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SILVERSTONE REVIEW BTCC 2025
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About this episode
The Silverstone Review dives deep into the penultimate weekend of the BTCC season, highlighting the unique challenges faced during the races. Key discussions include the surprising performance of drivers, the return of Jason Plato as a team owner, and the implications of mental health awareness in motorsport. The episode covers race strategies, tire choices, and notable incidents, including a significant fire and controversial penalties. With insights from attendees and analysis of driver performances, this review offers a comprehensive look at the weekend's events and their impact on the championship.
Topics:
silverstone review
jason plato return
mental health awareness
race strategies
tire choices
driver performances
penalties
incidents
championship implications
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Hello, and welcome back to the British Touring Car Podcast. We're back once again to review
the penultimate weekend of the season at Silverstone, which you were in at.
I was, and can I just say, as a matter of fact, it was dry. That Sunday, it was normally quite
down on Silverstone. There was a heck of a lot there this weekend. I have to say, there's
a lot of free bits and pieces as well. I'm going to get to some of that in the Plato
stuff we'll discuss in a moment. But actually, as a weekend, it was very good. It was
emptier than I've seen Silverstone, I think it's fair to say. There were seats available
in the Grandstand, quite a lot of seats available in the Grandstand for every race.
It seemed a little bit spinny. When you sent me the prize of the ticket, I thought, ooh,
I've heard reports as well that went up to 50 on the Friday night and on the gate, but
I'd not be able to verify that because I'd bought my tickets ahead of time. Well, I will
say the program was only a fiver, and it was a high quality program of more, in
my opinion, more interesting content in it than you get elsewhere. Yeah, I was
pleasantly surprised. I actually thought the racing was pretty good this weekend
as well. If not at the front, there were some good backpacks in the field, wasn't
it? Just touring cars or support races as well, because I know you struggled with
support races. Yeah, I mean, I found a little bit, yeah, they were fine. I didn't
watch them all perfectly because I met up with some friends and I met up with
another podcaster as well, so I had a chat with him. I met up with an old
friend who was there as well this weekend, so I did do a little bit of
socializing between races. The support I saw was fine. I didn't see any of
the F4s. There was a big incident in the Porsche. Yeah, so very quickly on
that lap, one of the poor sprint, he just lose all his own on rear tires and
then flew off into the barrier quite a lot of speed and as soon as he hit the
barrier, the car went up on his roof, so very quick red flag and a lengthy
delay where they had to fix, obviously, and make sure the barriers were safe
to race. That's being moved to Brandt's Hatch. They're going to run
that presumably on the Saturday at Brandt's Hatch. Again, time table
allowing that is the plan for that. But yeah, overall, a good weekend, a
lot there. Getting out of the car park was a disgrace. You also said you
parked quite a long way. I was wrong. I was wrong. Okay. I was wrong. They put us
behind Luffield in that little grass area, which is with that was fine. But again,
just getting out. I don't understand why as particularly at Silverstone,
there was nobody there to just do a little bit of policing because it's
such a big expanse as well as the infrastructure is there to do F1
weekend. So how's the cope on F1 weekends? Because it took a good, I
mean, 20 minutes by all accounts, getting out of a race isn't that
bad. However, at Silverstone, you expect to get out pretty quickly
and easily because there are so many exits, but there was no signs showing
you where the exits were. So yeah, anyway, that's that. That's Silverstone
in the nutshell. I did have a good weekend or a good Sunday overall. Did
you enjoy the sofa?
Yeah, it wasn't too bad. Actually, I'm quite warmer than I was. Yeah, I
quite enjoyed the creature comforts at home. I was able to watch the F1
and some of the football alongside the racing weekend. So yeah, it wasn't
too bad.
Good stuff. Right. Well, before we get into the actual review, there was
some big news at the top of the program on Sunday involving a
certain Jason Plater.
Yeah, there was a little bit of speculation around what it may be
because he was teasing bits and pieces on Twitter or X or whatever
you call it nowadays, about an announcement coming. And there
were rumors, I think you heard rumors of possibly either coming
back to the series or coming back to even like a commentary
role.
Well, he did. He put a picture on Twitter on social media of
his old racing boots. Yes. How about we get these dusted off
then immediately think, okay, he's going racing, obviously,
since he left the grid some three years ago, I don't think he's
on anything. If he has done stuff, it's been very sporadic and
sparse. But obviously, there were some reasons for that. And
just as a trigger warning, we are going to be discussing some
topics around mental health, which obviously came out in the
later interview. But yeah, he's coming back as a team owner,
which I think he's really exciting for the sport,
actually, because this is somebody that I said to you in
the text when you asked me about it, because you very
candidly asked, well, Mr. Galby happy about this. I
think he will because this place that gets Bums on
Seats is as simple as that he will get Bums on Seats. And
there's also if you're a documentary person, certainly
story and this isn't a Jason player returning to try and
take a touring car team to Oldswood Glory.
Yeah, very much the story behind it. And I think he
would like that narrative as well. Almost coming back,
especially with what he went on to talk about in the
interview that you had with Louise, what he's come
back from to going to it very much shows me that
his life needs a purpose. And that he wants to find
this purpose once again within racing. And yes, it's
not going to be necessarily, but he hasn't denied it
yet. Not going to be as a driver, but as a he said,
he has a team owner. He said he wouldn't be driving
the car in the Louise interview, which we shall
see how long that goes on for. Obviously, at the
minute, we've got no idea for various reasons, he
can't tell us the car, the drivers, anything that
we do know that from his own words, and he's
looking to bring two huge sponsors, never been
in motorsport before. So if you've got shares in
gin, that'd be my guess.
But it's sounding very much like it's going to be a
two car setup. What cars they use, we don't know.
He's looking like there's going to be further
announcements with that towards the end of
October. So once the season is all done and
dusted with and the dust has settled, but
there's certain rumors popping around already
within the puzzle as to who those drivers
could well be.
Well, as rumors today that I'm not going to
go into about what cars he might have bought,
I should talk to you off air on that. You've
probably seen the same. And we're not going to
get in the room and mill here because this is
there's so much. So much here.
I think what's more important at this stage,
if we focus on the actual other side of the
play to interview is where this larger than
life character who's always a bit happy, go
lucky, admitted very openly to Louisa. He
had been struggling, hadn't left the house
for six months, and obviously had suffered
some problems in his personal life with
marriage and TV work and stuff. And actually
this weekend at Silverstone, there's a
lot of mental health stuff around. So you
could get your hair cut free. It was
called having to start the conversation
probably need that.
You should probably come to that. Yeah, I
mean, to try and encourage people to get
your talk and go talk to the barber,
except there's a mental men's mental
health charity out there. And I think
it is just always important to reiterate
that if you are struggling with your
mental health, and let's be honest, the
world is at times a terrible place.
If you will go tricky, that's
tricky at the moment. That's more
diplomatic. It's a tricky place to be.
There is absolutely no shame in seeking
help. I myself have gone through some
mental problems in the past. I feel
very able to talk about them now having
come out the other side. But yeah, if
you are struggling, there are a lot of
charities out there. There's obviously
your friends and family. If you think
you can talk to them, if you feel you
can't talk to them, and say there's
lots of charities, you've got mine,
you've got the campaign against living
miserably, you've got Samaritans.
There's a lot of places you can go
for help. And if you are someone
that's worried about somebody in your
life who you think isn't quite doing
alright, just ask them okay and make
sure you're asking again. Yeah,
always ask twice because lots of men
out there would always go, oh yeah,
I'm fine. Yeah, fuck it off. And
actually, I don't know if you've
probably haven't seen Brighton
Hovey Alvin Football Club put out a
fantastic video this weekend about
again, the knowledge on a couple of
years ago of that scarf on the
seat. Sadly, I mean, we can only
talk as men. Men don't seem to
talk about this enough. And all we
can do is encourage that if you
are struggling, regardless of your
gender, but particularly if you're a
man, because we tend to hide it
the most, make sure that you don't
bullet up and you get the help that
you need. Yeah, it was interesting to
see him speak so freely about the
place that he'd got to. And as I
said, I think this is very much a
purpose for him going forward and
something that he can concentrate
or focus on. And sometimes that's
something you need when you're
having mental health struggles.
But yeah, I think it'll be good to
see him back. Oh, absolutely. Back
in the paddock and in the stewards
bus. And it'll be interesting to
see what team has now he might
bring with him what drivers he's
going to look to bring in whether
he's going to do a combination of
young or old. What cards are you
going to bring? Put your thoughts
about that down in the comments.
And obviously, once the season is
over, we will speculate a little
bit more. Yeah, we'll get more
information about ways to bring
you the news as soon as it
breaks for that one. And this
or holiday, because it's going to
be a big one. Unless one of us
has a holiday book, so you might
be doing that. So that'll be
fine. Right. So we actually jump
into the action then on the
Saturday, which is where qualifying
happened. And there's a lot to
get through this weekend. So it
will crack through it quite
quickly. It was a qualifying
session that had some rain
attached to it. And we did see
the title drizzle. Yeah, drizzle
it was certainly made the track
slippery. Yes, agree. Certainly
not so agreed. It was a difficult
one for setup. And we saw both
Dan Kamish and Tom Chilton fail
post ride height checks for
their initial qualifying. And
the first session to get out
of their disqualified from that
but back in the grid. Yeah,
so Chilton was actually
disqualified for damage. He
had the exhaust side running
too low, whereas Kamish was
failure at the front. Yeah. I
know they run their cars close
to the limit. Obviously you
can't account too much for
Chilton's you may run over a
curb or something like that. But
you'd like to think a team like
Napa, if you're going lower at
the front, you need to be within
those restrictions. It's
difficult as well because they'll
be presumably going out on a wet
setup of slick tires or a dry
setup with wet tires. And we
know that if the problem with
the wet tires are, and it's the
same in most in all motorsport
is that if the track isn't wet
enough, they wear hella quickly
and that then naturally lowers
the height of the car. So it's a
tricky one because then we
don't have an intermediate in
touring cars. And it's this
sort of thing that makes you
think, well, perhaps it should
be sent that should be
considered maybe because it
wasn't wet enough for full
weights, but it wasn't dry
enough for dry. We go back
to the era where you could
have, well, different on front
and rear, you know, for well
that's sort of that I'd
absolutely like to be. We
also saw that both Ingram
and Sutton struggling in their
respective sessions, they both
didn't get into the top six
shootout. Both of them were
actually put in that down to
the top of turbo boost that
they get because of how many
straights there are at
Silverstone, it's a very
speedy or orientated track. And
they say this is where it's
hurt them. There's only two
breakings. And isn't there
you got the intermaggots and
beckets. And then you've got
Luffields the first
corner. Yeah, the first
corner is flat or a lift off.
It's not necessarily a
breaking zone. And if not,
you just run 16 miles
wide anyway. And if you say
you then got the Dorito that
is the corners and Dorito
has three long straights. So
yeah, it's not broken up in
the packet. Anyway, so in
the end, well, the Ingrams
rather could only get
himself into 14. Let's
give Sutton a glimmer maybe
but she could unfortunately
could not take, which was
him finishing 12. So in the
end, Ingram probably got the
way of this one. He seemed
to really struggle in that
second part of qualifying
did certain and even when
he was lapping towards the
end, I thought, one of
these laps, he's going to
kind of put something in
decent, but he was a long
way off. I think he
struggled all weekend. The
car just didn't seem to be
there. And he did say, I
think for our points, the
weekend that this is the
track they struggled with
the most for some reason.
Yeah. Even you think
back to when they were
dominating, they didn't
take pole with this track
was the only track they
didn't take pole that. So
on this particular
occasion, it was Dowder
Leon who got his first
pole of the of his
Korean, his first pole of
the season. Gordon Shedden,
he's always good in these
conditions. He just it's
that head, it's that wise
head that gets you through
finished second. Jake Hill,
a really good effort with
the BMW in those
conditions, particularly
BMW looked quite strong
at the end. I was quite
surprised, especially with
how well Moffitt and
Rainford did as well. So
then as a team,
Dan Lloyd in fourth,
Josh Cook, who was running
the new engine this
weekend. So only bucks
and running the old one
finish in fifth and
proctor six, a little
bit disappointing, maybe
because he's very good at
getting into the top
six. And it doesn't really
do anything when he's there
kind of thing. Perhaps a
little bit harsh, but I
think once you once you
see him and was
preconditioned to think
that Hyundai is so good
that you just expect it to
be on the front row. And
again, it wasn't.
Yep. So right, that
really sums up the for
somehow somehow the
counter side of the back
of the grid. I'm not
entirely sure how because
because they're on split
sessions, you have one
side, one session start
on one side of the grid
at the back and the
other session start on
the other side, even
though Camish and because
they got excluded from
their session, they were
at the back of their
session. And you have the
session of the
right. And then the order
between Chilton and Camish
was decided by how they
finished in fp2. Yes, I'd
heard that. Yeah. Yeah, I'd
heard that bit, but I
couldn't work out because
yeah, because they split
them side to side. It's
yeah, I was a little
confused by it because if
you get excluded from a
session, I believe you
should be on the back.
Well, that's that's why
that's exactly. Yes,
that's just how they how
they do it. Unfortunately.
Right. Well, fair enough
that makes like, there's
up back of doing some
research. Moving on to
race one then. So we had
mediums and soft tires
this weekend. You had to
run two mediums and one
soft. Soft was the
optimal which I actually
prefer. I think I think
because it just means
that you don't. Okay. And
one on the one hand, you
potentially waste your
soft if it goes wrong.
Yeah. But on the other
hand, I think it just
means that you don't
necessarily ruin your race
straight by finishing
first or third or
because not even behind
you can just stick on soft
because they're going to have
to be a bit more tactical
when they run the soft.
So if we're going to have
to do this, I kind of
prefer it this way. Okay. In
a weird way. I thought
the racing was way better
this weekend because
people on the medium or
part of you know, call it
didn't just tumble straight
back and people are soft
didn't just go forward.
We'll get to race three.
I think it was a
combination of that and
being not a soft to
hard. Yeah, I think
that probably made a big
difference as well. Yeah,
I would agree on that. I
think perhaps sorry to
hold you up even further.
It wasn't warm this weekend.
So I wonder if that made a
big difference. Well, because
it was much harder to get the
soft into the operation,
you know, the optimum
window because of the track
template. So for the
start of race one, we had
Robotton being the first
driver on the medium tire.
All of row five are on the
mediums and crucially
Sutton and Ingram both
started on the medium
tire. Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Lloyd managed to get
sort of like pretty much
the best start
really good. Really good
start. Really good. A way
like a scolded cat.
I managed to get Jake Hill
down into Beckett's on
brakes. Whereas Aaron
Taylor Smith had a poor
start and nearly squeeze
Sutton into the pit wall.
It came very close.
It was really close. I'm
pretty sure there was a
wing mirror that came off
with how close it was.
I sat on that knee though.
She had a decent start
as well. He managed to get
a good run out of the
final corner to lead
over the line for the
first lap. And then
De Leon locked up into
Beckett's and dropped down
to fifth.
It's a really poor A
poor start and just
it was.
I mean, I think Cooke
alluded, not Cooke Hill
sorry alluded to it
off as they just got the
tire strategy completely
wrong and how to look
after them.
But we know that the
BMW struggled really
early on in a race.
And it was cold that
first race. It was cold.
Yeah. And the front
wheel drives are just able
to take that little
edge out at the start
of the race. But De Leon
yeah, didn't balance it
well and gradually fell
through the field even
though he's supposed to
be on this quote optimum
tire.
And eventually gave himself
puncture as well, which
we'll get to.
Yes.
Lloyd then managed to lead
into Luffield
coming on to between
lap two and three
managed to get a good run
take Sheddon and
it's good move.
He didn't really look back.
He looked really strong
really confident as well.
Yeah. I think
I think if we didn't have
what happened later,
it would have been a
different story.
That's not to take anything
away from Lloyd.
But I think I think
what I quite like about
this race as well as there's
a lot of strategy being
played and he got
passed I think on the
boost and then
Sheddon had a plan
for how to deal with that
later, which you
couldn't get to as we'll
cover in a moment.
Sutton was up to ninth
at this point and Ingram
up to 11th by the end
of lap three.
And then Ingram managed to
get ahead of Sutton coming
into I think Brooklin's
lap four.
I have to say this is an
Ingram that we haven't seen
enough of in my opinion,
which was a bit spicy,
a bit spicy.
That was a that was a
Sutton move in many ways.
It was the door is a
little bit open and I'm
going to make it open
even more.
Yeah, we saw Sutton make
some good moves this weekend
down into Brooklin's
with some nice late breaking
moves, but it's sadly an
edge the door open kind of
move.
Perfectly clean,
perfectly fair in touring
car terms, absolutely.
But yeah, I was that's a
sort of move that we've been
saying Ingram has been
avoiding a little bit.
And that was quite
interesting to see with the
lady's got that he was
taking that chance.
Yeah, it almost felt like
he wanted to guarantee as
many points this weekend,
almost with the anticipation
that he could well struggle
at brands.
Well, also think they'll
know that Napa don't go
well.
I mean, it's relative,
obviously, but they'll know
that Napa struggle here
overall.
And he'll know that if
he wants to give us the
best possible opportunity
brand that he did struggle
at brands last year.
Don't forget in race three
where the car was nowhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it makes sense
that he and also it
wasn't raining as was
forecast brands hatch.
There's normally rain
somewhere in that weekend,
which has a bit of
unpredictability.
So yeah, it makes sense
to make hay when the
sun was shining.
All of that followed a battle
with the two of them
with Charles Rainford.
But Ingram did manage
to come out on top.
And yeah, you said
the Leon struggling on tires
down to eight by the end
of lap six.
And considering where he
started in a BMW,
he thought he would have
gone off into the distance
and managed to take this win
quite comfortably.
Well, at least lead the
opening half of the race
and then maybe get realed
back in as the race went on.
But yeah, so it wasn't
expecting to fall through
the field like this.
Camish following his
exclusion from qualifier
and was really struggling
to make that race.
So he only managed to get up
to 16th by lap eight.
And I don't know he was
on the same tires as many
of the cars around him.
And being in an
acrode, I thought he would
have made more progress
than he did.
Agreed.
Especially seeing what
Sutton then went on
to do in race two.
Yeah.
And I know I'm moan
about Silson being
boring.
So there was
overtaking opportunities
this weekend.
There's a lot of movements
being done through
Max and Beckett.
There's a lot of movements
being done through
Brooklands and then
through the Luffield
section.
Cop's not so much
this weekend.
But there was
overtaking opportunities
this weekend.
And I'm with you,
I'm surprised Cowish didn't
side through the field
a bit more effectively.
Ingram had his own textbook
move this weekend.
That cutback coming out
of Beckett's and getting
that drag down the long
way.
The Givinardi line.
Yes.
Return to the Givinardi line,
which is nice to see.
And I think it was
a combination of being
able to get that high
and low straight as possible
as quick as possible
so you can get that high
and low power down.
But also, I think he
used boost coming out
there quite often
just to make sure he got
the pass done,
which is what he did
on De Leon.
What's your thought
on the boost?
Because for me,
this weekend,
it was too powerful.
Too powerful.
I think there's an incident
race, too, which I will get
to where Sutton was
on the back of Ingram
and then Ingram was boosted
and the gap just
went out like I see.
Yeah, I just thought
that it was too easy
to pass before the corner.
You just drove round.
I think Hill got driven
round by Lloyd on the boost
at one point where
he just literally
just put the foot down.
You've gone.
I just found it too
powerful this weekend.
I do think this weekend,
it certainly showed
how powerful it is.
And if you equate it
to F1 and DRS,
we do have those DRS signs,
especially where they were
this weekend at Baku.
It only comes halfway down
the straight for where you can
use it.
Yeah, that might be a way
that it might be a way of
actually allowing drivers
to be able to get alongside
to make the move,
but still have to do it
under the brakes.
Yeah, because to give
go back a point
and defend Camrys a little bit.
Yes, he's struck to make progress,
but everyone in front of him
had so much more boost
than him.
And that that's straight
in particular, the Wellington
straight.
Yeah, it went straight.
It was so powerful on there
that if you if you were
with a carve out boost,
you were you were snookered.
I was trying to think
of a plight way of putting it.
Sutton managed to get past
the Leon two laps later.
And at this point,
Roboton was actually really
struggling on the median.
Yes, he was getting caught
by Ingram quite quickly,
bearing in mind,
they were on the same tire.
Yeah, Ingram was just going
for as many points as he had.
Absolutely, especially in race
ones.
He managed to get past Roboton
and there wasn't much of a
difference.
Was there disappointed
before?
I mean, look, I'm not
expecting Roboton to eat him
into Kettering's ship.
That would be no,
but he could put up
a pair is kind of defense.
Yeah, you think back
to that famous race
and obviously we'll take
the controversy out of it.
The reason that Max
was ever able to do it
in the first place
is because Perez held
how on up for 11, 12 seconds
ridiculous and gave Max
the chance to get back
into the window.
Yes, we won't discuss
what happened after that.
But without that interaction
from Perez, it doesn't matter
anyway.
And yeah, he was kind of
like a here you go, mate.
Yeah, yeah, the red carpet
on your on your way, mate.
Not quite as brash as the one
where he let Sutton through as
well, putting the indicator on.
No, but bearing in mind
that he knocked Sutton off
the circuit at Donnington,
I'm not suggesting he should
be knocking in people of the
circuit. That's not what I'm
saying. What I am saying is
that I'm amazed
that it was as easy a pass
and it was done in one corner
rather than having
fallen for a couple of
corners and do it a lap
later, etc.
But out front at that point,
everything was fairly calm.
Well, Hill did start to push
on lap 15 to close the gap.
And this was just a case of
balancing off hybrid between
each other and boost.
Sorry, Toca Boost.
And once Hill got a little bit
closer, Lloyd was then able
to deploy his because he had
more of an allocation.
Chilton, half spun
double at Loughield.
The first of the move
that really annoyed.
There were a couple of moves
from in this weekend that
were optimistic
to say the least.
Lazy, in my opinion.
Yeah. Just yeah.
And that ruined Dobble's
rate or Dobble's race as well.
Yeah. You got pushed out of the
points and eventually had to
come into the pits because of
it. I'm assuming something got
bent at the rear.
The move was never on.
I was I was sat at Loughield.
The move was never on, ever.
I know that half said, oh,
they like to cut across the
inside of that curve.
Yeah, that's fine.
But there wasn't even a half
of a curve there.
There wasn't a curve to cut
across because Dobble's
car was there.
Yeah. I'm amazed he has
a good penalty for that as well.
Yeah. Agreed.
Agreed. And then the race finally
came to life and we had a fire.
Yes. Very substantial fire
coming down into Beckett's.
There was smoke coming from the
underside near
near side underside of
Hamilton's Cupra as he came
background onto the Wellington
Strait. There was a significant
amount of flames on the other
side and he actually pulled up
on the left hand side midway
down the straight just to try
and get the car stopped quickly
as possible to get out as
quickly as possible.
And then the car just went up.
Yeah. So obviously, I couldn't
see the car from where I was.
I tell you what, you saw the
smoke and then black.
So, you know, it started white
and then within seconds it had
gone black, accurate, thick.
You could smell it in the
grandsons. I'm not.
And obviously at that point
you can't see it and quite
rightly the TV directors cut
away from it. You naturally
fear the worst because,
we've seen how quickly fire
could take over a car and
obviously you have to get past
the extraction test to be able
to race in the first place.
However, doing that in a
controlled setting where there's
not fire in you compared to
when there is, I think Nick
does it incredibly well to get
out as quickly as he does.
Yeah, credit to him.
He had an interview with
Louise later on in the day
and he said he was actually
fairly calm in that
situation. He knew what he
had to do. He knew how
to best use his body to be
able to get out the car.
Obviously being less able than
the other drivers, he still
has to adhere to the
extraction test that every other
driver has to do and he's
able to pass those because he's
able to race.
And just on that as well, I
know a lot of people only
watch the races and don't
necessarily watch all the
gum in between, but there's
a really good
segment with Nick Hamilton this
weekend about what he has to
go through for a race, what
he has to go through to get
here. And I think
certainly some keyboard warriors
who think he's only on the
grid because Lewis Hamilton
is his relation would do well
to watch that video because
it was an incredibly moving
and inspirational piece to
camera done by Jade Edwards
as well.
Jane Edwards?
I nearly called that a mistake
then.
Obviously it was a former teammate
of his and he looks back at the
Bonnington Park Bridge at the
points and stuff.
But also just how much pain
he puts his body through a
weekend to do this.
And I think that, yeah, it's
well worth watching.
I think it's about 15 minutes
or so.
It's definitely worth a watch
when catching up if you
didn't see it on the day.
He certainly races for the
love of it.
Absolutely.
Do you want to compound
on these issues?
Have a puncture on lap 18?
It's a hell of a spin.
It is a hell of a spin.
No way as well.
Twice as well.
He knows at it.
Yeah.
A rear puncture.
So I don't think it was as a
result of the contact with
Mikey.
Agreed.
But yeah, that put an end to
his race.
Probably.
I don't want to say it, but
probably why he didn't get a
penalty anyway.
I agree with it.
I think that's the same in
race two as well as we
shall get to, which is a
nonsense if that is the case.
But I don't know how he
avoids that.
But also actually, I think
you missed it in this race
where Sutton punted Moffat
quite hard through
Brooklyn's.
I'm surprised he got away
with that.
That was in my mind a push
to pass.
Doesn't bother me.
Who, you know, sometimes
can be accused maybe of
overlooking some of Sutton's
more aggressive stuff.
I was unhappy with that
person.
They had watched it bad
thinking that was a little bit
on the over the edge for me.
And I'm surprised that again,
I don't think we'll see a
clear push to pass all season.
I'm surprised he got away with
it.
So yeah, safety car was
called out due to the fire
underneath Halton's car.
They did struggle at first
to get it under control.
And they had three fire
trucks go out to it.
Do you think it should be
ready for that?
I mean, I don't know
about this podcast a year
long.
I'm surprised it was.
I mean, in hindsight, it was
fine.
But I'm surprised it wasn't
red flagged.
At first, you don't know
you can't necessarily
work out how serious it is.
So Fred flag it and worry
about it later.
But in my mind, that's where
I go.
If you don't, this is the
worst thing that can happen on
a race circuit is a fire.
That's the worst thing that
can happen in a car is that
it's on fire.
I would disagree.
Okay.
I would say if a driver
can't get out of a car.
Yeah.
Obviously, but it doesn't
matter whether this fire or
not.
That is a more.
Yeah.
Extenuating circumstance that
would cause a race to be
red flagged that Nick had
got out.
And then it was just the car
that they had to get under
control.
They had to get the fire
crews out, which they did
in as quickly as they could.
But they could have a quicker
if a circuit was completely
neutralized arguably.
Possibly, possibly, but
but what also if you do
that and then the cars got
under control and you're able
to clear it within a lap
or two.
Then you've got the other
argument of why was the race
stopped.
Yeah, I get that.
But on the flip side, I
think to yourself that if this
had been at the exit of
Brooklyn's and he's in the
gravel, I'd say, yeah,
you can carry on as it's
going.
It was quite close to the
racing circuit.
And it was windy.
It was cold.
Yeah.
All it takes is the wind
to blow on to the cars that
are coming past.
They're still going to be
popping the flames from
the exhaust and stuff.
You could have seen that.
I don't think it's beyond
the road's possibility that
you could have seen another
car go up as it went past
it.
I'm just saying I don't think
you can categorically say
what happened.
I'm just surprised.
The way they were able to get
marshals to the vehicle and
be able to have marshals there
with extinguishers and then
bring the fire trucks out
which had further extinguishers,
they were able to control it
at that time.
But not immediately.
The car, the cars went past
it on fire, at least a lap,
if not two.
So I'm just thinking,
in hindsight, knowing what
we know.
The car was cool pretty
quickly.
Yeah, but knowing what we
know at the end of it,
when nobody else got hurt
and it was all fine, we
were surprised that the
second you see a car that
closed the circuit on fire,
that badly on fire, you
don't just red flag it.
I'm surprised the immediate
call isn't red flag.
We'll worry about the fall
out later.
If we have to defend why
we red flagged it later,
so be it.
I'm just surprised, that's
all.
I don't think it was the
wrong decision because
nothing bad happened
afterwards.
But I'm just surprised if
I was starting to wonder
what actually is a red flag
in the touring cars.
I don't want to see
racist red flag driver.
Let's get that right.
I don't want to see racist
as red flag.
But the second that Porsche
got upside down after hitting
the barrier, it was red flag
pretty much straight away.
Yeah.
To me, the driver was out of
that really quickly.
I know they got to do the
barrier damage and such, but
that's a less serious
incident than what we've seen
there.
That tends to be at the
moment what does cause a red
flag within the touring cars
if there is barrier damage
and there is going to be a
substantial amount of time.
I can see in this
instance they thought they
may well be able to get
the car under control and
then get it moved within
that safety car period.
At this point they still
had, I think, what fall
laps to the end of the race,
these three would have been
added on.
So they eventually, the race
finish under safety car
conditions.
It was another argument for
me because it was under the
safety car, but it was
taking over seven laps to do
it.
Surely you red flag the race,
get it done and then restart
the race.
You can't actually have racing
laps.
I think what they would
have hoped for was to get
it done within those three.
But once you go past that
point.
Red flag it then.
Yeah, but then you don't
get much left.
Yeah.
You're probably too far
away from that race distance
anyway.
Exactly.
Yeah, it's a tricky one.
I'm not criticising
necessarily the direction
that it went.
I'm just personally
surprised that we didn't
see the red for it.
Given the veracity of the
fire as well.
It wasn't just a little
fire.
No, it was fairly substantial.
During this race,
Smiley had a turbo issue
and really struggled to make
progress.
Was that the reason?
Yeah.
I think you mentioned it
on the grid for race two.
I skipped those bits.
But he didn't have an
overall great weekend anyway,
considering what Lloyd was
up to.
Yeah.
So yeah, as I said,
safety car finish,
seven laps, meaning that
I got the point for the
predictions later on.
Yeah.
All done and dusted
in the first race,
unfortunately.
But yeah, that's
how they finish.
Yep.
So it was Dan Lloyd in
first from Jake Hill.
Gorn Shedden would be
happy with the podium.
He had saved a load of
boost for the end of the
race but was
unable to use it.
I'm slightly disappointed
because that would have
been a better way to
finish the race, obviously.
But for all three of
those drivers,
they are amazing results.
Senator Proctor
Biff, again, that new
engine helped him out.
Just to say as well,
he has been given a
10-point penalty
for the new engine change.
That is the only penalty
from the weekend.
That is the only penalty
from the weekend
to bring to you.
Adam Moffitt,
really side result in sixth.
Tom Ingram in seventh
cruised ahead of Sutton
in eighth.
Dan Robottom in ninth.
Morgan rounding out
the top turn of Aaron
Taylor-Smith,
Dan Kamish,
Dowder Leon,
Charles Rainford and Chris
Smiley making up
the points of
paying positions.
Yeah.
So we move on to
race number two now then.
We're going back
and diligently
because I just love the
podcast and love the
listeners so much.
Watched all the
races and made notes
for race two.
I had notes for all of them
though.
Yeah, yeah.
Just makes a change.
It does make a change.
Did you enjoy it?
You must feel so much
happier.
Do you know what?
Watching it live
and trying to make notes
was quite difficult.
Especially watching it
on my own
because at least
if we're watching it
together and I'm making
notes, you can point
out bits that I might
have missed.
So watching it on
the podcast bit.
Very good.
Right.
Race two there were
rattled through it
because I can't believe
we're already at half hour
point.
But there's a bit
a lot to talk about.
So the highest
soft car on this race
was Tom Ingram.
Sutton went
from media which was
against the advice
of the team.
Very much against
the advice of the team
and he was
very much like
just trust me
on this one.
Let me try it.
Yeah, absolutely.
And he's
kind of driver that
you gave.
Absolutely.
So he was into the pits
with an issue at the end
of lap one.
Just a weekend.
There I say
a season to forget
for Kamish.
I'm going to come to that
a bit later on.
A weekend to forget
for him.
He's not been particularly
strong, has it?
He went off the line
very well
and was able to
get into first
at back hits
with a decent move
on the brakes
on Dan Lloyd.
Fairly standard stuff
BMW is good
in its first lap.
Ingram was
into third by
Luffield.
I was in absolute
spaceship mode.
He just passed
every car.
He passed through everyone
and yeah.
Yeah,
Ingram was
into second
and then into first.
I mean,
Hill did at least
put up a bit of a fight
which was nice
for him to concede
and try and make it
difficult.
But I mean
the tire offset,
the boost offset
and the car offset
the
Sutton did
try to follow
him through
and certainly on that
I managed to get up
to fifth position
but I found
that Lloyd struggled
quite early on
when you see Ingram
coming as well.
Yeah,
it's difficult
because obviously he's there
to fight for himself
with his own sponsors
but equally
don't upset the team
you buy the car from
either.
So it's a little bit of that
although I don't think
he made it
it wasn't an indicator
pass
but that way.
No,
certainly not.
But also
why would you bother
wasting your fight
and your race fight
and someone that's
clearly going to
finish ahead of you
anyway.
I've written
a very dull pass
just drives by.
For me
it's just highlights
how strong it was this weekend.
More traction, more boost
and yeah
wouldn't really
fight it too much
at the end.
Sutton kind of woke up
a little bit and realised
that if he wanted to keep
the championship going
he was going to have to
do a few moves
and he
you said about Ingram
and a trademark move
Sutton had one as well
which was
to lunge as late
as possible into
Brooklyn.
Under control I have to say
it wasn't always
it was a very max
I don't think I ever
had a good pass
on Lloyd.
I think it's very
probably caught him napping
and then on lap eight
would napping.
Sorry.
Very good.
On lap eight
we saw for the second time
this weekend
a daft move
at Luffield
by
Shelton
down his suspension
in his car.
He's one way to put it
yeah.
Try to dive up
the inside
got it wrong
collapsed his
suspension
very, very avoidable.
It turns out
the back of that
BMW is quite strong
because it was
crashed
however you want to
phrase it
launched
but yes
first contact broke the
suspension and then
he thought he'd have a little nibble
when he can actually
steer anywhere as well.
I will say
he took it in good grace
he came in front of the
Grand Sander did a bow
in front of us
so that was quite good
good sport
but
I mean
for a driver of that caliber
and actually I said
to my partner
who was with me this weekend
not you my other partner
my other partner
yeah
that in my view
this is why he hasn't
has never been a touring car champion
because he
for me he just lacks that
clever bit of racecraft
that
finesse
Simon and Ingram don't make that move
no
they wait
and that I think that's why
Turkin didn't make
doesn't make that move
no
Matt Newton didn't make any moves
well no
Matt Neil did
but I mean he had a
tight tank
so it didn't really count
and Plato made that move
which is why he didn't win as much
as he probably should have done
yeah
Rainford was actually in a
battle with Morgan
and Moffett before that
down in Tobekitz
and then
Morgan managed to
boost back past them as well
yeah
to recover the car
we needed a safety car
which
only a couple laps
and on the restart
a very good
and controlled restart
as you'd expect
it did give Ash the chance
to sort of
go after Hill though
which is what he needed
I have to say
I'm not sure he was getting
to Hill
without the safety car
possibly not
so
that gave the chance
we saw again
his trademark move
yep
he needed to pull
Morgan on the restart
managed to run into the back
of him
teammates
running into your team mate
he did a damn robot
and he flipped his bonnet
I always love it when that
happens
it's always good fun
isn't it
here he came in
did you see how hard the
mechanics were
really trying to work
to pull that pin
straight
I also loved
I think it was
Sam Riches
if it wasn't
it was something from
Tobekitz
sort of leaning over
watching everything
just
enjoyed that immensely
it's not good enough yet
yep
come on
very very good indeed
and he was the next
in that group on the soft
do you know what
my notes for this
saying
he just quietly
crept up
through the field
went through his business
he didn't do anything
rash or anything
out of the ordinary
he just made up places
agreed
on lap 16
Sutton got past Hill
to save that
late lunge into Brooklyn
again a fair
late lunge
no problems with that
at all
and Osborn went
for a little bit
of Tokyo drifting
after Dili on the side
that he wanted to
side swipe him
good car control
and actually Osborn
I think
we'll get to it
had another good weekend
where he showed
good car control
good race craft
and quietly went about
his business
Smiley's
interesting weekend
continued
10 second penalty
for track limit violations
one of many
and Ingram
actually got a warning
in this race
got quite a flag
and he was
sort of like
right on the limit
in a race
where he didn't need
to be as well
it reminded me
a little bit of
do you remember
it was a new set of softs
leave it mate
and there you go to the
set of the fastest lap
alright Max calm down now
yeah very much
I don't know whether
it's because of the contact
as well but proper to
manage to drop
all the way back to 17
yes he didn't
have a particularly good race
either
road bottom then on lap 23
had a problem
with his car
had to retire so
another poor weekend
just for Napa
generally at Silverstone
they just cursed here
and then Aaron Tanya Smith
would finish eventually
forth
I've got here that
one more lap
and he's on the podium
because he had
he was looking really sharp
really quick
and as you say
there were other
penalties that were
brought out
so Smiley Proctor
and Patterson
Patterson as well did he
all got penalties
for track limits
towards the end of the race
which actually meant
that Buxton got
promoted into the point
as did Halstead
Halstead got a point
Halstead got 14th I believe
I wondered why
on the air
wow
there you go
very good indeed
in the end
it was a very comfortable
victory for Tom Ingram
from Ash Satin
from Jake Hill
I say Aaron Tanya Smith
good drive from him
siphoning through the field
getting himself into fourth
Charles Rainford
a quiet 5th
they kind of
shocked me and I'm red
oh Rainford a 6th
he was also on a soft tyre
yeah yeah
but one of those again
quietly went about his business
and did the job well
Lloyd I think did well
to hold himself in 6th
on the medium tyre
did well there
again Shedden did
very well to hold
7th
Moffett in 8th
good weekend for him
overall I have to say
Josh Cook Knight
Dowardly on rounding out
the top turn
Nick Houten and Chris Smiley
all taking points as well
the championship is
I've written here
it's done
with that one from Ingram
it's done
it is done
and then
number 12 was pulled
from the
bowl
which
promoted Sam Osborne
on to pole
yeah
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Alright then
Race 3
it's been a long one
so far hasn't it
it has
but a lot happened this weekend
yeah and even more
happened before
the start of
Race 3
as you said
Osborne took
pole position
with a reverse grid
with Mikey Doble
on the front row
however
De Leon
from the second row
came to the grid
with an issue
it's a very large
issue
quite a large issue
yeah to be honest
it's a very large
issue
it's a very large
issue
yeah it's an issue
that he had not
felt before
which is a
stunned me
when you find out
what the issue was
yes true
you see that who's playing it
very cool
yeah yeah
so it turns out
the BMW
sounded like
it had a broken
driveshaft
on the way to the grid
so they were
trying to work as
ferociously
as they could on the grid
to get this sorted
before the start of the race
unfortunately
they ran out of time
and he had to
push the car
from the grid
though that caused
he probably should have done
he got stuck on a lip
on the side of the circuit
yes he did
he did
but yeah
they did manage to get the cars
all off onto their formation
lap while the
BMW mechanics
tried to get the car sorted
and he did actually
make it out
I think a couple of laps
after the race started
what was quite interesting
was that
Dick Bennett's
was the
who's the
WSR team principal
was the
what do you call it
the delivery person
for tools
he was going between
the other cars on the grid
the other WSR cars
delivering tools
and he did say on the grid
that he wasn't even aware of the issue
he was in a meeting
I wonder who that was with
and then came out onto the
onto the circuit
to find out that this was a problem
so he
immediately started to become
the courier for tools
between the other teams
on the other
BMWs on the grid
yes
and that's not where the issue
stopped for Dillon
he actually got
given a 30 second penalty
because
it was either
having
people working on the car too late
on the grid
or it was because
he went through a red light
at the end of pit lane
I wasn't quite sure
so I mean 30 seconds
it's a lot
it's a lot
normally it's a drive through
isn't it for
being late off the grid
so maybe it was a
it's quite possible
or maybe they just combined the two
I have to say
I hate the fact that
if you're late working on the grid
you get such a large penalty
compared to
you can basically
take the mickey out of track limits
all weekend
and get a 5 second penalty
or 10 second penalty
or we jump a start
yeah exactly
you can jump a start
and be fine
no it's drive through
for jump a start isn't it
there were
it's an F1 you get
no it's true
it's no fun
if you actually can jump a start
and get a 5 second penalty
which doesn't matter
because he eats it into a wall
but yeah
that's apparently going to be carried over
to the next race
no it's not
because it's under 10 seconds
that's what the P1 boys
were saying today
is that anything under 10
doesn't get carried over
okay fair enough
there were significant amount of drivers
on soft tyres
for this race
including Osborne
on the front row
Sutton reduced his soft tyre
in this race as well
as Buxton
Halstead
Robot on Camish
Patson Morgan
and Chilton
a lot of which
at the back of the grid
looking to make good progress
to come through the field
Rainford made a good start
to the race
and
of course we didn't back in this weekend
yeah I know
that's typical isn't it
yeah
well done by the way
Lloyd was
assisted off
shall I say
assisted
at Beckett's
courtesy of
I believe
two Toyota's
it looks
Arantailer-Smithy to me
it looked
like someone got into
Arantailer-Smith
but I think it might have been
shredded
oh okay I thought it was shed
I think it was one of them
I think it was
because he finished second
in the end
so I think it was
honestly can't remember
but yes
two Toyota's
assisted Lloyd
off
Exit stage left
quite quickly
he's not allowed to have a good weekend
or he gets three
very strong points
that's not allowed
which consequently
meant that
Hill, Sutton and Ingram
all made up
five places
on the opening lap
in other news
Halstead went into the pits
Osborne
by this point
and
a good lead
and
Moffitt was challenging
Mikey Doble
I have to say
given that your prediction
was that Doble podium
and what I put on the line
you were worried, weren't you?
I hadn't really
I hadn't really clocked
he was on the second row
until they came to the grid
it was like
front row
sorry I hadn't really clocked
that until
they were on the formation
I said to Nadia
oh dear
and then I was like
what tire is he on
what tire is he on
I thought
when they were going to the grid
I thought
has he used this
he hasn't used his stuff
I bet you were at that point
yeah I was
slightly disappointed
to find out that he was
on a medium tire
I've never cheered so loud
when Moffitt got through
he did fall back through
through the field
Moffitt getting in
first of all
and then Sutton
and then Hill
Sheddon
and Aaron Taylor-Smith
had also fallen
through the field
they were on medium tire
and that Toyota
seemed to really
struggle on the medium tire
in that race
in particular
well you say that
but Cook was on medium
and he got a podium
so I think
they just struggled
in the pack a little bit
this week
when they got back there
yeah
by lap 7
Sutton was up to third
looking quite good
quite racy
Ingram and Hill
had a really good fight
which Roboton
then also joined in on
being on that soft tire
and they all sort of
shuffled themselves about
and Ingram came out worst
for a while
we had that battle
for a while
for a little while
Hill managed to get back
through on Roboton
because he'd managed
to overtake both of them
where they both run wide
but yeah
it was going to be a very bright
it was sort of Ingram
and you say Hill
battling ran a little bit
wider
sorry Roboton just
popped himself
through which
a lot of good opportunistic
move
Osborne
Cook was closing in
but at no point
did I feel like
Osborne had to go
majorly defensively
no agreed
he just drove a very
good race
lap after lap
he was putting
good sensible laps
where he didn't
really make any
informed mistakes
there were no lockups
I don't know
it was an unloaded rear wheel
into becket
I think cold as well
I think part of it
will be cold tires
because there's a lot of
lockups or smoke
should we say
through that part of the
corner
a circuit
but Cook was
slowly closing in
and you could definitely
see the laps where
Cook had used
TTB
compared to where
Osborne was using it
as well
Ingram finally got past
Roboton
as Roboton ran out
of his TTB
and it really
did hamper him
he made no more
and actually started
falling back
and then that was finally
compounded by a
10 second penalty
4 track limits
for Roboton
in a weekend
he probably wants to
forget especially
with how
how close
and how quickly
Hill has managed
to catch both him
and Cammie
Hill I think
will get third in the
championship
which I think will be
a hammer blow
from
give us
Mr weekend
and Napa
and BMW
let's be honest
have been dreadful
for
all three of the rounds
I think
if Hill gets third
Cook did
make a mistake though
on that 20
at Luffield
he managed to lock up
run wide
which then let
Osborne get away basically
and once Osborne
saw this opportunity
made the most of it
he had enough boost
left
and he was able
to almost extend
that lead
towards the end
Moffitt finally
had a
lock up
which let Hill come
through
and then
more penalties
towards the end of the race
again for Shedden
and Proctor
just one of that
from the end
you think
it's not worth it really
considering how much time
he gets here
added on
in a touring car race
that drops you
hell of a long way back
it does
but yeah
an Osborne
win
yes
from
a really well taken win as well
it wasn't like
he just
lucked his way into it
once he took
we've seen him have
pulled before
and by that
end of that one
he's fallen through
exactly whereas
this was a commanding
he really did
as you said
at no point
looked under
any real pressure
he's always looked
a lot more comfortable
so it was
I think it's a track
that he enjoys
but it's not necessarily
a track
that an Apple Car goes
well out
but yeah
he looked
really competent
in this win
and
credit to him
absolutely
so as you say
Osborne took the win
from Cook
who was on the
it's a good third
from Ash
but it's a bad third
and so far as he was
on the soft tie
and he never got close
to them
and in some ways
I'm glad he didn't
because
do you think Cook
would have let him through
no
I'm thinking
what would they do about
Osborne
do you take his first win
off him for certain
yeah true
so in a way
I'm glad he didn't get there
because that
what a horrible
and I think
Napper a little bit more
ruthless and virtuous
and I think
they would have potentially
possibly
out of that
nobody wins
nobody wins out of it
so in some ways
I'm glad certain
wasn't able to get there
but I'm surprised
that he wasn't
this be honest
he never put any pressure
on Cook at all
Cook was able to
sort of drive
a really aggressive race
on the medium time
Jake Hill fourth
really good weekends
from him
Ingram fifth
just doing what he needs
to do isn't he
Moffat sixth
so that's three
very good finishes
yeah did really well
indeed
Adam Morgan
good recovery
from obviously
a good night
again good recovery
driving back with the grid
Mikey Doble finishing
in tenth
with Aaron Taylor Smith
Rainford proctor
Robotton and Patson
making up the
points
paying positions
which was
good for them
we'll get into
our awards first of all
well should we just
do a quick title
update for where
that leaves
everything
yeah so Ingram manages
to extend his lead
in the title
by one
singular point
this weekend
so he's got a
33 point
weekends
I just
this is the thing
that's killing me the most
camera is just
back to third
on 275
he's now
only four clear
of Hill on 271
and Hill is now
I can't do much
very quickly
but he's got
a decent
gap over Robotton
who's back on 257
that is
it's 14 points
thank you
monument left
it by Hill
that is really
really impressive
he needed a weekend
like this
we know
obviously how
good a weekend
the fact is
Alliance Ford
back on top
it's tight
by a point
from Virtue
and BMW
they're nowhere near
that
in the teams
Napa are now on
700
Team Virtue
on 697
so again
quite close there
the independence
drivers
what a weekend
this was for Dan Lloyd
he's now
top of the
rankings by
five points
over Mikey Doble
smiling
dreadful weekend
for him
he's now dropped
13 points
off the top
really hurting this weekend
he's going to struggle
but
restart as a team
have managed to
take home
provisionally
independence team
title
as you say
provisionally
and the jack says
Darryl De Leon
he came
with his weekend
a point also ahead
he's extended
that over
Rainford
so he's on
417
Rainford's on
409
even though
Rainford took
the weekend
that's what
he would have extended
that lead
continuing Rainford's
the winner for the jack says
this weekend
it's all about the places
though isn't it
because Osborne
would have won race 3
we probably should
do the maths
off there
I can only go
with what they've said
on here
which is that
De Leon's on
417
and Rainford's on
409
I can only go
with what they've
given me
I think
Rainford has closed
the gap
but it's minimal
absolutely minimal
I'm sure it was
worried about that
another time
so yeah that leaves
the jack
and then the wing foot
sorry just to
quickly cover
Camish is really disappointed by this
because he doesn't think
he's going to
catch Ingram now
no
134
for Ingram
118
for Camish
yeah I think
Camish would need to
take pole
and Ingram
would need to be
out the points
14
for Camish
to take that
so
it might happen
it's unlikely to
right
people go back to their lives
we agree on a couple of
we do indeed
we struggled
didn't we
the driver
because nobody had
a standout weekend
until you sort of
until I saw a
social media
poster for
actually
you have had a standout weekend
look back at the positions
yeah and with
Hill scoring a
second the third
and a fourth
and where
he's now bounced back to
in that
race for third
in the championship
I think he certainly
deserves
driver
a weekend
I completely agree
number so that's fine
excluding from qualifying
not necessarily his fault
but
as a team
you need to work together
not making
much progress
in race one
because you've got
less boost
and on the medium tyre
we saw how well
Sutton ran on the
medium tyre
yes he had more boost
but was able to do
a lot better with it
I believe
and then
obviously having that issue
as well
it's just a weekend
to forget for him
agreed I've gone for
Sutton purely because
he's driven into people
yeah his weekend
was sabotaged
by none other than
Tom Jilton
yeah I think that
when you've got
such a close
championship battle
in terms of your teams
and your manufacturers
and you've got
the other guy
struggling in Camish
what's the best thing
you can do
I'll struggle with him
it's very much
Lando
Lando's had a slow
stop Oscar
can you please move out
the way
it didn't
it didn't capitalise
certainly didn't
surprise good
I've gone for Lloyd
yeah I can see that
I wasn't seeing Lloyd
winning a race this weekend
nope I agree
and if it weren't for
obviously his difficulties
in the final race
of the weekend
where he was
extricated by a Toyota
I think it would have been
a really successful weekend
for him
and
it feels like
his season's coming
back to a really
nice point
and a really good point
towards the end of the day
yeah particularly
he can go on to win the
independence
season so it's a weekend
defeated
agreed I've gone for
Toyota with the new
engines obviously
and Buxton did pretty well
to score points anyway
to be fair to him
but those three
I mean they must be
wondering why didn't we
do this sooner
but where would Toyota
have been in the championship
I know
because
you know Shedden
since that engine
has gone in
is a different driver
and he
obviously took the win
on the old engine
we know about the track
conditions that helped him
do that
but since that's gone in
he's been a different
driver
as staying for next season
we know Toyota
have had this history
of shopping and
changing drivers
quite often
we've seen a couple of
different drivers
come in to the team
this season
will they still
keep cook
for next year
don't know
depends how other things
develop
there are certainly
rumours surrounding
Aaron Taylor Smith
he's helped fewer
than himself
yes
as to whether
he will be staying
or not
I would suggest
probably not
but if Toyota
can keep hold
a former three-time champion
it was a little while ago
but he's getting back
to some sort of racing
that we would expect him
to be competing in
cook Aaron Taylor Smith
and Shedden
look different drivers
since that new engine
has gone in their car
and say
if you're Toyota
you just must be
I mean I'm not suggesting
they could have beaten
Ingram or something
as a title but I mean
I think they'd have
a couple of race wins
under their belts
for sure
certainly
your surprise
good
oh you've done that
sorry it's my surprise
bad now
Tony Dan's
Dan Hamish
and Dan Robottom
both had really poor weekends
okay problems with the car
I think they didn't look fast
particularly throughout the weekend
I don't think we had the chance
to help certain out
by defending a bit more
aggressively they didn't do it
again I'm not suggesting
they punt the driver
angle off the track
that's not what I'm suggesting
but I'm just thinking
that again
I've raised the point
before you go back
to Brands Hatch last year
and what helped
he'll win the title
was Colin Turgerton
driving in that
and making it
impossible for Ingram
to get past him
and just saying
no I'm going to pop this
on the apex
you've got to do something
special boy
and Ingram didn't need
anything special
to get past him this weekend
yep
I've gone for Smiley
because
yeah I understand that
feeling
or seeing what Lloyd
has done this weekend
showed what that car
could have done this weekend
and generally throughout
this season
Smiley has been
the better of the two
drivers
I think he'll be really
disappointed with how
this weekend's fallen
for him
especially where it now
puts him
in the independence drivers
title
I completely agree
let's rattle through
these predictions
and go for some tea
is that because
I've taken more points
no it's because
there were now about
seven hours into this
podcast
and to be fair
the main predictors
are very easy to do
we've both got one right
which was a winner
for Ingram
everything else was wrong
you went for Morgan
for pole
only for a robot
and both were
nowhere near it
my race winners
were Ingram,
Morgan and Smiley
and Charles
you're welcome
we didn't go for you in the
Jack Sears
I was Ross Bourne
and somehow
from your maths
so we might need to
check that given the score
on the championship
it's just typical
how that has happened
although we will
there'll be a student
we never seem to get
the Jack Sears
there will be a
students enquiry
into the point
so to make sure
we've definitely got
that one
correct
in terms of the general
predictions
I went for
Kamyshark score
Sutton
and to be honest
45 plus clear
in the weekend
I thought Sutton was going to
have a stinker
in some ways he did
but not enough
to make that prediction
come in
and I had Cook
to outscore
Lloyd and Doble
so just on that
Cook scored 35
Lloyd scored 31
Doble scored 11
33
showing you're
all right with you
33
so Cook
just sneaked that in
for me
which was very helpful
indeed
I kind of wish it
gone for them
combined now
and I saved
to kind of
yeah Ingram score
40 plus points this weekend
it was close
and you thought
it might be
it was a little close
and I thought it would be
but yeah
taking that win
obviously fastest lap
and a leading lap
really helped towards
that
42
we had Shedden
and Aaron
Taylor Smith score
both 20 plus points
this weekend
although it
only just
Taylor Smith
in that final race
where Taylor Smith
took five points
taking up to 23
for the weekend
Double podium
we've already spoken
about
didn't quite happen
I thought it might
have done
if he was going to be
on a soft tyre
but yeah
that's how the
cookie crumbles
and
thank you
and
safety car laps
there were
so many
I think there are
12
for this weekend in total
and won that quite easily
so in the prediction
table
which is the most
important thing now
Ingram has won the
championship
is that you now
have a
three point gap at the
top
well
let us know
yeah
now
what you want
our final
prediction of the year
to be
our special one
let us know
down in the comments
post it on our social
media
messages privately
if you want to
and we'll pick the
best one
for the final weekend
because I think
having something
completely independent
is going to be
the best way
to decide it
you're absolutely right
there are
of course
four, five, six, seven,
eight
for the
special
so potentially
12 points available
so three
is not insurmountable
no it's certainly not
and we have seen
bigger swings than that
this season already
so we'll have to see
what Brands Hatch
brings
we'll be watching that
on the sofa together
and we're bringing you
a preview to that
there at the time
yeah
if you
want to let us know
down in the comments
who was your driver
of the weekend
how you think
the final race weekend
is going to
pan out
and let us know
any other thoughts down in the comments
until then
until we speak again
rather
goodbye
bye bye
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