The hosts are talking about how to choose a mechanic you can trust. They’re also explaining why car repairs can feel scary and how to make the process less stressful.
This is about reducing the risk of getting taken advantage of at a shop. A good approach is to get clear information—like what’s wrong, what it costs, and why—before you agree to repairs.
OBD-II is a built-in computer system in your car that watches for problems. When something goes wrong, it saves a code, and a scan tool can read that code so you can figure out what needs fixing.
The Clean Air Act is a U.S. law meant to reduce air pollution. It helped drive rules about how cars control emissions and how those systems are monitored.
This refers to the gap between what drivers expect from a repair shop and what shops explain or document during diagnosis and repair. When cars get more complex, misunderstandings about symptoms, causes, and costs can increase unless communication is clear and expectations are aligned.
Modern cars rely heavily on computers, sensors, and emissions-control systems, which makes diagnosing problems more technical than in the past. That complexity is part of why tools like OBD-II scan tools and more structured diagnostic processes became common.
Diagnostics is how a mechanic figures out what’s really wrong with your car. Instead of guessing, they run tests and use tools (and sometimes software) to find the exact cause. That’s why diagnostic time can cost money, even before any parts are replaced.
When people say you’re paying for software, they usually mean the computer tools and programs the shop uses to talk to your car’s electronics. Some repairs require updates or settings changes that can’t be done with basic tools alone.
Mitchell One is a company that makes repair information software for mechanics. Shops use it to look up the right repair steps and specs for specific car models.
Advanced driver-assist is the technology in newer cars that helps you drive—like cameras and sensors that watch the road. When something goes wrong, it’s not always a simple fix because the car’s computer and sensors all have to work together.
Hunter Engineering is a company that helps with automotive testing and diagnostic tools. The host is setting up a discussion about how advanced driver-assist tech gets diagnosed and serviced.
The check engine light is like a “something’s not right” message. It can come on for lots of different reasons, so the mechanic has to scan the car to find the exact code and cause.
This is about choosing between a dealership and an independent mechanic. The point is that both can do great work or do poor work, so you should focus on how they diagnose and repair cars, not just where they are.
An oil change is when the old engine oil is drained out and replaced with new oil. The point here is that the host thinks a good shop should be careful and consistent even with routine work.
The drain plug gasket is a small seal that sits between the drain plug and the oil pan. It helps prevent oil from leaking after the oil change, and if it gets damaged it can make the plug difficult to remove.
They’re saying you should judge a mechanic by how reliably they do good work, not just by whether they fit your schedule. If a shop makes excuses or does careless work, that’s a bigger problem than the hours they’re open.
Term
preference for shops that answer the phone professionally
Professional phone communication is presented as a practical indicator of shop quality. The host links it to clearer explanations, better customer handling, and a willingness to show evidence of what was found.
Diagnostic time is the billed labor for systematically testing and troubleshooting a problem before repairs are recommended. The host frames it as a good sign because it means the shop is testing rather than guessing.
Deferred maintenance means putting off car repairs or scheduled service. Sometimes it saves money short-term, but it can lead to bigger problems later.
Car payment affordability is about making sure the monthly cost fits your budget. It helps you decide whether to repair your current car or replace it without getting financially stressed.
A second opinion means you ask another mechanic to look at the problem too. It can help you confirm what’s wrong and whether the repair is really needed.
The thermostat is like a temperature-controlled valve for your engine’s coolant. If it doesn’t open when it should (or is installed wrong), the engine can run hotter than expected because coolant isn’t moving the way it should.
The jiggle pin is a tiny part on the thermostat that helps let air out of the cooling system. If it’s pointed the wrong way, air can get trapped and the engine may not cool or warm up properly.
Airbound means there’s trapped air in the cooling system. That air can block coolant flow, so the engine may not cool correctly even if the thermostat is new.
A factory service manual is the manufacturer’s official repair documentation, often including exact installation orientation and torque/spec procedures. Here, the host references it as the source stating the jiggle pin placement differs from what they expected.
After radiator/thermostat work, the cooling system often needs to be bled so air doesn’t remain trapped. The host describes a practical shop method—parking the vehicle nose-up overnight—to encourage trapped air to move and “burp” out, restoring proper coolant circulation.
The Lucid Air is an all-electric car, meaning it runs on a battery instead of gasoline. It’s designed to go a long distance on a charge and to feel smooth and quiet while driving. The name “Air” is part of the brand’s model naming and is tied to the car’s electric, efficiency-focused identity.
When you open up a car’s cooling system, air can get trapped inside. “Burp tooling” is a way to push that air out so the engine doesn’t run hot.
Term
pin is eliminated
Some aftermarket thermostats are modified by removing a small feature/pin that may be part of how the thermostat controls bypass flow or prevents certain failure modes. The hosts are questioning whether eliminating that pin changes critical behavior and whether it’s safe or compliant with the thermostat’s intended function.
This is a Ford F-150 with EcoBoost, meaning it uses a turbocharged engine. The caller is talking about big repairs and what other problems could show up after the warranty period.
They’re talking about warranty coverage and how it can run out based on mileage even if the time period still looks good. The key is figuring out what’s covered before the warranty actually ends.
A ten-speed transmission is the gearbox that has ten different gear ratios. It helps the engine run at the right speed for acceleration and efficiency, but it’s more complicated than fewer-gear transmissions, so problems can be costly.
A recall is when the company admits there’s a problem and fixes it (usually at no cost). A class action lawsuit is when many owners join together legally because they believe the same defect caused them losses.
Timing chains are what keep the engine’s moving parts working in sync. If they wear out or need replacement, it usually means the engine’s timing system is no longer operating correctly.
Coolant service refreshes the liquid that carries heat away from the engine. Over time, coolant can lose its protective properties, so servicing it helps prevent corrosion and cooling problems.
They’re checking whether the car’s fan(s) are still running after you park. If it runs for a long time, it may mean the car isn’t finishing a normal process or there’s a problem.
Cars have a system that keeps gasoline vapors from escaping into the air. After you park, the car may run a self-check to make sure the system is sealed and working properly.
Some cars use a small pump to test whether the fuel-vapor system has any leaks. It may pull a vacuum or create pressure so the car can confirm everything is sealed.
They’re suggesting a quick first check: open the hood and see if the fan is actually running. It’s a simple way to confirm what’s happening before you do anything more complicated.
Term
underhood light
They mention an underhood light because it helps them understand how the car is set up when you open the hood. It’s part of figuring out what the car is doing after you park.
Term
monitor that they use on it (no code)
Cars have computer checks that look for problems and decide whether to save an error code. If the computer doesn’t detect a fault, you might hear something but still get no warning light or code.
Concept
diagnostic reasoning: noise vs. trouble codes / fan running hours later
They’re basically saying: don’t judge only by sound. If the car isn’t throwing an error code, and the noise could be from an emissions test, it may not be a real failure—especially if it’s part of a scheduled process.
Cars can run EVAP “check-ups” on their own. They often do it when the fuel has cooled, which can be late at night, so you may hear a sound and assume something is wrong—even though it’s just a test.
Opening the hood is a quick way to look for what the car is doing. In this case, it’s used to check whether the cooling fan is running when the problem happens.
The cooling fan helps keep the engine from getting too hot. It may run when the car needs extra cooling, and if it runs all the time, something in the temperature control system may be acting up.
If the temperature gauge is stuck, it may be lying about how hot the engine really is. That can confuse both the driver and the car’s computer, which may trigger extra cooling behavior.
The host talks about a 2016 Chevrolet Camaro that was acting weird: the cooling fan ran constantly and the temperature gauge seemed wrong. It turned out to be related to the thermostat and the car’s computer response, not just “the engine is overheating.”
Cars have a computer that tries to protect the engine when it senses something is wrong. If it thinks the cooling system isn’t controlling temperature correctly, it may run the fan constantly as a safety measure.
A fault code is like a stored clue from the car’s computer. It can be saved even when the check engine light isn’t lit, and it helps a mechanic figure out what went wrong.
Sometimes you get so many different opinions that you freeze and can’t decide. With car maintenance, it can happen when people argue about the “right” way to service something.
Term
CBT fluid
CBT fluid is the special fluid used in your Toyota’s hybrid transmission system. It helps the transmission work correctly, and the way it’s serviced should follow Toyota’s instructions.
This is a 2022 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid. It’s a hybrid SUV, and the transmission uses special fluid that may or may not be scheduled by the manufacturer—so the service approach matters.
A power flush is when a shop uses a machine to push fluid through the transmission system. Some people prefer not to do this on older or higher-mileage transmissions because it can stir up problems.
This is a 2016 Ford Edge with the 2.7 EcoBoost engine. The owner is asking about when to service the transmission fluid and whether a basic fluid change is enough.
Concept
drain and refill vs. deeper service
Drain-and-refill is like changing the transmission fluid by removing what you can and putting in fresh fluid. A more involved service may also clean the pan and replace the filter, which can remove more old gunk.
This describes a deeper transmission service where the transmission is opened to access the pan and filter. Cleaning the pan and replacing the filter can remove more debris than a basic fluid change, which is especially relevant if the fluid is overdue or contaminated.
The host is talking about when to change transmission fluid. He suggests doing it around the 50,000–70,000 mile range, and he claims that doing so can help transmissions last much longer than if fluid is neglected.
Over time, transmission fluid can leave sticky deposits inside the transmission. Those deposits can make the transmission’s internal parts work less smoothly. New fluid can help clean and loosen that buildup.
Automatic transmissions use a pump to build pressure inside the transmission. That pressure helps control when and how the transmission shifts. Because of that, fluid pressure matters for how the transmission behaves.
The host mentions a specific machine used for transmission fluid service. His point is that the process is controlled and uses the transmission’s own pressure rather than trying to blast everything out with extreme force.
The host mentions some Jeeps with plastic transmission pans and says that changes how he thinks about transmission service. The takeaway is that not every transmission is set up the same way, so the safest approach can vary by design.
Concept
cost of transmission replacement vs fluid service
The host is basically saying: if your transmission is acting up, trying a fluid service can be much cheaper than replacing the whole transmission. He thinks it’s worth attempting sooner rather than waiting until the damage is more expensive.
Changing fluids on schedule can help parts last longer. If you wait too long, the car can get damaged and repairs get much more expensive.
Concept
average used price of a used vehicle
This is a cost-of-ownership framing: when used cars are expensive, it can make more financial sense to keep and repair your current vehicle. The episode uses market pricing to argue for maintenance over replacement.
This is a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica minivan. The owner reported clunking over bumps, and the mechanic checks the front suspension and steering parts to make sure it’s safe to drive.
The front suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the ride feel smooth. If it starts making clunks, it usually means something in that system is loose or worn.
The sway bar link is a small part that helps the suspension stay stable. If it’s worn out, you can hear clunks when you hit bumps, and the car may feel a little loose.
Potholes are road hazards that can shock suspension components and reveal worn parts through noises or looseness. In this case, hitting bumps/potholes helped the mechanic pinpoint the source of the clunk.
A pinch bolt is a bolt that clamps parts together so they stay firmly connected. If it’s not tightened enough, the parts can shift and make noise—and in a bad case, it can affect how the steering feels and works.
A steering cradle is the sturdy frame section that holds the steering system in place. If it’s moved or lowered for a repair, it has to be put back correctly so the steering stays tight and safe.
The steering rack is the main steering gear that turns your steering wheel input into movement that actually steers the car. If a connection near the rack isn’t tightened, you can get rattles or noises.
When a shop takes apart steering parts, they have to put everything back tight and correctly. If they miss tightening one bolt, you can hear noise and the steering can become unsafe.
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Why you don't trust the repair shop and maybe you should? Hey,
let's get this hour going. Ronanni and the Car Doctor
here at your service card. Byte'es done right? Five six
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got a question, you give us a call. Let me
ask you a question today. When did going to the
repair shop becomes something you guys fear you dread it.
You dread it worse than the dentist or the doctor.
You know.
I was having breakfast this morning with the wife and we were talking about questions people have and what are people concerned about. And I'm always I've always try to
have my ear to the ground.
You know.
One of my biggest faults is I just assume everybody knows what I know. I know that sounds silly, but
you know, my wife said to me that in her group.
She's part of a group, the Bergen Moms on Facebook, and she said somebody she'd asked them. She said, Hey,
my husband's looking for questions. If you notice I'm doing reels.
If you're not aware, we've been doing reels. We're going
to start to you know, pound the social media platforms, and we've been doing reels the last two weeks in high volume. But I want questions. Listen. I got to
I have a thousand things in my head I can say and talk about, but I want to know what you guys are thinking. What are you looking for? What
questions do you have? She put it to her woman's
group that she belongs to, and one of the questions came back, was what is OBD two and how do I buy a scan tool? And my wife said, what
is OBD two? And I said, well, you know, in
nineteen ninety one, the Congress got together and decided by nineteen ninety six, the Clean Air Act would incorporate the fact that if your vehicle exceeded one and a half the legal limit of a mission. And she started looking
at me, like, what language are you speaking? And I
knew I had kind of overshot the mark a little bit right, and I put it into simpler language, and she said, that's great. That's what you need to go with,
because she said, you can talk over the heads of most people, but you know, if you're not hitting the target, what's the point score one for the wife unit? She
was absolutely spot on. So you know, we welcome by
the way, the Bergens moms up there on Facebook, they've they've followed us quite a bit, and you know, they're starting to get involved with questions and we appreciate that.
We like your questions too. By all means, you know,
if you've got something you want to see in a reel or a story or a comment or a YouTube video.
'ron At cardoctorshow dot com you send it out? But
when did going to the repair shop become something you fear?
You know, you don't hesitate to go to a doctor.
You really don't hesitate to call a plumber. And you
know the electrician is definitely someone you need in the carpenter, the handyman. But boy, you say mechanic. You guys lock
up your heels and dig them in and say, I'm not going there. I'm gonna wait until the car stops.
I think they're over selling me. And in all fairness,
this industry has earned its reputation, it really has. It's
earned some of that reputation because they've done a lot wrong.
But you know, here's what changed, and I think here's what caused some of the mistrust. And here's what I
think caused some of the communication issues, because there's clearly communication issues between the consumer and the shop. Cars really
got complicated. They got fast, They got complicated faster than
the conversation about them did. They really did. By the
time I'm done with this opening talk with you today, they will have taken another step up the ladder of technology. Today.
You're paying for diagnostics, you're paying for software, you're paying for training and you're paying for time because when it comes down to it, all of those things are what's needed to properly repair a car. It's changed, the car
has changed. And I know we sit there and say, hey,
the car is different today than it was two years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, but it really has.
It's just so different. I almost can't wait. I was
going to talk about this next week. But next week
we've got a couple of great interviews for you. Russ
Whiteley from Mitchell One is going to be with us talking about repair software and some of the facts of you know, two hundred and sixty million pages of repair information.
We were talking in our during the pre pre show interview, the prep conversation as I call it, and some of the facts he was spitting out. And then we've got
Steve Dawson from Hunter Engineering coming to board next week talking about ADS Advanced Driver assist and the technology there.
What that little mirror is that that makes the vehicle wheels buzz when it's you know, detecting your off road and what that forward looking camera does and how it's interacting with all the modules on the vehicle and the car got complicated. You know, check engine light today could
mean multiple things, and it could very well mean a lot of things, and no check engine light with certain complaints can mean a lot of things. So I think
a shop needs to every time it comes in for a problem, we've got a test, we've got to verify, we've got a diagnose. And I think that's where your
disconnect comes in because you guys are asking why am I paying to find out what's wrong? Well, because the
answer takes experience and equipment period. It really does. Now
there's a lot of incompetence out there, and there is because I don't think there's enough certification program in this industry.
I've always said it, if you can hold a screwdriver and smile, you're in. But technology is changing that. It's
forcing someone to go to school to get training, to attend training. I talk about it all the time. Automotive
Training Group, which is no longer. I believe they've changed
their name and become something else under a different corporate umbrella, would have certain problems around the country. I would see
it in the classes I would attend that it was always the same fifteen or twenty faces. It wasn't new faces.
And there surely has to be more than fifteen or twenty mechanics in the state of New Jersey that needed to go to training. And I never understood that. And
of course, somewhere in this conversation we've got to talk dealer versus independence. They're good and bad in both, and
there is you know, it's not the sign. It's not
the sign over the doorway that makes a good repair shop.
It's the people in there. It's how it's run. And yes,
the fish does stink from the head, So the guy in charge is responsible for making that a good, better, or best job. So how do you find a good mechanic, Well,
you've got to look for consistency. You can't really look
for convenience, and you can't. You're gonna see a video
next week. I've already shot it. I'm debating about I
probably will put it up because I was trying to shoot it one handed, and I think it sends the message across. I had done an oil change on a
three year old Toyota Raft four and the drain plug gasket, the blue fiber drain plug gasket the Toyota puts on there was crushed to death and stuck to the drain plug so bad. I couldn't take a knife blade and
put it between the gas getting the plug or a screwdriver and pry it off. I ended up having to
finish the video, chuck it in a vice, and then take a pair of pliers and twist it off. And
even then it didn't want to come. I had to
help it with a hammer and a chisel. Why are
we not changing drain plug gaskets? And I know it's
such a small point, and I know some of you won't understand that, but it's just a vital part of the process. But this dealer only maintained car. And this
isn't about every dealer. This is about this one particular
dealer can't get their oil change text to do the job right. And if they can't do an oil change right,
it's not a great shop a good shop, right, you know?
When I showed it to the customer, and this is where I come up with the consistency not convenience, the answer I got was, well, you know, I can only get my car and for service on Saturday, and it was here for this other problem. So I thought I'd
have you changed the oil because you're not open on Saturdays.
A shop not being open on Saturday. Let me let
me correct that a good shop not being open on Saturday doesn't justify why you don't go there, Not in the days of uber, not in the days of other forms of transportation, not in the day and age of you're able to work from home on certain days if you ask permission. You know, come on, it really is
that the excuse that we're going to get rotten work done to our car and then start pointing fingers when we've got issues. You've really got to know that a
good shop answers the phone professionally, they explain things clearly, and they're willing to show you what they found. You've
got to start to ask questions of what are you seeing you know, how are you testing it? If I
bring you my car for this, what are you going to do for it? And if they say, hey, we're
going to spend an hour and charge diagnostic time, that's good because that means they're testing. They're not guessing. So
is it safety or convenience? What is it when you
pick a shop? Because everybody wants a good mechanic, but
you don't have the questions A good shop answers. A
great shop a appreciates the question and answers it with a ferocity and a virtuoso that just they sing the answer.
They're just so happy to say it. This has to
be a conversation because if you don't understand the repair, you won't trust it. From the shop side, me, the
guy in the shop. I've got to communicate better I do,
because trust is everything. Right, You've got to tell me
what's good. I'll tell you what's bad. If you're deciding
whether to fix your car, don't decide based on fear.
I've got to I've got to coach you and take you through the process because a lot of times it's what color, What color is the next car going to be?
Can we afford the eight hundred dollars a month car payment that's the average car payment now in the United States, the fifty thousand dollars purchase price for that new car.
You've got to decide repairs and replacement based on information, not on fear, and a good shop nurtures that. Sometimes
you get a second opinion, and you do that because well, maybe you don't trust that shop and that shop needs to work on it more. But you've got to work
on it too. You've got to give the shop a
fair shot. The right repair, the right mechanic isn't always
the cheapest. It's the one who makes sense long term,
because a good shop solves problems. Find one. Keep them
coming up next your calls. I'm running Nanny and the
car Doctor. We're just getting started. Hey, let's go over
to Bill in Colorado and kick things off this hour. Bill,
what's going on? Welcome back, sir? How are you?
Hey?
How you doing ron good?
What's going on?
Talking a weird question. So earlier this week, I was
replacing a craft radiator on two Tacoma three point four six, and so I was in there. I did the thermostat.
When I opened the housing, I noticed that the old thermostat had the jiggle pin on the bottom and so of the top. And I was like, well, that's weird.
And they didn't get airbound. Put in a new thermostat,
put the jiggle pin on the top because that's where the joggle pin goes. And uh fired up the engine
and uh, I didn't get a good thermostat opening. You know,
it was a one age degree stat it kind of kept moving up towards one point eighty five and then kind of started to slow down. But it was never
like thermostat open clearly. And so I did some research
and I discovered that on that engine, the jiggle pin has to be on the bottom and otherwise you get these exact same symptoms. So uh, I reinstalled the STAT
with the jiggle pin on the bottom and works perfectly.
I'd like to know, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit here and join you and question why do they do that?
What's the logic? And is the stat is it even possible? Well? Right,
because the purpose of the jiggle pins, as Billy calls it, is to allow air to bleed through so the system doesn't get airbound. Now, now, I've never seen that on
a Toyota. Every Toyota I've ever seen, as a matter
of fact, with a STAT placement, there's usually a notch.
They usually put a little a little aluminum tit or stick up you know, where the jiggle pin goes. It
kind of indexes and lines up with that, and it's always in the up position. Maybe it's at the one
o'clock position if we were looking at it like the face of a clock. So I'd have to understand what
the engineer was thinking, because to me, obviously you're not allowing the air to come up. So they've they've got
to have a reason. Where did you read that that
the jiggle pin goes down Bill Well.
Among other places the factory service manual.
Interesting, send me the VIN of that vehicle when you get a chance, Okay, just email it to me because I'd like to. I'd like to see what they're talking
about there. You know, air is air goes up right,
and you know it's it's listen, if you ever visited the shop, the far side of the parking lot has about a fifteen eighteen degree incline to it because after we do a cooling system, if we have been unsuccessful getting the air out of this any vehicle, we'll park it nose up overnight and it burps air out automatically and it's it's yeah.
So this one, the hard part of the repair was turned the truck upside down to burp tooling.
Yeah. Right, I could understand that. I could understand that.
I've I've got to see and the three four V six isn't that uncommon? There's a ton of them, and
I've got to think that I've done thermostats on those and I've always I've always turned them up, but I've never had an issue. For the record. Now, you know,
there's the other side of that, and you know, I do see some aftermarket thermostats where that pin is eliminated, and I'm wondering how they get away with it. If
it's that critical, how do they get away with it?
And I'd have to question that as well. Send me
that pin, Billy, I want to I want to do a little research on that. We'll report back in a
couple of weeks and we'll talk again, all right, because I have not had that experience. Ron it you know
what is? You send it to ron a car doctor show, Doug.
We'll do all right, kiddo.
All right, thanks for having me.
Welcome you too. Bye bye. Let's go to Tom and Iowa. Tom.
What can I do for you today? Yes, sir Tom?
So yeah, there he is Tom. How can I help?
Yes?
Yes, sir? What's going on?
Twenty twenty three, twenty eighteen Ford F one fifty Eco Boost And I've just had complete rebuild with camphasers and the timing belt and all those things and the things that weren't covered by Unfortunately, I have a warranty which cost three thousand and they paid forty five hundred. But
the other things they didn't cover, of course, were like the peter hoses and the water pump they said were still good but you needed to do it, and the wires.
But now my question is that stuff is all covered for two years, but my warranty has only got about three thousand miles on it. Are there other things that
can go on those twenty eighteens that I should be worried about getting another warrant?
Is this a five leader? Tom?
Three?
Five?
This is a three five? Okay, this is a three
to five? How many? How many speed transmission?
Is it ten?
Well? That's next? How many miles are on it?
One d and thirty three? Yeah?
Have you done a trans yet? No? Wow? I'm shocked. Really,
And let's I did?
I bought it at ninety unless someone else did before?
Okay, yeah, probably. I typically don't see the ten speed
Ford trans go past fifty thousand miles to be very honest.
As a matter of fact, I read something this week that there's either some form of a recall or some form of a class action suit coming up against Ford or being considered because of the disaster that the ten speed transmission was. So when they did when they did
the work on the V six did and they did the cam phasers in the chains, right, they did camp phasers, they did timing chains. Did they do the water pump.
Yeah, I had to pay for that because that wasn't underwarrnty because they said it wasn't gone yet, but that would be the next thing to go. They did water
pump too.
Right, Yeah, Now that's what you want to do. That
three five is a pretty durable motor. Stay on top
of the oil changes. Oil change. Oil changes will not
help water pump life on that vehicle. It will help
you know, you've got to do coolant service for that.
But let's face it, water pumps do wear out. One
hundred and thirty is nothing to sneeze at. The good
news is three grand or five grand or whatever you're going to spend is cheaper than a new one because a new truck today starts at sixty five almost seventy thousand dollars, so you're still ahead of the curve. But
I would look at a warranty on the rest of the drive line, particularly that trend stay on top of it.
I'm Ronning Andy in the car. Doctor. I'm back right
after this from the city street. It's to the open
road tonight. Hell, ron will keep you roll. Hey, let's
go over to Mary and Iowa twenty five Chevy Tracks. Hey, Mary,
how are you welcome? I run, yes, ma'am. How can
I help?
Well, I've got the Chevy Tracks and I've got a fan or something running after I have driven it from six six o'clock in the morning and put it in the garage and I come out at like eleven thirty and something's running on the car and it today I heard it and I videoed it, and it sounds like it's coming from the engine part of it, and maybe a fan running.
If you if you raise the hood, can you see if the fans are running?
You know, I didn't look right.
I mean, that would be my first question. And listen,
cars will do different things after hours, so to speak, So this could be a problem. If the fans are
running six hours later, that's a problem. But if the
fans aren't running, it's possible that this is doing something with evaporative emissions. So let's talk about this a second. Okay,
evaporative emissions. If you took a gallon of gas and
left it in a can and put it in the middle of a parking lot with the capwoff, where would the fumes go into the atmosphere? Right? Right, So all
cars are basically big gas tanks. They're just big gas cans, right,
They've all got fuel in them. So forty years ago
the federal government decided, in the interest of clean air, we were going to capture those fumes so that they couldn't venture out into the environment and hurt the atmosphere.
Good so far, right makes sense? Yes, So part of
the testing of that system to make sure that the tank is intact, making sure there isn't a pinhole somewhere is at different times, different cars with different systems, will you know, suck in, pull a vacuum all right? Okay,
and they do this different ways, but they'll do this sometimes with something called an LDP or a leak detection pump.
And trust me, there's probably fifty different variations and names and terms and welcome to my industry. Right. Yeah, So
my question would be if the fans aren't running, you know, well, my first question is are you hearing the fans? Is
it the fans running, and it would be simply a matter of pop the hood. And as a matter of fact,
do you park the car in a garage? Yes, okay,
if you open the hood. Is there an underhood light?
No? I don't think so.
Okay, if there's no underhood light and the car's not locked and alarms not armed, leave the hood up this way you can see it quickly. How long does whatever
this noise is, how long does it last?
Well, it lasted for me to run into the house and back out to get my camera and open the hood, and I don't know how long it's been running before that.
Now I can tell you that it will not show anything.
When they put them the monitor that they use on it.
It does not show a code.
Has it ever had a dead battery?
No?
Kind of interesting, right, you would think if it's a fault, you would think it's going to reflect at least in some sort of a symptom. In other words, if you
weren't there. This is like if the tree falls in
the forest doesn't make a sound, Right, if you weren't there to hear it, how would you know there's a problem.
The car's not showing you any such thing. Sure, so
my first my first thought is is it really the fan?
If the fan is running six hours later, that's a problem.
I don't know any reason why would do that, all right, And that's where, okay, I get it right, Okay, But if the fan isn't running and something's making noise, is this, and I'll say it like this, is this a newly new redesigned And I don't know that it is, but I'm starting to make assumptions, which is dangerous. But it's
the only way I can think about this is does this vehicle have a newly redesigned leak detection pump EVAP system check pump something related to evaporative emissions? All right,
that the dealership may not be aware of. And what
you're hearing is that noise. Listen, it's it's unsettling. I agree.
My wife's lexis does it? I walked down I walked
out into the garage one night. She was home a
good couple of hours and I walked out into the garage one night to you know, garbage into the can and I hear, I'm going, huh. And when I yeah,
you think the car is running? You hear something running?
And when I went and did some research on it.
I found out that she has she has evaporative emissions that will run it's called active evapp system tests and it will actually go through and run its test in the middle of the night after the fuel has cooled down, because that's when they get some of their most accurate readings to decide if the system has integrity, that it's not open or venting and not leaking. So that's why
I say, just because it sounds like a fan, make sure it's not it is or isn't the fan? Right? Okay, yeah,
and then we can have a better conversation. Don't be
surprised if the dealer isn't aware of why that's happening, because they haven't run into it before. Nobody's had a complaint.
I've had it in there several times for this same issue and they say they have to leave it and run back and forth out into the parking lot to see if it's going to do that well that they want me to do the video so they could hear the one.
Right, Either that or just like I said, lift the hood, all right, you know, lift the hood and look I mean for that matter, now there's a little danger today.
But I didn't see anything.
Right, there's a little danger involved here if you can get to So I say this cautiously. If you want
to know if the cooling fan is running and maybe you miss it, how about the next time you go out to the car and you shut the car off and you just use a pair of pliers because I don't want you to stick your fingers in there. But
I've put toilet paper into cooling fans or in front of cooling fans, I'll lay it. I'll lay it in
proximity of the cooling fans. So if I come back
three hours later and the toilet paper is either chopped up or has been displaced, right, I knew something. I
knew something blew it away.
Well, I can tell them to try that, right. I
don't think I want to try right.
I don't want you to try it either. But it's
just you know, because I'm always I'm always trying to think, how how would I test something if I had to test it if I wasn't there to see what it was doing, or like I said, pop the hood. If
you pop the hood and the fans not running, but you're hearing your noise, then.
It's not that it's actually done it since I got it.
Okay, it's nothing news, right, right, and that's a year and a half now, right, a year. Yeah, So there's
a lot of strategy that goes into cars. We had
a twenty sixteen Camaro get dropped off at the shop this week that the cooling fan was running all the time, all the time, temperature gauge was stuck it cold. Now,
you would think, right, if the cooling fans running all the time, wouldn't that suggest to you that the car was overheating.
I don't know that much about them, I'm sorry.
Well, at the point became that the cooling fans running all the time, temperature gage stuck down low, the car had a bad thermostat, the temperature wasn't being maintained properly, and in order to provide safety for the vehicle, the strategy of the computer is, I'll turn the fans on, make it run all the time time, hopefully I get the customer's attention and he gets it in for service.
It did not have a check engine light, but it did have a fault code. So there's a strategy involved,
is my point. Just like I'm sure there's a strategy
involved in your tracks making this noise. But like I say,
if you think it's the fan and they can't prove it, the first question I've got is the next time you go out there and it's making the noise, is the fan running? Which is where we started this conversation.
I can actually give them the video and let them listen to what I'm hearing, right, and they would know more probably.
But maybe it may not tell them anything. It may
just say, hey, something's running. So, like I said, if
you go out there tonight and it's making the noise, is the fan running, bring a flashlight with you. Let's
make it simple, all right, Kittle, Okay, thank you, You're very welcome. Y. Let me know what happens. Mary, I'm here.
If you need more, you're welcome. Be well. Eight five
five five six o nine nine zero zero. We're back
right after this. Hey, welcome back. I want to talk
a little bit real quick if I can about transferid service.
I've been meaning to, you know, talk to you guys about this. I've got more than a few emails, this
one for example from Mark Ron. I've got a serious
case of analysis paralysis. I'm looking to get the CBT
fluid in my twenty two Raft four Hybrid changed. I
know it's considered lifetime and a pretty involved procedure. Went
to my local Toyota dealer, spoke to a service advisor.
She said they would do a power flush, which is exactly what I didn't want to hear. She explained it
wouldn't be harmful because it only has sixty thousand miles on it. I know you like exchanges in your affinity
for the Malis system. I'm wondering if she misspoke, almost
wondering if Toyota has some type of standard procedure and or factory machine. I'm planning and driving the wheels off
this car and really literally even doing more harm than good.
Thanks Mark, another one, just to show you that you know it kind of doesn't matter the vehicle. My thinking
is going to still be the same. Run My twenty
sixteen Ford Edge two point seven Eco Boost is overdue for a trans service at seventy thousand miles. Is a
drain and refill adequate or should I pay a little bit more to have AMCO and actually have the transmission cracked, open, filter and pan cleaned and service. I didn't have any
issues with the trans in both cases, I would start with fluids, and I would do them in the fifty to sixty thousand mile mark. It's interesting to note that
replacing fluid on the majority of transmissions in that fifty to seventy thousand mile range, those are the guys that are driving those vehicles with original transmissions at two hundred thousand miles, while the other ones are being replaced at one hundred and twenty hundred and thirty thousand mile mark.
And that's just statistics and just based on what I'm seeing in the shop and the things I'm reading, and you know that I'm hearing in the forums. Onto the
conversation about a power flush, I don't know of any machine on the market today that is doing a power flush.
Power flush to me denotes pressure. I don't know of
any trans manufacturer, and I don't know why they would where they would actually try to push sediment and varnish through a transmission under pressure, because, let's back up transmission fluid transmissions as they operate, fluid will cause a varnish build up on the inside of the case. It's just
a normal part of the procedure. It's just part of
the process when you do a fluid change. Transfluid is
a very high detergent fluid. We've said this before, and
that fresh fluid will act against that varnish that sediment, whether it's in the pan or on the walls of the inside of the trans wherever it is, cause it to break down and be distributed. Now, what makes an
automatic transmission work Fluid flowing under pressure built within the transmission.
Fluid flowing in the transmission under pressure that the trans builds.
That's what the pump does, all right. That causes different
valves to open and operate at different times based on other controls. So if we're doing a quote unquote power
flush trying to purposely dislodge sediment, no machine in the world is going to get all of it out. The
Mala machine uses the pressure of the transmission, so the trans is going at its own pace, and it's a simple quart in court out procedure. You'll go on YouTube,
go to my YouTube channel ronin any and the Car Doctor.
You'll see we've got two or three videos up there where we're specifically using the Mala ATX two eighty machine and it's a very simple process. Just follow the prompts.
Trans fluid wears out. I don't care who the manufacturer is,
and the only one that I will give a doubt to are some of the jeeps with the plastic pans.
But I've kind and I've had this conversation in my head for a while. Now, is it worthwhile to do it?
I think so, because I've come back to that, even though some of the manufacturers say no, I say, it's still cheaper to try, because to replace that trans is eight to ten grand. It's an expensive unit like everything
else today. So I say a fluid service might be
just the ticket. I would say in this case is
get both of these done a little sooner is better than later, and stay on top of it. And if
you spent a few extra bucks doing a fluid service sooner rather than later and not have to pay for a transmission, aren't you better off? Again? What are we
up against? We're up against fifty thousand dollars new cars
average price. We're up against thirty thousand dollars price for
a used vehicle. Average used price of a used vehicle
in the United States right now is about thirty grand.
We're up against average car payments of eight hundred dollars a month and you know, start looking in the news, in the papers, right online, you're seeing lease payments five six, seven hundred dollars a month, car payments eight nine, one thousand dollars a month. It's it's big bucks out there.
So keep what you got going rather than trying to replace it just because you don't want to do some basic maintenance. Just my thoughts. I hope that did it
for you. Eight five five, five six nine nine zero zero.
Coming back to close it out right after this, So where do we finish this hour? I want to talk
about this, this twenty eighteen Chrysti Pacifica that was in the shop this week because it was a concern of safety.
The customer complaint concern was clunks over bumps and noises traveling down the road. But I noticed when I got
in it, because I pulled the ticket that as soon as I turned the wheel left to come out of the parking space, I heard a loud, definitive clunk. Turned
it to the right, loud definitive clunk. The car wasn't
even moving yet, and as I you know, kind of dry rock the steering wheel back and forth, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, like is this car safe to drive? And I sort
of do that premeditated anytime I got a clunk complaint, because I'm concerned a vehicle I've never seen before, is it's safe to go on the road. Who's been working
on it? What have they done to it? Because if
it shows up on my doorstep for the first time with a noise complaint, especially something involving suspension and steering, you know, I want to know Ron's going to come back.
I'm just always a little leery of what I'm experiencing.
So I felt comfortable enough I took it around the block.
There was a definitive clunk from the front suspension. Every
time the left front wheel hit a pothole or a bump, sounded like sway bar link. Brought it into the shop.
Sure enough, bad sway bar link left front. The right
front was on its way. It had a little wiggle
to it, so I recommended two sway bar links. But
as I said to the owner, I can't promise that's going to fix because I see no connection with the dry rocks during wheel clunk, clunk, clunk, clunk, So let me look into that a little further. I crawled under
the dashboard. As a matter of fact, there's a reel
on our Facebook page or our Instagram if you have either one of those, where I'm under the dashboard, kind of wedged in there, and I'm a big guy to get under the dashboard. So it was I'm really looking
for something to make it worth the trip. Sure enough,
when the dealer, when the repair shop, I'll say it like that, did the engine some time ago, and they had the steering cradle down, they didn't tighten the pinch bolt for the steering culpler going to the top of the rack. Three turns of the bolt, the noise is gone,
the vehicle safe, God help us. Had that bolt come
loose and the vehicle fell apart. I'm ronning Andy and
the car doctor till the next time. The mechanics aren't expensive,
they're priceless, Doctor carr advice don't right,
About this episode
Ron spends the hour making a case for trust, diagnosis, and preventive maintenance. He argues that modern cars are too complex for guessing, so customers should expect clear explanations and pay for real testing. From EVAP system noises and thermostat quirks to transmission service and a Chrysler steering fix, the thread is the same: careful inspection and timely repairs can prevent bigger bills and safety problems.