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Happy New Year, everyone, and welcome back to the guest for our first show of 2026.
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This is the Gary and Alec show.
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And with me, fortunately not still wearing his disheveled tuxedo from New Year's Eve, Alex
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Have you slept it off?
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You ready to go for the show?
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I wanted to be sure I was like super on, you know, super on for today's show.
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This is me super on.
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We will be joined by a very exciting guest a little bit later on.
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But right now I want to talk about the big kickoff to 2026.
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Not often you see the first day of the year also a new model released the first
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But that's what Ram did with the return of the Ram 1500 TRX.
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Now with 777 horsepower, we knew this truck was coming Alex, but 777 that's pretty darn
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And I have a feeling it's going to do just fine in the marketplace, you know, alongside
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everything else in that price strata.
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I think people have been waiting for this to come back.
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You'll be happy it came back and some fun little new details on it, you know,
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as well to, you know, also separate it from the previous iteration that, you know, had
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The nickname always has been the T Rex as in the dinosaur and they've actually updated
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So there is a T Rex head on it $102,000 Ford F-150 Raptor R, of course, is its top
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That's about $114,000.
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If you can believe that with 720 horsepower, I was checking the Internet listings the
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I find seven Raptor R's on lots at dealers right now.
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And they were all marked up to like $130,000, $140,000.
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It's pretty wild how strong this market is for these big monster trucks.
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No, I mean, it's, it's there.
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These are the everyday supercars for lack of a better, you know, term.
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Listen, we know that the market for high value trucks is there.
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I mean, you could spend more than that easily on a loaded up HD, anything.
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So, you know, get your hot rod, TRX, Ram 1500, bazillion horsepower thing.
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Maybe you'll start a new arm's race with Ford, who's going to, you know, who should
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maybe react and, you know, could we see more power coming?
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But this is the fun stuff.
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And it's fun that it happened, you know, first day of the year.
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Ford actually unveiled a 900 horsepower version of the Raptor R at SEMA last year.
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They're thinking about doing one of those Ford racing parts kits for it, but that
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doesn't count in the battle.
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You're going to need to up it at the factory.
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And honestly, the way things have been going with the Mustang lately, I wouldn't be surprised
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to see a 2027 Raptor R that's got more than 720 horsepower.
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Let the slug fest begin.
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We know how much power the engines that these trucks run are actually capable of making.
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And it's, it's far greater than, than what they're showing right now.
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Still baffles me that General Motors is not in this game.
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It's got the ZR2, the Silverado ZR2 lineup, but that's got the 420 horsepower V8.
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They've done nothing with these superpower engines.
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I'm guessing that's because they got caught up in the electrification thing.
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But now that they have a new generation of V8s coming out next year, you think
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they're finally going to get in to the super truck segment?
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Listen, they have the parts bin.
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They could do it so easily.
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All the pieces are there.
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You, you see it partially.
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You see kind of what can happen.
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Escalade V shows, I mean, it's really just like putting together for
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scent Legos, but the blown V8 in, you know, in the truck chassis and,
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and do your thing and, and you can go play with, with these guys.
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You could do an off road, you know, God, or you could do a street truck thing
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and go the totally opposite direction.
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I would love to CG into it.
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Let's see what happens.
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Of course, the CRX is a big part of Ram's V8 engine truck resurgence.
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An exciting part of that coming up is its return to NASCAR in February in
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the NASCAR truck series with colleague racing.
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That's one of the most exciting things happening this year in the world
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of motorsports, but there's plenty more coming in the U.S.
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and around the world and joining us now to help discuss that and also talk
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about his exciting new project is motorsports photographer Jamie Price.
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He's got a new book out called Raising Unfiltered a year in motorsports
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You probably know Jamie from seeing his name down there under the photo
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in one of your favorite automotive publications.
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Jamie, thanks for joining us on the show.
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Thanks for having me.
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So you shoot all over the world all the time, all these racing series,
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but you have this idea that instead of shooting with a digital camera,
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you're going to get some vintage cameras and bring them along and take shots
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at some of these races.
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What did inspire you to do that?
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I'm sure your career has been in the digital age, I would imagine.
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Did you ever even work in film or is this something entirely new for you?
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I kind of started my my first race that I covered was
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a NASCAR truck race.
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Actually, it was Kimmy Reichenan's debut in the NASCAR truck series
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at Charlotte Motor Speedway in 2011.
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That was one of the first first events that I ever shot with credentials.
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I also covered an American Le Mans series race at mid Ohio
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kind of around the same time in May of 2011.
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So it was it all kind of happened at the same time for me,
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but it was very deep into the digital age where I never shot film.
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It just wasn't it still doesn't really have a place in modern sports
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photography where our clients need pictures like rapidly within minutes
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or at the most an hour after a session is a race is done.
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Film just doesn't really work very well for that.
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So film just was never something that I dabbled in.
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But I found this photographer that was I guess he had he put up
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a reel or something on Instagram with these little dinky NASCAR.
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Like they look like NASCAR stock cars, but it's a film camera
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and you reload 35 millimeter film into it.
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And this photographer does not shoot any kind of motorsport or racing stuff.
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And I was like, I have to have this.
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I have to have this camera.
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It looks so cool and so much fun.
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And the pictures that he shot weren't awful.
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So like I knew it had enough quality.
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I just had enough of the components to be kind of interesting.
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And so I brought one to to a test session actually
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at Circuit of the Americas with Lamborghini when we were testing
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the SC 63 hypercar that they had produced.
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And I brought two or three rolls of film with me and it didn't work.
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Basically like the camera I brought had broken
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before I even loaded film into it.
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So it was kind of a really discouraging start.
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So I was like, all right, I'm going to give it one more shot.
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And I bought another camera that I found on eBay and I brought it
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to the Rolex 24 in 2024 and I shot five or six rolls of film on it.
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And when they came back, I was like, OK, this is kind of cool, actually.
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And so I just kept it going for the entire year of 2024.
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When you're shooting regular on digital cameras,
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how many pictures do you take in a typical race?
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Let's say a four in the one race, such a shorter race.
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F1 is is honestly like not super labor intensive physically
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or photography wise.
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Like we're maybe doing, I don't know, like Monaco is kind of one
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of the races where you shoot probably the most
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because you can get to so much of the track so easily.
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Somewhere like Circuit of the Americas or Miami, for example, or Vegas.
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Like you might do maybe four or five thousand pictures
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from the entire day, like drivers walking in and press conferences,
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the race, the grid, all that stuff.
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You know, it's it's actually not that much for a Formula One
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just because the race is short and it's harder to get around corner to corner.
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But Monaco, you know, you're probably doing eight to ten thousand
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pictures from one race day.
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And that doesn't include like practice or qualifying or anything.
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And then a 24 hour race like Rolex 24,
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you can almost triple that number.
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It's closer to 30,000 because of the length of the race,
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but because also like it's just a it's a great track
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and the racing action is great.
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But yeah, you're you're talking like tens of thousands of pictures.
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And how many of those actually get used?
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Or do you think are good enough to be used?
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I'll probably deliver a couple hundred per client at the end of a race weekend.
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So they'll probably get like between one hundred and fifty to two hundred.
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So it's not it's not a small number of pictures that we're still delivering,
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but it's not, you know, you're probably averaging like it's
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it's like one percent of what you shoot is actually going to like end up anywhere.
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And then what they use is ultimately up to them, not me.
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So so what is it like to shoot just a couple of dozen pictures
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and have no idea what they look like until you get them developed
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a couple of days is really challenging.
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It's really it's a weird thing for me because I have so much respect for
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what my predecessors in photography and motorsport photography were doing
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in the 60s, the 70s, the 80s, the 90s, you know, the early 2000s
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before digital became something that was a reliable tool to use in a work environment
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because there were a lot of holdouts for like the digital to the film
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to digital switch, they were like, I don't know if this is going to work.
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Like, you know, you've seen those funny headlines in newspapers
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where it's like passing fad something called the Internet may or may not stick around.
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It's kind of like that, where they were like,
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digital is OK, but it's not as good quality as the film is.
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And so there was a lot of holdouts to to digital.
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But the work that they were producing, you know, in Formula One
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in sports car racing, NASCAR World Rally Championship,
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like Le Mans, you name it, some of the photographers,
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I still think that their pictures are better than what we're producing today on digital.
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I think it ultimately just comes down to, you know, the photographer
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understanding the sport, which is still something that's important to understand.
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You can't just go out there like wildly swinging
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and hopefully you're going to get a nice picture.
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You do actually have to think about your composition,
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think about your lenses, think about your settings, all this stuff
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that we're having to just kind of process on a minute by minute basis.
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They were doing with film without being able to see it.
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So when I have these dinky little cameras, I don't even have.
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I don't have any ability to change settings.
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I don't have any ability to change lenses.
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The only thing I can change in these cameras is what film
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stock I put in it and where I stand and point these cameras.
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So it was it was kind of like almost back to basics type of photography for me.
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The fun part about these cameras is that they even though I can't change the settings,
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they just natively like for whatever however the shutter inside of it is built.
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It has a slow shutter speed, meaning, you know, when you're taking a picture,
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you if you're not panning with your subject or your subject
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isn't standing perfectly still, you can you can get movement in the camera
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and in the picture, which is a good and bad thing.
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So if your subject is moving, it's great.
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But if your subject isn't as moving and you're not wanting it to be moving,
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it's really challenging.
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So, you know, I can take these cameras out track side and I can do,
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you know, basic level of panning with the cars as they go by.
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But you don't know if you got it like I've gotten some really cool pictures
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where I didn't intend for it to be as much movement as there is in it.
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And it worked out like there's a really there's a shot in the book
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where Fred Vassar, the team principal of Scooteria Ferrari,
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was walking down Pit Lane and he walked in front of the Alpine.
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They had set up a big Alpine team photo.
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They were doing it actually for the F1 movie.
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So all of the the cars, they lined them up on Pit Lane
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and they had each car crew standing behind the cars and Brad Pitt
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and some of the other actors went down the Pit Lane,
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taking pictures with each crew as like a thank you for letting us ruin your
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lives for three years or whatever it was, two and a half years.
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And Fred's walking down Pit Lane after the Ferrari guys had done their photo
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when he just walked in front of the Alpine team picture.
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And I happen to like get a like I happen to take my little film camera
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and take a picture of him walking past the Alpine car.
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And he's kind of like doing like a funny hand motion,
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like just kind of like trying to block the photographer.
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And it's actually kind of a cool photo where you can see movement.
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He's clearly walking.
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The background is not super sharp, but he's sharp because I'm panning him.
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It's stuff like that where it happened to work out,
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but there's plenty of other times where a driver has been standing there.
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I thought I got a shot where it's nice and sharp.
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And then I get the film rolls back and it's like a muddy, massive blur.
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And I'm like, well, well, going to be honest,
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I was a little worried about doing an audio podcast about photography,
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but you're drawing word pictures that are probably better than the real probably.
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Pretty impressive to hear you describe the process and what these photos look like.
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Let me ask you, do you have a particular favorite composition
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you like to get at every race?
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Cars come through a curve, cars up on the banking.
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Like is there one you always are looking for when you go to the track?
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It really depends on the track that we're going to.
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I mean, some places like Monaco, again, for example, is a really cool race track.
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Like, no, it doesn't produce great racing on TV,
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but when you're standing there in person, it's incredible.
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So you're trying to capture what the track is like to see in person.
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Like I always kind of tell people that if you boil my job down
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to the most basic element of what it is to be a photographer is that it's my job
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to go and experience an event and document it through photography
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for the people that weren't there or don't understand it
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or don't have any understanding of what it's like to be at Le Mans
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or what it's like to be at the Daytona 500 or Indy 500 or pick your race
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and what it's like for someone to be there and experience that event,
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the racetrack, the cars, how they attack the curbs.
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So places like Daytona, you kind of have to do all of it
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where they're up on the banking at sunrise in the middle of the night.
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You go up to the grandstands
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and then you go to places like Monaco, where you want to show the cars
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right up against the Armco barriers, Le Mans.
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You have big trees, like big, beautiful pine forests in the background
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and the Dunlop Curve, which I guess is now the the Goodyear.
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Goodyear Bridge and Goodyear Bridge, which is just I will die on the hill,
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but it'll always be the Dunlop Bridge and Dunlop Curve.
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Sorry, Goodyear, but you have to show all that stuff
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and you have to go to as many places as you can.
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And it always kind of makes me laugh when I see in my social media comments
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where people are like, what an easy job to just stand there at one curb
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like or one corner all day.
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You know, like what a joke of a job.
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This is like, dude, I've walked like 30 miles
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like in the last 15 hours with camera gear and fighting the other guys
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for that exactly. So yeah, like it's you kind of want to show all of it
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and come away with what it's like to experience that event.
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And that particular race, you know, not every event is a great event,
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but some of them are pretty cool.
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So you want to kind of show that as much as possible.
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Given that everybody in the world has a camera now,
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it's pretty impressive that some publications are still out there
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hiring people like you to get the good stuff.
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Do you think there's still a future you're going to be doing this
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20 years from now or at some point?
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Do they just give up and start throwing the junk on there?
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You know, there's probably going to be a tipping point, but I don't know.
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Like I'm hoping that AI, AI is a tool, like it's a tool that we all
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can use in various different ways, you know, some ways or more.
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They're going to hurt more jobs than others.
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My hope is that, you know, a job like mine or wedding photographers,
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you can't you can't recreate a moment.
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You can't recreate like something that happened in real life.
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And and those teams want that right then and there.
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Like, could they go on chat, GPT and say, you know, make the A.O.
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Rexy car be running on the banking at Daytona in the middle of the night?
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But whether or not they choose to do that and choose to like fire
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their photographers or I really don't know.
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But my hope is that I'll be around for long enough to not have to worry about that.
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But but we'll see, like it's all happened really fast.
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And, you know, to be honest with you, the editorial side,
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where magazines are hiring photographers, that probably stopped
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being a pretty lucrative position probably
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probably 10 years ago, maybe a little bit more than that.
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When when print magazines kind of died a little bit, or they've just
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shifted their editorial coverage, like it's just hard.
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I personally don't go to Barnes and Noble anymore.
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Like I don't, you know, I don't go to the bookstore anymore.
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And, you know, unless I'm going through an airport,
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it's it's rare that I'm picking up a magazine, you know, I'm a good example
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of, you know, a millennial Gen Z, you know, like type of person
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where it's I'm ingesting my news from the Internet
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and I'm not holding print publications as much.
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But the good news is that when editorial and newspapers and magazines
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kind of stopped hiring photographers or stopped being it's not even that
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they stopped hiring, they stopped being willing to pay for photography.
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The teams and the manufacturers have not.
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And that has that has stayed pretty consistent.
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So, you know, even if even if the editorial side is dead,
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you'll get some bronze driver that's running in a Corvette or a Ferrari.
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They just want really cool pictures for their Instagram of them driving
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in the Rolex 24 or Le Mans and they're willing to pay for it,
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like far better than the magazines ever were, which is great.
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I'll take that all day.
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You got your season slated already.
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What's your first race for twenty?
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Yeah, more or less, it's I mean, it's kind of the good part
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and bad part of a job like mine, where you don't
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that there's not a ton of stability, but I do know more or less
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where I am a year in advance.
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So we can kind of plan some family vacations
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because I have two kids and a wife and a dog.
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So I have an actual life outside of the racetrack.
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But my year usually starts with the Rolex 24
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Imsa WeatherTech race.
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So I'll be down in Daytona for almost two weeks
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covering the test session.
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We have a whole media day where we do staged studio,
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like, you know, on a white backdrop photos with the drivers
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or just teams together, that kind of stuff.
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And then we go into actual race week, which is a whole another animal
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into itself, which is just, you know, long days, long hours.
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And then you then you have a 24 hour race at the back
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of all of those long days and long hours.
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And then I go straight to Canada for a winter ice driving event
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with Lamborghini, which is always a really cool highlight of my year.
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I mean, it's it's a cold, cold highlight.
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But last year we had multiple days below zero.
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And you're, you know, you're thrashing, you know,
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Lamborghini Rivolto and the RSSE and some of the other products
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that Lamborghini has and they have studded tires.
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And we're just throwing them around an ice track in in Canada.
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It's pretty awesome.
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And they let me drive it occasionally, too.
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So it's not a it's not a bad one.
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And then I pretty much have a little bit of time off before I go to Bahrain
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for the first, but it's not the actual first Formula One test of 2026.
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So it kind of like it kind of just once it starts in January,
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it doesn't really stop again until December.
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Formula one, of course, the series with the most changes coming next year.
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All new cars, all new power units, Cadillac join in the series,
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Ford back in the series with Red Bull power trains.
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And at least here in the US, the broadcast is going to be moving to Apple TV.
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So that can have a big effect for the fans.
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Alex, what do you think about the upcoming Formula One season?
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I'm looking forward to it.
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I'm looking forward to watching what comes out of Jamie's camera
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because again, like new year, new cars, new everything.
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It's exciting for everybody.
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I mean, Jamie is so close to Formula One.
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I think people forget, you know, the photographers that follow,
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that travel to the different series and follow specific series,
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like especially like Jamie does with Formula One amongst, you know,
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his litany of other clients.
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You sort of forget that the photographers are
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are really tuned into what's going on on the ground.
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And it's not because they're sitting in like every single
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like meeting and everything like that.
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It's just because you're so embedded, Jamie,
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can you talk for a second about how you view the narratives
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that happen in media and social, which I know you see.
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It must be really interesting from your perspective
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as somebody who actually sees what's going on, you know, on the ground,
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sees some of the interplay between the teams and people
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and has an understanding of how different the reality is
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versus maybe what's presented.
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I mean, the analogy I always use is like, you know,
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once you see how the hot dog is made, like you'd never really look
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at hot dogs the same way again.
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It's very much the same way with Formula One.
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And I think, you know, there's I won't say which publication
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or which journalist it is, but there's a publication, a big one
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in Formula One that pays an agency of photographers
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to scoop them information occasionally.
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Like, you know, because you're right, we do we do hear things
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before almost everybody else, you know, sees it or does it.
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Like, I have known about some of the projects
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that have been coming down the pipe in sports car racing
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long before they were announced, before they were shown to the world
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because, you know, you start connecting dots.
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It's like, why why do I see this driver walking into this
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hauler or why is this person in this garage?
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Why is this person sitting in this hospitality or you're asked
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to even do like a photo shoot of said person in, you know,
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somebody else's team gear before they've been announced
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and you have a non-disclosure agreement, but we're not deaf.
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Like, we're standing there with a camera with within generally,
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like, like you can hear people talking.
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Like, it's not that I can lip read, but like a little bit.
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You can kind of tell what people are saying just by by listening
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to what they're saying, but also seeing what their mouth is doing,
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what their actions are and how they're there's just a whole side of it
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that we are really, really entrenched in the the side of the sport
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that the fans don't they have no idea.
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They have no idea how how these teams utilize photographers
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to on the technical side, on the tire management side.
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That's just in Formula One.
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Like, I've you know, I've done tech and spy photography
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and MC WeatherTech World Endurance Championship Super
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Trefeo, which is a one make series.
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Like it's at every level and it's not just Formula One.
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And that's not even talking about like kind of what you're talking about,
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where it's, you know, the the inter-team politics of who's going where,
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who's doing what or who's bringing in or, you know, sponsorship type
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agreements, things like that, that for whatever reason,
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we're almost usually the first people to hear about it just because
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we're around all the time and we're just listening and talking to other people.
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And, you know, we're we're not dumb.
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We're journalists, essentially, just with a camera.
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There is a handful of fans out there
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that just think that photographers are just we just stand there and push buttons.
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It's like, if you want to think that, be free, but it's not the actual case.
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What was the vibe at the end of the season last year at F1?
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Are they excited about this year?
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Tripidacious, optimistic?
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And what's what's the thought about how 2026 is going to go?
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I think the cars are going to be completely different to drive.
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I mean, I have colleagues, again, photographers that we are close
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with the drivers and you talk to them and you kind of just chat as people,
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but also people that are deeply passionate and passionate and interested
24:27
in motorsport and racing.
24:29
And, you know, like one of the drivers has said to a friend of mine
24:33
that the the cars are going to be completely different,
24:36
that there's going to be a lot of lift and coast down the straightaways
24:41
to recharge the batteries.
24:43
Then you go into a corner that it's going to be like corners
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are going to be taken completely differently than they have been in the past.
24:49
So I think there's just a ton of question marks as to how this is actually going to go.
24:55
You know, big regulation change always has
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like a big discrepancy between the top teams and the bottom teams.
25:03
I mean, it happens with every regulation change in Formula One
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or or any type of racing where you have a big change to the aerodynamics
25:11
and the engines, you know, the last one Mercedes dominated
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at the end of a Red Bull era previously.
25:18
So Mercedes then went on to win how many seasons consecutively.
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It may be the same where you you have a lot of these teams
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that just didn't didn't go down the right path
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or their engine is underpowered or underperforming there.
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They made a design chain or a design choice with the aerodynamics
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that you can't easily unchange.
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I think the teams are very cautious about where this is going to go.
25:44
I'm I'm curious just because, yes, they've made the cars smaller,
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but they're not that much smaller and they're not that much lighter.
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It's only like 50 kilograms or something lighter, which is,
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you know, it's not that much at the end of the day.
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And when you actually physically compare one of the cars from,
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you know, the late nineties or early 2000s
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to what we have to like, you know, at the end of 2025,
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they are the 2025 cars are massive.
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They are absolutely massive when you stand next to one.
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And then you compare it to you're standing next to a car from 1998 or 2005.
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They're so small and compared to what we have in the modern era.
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And it's, you know, I'm I'm I'm going to hold my judgment
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until I see the cars, hear the cars and see them performing
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and see the drivers having to manage the the different
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aerodynamic modes that they're going to have.
26:38
I think it's getting way too complicated, but it was already too complicated,
26:43
but it's getting even more complicated.
26:44
I've been watching some videos lately of people driving the old 1970s F1 cars.
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And when you see them standing next to them, I mean, they were like,
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yeah, literally, it's amazing that they were doing the speeds they were doing in them.
26:58
No crash protection whatsoever up front where their feet were in front of the front axle.
27:04
It really was just a whole different ballgame.
27:05
Yeah, I don't know that I want to go back to it, but at the same time,
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wish there was a happy medium between, you know, the the boats that they've had
27:13
for the last couple of years and potentially what we'll have,
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you know, for this new regulation change and
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the smaller cars, lighter cars, nimble cars, where you see them turning on a dime,
27:25
like these cars don't turn on a dime unless they're,
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you know, really doing, you know, 200 miles an hour
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through maggots and beckets at Silverstone.
27:34
I really wish that Formula One would kind of go back to a simpler time a little bit.
27:39
Alex, one bummer with F1, the first three races,
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Australia, China, Japan, they're all on in the middle of the night for many Americans.
27:47
So as far as that Cadillac kickoff, that's going to kind of stink.
27:50
On the other side of that, though, we've got the IndyCar season,
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which is all on Fox Network this year again, which is great,
27:58
but not a lot of big changes to that series.
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We talked about Mick Schumacher joining a couple of weeks ago.
28:04
They've got the new races at Arlington, Markham, Canada,
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a city which Americans never heard of before IndyCar decided to hold a race there.
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And the return to Phoenix, those are really the big things happening.
28:16
But do you think IndyCar's 2026 season
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has potential to regain momentum for that series?
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I think a lot of it depends on how Fox promotes,
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gets out there and drives awareness.
28:27
I mean, I think the IndyCar series, I think, is full of great racing.
28:31
If you ask me, it's Alex Polo's series to lose once again,
28:34
unless and until someone shows up and demonstrates that on a consistent basis,
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they could challenge, you know, a challenge you might see him run away with.
28:46
But I think the move to Fox, this second full year of it on,
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for lack of a better term, free TV, helps a lot.
28:53
I think we saw some decent growth in that series last year.
28:58
And I love their season kickoff.
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I love that. That's St. Pete Race. It looks so good on TV.
29:03
And it's always nice to see those cars
29:06
and, you know, that warm sort of palm tree backdrop environment.
29:10
When are they supposed to be getting a new chassis for IndyCar?
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My understanding is I think it's 2028.
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So it's like an eternity.
29:20
Yeah, they've bumped it to 2028.
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That's supposed to be next year.
29:23
That's the biggest thing for me about IndyCar is that,
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like, I've been shooting that chassis since 2012.
29:31
Yeah, that same chassis, like, OK, yeah, they added the air screen
29:34
and they've changed the aerodynamics.
29:36
Like there was the really heavy downforce versions of it,
29:39
but it hasn't changed.
29:42
Like I that's my biggest gripe with this with IndyCar is like,
29:45
I love IndyCar. It sounds good.
29:48
The racing is good.
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The drivers at the like upper to elite level of IndyCar are great.
29:55
But it's just they need a new chassis like so badly.
29:58
And I don't know why it's taken this long.
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One piece of good news for you is that one of the reasons
30:03
they delayed the new chassis is because the first prototype,
30:07
nobody liked how it looked and they wanted something
30:09
that had a better style to it.
30:10
So apparently they've worked on that
30:12
and are hopefully going to have something that looks good in 2028.
30:17
I hope so. We'll see.
30:18
I mean, I get to cover, you know, a handful of IndyCar races
30:21
and it's always a blast.
30:22
I've covered the Indy 500 before
30:24
and it's like nothing I've ever experienced.
30:28
And it does it has its place in motorsport.
30:31
Like, you know, I wish that the toxic F1 fan community
30:35
could like give it a chance and not it's not a comp.
30:38
It's not a competitor to Formula One.
30:40
It's just different.
30:41
And I love the series.
30:42
I think the drivers are some of the best in the world.
30:45
I mean, I wish that someone I wish we could get
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like a proper taking Colton out of it.
30:50
Like I wish we could get like an Alex Polo sitting
30:53
in an actual F1 test where they're actually doing like times,
30:57
not kind of like a rookie test where we've got a Pato
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doing like arrow testing or whatever he was doing in Abu Dhabi.
31:06
I would love to see like how they actually stocked up
31:09
because I know that they'd be competitive.
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And I think everybody else in the racing industry knows
31:13
they'd be competitive, but the F1 fans are like, no,
31:16
stupid IndyCar drivers just go in circles.
31:18
It's going to be interesting to see how Colton Herta does in F2.
31:21
That's really going to give us an idea of where the level
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of these drivers are, because that's where all the new Formula
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One drivers come from.
31:27
Yep, it's going to be really interesting.
31:29
I know Colton, he's going to be driving for Wayne Taylor
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Racing, which is one of my clients in in IMSA Leather Tech.
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So I'll get a chance to kind of talk to him.
31:38
And I've known him for a couple of years now.
31:39
And he's a great guy, a great driver.
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He he loves driving.
31:44
I mean, he's driven the GTLM cars.
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He's driven IndyCar.
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He's driven LMP2 cars.
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He's driven the prototypes before.
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He should be competitive.
31:52
Like if the Colton that I know shows up on track in F2,
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he'll be competitive.
31:59
But F2 is extremely, extremely competitive and on tracks
32:03
that he doesn't have a ton of experience with.
32:04
So I hope it goes well.
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Total coincidence that Colton Herta and Jordan Taylor
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were on the last episode of The Gas in 2025.
32:16
That's quite the lineup right there.
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Rolex 24, of course, coming up as the first race really
32:21
of the 2026 season, first big race.
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You guys are going to be there.
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Any predictions for the IMSA season for either of you?
32:29
That's the beauty of IMSA is we could get a poll sitter.
32:34
Like we could say that Wayne Taylor racing will be on poll.
32:36
But then you at the end of Sunday afternoon
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after the race, it could literally be anybody.
32:44
And I love that because you have so much at play.
32:47
You have so many different drivers
32:49
that have different strengths.
32:51
What if we get a wet race like we had in 2017 and 2015
32:57
There's so many different variables.
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A couple of years ago, it was below 32 degrees at night.
33:04
It was like 26 or something.
33:06
And so you have some cars that absolutely just
33:09
came to life because of the cold temperatures.
33:12
And then other cars that just completely died off.
33:15
So sports car racing is one of those things that, again,
33:19
I wish fans would give it a chance.
33:22
Yes, it's hard to watch a 24 hour,
33:24
but there's so much going on with it
33:26
and how many different strategies there are
33:29
and how many different types of cars there are
33:32
with different strengths and weaknesses and looks
33:35
Like at the end of last season, we had the Valkyrie
33:38
running a straight pipe V12 competitive with the Cadillac
33:44
GTP car and a Lamborghini.
33:47
That's what I love about M-Sun, what
33:48
I love about world endurance championship
33:50
is that you just don't know until we get to the checkered
33:54
And that's what makes it fun.
33:56
You could think that your car is fast.
33:58
You could think your team's fast.
33:59
And it might not be.
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From the driver perspective, you've got the Triple Crown,
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Indy 500, Monaco, and then either Le Mans or Daytona.
34:08
But from the fans perspective, these
34:10
are really the amazing races to go to.
34:12
I mean, you can't beat.
34:14
Like, I'm a big advocate for going on social media
34:19
and trying to educate people.
34:22
And one of the things, like, even this morning,
34:24
I saw somebody like, what am I going to do in the off season
34:28
Because it's two months long.
34:30
And no, what are we going to do with no racing on tracks?
34:33
They're already racing in Dakar right now.
34:37
And then we have the Rolex coming up in two and a half weeks,
34:41
three weeks for a race.
34:42
But you can also go to the Roar for free, I think.
34:45
If it's not free, it's like $5.
34:48
And then for the actual race week,
34:50
you get a four day ticket for $160 with garage access.
34:55
And you get to go on the grid.
34:58
I love the 24 hours of Le Mans.
34:59
Don't get me wrong, I love Le Mans.
35:03
I love the ACO and the World Endurance Championship
35:06
and the feeling of being on the grid
35:09
or watching the cars come to the start
35:11
for the 24 hours of Le Mans or being on the Mulsanne.
35:15
But the average person will not be allowed to go on the grid,
35:20
will not be allowed to go in the garage area
35:23
for the 24 hours of Le Mans.
35:26
Like, they have an open fan grid walk twice during the week.
35:32
And the garage area is open during Daytona all day,
35:37
all night for four days.
35:39
And you can go whenever you want without,
35:41
with no exceptions and the cars are literally lined up,
35:44
waiting to go out to qualifier,
35:45
waiting for when they get released
35:48
for their recon lap before the race starts.
35:51
Like, you can just go out there as a fan
35:52
with your, you know, your three-year-old.
35:54
Like, I have a four-year-old right now
35:56
and I could take her on the grid
35:59
for the 24 hours of Daytona.
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And I think that's really, really special.
36:04
It is definitely like a really cool race.
36:07
You're gonna be bringing the film camera
36:09
with you again this year?
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I don't know, I don't really know what my plan is with them.
36:13
I've shot enough that I could do a second book
36:16
And to be honest with you,
36:17
some of the pictures from this past year,
36:19
I actually like more than I,
36:22
some of the pictures from 2024.
36:24
I could do a second book,
36:26
but whether or not I want to is another story.
36:29
Like it was pretty labor-intensive.
36:33
And I, to be honest,
36:34
I don't honestly know how well it's selling right now.
36:37
So I haven't heard from the publisher,
36:38
like what our numbers are.
36:39
The European copies haven't even shipped yet
36:42
because they'll start shipping in January and mid-January.
36:46
So I don't, I really don't even have numbers.
36:48
Like, if we, if I just,
36:50
if we get all of these books sold,
36:52
then yeah, maybe we'll do a second one
36:54
because clearly there's the market for it,
36:56
but I don't, and we only did 1,500 copies.
36:59
It's not like I'm doing 20,000 copies.
37:01
It's only 1,500 copies.
37:04
I will have the camera more for just to do it,
37:07
to have it for fun and maybe do a social media post,
37:10
but whether it turns into another book down the road,
37:15
All right, Jamie Price,
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racing unfiltered a year in motorsports.
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37:21
Don't expect to see Jamie in the bookstore
37:23
looking for it though.
37:24
He likes to shop online.
37:26
Thanks for joining us so much today.
37:27
We really enjoyed hearing about this.
37:30
It's been, it's been an honor.
37:32
Alex, hope you're feeling good and ready
37:35
for a big 2026 year on the gas.
37:40
And I'm super ready to see Jamie in Daytona
37:42
because one of my clients happens to be Imsa.
37:45
So I will be there, you know?
37:47
It's going to be fun, man.
37:49
It will be a very good time.
37:51
And I hope everybody listening
37:54
makes a point to go to any race this year.
37:59
You know, to Jamie's point,
38:00
there is a lot more going on
38:01
in racing than Formula One
38:03
and a lot of it's affordable and a ton of fun.
38:05
If you have a track that's local
38:07
that is running literally anything,
38:10
go have a good time.
38:11
That's the gateway drug.
38:13
Just go to any race
38:16
and you will find yourself wanting to go
38:18
I think Jamie can back me up on that.
38:20
And then, you know, if you're smart,
38:22
you'll go to a race where he's taking photos
38:24
and you'll see the really cool stuff
38:26
that comes out of his camera.
38:27
And on your way to one of those tracks,
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don't forget to tune in to The Gas
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on your favorite podcast platform.
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