[S8, E7] What Car Should I Buy? 991.1 GT3, Vantage, Supra?
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I'm Sam from the YouTube channel SeemToGlass.
I'm Tony from Gravelwood Castells, and you can watch us each week.
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What Car Should I Buy?
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What car should I buy?
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Do it all right?
Yeah, well, clearly.
Last week you didn't have any money.
No, you lost me, right?
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It's an example.
Jake from Derby.
So we have a whole load because we've been asking this for a while, but this comes off the fact that Tony and I do get these emails, these DMs.
All the while.
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So we just want to jump into it.
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I'm going to need it to read these inquiries and we're going to kickstart straight away with a very behind the glass appropriate question.
This comes from Costa Cal.
Okay, Costa question from behind the glass podcast.
Hi, Sam and Tony.
Love your podcast.
I'm from Seattle, Washington, USA.
Nice.
I'm looking at a 991.1 GT3 at around $130,000.
So I got 100,000 pounds.
Is that an equivalent value here?
991.1?
Yeah.
How many dollars?
100,000 pounds.
Yes, about right.
Sterling.
Yeah, pounds.
Yeah, yeah.
Pounds sterling.
Yeah, yeah.
They don't have pound dollars, do they?
No, no, no.
Well, just check it, mate.
100,000.
I'm wondering what you guys think the value of these cars will be down the line for five, ten years.
And if it's purchased, would you consider at that price will the car's reputation be hurt by its engine issues?
I recently passed on a .1 GT3 with 55,000 miles and replaced the G6 engine.
Now he's lost me a bit at 100,000 pounds because I think that's what the car is worth.
Oh, he's gone a bit crazy.
991.2 GT3 is out of my price range.
Are there any alternatives for 90 to 100,000 pounds?
AMG GTR.
Okay, so slow down for a second.
Let's dive into this.
I literally can fire anything off the engine at this point.
Okay, no, no.
Answer the first question.
Right.
Three, five, ten years for a 991.1 GT3, value-wise.
That's like a 2014 car.
Yes, yeah.
Be fine.
Just crap engine though.
The problem is, wait, you're so annoying today.
We're doing a podcast.
This is not me calling you for advice mid-week for three minutes.
Right.
Have I got to drag this out?
Well, you just have to.
What's good?
I'm not even asked questions, am I?
No, no, no, no.
It's not a value way.
It's like, you'll be fine.
What do you mean by that?
Fine in what sense?
Is it going to go up in value?
Is it going to go down in value?
Is it going to hold value?
You've got to say, it will be fine.
What does that mean?
Yeah, because it'll be fine.
And then your last and next question and I'll tell you why.
No, no.
Well, I'm asking the question right now.
Are you?
I feel like you've forgotten how to podcast.
You know what?
You've just turned up.
I'm like, so tell me, what do you think will happen?
It'll be fine.
Yeah, it'll be all right.
Cool.
What do you mean next week, guys?
Thanks so much.
Why is sitting back in the studio made you completely forgotten how to do this?
I can't like the car.
I can't like the escar.
Clearly.
Three, five, ten years.
What do you think will happen to the value of a 991.GT3 in that period of time?
It will be very stable.
Okay.
So you don't think it's going to go necessarily up or down?
It will sit fairly rock solid.
Yeah.
And the reason that I reason why I think this is because of the price of the dot two car,
which is not too far away.
20 in our country is like 20,000, 20,000, 25,000 quid.
What's the so that so 901.2 is around 130 grand for a wind car?
Oh, wow.
Yeah.
Like one, one 20, one 25, depending on mileage as well.
Obviously this is these are all mileage dependent and spec dependent.
Porsche, a special GT product Porsche, very spec dependent, isn't it?
Yeah.
You'll always pay more for a, for a ceramic brake car and didn't have far as it.
But then I know that's lucky I'm here now, isn't it?
Clearly I've got to do this as well.
Go on.
Yeah.
So in my opinion, I would find the extra 20 grand and buy the dot two because everything
changes from dot one to dot two.
The engines are way stronger.
It's a proper motorsport engine.
The gearboxes are better.
The car's just better.
Actually, if any of you that watched the episode last week said that there wasn't
there, there's not normally incremental jumps between dot one and dot two.
That was a big jump.
Yes.
Good point.
That was because that car, the dot two is way better than the dot one.
He is saying no, no, one of these is out of my price range.
So maybe in America, they're stronger.
Fair.
So they could be.
So he's saying that there's not an option for it.
Okay.
Fine.
So if you look at all the other models, you know, still on the used market, apart
from 997.2s, it sort of does start, you know, 996 GT3s, you know, in the UK, 70, 80
grand, 997.1s, 80 or 90 grand.
I said 997.2 is a little bit crazy, but it does sort of trickle up.
So you can sort of estimate that if they're all going to keep trickling down,
let's not sit here trying to give investment advice on that.
They're all going to continue to trickle down in the next three, five, 10 years.
Yes.
You could imagine a 991.1 might end up at 65, 70 grand.
I'd be amazed, mate.
In terms of that low.
I'd be amazed.
You don't think I've dropped that low.
No, no, I think that's found its feet now.
Okay.
Fine.
I think that is 10 years old.
Yeah.
They're easily leveled by now, but you know, and then you've got like the low mileage
examples that will start to creep up because obviously is when cars stop production in
general, especially limited run cars or limited numbers cars, you think, oh, there's
this amount of cars when they were made, but then they start getting crashed and then
they blow up or things happen.
Although it's rare for a Porsche to blow up and it not be put back on the road.
You know, most, is it 75% of Porsche has ever made a still on the road?
Is there something?
Yeah, I saw that stuff the other day.
It's a ridiculous number.
So that, that's rare, but they, they just get to that point where they, they then start
to appreciate it and all you get all the old crap, which, which is like, which will
be 80 or 90 grand, and then you'll get the real low mileage, nice stuff, which starts
to creep up because there's less of it.
Let's supply and demand.
Sure.
So then in terms of reliability, you know, I didn't know much about these engines until
you made me aware of it a few years ago.
So we're G engine.
Yeah.
Where, where, what's the, what's the vibe there?
Like what should people, should actually people steer away?
Is it genuinely a continued concern?
Well, if they've got, if they've got the new engine in them, I don't think it is a
concern as far as I know from what I know now, um, the, the, cause Porsche were
warranting them for 10 years, essentially.
So, but that's out now about, well, it is out because they were 13 and 14, weren't
they?
So that they're, they're gone now.
So you need to make sure they've got the newer engine in them, um, but I've not
had any bad things about the new, the new engine.
And so what would the alternatives have been?
You said AMG GTR.
That's the first thing that comes to my head.
Yes.
In that price bracket, they're sort of, they're a little bit less, aren't they?
So maybe a bit more, a good one is still a hundred, mate.
A nice one with nice miles, you know, with moon miles and no ceramics and, you know,
not being looked after, they're probably 80, but a good one is still a hundred.
See, my thought was to stick in that Porsche mentality.
Why not save a chunk and maybe get as good a car, get 718 GT4?
Cause 911.1 GT3 versus 718 GT4.
Um, yeah, but people, people, it's not 911, is it?
It's not.
And I've always claimed that, but in terms of reliability, usability, like all
of the things, dynamics, but cause in 911.1 GT3, I don't think is necessarily
held at as the greatest GT3 ever made.
Absolutely.
And obviously had its issues and value wise and all this kind of stuff.
Like you, you could say what are they in this country?
GT4 70, 580 grand.
Yeah.
Again, a good one with all the bits on it.
Um, it's probably still 85.
Yeah.
But so you've got a 15 or maybe 20 grand saving for a more reliable car.
Yeah.
More sellable color, all these different things.
If someone asked me, if I had a choice between a 718 GT4 PDK and a 991.1
GT3, I'd have the Cayman.
Yeah.
I think I would too.
I would have a million percent.
Yeah.
It's a great car.
I think it's a great car.
And you're, and you're getting all the sort of benefits of the, yeah, just,
just, yeah, of a newer car, more reliable car.
Value wise, hard to know.
Um, cause less evidence to go on, but they've been fine, right?
In the grand scheme of things.
So a dot one GT4 manual car with loads of miles still between 50 and 60.
Okay.
Yeah.
So they're like not far off list.
Like remember those cars when they came out at 64?
Uh, roughly.
Yeah.
64 bit of options over 70.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Okay.
So yeah.
GT4, AMG GTR.
All right, but not really a driver's car.
Yeah.
If you're really, if you're talking about wanting and he's got, I have a 991.1 911 now.
Yeah.
So if you're in that mentality, you could get, you could get a turbo, but the
it's not, it's weird actually because when I think turbo, the difference
between them two cars, they're really far away in terms of drivability and what
they do that, like the, you know, the old turbo for sure.
When I fast forward now, depending on what tour I do next year, when we do
our tours, I will pick tour dependent, dependent.
Whether I take the turbo or whether I take the GT3, 10 years ago, I would
always only take the GT3.
Good point.
Because they're closer now.
Yes.
Absolutely.
You know, dynamically.
They are that turbo all rounded is so good.
Now it's not as, it's not as heavy on it.
It's not as light on its feet and that, you know, but as an all round car, the gap
is as closer to a GT product.
I have no idea what the values are in the U.S., but the other alternative to
look at would be a 570S and McLaren.
Well, they'll be all right.
I mean, I think they're fairly, I think McLaren's do all right in the U.S.
They do as one of their strongest markets for sure.
But I just don't know, you know, value wise, let's see if I can find.
I think they're about that money.
Well, they are in this country.
They're less.
In this country, you can pick up, I mean, a good one.
Like a late, because with ever with McLaren, the later build you, the better.
Essentially, like that's, that's kind of where you want to be looking at.
Cause it allows them to get the 90210 wiggle things out.
So, okay, value.
How do I do this?
Distance nationwide.
Is this America?
This is America.
I'm just having a look.
I have no idea.
America.
I've often wondered in America by price lowest, the lowest priced.
570 s that I can see is $100,000.
So yeah, you can find a car within your budget.
He said $130,000 here, there, there are plenty of 570 s is fine in that.
Oh, that's a really nice ones.
You know, I've always wondered about McLaren as well.
Go on.
State, state, state specific.
And the price is different.
In the U.S.
Yeah.
So not about McLaren, it's in general.
Yeah.
Cause there were different state taxes aren't there?
That's going to say, do you pay more for a car in LA than what you would in like, Texas?
Mate, look at that car.
Do you want it or not?
Yeah.
$120,000.
Yeah.
Here we go.
He hasn't got $120,000.
He says he's got $130,000.
Oh, $1,000.
Oh, he's done it.
5,000 miles.
Yeah.
Burton blue exterior.
Shout out to me.
Yeah.
Black leather, $1,800 a month finance.
Sounds like a lot of money to me.
Yeah, that is a lot of money.
Costa, I think have a look at some McLaren's.
Costa, have a look at some McLaren's.
There we go.
Don't rule out AMG GTR as well, by the way.
Sure.
Because that is a great car.
And you're walking into the same reliability questions with McLaren as you are with the 991.1.
Yeah, the Merc's pretty good.
Okay.
So let's move on.
Costa, we hope we helped you out.
Trent.
So Trent says, good day, man.
He's calling from Australia.
Okay.
I have a W204 C63 507 edition.
Nice.
But I want to add a pure track car.
Oh, okay.
Actually, you know what Trent?
We've just had this conversation because I was reading it.
Your thoughts on a GT3 versus a GT4.
Sorry, Trent.
Just, I mean, yeah.
Either.
Rewind.
Yes, moving on.
Oh my God, they're all Porsche questions.
Okay.
Will.
Hi, Sam.
I have a Jaguar F-Type V6 P380 for four and a half years.
Right.
Recently sold that and I'm looking for a replacement.
Maximum budget is 65 grand.
It's a weekend car, but will mostly be used on road trips rather than track days.
The occasional trip to work, but more Sunday drives.
I have considered a 991.1 4S, but I don't think it's going to be as enjoyable.
Straight away.
Will, don't get the 4S.
Oh, by the way, he's put I'm six foot six.
Is he?
Don't the forest will be very boring coming out of an F type.
No, just no.
So you want something which is kind of got, he's going to want character.
Yeah.
It's GT car.
He doesn't need overly dynamic.
I'm thinking like LC 500 or RCF Lexus.
Yeah.
The big V8 throaty one.
I know what you're thinking about.
You know, the track pack one with the carbon boots bonnet and stuff like that.
That's a nice, that's a nice cruiser.
I've had two that's come to mind.
Go on.
New shaped M4 Coupe.
Interesting.
Does everything.
Okay.
That car.
Yes.
Very good show.
Little bit boring.
65 grand.
Yo, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Easy.
Or a bit more left field and you'd have a bit of change.
The Leary A110 Alpine.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
That's the A110 R.
Yeah.
How much are they?
But for a crew, like, be all right.
I fall back the Lotus, but I don't like Lotus.
Yes.
I mean, I would chuck a mirror in there for sure.
I'd 100% say mirror because you'd get the character from the Jag.
I wouldn't say that Alpine because if he's doing it for road trips more than track days, don't get the Alpine.
Fair enough.
Like, it's got a crap boot.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, so I think a mirror.
I only thought of that because of, like, when I think road trips, I think Alpine roads, you know?
Yeah, but he's saying Sunday drives and stuff like on the motorway in an Alpine A110 R.
Well, like, if you're doing six hours, like, hey, we had one come on our trial tour last year.
I don't know.
No, it was an A110 S on GT and it won the car of the trip.
Yeah, yeah.
They are unbelievably good.
He did pay us to say that.
Not enough money, actually, because now we can rip it apart.
But yeah, I don't know why I steer away from the Alpine, but a mirror.
I say, I like the Lexus stuff.
What else falls into that sort of GT class?
You're not getting a, I wouldn't look at a Bentley Continental in that price range.
You would get, you're getting close to those facelift cars.
Go on, he's excited.
Like a 2019 V8 Vantage.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, what a shout.
Yeah, got the character.
Oh, that's a great shout.
And you can find amazing specs.
65 grand.
Get that.
It's very pretty.
How are they reliability wise?
They're fine.
It's got a merke engine.
Fine, fine again.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, that's a fantastic shout.
Over a DB11?
Yes.
Just because it does everything better.
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you haven't got Apple CarPlay, but you can get it fitted.
You, you're literally going to be like, you're going to be, you wait a minute.
You're going to be literally like a lord.
Yeah, yeah.
If you haven't got a bird, you'll get one.
But going to hotels like every feet, mate.
Oh, that's a great shout.
Yeah, the engine.
That's the car.
And that over, you know, cause you could get a last gen V12 Vantage, but don't do that.
No, no.
Get, get a nice car.
Oh, well done.
Yeah.
I'm going to, let's quit whilst we're ahead.
Why don't Tony, you won that one.
That's the end of the series.
Good night.
Oh my God.
So many people in the same conundrums.
Okay.
Liam, future car buying conundrum, total budget of a hundred K for one or two cars.
Criteria is one needs to be a two plus two as I have a wife and twin boys.
Congrats.
I'd like to bring along for days out in York to the lay strict, strict plus road trips into Europe.
Car needs to be able to handle GT slash road trip duties.
Early morning, solo blasts on B roads with potential occasional track day.
How much should a hundred K?
Should I spend the amount on one car or split and get a dedicated car for each?
My current thinking is 29, 2009 to 13 Aston DBS for the GT and a Lotus Exige for solo trips
or the likely 911 one car solution.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Don't discount the 911 if you've got twins and a wife, like I don't know how old your boys are,
but like it's not that comfortable.
No.
That is a two plus a half.
Like it's not a two plus two.
They're babies you get away with it or not even babies.
They've got to be like four or five.
Yeah.
Like just not really a vibe.
I mean, something you could really look out for that price though is an FF because that is going to do everything.
You've got a hundred K FF.
Okay.
Yes.
Like reliability maintenance wise, you're going to have a chunk of money aside for that one going break that car.
We can do better than that or within that price bracket.
I'm just thinking Ferrari like that's doing it.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
I think FF is a great one to look at.
They do.
You can rack up bills though.
That's the problem.
Just be aware you can rack up bills quite easily in those and you have to keep it on trickle and all that kind of stuff.
Like it needs taking care of.
What does he want?
Some dynamic, but either one car does it all or two.
So you can either go and again, Bentley Continental at that point.
The last shade be a coupé.
No, no, no.
He said it.
The world's our oyster a hundred K for either one car that does everything.
Oh, no.
Or two cars.
Oh, I know what it is.
He gets some money and free touring.
Literally four cars in one.
I love my and I've done dynamic driving in that car.
It's fine.
It's a little bit soulless.
I guess.
But the problem is if you want practicality, you have to suffer something and that car's got practicality in abundance.
He said the car needs to be able to handle GT road trip duties, the occasional drive with my wife and twin boys and early morning solo blasts with the potential for the occasional track day.
I mean, Tony's not wrong.
I've been in tow.
I was in Tony's M3 at the Nürburgring.
Like, yes.
It's fine.
Because I was going to say I was going to push the Bentley angle quite hard, but that's going to rid you of the occasional track day opportunity.
That's going to suddenly, but you know, I mean.
Or we go down or you go down the route of two cars.
I can't think I still can't fit.
I missed that car, by the way.
I still can't think of a better all round practical car.
Well, then at that point, just get an M340i touring and then get a juicy Lotus or the Alpine.
Maybe that's it.
Yeah.
M340i touring and an Alpine.
Yeah, but you're going to spend all your 100 grand.
That's what he's asking.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
A total budget, 100 grand, one car or two.
Yeah.
I think you could get, I think you could do the one car.
I don't think you need to.
Yeah.
You really want, you know, his option here is a Lotus.
So he's clearly like, proper.
If you really want that, like manual, raw, engaging, like stripped out thing, then okay, fine.
Any of these cars we're just suggesting M3s, Bentley's, that's not going to do it for you.
Not going to do that.
No.
Which one?
You have to split.
You have to do two cars.
Yeah.
If you're like, I'm happy with one car that does it all, then yes.
M3, absolutely.
Anything on the front?
Like because the RS6 is the E63, they're all too big and heavy.
Yeah.
And not as engaging.
C63, as we've discussed before, like the last V8 one, sure.
Or you go, or you go, you go a hot hatch and something sporty.
Yeah.
Hot hatching about like to get one of the last RS Megans.
Yeah.
One of the last great Renault Sport products or Civic Type R.
Civic Type R.
Civic Type R.
Amazing.
Civic Type R.
Yeah.
That's not a bad shout for the Hoon, but it just, it depends where your head is at.
Like I'm always like, I just always struggle to really like get super hyper excited to buy hatchbacks.
I always drive them and go, I don't have one of these, but it just doesn't have that same.
I don't know what it is.
Yeah, I hear you.
I would just, I would just, well, it depends how fast you want to go as well.
Because like you could, you could almost, you're just going to go over the hundred.
You could almost have the M free touring and something like a GR 86 as well.
Something that, you know, if you just want to, cause they're not very fast in GR 86s, but they're bloody good fun.
Yeah.
You put fruit exhaust on it and you've been flat.
Yeah.
Literally flat everywhere.
So you can go and have your little joint in that and then you got your M free touring that sort of does both as well.
Yeah.
Or an MX five.
Yeah.
Yeah.
MX five.
Like there's definitely ways to chop into it.
I think Tony's right.
It depends on how much driving, driving.
Yeah.
If you're going to be bored in the sort of family car that does it all on those roads, like then there's your answer.
Cause, but I always make this mistake, right?
Therefore the daily should just be a proper day.
Like the family car should just be a family car.
Yeah.
Get a Range Rover.
Yeah.
Something comfortable that's stylish.
There's an aspect that you love that it just, it's just really nice.
Yeah.
And then have the sports car or do it all in one because the, the having a sporty daily and a sports car,
what you just end up not using one of them.
Yeah.
The right way.
Yeah.
It's true.
Yeah.
It literally all depends what you want to, what you want from a car.
Yes.
What your actual driving experience is.
Okay.
Let's get away from that anyway.
Let's get away from the high end stuff and the nine 11s.
Here we go.
Archie being a die hard viewer listener for years.
Oh, thanks.
Didn't have to be that part out.
You must be the only one.
20 K budget for a fast hatchback.
It's my daily.
It needs to be good with camera kit in the back.
The obvious choice is a golf R mark seven.
However, I don't like what everyone else has.
So I bought a 2019 mini club and JCW sick.
Love that.
I absolutely love it.
And being 23 insurance was half that of a golf R slash S three and a third of an M 40.
I do think I made the right choice.
What else would you recommend or consider?
Well, you've already made your choice.
It's a bit late now.
A bit late now.
But I think you made a fantastic choice that club and JCW with a 360 what a car.
I love that.
It's kind of like it's got that kind of weird vibe about it.
The shape of it and it's super practical.
I think that's great.
Yeah.
And if you want to do the alternative, obviously the other options is you go down the more,
you know, the Hyundai Hyundai en route.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Civic was just mentioned.
Civic top all.
Yeah.
If you want to if you want to like properly be engaged driving there, the two engaged driving cars,
but the why did he get 7.5 for 20 grand?
What's your mark 7 for?
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Sorry.
Why did it?
What is it 7.5?
Yeah.
The obvious choice is golf are mark 7.5.
Yeah.
Yeah.
However, I don't like what everyone else has a fair.
He wants to do something alternative.
I said the insurance is half.
Yeah.
Because what people crash golf hours all the time?
Well, they get stolen.
Ah, okay.
That's the problem.
That's the problem.
And the S3 is he gets stolen on the wall.
Hmm.
Okay.
What are you?
You've already answered your own question and we approve.
I think fundamentally.
Well, you do.
I don't mean all the driver and the bread man.
Josh.
Hi, seven Tony.
Here's my car.
By and conundrum.
Yeah.
I'm in my early thirties and my wife and I have another mini Cooper.
So I say another.
I put that in.
He didn't say that over 2005 mini Cooper.
I love its value and utility.
The fun of something on underpowered and light.
It suits our budget as two charity workers.
Fucking hell.
Why don't you do we feel like crap people now?
Yeah.
We're thinking of upgrading to something bigger and we'd love an equivalent smaller
estate that's still fun understated and practical.
No dog or kids yet, but both are likely in this life in the life of this car.
Happy to stay with the modern classic or something a bit left field.
Our budget would be 10 to 20 K.
I know exactly what it is.
Oh, you're no more.
You're no more of this than me.
Well, 10 to 20 K.
10 to 20 K.
C64 estate.
Which one?
The box one that we drove.
Yeah.
They're 20 grand.
I think it's too.
He says he likes underpowered and light.
Oh, underpowered.
Yeah.
He's like, you know, we're thinking of upgrading to something bigger, but we'd love an equivalent
smaller estate that's fun understated and practical.
So I was like, we're going to do it right here.
I'm just basically triple checking that I was going to say Gen 1 Octavia VRS.
Yeah.
I think it would be really cool because it's got that kind of like a bit left field.
It's a Skoda.
So most people drive a Skoda mate.
It's it's going to be a great car, right?
Like proper Gen 1 and or early.
I mean, like an older car.
Good condition as you can get.
There's plenty of them here.
There's plenty of them here.
Or like, you know what I always love?
This is Rogue like the early A6 all roads.
Yeah.
You have to be careful with some of them.
I remember we used to sell them when they were no, they had horrible gearboxes.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
And maybe not that fun and light, but yeah.
So then you've got really heavy.
You've got early golf estates.
But yeah, I was thinking a golf.
I tell you what, I was thinking if you want to go really cheap, but a bit left field,
like an old focus ST estate.
Oh, nice.
Yes.
Yeah.
Really cool.
Yeah.
Really cool.
Like a 2005 that sort of era.
Or about a Mondeo.
Yeah.
Like a Larry Mondeo.
Yeah.
ST estate.
But yeah.
Bloody V6.
What is the solution?
But not light though, mate.
That's a great big old bus.
He wants an estate.
He don't want to sell it.
He doesn't want to sell an estate yet.
So we haven't got dogs and kids yet.
It's got to be in a state.
The problem is like the German stuff.
When you look at German, unless you look at like three series estate or something like
that with a small engine, it'll be all right.
By the way, you get a nice, you know, 320 M Sport petrol.
That sort of money with low mileage.
You get one for 10 to 15 grand.
But the thing, when you start really thinking like left field on the German stuff, you've
got to go old.
Okay.
And then it like starts becoming a bit unreliable.
So because it's done moon miles and stuff like that, you know, so yeah, if you want to
have a bit of character, then the Skoda or the Focus ST estate be a good shot.
Yeah.
Because they're light, not got a lot of power.
Yeah.
170 horsepower.
Understated as I say.
Bit understated, yeah.
No one's just, you know, it's a Ford or a Skoda.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's only those that know.
Yeah.
But you could rock up to a piston head to meet people.
That's great.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, nice.
Miles from Scotland on the lookout for something fun and exciting for 55 grand.
Currently driving a Hyundai i20N.
Only do around 6000 miles per year.
I wouldn't say that's only.
What's the average?
10 or 12?
10 or 12.
Okay, fine.
So he's still all right.
Would prefer automatic.
Yeah.
How much on 55 grand?
Preferably something that isn't going to lose a fortune.
Is he going to keep his Hyundai?
Wait, I think I prefer Coupe.
Two seats would be sufficient.
Will be kept outside and previously had an M240i.
No, I think he's replacing the Hyundai.
55 grand.
I mean, he's not giving us much to go on.
Apart from he wants to Coupe and automatic F type.
New shape M2.
55 grand.
Yes.
Oh my God.
Go, go, go.
Well, he had the M240i from 2017.
Yeah.
But the new shape M2 is like different car entirely.
It's a proper car.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
Yeah.
That's all right.
There you go, Miles.
Sorry, I'm literally like, I cannot be like,
I had no idea those were that like,
like, inherently valuable.
Okay, we're going to do two more that are completely different.
So firstly, Scott, car bank conundrum budget,
budget 150 grand.
Oh, we like this.
This is better.
Right.
Usage weekend car plus European touring for my wife and me.
We need luggage space for trips.
And we're in the back for a small-ish dog.
We don't need a four-seater, but we do want a two plus two.
We have to offer and visit our children at university.
Option one, Nanna 2.1 GT3.
Option two, Roma Coupe, Curveball Lusso.
Roma.
V12.
It's what comes to my brain straight away.
What did he say?
Budget was 150K.
I mean,
Easily.
Yeah, Roma's unbelievable.
I want to drove that one again in Lux.
But it's such a good car.
It is such a good car.
And the fact that people are kind of in inverted commas
sleeping on them is mind-boggling to me.
I would get rid of option one, the GT3,
and swap that for a turbo.
What turbos are you getting for 150?
You're getting your car?
Nanna 2.1.
Yeah, so don't do the GT3.
It's too much.
Way too much.
You don't need it for what you've described,
your potential usage case.
And I don't know if your wife will love it.
Most male GT3 owners I meet who have female partners,
the female partners go, don't like the GT3.
So I'm thinking, yeah,
Turbo S versus Roma,
Bentley Continental again,
I'll shove it in there because I just
wouldn't want to fly the flag for that.
Yeah, yeah.
But if you're spending 150K on a Bentley Continental,
a bit too much this day, mate.
You're better off with the Roma
or the Turbo S there to be the top two.
Our DB12 is 150K.
They must nearly be.
I bet they are.
Let's have a quick look there.
I bet they are.
Because that would be my choice in all of it.
Yeah, I love that DB12.
And if you're talking about having kids at university,
I'm assuming you're above the age of 30.
Well, yeah.
It's got to be.
And so, you know, in all of that,
I'm like, an Aston Martin is probably going to suit you.
It's a very versatile car.
Yeah.
Cheapest one on the market at the moment.
I can see it's 145 grand.
Yeah.
3000 miles.
Nice black car.
Does everything.
It's got the practicality.
Great new infotainment system.
Like stunning, like.
The only thing that stopped me agreeing with you
and picking the other two,
and I did personally, by the way,
is the values.
Because that's still got a way to fall that DB12.
Whereas the Roma and the Turbo S less so.
But the problem with Roma's that scare me is
if you're buying one with low mileage,
with a nice spec,
you're paying 150, 140, 150.
But as we've seen.
160 even.
Yeah.
High mileage.
And I say hi.
I'm talking about 12, 15,000 miles.
No carbon options.
They're down at 120.
So you say they...
Are they 120 though?
Yeah.
That car that I very needed bought was 120.
For 15,000 mile, blue potsy, tan interior,
lack of carbon car.
Really nice car.
Ferrari approved used 120 grand, mate.
Yeah.
So if you're picking up a Roma coupé with three,
4,000 miles,
but you're going to use it,
you do have 20 or 30k to fall.
Yeah.
And I think a DB12 100 is probably going to do the same
in the next two years time.
Maybe.
Because DB11s aren't...
Absolutely.
DB11s are a B80 grand.
Yes, you're right.
That's what I was saying.
I was going to stop talking.
Yeah.
The Luso,
I always am an arm about.
Yes.
Love it.
Brilliant.
Would you get a V12 on?
I suppose you would, wouldn't you?
Just...
Yeah.
Again, they're very similar to the Roma Spectre Pendant.
Yeah.
But you would sneak into a V12 one.
And yes, you do get Ferrari warranty.
Yeah.
And you could get like...
They're a board come out of.
You get Ferrari warranty still.
Yeah, you would.
Yeah.
It's a good 15 years old.
Two year approved used.
Yeah.
I wouldn't pick that.
I wouldn't pick that either.
It's all very good.
Do you know when we had one on our tour?
Yeah.
We fell in love with it.
We fell in love with it.
But actually, when you bite the bullet and you actually weigh everything up, you go...
Actually, that's not how you do it.
It's not how you do it.
It's not how you do it.
It's not how you do it.
It's not how you do it.
So, Roma Cooper, I think we're both leaning towards.
I would...
I would genuinely DB12 it.
Okay.
Given the...
What they've described.
What Scott's...
All right, you go DB12.
I'm going to go Roma.
And neither of us are going Turbo S?
Well, I bought a Turbo S, but...
Yeah.
Okay.
I bought a Turbo S because that was my preference.
Yeah.
But I think if you're...
And for what I want to use the car for, I think if you want a bit more...
Wow.
And a bit more...
I'm driving a Ferrari.
Yeah.
Because there is a difference, mate.
Driving a Ferrari than driving a Porsche.
Yeah.
But I like the fact that the Porsche is very understated.
The Ferrari is a bit more in your face.
And I like the fact that I can literally just lead the Porsche on the street.
Yeah, sure.
Okay, fine.
You know.
Yeah.
It's just a great 911.
Okay.
Last one from Annaly in Germany.
I'm looking forward to buy a sports GT car.
Budgets around 40,000, which I'm guessing is 40,000 euros, let's say.
So, we're not going to be completely bang on with some of our suggestions here.
Currently got a Jaguar XE diesel with 200,000 miles on the clock.
Nice.
And we'll keep that.
So, this is looking for a fun weekend to see to coupé.
So, potentially F-type.
V8 is too much power, I think.
So, happy with the V6.
BMW Z4 or Supra.
Any suggestions are welcome.
So, around 40,000.
Supra's not a bad shout.
This is a little bit your market than mine.
Yeah, Supra's not a bad shout.
Because they'll hold their money then as well, them cars.
I don't think anyone's going to go for it, but TTRS?
Yeah.
No one's going to go for that one.
No one's going to go for his ex-good cars, though, aren't they?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, the obvious one is obviously the older-shape M2 comp.
But, you know, I don't know whoever now, if I had the choice,
M2 comp or Supra, which one I'd have.
They're both in that realm, essentially.
If you want to go old,
you could have, like, an old Aston Vantage.
You want it to go old.
For sure.
But then you're going to get loads of cars and stuff like that.
But yeah, I think you're going to...
I mean, obviously not too scared.
200k miles on the clock of the Jag,
but this is a weekend fun, too.
So you just coupé for long trips.
He doesn't want to have a Jag, does he, mate?
He's got a Jag.
Is Annalie a female, though?
Oh, well, he could be both.
Is it male or female?
Sorry, Annalie.
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I think Annalie is a female, isn't it?
What? And you've now changed your mind because she's a female?
No, no, no, no, but you just said he, he, he, and I,
so that's quite offensive of it.
Annalie is a German feminine name.
And if you're a dude with a female...
Hey, Rocket, why not?
I used to know a guy called Ruby when I was growing up.
Nice!
Yeah, that's quite cool.
Anyway, so let's...
We're going to assume, Annalie, that you're female.
Okay.
Because I think, yeah, you were like,
it doesn't need us.
I was like, well, that's going to be a bit harsh for this girl.
So let's assume you're female.
So she could...
Yeah, super old.
Whatever.
I wouldn't go old, but I wouldn't do that.
For long trips...
If you want something that's not going to break.
Two-seater coupé.
I mean, you could go old M4,
or the C63, that one that Poole had.
What was that shit?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, they're pretty cool, aren't they?
They're pretty cool, aren't they?
Yeah, C63, yeah.
Like an 18 plate, 19 plate for that money.
Yeah, yeah, you get one of them.
That would be a cool car.
Yeah.
Again, in a nice bag.
Do you have a muscle?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, very appropriate.
I used to love them cars, by the way.
Yeah, they were good for a hot minute, weren't they?
Yeah.
The edition ones with the silver, grey and yellow stripe.
Yeah.
They're a cool car.
We still sell them now.
Do you?
We still sell them for a stock.
Really?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Well, actually, I forgot.
But it's you two people just...
They just overlook them now.
Yeah.
Because it's a bloody good car.
Especially for the money.
It looks like 70-year-old Gran knew that car.
I still got loads of character because of the V8.
Is that what we're leaning towards then?
I think so.
It's a good shot.
Over a Supra?
Yeah.
I think so.
Me too.
Especially for the long trips.
Nice big V8, yeah.
Yeah, we get a de-restricted 180 mile-hour.
Yeah, put fruit exhaust on it if you want.
Oh, you just leave it.
Yeah.
You get a pre-OPF car.
That's a good point.
Of course, they were pre-OPF, weren't they?
Yeah, yeah.
Nice specs.
You can get very...
Mr. Panroof.
Nice wheels.
And then does tech just do a car play on Android Auto?
Retrofit.
Some of them have got them.
Really?
Some of them have got car play.
For 40K.
Easily for 40K.
Wow.
I've got one at 35.
18 plate cars.
That's what...
Yeah, I think that's a good show.
Yeah, that's where I'd go.
Yeah, yeah.
A bit of muscle.
You appear muscle car.
An Annaly reply.
Let's know if you're a boy or a girl.
Just because we're intrigued.
You know, in 2025, we've got to be so careful with these things.
Or you and them.
I don't know.
We're really waiting for this.
But you can send it for everyone, mate.
This is a little...
Yes, maybe we should start.
We need what's called...
What's called compliance?
What's...
You know, you never advise her.
What does he know what to mean?
Do you know what I mean?
Oh, mate, do we have to?
Everything has to get checked of how we refer to things.
Anyway, not really.
Well, there you go.
Thank you so much for those of you that submitted those.
There are tons more, but we could be here all day.
Thank you very much.
And we hope...
We've offered some kind of help.
I'm not sure if we have.
We have, mate.
We've pulled some belts.
You convinced yourself.
If you're UK-based, always, of course,
go and check out Graveled Cars.
That's for the worst cars available in the market.
But maybe you've got some cars that fit into that.
So, I'm going to America.
What are you going to do over the next week?
I'm going to do some work.
Are you not going anywhere?
Not doing anything?
No, mate.
I'm not.
It's bloody November now.
Yeah.
It's getting grim, isn't it?
It's horrible, mate.
But I'm going to go on a snow mission.
When?
Well, I'm going to wait a little bit longer
because there's no snow around at the minute.
But I'm going to put some winter tires on the Project 8
got to Scotland.
You want to come with?
Be in the Turbo S.
Yeah.
Yeah?
Because that's why I was in December last year
with Swiss Quote Bank Europe.
And that was when we had that heavy snow
and I was in the Turbo S in snow in Scotland.
I thought it was amazing.
But is it snowing there?
Not yet.
I'm going to go in December.
Well, it's snowing in December.
I don't know.
It did last year.
That's why I'm going to go.
My money gone if it's snowing.
Can we check?
You're on the wind up today.
Anyway, we'll be back with you next week
for another episode.
And I hope you've enjoyed the first four more.
What car should I buy?
What car should I buy?
It's quite good, isn't it?
I quite like doing this.
There you go.
All right.
We'll see you next week.
Bye-bye.
See you.
Bye-bye.
Go with Workday Go.
About this episode
A lively discussion kicks off in the new studio as hosts Sam and Tony dive into car buying dilemmas from listeners. They tackle a variety of questions, including the merits of the 991.1 GT3 versus alternatives like the AMG GTR and 718 GT4, and explore options for family-friendly sports cars. With a mix of humor and expertise, they provide insights on value retention, reliability, and practicality for various budgets. Notable mentions include the Lexus LC 500, Aston Martin Vantage, and the allure of the Ferrari Roma, making for an engaging episode filled with valuable advice.
Bentley
Burton blue
ceramic brakes
limited run cars
motorsport engine
Nürburgring
PDK
track day
trickle charger
turbo
Alpine A110
Aston Martin DB11
Aston Martin DBS
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
Aston Martin V8 Vantage
Audi RS 6
Audi S3
Bentley Continental
BMW 2 Series
BMW 3 Series
BMW 6 Series
BMW M2
BMW M3
BMW M4
BMW Z4
Ferrari FF
Honda Civic
Hyundai i20
Jaguar F-Type
Jaguar XE
Land Rover Range Rover
Lexus LC
Lotus Exige
McLaren 570S
Mercedes-Benz AMG GT
Mercedes-Benz C 63 T-Modell (S204)
Porsche 911
Porsche Boxster
Porsche Cayman
Renault Sport Spider
Skoda Octavia
Toyota GR 86
Toyota Supra
Original notes
This week we are helping listeners decide what car to buy.
We discuss:
0:00 - Intro
5:20 - 991.1 GT3?
17:15 - A 2+2 Sportscar
21:45 - £100k : 1 Car or 2 Cars?
27:30 - MINI Clubman JCW or Golf R
29:30 - Quirky estate car
36:00 - £150k dilemma
39:30 - Weekend Coupe
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