SILVERSTONE REVIEW BTCC 2025

Silverstone goes off script, but can anybody really catch the top? This is the Silverstone

Review.

Hello, and welcome back to the British Touring Car Podcast. We're back once again to review

the penultimate weekend of the season at Silverstone, which you were in at.

I was, and can I just say, as a matter of fact, it was dry. That Sunday, it was normally quite

down on Silverstone. There was a heck of a lot there this weekend. I have to say, there's

a lot of free bits and pieces as well. I'm going to get to some of that in the Plato

stuff we'll discuss in a moment. But actually, as a weekend, it was very good. It was

emptier than I've seen Silverstone, I think it's fair to say. There were seats available

in the Grandstand, quite a lot of seats available in the Grandstand for every race.

It seemed a little bit spinny. When you sent me the prize of the ticket, I thought, ooh,

I've heard reports as well that went up to 50 on the Friday night and on the gate, but

I'd not be able to verify that because I'd bought my tickets ahead of time. Well, I will

say the program was only a fiver, and it was a high quality program of more, in

my opinion, more interesting content in it than you get elsewhere. Yeah, I was

pleasantly surprised. I actually thought the racing was pretty good this weekend

as well. If not at the front, there were some good backpacks in the field, wasn't

it? Just touring cars or support races as well, because I know you struggled with

support races. Yeah, I mean, I found a little bit, yeah, they were fine. I didn't

watch them all perfectly because I met up with some friends and I met up with

another podcaster as well, so I had a chat with him. I met up with an old

friend who was there as well this weekend, so I did do a little bit of

socializing between races. The support I saw was fine. I didn't see any of

the F4s. There was a big incident in the Porsche. Yeah, so very quickly on

that lap, one of the poor sprint, he just lose all his own on rear tires and

then flew off into the barrier quite a lot of speed and as soon as he hit the

barrier, the car went up on his roof, so very quick red flag and a lengthy

delay where they had to fix, obviously, and make sure the barriers were safe

to race. That's being moved to Brandt's Hatch. They're going to run

that presumably on the Saturday at Brandt's Hatch. Again, time table

allowing that is the plan for that. But yeah, overall, a good weekend, a

lot there. Getting out of the car park was a disgrace. You also said you

parked quite a long way. I was wrong. I was wrong. Okay. I was wrong. They put us

behind Luffield in that little grass area, which is with that was fine. But again,

just getting out. I don't understand why as particularly at Silverstone,

there was nobody there to just do a little bit of policing because it's

such a big expanse as well as the infrastructure is there to do F1

weekend. So how's the cope on F1 weekends? Because it took a good, I

mean, 20 minutes by all accounts, getting out of a race isn't that

bad. However, at Silverstone, you expect to get out pretty quickly

and easily because there are so many exits, but there was no signs showing

you where the exits were. So yeah, anyway, that's that. That's Silverstone

in the nutshell. I did have a good weekend or a good Sunday overall. Did

you enjoy the sofa?

Yeah, it wasn't too bad. Actually, I'm quite warmer than I was. Yeah, I

quite enjoyed the creature comforts at home. I was able to watch the F1

and some of the football alongside the racing weekend. So yeah, it wasn't

too bad.

Good stuff. Right. Well, before we get into the actual review, there was

some big news at the top of the program on Sunday involving a

certain Jason Plater.

Yeah, there was a little bit of speculation around what it may be

because he was teasing bits and pieces on Twitter or X or whatever

you call it nowadays, about an announcement coming. And there

were rumors, I think you heard rumors of possibly either coming

back to the series or coming back to even like a commentary

role.

Well, he did. He put a picture on Twitter on social media of

his old racing boots. Yes. How about we get these dusted off

then immediately think, okay, he's going racing, obviously,

since he left the grid some three years ago, I don't think he's

on anything. If he has done stuff, it's been very sporadic and

sparse. But obviously, there were some reasons for that. And

just as a trigger warning, we are going to be discussing some

topics around mental health, which obviously came out in the

later interview. But yeah, he's coming back as a team owner,

which I think he's really exciting for the sport,

actually, because this is somebody that I said to you in

the text when you asked me about it, because you very

candidly asked, well, Mr. Galby happy about this. I

think he will because this place that gets Bums on

Seats is as simple as that he will get Bums on Seats. And

there's also if you're a documentary person, certainly

story and this isn't a Jason player returning to try and

take a touring car team to Oldswood Glory.

Yeah, very much the story behind it. And I think he

would like that narrative as well. Almost coming back,

especially with what he went on to talk about in the

interview that you had with Louise, what he's come

back from to going to it very much shows me that

his life needs a purpose. And that he wants to find

this purpose once again within racing. And yes, it's

not going to be necessarily, but he hasn't denied it

yet. Not going to be as a driver, but as a he said,

he has a team owner. He said he wouldn't be driving

the car in the Louise interview, which we shall

see how long that goes on for. Obviously, at the

minute, we've got no idea for various reasons, he

can't tell us the car, the drivers, anything that

we do know that from his own words, and he's

looking to bring two huge sponsors, never been

in motorsport before. So if you've got shares in

gin, that'd be my guess.

But it's sounding very much like it's going to be a

two car setup. What cars they use, we don't know.

He's looking like there's going to be further

announcements with that towards the end of

October. So once the season is all done and

dusted with and the dust has settled, but

there's certain rumors popping around already

within the puzzle as to who those drivers

could well be.

Well, as rumors today that I'm not going to

go into about what cars he might have bought,

I should talk to you off air on that. You've

probably seen the same. And we're not going to

get in the room and mill here because this is

there's so much. So much here.

I think what's more important at this stage,

if we focus on the actual other side of the

play to interview is where this larger than

life character who's always a bit happy, go

lucky, admitted very openly to Louisa. He

had been struggling, hadn't left the house

for six months, and obviously had suffered

some problems in his personal life with

marriage and TV work and stuff. And actually

this weekend at Silverstone, there's a

lot of mental health stuff around. So you

could get your hair cut free. It was

called having to start the conversation

probably need that.

You should probably come to that. Yeah, I

mean, to try and encourage people to get

your talk and go talk to the barber,

except there's a mental men's mental

health charity out there. And I think

it is just always important to reiterate

that if you are struggling with your

mental health, and let's be honest, the

world is at times a terrible place.

If you will go tricky, that's

tricky at the moment. That's more

diplomatic. It's a tricky place to be.

There is absolutely no shame in seeking

help. I myself have gone through some

mental problems in the past. I feel

very able to talk about them now having

come out the other side. But yeah, if

you are struggling, there are a lot of

charities out there. There's obviously

your friends and family. If you think

you can talk to them, if you feel you

can't talk to them, and say there's

lots of charities, you've got mine,

you've got the campaign against living

miserably, you've got Samaritans.

There's a lot of places you can go

for help. And if you are someone

that's worried about somebody in your

life who you think isn't quite doing

alright, just ask them okay and make

sure you're asking again. Yeah,

always ask twice because lots of men

out there would always go, oh yeah,

I'm fine. Yeah, fuck it off. And

actually, I don't know if you've

probably haven't seen Brighton

Hovey Alvin Football Club put out a

fantastic video this weekend about

again, the knowledge on a couple of

years ago of that scarf on the

seat. Sadly, I mean, we can only

talk as men. Men don't seem to

talk about this enough. And all we

can do is encourage that if you

are struggling, regardless of your

gender, but particularly if you're a

man, because we tend to hide it

the most, make sure that you don't

bullet up and you get the help that

you need. Yeah, it was interesting to

see him speak so freely about the

place that he'd got to. And as I

said, I think this is very much a

purpose for him going forward and

something that he can concentrate

or focus on. And sometimes that's

something you need when you're

having mental health struggles.

But yeah, I think it'll be good to

see him back. Oh, absolutely. Back

in the paddock and in the stewards

bus. And it'll be interesting to

see what team has now he might

bring with him what drivers he's

going to look to bring in whether

he's going to do a combination of

young or old. What cards are you

going to bring? Put your thoughts

about that down in the comments.

And obviously, once the season is

over, we will speculate a little

bit more. Yeah, we'll get more

information about ways to bring

you the news as soon as it

breaks for that one. And this

or holiday, because it's going to

be a big one. Unless one of us

has a holiday book, so you might

be doing that. So that'll be

fine. Right. So we actually jump

into the action then on the

Saturday, which is where qualifying

happened. And there's a lot to

get through this weekend. So it

will crack through it quite

quickly. It was a qualifying

session that had some rain

attached to it. And we did see

the title drizzle. Yeah, drizzle

it was certainly made the track

slippery. Yes, agree. Certainly

not so agreed. It was a difficult

one for setup. And we saw both

Dan Kamish and Tom Chilton fail

post ride height checks for

their initial qualifying. And

the first session to get out

of their disqualified from that

but back in the grid. Yeah,

so Chilton was actually

disqualified for damage. He

had the exhaust side running

too low, whereas Kamish was

failure at the front. Yeah. I

know they run their cars close

to the limit. Obviously you

can't account too much for

Chilton's you may run over a

curb or something like that. But

you'd like to think a team like

Napa, if you're going lower at

the front, you need to be within

those restrictions. It's

difficult as well because they'll

be presumably going out on a wet

setup of slick tires or a dry

setup with wet tires. And we

know that if the problem with

the wet tires are, and it's the

same in most in all motorsport

is that if the track isn't wet

enough, they wear hella quickly

and that then naturally lowers

the height of the car. So it's a

tricky one because then we

don't have an intermediate in

touring cars. And it's this

sort of thing that makes you

think, well, perhaps it should

be sent that should be

considered maybe because it

wasn't wet enough for full

weights, but it wasn't dry

enough for dry. We go back

to the era where you could

have, well, different on front

and rear, you know, for well

that's sort of that I'd

absolutely like to be. We

also saw that both Ingram

and Sutton struggling in their

respective sessions, they both

didn't get into the top six

shootout. Both of them were

actually put in that down to

the top of turbo boost that

they get because of how many

straights there are at

Silverstone, it's a very

speedy or orientated track. And

they say this is where it's

hurt them. There's only two

breakings. And isn't there

you got the intermaggots and

beckets. And then you've got

Luffields the first

corner. Yeah, the first

corner is flat or a lift off.

It's not necessarily a

breaking zone. And if not,

you just run 16 miles

wide anyway. And if you say

you then got the Dorito that

is the corners and Dorito

has three long straights. So

yeah, it's not broken up in

the packet. Anyway, so in

the end, well, the Ingrams

rather could only get

himself into 14. Let's

give Sutton a glimmer maybe

but she could unfortunately

could not take, which was

him finishing 12. So in the

end, Ingram probably got the

way of this one. He seemed

to really struggle in that

second part of qualifying

did certain and even when

he was lapping towards the

end, I thought, one of

these laps, he's going to

kind of put something in

decent, but he was a long

way off. I think he

struggled all weekend. The

car just didn't seem to be

there. And he did say, I

think for our points, the

weekend that this is the

track they struggled with

the most for some reason.

Yeah. Even you think

back to when they were

dominating, they didn't

take pole with this track

was the only track they

didn't take pole that. So

on this particular

occasion, it was Dowder

Leon who got his first

pole of the of his

Korean, his first pole of

the season. Gordon Shedden,

he's always good in these

conditions. He just it's

that head, it's that wise

head that gets you through

finished second. Jake Hill,

a really good effort with

the BMW in those

conditions, particularly

BMW looked quite strong

at the end. I was quite

surprised, especially with

how well Moffitt and

Rainford did as well. So

then as a team,

Dan Lloyd in fourth,

Josh Cook, who was running

the new engine this

weekend. So only bucks

and running the old one

finish in fifth and

proctor six, a little

bit disappointing, maybe

because he's very good at

getting into the top

six. And it doesn't really

do anything when he's there

kind of thing. Perhaps a

little bit harsh, but I

think once you once you

see him and was

preconditioned to think

that Hyundai is so good

that you just expect it to

be on the front row. And

again, it wasn't.

Yep. So right, that

really sums up the for

somehow somehow the

counter side of the back

of the grid. I'm not

entirely sure how because

because they're on split

sessions, you have one

side, one session start

on one side of the grid

at the back and the

other session start on

the other side, even

though Camish and because

they got excluded from

their session, they were

at the back of their

session. And you have the

session of the

right. And then the order

between Chilton and Camish

was decided by how they

finished in fp2. Yes, I'd

heard that. Yeah. Yeah, I'd

heard that bit, but I

couldn't work out because

yeah, because they split

them side to side. It's

yeah, I was a little

confused by it because if

you get excluded from a

session, I believe you

should be on the back.

Well, that's that's why

that's exactly. Yes,

that's just how they how

they do it. Unfortunately.

Right. Well, fair enough

that makes like, there's

up back of doing some

research. Moving on to

race one then. So we had

mediums and soft tires

this weekend. You had to

run two mediums and one

soft. Soft was the

optimal which I actually

prefer. I think I think

because it just means

that you don't. Okay. And

one on the one hand, you

potentially waste your

soft if it goes wrong.

Yeah. But on the other

hand, I think it just

means that you don't

necessarily ruin your race

straight by finishing

first or third or

because not even behind

you can just stick on soft

because they're going to have

to be a bit more tactical

when they run the soft.

So if we're going to have

to do this, I kind of

prefer it this way. Okay. In

a weird way. I thought

the racing was way better

this weekend because

people on the medium or

part of you know, call it

didn't just tumble straight

back and people are soft

didn't just go forward.

We'll get to race three.

I think it was a

combination of that and

being not a soft to

hard. Yeah, I think

that probably made a big

difference as well. Yeah,

I would agree on that. I

think perhaps sorry to

hold you up even further.

It wasn't warm this weekend.

So I wonder if that made a

big difference. Well, because

it was much harder to get the

soft into the operation,

you know, the optimum

window because of the track

template. So for the

start of race one, we had

Robotton being the first

driver on the medium tire.

All of row five are on the

mediums and crucially

Sutton and Ingram both

started on the medium

tire. Makes sense.

Makes sense.

Lloyd managed to get

sort of like pretty much

the best start

really good. Really good

start. Really good. A way

like a scolded cat.

I managed to get Jake Hill

down into Beckett's on

brakes. Whereas Aaron

Taylor Smith had a poor

start and nearly squeeze

Sutton into the pit wall.

It came very close.

It was really close. I'm

pretty sure there was a

wing mirror that came off

with how close it was.

I sat on that knee though.

She had a decent start

as well. He managed to get

a good run out of the

final corner to lead

over the line for the

first lap. And then

De Leon locked up into

Beckett's and dropped down

to fifth.

It's a really poor A

poor start and just

it was.

I mean, I think Cooke

alluded, not Cooke Hill

sorry alluded to it

off as they just got the

tire strategy completely

wrong and how to look

after them.

But we know that the

BMW struggled really

early on in a race.

And it was cold that

first race. It was cold.

Yeah. And the front

wheel drives are just able

to take that little

edge out at the start

of the race. But De Leon

yeah, didn't balance it

well and gradually fell

through the field even

though he's supposed to

be on this quote optimum

tire.

And eventually gave himself

puncture as well, which

we'll get to.

Yes.

Lloyd then managed to lead

into Luffield

coming on to between

lap two and three

managed to get a good run

take Sheddon and

it's good move.

He didn't really look back.

He looked really strong

really confident as well.

Yeah. I think

I think if we didn't have

what happened later,

it would have been a

different story.

That's not to take anything

away from Lloyd.

But I think I think

what I quite like about

this race as well as there's

a lot of strategy being

played and he got

passed I think on the

boost and then

Sheddon had a plan

for how to deal with that

later, which you

couldn't get to as we'll

cover in a moment.

Sutton was up to ninth

at this point and Ingram

up to 11th by the end

of lap three.

And then Ingram managed to

get ahead of Sutton coming

into I think Brooklin's

lap four.

I have to say this is an

Ingram that we haven't seen

enough of in my opinion,

which was a bit spicy,

a bit spicy.

That was a that was a

Sutton move in many ways.

It was the door is a

little bit open and I'm

going to make it open

even more.

Yeah, we saw Sutton make

some good moves this weekend

down into Brooklin's

with some nice late breaking

moves, but it's sadly an

edge the door open kind of

move.

Perfectly clean,

perfectly fair in touring

car terms, absolutely.

But yeah, I was that's a

sort of move that we've been

saying Ingram has been

avoiding a little bit.

And that was quite

interesting to see with the

lady's got that he was

taking that chance.

Yeah, it almost felt like

he wanted to guarantee as

many points this weekend,

almost with the anticipation

that he could well struggle

at brands.

Well, also think they'll

know that Napa don't go

well.

I mean, it's relative,

obviously, but they'll know

that Napa struggle here

overall.

And he'll know that if

he wants to give us the

best possible opportunity

brand that he did struggle

at brands last year.

Don't forget in race three

where the car was nowhere.

Yeah.

I think it makes sense

that he and also it

wasn't raining as was

forecast brands hatch.

There's normally rain

somewhere in that weekend,

which has a bit of

unpredictability.

So yeah, it makes sense

to make hay when the

sun was shining.

All of that followed a battle

with the two of them

with Charles Rainford.

But Ingram did manage

to come out on top.

And yeah, you said

the Leon struggling on tires

down to eight by the end

of lap six.

And considering where he

started in a BMW,

he thought he would have

gone off into the distance

and managed to take this win

quite comfortably.

Well, at least lead the

opening half of the race

and then maybe get realed

back in as the race went on.

But yeah, so it wasn't

expecting to fall through

the field like this.

Camish following his

exclusion from qualifier

and was really struggling

to make that race.

So he only managed to get up

to 16th by lap eight.

And I don't know he was

on the same tires as many

of the cars around him.

And being in an

acrode, I thought he would

have made more progress

than he did.

Agreed.

Especially seeing what

Sutton then went on

to do in race two.

Yeah.

And I know I'm moan

about Silson being

boring.

So there was

overtaking opportunities

this weekend.

There's a lot of movements

being done through

Max and Beckett.

There's a lot of movements

being done through

Brooklands and then

through the Luffield

section.

Cop's not so much

this weekend.

But there was

overtaking opportunities

this weekend.

And I'm with you,

I'm surprised Cowish didn't

side through the field

a bit more effectively.

Ingram had his own textbook

move this weekend.

That cutback coming out

of Beckett's and getting

that drag down the long

way.

The Givinardi line.

Yes.

Return to the Givinardi line,

which is nice to see.

And I think it was

a combination of being

able to get that high

and low straight as possible

as quick as possible

so you can get that high

and low power down.

But also, I think he

used boost coming out

there quite often

just to make sure he got

the pass done,

which is what he did

on De Leon.

What's your thought

on the boost?

Because for me,

this weekend,

it was too powerful.

Too powerful.

I think there's an incident

race, too, which I will get

to where Sutton was

on the back of Ingram

and then Ingram was boosted

and the gap just

went out like I see.

Yeah, I just thought

that it was too easy

to pass before the corner.

You just drove round.

I think Hill got driven

round by Lloyd on the boost

at one point where

he just literally

just put the foot down.

You've gone.

I just found it too

powerful this weekend.

I do think this weekend,

it certainly showed

how powerful it is.

And if you equate it

to F1 and DRS,

we do have those DRS signs,

especially where they were

this weekend at Baku.

It only comes halfway down

the straight for where you can

use it.

Yeah, that might be a way

that it might be a way of

actually allowing drivers

to be able to get alongside

to make the move,

but still have to do it

under the brakes.

Yeah, because to give

go back a point

and defend Camrys a little bit.

Yes, he's struck to make progress,

but everyone in front of him

had so much more boost

than him.

And that that's straight

in particular, the Wellington

straight.

Yeah, it went straight.

It was so powerful on there

that if you if you were

with a carve out boost,

you were you were snookered.

I was trying to think

of a plight way of putting it.

Sutton managed to get past

the Leon two laps later.

And at this point,

Roboton was actually really

struggling on the median.

Yes, he was getting caught

by Ingram quite quickly,

bearing in mind,

they were on the same tire.

Yeah, Ingram was just going

for as many points as he had.

Absolutely, especially in race

ones.

He managed to get past Roboton

and there wasn't much of a

difference.

Was there disappointed

before?

I mean, look, I'm not

expecting Roboton to eat him

into Kettering's ship.

That would be no,

but he could put up

a pair is kind of defense.

Yeah, you think back

to that famous race

and obviously we'll take

the controversy out of it.

The reason that Max

was ever able to do it

in the first place

is because Perez held

how on up for 11, 12 seconds

ridiculous and gave Max

the chance to get back

into the window.

Yes, we won't discuss

what happened after that.

But without that interaction

from Perez, it doesn't matter

anyway.

And yeah, he was kind of

like a here you go, mate.

Yeah, yeah, the red carpet

on your on your way, mate.

Not quite as brash as the one

where he let Sutton through as

well, putting the indicator on.

No, but bearing in mind

that he knocked Sutton off

the circuit at Donnington,

I'm not suggesting he should

be knocking in people of the

circuit. That's not what I'm

saying. What I am saying is

that I'm amazed

that it was as easy a pass

and it was done in one corner

rather than having

fallen for a couple of

corners and do it a lap

later, etc.

But out front at that point,

everything was fairly calm.

Well, Hill did start to push

on lap 15 to close the gap.

And this was just a case of

balancing off hybrid between

each other and boost.

Sorry, Toca Boost.

And once Hill got a little bit

closer, Lloyd was then able

to deploy his because he had

more of an allocation.

Chilton, half spun

double at Loughield.

The first of the move

that really annoyed.

There were a couple of moves

from in this weekend that

were optimistic

to say the least.

Lazy, in my opinion.

Yeah. Just yeah.

And that ruined Dobble's

rate or Dobble's race as well.

Yeah. You got pushed out of the

points and eventually had to

come into the pits because of

it. I'm assuming something got

bent at the rear.

The move was never on.

I was I was sat at Loughield.

The move was never on, ever.

I know that half said, oh,

they like to cut across the

inside of that curve.

Yeah, that's fine.

But there wasn't even a half

of a curve there.

There wasn't a curve to cut

across because Dobble's

car was there.

Yeah. I'm amazed he has

a good penalty for that as well.

Yeah. Agreed.

Agreed. And then the race finally

came to life and we had a fire.

Yes. Very substantial fire

coming down into Beckett's.

There was smoke coming from the

underside near

near side underside of

Hamilton's Cupra as he came

background onto the Wellington

Strait. There was a significant

amount of flames on the other

side and he actually pulled up

on the left hand side midway

down the straight just to try

and get the car stopped quickly

as possible to get out as

quickly as possible.

And then the car just went up.

Yeah. So obviously, I couldn't

see the car from where I was.

I tell you what, you saw the

smoke and then black.

So, you know, it started white

and then within seconds it had

gone black, accurate, thick.

You could smell it in the

grandsons. I'm not.

And obviously at that point

you can't see it and quite

rightly the TV directors cut

away from it. You naturally

fear the worst because,

we've seen how quickly fire

could take over a car and

obviously you have to get past

the extraction test to be able

to race in the first place.

However, doing that in a

controlled setting where there's

not fire in you compared to

when there is, I think Nick

does it incredibly well to get

out as quickly as he does.

Yeah, credit to him.

He had an interview with

Louise later on in the day

and he said he was actually

fairly calm in that

situation. He knew what he

had to do. He knew how

to best use his body to be

able to get out the car.

Obviously being less able than

the other drivers, he still

has to adhere to the

extraction test that every other

driver has to do and he's

able to pass those because he's

able to race.

And just on that as well, I

know a lot of people only

watch the races and don't

necessarily watch all the

gum in between, but there's

a really good

segment with Nick Hamilton this

weekend about what he has to

go through for a race, what

he has to go through to get

here. And I think

certainly some keyboard warriors

who think he's only on the

grid because Lewis Hamilton

is his relation would do well

to watch that video because

it was an incredibly moving

and inspirational piece to

camera done by Jade Edwards

as well.

Jane Edwards?

I nearly called that a mistake

then.

Obviously it was a former teammate

of his and he looks back at the

Bonnington Park Bridge at the

points and stuff.

But also just how much pain

he puts his body through a

weekend to do this.

And I think that, yeah, it's

well worth watching.

I think it's about 15 minutes

or so.

It's definitely worth a watch

when catching up if you

didn't see it on the day.

He certainly races for the

love of it.

Absolutely.

Do you want to compound

on these issues?

Have a puncture on lap 18?

It's a hell of a spin.

It is a hell of a spin.

No way as well.

Twice as well.

He knows at it.

Yeah.

A rear puncture.

So I don't think it was as a

result of the contact with

Mikey.

Agreed.

But yeah, that put an end to

his race.

Probably.

I don't want to say it, but

probably why he didn't get a

penalty anyway.

I agree with it.

I think that's the same in

race two as well as we

shall get to, which is a

nonsense if that is the case.

But I don't know how he

avoids that.

But also actually, I think

you missed it in this race

where Sutton punted Moffat

quite hard through

Brooklyn's.

I'm surprised he got away

with that.

That was in my mind a push

to pass.

Doesn't bother me.

Who, you know, sometimes

can be accused maybe of

overlooking some of Sutton's

more aggressive stuff.

I was unhappy with that

person.

They had watched it bad

thinking that was a little bit

on the over the edge for me.

And I'm surprised that again,

I don't think we'll see a

clear push to pass all season.

I'm surprised he got away with

it.

So yeah, safety car was

called out due to the fire

underneath Halton's car.

They did struggle at first

to get it under control.

And they had three fire

trucks go out to it.

Do you think it should be

ready for that?

I mean, I don't know

about this podcast a year

long.

I'm surprised it was.

I mean, in hindsight, it was

fine.

But I'm surprised it wasn't

red flagged.

At first, you don't know

you can't necessarily

work out how serious it is.

So Fred flag it and worry

about it later.

But in my mind, that's where

I go.

If you don't, this is the

worst thing that can happen on

a race circuit is a fire.

That's the worst thing that

can happen in a car is that

it's on fire.

I would disagree.

Okay.

I would say if a driver

can't get out of a car.

Yeah.

Obviously, but it doesn't

matter whether this fire or

not.

That is a more.

Yeah.

Extenuating circumstance that

would cause a race to be

red flagged that Nick had

got out.

And then it was just the car

that they had to get under

control.

They had to get the fire

crews out, which they did

in as quickly as they could.

But they could have a quicker

if a circuit was completely

neutralized arguably.

Possibly, possibly, but

but what also if you do

that and then the cars got

under control and you're able

to clear it within a lap

or two.

Then you've got the other

argument of why was the race

stopped.

Yeah, I get that.

But on the flip side, I

think to yourself that if this

had been at the exit of

Brooklyn's and he's in the

gravel, I'd say, yeah,

you can carry on as it's

going.

It was quite close to the

racing circuit.

And it was windy.

It was cold.

Yeah.

All it takes is the wind

to blow on to the cars that

are coming past.

They're still going to be

popping the flames from

the exhaust and stuff.

You could have seen that.

I don't think it's beyond

the road's possibility that

you could have seen another

car go up as it went past

it.

I'm just saying I don't think

you can categorically say

what happened.

I'm just surprised.

The way they were able to get

marshals to the vehicle and

be able to have marshals there

with extinguishers and then

bring the fire trucks out

which had further extinguishers,

they were able to control it

at that time.

But not immediately.

The car, the cars went past

it on fire, at least a lap,

if not two.

So I'm just thinking,

in hindsight, knowing what

we know.

The car was cool pretty

quickly.

Yeah, but knowing what we

know at the end of it,

when nobody else got hurt

and it was all fine, we

were surprised that the

second you see a car that

closed the circuit on fire,

that badly on fire, you

don't just red flag it.

I'm surprised the immediate

call isn't red flag.

We'll worry about the fall

out later.

If we have to defend why

we red flagged it later,

so be it.

I'm just surprised, that's

all.

I don't think it was the

wrong decision because

nothing bad happened

afterwards.

But I'm just surprised if

I was starting to wonder

what actually is a red flag

in the touring cars.

I don't want to see

racist red flag driver.

Let's get that right.

I don't want to see racist

as red flag.

But the second that Porsche

got upside down after hitting

the barrier, it was red flag

pretty much straight away.

Yeah.

To me, the driver was out of

that really quickly.

I know they got to do the

barrier damage and such, but

that's a less serious

incident than what we've seen

there.

That tends to be at the

moment what does cause a red

flag within the touring cars

if there is barrier damage

and there is going to be a

substantial amount of time.

I can see in this

instance they thought they

may well be able to get

the car under control and

then get it moved within

that safety car period.

At this point they still

had, I think, what fall

laps to the end of the race,

these three would have been

added on.

So they eventually, the race

finish under safety car

conditions.

It was another argument for

me because it was under the

safety car, but it was

taking over seven laps to do

it.

Surely you red flag the race,

get it done and then restart

the race.

You can't actually have racing

laps.

I think what they would

have hoped for was to get

it done within those three.

But once you go past that

point.

Red flag it then.

Yeah, but then you don't

get much left.

Yeah.

You're probably too far

away from that race distance

anyway.

Exactly.

Yeah, it's a tricky one.

I'm not criticising

necessarily the direction

that it went.

I'm just personally

surprised that we didn't

see the red for it.

Given the veracity of the

fire as well.

It wasn't just a little

fire.

No, it was fairly substantial.

During this race,

Smiley had a turbo issue

and really struggled to make

progress.

Was that the reason?

Yeah.

I think you mentioned it

on the grid for race two.

I skipped those bits.

But he didn't have an

overall great weekend anyway,

considering what Lloyd was

up to.

Yeah.

So yeah, as I said,

safety car finish,

seven laps, meaning that

I got the point for the

predictions later on.

Yeah.

All done and dusted

in the first race,

unfortunately.

But yeah, that's

how they finish.

Yep.

So it was Dan Lloyd in

first from Jake Hill.

Gorn Shedden would be

happy with the podium.

He had saved a load of

boost for the end of the

race but was

unable to use it.

I'm slightly disappointed

because that would have

been a better way to

finish the race, obviously.

But for all three of

those drivers,

they are amazing results.

Senator Proctor

Biff, again, that new

engine helped him out.

Just to say as well,

he has been given a

10-point penalty

for the new engine change.

That is the only penalty

from the weekend.

That is the only penalty

from the weekend

to bring to you.

Adam Moffitt,

really side result in sixth.

Tom Ingram in seventh

cruised ahead of Sutton

in eighth.

Dan Robottom in ninth.

Morgan rounding out

the top turn of Aaron

Taylor-Smith,

Dan Kamish,

Dowder Leon,

Charles Rainford and Chris

Smiley making up

the points of

paying positions.

Yeah.

So we move on to

race number two now then.

We're going back

and diligently

because I just love the

podcast and love the

listeners so much.

Watched all the

races and made notes

for race two.

I had notes for all of them

though.

Yeah, yeah.

Just makes a change.

It does make a change.

Did you enjoy it?

You must feel so much

happier.

Do you know what?

Watching it live

and trying to make notes

was quite difficult.

Especially watching it

on my own

because at least

if we're watching it

together and I'm making

notes, you can point

out bits that I might

have missed.

So watching it on

the podcast bit.

Very good.

Right.

Race two there were

rattled through it

because I can't believe

we're already at half hour

point.

But there's a bit

a lot to talk about.

So the highest

soft car on this race

was Tom Ingram.

Sutton went

from media which was

against the advice

of the team.

Very much against

the advice of the team

and he was

very much like

just trust me

on this one.

Let me try it.

Yeah, absolutely.

And he's

kind of driver that

you gave.

Absolutely.

So he was into the pits

with an issue at the end

of lap one.

Just a weekend.

There I say

a season to forget

for Kamish.

I'm going to come to that

a bit later on.

A weekend to forget

for him.

He's not been particularly

strong, has it?

He went off the line

very well

and was able to

get into first

at back hits

with a decent move

on the brakes

on Dan Lloyd.

Fairly standard stuff

BMW is good

in its first lap.

Ingram was

into third by

Luffield.

I was in absolute

spaceship mode.

He just passed

every car.

He passed through everyone

and yeah.

Yeah,

Ingram was

into second

and then into first.

I mean,

Hill did at least

put up a bit of a fight

which was nice

for him to concede

and try and make it

difficult.

But I mean

the tire offset,

the boost offset

and the car offset

the

Sutton did

try to follow

him through

and certainly on that

I managed to get up

to fifth position

but I found

that Lloyd struggled

quite early on

when you see Ingram

coming as well.

Yeah,

it's difficult

because obviously he's there

to fight for himself

with his own sponsors

but equally

don't upset the team

you buy the car from

either.

So it's a little bit of that

although I don't think

he made it

it wasn't an indicator

pass

but that way.

No,

certainly not.

But also

why would you bother

wasting your fight

and your race fight

and someone that's

clearly going to

finish ahead of you

anyway.

I've written

a very dull pass

just drives by.

For me

it's just highlights

how strong it was this weekend.

More traction, more boost

and yeah

wouldn't really

fight it too much

at the end.

Sutton kind of woke up

a little bit and realised

that if he wanted to keep

the championship going

he was going to have to

do a few moves

and he

you said about Ingram

and a trademark move

Sutton had one as well

which was

to lunge as late

as possible into

Brooklyn.

Under control I have to say

it wasn't always

it was a very max

I don't think I ever

had a good pass

on Lloyd.

I think it's very

probably caught him napping

and then on lap eight

would napping.

Sorry.

Very good.

On lap eight

we saw for the second time

this weekend

a daft move

at Luffield

by

Shelton

down his suspension

in his car.

He's one way to put it

yeah.

Try to dive up

the inside

got it wrong

collapsed his

suspension

very, very avoidable.

It turns out

the back of that

BMW is quite strong

because it was

crashed

however you want to

phrase it

launched

but yes

first contact broke the

suspension and then

he thought he'd have a little nibble

when he can actually

steer anywhere as well.

I will say

he took it in good grace

he came in front of the

Grand Sander did a bow

in front of us

so that was quite good

good sport

but

I mean

for a driver of that caliber

and actually I said

to my partner

who was with me this weekend

not you my other partner

my other partner

yeah

that in my view

this is why he hasn't

has never been a touring car champion

because he

for me he just lacks that

clever bit of racecraft

that

finesse

Simon and Ingram don't make that move

no

they wait

and that I think that's why

Turkin didn't make

doesn't make that move

no

Matt Newton didn't make any moves

well no

Matt Neil did

but I mean he had a

tight tank

so it didn't really count

and Plato made that move

which is why he didn't win as much

as he probably should have done

yeah

Rainford was actually in a

battle with Morgan

and Moffett before that

down in Tobekitz

and then

Morgan managed to

boost back past them as well

yeah

to recover the car

we needed a safety car

which

only a couple laps

and on the restart

a very good

and controlled restart

as you'd expect

it did give Ash the chance

to sort of

go after Hill though

which is what he needed

I have to say

I'm not sure he was getting

to Hill

without the safety car

possibly not

so

that gave the chance

we saw again

his trademark move

yep

he needed to pull

Morgan on the restart

managed to run into the back

of him

teammates

running into your team mate

he did a damn robot

and he flipped his bonnet

I always love it when that

happens

it's always good fun

isn't it

here he came in

did you see how hard the

mechanics were

really trying to work

to pull that pin

straight

I also loved

I think it was

Sam Riches

if it wasn't

it was something from

Tobekitz

sort of leaning over

watching everything

just

enjoyed that immensely

it's not good enough yet

yep

come on

very very good indeed

and he was the next

in that group on the soft

do you know what

my notes for this

saying

he just quietly

crept up

through the field

went through his business

he didn't do anything

rash or anything

out of the ordinary

he just made up places

agreed

on lap 16

Sutton got past Hill

to save that

late lunge into Brooklyn

again a fair

late lunge

no problems with that

at all

and Osborn went

for a little bit

of Tokyo drifting

after Dili on the side

that he wanted to

side swipe him

good car control

and actually Osborn

I think

we'll get to it

had another good weekend

where he showed

good car control

good race craft

and quietly went about

his business

Smiley's

interesting weekend

continued

10 second penalty

for track limit violations

one of many

and Ingram

actually got a warning

in this race

got quite a flag

and he was

sort of like

right on the limit

in a race

where he didn't need

to be as well

it reminded me

a little bit of

do you remember

it was a new set of softs

leave it mate

and there you go to the

set of the fastest lap

alright Max calm down now

yeah very much

I don't know whether

it's because of the contact

as well but proper to

manage to drop

all the way back to 17

yes he didn't

have a particularly good race

either

road bottom then on lap 23

had a problem

with his car

had to retire so

another poor weekend

just for Napa

generally at Silverstone

they just cursed here

and then Aaron Tanya Smith

would finish eventually

forth

I've got here that

one more lap

and he's on the podium

because he had

he was looking really sharp

really quick

and as you say

there were other

penalties that were

brought out

so Smiley Proctor

and Patterson

Patterson as well did he

all got penalties

for track limits

towards the end of the race

which actually meant

that Buxton got

promoted into the point

as did Halstead

Halstead got a point

Halstead got 14th I believe

I wondered why

on the air

wow

there you go

very good indeed

in the end

it was a very comfortable

victory for Tom Ingram

from Ash Satin

from Jake Hill

I say Aaron Tanya Smith

good drive from him

siphoning through the field

getting himself into fourth

Charles Rainford

a quiet 5th

they kind of

shocked me and I'm red

oh Rainford a 6th

he was also on a soft tyre

yeah yeah

but one of those again

quietly went about his business

and did the job well

Lloyd I think did well

to hold himself in 6th

on the medium tyre

did well there

again Shedden did

very well to hold

7th

Moffett in 8th

good weekend for him

overall I have to say

Josh Cook Knight

Dowardly on rounding out

the top turn

Nick Houten and Chris Smiley

all taking points as well

the championship is

I've written here

it's done

with that one from Ingram

it's done

it is done

and then

number 12 was pulled

from the

bowl

which

promoted Sam Osborne

on to pole

yeah

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Alright then

Race 3

it's been a long one

so far hasn't it

it has

but a lot happened this weekend

yeah and even more

happened before

the start of

Race 3

as you said

Osborne took

pole position

with a reverse grid

with Mikey Doble

on the front row

however

De Leon

from the second row

came to the grid

with an issue

it's a very large

issue

quite a large issue

yeah to be honest

it's a very large

issue

it's a very large

issue

yeah it's an issue

that he had not

felt before

which is a

stunned me

when you find out

what the issue was

yes true

you see that who's playing it

very cool

yeah yeah

so it turns out

the BMW

sounded like

it had a broken

driveshaft

on the way to the grid

so they were

trying to work as

ferociously

as they could on the grid

to get this sorted

before the start of the race

unfortunately

they ran out of time

and he had to

push the car

from the grid

though that caused

he probably should have done

he got stuck on a lip

on the side of the circuit

yes he did

he did

but yeah

they did manage to get the cars

all off onto their formation

lap while the

BMW mechanics

tried to get the car sorted

and he did actually

make it out

I think a couple of laps

after the race started

what was quite interesting

was that

Dick Bennett's

was the

who's the

WSR team principal

was the

what do you call it

the delivery person

for tools

he was going between

the other cars on the grid

the other WSR cars

delivering tools

and he did say on the grid

that he wasn't even aware of the issue

he was in a meeting

I wonder who that was with

and then came out onto the

onto the circuit

to find out that this was a problem

so he

immediately started to become

the courier for tools

between the other teams

on the other

BMWs on the grid

yes

and that's not where the issue

stopped for Dillon

he actually got

given a 30 second penalty

because

it was either

having

people working on the car too late

on the grid

or it was because

he went through a red light

at the end of pit lane

I wasn't quite sure

so I mean 30 seconds

it's a lot

normally it's a drive through

isn't it for

being late off the grid

so maybe it was a

it's quite possible

or maybe they just combined the two

I have to say

I hate the fact that

if you're late working on the grid

you get such a large penalty

compared to

you can basically

take the mickey out of track limits

all weekend

and get a 5 second penalty

or 10 second penalty

or we jump a start

yeah exactly

you can jump a start

and be fine

no it's drive through

for jump a start isn't it

there were

it's an F1 you get

no it's true

it's no fun

if you actually can jump a start

and get a 5 second penalty

which doesn't matter

because he eats it into a wall

but yeah

that's apparently going to be carried over

to the next race

no it's not

because it's under 10 seconds

that's what the P1 boys

were saying today

is that anything under 10

doesn't get carried over

okay fair enough

there were significant amount of drivers

on soft tyres

for this race

including Osborne

on the front row

Sutton reduced his soft tyre

in this race as well

as Buxton

Halstead

Robot on Camish

Patson Morgan

and Chilton

a lot of which

at the back of the grid

looking to make good progress

to come through the field

Rainford made a good start

to the race

and

of course we didn't back in this weekend

yeah I know

that's typical isn't it

yeah

well done by the way

Lloyd was

assisted off

shall I say

assisted

at Beckett's

courtesy of

I believe

two Toyota's

it looks

Arantailer-Smithy to me

it looked

like someone got into

Arantailer-Smith

but I think it might have been

shredded

oh okay I thought it was shed

I think it was one of them

I think it was

because he finished second

in the end

so I think it was

honestly can't remember

but yes

two Toyota's

assisted Lloyd

off

Exit stage left

quite quickly

he's not allowed to have a good weekend

or he gets three

very strong points

that's not allowed

which consequently

meant that

Hill, Sutton and Ingram

all made up

five places

on the opening lap

in other news

Halstead went into the pits

Osborne

by this point

and

a good lead

and

Moffitt was challenging

Mikey Doble

I have to say

given that your prediction

was that Doble podium

and what I put on the line

you were worried, weren't you?

I hadn't really

I hadn't really clocked

he was on the second row

until they came to the grid

it was like

front row

sorry I hadn't really clocked

that until

they were on the formation

I said to Nadia

oh dear

and then I was like

what tire is he on

I thought

when they were going to the grid

I thought

has he used this

he hasn't used his stuff

I bet you were at that point

yeah I was

slightly disappointed

to find out that he was

on a medium tire

I've never cheered so loud

when Moffitt got through

he did fall back through

through the field

Moffitt getting in

first of all

and then Sutton

and then Hill

Sheddon

and Aaron Taylor-Smith

had also fallen

through the field

they were on medium tire

and that Toyota

seemed to really

struggle on the medium tire

in that race

in particular

well you say that

but Cook was on medium

and he got a podium

so I think

they just struggled

in the pack a little bit

this week

when they got back there

yeah

by lap 7

Sutton was up to third

looking quite good

quite racy

Ingram and Hill

had a really good fight

which Roboton

then also joined in on

being on that soft tire

and they all sort of

shuffled themselves about

and Ingram came out worst

for a while

we had that battle

for a while

for a little while

Hill managed to get back

through on Roboton

because he'd managed

to overtake both of them

where they both run wide

but yeah

it was going to be a very bright

it was sort of Ingram

and you say Hill

battling ran a little bit

wider

sorry Roboton just

popped himself

through which

a lot of good opportunistic

move

Osborne

Cook was closing in

but at no point

did I feel like

Osborne had to go

majorly defensively

no agreed

he just drove a very

good race

lap after lap

he was putting

good sensible laps

where he didn't

really make any

informed mistakes

there were no lockups

I don't know

it was an unloaded rear wheel

into becket

I think cold as well

I think part of it

will be cold tires

because there's a lot of

lockups or smoke

should we say

through that part of the

corner

a circuit

but Cook was

slowly closing in

and you could definitely

see the laps where

Cook had used

TTB

compared to where

Osborne was using it

as well

Ingram finally got past

Roboton

as Roboton ran out

of his TTB

and it really

did hamper him

he made no more

and actually started

falling back

and then that was finally

compounded by a

10 second penalty

4 track limits

for Roboton

in a weekend

he probably wants to

forget especially

with how

how close

and how quickly

Hill has managed

to catch both him

and Cammie

Hill I think

will get third in the

championship

which I think will be

a hammer blow

from

give us

Mr weekend

and Napa

and BMW

let's be honest

have been dreadful

for

all three of the rounds

I think

if Hill gets third

Cook did

make a mistake though

on that 20

at Luffield

he managed to lock up

run wide

which then let

Osborne get away basically

and once Osborne

saw this opportunity

made the most of it

he had enough boost

left

and he was able

to almost extend

that lead

towards the end

Moffitt finally

had a

lock up

which let Hill come

through

and then

more penalties

towards the end of the race

again for Shedden

and Proctor

just one of that

from the end

you think

it's not worth it really

considering how much time

he gets here

added on

in a touring car race

that drops you

hell of a long way back

it does

but yeah

an Osborne

win

yes

from

a really well taken win as well

it wasn't like

he just

lucked his way into it

once he took

we've seen him have

pulled before

and by that

end of that one

he's fallen through

exactly whereas

this was a commanding

he really did

as you said

at no point

looked under

any real pressure

he's always looked

a lot more comfortable

so it was

I think it's a track

that he enjoys

but it's not necessarily

a track

that an Apple Car goes

well out

but yeah

he looked

really competent

in this win

and

credit to him

absolutely

so as you say

Osborne took the win

from Cook

who was on the

it's a good third

from Ash

but it's a bad third

and so far as he was

on the soft tie

and he never got close

to them

and in some ways

I'm glad he didn't

because

do you think Cook

would have let him through

no

I'm thinking

what would they do about

Osborne

do you take his first win

off him for certain

yeah true

so in a way

I'm glad he didn't get there

because that

what a horrible

and I think

Napper a little bit more

ruthless and virtuous

and I think

they would have potentially

possibly

out of that

nobody wins

nobody wins out of it

so in some ways

I'm glad certain

wasn't able to get there

but I'm surprised

that he wasn't

this be honest

he never put any pressure

on Cook at all

Cook was able to

sort of drive

a really aggressive race

on the medium time

Jake Hill fourth

really good weekends

from him

Ingram fifth

just doing what he needs

to do isn't he

Moffat sixth

so that's three

very good finishes

yeah did really well

indeed

Adam Morgan

good recovery

from obviously

a good night

again good recovery

driving back with the grid

Mikey Doble finishing

in tenth

with Aaron Taylor Smith

Rainford proctor

Robotton and Patson

making up the

points

paying positions

which was

good for them

we'll get into

our awards first of all

well should we just

do a quick title

update for where

that leaves

everything

yeah so Ingram manages

to extend his lead

in the title

by one

singular point

this weekend

so he's got a

33 point

weekends

I just

this is the thing

that's killing me the most

camera is just

back to third

on 275

he's now

only four clear

of Hill on 271

and Hill is now

I can't do much

very quickly

but he's got

a decent

gap over Robotton

who's back on 257

that is

it's 14 points

thank you

monument left

it by Hill

that is really

really impressive

he needed a weekend

like this

we know

obviously how

good a weekend

the fact is

Alliance Ford

back on top

it's tight

by a point

from Virtue

and BMW

they're nowhere near

that

in the teams

Napa are now on

700

Team Virtue

on 697

so again

quite close there

the independence

drivers

what a weekend

this was for Dan Lloyd

he's now

top of the

rankings by

five points

over Mikey Doble

smiling

dreadful weekend

for him

he's now dropped

13 points

off the top

really hurting this weekend

he's going to struggle

but

restart as a team

have managed to

take home

provisionally

independence team

title

as you say

provisionally

and the jack says

Darryl De Leon

he came

with his weekend

a point also ahead

he's extended

that over

Rainford

so he's on

417

Rainford's on

409

even though

Rainford took

the weekend

that's what

he would have extended

that lead

continuing Rainford's

the winner for the jack says

this weekend

it's all about the places

though isn't it

because Osborne

would have won race 3

we probably should

do the maths

off there

I can only go

with what they've said

on here

which is that

De Leon's on

417

and Rainford's on

409

I can only go

with what they've

given me

I think

Rainford has closed

the gap

but it's minimal

absolutely minimal

I'm sure it was

worried about that

another time

so yeah that leaves

the jack

and then the wing foot

sorry just to

quickly cover

Camish is really disappointed by this

because he doesn't think

he's going to

catch Ingram now

no

134

for Ingram

118

for Camish

yeah I think

Camish would need to

take pole

and Ingram

would need to be

out the points

14

for Camish

to take that

so

it might happen

it's unlikely to

right

people go back to their lives

we agree on a couple of

we do indeed

we struggled

didn't we

the driver

because nobody had

a standout weekend

until you sort of

until I saw a

social media

poster for

actually

you have had a standout weekend

look back at the positions

yeah and with

Hill scoring a

second the third

and a fourth

and where

he's now bounced back to

in that

race for third

in the championship

I think he certainly

deserves

driver

a weekend

I completely agree

number so that's fine

excluding from qualifying

not necessarily his fault

but

as a team

you need to work together

not making

much progress

in race one

because you've got

less boost

and on the medium tyre

we saw how well

Sutton ran on the

medium tyre

yes he had more boost

but was able to do

a lot better with it

I believe

and then

obviously having that issue

as well

it's just a weekend

to forget for him

agreed I've gone for

Sutton purely because

he's driven into people

yeah his weekend

was sabotaged

by none other than

Tom Jilton

yeah I think that

when you've got

such a close

championship battle

in terms of your teams

and your manufacturers

and you've got

the other guy

struggling in Camish

what's the best thing

you can do

I'll struggle with him

it's very much

Lando

Lando's had a slow

stop Oscar

can you please move out

the way

it didn't

it didn't capitalise

certainly didn't

surprise good

I've gone for Lloyd

yeah I can see that

I wasn't seeing Lloyd

winning a race this weekend

nope I agree

and if it weren't for

obviously his difficulties

in the final race

of the weekend

where he was

extricated by a Toyota

I think it would have been

a really successful weekend

for him

and

it feels like

his season's coming

back to a really

nice point

and a really good point

towards the end of the day

yeah particularly

he can go on to win the

independence

season so it's a weekend

defeated

agreed I've gone for

Toyota with the new

engines obviously

and Buxton did pretty well

to score points anyway

to be fair to him

but those three

I mean they must be

wondering why didn't we

do this sooner

but where would Toyota

have been in the championship

I know

because

you know Shedden

since that engine

has gone in

is a different driver

and he

obviously took the win

on the old engine

we know about the track

conditions that helped him

do that

but since that's gone in

he's been a different

driver

as staying for next season

we know Toyota

have had this history

of shopping and

changing drivers

quite often

we've seen a couple of

different drivers

come in to the team

this season

will they still

keep cook

for next year

don't know

depends how other things

develop

there are certainly

rumours surrounding

Aaron Taylor Smith

he's helped fewer

than himself

yes

as to whether

he will be staying

or not

I would suggest

probably not

but if Toyota

can keep hold

a former three-time champion

it was a little while ago

but he's getting back

to some sort of racing

that we would expect him

to be competing in

cook Aaron Taylor Smith

and Shedden

look different drivers

since that new engine

has gone in their car

and say

if you're Toyota

you just must be

I mean I'm not suggesting

they could have beaten

Ingram or something

as a title but I mean

I think they'd have

a couple of race wins

under their belts

for sure

certainly

your surprise

good

oh you've done that

sorry it's my surprise

bad now

Tony Dan's

Dan Hamish

and Dan Robottom

both had really poor weekends

okay problems with the car

I think they didn't look fast

particularly throughout the weekend

I don't think we had the chance

to help certain out

by defending a bit more

aggressively they didn't do it

again I'm not suggesting

they punt the driver

angle off the track

that's not what I'm suggesting

but I'm just thinking

that again

I've raised the point

before you go back

to Brands Hatch last year

and what helped

he'll win the title

was Colin Turgerton

driving in that

and making it

impossible for Ingram

to get past him

and just saying

no I'm going to pop this

on the apex

you've got to do something

special boy

and Ingram didn't need

anything special

to get past him this weekend

yep

I've gone for Smiley

because

yeah I understand that

feeling

or seeing what Lloyd

has done this weekend

showed what that car

could have done this weekend

and generally throughout

this season

Smiley has been

the better of the two

drivers

I think he'll be really

disappointed with how

this weekend's fallen

for him

especially where it now

puts him

in the independence drivers

title

I completely agree

let's rattle through

these predictions

and go for some tea

is that because

I've taken more points

no it's because

there were now about

seven hours into this

podcast

and to be fair

the main predictors

are very easy to do

we've both got one right

which was a winner

for Ingram

everything else was wrong

you went for Morgan

for pole

only for a robot

and both were

nowhere near it

my race winners

were Ingram,

Morgan and Smiley

and Charles

you're welcome

we didn't go for you in the

Jack Sears

I was Ross Bourne

and somehow

from your maths

so we might need to

check that given the score

on the championship

it's just typical

how that has happened

although we will

there'll be a student

we never seem to get

the Jack Sears

there will be a

students enquiry

into the point

so to make sure

we've definitely got

that one

correct

in terms of the general

predictions

I went for

Kamyshark score

Sutton

and to be honest

45 plus clear

in the weekend

I thought Sutton was going to

have a stinker

in some ways he did

but not enough

to make that prediction

come in

and I had Cook

to outscore

Lloyd and Doble

so just on that

Cook scored 35

Lloyd scored 31

Doble scored 11

33

showing you're

all right with you

33

so Cook

just sneaked that in

for me

which was very helpful

indeed

I kind of wish it

gone for them

combined now

and I saved

to kind of

yeah Ingram score

40 plus points this weekend

it was close

and you thought

it might be

it was a little close

and I thought it would be

but yeah

taking that win

obviously fastest lap

and a leading lap

really helped towards

that

42

we had Shedden

and Aaron

Taylor Smith score

both 20 plus points

this weekend

although it

only just

Taylor Smith

in that final race

where Taylor Smith

took five points

taking up to 23

for the weekend

Double podium

we've already spoken

about

didn't quite happen

I thought it might

have done

if he was going to be

on a soft tyre

but yeah

that's how the

cookie crumbles

and

thank you

and

safety car laps

there were

so many

I think there are

12

for this weekend in total

and won that quite easily

so in the prediction

table

which is the most

important thing now

Ingram has won the

championship

is that you now

have a

three point gap at the

top

well

let us know

yeah

now

what you want

our final

prediction of the year

to be

our special one

let us know

down in the comments

post it on our social

media

messages privately

if you want to

and we'll pick the

best one

for the final weekend

because I think

having something

completely independent

is going to be

the best way

to decide it

you're absolutely right

there are

of course

four, five, six, seven,

eight

for the

special

so potentially

12 points available

so three

is not insurmountable

no it's certainly not

and we have seen

bigger swings than that

this season already

so we'll have to see

what Brands Hatch

brings

we'll be watching that

on the sofa together

and we're bringing you

a preview to that

there at the time

yeah

if you

want to let us know

down in the comments

who was your driver

of the weekend

how you think

the final race weekend

is going to

pan out

and let us know

any other thoughts down in the comments

until then

until we speak again

rather

goodbye

bye bye

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