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About this episode
Voicemails drive the show, starting with a strong “diesel heater” endorsement from Rob in Denver: efficient warm-up to the 30s overnight, low fuel use, and only minor pump noise—plus a safety mindset about not relying on heat as your only backup. The hosts debate diesel heaters vs electric/blanket-style warmth and discuss risk management. Other calls cover avalanche psychology (biases and headspace), snow tire siping/tread and snow-condition differences, and a wide-ranging, comedic Nick segment. The rest shifts to relationship/family-time advice, trip planning, and a birthday shoutout.
Topics:
diesel heater camping efficiency
diesel heater safety and backup planning
warmth preferences: heating air vs warming bedding
avalanche course and risk mindset
self confirmation bias in wilderness situations
snow tire tread, siping, and snow conditions
mt vs at vs mud terrain tire performance in snow
relationship time management for vehicle projects
planning trips when spouse is away
podcast community voicemails and shoutouts
This Week’s Callers
- Caller 1: K5 Rob likes his diesel heater
- Caller 2: Nick from MT hints at Camping vs. Glamping
- Caller 3: Nick from MT suggests AT and siped tires for the snow
- Caller 4: Nick from MT talks about Homeless vs Unhoused
- Caller 5: Uncle Weirdo says Thanks
- Caller 6: Jeff from Morgan talks about forgiveness
- Caller 7: Richard from Atlanta says his wife is going on a girls’ trip, maybe he should go somewhere
- Caller 8: Boondock Brian plays SnailTrail4x4 at half speed, so funny.
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What is up, everybody?
Welcome to Friday's episode.
Happy Friday, everybody out there.
But this is our favorite segment of the week.
Snail Mail.
Snail Mail.
Oh, yeah.
The audience from outside is yelling snail mail at us.
Man, all right.
So we got a doozy.
We got a long one.
No, there's a lot of them.
Well, we ended last time, I think, at 34.
Okay.
What are we at now?
43.
43.
Yeah.
Okay.
So nine came in.
Nine came in.
So we got to do 10 today.
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You ready?
You're ready.
All right.
Here we go.
First one up is Rob.
Reckett Rob from Denver?
Oh, Rob from Denver.
Denver, Rob.
All right.
Let's see what he says.
Hey, Tyler, Jimmy, Rob from Denver, Blazer guy, getting in on, not getting in on the camping
versus clapping thing, but driving from Rapid City to Denver.
Today, listening to Snail Mail and the comment came up about diesel heaters, dude, they work.
I put one in my camper at the Blazer just before I took a trip back in January down
there, so it wasn't like super cold, but it did get down into the end of the thirties
overnight.
And I'm old and I'm a wuss and I don't like being cold, so I fired that thing up.
I had it ripping inside my camper since it's 75 degrees to 80, and I shut it off,
jumped into my zero degree bag and just snoozed all night warm and toasty.
So, they're really efficient.
I think I might have used on a five or six night trip.
I might have used a half a gallon of diesel, maybe a gallon tops, but really just sips
diesel, totally worth it, a little bit of noise from the fuel pump.
It's got a kind of a clicky-clicking style pump to it, but I'll take a little bit
of noise versus nice warm temps inside my camper and no real fear of seal poisoning
and falling asleep permanently.
So, if you need to retrofit something or put one in the tear ground, dude, it's
totally worth it for a thirties and really, really, really work well.
So, got my definite seal of approval on it, totally worth it.
So, you get a camp, cold weather, definitely get one.
Otherwise, I'm going to go back to listening to snail mail and point
it south out of Rapid City, all in ass.
So, thanks, guys, later.
This conversation is interesting to me personally.
All right, got real quick.
OK, so that is Rob.
He's the one with the K five four wheel campers campers laser.
I thought he said the laser laser Rob with the laser.
I was like, that's what I thought you should know Rob with laser.
Yeah, I like lasers.
Yeah, blazer. OK, OK, five.
Yeah. Yeah.
So connecting the dots there. OK, continue.
I really the thing that I love about cold weather is that it's cold
weather. Yes, like, but I'm weird, though.
Like, I can't survive in hot weather.
Right. You're right on two things right there.
Yeah, that's so like I love being warm in cold weather.
OK, I don't necessarily want to change the air temperature around me,
but I love being bundled up warm.
That's what I think one of the reasons why I love the electric blanket
solution for cold weather camping.
Correct. Is because I like the really coldness on my face,
but being bundled up in my mummy bag. Sure. Right.
So like, I don't for me personally, like I I'm I think diesel
who heaters do absolutely work great if you're looking to change the air
temperature. Sure. And that's I don't think that's what I would want.
OK, and so that's like I've always been I've always been
shied away from diesel heaters.
I've always been like, never not for me kind of thing.
I think that's the reason why. Sure.
I like cold air temperatures. Yeah.
I yeah, I mean, we've talked about diesel heaters before.
Yeah, one of the things I always like to stress is
don't put yourself in an environment that if you're
heating elements fail you, that you're going to have a really bad situation.
You know, so don't go if you don't have a diesel heater
or if you use your diesel heater and you're so used to using your diesel
heater, all you do is ever bring a blanket with you.
But you know, or a sheet, right?
And then your diesel fails and now it's going to be super cold
and you're going to like have some problems like that's a bad thing.
You need to be able to survive by yourself and then add these accessories
that can help you or make it easier on you.
Like, for example, the electric mattress pad that we use.
For the most part, we only turn it on to warm the bed up.
And then as soon as we get into bed, we turn it off.
And then it's just a factor of like I'm cold
and I want to get into a warm bed.
I don't want to be the warm person getting into a cold bed.
Right. That's that's the gist of it.
And then it's off and then we have enough blankets
and everything to keep us warm throughout the night. Yeah.
But I also under I completely understand and and I don't know
if I want to say slightly agree, but kind of agree with what you're stating.
I do like the cold, like I would mind sleeping outside in cold weather
and being in a nice warm bag and having my coldness on my face
but my entire body is warm like that.
That is an appealing thing for me.
That's half the battle or half the reason I love sleeping in a hammock.
Right. I'm out in the elements.
I'm totally warm around me and, you know, it's chilly outside
and I'm comfortable. I love it.
So I get it. I get both sides of this coin.
I think if I threw a small diesel heater into the teardrop trailer,
one, I think it's just going to be overkill for the teardrop trailer.
The space is so small, I think it'd be fine.
One apartment goes up to 80 degrees.
Pretty much, right?
Yeah, that's why we have that ceiling fan in there.
Got to pull that weed out sometimes.
You have diesel vent in there. Yeah, exactly.
But and like we went camping this last weekend
and I had that that vent open because it was just warm enough on the inside.
So I mean, I think it but I think the assistant would like it.
Right. So I think there's people that like the want to warm space.
Or there's people that just want a warm, like sleeping area.
Yeah. So I think there's people on both sides of that coin.
For sure. Rob sounds like he just wants a warm space.
He wants somewhere to get out of the elements into a warm area.
Yeah. And not not just be the bed.
Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah.
Yeah. And you're also now Rob with lasers.
With the laser. With the laser.
Thanks for calling in. That's a that's a fun topic to diesel heaters verse.
I don't know. Electric other stuff.
How do you how do you make your glamping better with lasers?
All right. Next up is oh man.
Did he do really do a three Pete?
Oh no, they're separate times.
He called back Nick from Montana.
All right. We have three voicemails all from separate times of the day.
So interesting. Yeah.
All right. Here we go.
About, you know, I guess we ignite the old
camping versus glamping. Hold on.
Providence now.
We'll get to that in a second.
One of the reasons I think that camping and glamping and like money
says mentality is exactly what happened with J or K or C or C or whatever
the fuck it was that was, you know, kind of going to those dark places
like I'm going to die tonight and in reality, like maybe,
but if you think it's going to happen,
so being able to like take one step at a time
in the military world, the elephant, you stick one bite at a time
and move forward and get better.
And the same with like avalanche stuff, slightly different.
With that group, I don't know specifics yet that we said he hasn't come out yet,
but there's been called a heuristic trap as a philosophical
concept in that like I'm an expert.
I have done all this stuff.
I'm with a bunch of experts.
We're not going to get stuck in avalanche.
Like, well, you know, the avalanche still gets the most mess
and the avalanche is still brilliant.
So I do recommend to everybody that goes out in the snow,
go take avalanche course and understand it.
Things like how you guys waited to go back out and rescue after the rain.
Rain is really cool thing from the snowmelt.
It's a really cool thing where it will
free freeze in the snowpack and will actually create little columns
and essentially put these icicle three bar kind of things
through the snowpack so that it becomes more and more stable
with a massive oversubmitation.
But it's not an avalanche trap.
It's always bad things being curbs, you know, like sucks, but,
you know, it would seem to lose some.
My brother's not dying.
Anyway, that's all I am.
God are you.
All right.
So we went from camping to glamping to avalanche.
Yeah. OK.
Yeah, just trying to follow along.
The main thing was I think he was trying to relate from
camping, glamping and I thought where he was going with the
psychological thing.
I forget what he how what term he used.
But like there's a self serving bias.
What is it exactly called?
The one that I was thinking that he was going to get into.
But it's essentially self confirmation bias where like if you're
thinking something's going to happen, sometimes you think
yourself into those situations.
Sure. And so if you're just constantly freaking out at nighttime
or that, oh, my God, I'm going to get attacked by an animal.
Someone's going to come into my camp and harm me or something
like that. And you get so worked up about it, you know,
somebody could be coming into your camp to be like, hey,
dude, we we we ran out of firewood.
Do you have any extra we could borrow or something like that?
But you think that they're coming to attack you.
So you escalate the situation.
Now all of a sudden they're attacking you because you've
escalated the situation because you thought they were going to
attack you. Right. So self confirmation bias is a big thing.
And that's one of the reasons why it's so important to keep a
clear mindset and a good headspace when you're out in the
elements, out in the wilderness, out possibly fighting for
your life in avalanche zones.
And I think that's where he was kind of going with the when
he got into the avalanche stuff, which was kind of the
opposite direction where you underplay the situation because
you're so self confidence because you are one of the more
experienced people out there.
You're with a group of super experienced people with all of
these other experienced people.
So we're all looking out for each other.
And when you all start looking out for each other, nobody's
looking out for themselves.
Kind of sort of, yeah, it's like the other side of self
confirmation bias, right?
Where you you're now overly confident about stuff and
you're you're not actually keeping a clear headspace and
evaluating the risks.
Sure. Right.
Of being out in the wilderness or outside, I should say,
because wilderness is a very different thing.
You're not allowed in wilderness.
Oh, you are.
I guess you can get there.
Yeah.
Anyways, where the avalanche happened was wilderness.
It was wilderness area, but it's also, I don't know.
Actually, I'm afraid because there is a snowmobile area
right there, too.
So I don't I'm not sure.
I don't know.
Anyways, yeah, the full report, I think the full report
was just released in the past few days from that avalanche.
So I'd be curious.
I'm sure Nick has been paying attention to it and the
search and rescue team there has also been paying
attention to it and we'll be using it as a case study.
So Nick, I'd be curious because I haven't looked at
the report yet.
I don't know if I'll have time to sit down and try and
find it and look through it and glean anything from it.
So if you do, if you if you heard stuff about it and what
that final report shows about the actions and what happened
that day.
So yeah, sounds good.
Uh, I think that's it.
I think that was it moving on to Nick to Nick again.
Uh, something about tires.
Okay, here we go.
It's me again.
Um, also forgot about tires.
An important thing on snow tires is the sighting for
like snow and ice.
Um, so just generally I rock kind of being the, uh, main
outlier, the tighter the tread pattern, the better.
Um, and the more sighting, the more, the more opportunity
you have to get surface area onto the traction surface, uh,
the better things feel.
Um, so mud drains suck in snow and ice.
Uh, and that's why everybody's failing and falling apart.
Uh, especially if like the, uh, Baja pro X, whatever big
giant, uh, they're great for mud because they can actually
move, uh, weight around.
But when you put it in the snow, they just chew and eat
and auger themselves down into, and they just find mud.
Uh, anyway, that's all looking proud of you later.
No gonorrhea.
No gonorrhea.
Disappointed.
Yeah.
We talked a little bit at length about MTs versus ATs in
that kind of style, um, out here.
I think a lot of it kind of comes down to just, there's
some different snow conditions and different parts of
the area, you know, that I can understand how an AT tire,
um, is good for like a louder, lighter, puffier
kind of snowy condition where I can see how a mud
terrain tire is better for where we kind of live, where
it's just thick and heavy and dense snow.
I think there's also very wet snow.
Um, I think there's also, so there just needs to be a
little bit of clarity there for what type of snow
driving.
Are we talking about where is it endless depth snow?
And you're trying to, you know, go out and adventure
to a lake where you're 10 feet above the ground or
you're driving on the road.
Yep.
So I think there's definitely some clarity a little bit
that needs to happen because I think it could be one
way or the other on some of those.
I've definitely seen, uh, the BFG KO twos, they're
all terrain, the old all terrain, um, work awesome
one day in the snow and then terribly the next
day in the snow.
Right.
Um, and I've seen Irox pretty much always work
really, really well in the snow, but I've also seen
them not work very well in the snow.
Um, and then on, then it's weird on like the days
when the Irox don't work, the KO twos work great.
It's like, it's really, it's, I think it has more
to do with the snow conditions per se than the
tire you run and the types of tire.
If you're doing unlimited depth off road snow
wheeling, now I think when it comes to road
driving and in the snow and I see conditions on
road, a lot goes into that.
And I think more of the tire compound makes a
bigger difference than necessarily tread pattern,
siping all that stuff, but, um, there's definitely
more than one way to skin and cat, throw it
across the yard.
So, um, I, I've, I often, I'm, I'm a nerd
with tires, right?
Yeah.
My business center is around tires based around
tires, um, and it's, and I love snow
wheeling and it's always interesting to me
dealing with the different snow conditions.
And there's some days I'm like, God, I wish I had
a different tire or wish I, I'm really glad I have
these tires and, um, uh, so there's no winning.
There's really no winning.
I will say the 37 inch and down Patagonia's
work way better in unlimited depth snow than
the 38 and up inch Patagonia's.
Um, and the only thing I can equate to that is
the 38 and inch up has a much tighter, uh, much
smaller void ratio in their tread pattern.
Then the 37 is down.
The 37 is down, have a lot more space in
between the lugs.
Um, and once I opened up those lugs on the
40 inch Patagonia's, they started working
in the snow again.
So, uh, I've definitely, uh, there is an
argument to be said in certain conditions with
more rubber, more surface area, more
better, but I've definitely seen it in
conditions where more rubber, more surface
area, more bad.
Okay.
So it's not, it's not always, uh, and I'll
be all it's a very, very dynamic situations
when you're snow wheeling and dealing with
snow conditions and ice conditions and wet
conditions versus slick conditions.
So it's, uh, um, just be cautious.
I think it comes a lot down to driver
awareness and what those conditions are and
what your tires work well in for those
conditions and being able to adjust your
driving patterns for the conditions.
Yep.
So yeah, and bring the diesel heater, bring
the diesel heater with you.
Yeah.
Uh, next up, Nick from Montana, Montana.
Here we go.
So if you're soggy socks, Nick again, uh, I
should probably stop calling and I'm going
to be like the majority of them.
Anyway, uh, here's my professional opinion
about hobo versus homeless, uh, versus the
unhoused.
I don't know what the fuck unhoused is.
Uh, they're 100% are people who have fallen
upon hard times and shit happens.
Like I knew a dude in Silicon Valley.
Um, he was like one of our tree confliers
in the ER that like lost his house.
Well, so he lost his job, lost his house,
lost his wife, like, uh, because in the
08 crash, uh, so he like, he didn't have
health insurance.
So he couldn't take care of himself and
like his just part failure got worse and
worse and worse and like it is just like
one of those sad sack things.
On the other hand, I've met some feral fucking
raccoons of human beings, uh, who just
want to be homeless and they're in it
for the lifestyle and the fucking smell,
I guess, um, which sounds like I'm an
uncompassionate piece of shit, which
I might be, um, but I've worked too
much EMS and ER to like care, uh, to the
like recording stuff, don't commit a crime
while you're committing a crime, uh, and
certainly don't fucking record it, uh, and
put it out and try to educate people
and all that.
Like it just, those guys don't want to
be educated, um, if you're in a fight
and it's always fun.
Uh, something about pooping together,
uh, said Alex, it's a bonding experience.
If you haven't pooped with your buddies, uh,
you should do it.
Jimmy and Tyler, you know, make use of
that underwear.
Uh, and lastly, everybody needs to walk
around in nature naked at least once, but
just wander around the woods, be naked,
be weird, uh, try to not catch a charge.
Uh, all right, I am gonorrhea.
I'm going to stop calling for a while.
And if you're walking around naked
in the woods, don't film it and put
it on anywhere I shouldn't be.
Yeah, there's websites for that.
There's definitely one.
And I'm sure that's content for some
people on those websites.
Um, thank you, Nick.
I love all your, your colorful topics.
They're, they're great.
And, uh, I'm not sure how to respond
to some of them.
Yeah, I mean, I pretty much agree.
It's with all of them.
I don't know.
I agree.
There are people that have had problems
in life and they are unhoused, shall
we say it?
And there's people that are just don't
care for life in a, uh, or the life
that is available to them and they
want to be homeless.
Yeah, they don't really want to be a
part of society.
So they just want to do their own
thing and not be a part of anything
else.
And I think that's unrealistic.
Well, some people still try and do it.
There's that one guy.
What was, I forgot, they made a movie
out of him that like he gave away
all his money and cut up all his
credit cards and Christian McCannless
and went to Alaska and live, was
living in Alaska.
And he ended up dying because he ate
some the wrong berries and was
trying to live off the land and just
be part of nature and be a part of
the world and not so much a society
person.
And I mean, you can definitely do it.
There's places probably in this
world that are still remote enough
that you can, you can take yourself
out of, you know, the hustle and
bustle and you can put yourself in
a situation where, you know, you're
in a small town where somebody's
growing the sheep and somebody's
growing wheat and somebody's, you
know, growing the cows and, you know,
you have some meat and some milk and
some bread and that's your life.
Or you can go live with the
gorillas or the bears or whatever.
Oh, you can do whatever you want.
Nicholas, you put your mind to it.
Yeah, I believe in you.
And what would also he bring up
in there pooping with friends with
friends?
Agreed.
Yeah.
Yep.
Especially if I've had the bullseye.
It works really well if you go back
to back so you can support each
other while you're squatting.
That that's always a great way
that Jimmy and I have found to do it.
So that have you ever played
battleships, Nick?
That's what I don't know.
I don't think I've heard that one.
No, no.
All right, describe it.
Now I need to know now.
It's it's like battleship.
Okay.
But you do plops.
And you start calling out the
ships and you kind of go so you
can create a grid on the ground
and then plop in the grid.
I'm always in a toilet next to
somebody, but you just kind of
calling out the ships that you're
taking out and then they start
calling out your ships with their
plops.
Okay, I got it.
And you see who's going to sink
each other's ships fastest.
Okay.
All right, sounds good.
I've never heard of that before.
It's right up there with sword fighting.
I've heard of that.
All right, walking around naked in
the woods and they're done that.
Yep, I agree.
It's a great time.
So, but I'm like I'm like partly
a nudist at heart.
So yeah, if it wasn't for society
and me wanting to be a part of
society, I'd be nude and I'd
have everybody around me nude
all the time.
Like I just I don't care.
It doesn't bother me and I
get really overheated very easily.
So I'm like, I just take them
all off.
Anyways, yeah, it was wasn't my
goal in college or I mean just
not even college, but it wasn't
quite my goal hanging out or
going to the parties and being
a part of having the fun in
college.
But it was part of that
experience was trying to convince
the girls that I'm hanging out
with stripped down naked and do
some naked run with me.
Whether it was around the cul-
the sack or to the tree and
back or whatever it was.
Just every party in college
would be a point in time in
the night when Jimmy would
recommend go do a naked run
around the block.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
That's more hot and
damson and all you guys
can call in and agree.
Borsak, call in.
I need some stories.
Thank you.
Yeah, next up.
Uncle Weirdo, I think.
OK, here we go.
Hey, guys, how's it going?
We're over here.
This is Monday, March 9th
and I was calling in to say one.
Thank you to Wreck-It-Raw
for the birthday gift.
But also thank you to you guys
for the collaboration to go ahead
and send me that
that gift out to me.
That was pretty awesome.
My birthday was last
this past Friday on the 6th
and it was pretty awesome to
definitely call in by surprise.
Definitely appreciate all the stickers
and that was pretty cool.
Uncle Weirdo on the label.
My wife got a crack up
out of that.
But yeah, just want to say thank you
guys and keep crawling.
Have a good one.
Nice.
Yeah, Uncle
or Uncle Rob, Rob, Wreck-It-Raw
contacted me when I was doing
the hoodies and we got
a hoodie for Uncle Weirdo.
Nice.
And then I brought it here
to the Moor Flate place
and I said, you guys need to do
the Moor Flate touch on this hoodie.
And then we need to send it to
Uncle Weirdo, our Uncle Wreck-It-Raw.
But we sent it to one of the two first
and then it ended up going to Uncle
Weirdo for his birthday present.
Nice.
Did he say his birthday was the 6th
of March? Was that?
Did I hear that correctly?
I could probably find it,
but it was somewhere around there.
Birthday was left this past Friday
on the 6th. Yeah.
So yeah, he's got the same birthday
as my kid.
Yeah. His read.
And one month before yours.
And one month before mine.
And it's currently April 10th.
So we are 31 days, 32 days
from listening to voice spells.
All right. We'll catch it up.
All right. Next up, Jeff from Oregon.
Here we go.
Hey, this is Jeff from Oregon.
I have been listening to your podcast
for a while and I've always heard
Jimmy talk about how it's hard
to find time with the family
to work on a vehicle.
And one of the things that my dad
told me when I was starting
relationships is he gave me two
pieces of advice.
If her mom's fat, she's going to get
fat and never ask for permission.
If you want to do something
when you start dating,
you ask her if she wants to go.
She doesn't want to go.
You go.
Even if you don't really want to go,
you still go to prove the point
that you're going to go
and you can't get talked out of it.
And so that's worked for my dad.
They're still married
like 50 years later.
My mom realized really early
that three days after they got married,
he went hunting for a month
that she wasn't going to stop him
and he's going to do what he wants to do.
So now if you're in a relationship
to get the cycle broken,
this is how it has to go.
Come home from work.
You say, I'm going out to work on my
vehicle or my truck in the garage.
She gets mad.
You go out there.
It's quiet.
She's not out there to nag at you.
So you work on it.
If you get done, you come back
in the house and she's pissed off
and she starts running her mouth.
You just simply turn around,
go back out in the garage.
When you come back in,
she's still running her mouth.
Do it again.
Repeat this cycle over and over.
This could take a while.
Eventually you want to get her so mad
that she's just quiet.
And you come back in and you go to bed.
The next day you come home,
you do it all over again.
The cycle.
This could take several weeks,
but eventually you'll get to the point that
you'll be able to work on your vehicle
and she'll learn that if she's nice to you,
you'll stay in the house more.
So that's my advice, younger guys.
Don't ask for permission.
Do what you want to do.
And if she wants to come along great,
if she doesn't, still do it.
And yeah, it's really good being divorced, by the way.
And you have to ask for permission.
You probably drive a Land Rover.
They still suck.
Oh, that was great.
That's funny.
Thank you, Jeff.
I needed that today.
Oh, that was awesome.
I was going to ask, how's your marriage going, Jeff?
Jeff, that's funny.
That is pretty funny.
Yeah, I don't, I 100% have talked about this multiple times
throughout the podcast, throughout the years.
You know, and it's been an interesting journey
because before, let's see, when did we started this in 2019?
I was, I was dating the assistant.
Yeah.
We weren't married, right?
And you were dating the secretary.
You weren't married.
Since then, we've grown closer and we both got married,
not to each other, but we both have gotten married.
Now we're living the married life.
I think, and I'll say this, I think there's a level of FOMO
that I have where I want to be with the family,
but I also want to work on my rig.
And to a small extent, I feel like it's more important
that I do things with my family than me working on the rig.
Granted, there's a level of responsibility in work
and getting, making money, which is difficult at times.
You could go be a hobo.
I could be a, I'd probably be a homeless or unhoused at first.
But I think that there's a level which I also need
to be a responsible parent and be there for the family.
And then on the back burner of all that is the mini assistant
who isn't my kid, my stepdaughter.
In my personal opinion, I think has an absolutely shitty father.
And I'm trying to show her the, Tyler's raisin, yes.
I agree.
OK, two votes for shitty father.
But so I'm trying to show the mini assistant
because I think that's one of the most important things
is to show what a family is supposed to be,
how a father is supposed to be,
so that she has an understanding of good versus bad,
especially when she grows up and starts dating herself,
that she kind of has this understanding of,
well, this is how her father has done things
and this is how my stepdad is doing things
and my stepdad seems to be much happier than her dad.
Yeah. So I don't know.
All that all that is more or less summed up with
I feel it's very important for me to have family time
and not as important.
I feel that the family time is more important than working on a truck.
The truck is still important.
It's just not as important as family time
and I need to find a way to balance those two.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a I agree.
There is it's interesting
because you mentioned that the the part about when she starts dating,
right? And what is the type of personality that she wants to look after?
What is the bar set for? Right? Sure.
And we how do I word this without giving it away?
We have a friend who had a daughter very young.
OK. And the the friend came from a very broken home.
OK. And the a lot of the family members were on drugs.
One was a very bad alcoholic.
And she kind of was this glimmer from the family that was able to get out
and and end up in a career kind of thing, right?
Ended up with a college education in a career.
And but then she had the daughter young
with a guy that was in and out of jail a lot. OK.
And so we were we're like we've been kind of
my wife has been growing up with this daughter.
The daughter's been growing up around my wife the whole time.
And we just learned that the daughter is 19 years old
and just got pregnant and moved to Las Vegas. Sure. OK.
So it's like how do you how do you break the cycle?
How do you break the cycle of I don't say bad upbringings?
Yeah. But I think it just goes to show how important it is
to really understand that kids are looking up to their parents as
a bar that's being set for how life should happen. Right. Sure.
And as they become adults, are they going to be shooting for that bar
going lower than the bar or trying to go higher than the bar? Right.
So that was a big eye opener for me recently. Yeah.
And so yeah. Yeah, I think I mean, I have fantastic parents.
I think my parents are amazing people.
I think they did a fantastic job raising two boys,
one of which was had probably ADHD and ADD and everything.
And nobody knew what it was at that time.
And I'm pointing at myself.
My brother was much more calm
and relaxed compared to me as a child and my parents are great.
And I honestly don't know if I can live up to how wonderful they were as parents.
Right. But I'm trying to be better. Yeah.
And I hope that every parent is trying to do better than their parents
because that's the only way you're going to make a better society to some extent.
Yeah. So all that said, I need to find a balance.
I think you need a balance to one level or another in everything you do.
And, you know, at the moment, my balance is Thursdays for a few hours.
I get some shop time with hustle nuts and we get to do shop and play shop
and hang out and I maybe the hangout is more important than the shop.
But it's still time that I get to spend with a friend.
And my family knows that's my shop time.
And then if I can find more ways to make more time, that's what I'll do.
Yes. Yeah. Cool.
Should do one more.
Well, we're only at seven.
So yeah, I think we got a few more after this.
All right. Next up, Richard from Atlanta.
Jimmy Tyler, Richard from Atlanta.
Been all caught up on episodes for a minute now.
I just wanted to, I guess, what, 688 the interview with Chris or whoever
with the KOH that was a great episode here and here and all that.
Do could definitely talk and Mr.
Good stuff to say.
Randomness, I think the wife is going to be planning a girl's trip.
She usually goes on one of those once a year, kind of prior to the summer
with the family getting kicked off.
And she's going to be going up to the freaking, well, she's
planning on going up to like Montana and some other states up that way.
Again, they're they're trying to visit, like, you know,
as many states as they can over the course of a period of time.
But this is going to be a longer trip for her.
Which leads me to thinking maybe I need to damn go somewhere.
You know, I'm kind of kind of thinking of my maybe trying to fly out to California.
I'd like I'd like to wheel somewhere.
I know I keep talking about this, but like there's just certain things
that that I'll say, like the Rubicon, right?
She's not going to spend the night out and do that kind of stuff.
I personally don't have a lot of experience doing that,
but I really want to do the Rubicon somehow, some way.
It'd be great to do it in our own vehicle.
I just don't see if that's that's going to be a possibility at the moment.
So, yeah, I'm just I'm kind of considering where do I go?
What do I do while she's out of town, which leads me into
kind of an attached topic is when you guys have free time like that,
bear in mind what I'm saying.
My wife is going to be out town for several days.
So my honey-do list is, you know,
doesn't get a lot of attention paid to it sometimes.
That time absolutely flies by and I always say, yeah, I'm going to do this.
I'm going to do that.
I'm going to go see this friend or I'm going to go do this, you know,
and I'm going to go, you know, whatever.
And then like I end up just like sitting chill and not really
accomplishing what I was after or trying to do.
Do you guys find that happens to you?
So anyway, just find that back in, you know,
I don't know if I want to go out California or maybe like go back to Arizona,
which I haven't even talked about yet.
And just because I'm at the familiar place,
I can kind of I've got some contacts out there now and go wheeling.
So kind of my summer struggle before the family vacation.
Yeah, I'll keep crawling.
Good questions.
Yeah, I've got a good answer for sort of time management, but I think
you should go on a trip.
If you have the means and the availability and the set up.
I mean, yeah, why not?
I mean, whether it's even just a trip over to like Savannah or,
you know, down to Florida or up to Maine or out to California, you know,
it's like, yeah, go do something fun too.
You know, maybe you can drag another buddy around and you guys can do
like a boys trip when your wife goes and does the girls trip.
I mean, I say why not?
Yeah, I agree.
I think that we just just got done talking about life balance.
Right? Yeah.
So a lot of times I find that a lot of family spouses, they spend a lot
of time together, and I think it's really important for families and
spouses to also spend time away from each other, right?
You're not always going to line up a hundred percent of things
that you love doing that your spouse loves doing.
And so if your spouse is gone for a few days, doing something
that she loves doing, you should also take that opportunity,
go and do something that you like doing.
If you like doing the honey, do list and that that is like one of the
things that you're just enjoy doing.
You can now do it without your wife being around and getting in the way.
Maybe you have doing the list or distracting you from doing the list.
Do that.
If you want to go on a trip and do something for yourself.
Do I think that it's very, very important.
And I think a lot of spouses overlook the importance or maybe
underplay the importance of still going out and doing things that they
as an individual person really enjoy doing.
So yeah, I think that by by doing that kind of stuff and getting those times
to go out and be an individual within your marriage and your spouse,
it helps keep the marriage strong too.
So I agree.
I think that's wise words from Tyler for the first time ever.
Hey, come on.
In regards to your follow-up or your secondary question about, you know,
you have all these grand plans that you want to go and do,
but then you end up finding that you've played Minecraft the entire time
while your wife was gone.
I mean, that just didn't happen to me.
One of the things that I've been doing lately with my day to day life
is I write down three tasks that I want to do during the day.
I write down a primary task that I need to complete that day.
And then two secondary tasks that if I finished my primary task,
I'd be happy for these two secondary tasks.
Only three items because I find if I write down five or six or seven,
then it's just overwhelming to me.
And I don't know what to do, like which one to kind of take care of first.
And so I found that if I make it a simpler to-do list to some extent,
though, like here's my primary task and then I have two secondary tasks.
Even if I finish those two secondary tasks,
I can move on to something else in the day and I become,
I still feel accomplished.
So I would say start with a goal of having doing something small or have
smaller goals instead of this one monster goal,
because then you feel like you wasted your time because you didn't,
you didn't complete everything that you had on your list, right?
So say, you know, like, hey, I really, while they're gone,
I really want to go visit my brother wherever he is.
I also want to clean the garage.
And I also want to make sure the house is clean for when my wife comes home.
After you finish those three things,
whatever you do after that's gravy, you're having a good time.
So I would say write down if you're three essential things
with one being the primary thing that you absolutely want to do.
And then if you get to the other two, you'll be happy.
That's that's your goal of and I do that on the daily
with just even work tasks.
And then I usually try to do that with a monthly goal as well for myself.
Nice. Yeah, I like it. Yeah.
I think it's important to have down days.
I don't I don't I don't get them that often.
So like if but it's also I think it's a big problem
if you have a lot of down days.
So yeah, you need to balance that again, balance in life.
So absolutely.
And if she's gone for a week or a bunch of days, you said,
and you have three things to do on your list,
maybe it takes you three days to go visit your brother, right?
And then you come home.
You still have two or three more days to do two tasks.
You can have a down day.
You can play Minecraft all day if you want, you know,
you get as long as that other one extra day that you have left,
you can finish your two other tasks. You're good.
Yeah, still got to be productive.
Yeah, but you can definitely have down days should do one more.
Let's do one more.
All right. This one is Boondock, Brian and North Carolina.
All right. What's up, Jimmy and Tyler?
This is Brian Boondock out in North Carolina.
I was listening to the podcast today and I had accidentally hit
the turtle button while I was trying to pause it.
You can go down about half speed.
And I hope you can hear this because this is freaking hilarious.
For the glue tread,
all the tire, the expedition kit here,
we have our hands right there by your
does other way down there.
I was looking for nothing.
I don't see it.
What do we call this?
Oh, it is up here, too.
OK, the expedition kit.
I remember it and if you're watching or listening,
I remember it before I had to read it.
Andy, let me say that I do shout out to Andy and Brian.
Andy, just Andy.
Brian wasn't there.
I don't know how to go.
So Andy, the owner of Glue Tread,
who we've known for a few years now,
I know we have a decent relationship with them.
You know, I consider him a friend.
Right.
If you guys have not listened to the Glue Tread
Rubicon script episode, you got to go listen to it.
Yeah, I think that's the next thing you have to do.
And Andy is one of those guys that's just genuine.
He's just a great guy.
Right. So while we're at Downing King,
the Hammers this last year, I handed Andy
a koozie, a snail trail four by four koozie, right?
And anyway, we're about to run out of time.
So I thought you might get a kick out of that and lay off the cold ones, man.
That was great.
I was exactly going to say that we were plastered that whole time.
We are plastered.
We actually recorded that speed and I bump it up to just to sound normal.
Oh, that was great.
That was amazing. Yeah, that it.
So if you ever, Brian, if you ever get out here
and you come out to one of our camping runs and I fall in the fire,
that's exactly how I sound.
Yeah, yeah. Oh, no.
Look at my pants, guys.
They're on fire.
All right, should we get in there?
That was great. That's a great ending spot. Thanks, Brian.
I don't know what I did to the voicemails, but there are there we go.
Now they're loading properly.
All right, anyways, one there.
Thank you, Brian. That was great.
That was fantastic. I'm wiping tears away.
So if you guys want to call in, leave us a voicemails.
Maybe you find some some great little hidden tidbit like the turtle button
on your podcast player.
You can give us a call. Let us know.
It's 916-345-4744. All right.
We love hearing from you guys.
We love interacting with you guys.
And so this is definitely the episode.
Jimmy and I love doing the most each week
because we get to sit back, relax and chat with you guys.
So absolutely keep calling in.
Yeah, we also started a Discord server.
So if you want to get in contact with us quicker
and you have some questions for us,
I'll add the link down below on the snail mail episodes.
I don't think it's down there yet.
So I'll add that link and you can jump over to Discord
and chat with us directly, immediately, faster than a month.
That's for sure.
And so, yeah, you can do that or you can call in 916-345-4744
and leave us a voicemail as well.
Perfect. And I guess that about does it for today.
Have a great weekend, everybody.
We'll see you Monday with some fun information.
And that's it, man. Bye bye.
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