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Dennis, g'day.

Dennis, how you doing?

Good, Trevor.

How are you?

Really, really good.

What can I do for you?

I'm wondering, is there a device where you can stream a number of services together without having to buy each one individually?

No.

You mean like your Netflix, your Disney, your Amazon, your KO, your Stan?

Not having all the apps, just having kind of one approach?

Yes.

Bottom line?

So the best thing that exists out there are the, how are you doing it now?

How are you accessing these services?

Just on the Wi-Fi, I think, on the...

Yeah, but like on your TV, the apps are on the TV or how do you do it?

On the TV.

So on the TV.

And how old's your TV?

One would be two years old, one would be three years old.

So it's weird, the TVs are never the best for this, but things like a fetch box, even Foxtel's Hubble,

as much as it's close to its demise, it's still very good.

And the Google Chromecast or Chromecast with Google TV,

they are the same in that you still got to have every app and you've still got to sign up to every app.

You've still got to have an account with every app.

But one of the things those boxes do, and I use it on fetch a lot,

is they have what's called Universal Search.

And so that allows you to just go, you know, you can often speak to them,

but you can just type on the screen, you want to watch a certain show and it'll just find it for you.

And then you watch it.

But there's nothing, there's no one app with one interface that kind of learns from all the streamers.

And Google, for example, great system, great operating system.

It allows you to see, you know, what you catch up where you left off,

you know, see programs that are recommended.

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All the stand recommendations are here.

What I want and what I think you want is one interface that says, hey, here's a good show.

And based on everything you've watched and click here and you just get it.

It just doesn't exist, mate, unfortunately, because that's like getting, you know, back in the day.

That'd be like saying, listen, rather than going to multiple car dealers,

can I just get a Commodore from a Ford dealer?

That's right.

You see all these great shows and then it says, oh, it's decent and you haven't got it.

So you're sort of getting on things and dropping them all the time.

And that's the thing.

Just remember, you are not on contract.

You can leave at any time.

And the great thing is a lot of people are fearful because you know how when you log on the Netflix or Disney, it knows you.

It goes, you want to watch this because it knows you.

If you disconnect as in unsubscribe from Disney or Netflix and come back four months later,

let alone a year later, it'll still remember who you are.

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So even though you've essentially deleted your account, you never deleted your account.

They still keep your details.

They still will want you back.

And when you come back, it'll just instantly all be there for you.

So you kind of don't have to worry.

Excellent.

All right.

Thank you very much, sir.

My pleasure, mate.

Thanks for getting in touch.

My pleasure.

No worries.

Thanks, sir.

No worries.

I mean, you know, it's, it's the absolute dream.

And Optus started it with Substack.

Hubble did it with their stack and save.

The idea of having one, at least one bill or one place to manage your streaming services was fantastic.

But the problem is if someone, people will always want to make money.

So what we need is, I think, and you need a bazillionaire to make it because you need someone who doesn't want to make money out of it.

But what we need is an app that I can open up and go, this month I want Netflix and Stan and I don't need any Disney and Amazon video.

And it just, you just untick it.

And then in the background, it goes and gets rid of them for you.

And the problem is for those aggregation, it's called aggregation for those aggregation services to work.

Companies normally need to do a deal.

So that's how stack and save work with Hubble.

Foxell Hubble would do a deal with Netflix or with Disney or whoever.

And if they signed the user up, they would click the ticket every month.

So they, if it's $20 a month, they might take $2 a month and earn that.

You've got to be willing to not be earning that money and just be doing it in the background.

And remember, disconnecting from these services is not easy.

It's not just one button you press.

You've got to, you've got to go through several pages.

And if they change, if you built a service or an app that did that,

all they got to do is change one thing on the website and that app fails.

So unfortunately, they make it hard for us to get off.

They make it hard for a third party to disconnect your account.

They want you, they want you ongoing subscription is just such a beast these days.

It is everywhere and somewhat frustrating.

Let's be honest.

I mean, I'm lucky.

I don't, I'm not financially stressed about subscriptions,

but I know that if I sat down and worked out what I'm paying, it would freak me out.

And I can imagine trying to juggle them.

It's not easy.

Anyway, let me know how you do it.

If you manage your subscriptions a certain way, I'd love to hear from you

because it could be great advice for everyone.

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Hey, how are you, mate?

Yeah, it's really good.

What can I do for you?

Just on Wi-Fi.

Um, I had an office.

Um, you got a modem that came with up this plus the satellites.

And they were a set of satellites.

Yeah.

Mash set.

Okay.

Um, they were absolutely atrocious.

So basically I jumped into Wi-Fi seven.

So I've bought a Belkin deco B 11,000 system.

Hang on.

What, what have you bought?

So it's a TP link.

A deco.

Oh, deco.

Yeah.

And it's a BE 11,000.

So it's Wi-Fi seven.

And what have you, how have you gone with that?

That's there.

They're like little cylinders, aren't they?

They're the.

Yeah.

That's the design of theirs.

Yeah.

Tall cylinders.

So about six of them.

Six.

How big's your house?

That's pretty big.

It's very long.

So it's, it's probably 26 meters from from the backside.

Wow.

That's not that big, mate.

I mean, it's big.

Yeah.

Don't give me wrong.

Yeah.

But it's a lot of corridors.

I just don't know how you need.

Is it all brick internal brick?

Yeah.

It's all internal.

Okay.

All that might add up to some need for the, for the six.

But anyway, it sounds excessive.

How much of a pain so far for that unit?

I think they were on special for 7 hundred.

So I think about both for 1400.

Okay.

But you hang on.

So you bought two sets.

Two sets.

So you know, you know, you've only got really got.

Five.

Cause one of them's a router.

Okay.

Maybe that's what it is.

Well, yeah.

So you obviously got a question or a problem with them.

Yeah.

So I just won.

What speeds do you reckon you should be getting on Wi-Fi?

Like I've got a Galaxy Fold.

So that's obviously Wi-Fi seven.

And that gets pretty much close to the thousand.

So I've got a thousand down, 100 up.

So yeah, that gets pretty, pretty good.

But then, um, the Wi-Fi six devices don't seem to be getting

anywhere close to that.

Like, you know, the iPhones, 14, 14, they're, um, probably

lucky to get 200, 300.

So I was just wondering what sort of speeds you expect to get

from, from Wi-Fi.

So the problem with speed expectation is as much about what

else is on the network as it is just generally the device.

As you pointed out, the good thing is you've established

some, some really important things.

You know what speeds coming into the house, critical.

Um, you've found the best device you've got, which is your

Wi-Fi seven Samsung device.

And you've established that you're able to get that on Wi-Fi.

Now, have you been able to establish first with that Samsung

that you can get that thousand, like all the way down the house.

So you're getting that from every satellite?

No.

So that's right down the back.

It drops right down to about 150 down the back.

That's, so that was the main.

Down the back, still next to one of the satellites?

Yes.

Yeah.

Oh, that's horrible.

I mean, I think a thousand's a lot.

And I think, you know, expectation of getting that everywhere

is, is difficult.

Um, but, you know, we're, and do you know now that, now that I've

told you about the router situation, do you know where,

where that router might be?

Cause maybe that's,

Yeah, I don't know.

That's, I'll have to check that because they don't actually

show us routers in the app.

It just shows you as, you know,

In the app, does it show you one router and five satellites?

Or does it show you six units connected?

No, it shows you as one router and then five satellites.

Oh, okay.

Well, maybe, maybe it does interact.

That's awesome.

I didn't, didn't know it would.

That's news to me.

I've never tested the, the deco range, but that's,

that's a good outcome for a start.

Um, so it shows all five satellites as active.

Yeah.

And it shows signal as excellent and I've done the optimized

network so that to make sure there's no,

But you can't see signal or status per satellite.

Uh, yes, you can in the app.

You can.

Yeah.

And it also has signal excellent.

And then there's in the app,

there's a optimized network buttons where it checks all the

wifi channels and make sure there's no interference.

Right.

And it did change a couple of channels,

but hasn't made any difference.

So, I mean, to be honest, I'd be pretty,

how long ago did you buy it?

Uh, two weeks ago.

I mean, I'd be disappointed with what you're getting.

If, if the app is giving you all the right feedback in

terms of everything's done right in tick boxes, et cetera.

And at the fifth satellite,

you're getting a vast,

if you're getting 900 at the router and the NBN connection on

your Samsung phone and getting made,

even if six or 700 down the other end, I'd be like,

mate, that's a good result.

But if you're getting 100,

I think that is a vastly disappointing result and one

that I would be pretty much instantly logging on for tech

support at TP-Link.

The things that I would do before reaching out to them are,

um, you know, just basically, you know,

cleaning the network at your end.

So here's what you do.

Turn everything else off.

It went, if they've got family, send them all off to,

to have lunch, um, turn everything else off.

So every other wifi connected device, power it off, right?

So that it's really your NBN, the router,

five satellites and your Samsung phone.

It's a clean network.

Do you know what I mean?

And then you're going, okay, let's do,

let's do the same speed test.

Walk all the way down.

And so at, at, um, satellite one, satellite two,

satellite three, satellite four, do three or four speed tests

and see what they average out at.

Because if it's diminishing at distance,

then it kind of isn't working well as a mesh system,

to be honest.

But if it's only diminishing at one point,

then you might be able to actually isolate something else

that's happening there.

And if it's looking good,

then what you do is you turn on device by device in the home

to see what it is that might be causing speed,

slowness or congestion issues on the network.

A little bit of trial and error required,

but man, and I would love to help you directly,

but I don't know.

I've never heard from TP-Link in my life.

So I don't have a contact there to say, hey,

what's going on with this?

If I find one, I will absolutely represent on your behalf.

I'll do a quick bit of digging.

Um, but yeah, I, um,

I think you should be talking to them and, you know,

coming back to them with, with receipts essentially,

which is the idea of saying, look,

before we get started,

I know all the things you're going to tell me.

And here's what I've done.

Here's the screenshots of everything being great in my app.

Here's a, here's a drawing I've done of my home with how it's all

placed and the speeds that I'm getting on a Wi-Fi seven device.

And so you're basically escalating them straight away.

Cause you're,

you're ticking past that first customer service point,

which is, oh, please follow these steps.

You really want to get to the level two technical support.

Don't you?

Yeah.

Let us know how you go, mate.

And if we can do more, I'll let you know.

Perfect.

And then I've got a second question.

Yeah, hear me.

So on your recommendation,

I got a new laptop Christmas time.

So on your recommendation, I obviously added a device.

So I bought the Norton premium.

So the five user Norton premium, whatever it is,

but I keep getting upsold.

Now, every time I go into the app or you're trying to do a test,

it then tries to upsell you for, what was I charged for?

Anti-tracking, then they're trying to charge me.

And then there are $80 for, what was it?

I mean, I haven't used the Norton product personally.

You know, I've been using Trend Micro for years now.

And I think there's a couple of times where they change the interface

and it's like, they show you what you could be doing,

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It's grayed out because you haven't activated it yet.

And so, you know, please activate that kind of thing.

But I don't think I've ever been like pushy, upsold by them.

So I find that very frustrating.

Unfortunately, it's business in these day and age, isn't it?

They've got your eyeball.

Yeah, just I was pretty shocking when, you know, you pay for the premium

and then all of a sudden they want $80 for this and then...

And so I'm just going to look up...

So Norton, is it called 360 premium or just called Norton premium?

Yeah, I think it's Norton 360 premium.

I wonder... I'm going to look for a comparison table.

I wonder what's missing.

Because you're right, it sounds...

It sounds like you got the good one.

Yeah, well, that's...

Yeah, so I think...

Which is kind of hilarious.

Yeah, look, if I look at the scam protection in every plan, right?

I'm on their website, Norton.

Scam protection in every plan.

And premium is the top end.

In this case, they've got plus standard deluxe and premium.

And like there's nothing else on this website that they're trying to sell me.

Yeah, but when you actually have the product...

They charge it, first of all, they want $50 for anti-tracking

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Mate, here's what we'll do.

This is, you know, cancel.

Get out of it. You're probably a year...

You're probably invested, you can't get out of it

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But I'm going to get you a license for Trend Micro.

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Get rid of Norton, put the Trend Micro on

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And we'll get you the premium equivalent

and we'll make sure that you can give us a review

and make sure that you find out whether or not

you're still getting upsold something.

Yeah, that'd be great.

Because to me, like, I'm scrolling down,

I'm going, okay, more security, software and services.

I'm seeing what you're seeing now.

Norton Utilities, $30 a year.

Driver update of $54 a year.

I mean, Jesus Christ, shouldn't that be in premium?

Yeah, well, that's what I thought.

Yeah, I mean, I don't look...

All I know is that with Trend,

I install the product on my laptop and on my phone

and I use the SecuritySuite Pro Plus,

which is like $100 a year.

And I can't imagine what else I might want for.

They have had to have separate products that you can get,

so ID protection and things that have existed.

But if they exist, they're very rarely pushed to you

in that upsell kind of format.

I could be wrong and I haven't noticed them.

But I'd love to...

Maybe you give it a try and let us know how it pans out.

Yeah, no, that sounds great.

Because, yeah, I just thought of Norton when I thought

it was pretty bad the way it's advertised.

So it's premium and then every time you log in to do it,

you can just do an antivirus check.

Yes.

Oh, you know, you need this.

You need this.

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's just frustrating.

Yeah, all right.

Well, let's get you my recommendation,

which is Trend Micro,

and see whether it feels the same or better.

Yeah.

All right, mate.

Stand by, we'll give you details

and we'll come back to you in a little bit, OK?

Great.

Cheers.

Thanks, mate.

Cheers, mate.

No worries at all.

I just faded myself down, not him.

I mean, honestly, I can't speak to it

because mine just kind of sits on.

I don't open the app.

Like, right now, I just look at it and go,

OK, scan now.

What do I do?

I click scan and it's doing a scan.

So for me, on a Mac, the Trend Micro

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It's in the background doing its scans,

which is what I expect of it.

So, yeah, we'll get a license for Trend Micro

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Graham's on the line.

Good day, Graham.

Good day, Trevor.

Mate, we spoke many times over the years.

You're a longtime, very loyal listener

and I appreciate it, mate.

And you, in your former life, having now retired,

you worked with emergency departments.

And we spoke, I feel like it's years ago,

on connectivity in the emergency services.

And you sent me a note that we should update that

because things like Starlink have changed the game.

Talk to me.

Yeah, well, I guess it was,

it's going to be coming up for four years ago

that we last spoke and I was with Fire and Rescue

in New South Wales at the time

and was giving a bit of an update

on what the emergency services are doing with connectivity

and adding satellite to vehicles and things

all post the 2019, 2020 bushfires

and all the difficulties that we posed to them.

Fast forward a few years.

I've retired after 40 years with Fire and Rescue

and decided that my inner nerd

still wasn't fully fulfilled.

So I was approached by a little company up in Queensland

called Hyfer, Hyfer Solutions.

Only nine people in the company at the time

and they said, look, we have some really good ideas

on connectivity and satellite connectivity

that had been in that space for a while.

They've developed their own in-house

emergency service mesh product similar to Uralby Mesh,

but a personal worn mesh for emergency services

to extend connectivity inside buildings and things.

So that really sparked my interest.

Wow.

So I signed up just on a part-time basis with them

sort of three and a bit years ago

and fast forward to today,

we're really working picking goals

with the advances that have come along in that space.

And as you mentioned,

one of the big ones is the move away from the GeoSatellites,

which sort of gave you dial-up speed

and one and a half second latency to using LeoSatellites

we're styling with multi hundreds of megabits speed

and latency of 22 milliseconds.

So it's really changed the game here.

And so how is that deployed?

So we've come up with a solution we call vehicle as a node

and it's kind of a generic concept where we say,

well, we've got the vehicle which has room,

it has power, it has room for antennas,

it has the space to mount all the various widgets you need

to bring this sort of solution together.

And we packaged it up and put it into solution now,

which comprises the Starlink dish,

a very smart SD-Wayne router,

all the power and all the bits and pieces

and packaged them together.

Again, even our system has evolved over the years.

We started off bolting routers and power supplies

and things behind the seats of the vehicle,

which made you pull the whole vehicle apart

and pull the headlinings down and antennas and stuff,

which was a bit cumbersome, but it did the job.

And we've now developed a thing called the Hyther One,

which is basically a box on the roof,

has the Starlink on the top,

all of the routers and power components underneath

and pretty much you just fold it to the roof

or attach it with magnets, plug the power in and away you go.

So we've got a quite an innovative solution there

to be able to offer to home industry services,

mining companies and all those other places

that need that connectivity on the go

and really can't afford to lose it.

Yeah, because obviously there's always going to be a limit

to mobile connectivity.

Despite the power and the growth of the Telstra network,

it's always going to have limitations,

especially when you are dealing with rural areas.

You don't have to be that rural to lose service too,

by the way, people should realize.

So the idea of a box on the roof,

so that allows, because like my brother's a paramedic

and I always think about how it's wild that they have,

you know, everything is not app-based,

but it's kind of web-based.

They can see where the jobs are,

that's where the things are coming through.

So essentially it's, you know, it's IP-based.

It's database.

It's not all just a radio voice communication.

There are literally computer screens

that tell them what to do and where to go.

That relies on them having connectivity.

And so this Starlink,

for better or worse for Elon otherwise,

Starlink is the best thing he's ever done.

It is remarkable what it can do.

Absolutely.

And then following on from the work that sort of

we initiated with Fire and Rescue

and the New South Wales State of Moonshield Service

has also took up that Rural Fire Service

a little bit later in the game,

but that was a big advantage for them

because Starlink came along in the process.

So they went to market looking for some companies

who could do that.

We were lucky enough to win that tender

and we are now in the process of manufacturing

that solution for 5,000

New South Wales Rural Fire Service vehicles.

5,000 RFS vehicles.

We'll be able to have connectivity pretty much

anywhere they can see this guy.

Correct.

And they are using that for,

they've got little mobile data terminal,

little Windows tablet PC in their vehicle

which has all their mapping

and shows where the other vehicles are

and where the emergencies are.

They can connect their radio to it.

They can use it for Wi-Fi calling

and pretty much everything that

the average user is used to having in their day to day life,

but obviously they can use it

wherever they need to use it,

which is pretty much the whole state.

And have you begun looking at

the near to medium future here where

Amazon is also a part of this

low earth orbit setup with their Leo operation,

which you'll kick off, I assume, in the next few months?

Yeah, absolutely.

We're not really locked into any one satellite providers.

Starlink happens to be the best available

and they've got a massive head start

on the rest of the market.

They've got something like 10,000 satellites up at the moment.

So Amazon Leo has got a little way to catch up,

but obviously we really look forward

to having some competition in that space.

The size of this particular contract

did allow us to drive the pricing.

So RFS did benefit from some pretty keen pricing

on the priority data services

that wasn't previously available.

As a result of that contract numbers,

we've got now we're now the largest

mobility provider of satellite,

of Starlink services in the world.

So not bad for a little company.

Wow, because, you know,

Australia's pretty unique in that sense, aren't we?

But you'd think this.

I mean, I guess you think about America.

I don't ever tell you've been to America,

but it doesn't feel as coordinated as Australia.

I feel like, you know, even in one city,

there's six different law enforcements,

let alone a whole state like ours having an RFS

or a CFA in Victoria, whatever you might be.

We are very lucky that we do have the resources that we have.

And you know what?

You've got to put some of that down to disasters

of the past have driven both governments

and those organizations to be better prepared.

And this is great preparation

for the teams that are on the ground,

especially in the RFS case, who are volunteers.

Absolutely.

I've been also, as well as being a full-time firefighter,

I've also been an RFS volunteer for 48 years.

So pretty understanding of what the needs are there.

And yeah, we do have a presence in the U.S.

We've been marketing U.S. for quite a while,

but it's a much different market to here.

And really, Australia, and particularly New South Wales,

and our punch is well above its weight worldwide.

I've traveled through emergency services

in different parts of the U.S. and Europe and Asia,

and nobody is really doing what we're doing here yet.

There are other parts of the world are starting to look up

and see what we're doing and realize how important

that connectivity is.

But our remoteness and the 30% of cellular coverage

that we've got compared to the emergency services

needing to cover the whole state means that,

yeah, we sort of have driven that need

through the big disasters we've had.

And luckily, the government has actually decided

to do something about it and fund it.

It's a drop in the ocean when you consider

the overall cost of emergency services, I guess.

It must be fascinating for you to look back on your career

and the technology that existed in a fire truck

back in the day compared to what's in an RFS.

Like, could you imagine Graham of 30 years ago

sitting in a fire truck and drive being sent to,

you know, images or being teleported into the future

into an RFS truck in 2026-7?

It's remarkable.

I'm a little older than you and even Stephen.

But I do remember when I first started with the Fire Brigade,

we were still using a UBD Street Directory,

a piece of paper printout coming to the fire station,

a radio, and basically trying to work out the directions

to the emergency and things.

And only up until probably six or seven years ago,

that was still the case.

And these days, every single vehicle

has connectivity with satellite.

They've all got GPS tracking.

So the computer system in the 000 call center

can see exactly wherever a truck is,

the closest and send that fastest truck to the incident.

And it's just come such a huge way in my time.

And I can only think what it's going to be like

in the next 10 years.

Well, as long as people like you are across,

and that's, I mean, it's a great thing with credit to you

that you have the knowledge of the industry,

both, you know, the fire and rescue as well as the RFS

to bring to the business that you're working with

and the pitch response, the tender responses,

that are to give them some faith in that stuff, wouldn't it?

You know, because they're not dealing with some, you know,

just random startup who thinks

they're just providing internet into a truck.

Well, it's really a credit to my boss

for reaching out in the first place.

I used to go to a lot of these sort of emergency-related

comms conferences and all the companies that come over

and say, I'll come and look at our latest idea.

And often they were great ideas, but I'd say, okay,

where does that fit into what we need out in the field?

So I was able to bring that knowledge

of really what's needed in the field

and apply our very smart people

to be able to put the solutions together.

And we've come up with a bit of a winning formula.

So it's worked out really well.

Very, very cool.

What's the name of the business?

It's called Hypha H5PHA, Hypha Solutions.

And that little company which had nine people

has now grown through nearly 50 people.

And we, as I say, we're officers in Australia and in the US

and we're really starting to kick some gold

on the back of a lot of this work

and some of the other smart people in the business

have come to some really cool solutions.

So cool, mate. Well done. Congratulations.

And thanks for bringing us forward

and updating us on where you're at with that stuff.

We'll feel some faith in the RFS

and the other such organisations

with their connectivity in the future, mate.

Yeah, it's a real game changer

and good to be able to catch up again.

Good to hear from you, mate. Cheers.

Thanks, mate. Thanks, Graeme.

There you go, Graeme, who lives locally to me.

I have seen him around the place.

We catch up now and then.

And it's fascinating that you just don't think about it.

Like I look at a fire truck or an ambulance

or an RFS truck in you.

There's all this stuff on top

and you realise they've probably got a GPS little thing there

that tells them where they are and all that kind of stuff.

But can you just think about that?

Think about how they go from having UBD street directories,

like Gregory's or Refidex in Queensland

where they would literally be looking up the street

and then finding their way there

to now having full-time connectivity anywhere.

Very, very cool.

Great to have your company.

Andrew's on the line. Good to have Andrew.

How are you going?

Yeah, really good, mate. What can I do for you?

OK, now I've been involved.

I'm still not asked.

I've been told to sort of look at getting an aura ring

by my doctor.

I thought you were going to say your wife.

And I'm like, dude, that's like...

Imagine going home, imagine going to your wife

and saying, I think you should put a fitness tracker on.

What is it that the doctor is worried about

that wants information on?

On my monitor...

I was planning to do it also with work,

but my sleep...

I guess track my sleep.

And he says an aura ring

probably will be better

than, say, a smartwatch type thing.

But yeah, there's quite a lot on the market,

so I don't know, like when I say aura rings.

A lot of smart rings on the market.

Let's narrow down your doctor and say, listen,

you stick to medicine.

I'll stick to tech, right?

What I'm hearing is we want data.

We want information.

We want to know how well you're sleeping

and different things about your sleep.

What do you think about the idea of a smartwatch personally?

I've got a smartwatch,

but I don't wear it when I'm sleeping.

And is that for comfort?

Yeah, more so, yeah.

OK, perfect.

Then 100%, that takes us away from smartwatch

into the ring space.

And I agree with you, mate.

I can't wear them sleeping.

Well, I'm not wearing a watch to bed.

It doesn't make sense.

I take it off.

It's also when I charge it,

there's a bunch of reasons

why it just hasn't really ever made sense to me.

The aura ring, as well as the Samsung Galaxy ring,

the Kogan aura rings, built AURA,

and many, many others are unbelievable

because you forget you're wearing it

and it's tracking your steps during the day.

It might be tracking your blood oxygen levels

and different things, but also it will track your sleep.

And normally they have a battery life of five to seven days.

So it's like once a week you put it on the little charger

while you have a shower or something

and it's pretty much done and good to go.

So I'm in principle 100% on board with the doctor.

My problem with the aura ring is it requires a subscription.

A monthly subscription.

And I said this earlier in the show,

I'm pretty much over subscriptions.

Can we just have a product that works and works well?

Samsung Galaxy, do you have an iPhone or a Samsung?

I have an iPhone.

Then Samsung is not for you

because the Galaxy ring doesn't work

or at least doesn't work well,

but it certainly doesn't fully function

if at all with the iPhone.

But mate, the Kogan ring is awesome.

It's like 150 bucks.

And there's others to be clear.

Here's what I would do.

I would get the Kogan and I would go,

I'm happy with this.

Is it something that's giving me the right information?

Do I want more information?

And then if you really love it and you want to go deeper,

but then maybe you invest more.

And there's another one called Ultra Human, I think,

from memory that doesn't have a subscription.

But the thing about the Kogan is, right,

I've had a couple of people say to me, oh, I bought it,

but it tracks different numbers to my Apple Watch.

Here's the thing.

If you're comparing numbers

between one smart device and another,

they're never going to be the same.

A smart watch will probably track your sleep

better than a smart ring

because it's a larger air service area

and it's got more sensors in it, all this kind of stuff.

If you had a Samsung Galaxy ring on one hand

and a Kogan ring on the other,

they're going to track different numbers of sleep.

But what matters is that it's the same data set daily.

So if the Kogan, for example,

picks up that you got eight hours sleep,

but you think you only got seven,

well, as long as it's consistently an hour over

or consistently 20 minutes under whatever it is,

who cares?

Because I'm pretty sure your doctor will say,

what we're trying to understand here is a pattern.

Is sleep affecting X, Y and Z?

Can we determine from your ring and you can in the Kogan

whether you're getting a deep sleep or light sleep

and you're getting enough of that?

Yes, you can.

Can I see my heart rate during sleep?

Yes, you can.

So honestly, I hear people shouting at their podcast

interface right now saying,

oh, no, it's cheap and it doesn't do it or whatever.

But for basic principles,

you're going to be blown away with it.

I think it's excellent.

That was part of my question really, yeah.

I think that's what your doctor wants at first glance.

Now, to be clear, not medical advice,

I'm very cautious there,

but if your doctor can tell you why the Aura

is better than any other brand,

then hey, maybe they've tried them all

and that would be amazing

and I'd love to have them on the show.

Please give me their details.

And if there's a specific health need to be clear

around something like blood oxygen or heart rate

or something like that,

then I would want you to have a third party measurement

to check that it's close enough to real.

Like so, for example,

one of the things you'd be able to measure

if you do have an Apple Watch

is you'll get things like heart rate and stuff like that.

You'll be able to see during the day,

so nine to five,

what is the difference in the way the Kogan ring

is measuring my heart rate versus the Apple Watch?

Oh, of course, yes.

You'll see it because you do have a measurement there.

And therefore, you'll know,

even though you're not wearing the watch,

and maybe you do wear the watch a few nights

and you get a bit of a baseline.

But honestly, I struggle to recommend people

spending $500 or more plus a subscription

on a ring that you can get for a couple hundred bucks or less.

Yeah, okay, beautiful.

That's great.

That's actually good advice.

Thank you.

Let us know how you end up with it, mate.

Well, dude, cheers.

Much appreciated. Thank you very much.

No, mate, thank you. Cheers.

Look, I bought the ring myself.

I didn't get it for free.

I thought it was cool that you could get it so cheap,

and I thought it was excellent.

I definitely have had people say to me,

I bought it and loved it.

I've definitely had people say to me,

I bought it and it broke.

I definitely have had people say to me,

I bought it and it doesn't track the same data.

It really depends how you go into it.

If you go into it with the right approach,

then I don't think you'll have that issue.

Anyway, we will hear from Andrew

and find out exactly how it goes for him.

And we'll get him back on the show in the months ahead

here on the EFTM podcast.

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Peter's on the line today. Peter, how are you doing?

I'm well, I'm well. Thank you, Trevor.

What can I do for you, mate?

A couple of years ago,

I had to go through the process

of arranging a photo memorial

to celebrate my in-laws when they passed.

At that stage, I purchased,

we had lots of photos,

and you've got a five-minute window

to get them all together.

So I purchased the V600 Epsom scanner,

which did some fairly good photo scanning

as sort of a dedicated machine.

Currently, we're now,

we've now been asked by a family member

they want to do a family tree.

And we've got some very old photos

that won't scan properly.

We notice a lot of the old photos

have actually changed in colour,

I think because of the plastic

albums I were in.

We tried to remove the little plastic covers,

and I think they damaged the photos

because they just been in there for so long.

Looking for a fairly basic,

and sorry, and we have got some good photos,

that your normal Windows 10,

Windows 11 doesn't even allow,

you know, they've got the AI capabilities,

but it doesn't allow you to remove

red light successfully,

remove people in the background.

I was just looking if there was a

recommended basic software

that would allow you to

a little bit better than the stuff

that comes with a normal PC.

You know, it's a funny one because

there used to be a great bit of software called Picasa,

which then became Google Photos,

and it did all this stuff,

but Google Photos doesn't do it.

There are plenty of apps on the smartphone

that'll do it.

So, it's kind of an extra step

to get them onto the smartphone

and do it that way, but weirdly,

there are some pretty good apps.

Google Snapseed would be my pick.

It's fantastic at retouching photos,

basically.

I wonder if you should try Canva.

C-A-N-V-A.

Canva is an online,

like a web-based tool.

Most software is now web-based,

so you don't download and install it,

but it's an Aussie company,

a billion-dollar company.

They do amazing things,

and it's all about making designs and things,

but I think they have a face retouch option

in the Edit menu of a photo.

So, it's weird because you have to create a design,

so you upload the photo,

and then you tell it you're going to create a design,

but you actually just bring the photo in,

and then you just click on the photo and go Edit Image,

and it has like an AI-powered tool.

It's going to see the red eye.

It's going to do a pretty good job with that, I think.

Failing that, honestly,

your best bet is definitely to find

a smartphone app.

Because, you know,

Photoshop will do it,

but you don't want to have a subscription to Photoshop.

Yeah, it's probably Canva,

or an app on your smartphone

would be the simplest way to do it.

Look, you're not going to have hundreds of them,

I don't think.

No, we're just looking at old ones.

We'll get some fantastic photos,

but back in the day,

people were walking the wrong way,

or you had someone in the background

that you want to now delete,

and I see those things

on some phone apps.

What's the most modern phone

in your family?

Sorry, I got an iPhone 13 Pro.

13 Pro doesn't have

Apple Intelligent,

so it wouldn't go quite as good

as removing people from the background

and all that stuff, but again,

Canva

has some pretty cool image editing tools,

and there are plenty of apps

that will at least give it a crack.

So I think actually your best bet

is to move to the smartphone and go,

what's the coolest thing I can do on a smartphone with this?

Okay.

Appreciate that, so we'll look at that,

and I'll give you some feedback.

No worries, mate, I appreciate it.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Thank you, Trevor, thanks for your call.

Good on you, mate, no worries at all.

I'll be honest, you're probably shouting at the speaker again,

going, what about?

What about? You've got to let me know.

It's been so long since I've needed

to remove red eye in a photo,

I've never even looked for that function.

I just know that it's not in Google Photos

from last time I looked.

So if you have a way to do this thing,

then educate us all,

and let me know what that thing is

and what that method is,

because that way we

can all learn from you.

No point shouting at the podcast.

Let's all learn together.

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Mike's on the line today, Mike.

Hey, really good, what can I do for you?

I run a small business,

I've been doing it for 18 years.

A big important part

of advertising is

Google Maps

Reviews and things like that.

Yeah, of course. So you say roofing?

Yes.

You want people to leave reviews

after you've done the job,

and you want all that, don't you?

Yeah, that's right. It just helps other customers

get a guide of what you like

before they ask for quotes and things like that.

Yeah, I understand.

So what's happened?

I've always had pretty good reviews.

I had a few

one-star reviews a while back from

what I believe

just guys that do

fake reviews.

What usually happens is I get contacted

by companies from

Indira or Pakistan, wherever they are,

and ask me if I want to pay for some

fake five-star reviews.

And I deny it,

and say no thank you.

And then, well, all of a sudden

overnight, I've got a one-star review from

nobody I know.

So it's like a little revenge tactic

they use if you don't use them.

And that's happened a while ago,

and I tried to report it,

but nothing really happened, so I ended up

just writing a reply saying

just

looks like I've got a fake review

from a fake review company.

I was just going to say, as long as you take the time,

because I used to run the

Google

listing for my mum's pub, and I've said

before, I'm not

bagging you publicly here, I've said this

plenty of times before,

her customer service was not amazing.

And so we would get legitimate reviews

that were like four stars.

The food was amazing, but the lady

behind the bar was a real cow or whatever,

you know?

So I would always reply

so that I could say, hey, glad you love the food,

but you're being treated like family, whatever.

So I think it's really important

to engage with reviews first and foremost.

You're doing a great job there.

And I think yet calling them out

is critical. You know, saying something

like we have no record of this person being

a customer, and it's disappointing

that whoever this is has taken the time to do

that, but I'm sure

anyone who gives us a try will love our

service judging by all the other great reviews.

So that's the best you can

physically do as an individual, because

as we all know, Google's a beast

to be company. And I'm pretty sure

so you've said you've reported them before

has nothing happened. Well, here's the key

because that was that what happened a few years ago, those

two. And then just recently I had

a WhatsApp message

from a gentleman in Pakistan saying that

he has been employed

to leave 30 negative reviews on my business

from someone in Australia.

I'm very skeptical

of that. Like I just believe he's reaching out to try

and blackmail me because straight after that

he's offered

to remove them and

for a few 50 Australian dollars

which has he

left the bad reviews?

He had two down there already, negative ones

which he admitted

were from him. I've got like the screenshots on the

WhatsApp messages.

I play along. I like to play along with scammers.

You and I

are very, very alike. Yes, go on.

So

I said, yeah, no worries if you mind if I

pay next week. I just don't have the funds

at the moment and in the meantime I've reported it

to Google just to see what would happen.

Google actually, so I remember reading somewhere

that if you reply to their message

that nulls any work Google can do.

All right.

If you want them to remove it, you can't reply.

Interesting.

Yeah, so these two I didn't reply. I just

I just reported them and

started this week. They were gone. So Google's obviously

flagged it and done their job.

So that's the first time they've done that for me.

How long did it take?

That's a week.

It's a long time in business though, isn't it?

You know, I suppose if he starts dropping

20 of the buddy things.

Yeah, well, I got the message this morning

saying it looks like

you're not going to pay me

because I just blocked him after that. Once they remove it, I just blocked him.

He

messaged me again and what's that with a different number

and there's another

three one stars this morning

on the account. So it's so

yeah, he's

a bit upset that I did that and not pay him.

I guess so. Yeah, but

this could go on for a long, long time.

Absolutely.

Look, on background

I did because I saw your text

message come through, which is why I chastised

producer Rob for not having the line

up today, which is why he contacted you so quickly.

He's filthy. He missed your text

message and you weren't in the spreadsheet

because I saw your text message and then I went

oh, I think

a current affair did a story on this. I'm sure of it.

Recently

with the whole blackmail thing

and so basically

Google say, yeah, you need

to report it. You need to flag it

and then there's legal

requests you can make but

I mean, have you got a lawyer? I don't have a lawyer.

Who's paying

you pay a lawyer more than you'd pay the blackmail

with the greatest

respect to the lawyers in our audience

Andrew included, hello mate

but look, if

all I can say to you is this, you do

on the right thing, you flag in them, that's the best

you can do, you got to keep your chin up

you, if it

does escalate in some way

I do want you to reach back

out because I do now have

a contact who can at the very

least maybe attempt something

but given mate

these scammers, they're using a different phone number

every week for you, trust me that Google's

not going to know where they are, they're going to be able to block them

and yeah

you just need to double

down on the real client reviews as well

yeah, and I mean

my hope is really that they'll just

be removed in a timely manner, I'll be happy with that

yeah, that's fair, that's fair

but it is a weaker timely manner

I mean

I personally think it's going to affect my business

because I've got a lot of good reviews on there

yeah, right

and if they weren't there, I'd have a perfect 5 star

oh right

yeah, well that's a budge of honour mate

you really should

you're just going to have to keep

an eye on it, but if it escalates

let me know

I'd like if they had

some sort of, because obviously I've got screenshots

of this guy admitting everything and that would be a perfect way

to just prove what I'm saying is true

and that I just got nowhere to submit that

on their Google review

because the report button is just reported done

finished

okay, well look I might

get you to

send us those screenshots, I'll get producer Rob

to contact you and give you an email address

to send me those screenshots

just so that we can get some background to Google

at the same time as acknowledging

that you're satisfied that they are taking them down

but you know, we're just concerned

that it might escalate, because once they've got someone on the hook

you know, that's what they want

they want to really win

yeah, yeah

I mean he's got time and he could probably

put one on every day if he wanted to so

that's right, yeah, he's being paid

by the hour to just do this rubbish

and you know, all it takes is

two businesses to pay and that's another five days

pay for him

he can do more

I've almost considered paying the guy

and just keeping him on the books to remove

because you reckon he can remove them

and just keep him on the books just to remove anyone else that tries to

but where does it stop?

there's no way he has the ability to remove other people's reviews

he has the ability to remove his own

but no one else's

don't hire a scammer mate

I'm sure I'll make that

I'll get a tax write off

yeah

we won't have to pay a tax

because he's overseas

maybe you don't have to pay a roll tax

maybe there's something in it

all right mate

well I'm glad you got something going on

but let's see if we can do a little bit of a look into it

in the meantime as well

it's been great mate, I've listened to you guys

for so long and you and it's course

awesome to talk to you, that's great

great mate, I appreciate it

never hesitate to get in touch

cheers mate, good on you

there you go, look

I'm sure a current affair did a story on it

I feel like I saw it somewhere

because the emotional toll

if it's ongoing is enormous

Mike's got a good attitude, he's got a good business

and he knows it's not affecting him

but it could very easily

so yeah

if you're a small business and you've had that problem

let's know how you've handled it

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Jody's on the line today Jody

good morning Trevor, how are you

very well, what can I do for you

so you gave me great advice

to originally get

my

boost mobile plans

and also

Aussie broadband but our

boost plans are coming up

in about 10 days or renewal

and

the trouble is with my husband's

travelling around the wide bay

Thunderbird region

he is not getting the best coverage

with his

phone

so what he's hoping

yeah, so he looked at moose

we didn't know what moose is like

have you heard of that? I've heard of them

look

here's the thing

if you're not getting coverage

so let's think of it this way

there's three networks, Telstra, Optus, Vodafone

in regional Australia

and you're broadly in that camp

Optus and Vodafone have the same coverage

because they now share towers and things

which is fantastic

but you've really got to work out

is there coverage where you want

on a telco so moose for example

is Optus

they're not owned by Optus but they're on the Optus

network

so what you need

to do is find out whether or not

he's going to get coverage and that's a very hard thing to do

without switching

great news though

Optus, oh I think they've still got it

anyway I have to check but Optus had

and hopefully still have

a thing called a 7 day trial

and it's very cool, what sort of phone

your husband got?

it is an iPhone

a recent one, last couple of years

ah yeah, last three years

yeah, perfect

so what you do is

you've got to have not been an Optus customer before

so were you an Optus customer

before?

I don't think so

I think we've always been sort of Telstra

what you do is you download the My Optus app

and I think

it's somewhere in the obvious settings

but you want to do a 7 day trial

and what it does

is it says you've got to sign up for a My Optus account

and the reason it

checks your driver's license or your address

and says you've already been an Optus customer

you can't try again, it stops people getting a free account

every 7 days basically

but basically what you can do is sign up

for a free trial and what it does is it puts

a second number on his phone

a new number, a random number on the Optus network

and all he needs to do

is keep his eye on his phone

because the both SIM cards

will operate at the same time

when you set up a second SIM card

on a phone it says which one do you want to use

for data, which one do you want to use for calls

we'll just use your Boost one for everything

but the Optus one is still on

it's there if you want it

and what happens is at the top of the screen

you know where you see how many bars of coverage you've got

instead of being

like a triangle of bars

it'll just be two lines of bars

and you'll be able to see

if there's no Boost or very little boost

is there any Optus

and so using this little technique

you'll be able to drive along

that same route that he takes every day

or wherever he goes at that time

and go actually where I've got crap coverage

from Telstra there is Optus

or at home

where we have great Telstra coverage

there's no Optus and that's no good for us

so you can essentially look at them

side by side the other thing you can do

if that's too complicated or isn't available anymore

is what you can do is you can

go to a service station

grab a SIM card of

any other carrier even if it's just directly Optus

and when your

when your Boost plan

ends for hubby

switch him to someone else

switch him to Moose but just for one month

yeah

so don't do a long term switch

just switch for a month

and see how it feels take it for a test drive

because after three weeks

you'll know after two weeks you'll know

and then you go okay it's good

I'm going to renew I'm going to keep going

I'm going to stay with this carrier

or switch to Kogan mobile

they're on the Vodafone network

see what they're like and if it all

ends up being that Boost was the best of the bunch

go back to Boost

right because I know his

work phone works on Optus

oh okay perfect

when he runs out of bars with his own phone

Optus is usually

always working so he

he reckons he's got more coverage

range sort of with that

yep so then

the thing to look at in terms of value now

because obviously the reason we talked originally

was to get value out of your mobile plan

correct and you don't want him to start

spending buddy you know 40 dollars

a month when you're

about to spend 300 for the year

it's insane I don't

think Moose offers 12 month plans

so

what I would do is look for an Optus carrier

that does and

you look at long

expiry sim plans with a May sim

for example which is also

on the Optus network

yes and so

I'm looking here 365 days

320 dollars

for 240 gigabytes of data

199 dollars for 200 gigabytes

of data so if you can get a sense of how much

data hubby used over the last year

you'll be able to work out which one of those

it's about that 240 I reckon

or less

yeah so 320

for a May sim

which is pretty close to what you'll pay

for a boost

you get a bit more data with boost actually

at 315 dollars

gee whiz there's a deal right now 50 bucks off

you should buy these for you how many other

boost sims have you got

so we need to

him and you or

well don't buy his yet because he's thinking

of changing but for you

go and buy it now even though it hasn't

doesn't need to be activated

because right now it's 50 dollars off for the

365 gigabyte plan

315 dollars

oh that's great to me

normally 365

if you don't need that much

data by the way it's only 300 dollars

for 290 gigabytes of data

but for an extra 15 dollars you're getting

a whole lot more data so

that sale ends

at the time of recording that ends on the 23rd of

February so what I'm saying is

if you buy

that now you have to act hang on it I'm just

reading the terms and conditions you have to activate

by the 2nd of March so when does

your plan end mine's

nine days away perfect

so that would be perfect for me

because I stream every morning when I work

so there you go we've got you

we've got you a good deal on the

best boost plan and if hubby is

confident about Optus switch him to

a may sim yep alright

and that's on the Optus one anyway

yes exactly

beautiful that's great

great stuff lovely to hear from you again

yeah thank you so much for your help

no worries at all anytime you know that

yep thank you so much

good on you thanks for getting in touch

lovely to hear from you as always

you know sometimes there's a reason why you've got to

pick a particular telco and there you go

for the people that oh geez on tiktok they go wild

for it but people that you know say there's

nothing but Telstra look at that guy

he has

happily suggested the Optus

network is doing better than Telstra

in a regional area of

Australia

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