Corey Day's early struggles and growth at Richard Childress Racing are explored, highlighting his talent but lack of experience and the challenges of racing against teammates in a competitive environment. The episode discusses team dynamics, the importance of respect and etiquette on track, and how young drivers must learn to manage pressure and mistakes. Conversations with team leadership emphasize support for Corey while setting clear expectations for improvement. The episode also touches on other emerging drivers like Connor Zillich and the evolving culture within NASCAR teams.
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Dale Jr. starts us off with a conversation around the NOAPS driver making a lot of waves recently: Corey Day. He describes the conversation he had with the young racer, how the team dynamics work between JRM and Hendrick Motorsports, and what he sees happening moving forward with Day.
Next up, Denny Hamlin talks about the wreck he didn't realize he caused, which resulted in Connor Zilisch going for (another) spin in COTA's turn one. He goes on to praise the driver of the No. 88 and says SVG might not have it so easy on the road courses this year, thanks to his new teammate.
In another supercharged segment, Karsyn Elledge describes her point of view from the volatile CARS Tour victory lane. The short track racing world took notice of the moment and learned a valuable lesson: you DON'T mess with the Elledge sisters.
Over on Bless Your 'Hardt this week, Dale tells Amy the full story behind Isla saying her first cuss word — and how a small part of him felt so proud. This is a story you're going to want to catch.
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Drafting means driving closely behind another car to save gas or go faster by using less wind resistance.
Drafting is a technique used in racing and driving where a vehicle closely follows another to reduce air resistance and improve fuel efficiency or speed.
""He's got, he's got a lot of race car, that 17 car coming out of the Hendrick shop.""
A race car is a special car made to go fast and compete in races. It has parts and features that normal cars don't have.
A race car is a vehicle specially modified or built for competitive racing, often featuring enhanced performance, safety equipment, and aerodynamic components.
""that 17 car coming out of the Hendrick shop. We share all of our notes with them. Everything that we do well, they have, they know this information. They're a 15 of ours. They're crew chief, Adam.""
Hendrick Motorsports is a big racing team in NASCAR. They have several cars and share ideas to help all their teams do well.
Hendrick Motorsports is a prominent NASCAR racing team known for fielding multiple competitive cars, including the No. 17 car mentioned here. They are recognized for their collaborative approach and sharing technical information among their teams.
""They're a 15 of ours. They're crew chief, Adam. He used to work here as a crew chief. They're in our meetings.""
A crew chief is the boss of the pit crew in a race. They help decide how the car should be set up and talk to the driver during the race.
A crew chief is the leader of a racing team's pit crew and is responsible for race strategy, car setup, and communication with the driver during a race.
"They aren't in a cup team where Kyle Larson and Chase Elliott have to figure it out and get along because they're gonna be racing together for 10 years out of the same building."
The NASCAR Cup Series is the biggest and most famous car racing competition in the U.S., where the best drivers race special cars on different tracks.
The NASCAR Cup Series is the top racing series in NASCAR, featuring the best drivers and teams competing in stock car races across the United States.
"They don't. It's transactional. They get in the race car."
A transactional relationship means people work together just to get things done quickly, not to become friends or work together for a long time.
A transactional relationship in racing means drivers and teams interact mainly for short-term goals like winning races or contracts, without building long-term personal or professional bonds.
"They have no relationship to the car. They don't know where the spindles came from."
Spindles are parts that help the wheels turn and move up and down with the car's suspension, so the car can steer and drive smoothly.
Spindles are key suspension components that connect the wheel hubs to the suspension system, allowing the wheels to rotate and pivot for steering and handling.
"They don't know the history of the chassis. They don't know where it race last."
The chassis is like the car's skeleton that holds everything together and helps it stay strong and drive well.
The chassis is the main structural frame of a car to which all other components like the engine, suspension, and body are attached. It provides rigidity and determines the vehicle's overall strength and handling characteristics.
"we had a lot of conversations this week about expectations, etiquette, respect, you know, what should happen going forward,"
Driving etiquette means how drivers should behave nicely and safely when racing so nobody gets hurt or upset.
Driving etiquette refers to the unwritten rules and respectful behavior expected among drivers on the racetrack to ensure safety and fairness during competition.
"Have you seen the driving etiquette at all change now that we're in this new points structure"
Points structure is how racers earn points for finishing races, and these points decide who wins the championship.
A points structure is the system used in racing to award points to drivers based on their finishing positions or performance, which determines championship standings.
""When I went into drag racing, I was the class clown. They all thought I was a joke because of the way I had my car set up and the way we ran it, it was a joke, you know?""
Drag racing is a race where cars go really fast in a straight line over a short distance to see who is quickest. It's like a sprint but with cars.
Drag racing is a type of motor racing in which vehicles compete to be the fastest over a short, straight distance, typically a quarter-mile. It emphasizes acceleration and top speed in a straight line.
""And whether I'm in Arca, Trucker or O'Reilly's, their words on Facebook will not change the fact""
ARCA is a racing series where drivers compete in stock cars, often as a step before joining bigger NASCAR races.
ARCA (Automobile Racing Club of America) is a stock car racing series that serves as a developmental platform for drivers aiming to compete in NASCAR. It features races on various track types.
"I didn't realize in stock car racing, the Crown Vic stuff is great. Symmetrical load."
The Ford Crown Victoria is a big car often raced in certain types of car races. It has a balanced weight setup that changes how it drives on the track.
The Ford Crown Victoria is a full-size sedan commonly used in stock car racing, especially in lower-tier or regional series. It is known for its symmetrical load distribution which affects handling characteristics.
"Symmetrical load. But it's symmetrical load and it just doesn't teach you what you need in there."
Symmetrical load means the car's weight is spread out evenly, which changes how the car drives and turns.
Symmetrical load refers to the even distribution of weight across the car's chassis, which affects how the car handles and responds to driver inputs, especially in racing.
Wedge means changing how the car's weight sits when it turns, helping it stick better to the road.
Wedge in racing refers to the adjustment of the car's suspension to change weight distribution, typically to improve cornering by increasing grip on one side of the car.
"But NASCAR said I cannot run Talladega unless I go to Rockingham first and do well. So the plan is I run Rockingham. Don't do anything stupid."
Rockingham is a race track where drivers often race before moving on to bigger tracks.
Rockingham Speedway is a former NASCAR track in North Carolina, often used as a stepping stone for drivers before competing at larger venues like Talladega.
""And I get a rookie test. And then I'm gonna go to Rockingham, do the actual race. Is the rookie test at Rockingham? Yep. Yep. Do you know what that is?""
A rookie test is a special test new race drivers have to pass to show they can drive safely and well before they race for real. It's like a driving test but for racing.
A rookie test is a mandatory evaluation for new drivers or racers to demonstrate their skills and readiness before participating in official races. It ensures that rookies meet safety and competency standards required by the racing organization.
""...you need to hear it from them on like what the etiquette is and what they would expect.""
Track etiquette means knowing the right way to act when driving on a race track so everyone stays safe and has fun. It helps drivers avoid accidents and respect each other.
Track etiquette refers to the unwritten rules and expected behaviors drivers follow during racing or track events to ensure safety and fairness. It includes how to yield, pass, and communicate intentions to other drivers on the track.
""If you impede, even if you were just to impede somebody and cost them a position or something...""
Impeding means getting in the way of another driver and making them slower or lose their spot. It's not allowed because it can be unfair and cause crashes.
Impeding in racing means blocking or slowing down another driver, often costing them a position or lap time. It is generally considered poor sportsmanship and can lead to penalties.
""if it's very bottom dominant, which Rockingham typically is pretty bottom dominant, right? There's not a high groove.""
A bottom dominant track means the best way to drive fast is to stay close to the inside edge of the track when turning.
A bottom dominant track is a race track where the fastest racing line is near the inside or bottom edge of the track. Drivers tend to stay low through corners to maintain speed.
""which Rockingham typically is pretty bottom dominant, right? There's not a high groove.""
Rockingham is a race track in the UK where cars race around a circuit. Drivers usually stay near the inside edge to go fastest.
Rockingham Speedway is a motor racing circuit in the UK known for its oval and road course configurations. It is often described as bottom dominant due to the preferred racing line near the inside edge.
""There's not a high groove. So the guys is they're driving around the track and lead guys, they're trying to get into the corner and get right into the bottom groove.""
The racing groove is the best path to drive on a race track to go as fast as possible without slipping or slowing down.
The racing groove is the optimal path around a race track that offers the fastest lap times. It is often the line with the best grip and smoothest radius through corners.
""Understand the etiquette and the racing and get it home, bring it home.""
Racing etiquette is like good manners for race car drivers. It means being careful and respectful so everyone stays safe and has fun while racing.
Racing etiquette refers to the set of unwritten rules and behaviors that drivers follow to ensure safety, fairness, and respect during motorsport events. It includes things like signaling intentions, avoiding dangerous maneuvers, and respecting other competitors on track.
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Hey, let's talk about this.
Out of the way, here comes our day.
Courtney's, back at it again.
That's a great slogan.
All right, so, listen here, listen here.
All right, this is a very, very,
this is a very tough situation to be in for me.
I met with Corey and Daytona.
We talked about drafting.
I spent about an hour talking to him.
And he is a good dude.
Talented.
Very talented.
Very, very talented.
But he, Connor Zillich,
Connor Zillich was a little disappointed, I guess,
in his demeanor post-race, right?
And his, you know, Corey doesn't kind of know
exactly what to do in those moments
or doesn't seem to be interested in,
you know, owning his mistake.
You know, it's always, well, you know,
the splitter was this, the tire was flat,
this and that and other.
That's annoying.
Well, yeah, and so, and,
but, you know, I've, I want to say that I talked to Corey
for quite a while at Daytona.
He is a good guy.
And he is in, he's not in over his head,
but dude is drinking from a fire hose.
He's got, he's got a lot of race car,
that 17 car coming out of the Hendrick shop.
We share all of our notes with them.
Everything that we do well, they have,
they know this information.
They're a 15 of ours.
They're crew chief, Adam.
He used to work here as a crew chief.
They're in our meetings.
Corey Day was in our comp meeting yesterday.
Was your engineer at one point?
Yep, they're all, they're a 15.
They just happened to race out of the Hendrick building.
And that's the way I, it has to work.
That's the way Mr. Hendrick wants it to work.
Jeff Gordon, everybody that, you know,
we all want that, that 17 car is a teammate to us.
And we all, everybody except for the drivers
seem to get that idea.
And I say drivers because I've got a little story.
But before I get to that,
Corey has a ton of talent, as you mentioned.
He's got a lot of race car and he's got no experience.
And he's run a handful of races last year
and now his car is even better.
He's starting to run closer to the front.
And he's just in over his skis in a bunch of moments.
Did he wreck, did he go through that S,
do I think he didn't go through the S's and go,
man, I'm gonna just clean this one car out.
But he's in control of the car
and he has to realize that's my teammate.
That is a teammate car.
And Rick Hendrick owns the car I'm driving
and Rick Hendrick owns the car that I'm gonna spin out.
And he has to drive his car and control it
so that it doesn't cause that accident, right?
And that's what we're asking him to do.
Doesn't help, it was two weeks in a row.
That was the next thing I was gonna say.
It's two weeks in a row of kind of this,
it's two weeks in a row of the same thing.
And we all got together and we all sat down.
Rick had a conversation with Corey
and we're all trying to help him understand,
look, man, we want you here.
We believe in you, we believe you're a winner.
We wanna see you succeed.
But we have to do this without being detrimental
to each other.
And so it's just a process.
I know it looks ugly to fans who are watching it.
It's hard for our teams.
It's hard for all our employees to see our car
get run over like that with very little regard.
But it's part of the process of trying to school up
these guys to become the drivers
that we think they're capable of becoming.
And we just continue to press that
if you're making mistakes,
there are consequences to those,
very severe consequences.
Corey will have to fix this
or there will be severe consequences.
And I thought this was a great opportunity
that the message be shared amongst all of our drivers.
What Corey's doing is not new.
We've had teammate issues in the past.
We will have them in the future.
When you bring all of these young kids
into the same building,
they are all on different paths.
They are all eager to get that next opportunity.
They're all eager to get that call from Rick
or Trackhouse or somebody.
Many owner.
And they aren't looking at their teammate
in the car next to them as a long-term relationship.
They aren't in a cup team where
Kyle Larson and Chase Elliott have to figure it out
and get along because they're gonna be racing together
for 10 years out of the same building.
They're not in that situation.
They're here thinking in their mind,
well, if everything works out, I'm here for a year or two
and I'm gone.
And this guy that's my teammate,
I won't be teammates with him ever again.
And so they don't try the drivers themselves.
Do not try to nurture or create relationships
with their teammates.
They don't.
It's transactional.
They get in the race car.
They have no relationship to the car.
They don't know where the spindles came from.
They don't know the history of the chassis.
They don't know where it race last.
They don't know where the motor came from.
How many races is on that?
But they don't know who's s***.
When we used to, you know, 20 years ago, we knew all that.
Hell, we named our damn race cars.
They had, they had freaking personalities.
We had our favorites.
They don't even think about it.
And they go out there and they rip the sides off of them
and run into things, all of them.
And then they come back to the shop
and all of our guys unload them out of the holler
and it's a fricking just depressing.
So do you feel like after yesterday,
things will progress in a better way?
It is a, yes.
Things are, with everything that we said
and all the conversations that we had,
I 100% expect a clean slate.
I mean a clean slate.
Our drivers should have no animosity towards Corey.
Corey should look at this as an opportunity
to start anew and start to build a rapport
and a reputation that he wants to have.
And he's just learning how to handle these things.
I too think that, you know,
he comes from a completely different discipline
and that culture in the garage,
the mindset of a racer in the world that he's lived in,
it's completely different.
Not better or worse, just different.
And so he's coming here and having to learn like,
wow, okay, I got four guys out there
that I have to race uniquely, comparable to the competition.
You know, and so he's gotta have,
processing all this stuff for the first time in his life.
But I think that, you know,
a lot of hard conversations were had this week.
I expect things to improve.
And that, you know,
Corey Day isn't the only one on the racetrack
in our group making bad decisions.
So, you know, we had a lot of conversations this week
about expectations, etiquette, respect,
you know, what should happen going forward,
what can never happen going forward.
And again, not a new conversation we've been here before.
Hey guys, welcome to Axon's detrimental post-CODA.
Have you seen the driving etiquette at all change
now that we're in this new points structure
towards the end of these races?
It seemed calmer to me.
It seemed calmer to me.
I mean, short of the Zillich thing in turn one
that, news flash, I had no idea that I caused that.
Twitter did.
I had no idea.
I just barely got in the back of Byron, I think.
And then it ricocheted him, ricocheted him.
So I was that guy this weekend,
God, that sucks.
I really thought that I had a complete race
in the sense of like, I did from a lap time perspective.
My goal this race is like not,
if you look at the lap time graph,
my goal is to never not have any of these laps
that pop way up and then you lose eight to 10 positions.
You know what I mean?
I just, let's just like have a day
and no incidents, no contact, no nothing.
And I thought I did.
And then I see it at the end of the race
and I'm like, oh, like actually I was part
of that turn one thing.
So apologies to them.
Connor, holy crap, was he, did he have a legit shot
to win this race on speed?
I mean, he drove through the pack, right?
I don't know if he did or didn't.
But he just seemed like he was everywhere.
He did drive through the pack though.
He got wiped out twice.
What was the first time?
Suarez?
He had a weekend, Connor Zillich.
He did, he did.
That's actually top of the list, Zillich and Day.
We'll get to that.
But I think that SVG is about to have company
in the road course domination bracket.
It appears Zillich is really, really,
I mean, he's already got the race craft to pass
and make speed, he didn't qualify well,
didn't practice great.
I mean, he had good speed, but not great speed.
But as the weekend went on,
he just kept getting better and faster.
So I think that we're gonna be talking about him
for definitely a handful of races here.
We'll return left and right.
Yeah, Connor's one of these guys too
that he's buried in points in 30 seconds.
But I feel like in the first three races,
he's passed the eye test of what?
Yeah, no question about it.
I mean, Atlanta, he was a little aggressive
and whatnot, I get it.
He's wanting to just go right from the beginning.
But yeah, passing the eye test,
which that's why I think that whole,
you need three years, but it's such a shame.
That is a Ponzi scheme.
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Welcome back to Door Bumper Clear.
I am Freddie Kraft,
spotter for Bubble Wallace.
How are you, Carson?
Good, I'm good.
Had a pretty uneventful weekend.
Slow news week.
Yeah, slow news week in the car store.
Do we want to clear the air that we...
Did I hear you say my verse?
I'm sick of you.
No, well, it's time for you to have the...
No, no.
As you were flinging Barnsy at it away?
Yeah, well...
Poor Barnsy.
So, it actually was my sister
that you see in the video
that is slinging him backwards with Josh Cossack.
I was on the other side
when he went in the window
at first if they were gonna come up
and just have a little heated conversation
he's gonna get in the window
and say, hey, f*** you, man, whatever,
and walk away,
I was gonna give him the opportunity to do that.
But the second that his hands went in the window
and I'm like, all right.
So, I grab around his arm
and I muslim as hard as I can with my body
towards just away.
And then I see Kennedy
and she's standing there like this
and he falls into her arms and Josh's arms
and they just finished him the rest of the way off
and I think a lot of people thought
that Kennedy was me
because we do look alike
but the bad f*** that was yarding him backwards
was my sister.
I thought it was you.
Kennedy became the muppet now
so we're gonna have to thank Kennedy's picture.
Thank God I'm gonna get replaced.
And I do wanna be clear
that was, you would have done that
for whoever won the race.
That's the other thing is
while, yes, it was in a JRM car
in Victory Lane, that would have.
All right, next, next.
I would have had to do that
no matter who it was, so.
I mean, that's your victory lane there, f***, man.
That is, that's what I'm saying.
That's the one thing, like, she runs it.
Like, this is my s***.
I know, I know.
And like, it's crazy the list of things
that have happened to me
since managing Victory Lane.
I've gotten ran over by Spencer Davis.
I've taken a champagne court to the eye.
Thank you, TJ.
I got thrown up on by a child.
I've poured water down Caden Cooper's back wall.
He said, no, I guess.
I think that was one of Kindle Cellar's kids, maybe.
And then I think, and then now we've gotten in a fight.
So it's, yeah.
It's a never, never a dull moment at the car store.
I appreciate all the advice you've been giving me, too.
I'm always open to helping you, man.
I mean, you're a good guy.
I want you to have a great experience.
I think you're genuine at heart,
and I think you really do, you know,
want some, want feedback and helpful information.
Anytime I've been critical,
you text me and say, hey, man,
I saw your thing and I appreciate the stuff.
You know, I saw what you said
and I appreciate what you said.
You know, sometimes people don't take that stuff very well.
You know, some drivers don't know how to,
some drivers don't know how to hear criticism or.
Yeah.
It's one of those things, you know,
I think being a YouTuber for so long,
like I've just, I've had everything in the world
said about me, you know.
And I expect way more.
When I went into drag racing, I was the class clown.
They all thought I was a joke
because of the way I had my car set up
and the way we ran it, it was a joke, you know?
And I think right now, I'm the rookie
and people can say whatever they want,
but when I keep coming back every time
and they realize that their words don't affect me,
time and time again, they're gonna run out of breath.
Because as long as I'm having fun,
I'm gonna keep showing up at these NASCAR races.
And whether I'm in Arca, Trucker or O'Reilly's,
their words on Facebook will not change the fact
that I'm gonna come back and try again
as long as I'm having fun.
I love that.
I feel like, I feel like that everybody can get behind
the idea of partnering up with RCR
because of the tools and the help
that they'll give you to get better.
I think everybody can get behind the idea
of you getting a late model and just,
even if you're just racing laps at your own track
on a Tuesday afternoon, just getting laps, right?
Buy four sets of tires, go out there
and spend four hours by yourself.
It don't matter.
I think when people see that
and then you run into Archibald.
Just a little bit of work.
That's all I think they need to see.
And I think to your point too,
it's like for me, getting a sponsor is,
a lot of guys have to rely on their driving skills
to get sponsorships.
And for me, I'm relying on something else.
So to have this ticket in with no driver skills show up
and just do stupid stuff,
I absolutely understand the criticism
and that's why I'm hoping to do exactly
what you said I should do
and then understand that wedge a little more.
I didn't realize in stock car racing,
the Crown Vic stuff is great.
Symmetrical load.
But it's symmetrical load
and it just doesn't teach you what you need in there.
The wedge is, that's what I got humbled by.
Well, I look forward to seeing what you do this year, man,
and talking to you over the course of the process.
And I appreciate you coming today.
So do you know what the races you're running?
Can you tell us what race you're running?
Yeah, okay.
So this is actually something I meant to talk about.
So I had, we intended to run the super speedways.
Because I told them that's what I want to do.
I love the super speedways.
But NASCAR said I cannot run Talladega
unless I go to Rockingham first and do well.
So the plan is I run Rockingham.
Don't do anything stupid.
That's soon.
That's soon.
And I get a rookie test.
And then I'm gonna go to Rockingham, do the actual race.
Is the rookie test at Rockingham?
Yep.
Yep.
Do you know what that is?
I do.
Can't tell me.
Do you want to go?
I don't want to say it on here, but.
Okay, let's not.
Yeah, you can tell me later.
Okay.
Just so it's, you know.
Yeah.
We're not being filmed.
I don't want to be, yeah, I don't want everybody
to show up.
I just don't want any pressure that day.
I know, yeah.
But if you want to go, that'd be great.
I love that.
Dude, you're like, that's what people want to see
is that you're like self-aware about,
you know, man, hey, I want to go there.
I don't want any pressure.
I just want to focus on this.
I want to do this right now.
That's all I want to do.
I like, I have to almost take off my YouTuber hat
when I get in these cars,
which is not the usual case.
In the drag cars, I can stay a YouTuber.
I can stay Cletus.
When I get in these damn NASCARs,
I got to start taking that hat off.
But all right, so you run to Rockingham?
Do Rockingham.
If everything goes well?
Yeah, then it's in NASCAR's hands to.
Oh, just Rockingham.
And if you do well,
that might clear you for Talladega.
For Talladega, that's the goal.
I would love to run this Talladega.
I love Talladega, it's so wide.
I mean.
Yeah, let me tell you something.
They'll be judging you about how.
I'd like to know this.
So there is a chance
that you will be passed by the leaders.
Correct.
At Rockingham.
Good chance.
You will be judged by how well
you get out of their way.
That will be a thing that people will pay attention to.
And so I would have conversations with RCR
about what the etiquette is,
what they would expect in certain situations.
And do your best in those moments.
Again, it's like, damn,
I don't want to give up a ton of lap time here.
But dude, just do what you need to do
to make it easier for those guys
when they're trying to go by in that moment.
Just, just.
And that's a stay bottom.
To have conversations with RCR.
Slow down here.
I'm not gonna tell you.
That's for the.
That's a good point.
That's for the team to tell you.
That's probably gonna be their cars
and your cars coming around.
They need to tell you
and you need to hear it from them
on like what the etiquette is
and what they would expect.
And I would, you know,
that will be a moment
where it could go really good or really bad, right?
If you impede,
even if you were just to impede somebody
and cost them a position or something, right?
I mean, that's gonna,
people are gonna latch onto that, right?
So like, you know, I will give you some advice
on I won't tell you what RCR is gonna tell you to do.
But like, if a guy's trying,
if you, if it's very bottom dominant,
which Rockingham typically is pretty bottom dominant, right?
There's not a high groove.
So the guys is they're driving around the track
and lead guys, they're trying to get into the corner
and get right into the bottom groove.
And if one of them's coming by you on the outside,
don't drive into the corner with them
and not allow them to get that bottom.
Like just lift that car length earlier
to let them clear in in front of you, right?
If you go into the corner
and make them work the corner outside the groove,
they're a little annoyed by that.
So just silly little nuances like that.
Don't worry about it today,
but have a conversation with RCR
and they'll give you the tools and information
to be like, oh, man, when leaders come,
there's a couple of things they like.
This is a couple of things
that I probably would be paying attention to.
And it's less like the more you can make it a non-issue,
the better, right?
The in that moment be the non-story, right?
I like that.
As the lapper, as those guys are coming by
and they're racing side by side and stuff,
you want to be, you want nothing to do with it.
Yeah, you just wanna be a blur on the screen.
That's right.
And that could happen in parts of the race
and that's fine, you know?
I got lapped in all my first races.
I went to Daytona in Talladega
and wrecked out of the first five times I ran there
before it actually started like clicking.
I wrecked at Daytona, Talladega, Daytona, Talladega,
Daytona, Talladega over and over and over
before it finally started like making sense.
So I mean, it's that kind of thing
where like when you're running that race
and you're sitting there going,
I'm 25th or whatever and I'm not fast.
Here comes the leaders, it's hurting my pride, you know?
You just gotta kind of stay the course.
It's a humbling, it's going to be humbling
and just don't worry too much about that.
People are going, you're gonna,
you're going to make yourself
and a lot of people happy if you bring that car
to Pit Road in one piece when the checker flag is over.
That's all you gotta worry about.
I do feel really, really good
about the pressure side of things.
I'm not gonna feel bad if I'm 30th.
Nobody's gonna care.
And RCR, and I'm not saying page,
Tommy's Express, we told them this is gonna be,
you know, a total learning thing.
And like they were on board with the fact
that I'm getting this opportunity to learn
and they know, you know, winter circles.
No one is going to care where you finish.
It ain't about a performance thing.
Can he get out there?
That's the goal.
Understand the etiquette and the racing
and get it home, bring it home.
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me and Ila are horse playing
and Ila likes to try to like swing
and gymnastics kick me in the butt.
Like that's her thing.
And she says, I'm gonna kick you in the ass.
That's what she said.
So I wasn't in the room, but I heard she said a cuss word
and nobody would repeat it.
So I didn't know what she said.
She said, oh my God, not Ila too.
We're doing something wrong.
I was learning this for the first time.
And I said, Ila, I go, Ila, do you know that's a bad word?
She goes, yeah, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I said, she goes, it just came out.
It just came out.
I said, where'd you hear that?
She goes from you.
And I was like, yep, valid.
Oh man, no wonder nobody would tell me what was said.
And I told her, I don't think we were,
but you didn't seem like you wanted to know.
You were kind of like, I...
Well, cause you seemed like you had it handled
and I didn't want to make it a bigger deal.
But I asked her later what it was she said
and she was like, nothing, don't worry about it.
I was like, Ila, that's one of them words
you can't say again until you're older.
So just go to put it away.
So she's like, all right, but what are you gonna do?
Well, Nicole, same day, ask April,
when they were getting ready for valet,
she goes, can I say what the hell?
Yes.
Yeah.
What was going on in the living room that day?
I don't know.
We're in trouble.
Yeah.
So when me and Amy decided we're gonna have kids
and we went through probably the first three
or four years super strict with ourselves about our language.
Yes.
And I feel like in the past...
And that took some real work.
It did.
I think in the past two years, I don't know about Amy,
but I've...
Gotten tired.
Gotten loose about it.
You know, and there'll be...
Like I'm in a conversation with somebody on the phone
in the truck and they might say something
accidentally not knowing I'm on the phone,
you know, not knowing...
His whole family's in the car.
Or I'll say something accidentally on,
and I'll hang the phone up
and I'll say,
Ayla, did you hear a bad word?
And she might say, no.
I'm like, all right.
Cause there was a bad word in a song the other day
that me and Amy were listening to.
And I said, Ayla, did you hear a bad word?
She goes, no.
It's a Taylor Swift song.
Cause she likes to listen to on her own.
She sings along,
but she doesn't know there's a bad word in there.
But sometimes I'll ask her, I'll say,
and she'll say, yes.
Yes, I heard a bad word.
I'm like, okay.
Well, you know, you ain't supposed to,
you know, we just had a little conversation.
I don't know if it...
What it amounts to.
She needs to know that it's bad at least.
And if she wants to get herself in trouble
by using it, then that's her choice.
But...
I feel like they innately know bad words or bad words.
I always felt like I did too.
Like I would hear a bad word, a cuss word
when I was a kid,
and I didn't know immediately that that was a cuss word.
And I was never saying it, you know what I mean?
It was like...
Like that sounds too sharp.
That sounds like it's rough.
Like what are you...
Like the F word, that was like super taboo.
We don't say that.
When I was a kid, kid.
I remember, so I don't remember my dad cussing too much.
He said, quite a bit or damn.
We heard F all the time from dad and his friends.
Really?
Yes, like Rusty Wallace says the F word every three words.
That's how you used to be.
Yes.
Dad used to say, what the buck?
Really?
Yes, son of a buck.
That's how you say son of a buck.
Well, but nobody says son of a...
I know it was for son of a...
Oh, oh.
But he didn't say any of that stuff around the son of a buck.
And he would say it was such a...
I don't say the B word because I feel like women don't like it.
You're in a house of b***hs, you better not be bad for you.
Yeah, but I wouldn't even say it, not referencing a woman.
It doesn't matter, all of us would go, excuse me?
Like damn, that's a B.
I don't even say it like in general.
Because I feel like when a woman hears it, do they go, what?
What?
Does it hit you wrong, even when it's used out of context?
Like something being a b***h, like damn, that was a b***h.
If you and I were talking up to each other, no, but...
What's the equivalent, the male equivalent to the B word?
To the B word?
Man, my granny's gonna kill my...
Oh, why are you trying to bait me?
You're tearing me up for trouble.
You women don't use it.
We do it when we're talking about you behind your back.
Really?
Or when I'm like in the pantry just going, oh.
She's just saying.
In the pantry?
Wherever I'm hiding.
Do you ever muggle under your breath?
Of course I do, of course I do.
Of course I do, and of course you do.
I mean, I ain't gonna lie through my teeth and say no.
Of course I do, better than doing it to your face.
You and I would be like, oh really?
And there would be like the clash of the titans
just one up at each other.
That would be bad.
Well, yeah.
But...
I was center first cuss word.
I was proud.
A little tiny part of me was proud.
Because it was you that shared it.
I was.
Plus it was a delivery of it.
Like the way she delivered it.
But you have to be proud of that.
A kick you in the ass.
Well they were fighting, I'm gonna kick you in the ass.
I mean that's kind of cute.
I wouldn't mind.
I don't know why from her, cause she's so sweet.
It seems like, oh that's cute.
Versus Nicole saying it feels like it's too intentional.
There's certainly some words I would be angry
if she said them and how she said them.
But in the context and the moment, it was just funny.
But I didn't let off too much.
I didn't say, hey I'm proud of you.
I didn't say anything like that.
That's good for you.
I was like, that's a bad one, tuck that one away.
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