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Smart Driving Cars episode 410- MIT Karl Iagnemma Forum, Artemis II, Waymo, Subaru, Tesla & more

Smart Driving Cars episode 410- MIT Karl Iagnemma Forum, Artemis II, Waymo, Subaru, Tesla & more

Smart Driving Cars Podcast Apr 05, 2026 35 min
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Alan Kornhouser and Fred Fishkin kick off with a Princeton/industry-style roundup that blends autonomy news with big-picture mobility history. They highlight an MIT mobility interview with Ekno Robotics CEO Carl Enyama, tracing autonomy from DARPA to robotaxis to warehouses. The discussion then pivots to Waymo’s rapid ridership growth, why vehicle occupancy math can be misleading, and the core challenge of repositioning. They also cover connected-vehicle V2X trials, Subaru’s hands-free Outback update, and a long, economics-focused argument that driverless trucking should boost driver productivity—not remove drivers. They close with an AI book recommendation and a planned ride-sharing road trip.

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autonomy

"you lead off with an MIT mobility interview with the CEO of Ekno Robotics, Carl Enyama, says from DARBA to Robotaxies to warehouses, the full arc of autonomy."

Autonomy means a system can make its own decisions—like how to move and navigate—without someone constantly steering it. In self-driving discussions, it’s the big idea behind getting from research to real use.

Company

Ekno Robotics

"you lead off with an MIT mobility interview with the CEO of Ekno Robotics, Carl Enyama,"

Ekno Robotics is the company being discussed in the MIT interview. The point is to learn what they’re building and how it relates to real autonomous systems.

Company

Carl Enyama

"with the CEO of Ekno Robotics, Carl Enyama, says from DARBA to Robotaxies to warehouses, the full arc of autonomy."

Carl Enyama is the CEO being interviewed. His role matters because he can explain what his company is doing in self-driving and robotics.

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MIT mobility interview

"you lead off with an MIT mobility interview with the CEO of Ekno Robotics, Carl Enyama,"

This is an interview tied to MIT and mobility, meaning transportation technology. It’s often about how self-driving ideas move from labs into real-world use.

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Robotaxies

"says from DARBA to Robotaxies to warehouses, the full arc of autonomy."

Robotaxies are self-driving cars that you can call like a taxi. Instead of a human driver, the car handles the driving.

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DARBA

"says from DARBA to Robotaxies to warehouses, the full arc of autonomy."

This likely refers to DARPA, a U.S. research agency that funds big technology projects. In self-driving, DARPA has historically supported early breakthroughs in robotics and autonomy.

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Chapter 11 bankruptcy

"“Chapter 11, the chapter six, which means it's not just it's not just Wall Street or investors that get hurt. It's everybody because then you sell the assets, you tear up the tracks…”"

Chapter 11 is a legal process where a company tries to reorganize instead of shutting down right away. For railroads, that can mean big changes that affect service and jobs.

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Conrail

"“The important date was April 1, 1976, when Conrail was formed… not only for the freight railroads… but also the passenger part.”"

Conrail was a company created to take over struggling railroad lines in the Northeast. It helped stabilize rail service after several other railroads went bankrupt.

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Penn Central

"“…the transition from Penn Central and the other six bankrupt railroads to Conrail was the transition that took place on April 1.”"

Penn Central was a major railroad that ended up failing. Its collapse is part of why new railroad structures like Conrail were created.

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Artemis II

"Talk about stirring up memories, Alan. Artemis II is carrying four astronauts around the moon and back. You've got a link. And for both of us..."

Artemis II is a NASA mission where astronauts will go around the Moon and return safely. It’s a step toward longer-term Moon missions.

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Earthrise

"it was a big one simply because of the image that was the photograph that was taken of Earthrise over the moon, you know, in December 1968."

“Earthrise” is a famous picture of Earth appearing over the Moon. It’s iconic because it shows Earth from space in a really striking way.

Company

Waymo

"What we're trying to do with driverless cars is I don't think political. It's just a value to, to society. Absolutely. From MSN, Waymo has doubled its weekly ridership in under a year."

Waymo is a company that builds self-driving technology and runs robotaxi rides for the public. When they talk about ridership, they mean how many paid trips their cars are doing.

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driverless cars

"What we're trying to do with driverless cars is I don't think political. It's just a value to, to society. Absolutely."

Driverless cars are cars that can drive themselves using technology and software. The point here is that if they work well, they can provide real transportation benefits to people.

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paid rides

"Now it's up to like half a million paid rides a week. Yeah. I'm wondering why they're using a half a million per week, as opposed to a hundred thousand per day."

Paid rides mean real customers are paying for the trip, not just testing. That usually suggests the service is working well enough to be offered commercially.

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productivity (per vehicle)

"it indicates that they're probably doing, you know, 25 rides or so per vehicle or per day. And, you know, it's, that's pretty good productivity, especially when you, you know, basically everybody you give a ride to is by themselves."

Here, productivity means how many trips each self-driving car is able to do in a day. More trips per car generally means the service is running efficiently.

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empty vehicle repositioning

"And the real value proposition of the driver list is empty vehicle reposition is to go from the last person you gave off, gave a ride to or per sons to the next person or per sons, you're going to give a ride to."

Sometimes a car has to drive to a different spot before it can pick someone up. That “empty” driving doesn’t carry passengers, so it’s important for the system’s efficiency.

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parking

"So either you sit around and wait, which is what people do with their own cars. And therefore that's why you have parking."

Parking is basically leaving a car sitting until you need it. The speaker is saying that’s what people do with their own cars, while shared/automated systems try to avoid waiting by moving vehicles around.

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Uber and Lyft

"But when we go over there and pick them up, which is really what Uber and Lyft do, except they have a person in there that needs to be paid for that."

Uber and Lyft are apps that connect riders with drivers. The comparison here is that they can keep rides flowing because there’s a real driver ready to pick someone up.

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V2X

"From simply Wall Street, Alan, this might be a head scratcher. V2X Trial in Bordeaux, what's connected mobility story and focus?"

V2X means cars can “talk” to other cars and to things around the road, like signals or infrastructure. That communication can help with safety and smoother traffic.

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connected vehicles

"I mean, actually, it is. I hope it's only when I see it, there's nobody in there besides the driver... Anyway, and it talks about the demo ending... Anyway, trying to think that somebody is going, Mr. Trump is going to be out there controlling traffic with it because as information has to, because they're connected, you can organize everything for greatest efficiency in our roadway"

Connected vehicles are cars that can share information with other cars or with road systems. The hope is that traffic can run smoother and safer because everyone is “in the loop.”

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commodity

"Financial times as a report headlined, self-driving will not make Nissan a commodity, says CEO... Although one would like to do all this so that it is a commodity, so that everybody, commodities are things that everybody can have as opposed to luxuries..."

A “commodity” is something where buyers see no big difference between brands. The discussion is saying self-driving shouldn’t become that—companies want it to feel unique.

Brand

Nissan

"Financial times as a report headlined, self-driving will not make Nissan a commodity, says CEO."

Nissan is the car company being discussed. The point is that their self-driving strategy is supposed to be unique, not just a generic feature everyone has.

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self-driving

"Financial times as a report headlined, self-driving will not make Nissan a commodity, says CEO."

Self-driving means the car can do more of the driving work by itself. Usually a person still has to supervise, depending on the system.

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General Motors

"I mean, it's going to make. I think General Motors is not testing 200 vehicles. I guess they're back to going to make two."

General Motors is the automaker being discussed. The idea is that they tested a lot of cars, but then changed course—likely to improve results or focus their testing.

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hands-free driving

"gains hands-free driving for the first time. This is similar to what I think Ford and GM have, because it operates on interstate highways, at least some of them, many of them, and so it's a step that Subaru is taking now."

Hands-free driving means the car can help steer for you, especially on highways. You still have to pay attention because the system only works in certain situations.

Brand

Subaru

"and so it's a step that Subaru is taking now. Subaru claims that they're better too, so it's not only, it's even better than theirs."

Subaru is the automaker being discussed, and they’re known for safety-focused driver-assist features. The episode suggests Subaru has been improving these systems for years.

Term

EyeSight

"Their eyesight we've talked about in the past was fantastic. I mean, for years I would show their commercial that they made in like 2014, which basically promoted eyesight with this, you know, crash dummies and a crash test."

EyeSight is Subaru’s safety system that uses cameras to watch what’s happening ahead. It can help the car slow down or avoid crashes when it detects danger.

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standard equipment

"and here they are with this, and in the model they're offering it, it's standard equipment."

Standard equipment means you don’t have to pay extra to get the feature—it comes with the car. That can make safety tech more accessible.

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between two white lines

"That doesn't mean they don't have to sit there and keep the darn thing between two white lines because technology is doing that."

It means the car can keep itself centered in the lane. Instead of the driver constantly correcting, the system helps hold the lane.

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responsibility that the individual has to the truck

"Seems like a win-win and you haven't changed the responsibility that the individual has to the truck which is still 24 hours. You've changed what they do over that 24 hours."

Even if the vehicle drives itself, a person may still be responsible if something goes wrong. That’s why the driver might still have to watch and be ready to take over.

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asset to be productive 22 hours

"It's allow the driver to be productive. Allow the asset to be productive 22 hours and repeat it many times."

They’re talking about using the truck more efficiently—getting more hours of real work out of it. Automation could help the truck spend more time moving and less time waiting.

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OSHA

"So and as you were saying that's that's a that's yeah right well if hey for office workers don't they like being on the office worker with with a nice office isn't OSHA supposed to go in there and look at the surrounding ours for workers..."

OSHA is a U.S. agency that focuses on workplace safety. The speaker is asking whether OSHA would need to review safety concerns if truck driving becomes more automated.

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modern AI

"Alan you've got a link to a book in the latest newsletter. Why machines learn the [1952.1s] elegant math behind modern AI by Anil Anantaswamy highly recommended by someone you know."

Modern AI is the kind of computer “learning” used in today’s apps and systems. Here, they’re recommending a book about AI, but then they explain it’s really focused on self-driving cars.

Term

ride-sharing simple economics

"why not we'll see what happens especially when it's ride-sharing simple economics right [2054.3s] I think so although you know airplanes have can you airplanes well yes"

They’re saying the reason ride-sharing makes sense is basically money and efficiency. If more people share one trip, it can cost less and use less energy than everyone traveling separately.

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driverless vehicles

"it's not the math behind modern A to I it's really the math behind driverless vehicles"

Driverless vehicles are cars that can drive themselves. The host is saying the book is about the math that helps make that possible, not just general AI.

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