Soza on Used Disciplines, Byrd on First Pencils, Lawrence on EVs | Daily Dealer Live
About this episode
Dealers in three very different lanes—ultra-luxury, credit/desking tech, and used EVs—break down what’s changing in 2026. Lonnie Sosa (Post Oak Motorcars) argues used luxury growth depends on disciplined inventory buying, the right culture hires, and hospitality-style trust. Michael Byrd (Informative) pushes “Smart Pencil” with early soft-pull credit to create fundable quotes faster and reduce compliance risk. Alex Lawrence (EV Auto) celebrates used EV momentum and driverless taxi rides, then focuses on FTC “advertised price” compliance and what it means for pricing transparency. Tariffs, recalls, and tax-refund sales effects set the backdrop.
Post Oak Motorcars
"Lonnie Sosa running post oak motorcars where the average deal is, well, high value."
Post Oak Motorcars is the dealership Lonnie Sosa runs. They describe it as doing higher-value deals, meaning they likely sell to a different kind of customer than a typical budget-focused lot.
Post Oak Motorcars is identified as the dealership where Lonnie Sosa operates. The episode frames it as a high-value average deal shop, which can imply a different customer profile and pricing strategy than volume used lots.
first pencil
"Michael Byrd from Informative, the guy promising to end the guessing game on your first pencil."
A “first pencil” is the first set of numbers a dealer puts together for a deal. If those numbers are solid, the whole negotiation usually goes smoother.
“First pencil” is dealership jargon for the initial deal worksheet—your first attempt at structuring price, trade value, financing terms, and monthly payment. It matters because the first numbers often set the negotiation direction and can reduce back-and-forth if they’re realistic.
tax credit is dead
"And Alex Lawrence from EV Auto, six months after the tax credit is dead. His used EV lot is, well, it's on fire, plus he's been down south driving Tesla EVs in a taxi fleet."
They’re saying the EV tax credit stopped being available under the old rules. When that happens, fewer people qualify or want to buy, so used EV prices and sales can shift.
The phrase refers to the federal EV tax credit expiring or being no longer available under the prior rules. That’s important because incentives can strongly affect demand, pricing, and how dealers source inventory.
EV Auto
"And Alex Lawrence from EV Auto, six months after the tax credit is dead."
They mention EV Auto as the business Alex Lawrence works with. It’s tied to selling used electric vehicles.
EV Auto is mentioned as the company Alex Lawrence represents, focused on used EV inventory. The segment frames it as being active in the used EV market right after changes to federal incentives.
used EV lot
"And Alex Lawrence from EV Auto, six months after the tax credit is dead. His used EV lot is, well, it's on fire, plus he's been down south driving Tesla EVs in a taxi fleet."
A “used EV lot” just means a dealership lot that sells used electric cars. Used EVs can be priced and sold differently than gas cars because of things like battery condition and charging.
A “used EV lot” refers to dealer inventory focused on pre-owned electric vehicles. This is a distinct retail segment because EVs have different pricing drivers (battery health, charging access, incentive eligibility) than gas cars.
one big beautiful bill
"First up today, the April 15th deadline closed the books on the first tax season under the one big beautiful bill and the refund numbers, well, they're genuinely strong."
They’re talking about a big tax law that changed people’s refunds. The hosts connect it to whether more people are buying cars after getting money back.
“One big beautiful bill” is a reference to a major tax law package affecting consumer finances. While not an automotive term, it’s a key macro factor the show connects to dealer sales performance and consumer behavior.
auto loan interest deduction
"The new provisions, no tax, no tips and overtime, larger standard deductions and the auto loan interest deduction, they all contributed to bigger returns for many filers."
They mention a tax rule that could let some people deduct interest paid on an auto loan. If refunds are bigger, some buyers may have more money for a car purchase.
The “auto loan interest deduction” is mentioned as part of the tax changes that could increase refunds for some filers. For dealers, stronger refunds can translate into more consumer cash available for down payments or trade equity.
subprime and near new used
"Some stores saw meaningful lists, lifts particularly in subprime and near new used. While down payments, well, they actually declined from $4,373 down to $4,212 on average in the used market..."
They’re talking about used cars sold to people with credit challenges (subprime) and cars that are still fairly new (near-new). Sales in these groups can swing a lot when interest rates and monthly payments change.
“Subprime and near new used” describes used-car segments where buyers often have weaker credit (subprime) and where vehicles are relatively new (near-new used). These segments can be especially sensitive to financing rates, down payments, and consumer cash flow.
down payments declined
"While down payments, well, they actually declined from $4,373 down to $4,212 on average in the used market as rising vehicle prices outpaced refund growth."
They say people put less money down on used cars on average. That can make the loan bigger, which matters a lot when interest rates are high.
The segment notes average down payments falling in the used market. In dealership terms, lower down payments can increase loan amounts and monthly payments, which can interact with elevated interest rates and affect approval rates.
elevated interest rates
"However, rising gas prices and elevated interest rates complicated what could have been a cleaner read on the new tax environment."
They’re pointing to higher interest rates on car loans. Higher rates usually mean higher monthly payments, which can make it harder to buy.
“Elevated interest rates” refers to higher borrowing costs for auto loans. Higher rates typically raise monthly payments, which can reduce affordability and slow sales unless dealers adjust pricing, incentives, or financing structures.
Cox Auto's EV market monitor
"used EV sales up 53.9% from February according to Cox Auto's EV market monitor."
They’re citing a specific data report that tracks EV sales. Dealers use this kind of information to understand where the market is going.
This is a data source used to quantify EV sales trends like month-over-month growth and year-over-year changes. For dealers, these kinds of monitors help forecast inventory needs and pricing strategy.
used EV prices dropping to $34,653
"42,924 used EVs were sold in March. That's up 27.7% year over year with average used EV prices dropping to $34,653 now within about $1,000 of the average ice vehicle price."
They’re saying the cost of used electric cars is getting cheaper. That matters because it makes used EVs feel more like a normal option instead of a premium one.
The hosts are describing how used electric-vehicle pricing is falling, which changes what buyers can afford and how dealers price inventory. When used EV prices approach mainstream alternatives, more shoppers consider EVs without waiting for new-car incentives.
average ice vehicle price
"used EV prices dropping to $34,653 now within about $1,000 of the average ice vehicle price."
“ICE” stands for internal combustion engine, meaning gasoline or diesel vehicles. The comparison is used to show used EV pricing is nearing the cost of typical non-EV alternatives, which can shift consumer behavior.
expiration of clean vehicle tax credits
"isn't shocking given the rebate that concluded after that. Following the expiration of clean vehicle tax credits"
These are government discounts for buying certain clean cars. When the discount ends, fewer people buy new EVs, which can ripple through the used market later.
Clean vehicle tax credits are government incentives that can lower the effective price of eligible EVs. When they expire, demand can drop because buyers lose a key cost advantage, which can also affect new-to-used pricing pipelines.
Tesla
"and Tesla continues to dominate with nearly 50% market share. The practical takeaway for dealers is on the used side..."
They’re saying Tesla is selling a big share of EVs. When one brand dominates, it can affect how the whole EV market moves, including used prices.
The hosts mention Tesla’s market share to illustrate how EV demand and supply are concentrated among specific brands. Market-share leadership can influence pricing, inventory availability, and how quickly used values stabilize.
off lease volumes building
"The practical takeaway for dealers is on the used side, off lease volumes building, prices are approaching parity with ice and buyers are increasingly open to used EVs..."
When leases end, cars come back and get sold as used cars. If more cars are coming off lease, dealers have more inventory and prices can change.
“Off-lease” refers to vehicles returning to lessors after a lease ends and then entering the used market. Higher off-lease supply can increase inventory availability and affect used pricing and dealer buying strategies.
battery condition is disclosed up front
"and buyers are increasingly open to used EVs when battery condition is disclosed up front."
Used EV buyers worry about how healthy the battery is. If the seller shows the battery condition clearly, it’s easier for buyers to feel confident and pay a fair price.
This points to how battery health reporting reduces buyer uncertainty in the used EV market. Clear disclosure (often via inspection reports or battery tests) can improve trust, pricing, and resale demand.
tariff update
"Next up today moving to a tariff update, EU auto exports to the US fell 22% in February."
Tariffs are extra taxes on imported cars or parts. If tariffs go up, it can make it harder for automakers to make money and can change prices for buyers.
Tariffs are taxes on imported goods, and an “auto tariff update” can directly affect vehicle pricing, supply chains, and automaker profitability. The segment ties tariff pressure to earnings impacts for European brands selling into the US.
casting contamination
"Stellantis filed two separate recalls covering GPHEV engines with potential fire risk from casting contamination and 2026 RAM 2500s where a module fault can disable electronic stability control without warning."
Casting contamination means something unwanted got into a metal part during manufacturing. If that part is part of the engine, it can sometimes cause serious problems—like overheating or even a fire risk—so manufacturers issue recalls.
Casting contamination refers to unwanted material or defects introduced during the metal casting process. In an engine context, such contamination can compromise component integrity and is sometimes linked to overheating or fire-risk recalls, depending on the failure mode.
GPHEV engines
"Stellantis filed two separate recalls covering GPHEV engines with potential fire risk from casting contamination and 2026 RAM 2500s where a module fault can disable electronic stability control without warning."
This refers to a plug-in hybrid type of engine. The key point here is that the recall is about a possible fire risk caused by a manufacturing problem in a cast part.
GPHEV typically refers to a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle powertrain (the exact acronym can vary by manufacturer/region). The segment says Stellantis filed recalls for these engines due to potential fire risk linked to casting contamination, which points to a manufacturing-related defect in engine components.
electronic stability control
"2026 RAM 2500s where a module fault can disable electronic stability control without warning."
Electronic stability control is a safety system that helps keep the car from sliding out of control. If it turns off unexpectedly, the car may not correct itself as well when you brake hard or hit slick roads.
Electronic Stability Control (ESC) helps prevent skids by detecting loss of traction and automatically applying braking and/or reducing engine power to help the car stay on its intended path. If a module fault disables ESC without warning, the car can become significantly harder to control, especially in emergency maneuvers or slippery conditions.
Ram 2500S
"Stellantis filed two separate recalls covering GPHEV engines with potential fire risk from casting contamination and 2026 RAM 2500s where a module fault can disable electronic stability control without warning."
This is about a 2026 Ram 2500 recall. The issue described could disable the car’s stability safety system, which helps the vehicle stay controlled in tricky situations.
The Ram 2500 is a heavy-duty pickup, and this segment mentions a 2026 recall tied to a module fault that can disable electronic stability control without warning. For owners, that’s a serious safety concern because ESC is designed to help prevent loss of control.
Kia Carnival
"Kia recalled, 141,000 Carnival minivans over loosening fuel pipe nuts"
This is a Kia Carnival recall. The problem mentioned is that fuel pipe nuts could loosen, which can create a fuel leak and a potential fire risk.
The Kia Carnival is a minivan, and the segment notes a recall of 141,000 units due to loosening fuel pipe nuts and a potential fire risk. Fuel-system fastener issues can lead to leaks, so this is a safety-critical recall.
fuel pump defect
"Recalled just over 9100 IS, RC and GS models over a fuel pump defect that can cause a stall at highway speeds."
A fuel pump defect means the car may not be getting fuel the way it should. If the engine doesn’t get enough fuel, it can stall—especially scary at highway speeds.
A fuel pump defect means the pump may not deliver fuel reliably, which can lead to engine starvation and stalling. When this happens at highway speeds, it can be particularly dangerous because the car may lose power and stability systems may behave differently.
Lexus GS
"Recalled just over 9100 IS, RC and GS models over a fuel pump defect that can cause a stall at highway speeds."
The Lexus GS is part of a recall about the fuel pump. The concern is that it can cause stalling while driving at highway speeds.
The Lexus GS is included in the segment’s Lexus recall group for a fuel pump defect. The key safety issue described is the potential for stalling at highway speeds.
Lexus RC
"Recalled just over 9100 IS, RC and GS models over a fuel pump defect that can cause a stall at highway speeds."
The Lexus RC is included in a recall tied to the fuel pump. The issue can cause the car to stall on the highway, which is why it needs attention.
The Lexus RC is mentioned as part of a group recall (along with the IS and GS) for a fuel pump defect. The described risk is stalling at highway speeds, which can be hazardous in traffic.
negative equity
"DNC says negative equity is up to $7,300. That puts pressure on future sales, too."
Negative equity means your car is worth less than what you still owe on it. When you trade it in, the “gap” usually gets added to your next loan, which can make the next deal more expensive.
Negative equity is when you owe more on your current loan than the vehicle is worth. That shortfall gets rolled into the next loan, making the next car payment harder to afford and often reducing buyers’ willingness to trade up.
Fertitta Automotive
"Let's go to Lonnie Sosa, Vice President of Fertitta Automotive. Lonnie, welcome to the show... I run Fertitta Automotive Group, which does own brands such as Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Bugatti."
Fertitta Automotive is the company the guest works for. They’re described as a dealership group that handles multiple luxury brands, which helps explain their business focus.
Fertitta Automotive Group is the dealership/auto group the guest represents, and the segment describes it as owning multiple luxury brands. This is relevant for listeners because it frames the guest’s perspective on inventory sourcing and brand strategy.
inventory availability
"...a little bit of a rebound, I think, due to some inventory availability, some programs that the factories are putting out..."
Inventory availability means whether dealers can actually get cars to sell. If there are more cars on the ground (or on the way), buyers have more choices and sales tend to pick up.
“Inventory availability” refers to how many vehicles are actually available for dealers to sell at a given time. In this segment, the dealer links improved sales momentum to better supply and factory programs, implying that when cars are easier to get, consumer demand converts into sales more readily.
Bugatti
"...which use each of the brands. Bugatti, of course, is kind of a one-off where we've pre-sold all of our allocation of the new tourbillon..."
Bugatti makes very rare, high-end cars, usually in tiny numbers. The dealer is saying that for Bugatti, they already have buyers lined up before cars even arrive, so the usual “inventory problems” matter less.
Bugatti is a French ultra-luxury automaker known for extremely limited-production hypercars. In the segment, the dealer describes how Bugatti is effectively sold out via pre-sold allocations, so inventory availability doesn’t drive the sales cycle the way it does for more mainstream brands.
allocation
"...where we've pre-sold all of our allocation of the new tourbillon, and we just continue to engage with our clients..."
Allocation is when a brand decides how many cars each dealer gets. If the cars are already allocated and reserved, the dealer doesn’t have to rely on finding inventory to make sales.
Allocation is how manufacturers distribute limited production slots to specific dealers or customers. The dealer’s point is that for ultra-exotics like Bugatti, allocations can be pre-sold, so the dealer’s sales performance is less tied to day-to-day inventory swings.
Rolls Royce
"Rolls Royce, I think, has done a spectacular job going into the end of the year with the turbulence that we had where they cut back the production of inventory..."
Rolls-Royce is a luxury car brand that sells fewer cars than regular brands. The dealer is saying Rolls-Royce adjusted production so there wasn’t too much car inventory sitting around, which helped them keep profits steady.
Rolls-Royce is a British luxury brand that typically sells in smaller volumes than mainstream automakers. Here, the dealer credits Rolls-Royce with managing production cuts during a “turbulence” period, which helped maintain profitability by preventing excess inventory.
Bentley
"Bentley, on the other hand, we got a little long on the inventory, and so that's compressed some margins..."
Bentley makes luxury cars. The dealer is saying they had more cars than they could sell quickly, and that usually squeezes profit because you may need to discount or spend more to move inventory.
Bentley is a British luxury automaker that, like other premium brands, can be sensitive to inventory levels. The dealer says they were “long on inventory” with Bentley, which compressed margins—illustrating how having too many cars on hand can force discounting or reduce profitability.
ultra-exotic vs domestics sales cadence
"So on Monday morning of each week, what is the difference in your ultra-exotic versus your domestics?... Not a lot of people ask that... ultra-luxury... Monday is no different than a Wednesday or a Saturday..."
They’re saying the sales rhythm is different depending on the type of dealership. Ultra-luxury tends to be more consistent day-to-day, while regular brands often have a big weekend rush and then a busy Monday catching up.
The dealer describes a difference in how ultra-luxury stores behave versus domestic (mainstream) dealerships across the week. Ultra-luxury is portrayed as steadier—less “peaks and valleys” after weekends—while domestics follow a more typical retail pattern where Monday is dominated by processing the weekend’s sales and trades.
Chevrolet
"Of course, Chevrolet, it's just like any other dealer. I mean, you're coming out of your biggest weekend Friday-Saturday business..."
Chevrolet is a regular mass-market brand with lots of dealer activity. The dealer is saying their sales pattern is more “weekend heavy,” so Monday involves lots of cleanup work after the big Friday–Saturday rush.
Chevrolet is a mainstream American brand with dealer operations that tend to follow a more traditional retail rhythm. The dealer contrasts Chevrolet’s weekend-driven sales and post-weekend “scrambling” (funding deals, organizing trades) with the steadier cadence they see in ultra-luxury stores.
trades
"...looking at all your trades, getting them organized, and getting them ready to go"
“Trades” are the cars customers turn in when they buy something new. After a busy weekend, dealers have to sort out those trade cars and the paperwork so everything is ready to move forward.
In dealership context, “trades” are customer trade-in vehicles taken in on a new purchase. The dealer mentions organizing trades after the weekend, highlighting how trade inventory and paperwork can drive Monday workload and affects deal throughput.
diversifying the portfolio
"...I think diversifying the portfolio is the big play, right? I mean, you know, having the luxury, domestic, and import kind of having that tripod of a business platform..."
Diversifying the portfolio means you don’t bet everything on one type of car or one brand. If one group gets hit by higher costs or lower demand, other groups can help keep the business stable.
Diversifying the portfolio means not relying on one segment of the market (like only imports or only one brand group). In dealership operations, balancing luxury, domestic, and import brands can help smooth revenue when shocks hit one category.
tripod of a business platform
"...having the luxury, domestic, and import kind of having that tripod of a business platform allows for, you know, for flexibility."
The “tripod” idea means the dealership doesn’t rely on just one kind of car. By selling a mix of luxury, domestic, and import vehicles, they’re less likely to get crushed if one category slows down.
The “tripod” framing describes running a dealership business across three segments—luxury, domestic, and import. It’s a risk-management strategy: if one segment underperforms, the others can help offset the loss.
tariffs
"...Whenever you see issues come up, like, you know, the tariffs, right? Or back in the day, you remember when the tsunami hit Japan and import sales obviously went down..."
Tariffs are extra taxes on cars or parts coming from other countries. If imported cars get more expensive, dealers often sell fewer imports and have to lean more on the brands they already stock.
Tariffs are taxes the government puts on imported goods. In auto retail, tariffs can raise the cost of imported vehicles, which can reduce import sales and shift demand toward domestic inventory.
import sales
"...you remember when the tsunami hit Japan and import sales obviously went down, and you had to rely on your luxury and domestic stores to pick you up."
Import sales just means cars made overseas that are sold locally. If those cars become harder to get or cost more, dealers may sell more of the cars they can source more easily.
Import sales refers to vehicles sold from brands manufactured outside the country. When import sales drop due to events like supply disruptions or trade barriers, dealers often rebalance their inventory mix across domestic and luxury brands.
right people in the right seats
"...one of your biggest recent moves was getting right people into the right seats. What's the actual play there? What did you change about how you hire..."
It means putting the right employees into the jobs they’re best suited for. In a dealership, that can improve how well sales and service teams perform day to day.
“Right people in the right seats” is an organizational strategy: matching employees to roles where their strengths and behaviors fit the job. In dealerships, this can affect sales performance, service throughput, and customer experience.
metrics
"...the metrics, hey, if the average is 10 cars per salesperson, I want to sell 200 cars, I need 20 people..."
Metrics are the numbers a dealership uses to judge performance. The point here is that hiring shouldn’t be based only on hitting a sales-number target—you also want the right attitude and team fit.
In dealership context, “metrics” are performance targets used to manage sales and staffing. The transcript contrasts purely number-driven hiring (e.g., cars per salesperson) with a more holistic approach that also considers personality, culture, and fit.
culture fit
"What I do for the second interview is I try to have another department manager who's objective... determine if this employee possibly is a fit for our culture. And if they sniff something that doesn't feel right, they can cut it off right there..."
“Culture fit” means the dealership is checking whether the person will work well with the team and follow the way the business is run. They’re using a second interviewer to make sure the decision isn’t biased and to flag concerns early.
The hosts are describing a “culture fit” interview process—using a second, objective manager to evaluate whether a candidate aligns with how the dealership operates. The idea is to prevent bad hires by letting the evaluator stop the process if something feels wrong.
veto rights
"Right, veto. Yeah, no veto rights, right. And so that's quite... from an empowerment standpoint, that's incredible too..."
They’re talking about giving one person the power to stop a hiring decision if they see a red flag. The goal is to avoid pushing forward with someone who might not work out.
“Veto” in this context refers to giving an interviewer authority to stop a hiring decision immediately. It’s a governance mechanism meant to keep the process objective and protect the team from decisions that don’t meet standards.
break down all the silos
"We try to break down all the silos in the environment. We don't want to have just salespeople in one group and service technicians in another group and service and BDC... we eat in the same break rooms..."
A “silo” is when departments act like separate worlds. They’re saying the dealership tries to get sales, service, and other teams to work together instead of operating independently.
“Breaking down silos” means reducing barriers between departments (sales, service, BDC) so information and accountability flow more smoothly. The hosts describe commingling teams in shared spaces to encourage collaboration across the dealership.
BCG
"So swinging from from employment over to the market. So BCG and DuPont recently put out a study..."
BCG is a well-known consulting company that publishes business research. In this segment, they’re being used as the source for a prediction about used luxury/exotic car demand.
BCG refers to Boston Consulting Group, a major strategy consulting firm. Here it’s cited as a source for market research about the growth of the secondary luxury/exotic used-car market.
secondary luxury exotic market
"BCG and DuPont recently put out a study saying that the secondary luxury exotic market, they predict will grow one and a half times faster than new through 2035..."
They’re talking about the used market for expensive “luxury” and “exotic” cars. The point is that demand for these used cars is expected to grow faster than demand for new ones, so dealers need to plan their buying and pricing accordingly.
This refers to the used-car market segment for luxury and exotic brands (not new sales). The hosts discuss a forecast that this segment will grow faster than new vehicles, which directly impacts how dealers should source inventory and set pricing strategies.
DuPont
"So BCG and DuPont recently put out a study saying that the secondary luxury exotic market..."
DuPont is a big company that’s known for industrial materials. In this podcast, it’s mentioned mainly because the hosts say it helped publish a study about used luxury car market growth.
DuPont is referenced as a co-author of the study predicting growth in the secondary luxury/exotic used-car market. While DuPont is better known for materials and chemicals, the key point here is that the hosts are citing it as research backing for market trends.
used car operations
"I mean, that's where most of our growth is. When you look at all of our metrics, we're going to constantly see year over year growth and use car operations."
This is the part of a dealership that handles used cars—finding them, pricing them, and selling them. They’re saying used-car growth is a big driver, but it only works if you buy the right cars in the right quantities.
“Used car operations” is the dealership function focused on buying, pricing, and selling pre-owned vehicles. The hosts connect it to growth metrics and emphasize that success depends on disciplined inventory buying and turnover.
buying the right inventory
"you need to have the disciplines of buying the right inventory... And having the volume of inventory... do I have the right 100 cars in inventory, the right mix..."
They mean you can’t just buy any used cars and hope they sell. You need to choose the right types of cars and quantities based on what you know you can sell.
The hosts stress inventory discipline: buying vehicles that match what customers actually want and what the dealer has a track record selling. It’s not just about having units—it’s about having the right mix and enough volume to meet demand.
right mix
"if I say I want to have 100 cars in inventory, do I have the right 100 cars in inventory, the right mix, right?"
“Right mix” means the dealership should stock a balanced set of cars, not just a certain number. For example, they want the right kinds of cars at the right price levels so they can sell them quickly.
“Right mix” refers to the assortment of vehicles within inventory—such as brands, models, trims, and price points—that best matches sales history and market demand. The dealer uses this to decide whether a target inventory count (e.g., 100 cars) is actually the right composition.
selling in under 30 days
"you need to buy or source vehicles that you have a history of selling, right? And selling in under 30 days..."
They’re talking about how fast the dealership can sell a car after buying it. Selling quickly (like within about a month) helps the dealer avoid extra costs and keeps inventory from sitting too long.
This is a sales-velocity metric: how quickly inventory turns into sold units. The hosts imply that faster selling reduces carrying costs and risk, and it’s part of their criteria for sourcing vehicles.
max PBR
"selling in under 30 days or selling at, you know, max PBR, but not just putting units out there just to put iron on the ground..."
“PBR” sounds like a dealership pricing rule/benchmark that helps them decide whether a used car deal makes money. They’re saying they don’t just list cars—they only move units when the pricing supports the business.
“PBR” is used here as a pricing/retail profitability or pricing benchmark metric tied to how the dealer values used units. The hosts contrast selling at max PBR versus simply putting cars on the ground without regard to profitability.
putting units out there just to put iron on the ground
"...but not just putting units out there just to put iron on the ground, right?"
They’re saying don’t just buy cars and park them on the lot to look busy. The goal is to buy cars you can sell profitably, not just to have more cars sitting around.
This phrase criticizes “inventory for inventory’s sake”—stocking vehicles without a clear sales plan or profitability target. The hosts are emphasizing disciplined sourcing and pricing rather than simply increasing visible inventory count.
Toyota A90
"successes, maintaining the disciplines. I'd love to know what is one discipline you die on the hill for? And interestingly enough, you mentioned 30 days, a 90 day turn at ultra exotic can't be part of that discipline, is it? No, no, but I'll tell you one, one that I would die on the sword for"
The Toyota Supra is a sports car made for performance and driving enjoyment. In the podcast, it’s mentioned while talking about how people handle sales or delivery timelines. That’s likely because it’s a popular car that people often want quickly and in good condition.
The Toyota Supra is a performance sports car known for its driver-focused design and enthusiast appeal. The podcast references it in the context of “disciplines” and timing/turnaround expectations, which suggests it came up as an example of a desirable, higher-demand vehicle. It’s discussed because sports cars like this often have specific buyer expectations around condition, delivery, and ownership experience.
never stop buying cars
"But I'll tell you one, one that I would die on the sword for is never stop buying cars. We get scared, you know, when, when margins get compressed... But those cars are still depreciating."
They’re saying you can’t just stop buying used cars and hope things stay fine. Older cars keep losing value, so if you don’t bring in newer inventory, your profit gets squeezed and you can fall behind when the market changes.
The speaker argues that a used-car manager at an ultra-luxury dealership should keep acquiring fresh inventory instead of pausing purchases. The idea is that aging inventory keeps depreciating, which squeezes margins, so you need newer cars coming in to stay profitable as market conditions shift.
margin for error
"...like margin for error, like a percent mistake is massive, right? And you have hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dollars in decisions made daily..."
It means there’s not much room to mess up financially. If you price or manage expensive cars slightly wrong, the impact shows up quickly in the dealership’s profits.
“Margin for error” refers to how small the financial mistakes can be before they noticeably hurt profitability. In luxury/exotic used-car operations, small pricing or reconditioning errors can impact the bottom line faster because the vehicles are higher value and decisions are made frequently.
extra digit makes a big difference
"Yeah, that extra digit makes a big difference, right? And so yes, the mistakes can have the mistakes show up on the bottom line a lot quicker than most other brands."
They’re saying that with expensive cars, small changes matter a lot. One small number off in pricing or costs can turn into a big money difference.
The “extra digit” point is about how tiny percentage differences scale up on high-priced inventory. For expensive used cars, even a small error in pricing, costs, or recon expenses can translate into large dollar swings in profit.
AutoNation
"But, you know, when I came, I was with AutoNation for 17 years before I came over and started running these luxury stores."
AutoNation is a large U.S. automotive retailer, and the speaker references it as their prior employer before moving into luxury store operations. Mentioning AutoNation helps frame the speaker’s dealership experience and how they transferred processes from a mainstream environment to luxury brands.
Chevy
"...I brought over a sales manager... from my Chevy store into my, my post oak motor store with the luxury brands."
“Chevy” here means Chevrolet, a more mainstream brand. They’re comparing how sales work in a regular domestic dealership versus a luxury dealership.
“Chevy” refers to Chevrolet, a mainstream domestic brand. The speaker contrasts the tactics and mindset from a Chevrolet (domestic) store—“scrapping for every deal”—with the approach needed in luxury/exotic used-car operations.
post oak motor store
"...I brought over a sales manager... from my Chevy store into my, my post oak motor store with the luxury brands."
This sounds like the name of the dealership location the speaker runs. They’re saying they brought a manager over to help the luxury store perform better.
“Post Oak Motor Store” appears to be a dealership location/brand name tied to luxury operations. It’s mentioned as the destination where the speaker applied the sales leadership approach from their Chevrolet store.
Ferrari Lake Forest
"I saw that in our own Ferrari store. So Aaron Ziegler purchased Ferrari Lake Forest this past year. And at first you went in there..."
This isn’t a car model—it’s a Ferrari dealership in Lake Forest. They’re talking about how the dealership’s vibe and sales process change when you sell very expensive, rare cars.
“Ferrari Lake Forest” refers to a Ferrari dealership location, not a specific Ferrari model. In this segment, it’s used as an example of how an ultra-exotic store manages customer experience and inventory turnover.
Mercedes store
"And then you actually bring some people in from our Mercedes store and some of the other stores with excitement with activity."
They mention Mercedes as the “normal luxury” comparison to Ferrari’s “ultra-exotic” world. The idea is that different types of luxury customers respond differently to how the dealership behaves.
Mercedes-Benz is referenced as a contrast to the Ferrari store—i.e., a more mainstream luxury store versus an ultra-exotic environment. The point is that different brands attract different customer expectations and require different sales-floor energy.
60 day turn
"Well, we're actually a 60 day turn at the domestic store. And, you know, I maintain that same 60 day turn on non ultra exotic cars at the luxury store."
A “turn” is how fast a dealership sells a car and gets another one in its place. “60 day turn” means they’re trying to move cars about every two months.
In dealership finance/inventory terms, a “turn” refers to how quickly inventory is sold and replaced. A “60 day turn” implies the dealer aims to cycle non-ultra-exotic inventory roughly every two months, which affects cash flow, pricing strategy, and how often the dealer revalues cars.
90 day turn
"in your normal store, 90 day turn, do you have a turn policy at your ultra luxury and exotic stores? Well, we're actually a 60 day turn..."
“90 day turn” is another way of saying how quickly a dealership tries to sell and replace cars—about three months. They’re saying ultra-exotic cars don’t fit that pace as easily.
The speaker contrasts different inventory turnover targets, mentioning a “90 day turn” as a benchmark for typical store operations. They then explain how ultra-exotic inventory is managed differently (e.g., 120 day turn) due to cost and difficulty of replacement.
120 day turn
"And then when it comes to the ultra exotic, it's more of a 120 day turn. I mean, these cars are too hard, right?"
For the most expensive cars, dealerships usually sell them slower because there are fewer buyers. “120 day turn” means they expect to hold and sell those cars over about four months.
“120 day turn” is the slower inventory cycle used for ultra-exotic cars because they’re harder to sell and often require more time to find the right buyer. The segment ties this to higher carrying costs and the practical difficulty of replacing these vehicles frequently.
re-ACVing the cars
"But what you do at 90 days is you start re-ACVing the cars and do write downs, right?"
“Re-ACVing” means updating the car’s value in the dealership’s records. If the market shifts, they adjust the price/value so the inventory stays “priced correctly” even before it sells.
“Re-ACVing” refers to re-evaluating a car’s ACV (Actual Cash Value) on the dealer’s books—essentially updating the valuation as market conditions change. The segment says this is part of how dealers manage ultra-exotic inventory at shorter holding periods without selling immediately.
write downs
"But what you do at 90 days is you start re-ACVing the cars and do write downs, right?"
A “write down” is when the dealership lowers the recorded value of a car because it likely won’t sell for the earlier price. It’s an accounting way to stay realistic about what the car is worth.
“Write downs” are accounting reductions to the recorded value of inventory when it’s not expected to sell at the prior price. In this context, it’s used to keep ultra-exotic cars on the books at more realistic values as time passes.
holding cost
"Today's difference is holding cost though. So I do want to talk AI in ultra luxury."
Holding cost is what it costs the dealership to keep a car sitting around instead of selling it. The longer it sits, the more money it quietly burns through things like financing and storage.
Holding cost is the expense of keeping inventory or a vehicle “on the lot” while it hasn’t been sold yet. In dealerships, it often includes financing interest, insurance, storage, and opportunity cost, and it becomes more important when sales slow or turn times lengthen.
Rolls Spectre black badge
"rolls just drop the Spectre black badge. It's a 659 horsepower fully electric, half a million bucks, 490,000."
This is a Rolls-Royce that runs on electricity instead of gas. The “Black Badge” name is basically a special, more aggressive version, and the big question is whether luxury buyers are ready to treat an EV like a normal Rolls-Royce.
The Rolls-Royce Spectre is the brand’s fully electric flagship coupe, and the “Black Badge” treatment is a performance/attitude trim that typically emphasizes a sportier look and calibration. In the segment, the host frames it as an ultra-luxury EV priced around the half-million-dollar range, so the key point is how buyers perceive an EV when it’s still marketed like a Rolls-Royce.
ultra luxury EV vs "second or third car" demand
"Is your clientele ready for a luxury EV or is it still a second or third car and that? Well, I mean, they're all second, third cars in the garage."
They’re saying many luxury EVs are bought as extra cars, not the main car people rely on every day. So the question becomes whether buyers want the EV part, or just want the luxury brand experience.
The segment contrasts EV adoption with how ultra-luxury buyers typically shop—often as a “second or third car” rather than a primary transportation tool. That changes the buying criteria: buyers may care more about brand experience, comfort, and status than about EV practicality.
AI agents / generative AI / machine learning (in dealerships)
"you have to be very, very careful about what you consider AI, which is basically technically everything that we've been dealing with up until now is some sort of version of AI, whether it's machine learning or generative or AI agents."
The host distinguishes different kinds of AI—machine learning, generative AI, and AI agents—and notes that in automotive retail, “AI” can mean many different tools. They also emphasize that voice/text AI tools may not fit luxury brand expectations, affecting how dealers communicate with high-end customers.
reengage with dormant customers
"...we use AI to go out there and mine our databases to reengage with dormant customers. And, you know, it may reach out to 200 customers and we may get 20... engagements and appointments..."
They mean contacting customers who haven’t bought or visited in a while. The idea is to use data and AI to reach out again and turn that old interest into new appointments.
“Reengage with dormant customers” refers to marketing outreach to people who haven’t interacted with the dealership in a while. The speaker ties it to using AI to mine databases and generate follow-up contacts, aiming to convert lapsed interest into appointments.
lift
"...it may reach out to 200 customers and we may get 20... engagements and appointments out of it. Well, that's a lift that we didn't have before."
In this context, “lift” means incremental improvement from a marketing tool—how much additional engagement and appointments it produces compared to what the dealership had before. It’s essentially a practical ROI framing for outreach campaigns.
Podium AI
"I don't want to say delivering results yet. We're engaging with, you know, we use Podium AI for our Google reviews, which I think that does really, really well."
They’re using Podium AI to help with Google reviews. The goal is to get more reviews and respond faster so more people trust the dealership.
Podium AI is being used here for managing Google reviews. In practice, tools like this help dealerships collect, monitor, and respond to review content to improve reputation and conversion.
Pam AI
"And then we use Pam AI for our voice. But again, more on the domestic side, we're bringing it in to luxury, but very cautiously..."
They mention Pam AI as a tool related to voice. That usually means it helps with phone calls or voice messages so the business can respond more effectively.
Pam AI is referenced as a voice-related AI tool used by the dealership. The context suggests it’s used to handle or analyze voice interactions, likely for customer engagement or support workflows.
re-imagine
"This particular AI has nothing to do with voice or data. This is re-imaging photos... So it typically takes five to seven days. We're able to use this solution to take pictures of cars in any background... and regenerate these photos and make them front line ready day one."
They’re using an AI photo tool called “re-imagine.” It helps turn messy or hard-to-shoot car photos into clean, listing-ready images faster.
“Re-imagine” is described as an AI solution for re-generating car photos. The workflow is meant to speed up listing readiness by producing usable images in different real-world conditions (e.g., rain, harsh sun) and backgrounds.
AI re-imaging photos for car listings
"This particular AI has nothing to do with voice or data. This is re-imaging photos... regenerate these photos and make them front line ready day one."
They’re talking about using AI to fix and improve car photos for online listings. The benefit is faster posting and more consistent-looking pictures, even if the original photos were taken in imperfect conditions.
The segment describes using AI image regeneration to create consistent, “front line ready” car photos for listings. For luxury/exotic dealers, this matters because buyers expect accurate visuals and quick turnaround, and real-world shooting conditions can otherwise slow down publishing.
trade lanes
"Yeah, you can take pictures of these cars on the trade lanes and have them up within the hour, taking them in on trade."
Trade lanes are where cars get handled when they’re coming in for trade. They’re saying you can take photos there and get them online much faster.
“Trade lanes” refers to the internal logistics area where vehicles are processed during acquisition/trade-in. The speaker uses it to describe capturing photos quickly during vehicle intake so listings can go live faster.
AI-generated photos
"AI-generated photos, do they still work or do you stick to the domestics on those? ... So what you're seeing there, that does not remove the flaws, the scratches, dents, and dings."
They’re talking about using AI to make car listings look cleaner. The important rule they’re emphasizing is: don’t use AI to hide real damage—only use it to improve the photo background while keeping the car’s condition honest.
The hosts discuss using AI to regenerate a vehicle photo while keeping the underlying car image accurate. The key point is that AI can change backgrounds and remove signage, but it should not erase real flaws like scratches, dents, and dings that affect buyer trust.
remove the signage and the stickers
"This is the actual image of the vehicle, just regenerated with the background, again, using AI to remove the signage and the stickers. And if it had inspection stickers on it, things like that."
They’re saying the AI can take out things like dealership signs or price stickers in the picture. But it shouldn’t be used to cover up damage or mislead buyers about what the car looks like in real life.
They describe AI editing that removes dealer signage and stickers from the photo. This is meant to make the listing look more professional while still showing the actual vehicle condition, including any damage.
speed and market is key
"Again, speed and market is key, right? So in our world, we lose what domestic $50 a day is what it costs per car."
The segment ties photo turnaround and listing readiness to pricing and inventory velocity—how quickly cars need to be marketed to match demand. In dealer operations, faster, accurate presentation can help reduce time-on-market and keep pricing aligned with the current market.
hospitality
"So you are in the hospitality world because of the exotics... you cannot make this a transaction, right? It's an experience from the very beginning."
They’re comparing selling cars to running a great hotel or restaurant. Instead of just trying to close a deal, you focus on making the whole experience feel premium and helpful from start to finish.
They discuss applying hospitality principles to car selling—treating the process as an experience rather than a simple transaction. The idea is that luxury/exotics buyers often expect a service journey (knowledge, environment, brand story) that matches the product’s value.
Mastros
"Give us an example. Mastros, Del Frisco's, Catch, trying to think of the Palm, Golden Nugget Casinos."
They mention Mastros as an example of the hospitality brands they own. It’s used to show they understand how to deliver a high-end experience.
Mastros is referenced as an example of the parent company’s hospitality/restaurant ownership. It supports the broader point that luxury service standards can translate into how dealers should present and communicate with buyers.
Del Frisco's
"Mastros, Del Frisco's, Catch, trying to think of the Palm, Golden Nugget Casinos."
They bring up Del Frisco's as another example of their hospitality background. The point is that great service and a strong story can carry over to selling cars.
Del Frisco's is included in the list of hospitality businesses owned by the speaker’s parent company. The mention reinforces the episode’s theme: customer experience and brand storytelling matter in automotive sales too.
Golden Nugget Casinos
"Mastros, Del Frisco's, Catch, trying to think of the Palm, Golden Nugget Casinos."
They name-drop a casino brand to explain the kind of customer experience their company is used to delivering. The takeaway is about service quality, not cars specifically.
The speaker cites Golden Nugget Casinos as part of their parent company’s hospitality footprint. Mentioning specific hospitality brands helps illustrate how service expectations and customer experience are managed across industries.
Catch
"Mastros, Del Frisco's, Catch, trying to think of the Palm, Golden Nugget Casinos."
They name Catch as one of the hospitality brands they’re involved with. It’s part of explaining where their “luxury experience” mindset comes from.
Catch is mentioned as part of the hospitality brand portfolio owned by the speaker’s parent company. It’s used to illustrate how they think about premium environments and customer expectations.
The Palm
"Okay. The Palm is great. That's great food, right? That a coast to coast franchise."
They call out The Palm because it’s a well-known restaurant franchise. The lesson is that customers expect a consistent, high-quality experience—similar to what luxury car buyers want.
The Palm is singled out as a coast-to-coast franchise example. This supports the hospitality analogy: consistent brand experience across locations can inform how dealers should deliver a reliable luxury feel.
after sales
"The transactional part of it or or transacting is actually the easy part. It's the ownership experience that really kicks in with the hospitality. Once that that client owns that car..."
After sales is everything a dealership does after you buy the car. That includes service visits, repairs, and parts, and it’s a big part of keeping customers coming back.
“After sales” refers to what happens after the customer buys the vehicle—service, maintenance, parts, and support. In dealership terms, it’s often where long-term customer loyalty and revenue come from, not just the initial transaction.
fixed ops Friday
"...because after all, maybe we have you back for a fixed ops Friday, like retention in the service department, retention of the organization."
“Fixed ops” means the dealership’s service side—repairs, maintenance, and parts. A “Fixed Ops Friday” is likely a discussion about keeping customers coming back for service.
“Fixed Ops” is shorthand for fixed operations in a dealership—primarily the service department, parts counter, and body shop. A “Fixed Ops Friday” segment usually focuses on service retention, customer experience, and profitability beyond selling cars.
retention in the service department
"...maybe we have you back for a fixed ops Friday, like retention in the service department, retention of the organization."
Retention means getting customers to keep using the dealership for service. If you maintain the car there over the years, the dealership earns repeat business.
“Retention” here means keeping customers engaged with the dealership over time—especially through routine maintenance and repairs. Service retention is a key strategy because it stabilizes revenue and builds repeat business as vehicles age.
advertised price
"It really set some ground rules for the entire auto industry as it relates to advertised price."
Advertised price is the number you see in ads for the car. The point here is that dealers may need to present that price in a way that’s accurate and not misleading.
“Advertised price” is the price dealers promote in ads, online listings, and signage. The discussion suggests the FTC’s stance sets ground rules for how that advertised number must be presented so it reflects what consumers can realistically expect to pay.
race to the bottom on price
"My prediction Lonnie is is people are going to start to see the value of creating an experience, not a commodity and this race to the bottom on price, hopefully subsides as everybody plays on a level playing field."
This means everyone keeps cutting prices to try to win the sale. The speaker thinks that’s not sustainable and that dealers should compete by offering a better overall experience.
A “race to the bottom on price” describes competitive pressure where dealerships keep lowering prices to win customers, often at the expense of margins and customer experience. The speaker argues for competing on experience instead of treating pricing like a commodity.
experience, not a commodity
"My prediction Lonnie is is people are going to start to see the value of creating an experience, not a commodity and this race to the bottom on price..."
A “commodity” is something where the only real difference is price. The speaker is saying dealers should stand out by making the buying and owning experience better, not just cheaper.
“Experience, not a commodity” means differentiating the dealership through service, communication, and customer care rather than competing only on price. In automotive retail, this can include transparent processes, better after-sales support, and a smoother ownership journey.
recon cost
"...everybody must stop on snow at what your average recon cost and time on the exotics like a lot of really good questions and comments on exotic."
“Recon” means getting a used car ready to sell—fixing issues and cleaning it up. Recon cost is what that preparation work costs the dealership.
“Recon” is short for reconditioning—what a dealer does to prepare a used car for sale (repairs, detailing, inspections, and sometimes cosmetic fixes). Recon cost and time are especially important for higher-end vehicles because parts and labor can be more expensive.
exotics
"...given us a lot of comments on different vehicles. And everybody must stop on snow at what your average recon cost and time on the exotics like a lot of really good questions and comments on exotic."
“Exotics” are the expensive, high-performance luxury cars. They usually cost more to inspect, repair, and get ready for sale than regular cars.
“Exotics” refers to high-end, performance-oriented luxury cars—often brands and models that are more expensive to buy and especially more expensive to maintain. The segment suggests listeners asked about recon costs and turnaround time for these vehicles.
Hague Partners
"All right, let's talk Hague Partners. Today's episode is brought to you by Hague Partners... Hague Partners put on an incredible event at NADA this year where they talk about the buy sell marketplace valuations."
Hague Partners is a company that helps dealership owners with big-picture business decisions—especially when it comes to buying or selling a dealership. They also run events where people talk about what dealerships are worth.
Hague Partners is a firm that supports family-owned dealerships, particularly around buy/sell and maximizing dealership value. In this segment, they’re positioned as a sponsor and as an organization that hosts industry events tied to valuations in the dealer buy-sell marketplace.
Informative
"All right, let's go straight to Michael Burd, Chief Revenue Officer at Informative... We have a solution for auto dealers that sits over the sales process... It puts guardrails around the sales process."
Informative is a tool for car dealerships that helps manage and control parts of the sales process. It’s meant to work alongside the dealership’s existing computer systems instead of replacing them.
Informative is described as a software solution for auto dealers that sits over the sales process. The key idea is that it provides “guardrails” from the first customer interaction through deal completion, and it integrates with the systems dealers already use.
CRO
"All right, let's go straight to Michael Burd, Chief Revenue Officer at Informative. Michael, welcome to the show."
CRO means Chief Revenue Officer. It’s a top job focused on helping the business make more money, often by improving sales and customer conversion.
CRO stands for Chief Revenue Officer, an executive role focused on driving revenue growth. In this context, it explains why Michael Burd is leading the conversation about sales-process tools and dealer performance.
pre-desking tool
"...we've got a new exciting pre-desking tool called Smart Pencil. So that's who we are."
A pre-desking tool is software used before a deal reaches the “desk” stage, where final pricing, paperwork, and approvals typically happen. The segment frames Smart Pencil as a pre-desking tool that supports the sales workflow earlier, helping standardize and control how deals are presented.
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