Adaptive cruise control is cruise control that can “match” the car in front of you. It helps keep a safe distance and can slow down when traffic slows.
A limited-slip differential helps the truck put power to the wheel that has traction. If one wheel starts slipping, it helps the other wheel still get power.
All-terrain tires are made to work on both regular roads and rougher surfaces. They’re tougher than highway-only tires, but not as specialized as true mud tires.
A two-inch lift means the truck sits about two inches higher than stock. That can help it clear bumps and obstacles off-road, but it can also change how the truck drives.
“35s” means the truck is running 35-inch tires. Bigger tires can help off-road, but they also tend to cost more and can make the truck feel less responsive.
The Ford Ranger is Ford’s midsize pickup truck. The host says it can get pricey with lots of options, and he prefers the convenience of push-button start over a traditional key on the cheaper versions.
“Turbo 4” means a four-cylinder engine with a turbocharger. It can make good power, but sometimes there’s a delay before it feels like it’s really pulling.
A push-button start lets you start the truck with a button instead of turning a key. The host is saying he wants that feature on the higher-priced versions.
The Toyota Tacoma is a popular midsize pickup truck. Here, the host is talking about how it feels to sit in and live with day to day, including the driving position and the interior layout.
The Nissan Frontier Pro-4X is a midsize off-road–oriented trim aimed at buyers who want more rugged capability than a typical commuter truck. The host highlights durability and comfort as the key reasons they’re considering it, and notes it’s a bit more expensive on leases than the Tacoma.
A lease deal is a special offer that makes leasing a car cheaper. The host is saying the good lease offers changed over time, and right now there are some very attractive ones.
Term
halftones
“Halftones” is a style of graphic pattern (like dots or a stippled look) used on some trucks. The host is saying they’re not sure they like that look.
The Ford F-150 is one of the most common full-size pickup trucks in the U.S. The host is comparing it on price and options, noting that it can climb toward $70,000 when you add features.
The Silverado 1500 is a big full-size truck. The Z71 LT Trail Boss is a more rugged version, and the host thinks it’s a good deal once you factor in discounts.
The Dodge Ram is a large pickup truck. The podcast talks about shopping deals and then being interested in a Big Horn trim, which is a more comfort-focused version. It’s mentioned because incentives can make it easier to choose one.
The Ram Big Horn is a nicer trim level on a Ram pickup. The host likes it because it can be optioned with packages that add style and features without going all the way to the most expensive versions.
“Hurricane” is the name for Ram’s 3.0-liter engine. “Standard output” means a less-aggressive version of that engine, and the host is saying it feels smooth and quiet in real driving.
A “package” is a bundle of options you can add to a truck. The host is saying those specific bundles are part of what makes the Ram feel like the right choice.
The Chevrolet Bel Air is a classic American car model. The podcast mentions it along with other famous performance cars to describe how that whole market became popular. It’s brought up because it’s a well-known name from classic car history.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty car that’s known for performance. It comes in different versions over the years, but it’s generally built for driving excitement. The podcast mentions it as part of the wave of popular muscle-style cars.
The Ford Mustang is a sporty car, usually a coupe or convertible, made for driving enjoyment. It’s one of the most well-known performance models in the U.S. The podcast mentions it when talking about how these kinds of cars became popular.
Concept
rustamodding
It means taking an old, rusty car and modifying it into something new, instead of trying to restore it exactly like it was from the factory. People do it to make it usable or more interesting, not just to keep it original.
“OE parts” are the same type of parts the car maker originally used when the vehicle was new. People prefer them when they want a restoration to feel factory-correct.
That’s a nickname for older Chevrolet trucks with a boxy, angular look from the late 1970s/early 1980s. The point here is that these trucks are getting more valuable and harder to find at reasonable prices.
Car
Toyota 4x4 pickups
They’re talking about older Toyota pickup trucks from the mid-80s to early-90s that have four-wheel drive. Four-wheel drive helps them handle rough roads, and that makes them popular with collectors too.
This means the market where people buy and sell classic or enthusiast vehicles. Prices there depend a lot on what buyers want and how many people are interested at the time.
It means car tastes change as different age groups become the main buyers. When a generation loses interest, prices can drop; when a new group starts wanting those cars, prices can jump.
The host is talking about a niche group of buyers who collect older pickup trucks that have 4-wheel drive. They’re saying this group is buying more than other collector-vehicle categories right now.
The Dodge Viper is a sports car built to be very fast. The podcast brings it up because people think it has proven performance and value when deals show up. It’s mentioned as something enthusiasts look for.
Car
ram srt10 viper truck
The Ram SRT-10 is a special, high-performance version of a Ram pickup that uses a big V10 engine. The host is saying it can handle a lot of miles and still hold up well.
Ram is a brand of pickup trucks. The podcast talks about finding a good deal on a performance version like the Ram SRT10. It’s mentioned because people trust those trucks to deliver what they promise.
Car
454 s s's
“454 SS” is a Chevy truck name tied to a powerful big V8. The host is mentioning it as one of the trucks from that era that collectors are starting to want more.
The Ford F-150 Lightning is an electric pickup truck. The podcast says it’s been very reliable to own. It’s mentioned because people want to know if electric trucks can be dependable day to day.
The Ford Edge is a mid-size SUV/crossover meant for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it as an example of a vehicle that could become “classic” later. It’s brought up because people think about which modern cars will age well.
Car
Toyota 4x4 v6 extra cab
They’re talking about a Toyota pickup that’s built to drive on rough roads (4x4) with a V6 engine and an extra-cab layout. The point is that if you find one in great shape with low miles, it can be worth a lot more than you’d expect.
This is the market for older, desirable vehicles that people buy to collect. When not many are available but lots of people want them, prices can jump a lot.
It just means prices rise when there aren’t many of something and lots of people want it. If more people want the trucks than there are trucks for sale, the price goes up.
A crew cab is the truck body style with four doors, so it’s easier for passengers to get in and out. The host is saying some GMT400 crew cab trucks are still priced like deals if you find the right one.
They’re talking about early Ford F-250 diesel trucks with the Power Stroke engine. Collectors often pay more for the early years because they’re rarer and can be more desirable.
Concept
market does ebb and flow
They’re saying the collector-truck market changes over time. Some periods are hot and others are slower, even if prices have been strong overall.
They mean “restomod,” which is when someone takes an older truck and updates it with newer parts so it drives more like a modern vehicle. The host thinks that trend made more people chase these trucks, driving prices higher.
They’re talking about upgrading the gearbox to a newer one. The goal is usually smoother shifting and better drivability—especially when you’ve also upgraded the engine.
This is a Toyota Land Cruiser from the “80 series” generation. It’s famous for being tough and lasting a long time, and the host says people are paying way more for them now.
The Lexus LX 450 is a more upscale, comfort-focused version of the Land Cruiser. The host is saying it’s often a better buy because it can have nicer interior features and fewer problems than some older examples.
“Crack dash” means the dashboard has cracked. It’s usually caused by years of heat and aging, and it can make the interior look bad and lower the car’s value.
“Retro mod” means taking an old classic truck and improving it with newer parts or comfort features, while still trying to keep the original style. The host is saying some of these older trucks have changed as people started modifying them.
Car
cj 5s
The CJ-5 is an older Jeep model that’s known for being simple and capable off-road. The host is saying there are still good deals on common CJ-5s if they’re not rare collector editions.
Car
cj 7s
The CJ-7 is another classic Jeep model, similar to the CJ-5 but with a longer wheelbase. The host says CJ-7s can still be good buys if you’re not chasing rare special versions.
The 1990s Toyota Supra is a famous sports car from the ’90s that collectors really want. Here, they’re using it as an example of how certain cars can become very valuable.
“2JZ” is the name of the engine in a lot of 1990s Supras. People love it because it’s a strong, performance-friendly engine that’s popular for upgrades.
“Automatic or manual” refers to the two main transmission types: automatic shifts by itself, while manual requires the driver to select gears. In many enthusiast markets, manuals can command a premium because they’re more engaging to drive and are often preferred by collectors.
JDM means “Japanese Domestic Market.” It’s basically cars and trucks that were made to be sold in Japan, not the U.S. People like them because they can be rarer or have different setups.
Right-hand drive means the steering wheel is on the right side of the car. Some buyers love it for the “import/JDM” factor, while others don’t because it can feel awkward if you’re used to left-hand drive.
Car
CJ eights
“CJ8” is a rarer classic Jeep from the CJ series. Because it’s harder to find, clean examples can cost a lot more than CJ5s or CJ7s. The host is highlighting that rarity in the collector market.
Patina is the natural “aged” look a vehicle gets over the years. Some collectors like it because it can mean the truck is original and has a real history.
“Survivors” are collector cars or trucks that are still in mostly original condition. They haven’t been changed a lot, so their history and condition can be part of the value.
An “LS swap” is when someone replaces the original engine with a GM LS V8. It can make the vehicle faster and easier to maintain, but collectors may dislike it if they want the truck to stay original.
“4L60” is a type of automatic transmission from GM. People mention it because it’s a common match for LS engine swaps and is supported by lots of parts and tuning options.
Term
decoded digital gauges
“Decoded digital gauges” refers to using an aftermarket or adapted gauge cluster that can correctly interpret signals from a swapped or modified powertrain. In practice, it often involves signal decoding modules so the speed/engine data displays properly after an engine or wiring change.
“Lifter tick” is a tapping sound that can come from the engine’s valve train. It’s often associated with how the lifters are getting oil and can be a sign of wear or just an engine’s known behavior.
“Zero compression” means the cylinders aren’t sealing well enough to build pressure. The host is exaggerating to make a point about how long they think the engine can keep running.
Cummins is a company that makes diesel engines. People often associate Cummins with engines that last a long time, so the host is making a durability comparison.
They’re saying collectors prefer the original body material—especially steel—because it’s easier to judge condition and it’s more “factory correct.” Rust or rot in the body or frame is a big value killer.
The frame is the truck’s main structural “skeleton.” If it’s rusted or rotted, it’s a major problem and can be costly to fix, so collectors care a lot about it.
The Land Rover Defender 90 is a tough, boxy off-road SUV. The host is talking about one he drove when it first came to the U.S., and how the driving position and steering felt awkward to him.
“GM derived v8” means the SUV uses a V8 engine that’s based on an engine design from General Motors. The point here is that even with that V8, the truck still didn’t feel great to live with.
Term
r28 common swap
This is talking about an engine swap—putting a different engine into the vehicle. The host’s point is that certain swaps can make the truck more desirable, which affects resale value.
“Modern powertrain” just means the main mechanical parts that make the truck move are updated. The host’s point is that people want the classic look, but with newer engine/transmission behavior.
They’re talking about adding modern air conditioning so the truck is comfortable to drive every day. It’s part of making an older-looking vehicle feel newer inside.
A four-link suspension uses four arms to hold the rear axle in place. It helps the truck stay planted and can be set up to ride better and handle traction more predictably.
Power locks are door locks that you control with a button or switch instead of a manual key/lever. It’s a convenience feature people often add to older trucks.
A touch-screen stereo is the modern radio/audio system in the dash that you control by tapping the screen. People add them to older trucks for newer music and phone features.
A junkyard is where old cars go when they’re too far gone to keep. The host is saying it’s better to save those cars with a build than to cut up ones that are still worth preserving.
A scrap yard is where metal is recycled from cars that are no longer usable. The host is saying to focus on saving cars that would otherwise be scrapped.
Car
1980 international harvester traveler
This is a classic International Harvester truck/SUV called the Traveler. The “long wheelbase” means more space between the front and rear wheels, which usually helps ride and stability. The big point here is that the owner keeps the original engine and transmission but updates other systems so it drives better.
The “IH 345” is the original V8 engine that came in this International Harvester. “Big Buck” is just a nickname people use for it. The key point is the owner kept this engine instead of replacing it with a modern one.
“Torque-Flight 727” (spoken here as “torque flex 727”) is a Chrysler-built three-speed automatic transmission that’s commonly swapped into classic trucks and muscle cars. In this episode, it’s part of the original powertrain they chose to rebuild and keep.
A “Dana 44” is a heavy-duty axle used on many 4x4 trucks. Axles are what connect the wheels to the drivetrain, and this one is known for being tough and upgrade-friendly. Here, it’s mentioned as the front and rear axle setup.
A “Dana 300” is part of the 4x4 system that splits power to the front and rear axles. The host is pointing out that this truck has a less-common transfer-case option, which makes it more special than the typical setup.
Term
fuel introduction
This sounds like they upgraded how the truck delivers fuel to the engine. The goal is usually easier starting and smoother running than older carburetors. They did it while keeping the original engine.
Suspension is what helps the wheels stay in contact with the road and smooths out bumps. When someone “updates” it, they’re usually replacing worn parts or upgrading the setup so the truck rides and handles better.
Term
heavy-duty steering components
These are stronger steering parts meant to survive rough use. If you drive off-road or run bigger tires, the stock steering can wear out or feel loose, so upgrades help it stay tight and predictable.
The “scout market” is the collector community for International Harvester Scouts. The idea here is that they used to be ignored, but more people are starting to remember them and pay attention again.
The “bronco effect” means when a brand-new, popular vehicle brings attention to an old model name. Once lots of people start caring about it, older collector versions often become more sought-after and can get more expensive.
The “scout effect” means Scouts are getting a wave of new interest. As more people learn about them, more buyers show up in the collector world, which can change prices and availability.
Car
Scout
“Scout” is the name of an off-road truck/SUV brand. The host is talking about the market for used Scouts and how the planned new model timing could influence buyers.
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I hate to start our show off with a negative
But this one is worth talking about our good friend rich hold away from hold away construction
You might know him as rich from Hollister
he suffered a devastating fire this past week and
Took out his business in his shop
And if you remember rich rich has been one of the og listeners
He's always leaving messages on the five star hotline and he had come down to help us finish out the pod shed
So that we could keep the podcast going after we transferred from motor trend to my backyard
So rich has been a very good friend of the show and I just wanted to shout him out
Let him know that we are thinking about him that we are praying for him and his family and his business and
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We know this is a terrible time and a bad setback, but
In every tragedy comes a blessing and we know you're just gonna be fine
Rich is one of the kindest most generous people you'd ever want to meet and good people will will rise again
They always do so just a little bit of love for a friend rich hold away up there in holster, California
And if you can support him and help get his business back up and running, I'm sure he would greatly appreciate it
Alright, so let's talk trucks. I
Know that's why we're here and I've got a guess for you full of truck knowledge, which we'll get to Chris in a few minutes
But this time when I say let's talk trucks. I want to do it for my driveway
I'm getting serious about leasing a truck to be my daily keep the miles off the 392 and that way can keep it fresh for adventures
and not have those miles on the hot rod for the
You know two-minute trip in the morning when it's cold to drop off at school or something like that or the grocery store
so
There's some things that I want I have an idea of the direction I want to go
But I don't want to give it all up at once
I wanted to throw out to you my thoughts some of my research and then I'm curious what you guys
Think about it. So here's kind of my must-haves
Must be a four by four should be pretty efficient for daily driving with good range
I want an upgraded screen and stereo
Comfortable enough to fit the family and all of our gear for softball or things like that. It's not gonna be my off-roading rig
This isn't gonna be maybe we go camping down a dirt road type of a thing or go up to the property
But this isn't this is the around town car
It's gonna be maneuverable enough to drive in the city ability to tow and haul
I'd like at least 1200 pounds and 6,500 pounds of towing that we can yank projects around some of my non-negotiables
It has to have adaptive cruise control
It has to have home link and has to have heated seats for my back
And it should have a rear locker limited slip along with all-terrain tires or even better an off-road package
So that stuff aside, I don't need to be crazy optioned. I don't need leather seats and I don't need a sunroof
You know things like that. I want spring and bed liner, of course
I want, you know, any LED lights or bed lighting. Those are all things that I want. So
Originally I was looking at mid-sized trucks the gladiators at the top of my list for example
I've got the Mopar one came back for a visit
I'll have it for a little while as we put some more stuff on it
And that's the one with the two-inch lift and 35s and I haven't had it for
I guess since Moab and
I got into it the other day. I'm like, man, I just love this thing, right? It's just it's it's fun to drive. It's cool
I enjoy it and they've had great lease deals on them for a while
But those lease deals and that lease support has kind of gone away and the gladiators got a little bit more expensive
And so I'm looking at the price of what it would be, you know, monthly with whatever the budget I'm looking at
And I'm like
There's some other things at that price point that are less off-road and more refined and I might be okay going into that direction
Because I have my off-road machine and I really kind of love the Ranger Raptor
But it's just prohibitively expensive on a lease. They sell everyone they can make so they're not helping you out there
And I really don't need another performance vehicle. So then it comes down to I don't need a luxury truck
I don't need a full performance off-road vehicle
And so I was looking around GM mid-sizers massive improvement over the old generation
But I still don't love the turbo for it's a little bit laggy and there's some
Translatancy especially on the models with bigger tires and then when you get up to the really good models like a AV
Bison edition it has the shocks. It's got the tires
But again, it's almost too off-roading for this particular mission that I'm talking about and you're getting up there in the you know
High 60s $70,000 and I'm not spending that kind of money for a for a daily for the next two or three years
Then you get the Ford Ranger
They're pretty proud on pricing and endless option packages can make it really expensive really fast
The new 2.3 their turbo 4 drives great. I've driven it in the Bronco and I like it a lot and they do have the turbo
276
So that's kind of interesting
But you have to the lower models have things like a you know a key to ignition
I know you guys are thinking well, this is stupid, but if you're gonna pay the money like give me the push button, right?
Looking at the Toyota Tacoma, I don't want to be pushed into a hybrid
I'm not interested in hybrid and I'm just not a fan. I've driven Mike Rice's Toyota Tacoma and
I don't love the seating position or the dash you're spending a lot of time on the inside
It just it just feels downmarket to me
And I'm I just without the right wheel and tire package and in the range that I would probably afford a Tacoma
It still kind of looks like a rental and then I go to Nissan Frontier pro 4x grey truck a little bit more expensive on the leases
But I love the durability. comfort and then again back to gladiator
those lease deals went away and
There's a lot of capability, but are there other trade-offs that might be too similar to the 392?
So I started looking at prices and then there's the halftones and I'm like, you know what?
I haven't really considered a halftone. I'm not I don't I think it's too much truck
but there are some incredibly
incredibly generous lease deals to be had in that space right now and
There's a lot of great trucks out there. So Ford has employee pricing right now
I'd go Coyote if I did F-150, but you can easily option XLT close to 70,000
So that's again, not in budget even a lightly option 5 liter 4x4 truck is in the mid 60s
Another option might be a V8 Silverado 1500 the Z71 LT trail boss is pretty nice
And there's actually a lot of value there low 60s on that before you get into discounts and incentives
And then I looked at Ram and I find myself drawn to the big horn
especially with the night or backcountry package and the hurricane standard output three liter if you guys remember
I had a rebel standard output three liter when they first came out and I did a test here on the podcast and I couldn't believe
How quiet how smooth how nice it drove. I didn't even know I had the standard output until I opened the hood
I wasn't sure what engine was in there. It's efficient
powerful quiet and there's some good deals to be had and obviously I've got some some ends over there
Of course, I've got a great dealership with my friend Jackson Ellis Ellis family stores in Glendale, California. So
That might be an option
So decisions decisions, what's the truck guy to do?
Let me know what you think by sending us an email truck show podcast at gmail.com or leave us a message on the five-star hotline
657 205 6105 and I'm curious. What do you guys think a truck that fits kind of those parameters?
Middle the road nicely equipped roomy for the family good mileage and range nice daily driver
It's gotta look cool, too. I don't want it. to look like a rental car
I want to be proud of something that I'm driving every day. It's just how I am
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The truck show we have the lifted lowered and everything in between
We'll talk about trucks that run on diesel
Electricity in our gasoline
The truck show the
It's the truck show with your host Holman
Yep, that's me and I want to welcome to the show
Chris Picconi so Chris is a guy
That knows the collector market for trucks inside and out especially classics and we had a fantastic
Fantastic conversation about collector vehicles. So without further ado
Welcome to the show
Chris Picconi. All right, I'd like to welcome to the truck show podcast Chris Picconi from classic four by four
And classic four by four.com. You may have seen him on such things as industry insights for the classic truck market
Or his podcast, which I I guess you're not doing anymore. Is that true? It is true. So thank you so much for for having me on the truck show podcast
Unfortunately after several great years of hosting the classic four by four podcast and also listening to the truck show podcast
and other
other
truck focused podcast
Unfortunately, uh, just the business got too busy classic four by four where I advise more
Represent the sale of collector trucks and four by four is for my clients
Just the the business got too busy and I and I don't need to tell you how much time
dedication it takes to
Not only just schedule and host and edit fine content
Publish and publish yeah
I mean even just doing like my photoshop, you know for doing the tiles that go up online and you think of all
You're the arc of everything involved in podcasting which starts from I have a hosting service and
I have whatever licensing and equipment that I have
Oh, and then I have to find people and then I have to record it and then I got to edit it
Edit it together and then I've got to put a description together
And then I got to go to my back end and I have to upload it
You know by the way uploading I do with the transcript. I got to do it with photos
I mean, there's a lot to it and right now
I'm just a one-man band. So, you know, it's a struggle, but I I still love doing it
I think if I didn't love doing it, I wouldn't be doing it anymore
And the good thing about hosting a podcast too is especially myself as a former podcast host
If we get to see the metrics on the back end and what people actually listen to
And the fact of the matter is, you know, yes, I had some amazing guests throughout, you know
The several years I hosted the podcast, but
Everybody was really listening to and I quickly realized what people wanted to hear from me is
About the collector trucks and 4x4 markets the trends what's hot what's not and so I'm still doing
Quarterly market update and outlook episodes and I'm posting those to youtube
So for all the listeners out there that are interested you can check out my youtube channel and and listen to those on a quarterly basis
So that's still out there just no longer doing
Bi-weekly and monthly interviews anymore
Well, we're gonna get into all that because the collector truck market is off the rails right now and some
In confusing ways and some in ways that you you totally get but first we got a play to jingle
So we talked a little bit about what you do, but
The the collector truck market so and correct me if I'm wrong. It seems like
The market had always been around
let's say Bel Air Chevy's and
Mustangs and Camaros and then it kind of really started growing around the muscle car era because
A lot of baby boomers who grew up with that as their high school car were able to go back
Then rustamodding really got into the picture rather than recreating the classics with oe parts or or saving survivors
and all of a sudden everybody's buying these hundred and 50000 dollar mustangs and then
Camaros and then the uh mopars
Came alive and and so was this cottage industry and they started buying up
All the cars and then all of a sudden the 67 to 72 Chevy's and the 67 to 72
Bumpside Ford's really started taking off along with broncos and blazers and
My feeling was because the muscle cars were gone
That era was like the because there's so much part sharing stuff of the same v8 engines rear wheel drive a lot of the same
transmissions
That was like the last place to affordably get that type of
muscle car driving experience from that era vehicle. Well, those things are drying up now and it seems like in the past
Year or two the things that are blowing up our square body Chevy's, you know
You're getting to the 80s and set land cruisers 70s or 60s and 80 series
and now most recently
Mid 80s to early 90s Toyota 4x4 pickups
I've seen some of them go on some of the auction sites for
Like 50 grand plus. I mean, let's let's talk about the craziness that's happening out there in the classic vehicle market
Well, so you actually
alluded to something that you hit the nail right on the head with is the biggest driver in the collector vehicle markets in general
Is generational change and you know back in my parents generation, you know
They like your european sports cars and those things, you know got really expensive and then they stopped
They lost interest or stopped collecting and and demand waned and now they got kind of cheap and then muscle cars
You know came into into play with the previous generation and now
You know interest is starting to wane and people are getting older and and those are starting to get cheap
but you know the the
Demographic right now that 35 to 55 demographic is what is purely driving the collector truck in 4x4 markets that generational change and
And we just saw an own what we you know saw
Looking out of our parent station wagons in the 70s and 80s and now that we have the ability to
We're getting into our prime earning years and we have that discretionary income
What are we buying collector trucks in 4x4 so that's that's really the biggest driver
behind the the segment because
The collector truck 4x4 segment is absolutely leading the collector vehicle market hands down no question
You literally cannot
Overstate the amount of that emotion has when it comes to to buying a collector vehicle or a classic vehicle
I mean it's it's what you remember it's the feeling you had it's the
Maybe the envy you had in high school of a friend who had a certain vehicle or good times
You had in the back of the pickup truck or somebody was at a truck show you see the mini trucks starting to come back
Even some of the survivors that were you know
Body dropped and had a pass through from the 90s. You'll see those pop up every once in a while
Vehicles that were just put together by some kids
Are now like coveted if they're original and you still have shops that are trying to replicate that vibe
From that era and you look at the square body Chevy's
And those things have really I mean obs forwards have kind of come on in maybe the past 10 years, but
The square body Chevy's in the in the later versions of those
Lately, I mean is it's it's crazy and then you start getting into the 90s trucks, which I think now are just
Sort of coming on because you can still get a really good deal on like a ram srt10 viper truck
And those things have been proven to be able to drive 100 to 150 thousand miles. No problem. They've actually been incredibly reliable
You look at Ford lightnings. You look at 454 s s's you look at night editions
Those like 90s trucks are are kind of like the leading edge of
What's coming into a classic that's still fairly affordable. You can still get deals out there. There's not the craziness around it
But man, you you get a uh, uh, you know
Let's say 86 Toyota 4x4
Or you get a Toyota 4x4 v6 extra cab
In really good condition under 50 000 miles and then you're starting to see
Like even if you did inflation for what that vehicle would cost today
What they're going for in the collector car market is insanity
It's supply and demand when there's limited supply and more demand prices are going to go up and and you actually
You hit the nail on the head with where I think the best value opportunities are, you know
Ford obs um have been you know trading at decent numbers for a while, but the gmt 400
gm
k1500 k2500s
You know, they're they they've been appreciating that definitely have been appreciating the past couple years
But I still see some value opportunity
Especially with the crew caps any crew cap
I'll drop right now is it's just absolutely on fire
But if you can find a gmt 400 crew cab, there's still value you can get that
You know somewhere in the in the 20s, you know low 20s whereas a comparable obs
Crew cab is going to be in the 50 60 100 grand
Especially if it's a diesel with under 100 100 000 miles. I mean those things you get a 73 power stroke truck
The last of the ob s forwards. That's what 95 67 right in there with the 97. Yeah last year
So f250 first or second year of power stroke under 100 000
I mean those things are going for new truck money all day long
But overall the the market does ebb and flow
I mean there are some soft spots in the collector vehicle market and there's some trucks that are
Absolutely bonkers right now right now action line. Yeah k5's k10 k20s
Which is 67 is 72
GM trucks are just
out of control right now at like absolutely out of control and
Like I can't even every time I bring one to market. They're just vapor gone
Vapor it's 353 to five calls through my insider list
Yeah, I don't want to use the word rolodex because sometimes, you know
Younger younger listeners may not know what a rolodex is but I'll run through some contacts and it's like three to five calls
And it's getting to the point where
I'm just going to bring them to market
And let the market decide because you know, why should I be deciding the pricing because I'm always low
Because the market's appreciating so quickly, but on the flip side
you know gen one broncos and
rest of world defenders rw defenders are a little soft right now and those are markets that got really
Over inflated. Yeah
You hit the nail right and it's saturated. They got saturated a few years ago
Especially during the covet craziness and when things pulled back in 2023
You know, they they pull back heavy and and supply is after demand
Well, and I don't want to offend any for bronco fans out there and I'm not an anti
Ford guy or anti bronco guy at all
They're they're great if you find a really clean roaster or one with uncut rear fenders
That is mostly original. You're going to get every bit of what it's worth right now
I think the the issue came
Price has got inflated because there are so many people jumped into the rest of mod
Uh, bronco thing and all the celebrities had to have one and so all of a sudden these things are 150 thousand dollars
Even with everything you could do to it the best suspension a coyote swap modern transmission
They still kind of drive like crap and they're still an old bronco
I mean you can get into some of the trucks with a modern like roaster shop frame or something
And it drives a lot like a modern vehicle
Broncos don't really I mean they're short wheelbase. They're really tall
They have a lot of you know, uh parts spin pieces that were fit together to push it out the door
They weren't made to be expensive vehicles
And because of that they just even when you take apart every piece of I've driven some of the most
Exclusively made highest quality broncos and I was like
This is really cool. It is not worth
The kind of money that is being asked for or what people are are paying
And then the other thing I'd say is one of the other vehicles that seems to be going insane right now
Land Cruiser 80 series. That's another one where all day long
250,000 miles runner was a 9 to 11 thousand dollar maybe 12 thousand dollar buy
And now if you can get a lexus lx 450, which is a little bit nicer
Uh a little bit better paint a little bit nicer leather
And it doesn't have some of the things like the you know, the non-working power seats or crack dash or things like that
And it has anywhere within a stone's throw of 100,000 miles
That's a 35 40 thousand dollar vehicle. I mean people are going crazy over those things and um
You know, I it's it's interesting to me. I look at the old land cruisers like the fj's like fj 45
Um, those were sort of the first ones to sort of get that real retro
You know, um, retro mod kind of thing done to them
I feel like those have gotten a little bit soft and also
Early jeeps I think are still of value. There's a lot of cj 5s and cj 7s out there
That if it's a common man package, you know, it's not like the golden eagle or Levi's edition or something kind of odd
Ball, I think there's still some deals out there flat vendors have gotten expensive
But I they're still not prohibitively. So when you look at the rest of the market
So, I mean there are those pockets of places you could grab a deal
If it's a vehicle that that you want to build or that you have an attachment to
And I'll I'll talk about uh, you know to address your your first comment with resto mods like, you know
You look at like there's nothing better than a gen one coyote swapped
Bronco or an LS swap defender like yeah, I was I had was out in LA shortly after I saw you at seaman
Not that long ago and I was ripping a client coyote swap
Investment quality gen one bronco up through the angelo estate forest like to those and it was amazing
But those are trucks that were trading a couple of years ago
250 350 000 which you can
Have in the mid hundreds right now. So value is always relative right, you know, if you if you look at it that way
But to address uh land cruisers and toyotas right now
Basically, it's pretty simple when it comes to toyotas if it is a petrol
left-hand drive
us spec toyota
with under a 100000 miles
I mean just all bets are off when it comes to numbers
Like every time I say full on gold mine moment, right? I mean I and I've seen them all over the place like you'll see
You'll see one and it doesn't matter if it's a land cruiser if it's a pickup truck if it's a forerunner
Whatever it is
If it's toyota, it's gas. It's us spec
I've seen them the same vehicle same era similar mileage similar quality
With like a 30 or 40 thousand dollars spread within weeks of each other on some of the auction sites
And I'm just like this this is crazy and then you see some of the high prices going for these things that were like, you know
Your your family like I don't want to throw away rig
But it was the one that wasn't too precious for you to take out and enjoy right?
But you have these survivors and the prices are like
You know, I think when they when somebody scores one they get the game show music going
Yeah, I mean up to the biggest score in the land cruiser market right now, which is
Every time I these one of these the hammer goes down on one of these
I am just flabbergasted and it's the
200 series land cruiser heritage editions. Oh, wow, which were like
The you know 2020 to 2022 years only the heritage editions when one of those things come to the market
With under 50,000 miles on it six figure territory all day long hands down. I mean that truck brand new
You know 56 years ago, you know, four to six years ago
What is it 85,000 our truck these things will do low six figures all day long. Um, but the key to the
To is on any any any it doesn't matter what it is any land cruiser us spec
Under a 100000 original miles is doing crazy. Whether it's an 80 series a hundred series a 200 series a 60 series
It's all doing
Mileage is everything for this. I yeah, I think toyota did themselves a disservice by
Recreating the new land cruiser off the proto and not in only having the real land cruiser be the lexus in the us
So there's that
Nostalgia and there's that wanting by the market that says I want a real toyota land cruiser
Well, those 200 series heritage editions were the last and best of the bunch, right?
They had all the accessories on I think they had a wheels a roof rack that the dark badging things like that and you know
They kind of said this is our farewell one. So I'm not surprised
You know toyota was in general especially 90s and I'll jump out a truck just for a minute because I
I had was following one of these for a friend for a little bit. It was blown away
a last generation 90s supra
Turbo 2jz car doesn't matter if it's automatic or manual manuals go for more
That car with 70 to 100,000 miles on it is a hundred and 20000 dollar car all day long
And if you get one with under 10,000 miles, that's an incredible condition
They're approaching like 200,000 for that car and JDM is kind of coming in strong any way right now
And the toyota is reaping the benefits on the 4x4 side of that because there isn't really another player in that space
Um in the truck space and I think people who can't afford the JDM cars are willing to take a shot at some of the JDM trucks
Yeah, I mean and I see that there's value there, especially the JDM stuff because right hand drive unfortunately like
You know 22 they're awesome. I love them
But that's you know, two of the other soft spots in the collector truck and for the markets right now
Which is two wheel drives are a little soft like the older, you know pre-mid 60s two-wheel drive stuff
And right hand drives were just so popular
Huge for a while during covid they were just so popular and they just the the market has just kind of
You know ebbed and flowed out of right hand, you know us americans
You know, we want our gas left hand drive
That we can go through the starbucks drive through and we don't have to reach over to the other side
But you actually
You brought up a good niche, uh, which I think is a great entry level collector
Truck or four by four, which is the CJ's right the CJ fives the sevens the CJ eights
They're always strong, but they're a great entry level
CJ fives there's not a ton upside, but you can get in them
Really really at a great number like i'm talking, you know 10 to 15 grand
CJ sevens are always going to be resilient and you can get really really really clean ones
In the 20 to 25 grand realm and if you love the the rare CJ eights, that's really clean ones can go
You know in the 30 to 50 grand realm, which is crazy as that sounds
You know under 50 grand in the collector truck and four. Yes, that's crazy
Is like under 50 grand in the collector in the present collector truck and four before markets is
Is a great entry level price point. Well, which is wild that we're even saying that
totally um
I think part of it with jeep is there's a lot of them and
There seems to be a more of an emotional connection to those because you probably were on your grandpa's property or something like that
Maybe it's the first car you ever drove because nobody cared if you you know ran it into a ditch or something or whatever, right?
They were super overbuilt for their size and price class at the time. They're very simple
They're easy to work on there's a cottage industry aftermarket surrounding all those jeeps five sevens eights
even flat fenders
And so
To me, you know, they kind of feel like that's steady
They're always just going to be solid
And but they never really had like that super performance version or that super rare other than a sticker and badge package
And maybe there are a couple things here and there
So the reality is is one is almost as good as the other, you know, maybe looking outside of like, oh
I want a v8 or power steering and power brakes and air conditioning
there there's not a lot of like
Functional difference between them all you sort of can get one
And once you have engine transmission figured out and you know, whether you want, you know
Some of the accessories winches or things like that or you wanted air conditioning, which is silly on an open top jeep
But you could get them back in the day
Those are the really the only things that kind of matter you can kind of make it your own
I'd say the downside of the jeep market and this is kind of goes into my next question for you is
The jeep market is full of people
That have modified over and again
And so it goes from grandpa to dad to son whatever and everybody has their
You know their own sensibilities about what the vehicle can be and now they went from 30s to
37s and coilovers and things like that when you're looking at the collector truck market
These vehicles are getting old enough now where they've legitimately passed through 234 generations of owners
What happens with some of the builds that are the
Sort of period builds like a Boyd Cottington 90s, you know drop Chevy
Or
Something somebody had through their family and it got built and repainted and rebuilt and repurposed into something each time
Is there something to be said for patina anymore? Is there something to be said for survivors anymore?
Does it matter that the car's gone through four personalities in its lifetime?
And maybe that's kept all the rust and stuff off it. What are your thoughts on the modification side of the collector market?
Yeah, it really depends on the the vehicle itself like, you know jeeps. We were talking about jeeps
So I'll talk about those like the more original a jeep is
The more value it's going to hold outside of rest of months, you know
Outside of rest of mods, you know an ls swap or the 4l 60 air conditioning decoded digital gauges
That's a whole different that's animal
But you know, if it's got the the 258 inline sticks, which is just I mean the most bold
Engine there ever was this thing's a run with no oil or zero compression forever
It's like the most wild like lifter ticks bottom end. It's like the gas version of a Cummins, you know
It just it doesn't care it just keeps running
It's the most wild thing, you know, but if you know a 258 into a p176
is like that's
It doesn't get better than that. All right, and and I will say
The more original the body is, you know fiberglass bodies don't do well
But if it's an original steel body that isn't rusted rotted out same goes through the frame
And the more original it is the more value it's going to bring to the table when it comes to jeeps
But like we'll talk about land rovers, right land rovers is a different animal
Land rovers the more original is the less value there is the more
Modified it is the more value it there is to it, you know, so that's because it was so crappy in the original form
Well, you said it I didn't
Land Rover guys are very gonna be very angry. I remember the first time I drove one
Was when the Defender 90 came to the us
It was a yellow one press fleet
And it had the old, you know gm derived v8 in it and I couldn't believe how bad the ergonomics were on it
And that the steering wheel was off center by a lot and it was like just you know
And some people will say British charm and I'll give you that
British charm is fun for your sunday driver
British charm is not fun
If it's something that you want to actually interact with on a daily basis and I'm I'm sure I'm gonna get all sorts of crap for
Saying that but uh, but it's the truth
But but you look at like jeeps
Are are they hold value
Being highly original because they're reliable
Well, the Land Rover's don't hold value because they're highly original because they aren't reliable and people want reliability
You know, whether it's a r28 common swap or an ls swap like
They do
They do well, so it really depends but at the end of the day, you know, when I when I'm talking to clients
And I'm working with buyers and sellers and and the one
Big theme that I really am hearing all the time right now is you know, we talked about rest of mods is people want to drive
a
Truck that looks old but drives new so modern powertrain air conditioning
four-wheel disc brakes four link suspension
You know power locks power windows just you know touch screen stereo stuff like that
People want the
Modern conveniences with the older look and and I think that's what's driving the rest the rest of mod market in general
Yeah, I would say that I agree with you and you know, I think people
Automotive technology in terms of you know creature features and comfort and capability and handling
Is so far above anything that was ever made back then people are so
You know used to or program to
Want that they just want it to look old and cool and so I definitely appreciate the rest of mods
I think there's there's like that seamless show level quality
Which is kind of I guess collector quality
But I like the ones that are drivers like the ones that people aren't afraid to take out and use and and get on the road and
Um, I I definitely really appreciate that kind of rest of mod build a lot
It's like if you're going to change it at least change it for the better
And I'm not an advocate of taking something that's nice and original or survivor and rest of modding it
But I am a a fan of taking something that is probably going to go to the junkyard because it's pretty far gone and
Investing it and making that vehicle don't steal from the point and I get it
There's the argument of oh, it's my money. It's my vehicle do whatever I want
But I feel like these vehicles will hopefully outlast us
So we're just stewards of them for the period of time that we have them in our lives
So you have to honor them correctly and you know, I feel like there's only such a small pool of the originals and survivors
I rather not have to see all that's left in the museum
I'd love to see some of those at the car show and and and be able to interact with them in the real world
So don't guys don't don't chop up all those
Do the ones that are wrecked or ruined or are destined for the scrap yard resurrect those bring those back into play
And I think that's a huge win for the, you know, a classic car industry
Well, you're you're a man after my own heart, uh, because that's actually I'm daily driving right now exactly what you said
Which is a 1980 international harvester traveler, which is the long wheelbase
the long wheelbase
Uh wagon version from 70, you know built from 76 to 80 1980 is the last year
But when I acquired this truck, I acquired it all original the body had been done
but it needed
Everything else and I got to the point where so Mike Cashman at Mount Zion off-road does all all the work on my
personal collection and Mike said, you know what Chris we got to rebuild this powertrain
Or do you just want to ls swap it and we made the decision actually to keep the original powertrain
Look at you
Hey, but listen what we did though. So we kept the original ih 345 big buck, you know v8
The torque flex 727 automatic trans
the data 44 um front and rear axles but
And the data 300 which is a one year only option
for the
For the scouts most of them had data 20s
But we chose instead of swapping it. We chose to rebuild it
But then add fuel introduction
four-wheel disc brakes
update the suspension
heavy-duty steering components so
On the facade
It looks like a pretty highly original truck
But when you're driving it you do have a lot more of those creature comforts too. Yeah, I with the originality. I'm totally down with that
I think uh, I think as you are telling the story the uh collective collector market
They want to thank you for not uh not
Completely ruining it and making it your own for the time you have it
So you bring up an interesting point and that's the scout market
And scouts have long been the bastard children of the uh collector car market mostly ignored mostly
Uncared for
Uh cool factor for those in the know
And it was almost like they had the their little scout world off to the side
Yeah, don't tell anybody about us because we're kind of doing our own thing and the vehicles are
Relatively affordable. Maybe the parts were a little bit more expensive because they're more more rare
But all of a sudden scouts making a comeback in the oe world
What has that done for the scout collector vehicles and that market because all of a sudden people are remembering
Oh
Scout that's right. My uh, my uncle my grandpa whoever they didn't have a bronco
That wasn't a blazer. That was something else a scout. I hadn't thought about that in years and now they're starting to pine about scout a little bit
So, you know, you you brought up a good point
Which is we'll talk about the bronco effect right and what that had on jen when broncos is you know ford brought about
You know
Re-re-conceptualized the old school bronco
It brought a lot of press to it that they launched as a vehicle and then it brought a lot of interest in the jen one broncos
and that was really the the
The biggest variable to rise of the rising tide in the jen one bronco
Markets a couple years ago and we're starting to see that
Bronco effect that we saw several years ago take place today with a scout effect where the average casual
Enthusiasts didn't even know what a scout was a year or two ago
And now every call I get from my clients is hey chris, you know what? I want to sell my
ROW rest of my defender or jen one bronco and I want to buy a k5 k10
um action line gm or scout right so like anything there's trends in the ebb and flow
But I think the scout market has a lot of legs. Um, we are gonna see
And interestingly enough scout, uh, Volkswagen group which owns the scout brand
Just delayed the launch of the new one from supposed to be 2027. It's gonna be 2028. Yeah
And that just gives the market more legs and gives the casual people don't want to wait, right?
Exactly
So, you know, I I think, you know, I've been daily driving one. I've had several scouts in my collection. They're good. I've been daily driving one
I know I bash years. Yeah, I know I bash the bronco early bronco build quality and things like that
I'm sorry. I still like them. I think they're cool as hell
I love them with coyote swap and they'll almost do wheel stands awesome
I drive a wrangler 392 I get what it's like to have short wheelbase and a lot of power fun
But the bronco early bronco build quality, especially on the early versions in the 60s just wasn't that great
Now you go over to scout scouts a little bit different scout build quality was actually pretty good because it wasn't made by a
Normal oe car manufacturer scouts were made by an agricultural
machinery company international
And they had to survive the rigors of being on the farm ranch and actually working
Yeah, I mean scout uh international primarily made midweight and heavyweight trucks
And then also farming implements stuff like that
But they made the light line trucks, you know starting with the scout 80 going into the scout 800
Going into the scout two and then eventually the the traveler and terra
and they discontinued those in 1980 and
Sadly enough there was some financial issues why they discontinued them
But the one big thing with scouts is and the biggest joke in the scout community is that they rolled off a line rusty
they
You know that that's the biggest they they so that must be the bodies though, right?
But the like the the componentry was solid
Even if the body fell off the frame around you
Oh hands down no question the powertrains like I in my scout. I still have the original wiring harness
It's all the you know, I have a 46 year old wiring harness
You know that and everything works every gauge every light everything
So the quality is definitely there the only downside with the scouts is the body is
What's better? They do have some russian rot issues in terms of russian rot
Is there a difference between the 80s and the scout twos where they was was one better or worse than the other?
Um, I think the scout twos the terrors and the travelers were a little worse than the scout 80s and 800s
But they were all still pretty rough
But you know if you're a jeep enthusiast you were you were used to that so it didn't really matter
Well, I'm coming I'm coming from the standpoint of the jeep side of the fence. So I'm thinking hey, that looks pretty good over there
Hey at the end of the day as far as the trends and the markets are concerned
There's an immense opportunity with scouts and I see those continue and to appreciate if you own one
You're going to do well if you're interested in buying one now's the time to buy
Because the market is going to continue to grow like you said
And appreciate with that quote unquote scout effect as they bring a new scout to market
So what are some other uh, you you mentioned a couple but if somebody was getting in right now
and let's say they had a
50 000 budget to buy anything and they weren't necessarily
They didn't really care what it was. It's more of an investment. I want to buy this vehicle and park it in my showroom or something like that
Where would you send them? What year range and what vehicles would be a good starter in for somebody's?
You know beginning with that kind of cash
So there's probably two and we already talked about one which is the jeeps. Um, you know a cj7 a cj8
It's a great entry level
You may not see a ton of appreciation in the future, but you're really not going to lose on them
You know, so i'd say a good clean cj7 cj8
Is a great entry level right now. Um, you know, again, you're not going to knock the cover off the ball
If you're looking to knock the cover off the ball
Square body chevys like square body gms and dent side
Dent side forts right now, you know, so just as much as the action lines have
Have really appreciated and even get an action line
GM or k5 or k10 or k20 below 50 grand that's clean is is
That's not realistic in this market, but a you can really get a dent side
For especially look for an f26 vind
f250 um highboy
You can still find some good clean high boys under 50 000. Um, I see an immense amount of opportunity there
But dent sides in general. Um, I see a lot of opportunity
Um and square bodies, you know square bodies had a long run square bodies ran
So square body square body chevys, you know ran for you almost three decades, right? That's a that's pretty long run
So early square bodies, I'd say like the you know, let's let's say like the
kind of
70
75 to you know the 75 to
77 78 realm
I still see some value there. Um, but where I see the most fine and most appreciation and I guess I guess
Yeah, I want to hear it
I would think that it would be the 89 range where you could get the kind of first round of fuel injected
Especially on the the three quarter tons. So 2500 454 fuel injected
It's a bourbon
Absolutely nailed it the second yet. Yo, you just absolutely out of like to all our listeners out there
We didn't discuss this. No, we didn't know like you absolutely you absolutely nailed
I by the way, I absolutely love the new music
but
You know the the late the late square bodies, which is really like
88 to 91
um, whether it's a k5 or so and
Though we call them the k5s the k10s in that period of time
Technically gm did change nomenclature from c and k which is the c is the two-wheel drive and the k is the four-wheel drive
To r and v so the 88 to the 91 is technically considered the r
Or the v the v being the four-wheel drive there are being the two-wheel drive, but enthusiasts
We still call them cage. Yeah, but the late where you got the the throttle body injected
front, uh, you know
disc brake abs
You know by that point air conditioning and power locks was pretty standard on most of the
Yeah, so like you have some creature comfort
So it looks older, but you do have the
And I had one of those in my collection that I bought on a whim a couple years ago at gaa
Just nobody was bidding on it
And ended up selling it for triple what I bought it for wow three years later
Yeah, and I still see an invention outside there. So the reason I mentioned that is I remember the very first time
Uh, it was eastern morning my grandparents who uh
Had a trailer group the towed in retirement around the country had an old suburban
And uh, they came and rolled into my parents driveway on eastern morning with a 1989 with a brand new
89 gmc not chevy. So it's fancy
white
2,500 suburban or 54
Fuel injected red velour triple bench interior loaded with power steering power brakes windows
Door locks, uh, did not have power mirrors because I had trailer towing mirrors on it
And then they had like the the long aluminum running boards on it
And that vehicle
Became a part of my life for a long time
Whether it was my grandparents volunteering field trips because they get fit 400 kids in there
Or you know, my grandpa and I going somewhere with it or him
I'm me needing to tow a project vehicle to sima and him giving me the keys to suburban
Because it was the only thing in the family that could do it and I never forget things I love about that truck
So as long as we're reminiscing here
It got 10 miles per gallon empty and it got 10 miles per gallon towing. It did not care
It just got 10 miles per gallon. I would go in the city. I would drive on the highway
I would put a trailer behind it. It was always the same no matter what that was amazing to me
And or within, you know, one mile per gallon
And the other thing was that tiny skinny over boosted steering wheel
And that big flat hood that looked like it could be a helicopter landing pad
And I remember you take that thing and you would this was a two wheel drive
So a road real soft and you would drive it down 15
Two fingers on the steering wheel
And it would just sort of like float and bob down the road. You need to pass somebody
No problem. You hear that uh that four. I don't know what it was probably uh, is it a I don't even think it was a 4l
A 4l back then I try to remember what that would have been. I guess it was a hydrogen probably a 700 700 r4
Becoming the 4l 60. Yeah, okay. So so 700 r4 and then it would do that typical like big gm
You know kick down and and you don't be off to the races and then
They shift back into uh, you know high gear and you just loaf back down along the road, right? It was just
There's something that that everybody has their memory with their grandpa or with their their their dad or their uncle or somebody
To me that's one of my favorite ones is that truck reminds me of a very specific point in time in my life
Um and I can still remember
The squishy brakes and I can tell I could still hear a 454 with tbi firing up to this day
And I can tell you what that is and then you hear the fan, especially when the uh, the clutch, um
Uh, the viscous clutch
For the fan when it starts wearing out in the fan like roars to life
You can hear all that air coming through the radiator and all I just those things are just cool
And I remember a grandpa telling me one day
That uh, hey, how's your trip? He goes. Yeah, he got hot. I'm like, well, how hot did he get he goes?
Oh, it's seized. I'm like, what do you mean it's seized? He said the engine just died on the side of the road and
I go, what'd you do? He goes? Oh, I just waited a while cool down. I started up. We finished our trip
I'm like, well, how how long is oh the whole thing we went a couple thousand more miles. I just changed the oil
What?
I mean
And that is what's driving the collector truck market right now is the fact that if you found that exact truck out in the market
Stay all that all that reminiscing would come back and you'd pay every dollar you could possibly find. Absolutely
Absolutely
Oh, I mean, I there are great trucks. I mean, I I'm just I'm a big jam fan in general
You know outside of jeeps, uh, you know the other
I guess I've had a lot of jams in my in my collection. I love them
You know, I wish I had more fords in my my personal collection
But I get the I get to represent the sale of a lot for clients. Um, which is fun. I'm just
I've always been a GM guy. I don't know why I always get
I was a Ford guy until I got an automotive journalism
And I didn't become an anybody guy because you sure like
They're all great and they all have their flaws and all that goes it goes away
So one of the things that I think is funny is even to this day
I'll hop in an OBS Ford and you forget how small they are like you're so used to today's f-150 and super duty
And there's such big trucks and you get into an OBS Ford and it almost I mean, it's a little bit bigger than a midsize
But it's but it's not much and today's Colorado Canyon
Is not that far off from a GMT 400 in size, right? I mean, it's it's crazy
How these vehicles have evolved but I'll get inside an OBS Ford and you kind of like look around and you're like, oh, yeah
I forgot how tight these things are
I mean the modern
Trucks, I mean you get into these things and like just
Between the the distance between the the driver's seat and the passenger seat is insane. The width has just gotten
Out of control. You know, it's cool. The the OBS Ford's though is the length
I don't think we'll ever see that length anymore. You know an f 350 crew cab
Oh, man, I don't think we'll ever see something that long ever again in a passenger vehicle
But you know, but the width is a great just vehicles in general have just gotten
I remember a friend of mine his uh, his dad had one of those a white one
And I remember watching that thing through like the car line at school
And you're like
Man, how does he get it through the parking lot? You know, it's just like turning a you know, battleship or something like that
I mean, they're massive
Absolutely huge trucks, man, but they're great trucks, uh, but you know, that's where the opportunity is is is the OBS stuff
The early 90s stuff
GMT 400s like that next gen they go back to the generational change and and what drives the collector vehicle markets
Especially the truck and four by four markets is the next generation
Their classic vehicle is was built in the late 90s to early 2000s. So right question is what's the vehicle?
What's the next where are we going? What do you see on the horizon for the next?
desirable classic truck
There uh, GMT 800s definitely, you know, by the way, I will say GMT 800 might be the best built GM
GM truck ever
It is the perfect mix of comfort modern
But the build quality was really good and those trucks seem to be
Incredibly reliable. I like them better than the GMT 900s and they were such a nice step up from the 400s to me
a GMT 800 is really the sweet spot in the history of GM trucks at least as we're as
We sit here today
Once you passed the OBS years so 1997 and further out with fords for it's got a little weird
You had the Triton. Yeah, you know some really weird designs at that point
So I really think GM did a better job in that period of time and that like late 90s through
You know mid to late 2000s, especially with the GMT 800s and and dare I say this
I might get crucified for the cat eyes the GM cat eyes, right? I mean there might be opportunity there for me
It's a boo, but it's funny
I talked to some of my friends kids and they love the cat eyes and I thought when they came out they looked stupid
I was like that's dumb
And but I don't know if it's because they're distinctive. They're a little bit weird
They look okay slammed. I don't know what the answer is but I have seen a lot of younger guys that are probably in their
16 18 20 year old or like, oh dude cat eyes Chevy super cool. You're like
But that's what they saw growing up and it's I was just talking to my uh, you talk about that age demographic
I was just talking to my godson and he's about to turn 17 and get his license
And I was like, hey, man, like what are you thinking? And he's like, you know what? I really want on Chris
he's like I want to
I want a Tacoma, but I want like a you know, like a like a fifth or sixth generation
Tacoma like something in like the mid 2000s. Like I was like really of all kind of money kid
Yeah, well that's why I don't think he realized I was like well like with how many miles?
He's like, you know, I'd like a four-wheel drive to coma like, you know
A trd off-road that's like a $25,000 truck at 100,000 miles all day long
Well, it is but I think he thought you could get it for like six to seven grand, which doesn't
Well, here's the thing that's interesting about those trucks. So
You know, I always tell people and we've talked about on the show
We've spent a lot of time talking about Nissan frontiers and exteras and when you look at that market
The Nissan was arguably a better built vehicle at the time
In terms of the Toyota has a c-channel rear frame the frontiers fully box the Toyota had rear drum brakes
The Nissan had rear disc brakes the Nissan had the four-liter v6
And the I think the better transmission at the time
But they didn't build as many of them. So you go back in history and you go, you know what? Everybody love the Toyota
They're living off of the Toyota reliability. They're a great truck. There's no doubt about it
But they're so overpriced. I always tell people go find yourself an extera or
A frontier because it's in the same class. It's a pier and they're
They were cheaper and they didn't build as many. Whoa, was I wrong?
You look at those in the secondary market now and they're almost as expensive as the Toyotas
And if you can find a Nissan extera off-road with low miles
Those are impossible to find and they're every bit the dollars that a forerunner of that era is and that's because I think people
Who buy in the first market are different than people buy in the secondary market
And the secondary market has a little bit more research behind them because they know, oh, what's the maintenance cost?
What's the reliability? What's all this and they look at those vehicles different and the secondary market has really been kind to
The Nissan frontier and Nissan extera of that generation and they're a great beginner vehicle
Reliable plenty of power way overbuilt because they shared the F alpha platform with the Titan
And in my opinion a better driving I think and in some ways a better truck
Maybe not quite the Toyota quality
But definitely you're not taking a flyer on one of those
They're great vehicles and I think they show in the secondary market because they're they've gotten pretty pricey in the last few years
especially for the oh, you know, it's basically the 05 to
20 or something like that, but kind of those mid like
Body on white was sort of the same throughout the little bit styling updates, but you look at that like late
you know 2000s
It's crazy the type of money a mid-sized four-wheel drive Japanese pickup truck is commanding
Even go a generation earlier than that with the hard body sons
Yeah, all the hard body and they're coming up right now. I mean, whether it's the pickups or the
Or the pathfinders they were a really weird styling
Yeah, they had like the handle on the sea pillar where the door was yeah
And the front of them looked like they just like ran straight into a wall and like we're flattened out
But I gotta tell you I'm starting to see those things run up right now, especially the pathfinders again with low mileage
But talk about like the modern Toyota's versus Nissan's like and I will preface this statement by saying
I am through and throughout a Toyota guy. I'm on my
11th TRD pro that I'm driving right now as well as my other daily driver
Like I'm they're great throughout you you can already pros if you've got the money and you can't go wrong
And I've had them all tundra's four runners. I'm in a sequoia TRD pro with TRD performance pack right now
I mean, I mean, it's just amazing, right? But
The frontier pro 4x
is an amazing amazing vehicle and
I can't believe I'm about to say this
But if I had if you gave me the choice between a brand new front frontier pro 4x
Or a brand new to come a TRD pro. I'm going with the Nissan pro 4x. I'm gonna be honest
I'm not super impressed with the new toyotas. I think they're kind of a caricature of themselves. I think
When you there's some weird body lines and they look kind of weird with the way the tumble home is more upright
On them when they go down the road and in the cheaper ones have a really bad wheel and tire package
They don't look cool until you get to the higher trims with the right wheel and tire package
I just don't like that
You know the higher trims the you know trail hunter the TRD pros force you into the hybrid
When driving the manual turbo 4 without the hybrid is a way better experience
But and I just don't love the interiors. I feel like they kind of look like Legos
Like it's just not integrated doesn't look particularly
Modern in a good way. It just looks like a bunch of things got kind of pieced together. Oh, this looks rough and tumble
But the Tacoma buyer doesn't necessarily demand that because if you look at the interiors for the past toyotas
None of them have that in it. I feel like they lost the trail a little bit in this redesign and
You know
I don't hate them. I but I'm just not in love with them and you sit in a Nissan frontier interior
It's great and the truck looks great, you know
Toyota's got a leg up on you know wheel travel and probably suspension
But there's some things like the new roush edition which gives it a lift and in bigger tires
Which helps out a lot and I know Nissan is
actively pursuing something to compete with the TRD pro side
But you look at it in
It's to me. It's just such an underrated pickup truck and it may not be the right thing for everybody, but
Man that mid-sized uh truck market was dead
You know 12 15 years ago and now everybody has to have a mid-sized truck and it's it's absolutely insane
The competition and really everybody within the last few years has completely redesigned everything that's in that market
So for the first time in a long time all of the mid-sized trucks are current
And the sleeper in that mid-size the new recurrence of mid-sized trucks
Is by far the Ford Maverick the fact that you can get a crew
Pab that gets 40 plus miles to the gallon like and
Interesting that my my neighbor
Um, I saw just brought this one home. It was a Maverick tremor edition. Which I was like
Package
Yeah, the Mavericks they don't have great eyes. They're very functional. They're they work
But once you add the tremor package on I was like, wow, this thing's got eyes and it still gets 40 miles to the gallon
Yeah, they took some of the stuff out of the the bronco sport like the rear drive unit and some of the off-road bits and made it a little bit better
I love the lobo. I'll tell you the lobo Maverick is badass and I guarantee you there's one coming up
Soon with more than 250 horsepower because Ford had one at SEMA with their sort of Ford accessory
Like idea of what what one would look like and I think they're gonna push hard for what they did
I wanted to hate the Maverick as just a small ridgeline
And or or a more, you know, American-style, you know, Santa Cruz
But the reality is is I can't hate that truck
Um, you know, is it unibody? Yeah, I'm I don't love that but for what it is
If you need a fuel efficient vehicle, but you need a little bit of truck capability
Not not a lot. Maybe it's your mountain bikes. Maybe it's a dirt bike. Maybe it's home depot runs
Maybe it's your surfboard and your wetsuit in a dirty cargo space kind of a thing
Or you have a small business and you need truck bed space
It's it's really hard to beat. It's comfortable
And the thing I've said this on the podcast before the thing about the Maverick is it was designed to be a cheap vehicle
And it's unapologetically an affordable vehicle
It does you don't feel like you've gotten into one and they decontented the crap out of like
F-150 XL is like trash you get in one of those and every button blank is covered
There's like things missing and it just it feels like they gave you half a truck to get in the Maverick
It doesn't feel like that. Like it's funky. It's got like geometric shapes on like some of the trim
It's got the plastics are kind of and they're just they're like, hey
We're affordable and we're gonna have fun with it and that's okay. And I appreciate that
I appreciate that doesn't feel decontented to meet its price point
And it's a great driving vehicle and as much as I want to hate it and be like
No, that's not a truck. I have to tell you for the right customer. It makes a lot of sense and I've driven them
I've loaded them at full payload and I'm like, I still don't hate it
it's four did a really good job reinventing that entry level truck space and uh,
I got handed to him because I was the number one guy saying no, this is this is dumb and ford proved me wrong
I'll I'll take my lumps on that
Hey, and I I agree
It's a lot of truck for the money and it presents a lot more value opportunity than a Tacoma does or
Um or colorado, but you want to know it's what's you know back to the collector truck markets
One that people are probably going to fall over when I mention this that is getting wild value wise is ford rangers
Which era
So the earlier the better and four-wheel drive, right? The earlier the better
But I those things were like two or three years ago. We're like
$300 throw away truck. Yeah, if they're clean a good clean ford ranger
Especially v6 four-wheel drive because a lot of them were four-cylinder two-wheel drive. Yep, but v6 four-wheel drive
Um is coming up and it's coming off big right now
And even the later generation
I was just in a client's collection a couple weeks ago
And he's like, oh look what I just picked up and it was I don't know if you remember this
Do you remember the step side splashages? I owned addition
No way I had a 94 splash four-liter v6 automatic a4 ld
With 31s it had the deer the deer hoof wheels on it
Ttb truck four-wheel drive and I had it was black
I took all the splash graphics off of it because I thought they're dumb
I put the later 98 style grill on it
Which I liked better because the ford was in the center and not up high like it was on my 94
and
Um, I ended up doing like uh, I think I did
Maybe 32 I think they did 33s on it
Uh, I did a couple things here and there but mine had the sport seats
And those trucks with the sports seats were like the seats out of the Mustang with like the adjustable
Um leg support that came out and you could get the adjustable lumbar on them
That truck was so cool. I that
That was the first uh vehicle that I bought for myself with my own money
And I love that truck. Absolutely love it. So when you talk rangers, I've owned a few of them in my day
I that was the high school truck when I was growing up my aunt and uncle had a couple for the ranch
So I I get the ranger and uh, I love them dearly
I the last time I saw a step side splash edition was like my high school gym teacher drove one in like 1997
I hadn't seen one until a couple weeks ago or Baywatch go watch Baywatch reruns from that era and they have the yellow ones with the Baywatch
lifeguard truck. Yeah
But I mean, it's wild that rangers are are coming up and in the collector vehicle market and there's there's an s tens, right?
The title the typhoons. Yeah. Well, okay. So that's gonna be my next question
I was gonna give you
I was gonna give you some vehicles. I mentioned earlier, but I want to know where they stand now. So typhoon cyclone
454 ss
Ford lightning
Ram srt 10
Those are sort of like the hot rod trucks from the oes of their individual respective eras
Where do they stand in the collector car market today? Are they softening? Are they growing? Are they good investment? Give me a
Give me some insight into the oe sport truck
so the
454 s
Which were on the gmt 400 platform are they're always gonna be popular. They're you know, everybody love them
The and and there's there's upside there
Where I see the most upside is typhoons and cyclones on those on the s 10 blazers and pickups the typhoons and cyclones
If you can find because a lot of those things were really ridden hard. Oh, yeah
Yeah
No, so when you can find those things clean
Especially the later years where they had white in red and burgundy
where there is
miniscule production numbers on the non-black ones also
And the srt 10s, um, you know, and and I'll also talk about the grant, you know, the grand Cherokee srt
Which came out in 06 and and the
Dodge ram srt 10s, they're not there yet
Because they're a little bit older of a generation in comparison to the cyclones and the typhoons and and the 454 worse
but the the one where I I had this in high school and I think I see
This gonna be one of the trucks that pops is do you remember the blazer the two-door blazer?
ZR
ZR 2s. Yes, the lifted ones. Yes s 10 blazers
ZR 2 and you could get either the pickup truck
Which was extended cab only or the suv version which was a two-door blazer that had a little triangular window on it
And they actually rode on their own chassis separate from the other ones because you can get bfg 30
31 inch tires on them and they had their the bilstein shocks and they had a wide
Suspension wide track and so they had a different chassis. That's why they had those big fender flares over them
So those were one of the very first like comprehensive off-road packages from the
automakers
And I if I would say if I could find one of those right now
I I think they're completely undervalued and can create an immense amount of opportunity clean low mileage is the key
Um, and especially especially post 1981 where you have standardized 17 digit bins the cleaner the lower mileage
You know the lower the the documented mileage the better the more value it's going to be
But if I could find one of those like late 90s ZR 2
s 10 two-door blazers like or the the pickups
I think I think that's a truck you could pick up good and clean for like 345 grand right now that in a couple years
Could be a 35000 dollar truck easy
Well, I'm happy to hear that you said the srt tens are undervalued because I've got some history with that truck
I love those things and if there's one modern
Classic that I could have in my garage would be that truck those things were special
Um, they had a you know, 48 inch long shifter on them because they were you sat up so tall
Um, I knew the chief engineer. We've had them on the podcast a long long time ago
But I've got a lot of fond memories in in that truck in particular
And the lightings are always cool. I actually like the non superchar 351 with the gt 40 heads
The old the old obs lightings. They weren't as fast, but they were just cool, especially
If you got them in no, I like red. I like red vehicles. I think those ones are super rad
Um, but it's nice to know that some of those there's there's still a chance
There's still a chance they get a hold of one of those and it's funny
I'll run across like I said before an srt 10 ram and I'll be shocked at at
Where it sits price wise and it's like
You can almost afford one of those, you know, and uh, it's it's crossed my mind a few times, although
Uh, my wife would be mad because she told me because of all the different cars and crap that I own
She basically said listen
The next thing that you get is it was what I want and she goes if you find one
You can just spend the money and you don't even have to ask me and she wants to uh, a Honda hatchy
Like an 89
You civic awesome and she's like
And she wants with a stick
And I'm like, let's give one with a b18, you know swapping it or something like that and and or a crx of that era
CRX s side she's no
I want a hatchy
And so that I am I'm basically have been told
blank check no questions asked
Bring home a hatchy and we're good. So at some point when I get
The right opportunity or the the enough money in the bank account
That's gonna show up in the driveway and she's gonna abscond with the keys and I will never see it and that's gonna be okay
That's uh, that's I so that's not my world, but I happen to when that time comes
I happen to know somebody there's a another expert broker
Which I do a lot of business with and and we uh share a lot of clients and he specializes in non jdm japanese stuff
and in his personal collection he has
Everything you just you just
The Hondas that you just, you know
Uh listed off he has all of those in his personal collection with like no miles
No miles on it like you know, it's even crazier. He just picked up a samurai
Right. Do you remember the Suzuki samurai so great with 7 000 original miles?
He called me he called me a couple weeks ago
And he's like so I live in Charleston, South Carolina in the winters and coast of New Jersey in the in the summers
And he called me a couple weeks ago. And he's like chris. I found a 7 000 mile Suzuki samurai
1987 Suzuki samurai this thing is too good to be true. It's in Charleston. Will you go put eyes on it?
Just yes, yes, I will
I I drove over there 10 minutes later met the owner original owner
What was the story? Why was it just like the vacation car?
So no it actually this is I love you know trucks that have stories or oh totally have stories
So this guy is a collector. Um, he's a local collector here in Charleston, South Carolina owns a very successful building
business that has a huge building where he could pack it with
His collection and a very eclectic collection everything from like right hand drive of jdm
iron pig 50 series Land Cruiser fire trucks to like, you know, like to like
It could just crazy stuff, but he had purchased this vehicle
His daughter is about my age in her mid 40s. And when she was younger, she was really into like ultra light
like midget spritz boats
So they were traveling all over to go to these races
And he wanted something cool that kind of was along along the same lines as the boat to pull it with
And he bought in 1987 a Suzuki samurai. They drove it to just pull this little like sprint
ultralight
boat around races on the weekends and then eventually
She lost interest wasn't racing anymore
And he kind of parked it in his collection had it taken care of and has had it from 1987 until
January 2026 where uh, I went looked at it put eyes on it and another expert broker
I know just just picked it up and wow and is enjoying it in his collection. That is so cool. Those sammies are awesome
They they got a bad rap through the you know, whole rollover thing. They didn't deserve the rap they got
They're highly coveted in the off-road world
Especially for people who find the the clapped out ones and they build the rock buggies out of them and stuff like that and
I remember one time there was uh
Top or no as four wheeler
Club challenge. I can't remember what we called it was like the club version of uh real truck club challenge. It was the uh
Like daily driver kind of version of top truck challenge
And one of my first events out in attica indiana as a journalist working for four wheeler
I was shooting the samurai and I got this great photo of it up on two wheels right in front of me
and I'm click
Somebody grabs me pulls me back in the car
Land sideways right where I was and I was the first lesson
I learned of not bearing your eye in the lens and being aware of what's around you because in the lens
Great got some great shots right before it almost smashed me into a pancake. So uh,
But that's one just one of my many samurai stories over the years, but those things are cool
Yeah, they're uh, they're cool and again. They were they were ridden hard. They were modified. They were put away wet
So to find something
Low mileage in such good condition. I understand why he called me to go put eyes on it
Yeah, I wouldn't if I didn't look at it and
Walk around it. I wouldn't have thought it was real either. Yeah, but
There's stuff out there buried in collections all over the the country and now the world that
You would be surprised to exist
Well, chris, this has been awesome. Where can people find you if they're looking for broker services or they need some, uh
Um insights on the market things like that. Let the let the people know where to find you
Hey, visit classic 4x4.com. So it's classic the number 4x the number 4.com
Um, I I specialize in advising marketing and representing the sale of collector trucks and 4x4
so if you have a
A collector truck or 4x4
Whether you have one in your garage or a full collection
And you want somebody to handle every aspect of the sale from valuation of final sale and everything in between
To make sure that you're getting the most money you possibly can
With the least amount of hassle
Feel free to reach out and if you're interested in my market insights, uh, though the podcast, uh, I've wrapped
Because i'm so busy with the business and my clients which is a good thing and representing their drugs
Yeah, but I can't wait to get so busy where I don't have to podcast anymore. Sorry guys
But we need great members of the community like yourself to continue these things on um, but uh,
Check out the classic 4x4 youtube channel
I will be posting quarterly updates, uh market updates where I'll be reviewing the past quarter over the past year
um, and uh
Also checking out the outlook and discussing the outlook of the collector truck and 4x4 markets
So you can check those out on youtube and you can check it out. There's also a tab on my website, uh at classic 4x4.com
Well, we love it would love to have you come back and and keep talking about this stuff
So stay in touch if there's anything in the market that's uh
Worth talking about or interesting or changes or uh, maybe we have some questions for you
But uh, we'd love to have you back on and just really appreciate your time
It's these are the best kinds of conversations because it's just two truck guys talking about trucks and i'm sure
You know people listening are going. Yeah. Yeah, you know, it's it's just it's awesome. I really appreciate it
On it's always great seeing you when we get to cross paths of sema every year
And it's always great talking to you and and I thank you so much for having me on the podcast today
Well, let's do it again soon
Thank you
Thank you to chris. That's one of my favorite interviews of late because like I said
It's just a couple of guys talking trucks for an hour my favorite thing to do
Let me know what you think and if you'd love for chris to come back more often
Let me know that too or if you've got specific questions for him. Happy to pass them along
All right, it looks like the answering machine light is blinking
So let's check in with the five star hotline before we say goodbye
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Hey elvin, it's kevin from texas currently. I'm in arizona driving from phoenix
Down to Tucson
Went through the rental car company and got myself a 25 four-door rubicon
Now it's gonna be a truck review
Tell us all about your truck
Is it great or does it suck?
Before I buy I need a clue
You
Okay, so I haven't driven a Jeep that's my 97 tj
The 35 inch tires four banger five speed
456 years
Uh, that was my last experience in a Jeep and I can tell you like right now. I dropped a three-quarter time
Uh, shetty duramax and I tell you this jeep drive so much better than that
it's
Probably a little bit louder in the cab than my truck is
It's got plenty of tough and go probably not like your v8 but darn it has so much
It's comfortable
All the accoutrements
The accoutrements that you will need accoutrements here
Uh, all the parameters right are all mounted
It's a great vehicle
I don't know what I've been missing. I think that if I ever need
You know a port utility vehicle or something like that, man
I really think I would consider getting back into a jeep. I just forgot
How much darn fun
These things are
Um, it's really cool. Okay
Outside, no homing. I'm glad you're still with us, brother
Um, see a bunch of throbbing you're doing good
Well, we can all look at you and the adversity that you faced and you can put that back in our lives
Um, man. Hey five stars. Keep it going. Oh, I'll act your way to brother
And that's the uh you review from texas. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it
Yeah, I mean the jeeps are are so much fun to drive. In fact, we should have
Lighting on because his wife just got one because she wanted something fun
And so now he's asking me all the questions. What do we do it now?
But the thing is is if you haven't been in one, they're really refined
And they ride great for being on solid axles. The capability is unbelievable, but just even you know for us here in california
I can go down pch pop the top roll down the windows and it's just fun
It's got this upright seating position good visibility
Sunshineing in wind in your hair over my case my beard and it's just super enjoyable. So I'm I appreciate
Your review of the of the jeep. I love when you guys call in the show and do reviews
I think that is so awesome. So I really appreciate it and I'm going to give you five stars for that review
Congratulations. You have earned five stars
Hey, was there somebody who made a backup camera?
say like from five or six different positions
so
That an interface could be
Developed to lead you
To be able to back up right to the hitch
And thank you very much
Steve Hayes ginger arcan sauce. Hey steve. Thanks for your question
I believe it's chevy that has that as an option on their silver autos with the different views
Can't remember if ram or ford have that one of them does or maybe they all do know
There's also a company out there that
Makes backup camera systems that are pretty flexible. So I would look a gen tax is one of those
I'm not sure how far they've gotten. I know they were
Doing some aftermarket camera systems, but there's a lot of options out there
Maybe not exactly the way that you envision it, but but probably pretty close morphen
As a grant calling from iowa. I haven't called in for a while, but then I found myself in a truck related tickle that I need your
extensive wisdom on so
Last week. I decided to take a nap
While going down a gravel road in my truck
I'm fine, but as you kind of I kind of just ease her in the ditch and my side curtain airbags went off
That is literally the only thing that happened the front didn't deploy. No other damage that I can see
Um, but I mean they never even quit running. I drove her to the body shop and just got the estimate back
It's going to be 16,000 to repair it. You know headliners side curtain airbags
I guess I've got to pop the windshield out to do it on this
2017 ram of mine
So basically my question is
I mean they're only going to give me 15,000 if I decide to pound it
But you know in order to buy something, you know, maybe a little bit nicer and that sort of used truck space of a
2017 or newer ram. I mean you're looking at another
15 to 20 to 25 thousand dollars on top of what they're giving me to replace it
So I guess my question is is it worth fixing? I mean this thing I've had for five years now. It's got no rust
135,000 miles. I mean it was a great farm truck. It's got the long bed. I love that about it
and I'm just not I'm fine. There's plenty of ram trucks out there that would be suitable, but
You know, is it is it worth showing out that much money or just repairing the one that I got? So
Uh, being interested to know what your take is on all that and yeah, look forward to hearing your answer
Keep up the good work. Thanks
Well, uh, that's a tough one. Is it a 1500 or is it a
2500 or 3500 that probably makes a difference, especially the engine
If it's one of the older diesels that you have
I would probably say that's probably not a bad one to repair
Because it's so expensive. You can do a new diesel plus all the after treatment. If it's a gas truck
Maybe it's your opportunity now to get you another truck that'll give you another, you know, 135,000 plus miles on it
And the new ones do have lane keep assist. So they'll keep you out of the ditch if you decide to take a uh, a road nap
That's a tough one. Uh, I can't believe it's that expensive. I mean, maybe it is to me
I would have thought maybe five grand
But I guess I don't know how much the modules are. I would get a second opinion first
So typically the way insurance works is they'll tell you, uh, where to go like, hey, we have these certified shops
But you can take it to wherever you want to go
I would if you haven't done it already, I'm assuming maybe you haven't
We'll take it to an independent if you take him to the dealer or vice versa
And just see what the repair cost estimates will be
You may find yourself being able to get a couple grand lower than that
But uh, that man, that's a tough one
I would have to know more about your situation to uh, to to tell you one way or the other
I think I would probably say
Start with a new one if you can afford it or a newer one. Um, get some miles out of it
And uh, you don't have to worry about any hidden damage
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