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WelcomebacktoAlltheCarsI'veLovedBefore,yourauthoritativepodcastonautomotivenostalgia.
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Youknowwhattimeitis.
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It'stimetofliponyourfavoritecarthemedt-shirt,getalittlegreaseunderournails,andstepbackintimeandmakenewfriends.
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Youknow,it'swhatwedo.
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We'reherewithalovelyguestthatwe'regonnameethereinaminute.
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Butbeforewegoon,weatleasthavetosayhitomyco-hostDougandseewhathe'sgotgoingoninhislife.
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Tellmeaboutit,Doug.
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Didn'ttellyouaboutmyt-shirt.
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It'sjustuhair-cooleduhPorscheG50platform,midtolate80sbeforetheywenttotheuhN64.
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Aircooledguymyself.
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NeverownedaPorsche,butit'sintheit'sinthethethehopesanddreamspileatthemoment.
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WithoutthatVolkswagen,Porschewouldn'tbehere.
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Speakingofourpodcast,doyouhaveanyupdates?
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TheonlyupdateiswehadChristinaLardy'sepisodedroptoday,dependingonwhenpeoplehearit.
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Uhit'salreadyout,andit'swonderfulbecausewegottohearaboutsomebodywhowasaself-proclaimednoobtotheindustry,gettinginvitedtoSEMA,walkingaroundaskingpeoplequestionslike,hey,uh,Ihavea383strokergalop.
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Hey,Ihavethisgaragefullofpartsforuhherherdad's1969Camarothatshewasrestoringandwasboughtasafather-daughterproject,andhepassedaway.
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Soshe'scontinuingthatprojectonandshe'sjustagreatguest.
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Ofcourse,weknowherfromFacebook,Instagram,andYouTube.
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Whereshedoesjustamazingworkandshe'sdocumentingherbuildrightnow.
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Soit'sreallyexciting.
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AndshecallsitChristina'sgaragegearheadintrainingbecausesheislearningwhiledoingit.
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Ilovethataboutourcallcarculturebecausewelovesharingknowledgeanditkeepsitalive.
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Ifyouhaven'tlistenedtoChristina's,gobackandlistentoit.
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Realquickonmyendonupdates,wehavereviewsthatpoppedup.
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Soonereview,wegotcarstoriesdoneright.
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Everybody'sgotacarstory.
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Thehandmedownthatgotyouthroughcollege,theoneyoushouldn'thavesold.
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Thisshowletspeopletelltheirs.
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TheCatDeLoreanepisodealonewasworthit.
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You'llendupthinkingaboutcarsyouforgotuhmissed.
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WonderfulreviewfromRyan.
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Butthatbringsustotoday'sguests.
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AndI'dloveforDougtotellushowdiduhhowdidourtoday'sguestcomeintoourvirtualgarage?
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Wehavebeenmeetingalotofgreatauthors.
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WehaduhFatherSononrecentlywhodocumentedtheirCOVIDcarbuild.
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Anduhsothat'showwemetMattDeLorenzo.
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He'swrittenseveralbooks,he'sworkedatseveralofthemostpopulartradetrademagazinesbackintheday,includingAutoWeekandmanyothers.
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We'regonnatalkaboutoneofhisrecentbooksaswellashispassionprojectforuhTightwalkGarage.
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Souh,Matt,howareyou?
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Greattobe,greattohaveyouwithus.
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I'mI'mgladtobehere.
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Yourresumeisquiteuhquiteimpressive,Mr.
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Well,it'sit'smyjob,youknow,thisiswhatmycareeris,andIthinkI'vebeenblessedreallytobeabletodosomethingIloveforsuchalongtime.
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SoIlovecarsandIlovewritingaboutthem.
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Andnowthatwe'relookinguhatyouryourcamerahere,Iseesomebeautifulartworkbehindyouandlookslikemagazines.
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Telluswhatyougotthere.
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Well,oneofthemisacoverfromuhAutoWeek.
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IwaseditorofAutoWeekfromuh19uh89till98.
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AnduhthatparticularcoverisuhViperanduhsignedbyCarolShelby.
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IhadanopportunitytoridewithhimatIndywhentheViperwasthepacecar.
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AndIgototherlittle,youknow,Ihaveyoucan'tseethemthatwell,butIgotacoupleofthingssignedbyDaleJr.
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AgreatphotoofaCunninghambyMichaelFurman,andthenaghostedimageofaGTbyareallygoodfriendandcolleague,JohnLamb.
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Soumalotofthisstuffiscomefrommyabilitytoworkwithsomeofthegreatestuhpeopleintheworld.
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IIhaveabunchofpicturesfromDeniseMcCluggage.
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WhenIwasuheditoratAutoWeek,shewroteforusanduhshewasadearfriend.
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Yeah,it'suhI'vemetreallyamazingpeople,workedwithamazinguhtalents.
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JustincrediblyfortunatetodothethingsthatI'veI'vebeenabletodo.
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Andthat'sathat'sjustgoesbacktoyouryourresumethattheplacesyou'vegottoworkgotyou,youknow,totoberubbingshoulderswiththesepeoplethatweinthecarculturewerelike,wow,likehavinganautographedmagazinecoverfromCarolShelby,that'spriceless.
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Likethat'sjustamazing.
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Sothankyouforuhthankyouforlettingusseeit,andthankyouforsharingthestory.
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I'mjustsoimpressedwitheverythingMatt'sdone.
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Andonthepre-show,wewerejusttalkingaboutthecarindustryandhowthecarshowshavechangedovertime.
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Whereasbefore,peoplelikeMattinthepresswereabletohavelotsofconversationswiththeexecsfromdifferentcarcompanies,andnowthat'schangedalittlebit.
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They'restillintheCOVIDage,Ithink,tosomedegree.
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Butuhhopefullythat'sgonnacomeback.
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TalkingtoMatt,wewetalkedaboutanotherpastguest,JohnDavis,andtheyknoweachotherprettywell,itsoundslike,anduhraninalotofthesamecircles,includingIrememberinthe80sseeingJohnatacarshow.
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Thatwasathatwasabigguy.
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Anduh,ofcourse,DaveandIgrowingupinMaryland,MotorWeekwastheshowtowatch,anditstillis.
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Itdefinitelyis,yeah.
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Johnhasdoneaterrificjobanduhjustagreatgentleman,youknow,andandhereallydoesuhexcellent,excellentwork.
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Andagain,heandIwereumfounders,originaljurorsontheNorthAmericanCar,Truck,andUtilityoftheYear.
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SowheneverwegetwegettogetheranddoadriveeveryyearofthesemifinalistsbackinMichigan,soIalwayslookforwardtoseeingJohnthere.
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Yeah,ifIdon'trunintohimsomewhereoutatacarshowororuhsomewhereoutontheroadonapreview.
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Canyoutellusalittlebitaboutthejurorthing?
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Sothere's50jurors,andwejustrecentlyannouncedthecaruhNorthAmericanCarTruckandUtilityoftheYearaward.
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Thecarthisyearwastheandyouknow,IIreallythinkthattheawardsthisyearareamicrocosmofwhat'sgoingonintheautoindustryrightnow.
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SothecarwinnerwastheDodgeCharger,andthechargercomesintwodoors,fourdoors.
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It'sabigAmerican,youknow,reardrivesedanandcoupe.
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Itcomesinallelectric.
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Sothemostpowerfulversionofit,620horsepower,allbatteryelectric.
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Oryoucangetagasversionofitwiththethree-literstraightsixthatmakes550horsepower.
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Itcomesinall-wheeldrive,butithasalockablerear-wheeldrivemode,soyoucandoburnouts.
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Tome,ittellsyouthattheAmericanmusclecarisnotdead.
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Batteryelectricswillbeafactorinthefuture,butdon'tcountoutgasengineseither.
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So,andIIfullysuspectthatthey'regonnaputtheV8Hemiinthatcarsomewheredowntheroad.
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Butit'sreallyagreatcar,wonthewonthecarawardoverthetheuhNissanCentraandtheRebornHondaPrelude.
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SoIthinkthefactorsthatthatumworkedintouhtheDodgeChargersuhfavorwasthevarietyofdrivetrains,theflexibility,theall-wheeldrive,twodoors,fourdoors,thatkindofthing.
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It'snotit'snot,itdoesn'thaveatrunk,it'sactuallyhasaliftback,soitisquiteusable.
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Umanditanditwonbyafairlysubstantialmargin.
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Souhit'sagoodgoodcaroftheyearchoice.
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That'sthat'swonderfultohear.
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Yeah,inthetrucktruckcategory,thetheMaverickLoboone,andthatagainkindofpointstothecompactpickuptrucksegment,whichisgrowing,andIthinkwe'llseeafewmorenewentriesinthere.
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RightnowyouhavetheHyundaiSantaCruzandtheMaverick,butuh,there'ssometalk.
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Toyotamightcomeinwithone,talk,maybeRammightdoone.
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Sothat'sanotherkindofsnapshotmoment.
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Andthenintheutilitiessegment,thePalisadeone,whichkindofshowsthestrengthoftheKoreanautomakersintheU.S.
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It'sathree-rowuhfull-sizeSUV,whichAmericanslove,anditoffersahybridoption.
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It'llgetyouover30milespergallon.
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Sothatwasanothergoodsolidchoice.
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Iwillhavetosay,whenuhmywifeandIwerelookingatSUVs,um,thethePalisadeandtheTellYouRidewerereallystrongcompetitorsforbeinguhyouknowanon-Americanmarket.
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Theydohavealotofluxuryfeaturesandthey'retheyhaveagoodride.
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Sothat'sumthat'sawesometohear.
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Andspeakingofthethekindofrumors,youmightknow,youmightnotknow.
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IsittruethatDodgeisthinkingaboutbringingbacktheDakotaplatform?
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Yeah,there'sbeensometalkaboutthemeithergettingintothemid-sizeorcompactpickupmarket.
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So,youknow,thequestioniswhetherornotit'llbebrandedaRAMoraDodge.
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AndIandTimCaniskisjustrecentlyjustuhcamebacktotakeoverNorthAmericansalesforChryslerDodgeandandJeep.
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Uhhe'snotahesayshe'snotaverseofrecombiningRAMwithDodge,whichIIkindofthink,youknow,uhDodgeRamisalwaysit'salwaysbeenaDodgeRam,right?
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Yeah,IIIdon'tthinkitwasagreatideatotrytobreakitoutasaseparatebrand.
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IthinksoIyouknow,itcouldhappen.
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AndIIwouldliketoseeaDakota.
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Ithinkthesesmaller,youknow,we'vehadsortofmissioncreepwithfull-sizepickups,theyaresobignow.
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Andyouknow,theRangerusedtobeacompactpickup,andnowit'samid-sizepickupthat'salmostasbigassomeF-150sofacouplegenerationsago.
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SoIthinkthere'sbeenasthesevehiclesgrowinsize,there'sroomunderneathforsmaller,moreaffordableandfuntodriveoptions.
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Yeah,Imean,liketheRanger,ifyouthinkbacklate70s,early80s,wheretheFordCouriereven,likethatwasatinypickup.
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Andyoucan'tfindanythingonthemarketinAmericalikethatnow.
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You'dhavetogotothethetheKmarketinJapantofindanythingcomparable,whichbothDougandIareKcarlovers.
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IactuallyownaKvehicle,butyouknow,it'sit'sjustfunnythatAmericajustkeepsgettingbigger.
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Andit'salmostlikewhenumkindofwhenthat80sthefuelcrisishappenedandweallhadhugecarsandthentheyhadtodownsizebecauseofthefuelcrisis.
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Umwe'realmosttothatpointwithwithoutthefuelcrisis,butwe'reallgettingtothatpointwherethecarsarejustsooveroversizedthatsomething'sgonnahavetogiveandwe'regonnahavetogobacktosmallcarsagain.
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Butuhspeakingofsmallcars,let'stalkaboutyourfirstcar.
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Let'suhgointhewaybackmachineandlet'suhuhlet'slet'stalkaboutyourfirstcar,Mr.
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DodgeGremlorDodgeAMCGremlin.
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AndIgotitbecauseitwascheap.
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IthinkIpaid$2,000forit.
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Ititithadabackseat,whichwasanoptionatthetime,butthecarcostabout$2,000.
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Hadathree-speedmanual,vinylfloorcoverings,vinylseatsthathadthestraightsixto232cubicinchthat,youknow,derivedfromChevy.
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Ithinkitwasprettybulletproof,butitwasn'tthrustproof,unfortunately.
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Youknow,umkid,becauseIthinkAMCwaswayaheadofitstimeinbuildingbiodegradablecars.
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Uhsoyoudon'tseetoomanyofthemaroundanymore.
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Iyouknow,thestylingwaswaskindofquirky,butIlikedit.
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Anditactuallywasafuncartodrivebecauseyouget,youknow,IIreallywantedtolearnhowtodriveastickanddidalotofburnoutsandIwentthroughalotofclutchesandIlearnedhowtochangeclutchesmyselfandyouknow,uhdroppingatransmissionintheparkinglotofcollegeandswappingoutabecauseIforgottoputthethrow-upbearinginanewthrow-upbearinginandtoreplacethatafterI'ddonetheclutch.
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So,youknow,itwasagreatlearningcar.
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Ireallyenjoyedthat.
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Andthenyoucouldfixityourself.
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Youyou'dhaveaproblem,you'dfigurefigureitout.
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That'sthat'sanotherthingthatwe'vegottenawayfrominthethecarmarketnowisnothingisdoableintheinthedrivewayorthegarageanymore.
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Imean,youhavetotakeiteithertothedealershiporanactualmechanic,evenforsomethingsimple.
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Andwitheverythingbeingcomputersandsensors,youknow,likeoneonebadpuddle,andthenextthingallyourdashlightsaregoingonandthecardoesn'twork.
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Soit'soneofthoseknowingthatyoucouldyoucouldchangeoutyourtransmissioninthethecollegeparkinglot,um,justsaysalottohowfarwe'vecome.
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Um,andnotnecessarilyinabadway,butatthesametime,howfarit'schanged.
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It'sait'salotdifferentbecausetherearepeoplethatknowwhataHaynesmanualis.
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Yes,andthenthereareotherpeoplewhoaresaying,Oh,mycarthrewoutthiscode.
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That'showfarwe'vecome.
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Yeah,it'sthesamething.
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Youcan'tevenfindumABCmapsanymore.
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Theydon'tevenprinthalfofthem.
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AndlikeIlearnedhowtoreadamap,andnowit'severything'sGPS.
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MyIdon'thaveasignal,Idon'tknowwhereI'mgoing.
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It'slike,well,justlookatthemap,youknow?
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Well,thatthankyouforsharingaboutyourfirstcar.
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Let'sjustgosee,sincewe'reonyourtheWaybackMachine,wetalkedaboutthetheGremlin.
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WhatwasyournextcarandwhathappenedtotheGremlin?
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SoItrItradeditinandIgotaused73OldsCutlassumcoupe,andIdrovethehelloutofthatthing.
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Imean,IIIputalotofmilesonit.
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Andyouknow,thatwasaninterestingthingaboutbigV8poweredcarsbackinthedayisthattheytheengineswerenotstressed.
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Uhyoucoulddrivethem,youknow,uhwithoutoilinthem.
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Theoillightwouldcomeonandgo,oh,Ibetterputsomeoilinit.
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Sothethethecutlasswasinterestingbecausewehaditforalongtime.
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UmandthenIgotit,ImovedtoCaliforniaandIgota70Corolla,andIwasdrivingthattowork.
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Mywifewasdrivingthebig,thebigolds,andthetransmissionwentonit.
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Sowewewenttogetthetransmissionfixed,andwewerewatchingTVonenight,andthetransmissionshopthatourcarwasinburneddown.
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Wewent,ohmaybemaybeourcarburneddown.
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We'llgetsomeinsurancemoney.
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Andno,theyweredonewithit,anditwasoutside.
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Idrovethatcarsolong,Iendedupgivingittothelocalhighschool.
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Idonateditsbodytoscience.
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Idonatedittolocalhighschoolshopclass.
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Andthatthat'swhereitendedup.
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SoonethingthatweIforgottoaskwhileweweretalkingaboutthegremlin,whatcolorwasit?
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Sothat'swhatIIwasweweretalkingaboutcars,andI'mabigvisualperson.
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SolikeIwanttopicturethegremlinandIIneededtoseeinmymind'seyewhattheyhadsomewildcolorsbackthentoo.
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Therewaslikealimegreenandanorangeandpurple.
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Butyeah,IIhadablue.
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I'vehadalotofbluecars,soyeah,thatwasoneofthem.
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Doyoutendtostraytowardsthebluewhenyou'rewhenyou'reonthecarlot?
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IIyouknow,I'vehad,I'mtryingtothinkalotofmycar.
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IhadaHondacordthatwasblue.
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UhNissanLeafthatIhaveisblue.
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SoIhadaHonda'sumCRXthatwasblue.
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Ihadthatin '84whenitfirstcameout.
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Anduhuhfunlittletwo-seater.
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Itwaslikeasportscar.
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ThatwasprobablylikeoneofthemostfuncarsIowned.
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Yeah,Iandumyouactuallyyouyoumentionedthatonebeingyouryourprobablyyourfavoritecaroutoftheonesyoucouldrememberwhenyouwerefillingoutourumourentry.
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SoI'mgladyoubroughtthatup.
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ButuhwasthewastheCRXwasthatamanualormanual.
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Thefirst,myfirstcarwasamanual,mysecondcarwasanautomatic.
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ThenextautomaticthatIboughtwasmysecondPTcruiser.
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SoandfromthenonI'vehad,youknow,wehaveawehaveaumHyundaiIonicuhplug-inhybrid,that'sanautomatic,andtheandtheleafisanautomatic.
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ButeveryeverythingelseI'veownedhasbeenamanualtransmission.
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It'ssomethingaboutgettinginacarwithaclutchthatjustmakesyoufeellikeyou'remoreconnectedtoit.
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Andmyandmygiveheralotofcredit.
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Imean,she'sshe'sputupwithalotofmycarstuff,butshe'sthegreatmanualdriveraswell.
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AndItaughtmykidshowtodrivethem,andactuallyithelpedmysonwhenhewasavaletparker,becausenottoomanykidsknowhowtodriveastick.
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Andthatisevenmoretruetodaythanitwasbackthen.
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OneoftheoneoftheneatthingsIdidwithhim,uhEggertydidathing,Idon'tknowiftheystilldoit,buttheywouldgetuhpeoplethathadoldclassiccarswithmanualtransmissions,andtheywouldgettogetherandtheywouldletthesetheywouldteachthesekidshowtodrivetheircars.
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SoItook,IwaslivinghereinSouthernCalifornia,mysonwasinhighschool,wewentouttoAnaheimStadium,andhegottodriveaJeep,uh,notaJeep,aVWthing,allmanuals,aTR3,aCorvette,Mustang,andaPackardwithathreeonthetree.
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Soitwasreallyitwasreallyagreatexperienceforhim.
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AndIandIgiveuhMikhailHaggertyandthepeopletheiruhpropsforyouknowexposingyoungpeopletotothejoysofdrivingamanualtransmission.
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Ithinkthat'llhelpengenderumandmakesurethatthere'llbealotofenthusiastsaroundinthefuture.
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IIammustsavethemanualtransmissionguy,mainlybecauseofmyVolkswagenloveandpassion.
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Butum,butyeah,it'sitandhearingthathegottodriveathingaround,itmakesmealittlejealoustoo,becauseIIlovetodriveathingaround.
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Well,that'sawesome.
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Doug,doyouhaveanythingyouwanttothrowin?
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I'vebeentalkingaway.
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No,IImeanuhitit'salwaysfunnytohearabouttheinterestinmanualsbecauseI'vetalkedaboutmanytimes.
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Myfirstcarwasautomatic,DodgeTaytona,andthenIwantedtolearntodriveamanualbecausemyfriendshadone,andthenitjustwentfromthere.
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Andnowmydailydriveriselectrics,no,nomanual,butIstillhavetheDeLoreanandIhavethethe300ZXonceIcomebackontheroadforever.
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Yeah,can'tuhIstillcan'tgivethoseup.
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Sojustthemanualexperienceistotally,totallydifferent.
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Youknow,andandandoneoftheoneofthethingsthatI'veobservedisthefactthat,youknow,backintheday,racingcarsweremanualsbecausetheyweremoreefficient,theyshiftedquicker,youcouldyouhadmorecontrolovertheengineRPMsandandthingslikethat.
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Assequentialshift,clutch,youknow,uhdualclutchandalltheseracinggearboxesgotbetterandbetterandbetter,itkindofmovedawayfrom,youknow,thetheracecarsnow,alotofthem,theydohaveaclutch,butthey'reyouknow,youyou'rebasicallysequentialshiftingthroughagearbox.
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Butthemanualtomemakesgrandtouringorgoingonalongdrivemuchmoreenjoyablewhenyouhavewindingroadsandyou'rejustsomuchinengagedwiththecarthatactuallyIfindinthegrandtouringexperienceamanualactuallyenhancestheexperienceratherthandetractingfromit.
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Itstillcanbealittlebitofachallengetodriveamanualandinstopandgotraffic,butthat'syouknow,thatcomeswiththeturf.
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Istill,ifIgetanothercarinhere,it'sit'sdefinitely,youknow,ifIgetanolduhtwo-seater,it'sgonnabeit'lldefinitelybeamanual.
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Yeah,youcan'tdiscounttheanalogexperience,right?
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Andit'sitdoesmakeabigdifferenceingoingforaleisurelydrive,likeyousaid,orgoingforalongdrive.
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It'sjustyou'rejustmoreengaged.
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Yeah,becauseifyoudon't,ifyou'renotifyou'renotinthemindsetofdrivingthecar,itwon'tgo.
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Soyouhavetoyoucan't,youknow,youcan'tjuststart,youknow,zoningoutbecausethere'sgonnabeamomentwhereyou'regonnalike,ohno,Ineedtoshiftthegear.
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Soitkeepsyouitkeepsyoualittlebitmorefocusedwithwhatyou'redoingtoo.
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Speakingofwhenyousaid,youknow,ifyou'regonnagetalittletwo-seater,doyouhavesomethinginminduhthatyou'dwanttotobringintoyourgarage?
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Well,yeah,Ihaveyouknowthreeideasforafuncar,andthey'realldifferent,andIhavedifferentreasons.
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IIwouldlovetohaveaPorschePorscheBoxster.
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IIthinkthat'sjustafab.
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ItheneweroneshavekindofgottenbiggerandnotasIlike,Iwouldprobablygetanearlierboxer.
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Theotherone,I'vealwaysI'vealwayswantedtoownanalpha,andI'vealwayswantedtoownacardesignedbyPinandFarina.
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SoIwouldliketogetlikea90or91AlphaSpider.
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AndifIwantedsomethingnewer,Iwouldactually,IIreallyliketheFiat124.
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SortofuhtheMiata,butit'sit'sactuallythesuspension'ssetupdifferent.
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It'sgotadifferentengine.
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Itisamanual,anduh,youknow,it'sit'sprettybulletprooffromwhatIunderstand.
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Sothosewouldbe,youknow,ifIifIendupgettingafuncar,it'llbeoneofoneofthosethree.
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Iwouldnotdisagreewithanyofthosechoicesforsure.
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Butyeah,thatthankyouforforsharingyouryourdreamcaranduhyourthoughtprocessaboutthat.
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Uhyeah,I'mIkeep,likeIsaid,Ikeeptakingover.
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I'mgonnaletDougtalkalittlebit.
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Well,well,we'rewe'rebothsoenamoredtohavesomebodywiththislengthofexperience,sotospeak,andImeanthatinagoodway.
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Andsomebodywho'sdowntoearthaboutcarsandhaswrittenaboutthemfordecades.
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SoIdidwanttoask,uhsoyougottotestdrivealotofcars,right?
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Theyweren'tyours,buttheywereonlineformanufacturers,right?
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Ifyouhadtopickawork,let'sgowithworstcars.
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Whatwastheworstcarthatyoudrovethatyouwereloaned?
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Yeah,itwouldhavetobebackintheearly80s,83oldSierra.
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AndthereasonIsaythat,Iwasdrivingitandtheandthisistheearlydaysofelectronics.
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Therewas,andyouknow,wewediscussedthisbefore,youknow,backinthedaywhensomethingwouldHappenwiththecar,yougetout,youmightbeabletofiddlewithit,getitrunningagain.
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Thisthing,Ihadtocallandtheyhadtocomeandflatbeditout.
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Andtome,thatwassortofthelowpointoftheautoindustry,wasprobablytheearly80swhentheywerecomingtogripswithvehicleelectronics.
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Andanothercarofthaterathatwaskindofagreatideathatwaswayaheadofitstimeandjustdidn'tworkoutthatwellwastheV86wheretheywouldmechanicallydisablecylinders.
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Andthedrivabilityonthatcarwasabsolutelyhorrible.
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Becauseitwouldjust,itwouldtogglebackandforthfromfourtosixtoeightandback.
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Andso,buttheelectronicsgetbetter,youknow.
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It'slikeanytechnology,it'sallaboutthemath.
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Youknow,whenelectricpowersteeringfirstcameout,itwasawful.
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Nowadays,thesystemsaresoadvanced,it'sveryhard-pressed.
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Ifyouhadahydraulicoranelectuhelectricallyassistedpowersteering,thefeelisvirtuallythesame.
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AndsoIthinkcarshavegottensogood,it'sbeengetsdifficulttokindof,especiallywitheverydaycars,andwhat'sagoodcar.
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Andsowhenpeopleaskmethat,Iaskthem,whatareyouinterestedin?
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Andtheyhaveanideaofkindofwhatthey'retheytheylike.
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AndIthinkwhatthey'relookingforisconfirmationthatwhattheythey'rekindofemotionallyattachedtoisactuallyagoodrationalbuy.
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Andthat'sthat'skindofwherewearenowwithcars.
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Andthatumthatkindofbringsusintoyouryourwebsiteandyourblog,theTightwadGarage,whereyou'retakingtheideaoflookingat,youknow,kindoflikeyouwanttobeabletoownsomethingbutnotbreakthebank,right?
23:46
Iyeah,Ithinkaffordabilityis,youknow,thatwordhasjustkindofpoppeduprecently,butIthinkinuhinthecarmarket,Ithinkalotofpeoplehavebeenconcernedaboutaffordabilityforquitesometime.
23:57
And,youknow,carshavegottenmoreexpensive,they'vegottenmorecomplex.
24:01
Sothey'recertainlyalotmoresafe,andtheytheyhavesomanyreallygreatdriveraids,andbutthenthere'salotoftechnologythatjustdoesn'tmakesense,likealotofthesetouchscreens.
24:13
Youknow,there'snobuttons.
24:15
Andtome,that'sadistractionisbeingable,youknow,huntingforawaytolikeinaVolvo,youyouactuallyhavetogointoascreentoadjustyourmirrors.
24:24
Youshouldn'thavetodothat.
24:25
SowhenIkindofretiredfromKellyBlue,IworkedatKellyBlueBookforanumberofyears.
24:30
WhenIleftthere,Ihadtogetacar,andIthought,well,IIIwanttogetanelectriccar.
24:34
SoIboughtthisNissanLeaf,andum,Iwantedtogetthecheapestelectriccarpossible.
24:41
Uh,Igotthe$7,500taxuhuhuhcredit.
24:46
Igota$2,500uhCaliforniarebateandIgotcarpoolingstickersona$30,000car.
24:55
Soitwaskindofano-brainer.
24:57
AndIwroteabookuhcalledumuhHowtoBuyanAffordableElectricCar,youknow,anowner'sowner'sguidetoEVguidetoEVownership.
25:06
SofromthatTightwatchGuidetoEVownership,IdidTightwadGaragetopromotethebook.
25:12
Butmymythemeisthatyouknow,Ithinkcarsneedthereneedstobemoreaffordablealternativesoutthere.
25:17
Therearesomepeoplewhoaren'tinterestedinhavingnavigation-basedcruisecontrol.
25:23
Or,youknow,IIthinkthere'sroomforsimplecarsthatareaffordable,thatlookgood,andthatpeopleenjoydriving.
25:32
Tome,thedrivingexperienceisallthatcanmakeallthedifferenceintheworldisthatifyouifyouhaveresponsivesteeringandaandacarthatyoufeelconfidentinintermsofitsaccelerationandbraking,it'sawonderfulit'saandbutwe'restillkindofseeingtheEVmarketontheluxurysideofthings.
25:50
SowhereistheelectricalequivalentoflikethecivicoraMustang?
25:55
Whatwhyistheindustrystrugglingtobuildsuchlikeaneveryday,everyman'sEV?
26:01
Whyarewhyarewenotthereyet?
26:02
Well,uhbatterycost.
26:04
Imean,it'sjuststillnotatparity.
26:07
AndandtheexampleIuseislookatthedifferenceinpricingonaHyundaiKona.
26:12
Youcangetanall-gasone,youcangetahybridone,andyoucangetapureelectricone.
26:17
Thethecostdifferencebetweenthegasoneandelectriconeissomewhereintheneighborhoodofeighttotenthousanddollars.
26:24
Andthat'sallrelatedtothecostofthebattery.
26:27
Sountilbatteriesgetcheaper,you'renotgonnahave,youhavesomeaffordable,youknow,thereissomeaffordabilitybeingdrivenintothemarket.
26:34
ThenewNissanLeaf,forinstance,isat$30,000with300-milerange,isagood,isagoodoption.
26:40
There'salotofumbuzzaroundslate.
26:43
Youknow,they'retryingtobringinthisreallycheappickuptruck.
26:46
Um,youknow,andagain,theproblemhereisit'saverybasicvehicle,it'sgonnabeunder$30,000andallthat.
26:53
Butwhenyoulookatwhatyougetforthat$25,000to$27,000inabatteryelectric,youcanbuyaloadedFordMaverickhybridforthesamemoney.
27:04
Sountilthat,untilthatgapnarrows,you'rejustnotgonnaseeit.
27:10
You'regonnabepayingtodriveelectric.
27:12
Soit'sit'sgettingbetter.
27:14
IIthinkoneofthethingsthatdistortedthemarketwasthefactthatwehadsuchhighEPAstandardscoming,istheyweren'tnecessarilybendingthecostcurvedownonEVs,butbendingthecostcurveupongascarstogettheparity.
27:29
Andnowthatthat'snotthatmuchofanissue,you'regonnaseethatgapopenupagain.
27:33
Sopeoplearegonnahavetomakeaconsciouseffort.
27:36
Now,therearegreatreasonstoownanEV,andI'mI'mveryhappywithmyleaf.
27:40
Ionlyhave150-milerange,butittakescareofanywherefrom70to80percentofmyeverydaydrivingneeds.
27:46
Ipluginathome,Idon'thavetogetoilchanges.
27:50
It'saperfectlyfineautomobilefordrivingaroundtown.
27:53
ButifIwanttotakearoadtrip,that'swhywehavetheplug-inhybrid,youknow.
27:57
Sothethemark,youknow,thethingthatreallyranklesmeisthatalotofpeoplewerelookingatEVsastheanswerwhen,inessence,it'sgonnabealloftheabove.
28:08
There'sgonnabehybrids,there'sgonnabeplug-inhybrids,there'sgonnabeEVs,there'sgonnabegas,there'sgonnabedieselheavy-dutypickuptrucks.
28:16
Itjustdependsonwhatyouneedavehiclefor.
28:18
AndandthankGodwehavethisvarietyoftechnologythatcanbeappliedtowhateverspecificneedyouhave.
28:26
That'saverysolidpoint.
28:27
Yeah,sopivotingifwecan,andI'vebeenuhfollowingSlateaswell.
28:32
Soprettyinteresting,25grand.
28:35
YoukindofbuilditoutofLegos,sotospeak,youcanexpandit.
28:38
It'sreallyneat,neatvehicle,butartniche,right?
28:44
Wedidwanttotalktoyouaboutyourbooks.
28:46
Anduhyou'vewrittenuharecentbook,whichIhaverighthere.
28:50
Canyoutellusaboutthat?
28:52
Andthenmaybewetouchalittlebitaboutyouruhpastbooks.
28:56
Uhsoyouknow,AMGistheperformancedivisionofMercedes-Benz,butitdidn'tstartoutthatway.
29:03
Uhandit'safascinatingstorybecausethesetwoengineers,HansWernerOfrechtandErhardMelker,metatumMercedesininthe1960s,andtheydidn'tlikeeachotheratfirst.
29:16
Ofreckwasabenchtestengineer,andMelkerwasamechanicalengineerdesigningengines,andtheyhaddifferingopinionsonhowtogetdataandwhatyouknowwhattheyshouldbedoing.
29:28
Theywouldleavelittlelikenotesinlogbooks,youknow,kindofbeingsnippywitheachother.
29:33
ButthenMelkercameupwiththisumaggressivecamtuningononaparticularengine,andOffrickindoflookedatitandwent,Thisguy'sagenius.
29:45
AndIshouldbehisfriend.
29:47
Sotheytheyuhkindofformedthisallianceandtheybuiltthisracecarin1965,300uhuhuhSEMercedeswithasix-cylinderengine.
29:59
Theytookittotheirboss,uh,whowasumRudyUhlenhout,whorantheFormulaOneteaminthe50s,uhandbuthewasnowinchargeofproductdevelopment.
30:11
AndUhlenhoutwasmoreconcernedabouttheyweregettingoutofracingentirely,Mercedeswasatthatperiod,uh,becausetheyhadgottenbackintoitwithralliesandsomeothersomeotheruhtouringcar,morestock,showthemstockkindofstuff.
30:27
Andsincethatprogramwasover,theseguysshouldn'thavebeendoingwhattheyweredoing.
30:30
Sohetellsthem,hesaid,youcanracethecar,butifyoudon'twin,youknow,uhyoubetterpackupyourbagsandgosomewhereelse.
30:38
Theywonatouringcarchampionshipthatyear.
30:42
Theunfortunatepartaboutitisaguy,anotherMercedesemployeewhowastheirdriver,ManfredScheck,gotkilledinanotherinarally.
30:50
Hewasn'teveninracingintheseriesthattheseguyshadbuiltthecarfor.
30:53
Andtheboardcamedownoneverybodyandsaid,nomoreracing,we'redone,we'redone.
30:59
SouhthesetwoguysstartedbuildingracecarsforprivateersoutofOffrec'shouseininGrossOspodge,whichistheGinAMG.
31:09
ItwasOfrec,Melker,GrossOspaj.
31:12
Souhin1967,theybothleftAMGandformedorleftMercedesandformedAMG,andtheystartedbuildingracecars.
31:23
Well,thefactorykindoflookedatthemassortofshadetreemechanics,andyouknow,youguysaren't,youknow,Mercedesareperfect.
31:30
Howdareyoutunethem?
31:32
Andmeanwhile,thereweretunersallovertheplaceforBMWandOpalandFordCapriceandallthat.
31:38
Andandsotheseguyskindofwereflyingundertheradaruntil1971whentheybuilta300SELwithaV8engineinit,anditanditcameinfirstinclass,secondoverallatthe24hoursatSPA.
31:53
Anditputthemonthemapasasareallyseriousengineeringandtuningoutfit.
31:58
SotheirbusinessstartedtogrowandandMercedesstartedtakingnoticeofthem.
32:03
Inthe80s,theyintroducedthehammer,whichwasanE-classMercedeswithabigV8thatyouknoweverybodyintheU.S.
32:12
Andthenalsointhatperiod,theytookoveruhMercedesDTMraceeffortandwon.
32:18
Sotheytheyreallyearnedtheirstripes.
32:21
Andin1990,MercedesagreedtouhtohaveMercedesuhAMGpreparedcarssoldthroughthedealernetwork.
32:30
Andthenuhninenineyearslater,umuhMercedesacquired51%.
32:37
Andthenin2005,theyboughtitentirelyandtheyconverteditintoMercedesAMG,theperformancedivision.
32:44
Now,AMGisviewedinternally,everybodywouldthink,oh,youknow,BMW.
32:49
That'strueumononelevel,butonanotherlevel,in-house,theyviewittheirprimaryrivalisPorsche,becausePorschenowbuildssportscars,theybuildsedans,theybuildelectricvehicles,andtheybuildSUVs.
33:05
SosoAMGreallyhascomealongway,andanduhtheyofferabroadrangeofproducts,anduh,theycompeteatthehighestlevelsinmotorsport.
33:15
Soitwasreallyuhit'sit'sagreatstory,andsomegreatcarsthattheyhavebuiltovertheyearsanduhhadanopportunitytoprofilethem,thingsliketheBlackSeries,theGullwingSLSthattheydeveloped,andthenmostrecentlytheAMGone,whichactuallytooktheFormulaOneengineandputitintoaroadcar,whichisafascinatingstoryinitself.
33:35
Sothatbook,ifyouwanttolearnmore,youcanbuythatbookonAmazonoranyofyourfavoriteplaces.
33:42
Itwouldqualifyasagreatcoffeetablebook,Ithink.
33:45
Yeah,youknow,umthethegreatthingisthatMercedesuhopeneduptheirarchivestome.
33:52
AndIIwentdownIwentdownawormholefindingallthatstuff.
33:58
Imean,IspentdaysanddaysanddaysinthearchivesjustandumthepeopleatAMGinGermanyuhwerejustfabulousinintheaccessthattheygavemeandanduhthethephotoassetsthattheyhavearejustincredible.
34:13
Itwasitwasalotoffun.
34:15
It'sfunnyyoumentioneduhPorsche,becauseIthinkitwasumIwanttosayitwastheeightlate80s,therewasthe500EMercedes,andIthinktheyactuallyhadPorschedoingonit.
34:27
Thiswasrightaroundthetimeofthehammer.
34:30
Rightafterthehammer.
34:32
AndthentheytheyhadtheyhaduhPorschebuildthe500E.
34:37
Thenafterthatrun,that'skindofwhentheacquisitionforAMGhappened,andthenAMGstarteddoingthemotorsforthe500E.
34:47
AtthetimePorscheneededthemoney,sotheywerehappytodoit.
34:49
Iwouldsureyeah,they'regreat,theyweregreatfrenemiesforsure.
34:54
Otherbookshaveyoudone.
34:56
TheoneaboutChryslercaughtmyeye,butifyouwanttotalkaboutonethat'syourfavorite.
35:01
Well,thattheChrysleronewasreallyinteresting.
35:04
Uh,it'sactuallyuhIdidthatin2000anditwasaboutChryslerconceptcars.
35:09
Andinthe90s,Imean,the90sweresortofourfabulousfees.
35:14
Everybodywasdoingconceptcars.
35:16
AndoneofthemostprolificmakersofconceptcarsandsomeconceptsthatactuallybecameactualvehiclesliketheViperwasChrysler.
35:25
AndIhadgreatinterviewswithTomGaleandBobLutzandFrancoisCastang.
35:32
Andandsothisbookbasicallycoveredthe90sandalltheconceptcarsthattheyhadbuiltovertheyearsandthereasonswhytheydidit.
35:40
Becauseuh,youknow,theywerestillstruggling.
35:43
AnduhwhentheydidtheViper,itwasuhtwothingsaboutthatthatconceptcarwasone,ititshowedthattheytheyhadavisionfordoingreallyexcitingcars.
35:53
Butthesecondthingisthat'swhattheiruhengineeringteam,theyreorganizedthewaythattheydevelopedcarsandstartedwiththeViper.
36:02
Theystarteddoingtheteamapproachwhereitwasn'tsiloedwhereone,youknow,likedrivetrainwouldthrowitover,thebodyengineeringwouldthrowitover.
36:10
Theyputtogetheracross-functionalteamtodevelopvehicles.
36:14
Andsoitshowedthatconceptcarswereveryimportanttotheirtheirvehicledevelopmentprocessatthetime.
36:19
Andthatwasit,itwascalledModernChryslerconceptcars.
36:22
Andit'soutofprint,butyoucanyoucanstillfinditonAmazon.
36:26
Um,definitelygonnadigthatoneup.
36:28
AndIIthinkum,ifImay,Ithinkifmemoryserves,ChryslerhadacquiredLamborghiniaroundthetimeoftheViperdevelopment.
36:38
AndsotherewassomeYeah,yeah,withtheB10engineback.
36:42
TheyacquireduhLamborghiniinuh1987.
36:45
Yeah,andactuallythere'suhthere'saLamborghiniconceptcarcalledthePortofino.
36:51
AndthatisthefirstuhglimpseofcabforwarddesignthatuhTomGaleintroducedtouhthemainstreamChryslerproduct.
37:02
Sotherewastherewasyouknow,therewasatremendousamountofcrossfertilizationtherethatwasreallycool.
37:08
SoumandandalsouhkeepingitintheChryslerfamily.
37:12
Ididaabookonumthe100thanniversaryofDodge,talkedabouttheDodgebrothers,howtheystartedout,theywereactuallyabigsuppliertoFord.
37:20
Yeah,IIheardthatstory.
37:23
Yeah,andtheytheydecidedthat,well,sinceyouknow,andFordwaskindofgrindingthemdownonpricesandwasn'tpayingthem,youknow,andtheysaid,Well,whattheheck?
37:33
Whydon'twebuildourowncars?
37:34
Sotheytheywentintobusinessandverysuccessful.
37:38
Unfortunately,uhtheystartedtheircompanyandthenumtheDodgebrotherspassedaway.
37:43
Thefirstonediedin1920,andthentheotheronepassedaway,Idon'tknow,six,sevenyearslater.
37:48
AndthentheywereacquiredbyChryslerwhenwhenthatwasformed.
37:53
Well,thankyouforforyourwealthofknowledge.
37:56
Ican'twaittogetmyhandsonthesebooksandandtakesometimetoabsorbsomeofthestuffthatyoutookyourwonderfultimetokindofcompactintothesethesebooks.
38:06
Doyoudoyouhappentohavelinksforyourbooksonyourwebsite?
38:09
Onmywebsite,rightnowIonlyhavelinkstotheEVbookandtheumuhtheMercedesbook.
38:19
ButifyougotoAmazonandtypemynameinasanauthor,you'llseetheallthedifferentbooksthatI'vedoneI'vedone.
38:26
I'vedoneIdidabookonthe2005FordMustang,uh,IdidabookonCorvettes,IhadabookonAmericancars.
38:34
SoyoucanfindalotofthatstuffonAmazon.
38:37
Postlinksontheshownotestoallyourallyourcars.
38:41
AndcanyoutellusalittlebitaboutTegwagGarage?
38:43
BecauseIthinkthat'sprobablyyourongoingproject.
38:46
AndyoudoIthinkyoudocarititkeepsmyhandin.
38:50
IdoablogandIdocarreviews,offeralittlebitofadviceonshopping,carshopping.
38:55
So,youknow,umit'suhit'sit'sagreatwaytostayconnected.
39:00
Itgivesmeanopportunityuhtohaveanoutlet,uh,whichIneedalsototomaintainmymembershipontheCaroftheYearjuries.
39:08
Umyeah,youcanfindattightwodegarage.com
39:12
andthere'suhinterestinglittletidbitsonthere.
39:15
Yeah,Ithinkoneofmyfavoritestories,yougottadigit,it'sit'sbeenawhileago,anditwascalledBadassCars.
39:22
Anditwasactuallyaboutcarsthatreallyhadreallyterriblerearends,liketheHustlebackCadillac.
39:28
IhadtheuhJ30,whichwasuhInfinitybackintheday.
39:35
AndIthecurrentIonicuhsixtomeislikeyoulookatitandthebackendofthecarjustfallsawayandyoukindofgo,whereyouknow,inthereIhavealinethatgo,dude,where'stherestofmycar?
39:46
Yeah,it'suhthatwouldqualify.
39:48
Iuhyeah,there'ssomanyuhwasthebanglebanglebuttonthere,theBMW.
39:53
Yes,yeah,thebanglebuttwas740,yeah,whenthatcameinout,midtolate90s.
39:58
Yeah,Irememberthat.
40:01
Yeah,anduhyoudocarreviewsonthere.
40:03
IthinkIsawareviewofarecentGenesis,right?
40:07
Yeah,youknow,Ihadyouknow,it'snotjustallcheapcars.
40:09
IhadIhadauhGenesisG90BlackPrestige,andwhatacoolcar.
40:15
Imean,thisthingisisblack,black,black,black.
40:18
Andyougetinside,andtheinteriorhasgotblack,ash,openpourwood.
40:23
Theydoanicecombinationofofuhcapacitivetouchswitches,butalsotheyhaveredundantregularanalogswitches,andtheyevenhavearotarydialifyoulikethattoaccessstuffinthecenter.
40:37
Soitreallyoffersyoumanydifferentchoicestooperatethingsinthecarwithwhatevermakesyoucomfortable.
40:43
Andtome,thatkindofminimizesdistractionsbecauseyoucan,youknow,you'reabletodothat.
40:48
Andthecarisjustit'sonlyfourpassengers,it'sgotabackseatthat'syouknow,uhyou'dlovetobedrivenaroundin.
40:56
It'sjustreallyacoolcar.
40:57
Ireally,Ireallyenjoyeddrivingit.
40:59
ItwascalledBlackPrestige.
41:00
AndthelastcarthatIdrovethatkindofremindedmethatitwasbackinthe90s,IdroveauhBentleyMulsonthatwaslikethat.
41:10
Itjusttheylooksinister,youknow,andyouthinkthatwho'sinthatcar?
41:15
Youknow,it'sit'sit'sreallygreat.
41:17
Well,Iwanttojustsaythankyou,thankyouforbeinghere.
41:20
Aswewinddown,IhaveonemorequestionI'mjustdyingtoask.
41:25
Butuhyeah,asweheadtowardstheproverbialoff-ramp,you'vecoveredtheindustryfordecades,right?
41:32
You'vewrittenthehistoryofCorvette,Chrysler,allthosethings.
41:35
Ifyouwerewritingthehistoryofthiscurrentdecade,20yearsfromnow,whatwouldyouthinkthetitleofthebigbookwouldbe?
41:43
AndIandIthinkthat's,youknow,we'regonnalookbackatthisdecadeintermsofthetechnology.
41:50
IthinkweweregonnatrytobeleddowntheEVpathbypolicymakersandandmanufacturerswhohadnothing,theyhadnochoicebuttolistentothepolicymakers.
42:00
Andthepeopletheydidn'tlistentoweretheconsumers.
42:03
Andtheconsumerslovetheirpersonalmobility,theyloveaffordablecars,theylovegas,theyloveelectric,theylovehybrids,theyliketrucks,theylikeSUVs,andthere'sstill,youknow,four-doorsedans.
42:17
So,youknow,we'reatareallyrichperiodinautomotivehistorybecausefortheformostofmycareer,itwasjustgasenginesandthenmaybesomedieselstuffgoingon.
42:27
Butnowthepossibilitieshaveopeneduptowherewe'reseeingfuelcellvehicles,we'reseeingbatteryelectric,we'reseeinghybrid,we'reseeingrangeextendedelectricvehicles,whicharekindoflikediesellocomotives,whichhaveanenginethataredrivinganelectricmotor.
42:43
Wehaveothertechnologiesthatarethathaven'tyetcomequitecomeonstreamyet,likeaninternalcombustionofhydrogen.
42:50
SoIthinkit'sreallyanexcitingtime.
42:53
Youknow,thethelasttimethatwehadcompetingtechnologieswasbackatthebirthoftheindustrywhenitwaslikesteamandelectricandgas.
43:01
Anduhwe'rekindofbackthere.
43:03
AndI'mI'muhI'manalloftheaboveguy.
43:07
Ithinkit'suptopeopletodecidewhattechnologysuitstheirneeds.
43:11
Andthemanufacturersarecertainlydoingagoodjobinprovidingalotofchoices.
43:16
Imean,Iaperfectexample,thescout,whichIthinkisreallycool.
43:21
They'rebringingback.
43:21
It'skindofaretrothing,allthatotherstuff.
43:24
Itwasgonnabeallelectric.
43:26
Over70%oftheearlyordersarefortherangeextendedelectricvehicle,whichwillhaveagasengineinit.
43:32
Sothattellsyousomethingaboutwherewe'regonnabewithallthisstuffwhenitallsettlesout.
43:37
Well,that,andifyoulookatthemarketasitisasitisrightnow,thereisnoonesizefitsallsolutiontoeverythingbecausewehave,youknow,wehavejustsomanydifferentlifestylesthatpeoplearelookingat.
43:50
Thethethegasenginemightnotbefeasibleforsomeperson,ortheyouknow,theEVmightnotbesuitableforsomebodyelse.
43:56
SoIthinkwestillhavealotoflearningtodoandalotofdevelopment.
44:00
Developmenttodo,butit'sexcitingtoseethatkindofhappen.
44:03
ButIIIhatedthetalkoflike,oh,well,gasenginesaregoingtobedead.
44:07
Lookaroundforyou,likeifyoutakeadrive,I'vetakentwointhelastweek,twowork-relatedroadtrips,ifyouwill.
44:14
Andtheamountofgas-poweredvehiclesthatareontheroadisstillastronomicallydisproportionatetotheelectricvehicles.
44:21
Thereareelectricvehiclesandthere'shybridvehicles,butthere'snotas,youknow,likewewecan'tletitdierightyetbecauseyouknowtheworldwouldcomegrindingtoahalt.
44:31
That'sabsolutelyright.
44:32
Doug,anyanylastwords,sir?
44:34
SosomanyasauhfullEVowner,Iloveit.
44:38
It'sbeensointerestingtowatchtheindustrychangefromgastoeverything'sgoingelectric.
44:45
AndthenyouseetheFordLightning,right?
44:47
Andwhathappenedwiththat.
44:48
Andnowwherewe'regoingtouhEREV,astheysay,right?
44:53
AnduhIthinkthat'sprobablythebestcombination.
44:56
Plug-inhybridisthewaytogo.
44:58
Ilovethethefullself-drivingthatmycarhasgivenmeifsupervisedself-driving,andit'stakenawayalotofmyIdon'tknow,IwouldsayanxietyonlongtripswhereIdon'twanttogoonlongtrips.
45:09
SoI'vedriventoVermont.
45:11
Ididn'tdomostofthedriving,butbutthecarshavealsobecomeboringinthatwaytoo.
45:17
Soseeingseeingamix,especiallyforcarenthusiastsversussomebodywhojustwantsanAtoBcar,that'sfinetoo.
45:24
Wehaveeverythingexactly.
45:26
Soyeah,Matt,ititwasatruepleasuretalkingtoyou.
45:30
Thankyouforhavingmeon.
45:32
IIreallyappreciateit.
45:34
Andhopehopefullywecanhaveyouback.
45:36
AndIlovethetitle,theproposedbook,alloftheabove,becauseuhthat'sthat'swhereweare.
45:43
Younaileditforsure.
45:46
Allright,well,thankyou.
45:47
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