Recalls, Robots, and Ridiculous Concepts: This Week in Cars
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Welcome to another In-Wheel Time Podcast, a 30-minute mini version of the In-Wheel Time
Car Show.
It is.
The award-winning In-Wheel Time Car Talk Show just ahead, our story of the week, Ford's
Gajillion Dollar Gamble.
All right.
We'll also have the recalls this week, and our guests, this old car price game.
Plus, Jeff will have the crews in on events, calendars, and I'll bring you the stories
making automotive news headlines this week.
Along with Mike out of this World Bars, we always need more Jeff Seekin.
I'm Don Armstrong, so glad you could join us.
David Ainslie, our chief engineer, he's not sleeping in.
He's like an old, well, he is an old man, and he doesn't sleep in any longer than
we do, which is hardly at all.
So anyway, thanks for joining us today.
And we start off with our story of the week, and I picked this because I guess
I wanted to point out the fact that marketing and PR at a big, big global corporation, they're
pretty good, and they've sold this to the press.
Uh-oh.
Well, they've sold this story to the press, and this story is from the CEO of Ford, Jim
Farley.
Okay.
This company CEO, Jim Farley, contends that the automaker has found a better way of making
a car.
More than a century after founder Henry Ford pioneered the moving assembly line.
The concept behind the Ford Universal EV production system isn't new.
It's essentially the unboxed manufacturing process, Tesla touted in 2023.
And still, Elon Musk's electric vehicle maker has yet to turn the idea into reality, giving
Farley an opportunity to put Ford into the thick of the race against China for cheaper
products and more efficient manufacturing.
And you'll figure this out in a minute.
This is a story that, this particular word version I pulled from autonews.com.
But a lot of the car people have the story.
New process, which Ford's likened to an assembly tree, issues traditional linear vehicle production
in favor of three subassemblies utilizing large aluminum castings and a structural battery
that get joined together later.
The upshot, fewer parts, more ergonomically friendly workstations and faster build times.
Let me interject something here.
I watched them build.
Are you listening to this, Mars?
I'm listening.
No, I'm listening.
I'm over there.
I'm waiting for the punchline.
Well, were you on that tour that Ford took us on at the Ford, I don't know whether it
was Michigan Assembly, one of the plants at Ford in Dearborn, around Dearborn, where
we got to see the Ford Focus put together on the assembly line?
No.
Well, this isn't much different because you've got a unibody, the Ford Focus, which they don't
build anymore.
Okay.
And it comes down the assembly line from paint and it comes down, down from up above and
joins the engine, which is down below with a couple of guys installing the engine
from underneath along with the already attached exhaust pipe and muffler, which is an odd-looking
thing because here you've got the engine and here's this long exhaust pipe and the muffler
at the end of it.
They call it marrying it together.
Right.
And so here comes the car and all of that just kind of marries underneath the car.
Two guys and within 30 seconds, they have that whole assembly bolted in.
Two guys.
Okay.
Okay.
This isn't much different from that except they are building this particular unit as
an electric.
So you've got three separate parts of the car.
Okay.
Wall Street was generally unmoved by the August 11th announcement, which included news that
the first product on the platform would be a $30,000 midsize electric pickup built in
Louisville, Kentucky that Farley said would be faster than a Mustang and more spacious
than a Toyota RAV4.
Ford stock closed that day roughly flat, although analysts were generally upbeat
about the company's plans to lower costs.
Six billion dollars, they're going to redo this factory to change the way that they
put the car together.
I'm sorry.
This is EV cars.
Well, they're starting with this one.
This is the test.
Do you understand?
The pilot.
Yeah.
Because of being an EV, it's just the battery and if it's a hybrid, then you've
got a hybrid motor.
Ford said its system will require 20% fewer total parts versus a typical vehicle with 40% fewer
workstations and 15% faster assembly time.
In other words, they're going to put all this stuff together in chunks.
Well, don't they do that now?
Pretty much.
One of the key enablers of Ford's new production system, large aluminum pieces called unit
castings that replace smaller vehicle components, also not new.
People say the system also eliminates 22 pounds worth of wiring harnesses, requires half as
many cooling hoses and ends the need for unwieldy pop clamps.
The platform reduces the number of fasteners needed by a quarter, Ford said.
Ford is spending two billion to transform the Louisville assembly plant for the new
platform.
Two billion just on that.
One plant.
Yeah, just for that.
Yeah, design the car.
You got to design all the parts that go into it.
You got to build the parts first and before we put them all together.
So so and Wall Street wasn't excited over this.
No, neither am I.
And my my word is I love Ford's.
I love the Ford Motor Company.
I do fix the recall issue first.
You know, I've been thinking about that recall issue.
My opinion on that, say you want to buy a car, Mike, you want to buy a Ford.
You're going to buy a Ford pickup F 150, just a smile.
OK, well, for in order for you to buy that car,
you have to be helping build that car.
You get on that line.
And if they're putting in the gas tank, then you help put in the gas tank.
If they're putting in the the engine, you got to be part of putting in the engine.
Oh, dear God, why would I do that?
Well, you could eliminate some of the recalls.
Now you're responsible for what you plugged in there.
We're not responsible for it.
Well, I know what I'm thinking of.
I'm going to pay them $60,000 to let me help build a truck.
Well, maybe you maybe you get it for 40.
Oh, OK, well, that makes it makes no difference at all.
My question is him put that together.
It's his car.
He can't even get the audio on the air.
What are you talking about?
No, if he wants to buy the car, then he has to help build the car.
Sixty billion, six, six billion, excuse me.
How many cars do you have to sell to recoup six billion dollars?
Well, it's $30,000 a piece.
It's in the big pile.
So it's not only that, but you've got the Mustang sales over there.
You got no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's one. This six billion is for specific.
But where are they going to get the money from other?
Well, here and here. Here's the other thing.
Like I said, at the beginning of the story, marketing and PR.
That's what this is. Yeah.
Because doesn't make any sense.
Don't they don't they kind of almost rebuild a factory
when they're going to build something new or different at that factory?
Yeah, it's called it's it's the model change, the model turn.
Well, not only that, but the way that they're doing things today,
they'll say, OK, we're going to start building our Ford F-150 truck
over at this plant because right now we're building the Ford edge over here.
It's not selling as many.
So we're going to increase the capacity of the F-150.
They want to take that plan over, then turn it into something different.
They're constantly shuffling stuff around.
And each time they do that cost them billions of dollars.
And do you think maybe that's where some of the recalls come in?
Because they don't get all that final process done.
And they go ahead.
I think that the recall problem is much deeper than that.
I think that they're asking their suppliers that build the alternator
or the the rings and the pistons or a widget, whatever it is
that they assemble.
I think that they're asking them to build it as efficiently as they can.
And you sell it to me as cheap as you can.
A little bit or a little bit or and I think that that's where the where the issue
is partially anyway.
Well, I think that's a big part of it because obviously if you get something
that's not quite as good as it should be, it may not break.
That alternator may not do something, but it may cause one of the computers,
one of the many computers in the car to have a problem
because it's not getting the proper voltage or something.
Yeah, it goes downstream upstream.
All right.
So we got that.
Let's do the recalls, shall we?
While we're on the subject, JLR Jeep Land Rover.
OK, I'm sorry, Jaguar Land Rover is recalling 121,509 Range Rover
and Range Rover Sports in the U.S., because of potential cracks
in the vehicle's front suspension upper knuckle joints.
The recall impacts certain vehicles from 2014 to 2017.
And all recall vehicles are expected to have the defect in impacted vehicle.
A crack may develop in the front suspension knuckle, potentially
leading to a detachment of the upper suspension arm, resulting
in a loss of driver control and an increased risk of crash.
And of course, Ford recalling 103,174,000 point one F one
fifties in the U.S.
Because of faulty rear axle hub bolts that may break and cause corrosion.
NHTSA said August 8 about one percent of the recall vehicles
from 23 to 25 model years are expected to have the defect.
The brake can lead to corrosion between the hub splines and the axle shaft splines.
Over time, the corrosion can lead to a vehicle
rollaway when the parking brake is not used and a loss of motive power.
In other words, you broke the rear end.
Mercedes Benz EQB, which I've never heard of, 300-formatic,
22 to 23 model years, loss of drive power.
Huh. Imagine that.
Press the accelerator pedal and it don't go nowhere.
Martha. Martha, could you send something to find the garden lanterns?
All right. Time now for our.
Celathon. OK.
Let's see what sold and how much it sold for from Heming sold car weekly roundup.
Shall we? We shall. All right.
Is everybody ready online? Everybody ready at home?
OK, here we go.
This is a 1974 AMC Javelin, which when it was brand new,
I always thought was kind of weird looking.
How much do you think that that car looks completely stock?
It looks like it just rolled off the showroom floor.
But that's a famous body style.
OK, how much AMC Javelin?
Twenty eight. Twenty eight.
Mars. Twenty four.
Twenty four. Do we have any other bidders online?
Bidders online.
We got nothing.
OK, so the sole car price was seventeen thousand eight hundred and fifty dollars.
That would be a great cruise car.
Yeah, Heisman came in late at 16.
So he's. Well, he's cool. He won again, but he's on a roll.
He is. All right.
So next up is this is for Jeff.
A nineteen eighty two Buick Riviera convertible.
How much the eighty two Buick Riviera sold for eighty two.
I'm going eight thousand dollars. Eight thousand dollars.
I was thinking twelve.
Yeah, it is.
And what is it?
It's a convertible.
And what does Mr. Heisman join in?
And I don't know if he's looking it up on Google or something.
Well, you can't you've got it.
We can't look it up on Google and don't go to Hemmings.
Now, he's saying twenty three.
OK, well, OK, well, I say it was.
This is what it sold for.
Twelve thousand eight hundred ten dollars. Oh, you're there.
Next up. So who won that one?
Mike did. Mike did.
Next up is the nineteen seventy seven Jeep CJ.
Now, I had one that was close to that.
It's good looking little vehicle.
And it was lifted just like that.
All kinds of stuff on it.
So how much do you think of seventy seven Jeep CJ?
And this one probably had the forebanger.
It was a Pontiac forebanger, if I'm not mistaken.
How much do you think that's over nine thousand dollars?
No, I'm going to go
nineteen just as eighteen.
Heitzman says eighteen nineteen four twenty five way to go.
Mars does they're very popular.
And look at the that's in a big city someplace.
So that's not been an even an off-road vehicle.
Next up.
I probably prepped this car at Richardson Chevrolet.
A nineteen seventy one Chevrolet Chevelle.
Kathy had a black.
I think you did because there's still paint on the hood. OK.
There's that seventy one Chevrolet Chevelle.
Yeah, because they had to repaint it.
I buffed off the the knob on it.
Seventy one Chevy Chevelle. How much?
Got a black vinyl top look stock except for the wheels.
Yeah, they had a gold one. It was awesome.
I'm going to go twelve.
Heitzman says seventeen.
I'm going to go nineteen.
Heitzman wins seventeen thousand three hundred and twenty five today.
All right. Next up.
This is for you, Mars.
A nineteen sixty.
They are the Metropolitan.
I could see you driving this year.
A nineteen sixty AMC when I was in high school,
some nerdlinger in school that I went to school with
that I never found out because he was hiding.
Drove this thing to school and we all made fun of it.
Nineteen sixty AMC Metricolors. How much?
Man, I really don't know.
I'll go seventeen.
All right, I'll go. I'll go twelve.
Heitzman says five thousand five thousand nine hundred dollars.
Heitzman wins.
What are you going to do with all these cars, man?
OK, here's one for you, Jeff.
Oh, boy.
Nineteen ninety four Acura NSX.
I knew somebody that had a problem with them is I couldn't fit.
My head hit the roof.
That was at the time that was the fastest production car made.
I'm going to go twenty seven.
Ninety four Acura NSX.
I'm going to go twenty one, maybe.
Let's see what Mr. Heitzman's got.
We should have him go first.
Oh, yeah, yeah, we should have made him go first.
He says twenty eight thousand seventy one thousand nine hundred and twenty five
dollars. I'll just put our money together.
We could have it. No, almost.
No, none of us.
We're still. His bid, my bid, your bid.
OK, next up.
Nineteen eighty seven Jeep Grand Wagoneer
with the stick on wood sides.
Still shipping crayon.
It looks like it's completely stock.
And I don't know as if the fog lights are stock or not.
But I think so. What year is it?
Eighty seven Jeep Grand Wagoneer.
So it probably has a small V8 in it, I would guess.
Nine thousand dollars, Jeff.
No, no, no, no, I'm going to say sixteen.
Heitzman says twenty one.
Well, Heitzman was closer.
But still it went for thirty thousand four hundred fifty dollars.
It's so weird.
OK, the next up.
I'd buy this. Yeah.
That's so by this. Oh, you would, too.
Yeah. Nineteen ninety seven Lincoln Town Car
with the small block Ford V8 in it.
It rides like a pillow.
But look at the plate, ninety seven T car.
Heitzman, what do you bid?
You let Jeff go first.
And what do you bid, Jeff?
I'm going to bid twelve.
I'm going fifteen.
I'm thinking Heitzman.
I think he says twenty one on that deal.
It's sold for five thousand nine hundred dollars.
Oh, no, he's I take that back.
He said twenty two hundred.
That was his last five thousand nine hundred dollars.
Now, I have a bonus picture today
that has nothing to do with the sold car roundup.
Chevrolet displayed this car.
And this is the press room Chevrolet.
OK, today, Chevrolet gave car enthusiasts and racing fans
a glimpse of the high performance future.
Two Corvette concept cars, the Corvette CX
and the CX dot are Vision Grand Turismo.
It debuted at the quail of motorsports
gathering Monterey while not intended for production.
The pair will serve as inspiration
to inform Corvette design language for years to come.
Drawing on more than 70 years of performance innovation.
These Corvette concepts
honor the heritage of America's sports car
and propel it to the future.
So let me just say this about this concept car
as with most concept cars.
Yes, it's not a production car.
It is a concept.
However, generally speaking,
what happens at a big manufacturing company like Chevrolet,
they will take elements of this and put it into the C nine Corvette
that we don't know anything about yet.
But it clearly is a mid engine.
Right. Because of the forward cockpit on it.
And it probably has a battery underneath it.
If it's not a full battery. Yeah.
But that is stunningly beautiful.
It is gorgeous.
And I hear they're coming into the the media pool for you guys.
No, yeah, don't wish.
But you know, let me just say this to Chevrolet.
Could you please put something like this?
Bring it to the Houston auto show
and just stick it out there.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Just, you know, if you're not going to sell anything there,
you might as well have something that looks cool.
Right.
How would you like to be the guy that goes to work
and touches that every day, makes that designs it?
That would be. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, there's that.
But why why would they not build something that stunning?
Well, you know, somebody asked me that the other day.
First of all, well, absolutely.
And not only that, I don't know as if you could get it licensed.
And how would you get it over curbs?
I mean, there are a lot of different things.
Transportation safety board, all that Lamborghinis
and Ferraris and all kinds.
True. Well, okay.
So then you're talking about a supercar.
Well, that's what I would put that. Yeah.
In that category.
And so that would price every Corvette owner
that ever had an aspiration of buying a Corvette.
That's the one attractive thing about the Corvette
that you cannot deny.
It has always been affordable to some people.
Right. I bought one in 76 for a 77 model
and the sticker on it was $11,000.
And I paid sticker price for it.
Clearly, it's not that anymore.
But no, still. All right.
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Time now for Jeff's cruise in and events calendar.
You betcha.
You know what's going on today up in Detroit?
The Woodward Dream Cruise is going on as we speak.
So if you're up there, have fun.
I've been to a couple of years and years ago.
They don't they have that televised.
No, no, no, not that I know of.
But it's it's it's like miles.
It's it's cities long.
Yeah, because differences.
Woodward is Woodward.
Woodward was the first concrete road in America laid down.
And now it's on Woodward, but it's also like in Ferndale.
It's in North Detroit.
They have different pockets of the city's habit.
So that's going on right now.
It's in wheel time brings you today's live television coverage
from the Woodward Street Dream Cruise.
Yeah, so it's up there.
There's no way you can cover all of it.
You just sit there with a camera and those three clowns would
sit out there and talk about each car that came by.
Well, look at that peel.
Nobody wants to buy that.
Well, why is that in there?
We could say derogatory things.
It's a lot of fun.
There's a lot of sponsors like we are Detroiters.
General Motors Ford Dodge.
They're all they have their pockets of of what they do for sponsorship.
They've got like you go to Dragstrip.
They've got the indoor places you can go and sit down and eat.
Well, they've got all that too.
So it's a major event up there.
Congratulations, Detroit, on having that.
I've been to a few, but it's not just today's event.
Last week, you'd be riding around Detroit
and you'd see that 68 Camaro with a son and a dad
and it toodling down the Michigan Avenue or something like that.
So you see those cars all the time in Detroit.
But because we are not there, it's just blasé to them.
They see that, you know, Torino or that Nova all the time
driving down the road for us.
It's exciting for them. It's normal.
Well, I think it's excited for every car guy across the United States.
There it was. Yeah.
But for our neck of the woods, yep, our neck of the woods next Saturday.
You got the Mustang owners Club in Austin going on.
It's a 44th annual.
So if you got time, go on up there.
It's in Georgetown, Texas.
You've got the August coffee and cars in Magnolia,
which is not far from here.
Beautiful drive up there in Magnolia.
That's on the 23rd goes from nine to noon.
Cars, coffee, all that stuff.
And of course, they've got charity events going on as well.
So take advantage of some of these things.
There's a lot going on.
Some of these are going to be winding down for the fall.
There's still going to be car clubs and all that meeting.
So stay tuned to your Facebooks
and all your your stuff going on that you socialize with.
So take care of that, but good stuff.
OK, yeah, got some more stories here
making headlines this week. You ready?
Yep. US military wants to figure out
the best way to blow up a Tesla Cybertruck.
Yeah, buddy from automotive news.
Air Force officials are seeking 33 vehicles
to use as targets for live missile fire testing in New Mexico.
According to documents posted by the U.S.
General Services Administration,
most of the vehicles can be sedans, SUVs or pickups of any brand.
But the documents specify the need for two Cybertrucks
out of concern that enemies will use the particular model
to help protect themselves in battle.
They've been found not to receive the normal
extent of damage expected upon major impact.
CEO of Tesla, Elon,
is touted the Cybertruck as bulletproof and apocalypse proof,
though an onstage demonstration during his 2019 unveiling
infamously backfired, as you well know.
Besides the Tesla's, the Air Force is planned to fire
missiles at 18 sedans, six black, six white,
six blue or green, all with sunroofs,
five pickups, five SUVs and three cab over
commercial vehicles known as bongo trucks.
Right. I thought that was an interesting story.
I used to have a set of bongos.
Did you? Yeah.
Can you still play the bongo?
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
Vehicles from the 2026 Bottle Year
are arriving in showrooms,
driving average transaction prices up,
pushing August incentives generally higher on older stock.
Many automakers continue to offer generous
finance terms as low as 0% to draw eligible buyers
facing higher borrowing costs and interest rates,
according to the latest incentives from S&P Global Mobility.
Automakers also dangling deals and promotions
offer often deferring monthly and down payments to counter
consumer fears that prices will rise in the wake of U.S.
tariffs on light vehicle imports.
So if you're in the market for a vehicle,
don't discount a 24 or a 25 model
right? Because, oh, well, that's not the latest greatest.
It probably is.
Yeah, I mean, if you were driving a 10 year old vehicle
and moving up, you wouldn't know the difference between a 24 and 25
with the technology. That's correct.
Consumers might be having more success getting approved
for auto loans based on second quarter data
from the Federal Reserve Bank of New York,
which could be fortuitous as separate second quarter study
by lender Santander Consumer USA
found a bump in demand for vehicles
likely at least partially driven by fears of this tariffs.
Again, last year had been the worst on record for consumers
seeking auto loans according to full year 2024 data
from the New York Fed, which polls Americans quarterly.
Bank second quarter study in June found 6.7% of applicants
had been turned down for an auto loan during the previous 12
months. I didn't know that.
I'm going to try to squeeze this in. Go for it.
In Oklahoma City dealerships insurers disputing any obligation
to defend a former employee who was involved in a crash
while using a company vehicle for personal purposes.
Federated service insurance wants a federal court to rule
whether it has a duty to defend and indemnify
Aaron Cantrell who worked for or Nissan
at the time of the February 21st
multi vehicle crash, according to the complaint.
Father sued her and the dealership on behalf
of the children that were involved in the wreck.
The suit alleged she was traveling at an unsafe rate of
speed for conditions and could not stop in time.
Wrecked the key of the car injuring two people in the crash.
So if you're a car dealership,
might want to check out who's driving your company cars.
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Ford's ambitious new EV production system takes center stage, promising to revolutionize manufacturing with fewer parts and faster assembly times. The team discusses the implications of this shift, alongside the latest recalls affecting major brands like Ford and Jaguar Land Rover. The episode also features a lively game about classic car prices, showcasing unique vehicles and their auction results, while touching on automotive news, including military interests in Tesla's Cybertruck. Join for insights on industry trends and entertaining banter.
Original notes
Have car manufacturers been building vehicles the same way for too long? Ford's CEO Jim Farley thinks so, announcing a staggering $6 billion investment in what they're calling the "Universal EV Production System." This revolutionary approach abandons the traditional assembly line in favor of an "assembly tree" using three sub-assemblies with large aluminum castings and a structural battery that get joined together later.
The ambitious manufacturing overhaul promises 20% fewer parts, 40% fewer workstations, and 15% faster assembly times. But as we unpack in this episode, Wall Street's response was lukewarm at best, raising questions about whether this represents genuine innovation or expensive PR. While Ford prepares to roll out a $30,000 midsize electric pickup from this new system, we can't help but wonder if addressing their ongoing recall issues might be a better investment of resources.
Speaking of recalls, we dive into the latest automotive call-backs affecting Land Rover, Ford, and Mercedes-Benz owners. Our popular "Guess the Sold Car Price" game returns with some surprising auction results that show which classics are commanding premium prices in today's market. From AMC Javelins to Lincoln Town Cars, you'll be shocked at what some buyers are willing to pay.
We also explore Chevrolet's stunning new Corvette concept cars that debuted at Monterey Car Week, the US military's curious interest in blowing up Tesla Cybertrucks with missiles, and the latest trends in auto financing. Whether you're a casual car enthusiast or die-hard automotive aficionado, this episode delivers the perfect blend of industry insights, entertainment, and automotive passion that keeps you connected to everything happening in the world of wheels.
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