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The Magic Behind Dale Sr.'s Speed & Gus vs. The Snow

The Magic Behind Dale Sr.'s Speed & Gus vs. The Snow

The Dale Jr. Download Feb 06, 2026 30 min
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Marcus Smith, president of Speedway Motorsports, joins Kelli Miller to explain why Charlotte Motor Speedway is switching back to the oval in October—citing fan feedback, playoff/points strategy, and the need for more consistently exciting racing under the current NASCAR package. They discuss operational benefits (especially camping) and how the Roval will still be used for other driving experiences. The show also pivots to “Snowmageddon” stories, including Gus the dog getting stuck in ice and endless midnight demands. Later, Danny Lawrence shares classic NASCAR-era garage “magic” stories, including Dale Sr.’s rule-bending reputation and a valence-measuring anecdote.

Topics: charlotte motor speedway oval vs roval fan influence on nascar schedule decisions playoff points strategy and road course risk camping and event operations snowstorm home life and dog antics battling ice and midnight routines nascar garage ingenuity stories dale sr valence measurement anecdote crew chief danny lawrence insights
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Hey everyone, it's Kelli Arnhart Miller here
and welcome into the Arby's studio
for another episode of the Dell Jr. Download.
I won't be by myself though.
In just a couple of minutes, Marcus Smith,
the president of Speedway Motorsports will be joining.
And for a big announcement, although I'm sure
a few of you could be guessing what that is.
So enough about that, let's bring Marcus in.
You know, first things first.
And I'm super curious about this from a team owner standpoint
because when they announced or, you know,
announcing the change with the Roval, you know,
that's a race that a lot of times we'll run our fifth car
and we'll have a road course ringer as they call them, right?
And a sponsorship or something that comes together
because somebody says, I wanna run a road course.
And so with that news coming at this point in the year,
what is that like?
Like, you know, what brought that on?
What's the timeframe?
How does that come together like that?
That's a great question.
So we, I don't know, I hadn't been thinking about it.
I was thinking about lots of other things in our business.
Going into January and coming out of December,
but the Charlotte team was having a strategic meeting.
They were just kind of talking about your planning
and Jessica Fickenshire said...
Smart lady.
She's smart, she's smart.
She said, what do you think about going back
to the oval in October?
And of course, it's not the first time I've heard that
because Dale has said it many times.
And, you know, but when Jessica said it
and kind of in the context of the whole group,
I said, well, what do y'all think?
Is it, what do the fans think?
And they said, you know, when you think about the point system,
kind of going back to the chase
and that story of kind of going back to the way we were,
the last time the chase was at Charlotte,
it was the oval for the Coke 600
and the oval for the Bank of America 400.
So I said, if you guys think that fans will like this
and it'll be the best thing, certainly the racing is good.
Dale will say, I told you so and, you know,
we'll all have fun.
And so that was kind of how it happened.
And so then we made a few phone calls to NASCAR
and our TV partners and of course,
Bank of America's sponsor and everybody thought
it was a good thing if the fans were into it.
How much influence does the TV partner matter?
And the process with NASCAR, just, you know,
being a decision that you can make within a month's time
from a strategic meeting that you guys have
in terms of all of your conversation
and then the other people that you have to talk with.
You know, what I think is neat is that
all of those parties care about what the fans think.
And I think just the timing was such that, you know,
back when we introduced the roval,
it was at a time when road courses
were having this amazing surge.
Fans were saying, boy, we love road courses.
They kind of race like a short track.
And so we brought out the roval
and it provided another road course in the schedule,
a road course in the playoffs
and it made for something new and different.
So it was one of the highest rated races in TV
for a couple of years.
Great growth and great excitement
and, you know, some great highlights from the race.
But I think the new car and the way NASCAR officiates,
the racing hasn't been as exciting as it had been initially.
So, you know, we want to deliver excitement.
We want to deliver, you know, a great event
that has fantastic competition
and those amazing highlight worthy moments in racing.
So all those people, whether it's, you know,
NBC or NASCAR sponsors, Bank of America and others,
I think we're all in it together to make, you know,
great competition happen and see the fans happy.
Well, yeah, you obviously, you know,
wouldn't make a change unless you thought
that good could come out of it, right?
Dale, I can't talk from the perspective of running the Roval
or running, you know, the Oval, Roval and Oval.
I know that if he were in the seat,
he definitely would have a lot of comments about,
but have you had driver feedback, you know,
as it relates to?
The best driver feedback I had was from Dale.
He said, if you start listening to me,
you'd make this decision two years ago.
So, yeah, I did laugh about that too.
That's funny.
Well, most of the time,
sometimes the only feedback that matters is Dale, right?
So what's the process like for your team, you know,
to not the physical process,
because I would imagine that there's gonna be a little lighter
that you don't have to configure the road course, right?
So it's gonna be lighter.
But what's the whole process like?
Does it change things for you as it relates to, you know,
sponsorship, the amount of people,
I imagine there's more camping spots available
so you can use everything and things like that.
Probably the biggest thing is camping.
I think, you know, that's gonna be a big thing for fans
to be able to camp again on that turn one and two side
of the oval.
So that's really the biggest thing.
And of course, the work that goes into converting
Charlotte Motor Speedway from oval to roval is tremendous.
So our operations team just got, you know,
a huge relief.
So it'll be kind of neat.
And I think, you know, the racing in May
for the 600 has been fantastic.
Bringing that to the fall will be, you know,
I think fantastic again,
and it'll be neat to see how the teams react to that,
you know, from the spring to the fall.
And, you know, certainly should be exciting.
Super cool.
It is gonna be exciting.
You know, I do think with the point system,
the way it is, you know,
road courses present a challenge
for a lot of the drivers, right?
And lots can happen.
There's a lot of beating and banging and moving around.
So that strategy for teams and drivers
should look a lot different, you know?
You know, I think you mentioned as a team owner,
kind of the factors that you all think about
and should go in from season to season.
From my perspective as a promoter
and as a fan of NASCAR,
throwing a wrench in the system sometimes
actually produces some excitement.
So if this, you know, creates a little bit more excitement,
creates a challenge that needs to be solved
for some of the teams,
I think that generally works out pretty good
for the fans and it makes some excitement happen
for the teams and it should be pretty interesting to see.
Yeah, very exciting.
All right, what about, you know,
what can we expect in terms of the stability
of the Oval versus the Roval?
Is that something you're gonna look at year to year?
Is, you know, what's the-
You know, I think after reviving North Wilkesboro Speedway,
there's nothing that's not doable.
I thought you'd never get that Speedway,
you know, to actually operate again.
So we've got a wonderful racetrack
in the classic Oval at Charlotte Motor Speedway.
We've got a fantastic world-class road course with the Roval
and we'll bring that back at different times,
but for now we're gonna be running the Oval
and we'll see what happens.
Well, you know, the cool thing is,
is I think the adaptability is great, right?
Because you can react to what's going on in the market,
what fans are asking for, you know,
what the entire lineup of the series looks like,
track to track and you prove that already with the Roval.
So the Oval it is, here we go.
That's right.
I love driving the Roval, you know,
from a sports car perspective, it's super fun to drive
and we've got a lot of customers that like to drive it.
So outside of NASCAR week,
we'll still have plenty of opportunities
for our different driving experiences
and OEM customers to come out and enjoy the Roval.
Very cool.
You know, we did the Dell Junior Rattalongs
for a lot of years at the Speedway until the Roval came.
Yeah, yeah.
And then that was, you know,
that presented a bit of a challenge,
not that people wouldn't have liked the Roval,
but as you know, what Dell Junior's temperature
was on road courses.
And so we've pivoted, we've done it at North Wiltsboro
and so maybe we can get back to Charlotte.
It was a fun weekend to provide for fans
that did the Rattalongs with the Hall of Fame being here
and we could just have a, you know, a weekend
of all things taken in the races at the Speedway
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All right, so...
Snowmageddon, let's talk about the snow for a second
and the amount of time these kids are out of school.
Ma'am, I noticed that it's been very...
It's been stressful.
Stressful for you?
It's almost giving me like COVID vibes in the house.
You know, like we're on lockdown, can't go anywhere.
I love it.
I know you love it.
You got your chef, your toys and your hobbies
and all the things and you don't have anybody bothering you.
It's like your favorite thing, but I need people.
Like I need energy from other people.
Adult energy.
And it's stuck in the house with, you know,
everybody needing things from me is just, it's a lot.
I'm not the only one that feels that way.
Some of the other moms that have literally,
their kids have not gone back to school yet
are about to lose it, like truly lose their minds.
Yes, because doing the school and all the things virtually
when you don't know how to do common core math
or like all the things that the kids have to do,
it's a lot, it's a lot on your mind.
You don't even know what I'm talking about, do you?
I don't, I mean, I'm sorry.
I don't, I'm thinking, man, the kids are home,
we get to hug on them all day.
Yeah, I mean, that part is good.
And I like the snuggles and not having to pack lunches.
I know there are a couple little things that are great.
I know they're going to go back.
And I know that, you know,
things are going to go back to normal
and it is never going to snow like this again, ever.
I mean, you know, most likely,
this is the most snow that I remember ever getting
in the, you know, 40 years I can really recall.
Yeah.
Um, I mean, you know, we would have, you know,
we would have two or three snows in the winter
that were two to three, maybe four inches at the most
back in the eighties.
And then it kind of trailed off to maybe one snow a year
or a little, you know, a little dusting.
That was crazy.
It wasn't expected to have the weather.
It was awesome.
It was very magical and the girls playing in,
it was a lot of fun getting them dressed.
I didn't even mind that part,
just the taking the clothes on and off,
getting the boots, like we got the order down.
I think the way you feel is how I feel about the dog.
What?
Gus has been, Gus has been next level annoying.
Cause he, so, and I'm sorry,
this is bothering some of your animal dog lovers.
I've got a dog, I'm a dog lover,
but I don't love the way he's been acting.
We, he too feels trapped.
He's like, I want to go outside.
I want to drink out of the fountain.
That's not frozen over.
That's his, he thinks that's his water bowl, truly.
So he goes outside and he's like,
this is the experience with Gus.
All right.
So usually Gus is happy, calm, laying around,
napping all day.
And he gets excited when he wants to go outside
and he hops around the floor and that's the cue.
I want to go out and he's thrilled.
You know, go over the door, open it up, it goes outside
and he's going to come back to the door
in about 10 or 15 minutes and he'll bark.
He might lay down on the porch for a while
and chill and look out and he'll start barking.
He'll just, you'll just hear him, brr, brr.
And that's come get me, let me back in.
No problem.
He's going to want to go do this again,
maybe an hour or two later.
And that's sort of the pattern
and that's what we've done for, for a long time.
But during the snow, so we got the ice first, right?
We had that ice storm.
Gus is getting old and he's got arthritis in his hips
and he's got a bunch of fatty growths and all this stuff.
And he's just, he has a harder time.
He jumps up on the couch.
It's not as easy as it used to be.
Sometimes he licks his, sometimes he's straight.
When he lays around for a while and he gets up,
it's a while before he can get moving.
So he kind of, you know, if he lays down,
like all of us at our age, if he lays down,
when you get up, you're sore, you know,
from sitting in the same spot for five minutes.
And so, but, so we get the ice storm.
He goes outside and his feet bust through the ice.
He gets 15 yards from the house
and his feet bust through the ice.
And he's like, I'm stuck.
Yeah. Hey.
He goes kind of talk and just starts talking and won't move.
Yeah. He won't move.
He's 15 feet from the door and his feet have just fell
through the two inches of ice.
And he's like, come get me.
I'm stuck.
And that's literally it.
And, and so.
Dale's like, I think something's wrong with the dog
because he's walking around out there.
Like he's basically sliding, but he's hunched over.
Like he won't stand up straight all the way.
Walks so funny on the ice.
Like, I don't, I think that's his arthritis
or maybe he's, I think he's going to the bathroom
and he's not. I don't know.
What did he get into?
What'd you feed him through the mountain of things
other than it's just ice?
If we don't take him out before bedtime,
he gets us up at four, two, one, three in the morning.
He gets up and maybe you might take him down some,
but most time I'm taking him down and I go down there.
Let him out.
I'm in my damn underwear.
You know, and I let him out.
We didn't do that.
Huh? I'm sorry.
We didn't need that.
It's hard to catch what you're saying.
I'm just letting you know that I'm not ready to walk outside.
He's not prepared for what I was about to ensue.
He goes out in the yard, falls through the ice
and he's like, all right, come get me.
And I'm like, all right.
So I go put on pants, put on a jacket, go outside
and I go to him.
And as soon as I go to him, he starts growling at me.
Like, am I helping you?
You don't want to help.
What's the damn deal?
You gonna growl at me?
I'm out here, 15 degrees outside.
I'm here to carry your ass, your 80 pound ass inside
and you're growling.
And so, and I'll take him back inside.
So that's what happens in the middle of the night.
What happens during the day is he wants to go outside.
You take him outside, he stands on the porch.
He goes, it's cold.
Let me back in.
So he starts barking at the door.
You let him back in, five minutes goes by
and he has completely forgotten about that
and he wants to go back outside.
He's restless as well.
And he goes back outside and he's like, holy shit,
it's cold out here.
Let me back in and he walks back in
and then five minutes later, he's forgotten about that.
And it's like this constant like, he's like,
let me out, let me out, let me out.
And you're like, we just let you out.
Like, what are you doing?
You're going out there, you're using the bathroom at all?
I think he wants you to come out with him.
So he's like, when it's warmer,
he and I go out for a walk.
Well, we haven't been doing that.
And so he's like getting all excited
because he wants you to come outside with him.
When you close the door and he's like,
oh, damn, I don't want to be out here by myself.
I don't entertain that idea
because I've never ever gonna be,
I'm taking the dog for a walk.
I didn't, I don't, I, I, I, I,
we live on a farm.
My dog takes his own ass for a walk.
I don't live in the city.
I'm not walking my dog down the road
to get his legs stretched.
If his ass needs to go outside,
he can take his own ass for a walk.
We got 300 acres, be my guest, wear yourself out.
But this like, oh, we got to take him for a lap.
So his anxiety calms down.
That's, that's, I like, I have a hard time with that.
You are that.
I am that.
You are just like that.
I don't need you to take me for a walk around the property.
No, but you need me to lay on the couch with you
so you can recharge, as you say.
What's the damn difference?
Nothing.
I don't know.
He's used to that.
We walk together, we get the energy out.
He has not been able to do that.
That's why he's bothering you.
But also he doesn't growl at me.
Like if I go outside with the dog
or if I go lay on him on the couch,
he doesn't growl at me, not ever.
He only does that to Dale.
I don't know what that is.
They have like this weird relationship, but.
Yeah, or dudes.
Maybe you could have like cleared a path for him
where like he gets some grass to, you know.
We did that.
Yeah, I laid it.
So when the ice storm was coming, preemptively,
I laid out all of the felt blankets
and different blankets like I have in the dog room.
Down the stairs, across the path, into the grass.
So like he had his own little section
that was not going to get iced.
And he would walk over the ice to the,
he was always going towards that fountain.
But anyway, he's, he's just spoiled.
He's got all those things.
He just wants attention.
I haven't had to go outside to pick him up
and bring him back in since the ice.
I'd say it's been a week.
We had seven and a half inches of snow.
I'm like, all right, we're over the ice.
The other two nights ago,
he's like, I gotta go downstairs.
It's, it's one o'clock in the morning.
We get down.
I like how you interpret how he's speaking.
If he could speak to you.
We, he's like, oh, he gets up.
His bed is in the floor at the end of our bed.
And he gets up and he paces up my side, up Amy's side.
He's just waiting to see who's gonna get up first.
And he pants really loudly.
And he drags his feet.
He waits.
So he's intentionally like making as much noise as he can
to get one of us to get up and let his ass go down.
So he will not go down a set of stairs.
He falls.
If he goes down the stairs, you can't see very good.
His legs don't work.
So we got to go down an elevator.
So I get up, I take him into the elevator.
We go down and he doesn't go to the front door,
which is where he should go.
He wants to go out back, out backs the hill
that he's getting stuck on.
But we haven't happened in a couple of days.
And his ass goes out there and I watch him
and he walks around.
He takes his poop.
He takes his pee.
And then he locks up.
He goes, come get me.
He's playing.
He's down this hill.
And I see him like.
He's like, I know you're gonna be cold.
I see him like moving his front legs.
He's like, I can't, I can't get on the hill.
He's asserting his dominance over you Dale.
He's acting like he needs wheelchair.
He's like, you ain't the boss of me, I'm the boss of me.
Come get me.
Help, help, help.
Come get me.
I'm gonna freeze.
Yeah, you're his ****.
That's not right.
But that's not how it is.
So I have to get my pants on and go out there
and pick him up.
Don't pick me up.
And I'm like, this sucks.
You wanted this.
I don't, I did not want this.
This is not the part.
I don't know that this is experience for every dog owner.
Well, when they get older,
you have all kinds of things you didn't experience.
You didn't have that with Rocket.
Look, I don't want to put him down.
I'm not saying let's get rid of him.
Well, I didn't hear you say that.
I'm just gonna get it off my chest.
I just wanna get off my chest.
I believe my, you're, so maybe that's me relating to you,
right, in your, you know, feeling like you got Island Fever
or your, you know, claustrophobic and need to get out of the house
and need to see some friends.
Yeah.
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We have a pretty incredible guest coming in here.
I'm pretty excited about this.
It's one of my favorite people that's in the industry today.
Danny Lawrence, let's bring him into the room.
Again, like in happy hour,
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We ran 20 minutes of an hour and stopped.
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Well...
Speaking of car covers, 87 we go to Daytona.
And that's back when Beatty was the crew chief.
And they, back then, we never cheated.
And I want to tell you the Andy's Petrie story
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But we pushed everything to the end of the rules.
And back then they had, you know, a long template
and a side template and this and that.
So at Daytona, you needed a totally different car
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Really?
You needed, the racetrack was rough,
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So you needed a car to be able to handle further along.
So the back end of our car was four inches longer.
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What?
Because we were the champions, so we had the first stall.
They said that over and over again.
All these people came over and put all the templates
on the car, everything fit perfect.
So we're covering car up at the end of the day
and the car cover won't fit because the car cover
is made off of a regular car.
We couldn't get it over the back.
It was like, oh well, this is one thing that we missed
on it, but it was fine, it was good.
But we weren't the only ones, there was some of those cars
look alike.
I know that like Darryl knows guys, you can go,
there's a Walltrip car in the museum at Talladega
and it's like four inches narrow.
The Junior Johnson Bud car, you go in there
and you can look at it and just tell, it's like super narrow.
And so yeah, they were playing some games before
because we, at that point, I think around 85, 86,
you didn't have, you had the long tip and that was it.
They weren't measuring the width.
But you were gonna tell another story.
So, Andy Petrie, the Andy Petrie thing.
So Andy Petrie shows up at RCR.
He's gonna be the crew chief.
He comes in and he's been there for about a week
and he says, okay, now show me all stuff.
But what are you talking about?
All your tricks, your magic, all the things,
all the cheating stuff that y'all did.
So we'll, Lynn grabs hold of them, carries them over there,
set up plate right in the middle of the room
and he goes, see that seat right there?
He goes, yeah, that's where all our magic is
the guy sits in that seat.
We don't have no nitrous.
We don't have no movable this.
We don't have no, we weren't doing any of that stuff.
It was all basics and that was the truth.
And Andy was like, you don't have no trick spoilers
or no trick cows or no way to move the tenders
or take lead out and like, no, we don't have none of that.
You don't have any five-speed transmissions
or what, no, we don't have any of that.
You don't have any aluminum panels
or any way to cause a caution or no, we don't have anything.
He goes, oh my gosh, I'm like, and he couldn't believe it.
He could not believe it.
But so Andy's thing was,
we're gonna have some of that stuff.
And then, then Richard's like, Andy, you embarrass us
and it's on you.
So, so I don't know if Andy had all that stuff,
all the other places he ran and, you know,
hitting this and that, but.
He brought that damn spoiler from the Skoll car.
I have it, with the wires and the retractive
where the spoiler laid down.
He said they used it in qualifying
and they're scared to do it in the race.
I imagine you could see it if you were behind him,
but I kind of always wondered,
we talk about that all the time on here
with folks about ingenuity and cheating and all that stuff.
And I got this big old lead radio right here
that Gary Nelson, he brought that over.
That's from like 1978.
Got you.
Die guard, Dare Walter.
I think it's tungsten, it's not lead,
but you know, I was telling,
I was in, I was in Nashville yesterday
speaking at the Cattleman and Beef Association
and telling them about the Dare Walter story
where they had lead shot in the frame rail
and it come out the jackstop.
And every, every time, every time NASCAR would go
looking forward, they couldn't see the hole
cause the jack was jacking the car up on the jackstop.
But so y'all never, y'all never.
No.
I mean, how do you, how do you get people?
Like I, this is my question to you, is I believe you.
All right, I believe you when you tell me
that you wouldn't bulls*** me.
But in a garage that is, that is like,
like in, like cheating or bending the rules or whatever
is rampant.
I mean, it was like a badge of honor.
Everyone in the garage like felt
like they had one over the next guy.
You know, they don't know about what I'm doing here
and every guy in the garage.
And you'd look at all, you'd look in the eyes
of all of those crew chiefs back in the 80s
and all of them had something they were hiding.
And it's hard for me to believe that you guys
were a hundred percent up and up.
So there's a picture floating around
to your dad with his foot underneath front of the car.
That's enough.
That is, that and people are like,
that's how you won all those races.
I like it.
I like he would, there's a, that picture,
I see it every now and then,
probably every six months on social media.
And that picture makes me think, you know,
I kind of do want people to think dad was smarter
than the technical inspectors.
I kind of like, cause he was, you know,
he thought he was smarter than everybody else.
And that's, that's an image of him in his mind.
But what he's truly doing in that picture,
and y'all aren't waiting the car.
I mean, that would be, you know,
lifting the car with his foot would go against
the minimum weight.
You know, one of the things that dad did
that a lot of people don't realize
is he walked around like back in,
back in the 80s and the 90s,
the front valence height on the car
was critical to speed
and how competitive your car was going to be.
And he would walk around and he wanted to,
he wanted to, if he could take a tape measure
to every car out there on the grid or in the garage, right?
But instead of doing that,
he'd walk over and slide his foot under there
and see what shoe lace,
cause he had them racing shoes on
that laced all the way up to ankle.
And he'd see what shoe lace that valence hit.
And he would then walk off and go,
well, that went up to the seventh shoe lace.
That's a little higher than the last one.
That's exactly what he would do.
That's what he's doing.
And that's what he's kind of doing in that picture
is like measuring the valence with his foot.
And that was kind of his way
of kind of seeing if he was where he needed to be
and where the competition was at.
You're exactly, exactly right.
He knew a lot about those cars.
And when you and Kelly and Carrie and all
were gonna start driving,
he came in the truck one day and he said,
I'm gonna make them work on those cars
or they're not driving.
I want them to be able to realize
what it takes, what you guys go through
and what it takes to race.
And I know he made you,
I know he made you work on the cars there
so that, so you could appreciate what it is.
It doesn't just happen.
And how easy you can tear one up.
Weeks and weeks and weeks of work
and you can tear one up in just a minute.
Oh yeah.
He was, when you were winning all those races,
he was so proud of you.
He'd come back in, you know, he'd beat like.
Happy hours right after our races in the bus series.
I didn't get to see him.
He might pop into Victor Lane.
We went over right, 98 or something, I think.
He pops into Victor Lane.
He's got a suit on, right?
Cause he's getting ready to get in his car.
And he's there for like a minute.
Hug, high five, slap on the forehead, whatever, right?
That's about what you're gonna get.
Then he's gone.
I'm like, damn, I wish he was hanging around.
You know, we're gonna take all these pictures
and I wanna hear.
I wanna, in five or 10 minutes,
if he had hung out,
I might actually get to hear what he's thinking, right?
But he jump in his car.
Cause he had to be first out or one, you know,
didn't wanna, you know, it was a competition.
He was back in his mode.
Yes, 100%, 100%.
And it's great to have Danny Lawrence in the Arby studio
to kick off the season.
Hopefully all enjoyed getting to know Danny
and what he's all about.
Thank y'all.
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