all the more exciting so i'm all for it it would be of course yeah

flando takes the victory and piastry's second we're looking at what must be only like a couple

of points separating them so don't ask me to do maths live please yeah very true uh as we're

before we head off i will just put you completely on the spot now um sorry for that uh

how have you found this this championship uh basal and who do you think is going to

be the if you had to guess at this moment in time between piastry and norris uh piastry

i would say um i think that he has just kept such a cool level head apart from obviously

when he got that penalty in and they all start to blend into one was it hungry silver stone

thank you um yeah apart from then when he obviously got quite frustrated and understandably so because

it cost him the victory i think he's you know got a very different um way like mindset to lando and

that's not a criticism of lando's but you know we've seen him he's very vulnerable he's very

honest with the media if he thinks he's had a bad race he's very vocal about it and i really

you know have a lot of admiration for lando about that but you know other drivers that

are maybe slightly more experienced have said that that might come back to bite him

it's one of the reasons why we don't see many drivers like that um whereas oscar you know yes

he can still admit when he's had a bad day in the office as such but he kind of reminds me of

like a amika hackening or a kimmy reikening in the sense that he's just very cool calm and collected

and i feel like maybe that in addition to his evidence talent that we've seen i mean he's

rapid over one lap he's very consistent that maybe he might just edge lando in in the fight which

yeah would be would be very interesting um but let's let's see it's going to be a fascinating

battle and i'm sure that we're going to see them come together at least once more for the rest

of the season yes i do think we are as well and let's say there's so many times we have to be

grateful that it is mclaren fighting at the front because they've got two drivers that

can win the race and of course we're going to go into this weekend as well it's it's very clear

even though you look at the gap and alonzo kind of splitting them i think you'd be very surprised

if it wasn't the mclaren's just absolute miles clear of everyone this weekend but it doesn't make

it boring because it's the two drivers going for the championship and if they're if you know

we're just focused on those two fighting then that's what we want to see as formula one fans

so we will wrap it up there katie thank you so much for

subbing in for matt while he sorts his internet out so fingers crossed he gets all that sorted

what are your final thoughts oh no oh no oh this is like old times oh i really haven't thought about

that um i guess final thoughts is well done to you and matt for doing your show recently in

amsterdam or two shows in amsterdam very proud of you both as always um and thank you for thinking of me

as a substitution i know lots of people on the internet seem to think that we never speak to each

other after you know departing our previous company but we're still the bestest of friends so yeah

absolutely are yeah thank you so much thank you there we are awesome okay thank you everyone

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