The New BMW M, Porsche Denies Electric 911! Stradman's Lamborghini Catches Fire!

The New BMW M, Porsche Denies Electric 911! Stradman's Lamborghini Catches Fire! THIS CAR POD! with Doug DeMuro & Friends! · Jun 19, 2026

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Concept

Neue Klasse

“Neue Klasse” is BMW’s name for its next big generation of cars and design direction. The hosts are saying BMW showed a regular version first, then later showed an M-focused version.

Car

BMW E30M3

The BMW E30 M3 is an older BMW sports car that’s famous with enthusiasts. They’re saying the new BMW concept has a similar look to that classic car.

Car

electric

They’re saying the next BMW M3 could be an electric car. That means it would be powered by an electric motor and battery rather than a gas engine.

Term

hybrid

A hybrid uses two kinds of power: a gas engine and an electric motor. The tradeoff is that the electric parts can add weight, which can affect how the car drives.

Car

The BMW M5 is a fast, sporty BMW sedan made by BMW’s performance division. People talk about it a lot because it’s supposed to be quick, but modern cars can be heavy. The podcast is discussing why the weight matters and why people argued about it.

Term

curb weight

Curb weight is the car’s weight as it sits ready to drive, with standard fluids and a typical amount of fuel, but without passengers or cargo. The segment suggests that the M5’s curb weight became a sticking point when it adopted a hybrid-style layout.

Car

SF90

The Ferrari SF90 is a high-end Ferrari that uses both gas power and electric motors. They bring it up to show that hybrid supercars exist, but they can end up heavier than you’d want.

Term

porky

“Porky” is slang for “too heavy.” They’re saying the hybrid cars can end up weighing more than the ideal for sharp handling.

Concept

balance and precision and handling

They’re talking about how a car feels when you turn and how controllable it is. The idea is that extra weight can make it harder for the car to feel nimble and precise.

Term

design language

A “design language” is just a brand’s recognizable style. It means multiple cars will look like they belong to the same family, using similar design features.

Car

XM

The BMW XM is BMW’s more extreme, performance-focused SUV. The host is saying BMW could use it as the first car to show off a new M design style.

Company

General Motors

General Motors is a major car company. The host is talking about GM’s new pickup trucks and what’s changing in them.

Term

turbo four cylinder

A turbo four-cylinder is a smaller engine with four cylinders that uses a turbo to make more power. It’s often offered as the cheaper or more efficient engine option.

Term

facelift slash redesign

A facelift is like a “refresh” of a car—new looks and maybe some tech, but it’s not a totally new car. A redesign is a bigger change where the car is more fundamentally updated. The host is saying this update feels closer to a redesign than a small refresh.

Term

V8s

A V8 is a type of engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. People often like V8s because they tend to feel strong and sound great. The host is saying it’s interesting that this truck still offers V8 engines.

Term

six cylinder powertrains

A powertrain is everything that works together to move the car, starting with the engine. “Six cylinder” means the engine has six cylinders instead of eight. The host is saying Ford has been leaning more toward six-cylinder setups, so it’s interesting this truck still keeps V8s.

Term

trail boss

“Trail Boss” is a name Chevrolet uses for a truck trim meant for dirt roads and light off-roading. It’s usually not the most extreme off-road version in the lineup. The host is basically saying it’s in the middle—not the toughest, but better than stock.

Term

ZR2

“ZR2” is a higher off-road trim level on a Chevrolet truck. It’s meant to handle tougher terrain than the more basic off-road versions. The host is saying it’s becoming more like the most hardcore off-road trucks.

Term

Raptor

“Raptor” is Ford’s name for a very capable off-road truck. It’s built for rough terrain and has suspension and equipment meant for serious off-roading. The host is comparing the Chevy’s off-road trim level to that kind of top-tier off-road truck.

Car

F-150 Raptor

The F-150 is Ford’s big pickup truck. The podcast is talking about a version that’s meant to feel more like a tougher, off-road style truck. They’re interested to see how it drives in real life.

Term

high country

“High Country” is a higher-end trim level on a Chevrolet truck. It usually means more comfort features and a more premium feel than the base trims. The host is saying even these nicer trims are getting updated.

Concept

share the same architecture

Sharing the same architecture means different vehicles are built on a similar underlying design. That can make it easier to put new engines or tech into more than one model.

Car

Raptor R

The Ford Raptor R is a super tough off-road truck. It’s the top, most extreme version of the Raptor line and it’s built to handle rough terrain, not just look rugged.

Term

V8

A V8 is an engine with eight cylinders. People often like it because it tends to sound great and feel powerful.

Term

off road components

Off-road components are the specialized parts that help a truck handle rough terrain—things like suspension tuning, stronger drivetrain parts, and other hardware designed for durability and traction. The hosts argue that you can get most of these benefits without paying the Raptor R’s extreme price.

Brand

Duramax diesel

Duramax is the name GM uses for its diesel engines. Diesel engines are often picked for towing and getting good fuel economy, and the host says the Silverado work truck is getting one.

Car

Chevrolet Silverado

The Chevrolet Silverado is a big pickup truck. Here they’re talking about the work-truck version getting a diesel engine, which is often chosen for hauling and long-distance fuel economy.

Concept

engine swap

An engine swap is when someone replaces a vehicle’s original engine with a different one, usually from another model. In this segment, the host describes swapping the Corvette ZR1 engine into a ZR2 off-road pickup as a playful “ZR3” idea.

Car

Chevrolet Corvette

ZR1 is the most extreme performance version of the Corvette. The host is joking about taking that Corvette’s engine and putting it into an off-road truck to make a ridiculous hybrid.

Car

Ram TRX

The Ram TRX is a super-powerful, high-end Ram pickup truck. The hosts are saying it was the original “big deal” version, and later trucks don’t get the same respect.

Car

Ford Raptor

The Ford Raptor is Ford’s most capable, off-road-focused pickup. The point here is that Ford improved the idea step-by-step, so people trusted it more.

Term

volume dial up to 11

It’s a colorful way of saying people want the truck to be even more extreme—bigger, louder, and more impressive. The host is saying buyers want the “maxed out” version, not something that feels like a downgrade.

Term

shocks

Shocks (shock absorbers) are parts in the suspension that help control bouncing. They keep the wheels planted on the road so the ride and handling don’t feel “bouncy.”

Term

alternator

The alternator is what keeps your car’s battery charged while the engine is running. If it’s not working right, the car can lose power to electronics and may not start.

Company

AutoZone

AutoZone is a store where you can buy car parts and tools. The host is saying they expect to get the needed parts there for their project.

Car

Porsche 911

The Porsche 911 is Porsche’s famous sports car. This part of the show is about whether Porsche plans to make an electric version of the 911, which would be a big change from the traditional setup fans expect.

Car

Porsche Cayman

The Porsche Cayman is a mid-engine Porsche sports car. They’re saying people expected an electric version, but there’s been pushback from the market.

Term

simulated shifting

Simulated shifting is when an electric car uses software to imitate the feeling of changing gears. It’s meant to make the car feel more like a traditional transmission, even though it’s not actually shifting gears the same way.

Car

Porsche Taycan

The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. It doesn’t shift like a gas car, so “simulated shifting” is software that imitates the sensation of changing gears to make the driving feel more familiar.

Concept

gasoline engines

A gasoline engine is the traditional type of engine that burns fuel to move the car. Here, they’re saying those will stick around for a while before electric versions take over.

Term

Mission E

“Mission E” was Porsche’s early plan for an all-electric sports car. The goal was to make an electric car that still felt like a high-performance Porsche, but the plan didn’t roll out exactly as originally expected.

Term

918

“918” refers to the Porsche 918 Spyder. It’s a high-performance supercar that uses both gas and electricity, and the host is saying it was an early example of that hybrid supercar idea.

Car

Porsche 918 Spyder

The Porsche 918 Spyder is a rare supercar from Porsche. It uses both a gas engine and an electric system. The podcast is pointing out that it was a hybrid supercar that still felt exciting.

Car

Porsche Boxster

The Porsche Boxster is a two-seat sports car where the engine sits in the middle. It’s built for driving enjoyment, often with the top down. The podcast is saying an electric version of the Boxster was canceled.

Place

Nurburgring

The Nürburgring is a very famous race/testing track in Germany. Car companies use it because it’s extremely demanding, so it’s a good place to find issues before release.

Term

hard top convertible

A “hard top convertible” is a convertible where the roof is made of solid material, not fabric. When you open it, that rigid roof retracts, and it can feel more solid than a fabric-roof car.

Term

spider

“Spider” is a fancy way of saying “convertible.” It’s the version where the roof can open up so you get an open-air drive instead of a fixed roof.

Car

Lamborghini Gallardo spider

The Lamborghini Gallardo is the Italian supercar that helped define Lamborghini’s modern, more driver-focused era, and the “spider” is its open-top convertible variant. The speaker is recalling a specific Gallardo Spider color moment, which highlights how visually distinctive the roof-off version can be.

Term

drop top

“Drop top” is just another way to say “convertible,” meaning the roof can go down. They’re using it to talk about the open-top versions of these supercars.

Car

Ferrari 458

The Ferrari 458 is a well-known Ferrari supercar. Here it’s brought up while comparing how people feel about different versions—especially convertibles—based on how they look with the roof down.

Term

ergonomically

Ergonomics here means how comfortable and usable the driver area is—like whether your legs fit well and where your feet go. In cars with retractable roofs, the roof parts can take up space and make it feel tighter.

Car

Lamborghini STO

Lamborghini STO is a “track version” of a Lamborghini. It’s usually aimed at being lighter and more aggressive than the regular street car, and here they’re talking about different STO-related special editions.

Term

clamshell

A clamshell is a big body panel that opens outward like a shell. They’re saying the front might not open the usual way, and are trying to name the other front design.

Term

front clip

A front clip is basically the car’s front section that can be removed as one piece. They’re talking about a carbon front part that can come off, like a modular track-car feature.

Term

carbon board that peels off

They’re talking about carbon-fiber parts on the front of the car. Carbon fiber is light and strong, and here they mean a front piece that can come off like a removable panel.

Car

Lamborghini Huracan

The Lamborghini Huracán is a fancy, high-performance supercar from Lamborghini. It’s famous for a V10 engine (an engine with 10 cylinders) and a loud, exciting sound. Here, they’re basically saying it’s still a great pick for wealthy people who want to go fast, and that it’s gotten cheaper compared to before.

Term

V10

A V10 is an engine with 10 cylinders. The cylinders are arranged in two groups that form a V shape, and in cars like the Huracán it’s known for sounding really exciting when you rev it.

Term

value

When they say the car’s value is coming down, they mean it’s getting cheaper in the real market. That can make it a better deal for buyers who still want the same kind of performance.

Car

Ferrari 550 Marnello

The Ferrari 550 Maranello is a classic Ferrari sports car. It’s known for being very fast and for having a strong collector reputation. The podcast mentions it as an example of a famous person owning one.

Car

Gordon T50

The Gordon Murray Automotive T.50 is a rare supercar. It’s designed to be fun and engaging to drive, not just fast in a straight line. The podcast is saying it’s meant for a particular type of enthusiast.

Car

Rimac Nevera

The Rimac Nevera is a very high-performance electric supercar. The host is basically saying it’s the kind of car you buy because you’re into cars/tech, not because you’re just following what’s popular.

Car

Audi A6 all road

This is an Audi A6 wagon that’s made to handle rougher roads better than a normal wagon. The hosts are also talking about what engine it might use and whether it will be offered in the U.S. or Europe.

Term

twin turbo

“Twin turbo” means the engine uses two turbochargers to make more power. The hosts are comparing that engine choice to other engine options and mentioning concerns about reliability.

Term

turbo diesel V6

This is a diesel engine with six cylinders and a turbocharger. The turbo helps it make strong pulling power, and the hosts are saying Europe might get this type of engine.

Car

Audi RS6

The RS6 is the “hot-rodded” performance version of the Audi A6. They’re saying they think an RS6 could show up in this wagon/allroad direction and that it’s done well with American buyers.

Car

Mercedes-Benz E-Class

The Mercedes-Benz E-Class is a luxury car line. The host is talking about their experience owning multiple E-Class generations and how Mercedes removed a third-row seating option, which leads them to wonder about the wagon/allroad’s practicality.

Term

third row

A third row means extra seats behind the back seats. The hosts are discussing whether these cars should keep that extra seating or drop it to reduce cost and complexity.

Car

G wagon

The Mercedes G-Wagon is a tough-looking SUV that’s built for off-road use. In this conversation, they’re basically saying they usually stick with the E-Class, but they’ve also owned a G-Wagon before.

Brand

AMG

AMG is Mercedes-Benz’s performance brand. It makes the sportier, higher-power versions of regular Mercedes cars, and the hosts are comparing how many AMG cars they sell versus BMW’s performance cars.

Car

Bmw M

The BMW M Coupe (E36) is a sporty two-door BMW. It’s part of BMW’s performance lineup and is based on the E36 generation. The podcast is talking about what counts as a true BMW M car and how to identify it.

Term

VIN

VIN is a car’s unique identification number, like a fingerprint. The host is saying they believe the VIN information can confirm whether a car is officially counted as an M.

Car

BMW M235I

The BMW 2 Series is a smaller BMW car line. The podcast is talking about how the name can be confusing because different trims can mean different performance levels. They’re trying to figure out what exact version is being discussed.

Term

engine variance

This means how many different engine versions a company offers for the same kind of car. If they reduce the number of versions, it can make the cars easier to build and support.

Car

Mercedes-Benz E 63

This is a high-performance Mercedes E-Class made by AMG. It’s the “sporty” version of the normal E-Class, with stronger engine tuning and better performance parts.

Car

BMW E63

The BMW 6 Series is a bigger, more comfortable BMW compared to smaller models. The podcast is talking about people waiting for a new version and what they hope it will be. It’s basically about BMW’s future lineup and expectations.

Car

Mercedes-Benz E 53

This is a sportier AMG version of the Mercedes E-Class. The “53” usually indicates it’s more powerful and more performance-focused than the regular E-Class.

Car

Mercedes-Benz E 63 wagon

This is the AMG “63” performance Mercedes E-Class, but in wagon form. It’s for people who want a fast Mercedes and also want the extra space a wagon provides.

Term

4x4

4x4 means the car can send power to all four wheels. That usually helps it grip better on snow, mud, or rough roads.

Car

GLS 63

The Mercedes-Benz GLS 63 is the AMG “sport” version of the big GLS SUV. It’s tuned to be quicker and more performance-focused than the regular GLS.

Car

GLE 63

The Mercedes-Benz GLE 63 is the sporty, high-power AMG version of the GLE SUV. It’s meant to feel and drive more like a performance car than a normal family SUV.

Term

flat paint crank V8

This is about how the V8 engine’s crankshaft is shaped. A flat-plane crank usually changes the engine’s sound and how it feels when you rev it.

Term

manual transmission

A manual transmission is the kind of car where you use a clutch pedal and a gear stick. You’re the one choosing the gear, not the car.

Company

Hagerty

Hagerty is an insurance company that focuses on car enthusiasts. They help you insure a collector car by agreeing on its value ahead of time.

Term

call center script

A call center script is a fixed set of lines customer service uses. The point here is that the insurer’s staff know cars better than generic scripted help.

Term

totaled

“Totaled” means the car is considered too damaged to be worth fixing. In that case, the insurance pays you instead of repairing it.

Term

OEM

OEM parts are the same type of parts the car maker uses. Using OEM parts usually helps keep the repair closer to how the car was built.

Term

new old stock

New old stock means parts that are brand-new, but they’re from an older production run. It can help keep repairs authentic on older cars.

Term

collector vehicle

A “collector vehicle” is a car you keep because it’s special—rare, valuable, or maintained for enthusiasts. The insurance is meant to protect that special value.

Term

polarized

Polarized sunglasses cut down on annoying glare. That can help when you’re driving and the road reflects sunlight.

Term

EVs

EVs are electric cars that mainly use an electric motor. Instead of burning fuel in an engine, they rely on electricity stored in a battery.

Person

Jeremy Clarkson

Jeremy Clarkson is a well-known car presenter and writer. In this clip, he’s being quoted about how focusing on regular cars versus racing can pull resources in different directions.

Topic

Formula One

Formula One is the highest level of professional race car driving. Teams build special race cars for it, and that can affect what they focus on for regular cars.

Car

SF 90

The SF 90 is Ferrari’s Formula 1 race car. It uses a modern hybrid setup, which helps it make and manage power efficiently during a race.

Person

Lewis Hamilton

Lewis Hamilton is a top Formula 1 race driver. The discussion is about him trying to win his eighth championship, which would be a record.

Person

Michael Schumacher

Michael Schumacher is one of the most famous Formula 1 drivers ever. The hosts are comparing his championship record to Lewis Hamilton’s.

Person

Carlos Sainz

Carlos Sainz is a Formula 1 driver. The hosts mention him as the driver associated with Ferrari’s last F1 win they recall, tying the conversation to recent race results.

Place

Barcelona

Barcelona is where a well-known race track is located in Spain. The host is saying they checked online and saw the result tied to a race there.

Term

turbo build

A “turbo build” means adding a turbo to the engine to make more power. It’s not just a bolt-on—there are other systems that have to be set up correctly too.

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Hello and welcome to this car pod.

I'm Kenan.

I'm Nick.

I'm Doug and we start this week with some sad news.

Kenan, did you hear?

I did.

I heard that Jeremy Clarkson has been diagnosed

with an aggressive but caught early form of prostate cancer,

which is really scary and sad.

He's 66, so I'm very glad I caught it at least.

But it really makes things very real.

And it's incredibly sad news.

And it's devastating.

Yeah, no, it's tough.

Who knows what'll come of it?

I bet he knows more than he's saying.

Obviously, he's known for a little while.

But it's hard to know exactly how it's going to shake down.

He's obviously an idol of anybody in our generation

who's into cars.

And it's just a reminder that life can be fleeting.

Right, and fragile.

But yeah, I don't want to say this doom and gloom just yet.

He's still around.

But to your point, Nick, of course,

does not know who Jeremy Clarkson is,

because he never watched Top Gear.

So for Nick, you can just take a nap here.

But he really was the bombastic voice

of entertainment in the automotive industry.

And what they created, he and Andy Willman

and obviously Richard and James.

Like, I can't believe you haven't gone back and watched more of it.

Because it is truly not only like for cars.

It is such an entertaining show.

And like, I hope maybe this will be the trigger.

Yeah, it changed all of our lives truly.

Nothing in history will ever have changed my life more.

I mean, it's in terms of content.

Anyway, he's not dead.

We're not eulogizing him, but it's obviously a big deal.

It's sad news in the car community.

We just found out about it yesterday.

He kind of publicly announced it sort of in a bit of a very Clarkson way.

Not with some big splashy announcement.

But we wish him the best and we hope to hear more.

And Nick, maybe this can be your sign to go and watch a little Top Gear.

I have gone back and watched some since coming out a year or two ago

that I had and I did not grow up watching it.

I would say that my father is not only an oncologist,

but also has prostate cancer as well.

Get your PSA levels checked starting at like age 40.

It happens younger and younger and the earlier you catch it, the better.

So in a serious note, it is not preventable,

but the earlier you detected the better.

And I do hope sincerely that they caught it early enough

that it is treatable through radiation and so on.

My dad was caught early enough that they basically he's now in remission.

And it's just totally a little ball.

So a lot of times it is not as serious.

The fact that they said it was aggressive does scare me a bit.

But I sincerely hope he's going to be OK.

Yeah, for sure. That's good advice.

We wish him the best. We hope for a good outcome.

A bit of a somber start to the pod.

But there is our next story, a more positive note for we have here.

Some sort of BMW.

I don't know what this is.

It is only uphill from here.

This is the new BMW new class concept.

No, your class.

Please, the German and the group.

Go ahead. It's the new class.

Yeah, you know, your class. OK.

What is going on with this?

It's electric. It looks like an E30M3 a little bit.

Exactly. It is a new design study for the upcoming BMW.

New revised front fascia.

They actually teased this a couple of months ago, which we did cover.

But now it is official BMW is putting this out there and indicating this will be the next.

They also indicated the next M3 will not be a hybrid.

So good news, BMW fans, you can rejoice and or let out a sigh of relief

that BMW is not going to screw things up again.

That's nice.

So explain this to me like this.

This was specifically an M concept car.

They had they had teased the regular Neue class

version as a concept car a few months ago or maybe a year.

And this is an M version, which is cool.

They're saying the next time won't be electric.

So are they is the plan to split it?

Have they announced anything?

Is that just what we're thinking?

My understanding was that they plan to split it, that there would be electric

and gasoline versions.

And my understanding also is this kind of handy is what the next M3 is going to look like,

which if that is the case, but I like it.

I really like the design elements of this.

I think this is a lot more the kind of car BMW should be making.

I love that the big grills are different.

This is much more palatable than the the the F the or the G80 M3.

But looks good.

I think it looks really good.

And this is honestly the first time in a while that felt like a BMW concept comes out

and I'm like, you know what, I'm I'm into this.

I'm I'm here for these little but the new five series looks good.

The new five is fine.

I don't you know, I'm not fawning over it.

I think it's OK.

It's better than a lot of other cars they're rolled out with.

I know you vehemently disagree, but like it's fine.

Like it's a car. It looks fine.

I'm cool with it.

But this is exciting.

And I think if this is what the next M3 looks like, I think a lot of people are going to be

actually very into it. It's going to be hot.

Yeah. And I think this will be very good.

Yeah. But it's this is an electric car.

So it seems to me that if they're saying the next M3 won't be a hybrid,

there's also an implication that it that it there's going to be a gas version

and an electric version, maybe.

I think that's probably what's going to happen.

And right now it is kind of hearsay.

We'll see what what actual future actually holds for it.

But it is interesting.

Them them confirming that it won't be a hybrid.

I wonder if that's a direct response to the pushback on the curb weight of the M5.

There was such an enormous pushback because they had made it a gas car

and have an electric powertrain.

And there's real advantages to that, like real advantages to that.

You can still have an engine with a noise.

Well, at the same time, you get extra power from electric.

And basically, everybody has gone down that road in Ferrari with the SF90

and the Temerario and all these cars.

But the drawback is all of those cars are porky.

Exactly. They're big cars.

And I wonder if BMW is just they don't want to go down that road.

Whatever you should not be porky.

And M5 can kind of get away with it because it's more built for highway cruising

and like going fast on a straight line, more of a kind of an American approach to speed.

But the M3 has always been about balance and precision and handling.

And so like weight just is the antithesis of all of those things.

So, you know, but nonetheless, like as a design.

If this is what an electric M3 looks like, I'm here for it.

And I'm curious to see what, you know, what the numbers are.

And from the official website and a statement from their head of design

for the BMW compact class, new class, no, yeah, no, yeah, class and BMW M division.

This is a new design language for BMW M automobiles.

So it is not meant to be just this vehicle.

I think this design language is meant to be spread out across the M line in the future,

which maybe they'll start with the XM.

That would be a good one to redesign.

No, just kill it.

Potentially fire.

Just kill it for sure.

The next big news story this week was new pickup trucks from General Motors.

To me, this is basically a redesign.

Totally new look, totally new interior, new power trains.

Bigger V8.

This is a bigger V8, which is pretty crazy.

Five point seven and six point six liter V8.

The two point seven turbo four cylinder is still sort of the base engine.

This is exciting. Nick, are you excited as a truck man?

I love the competition between the big three.

I don't count Toyota in that, but it's exciting to see.

Does Toyota wins?

Some of us like American trucks.

I think it looks great.

Again, I'm a Ford guy, but I can get behind the Chevy.

The looks are almost universally across the interwebs regarded as wow.

That is that is like the freshest, nicest facelift slash redesign on the market.

It's such a competitive market that it takes a lot to really stay top of mind

and to attract buyers like a lot of the truck buyers are going to buy a pickup.

And so the only really way to expand your market share is to steal away from dodge or Ford.

So I think Chevy redesigning, making it fresh, making it exciting.

We'll get a couple Ford or Dodge buyers to look their way and consider it

because it's it's all new and it's exciting.

So I think it could be a good move for them at a good time.

And again, keeping the V8s and everything people like.

Keeping the V8s is definitely an interesting thing.

I'm curious, you know, where in the development cycle that decision was made as

obviously as Ford has heavily started to rely on six cylinder powertrains.

This is this is an attractive truck.

It was attractive before relatively attractive.

It's attractive still that they're really pushing.

They sent me the press release last week and they're really pushing the off road versions.

The trail boss, which I think is sort of a middling off road, if you're honest.

But also the ZR2, which is a pretty more substantial off roader,

almost becoming in the vein of kind of the Raptor.

And I'm interested to see how that actually feels and how it actually succeeds.

Obviously, there's new luxury that, you know, all the trims are new.

There's big new screen in the center.

They were they heavily pushing also the high country,

which is the luxury version is, you know, it has this and that and all these luxury features.

The thing that also interests me about this update is that it probably will

will also affect the suburban in the Tahoe, which were fairly recently updated themselves.

But it'll be interesting to see if those vehicles get new powertrains, etc.

They assume they have to.

They all kind of share the same the same architecture and that kind of thing.

The other thing to your point is it's not quite the Raptor edition.

But if you think about it, the Raptor R is what you have to buy

if you want to V8 in the Raptor, you're spending well over a 100000 dollars.

And it's still only five point two liters.

So Chevy can also, hey, dude, you can get a six point six liter V8

without spending a hundred grand and have the majority of the off road components you want.

It's starting to get pretty compelling, especially for those that don't have

a hundred grand to spend on a off roader.

And frankly, being around those Raptors and Raptor R's, they're still not that fast.

So you're kind of doing it for the sound, the big burly V8.

Like maybe this is actually a decent option for some of those folks.

Yeah, if there are people who really, really just damn want to V8 for sure.

You do the Raptor R for the flex, not for the actual capabilities most of the time.

But I just this is like a more rational choice for the majority of the people

who end up buying Raptor and Raptor R's.

I am curious to see exactly which powertrains will be in which vehicles.

But even the top level, they haven't announced horsepower yet.

So, you know, it'll be kind of interesting to see.

But if you get a ZR2 with that new six point six liter V8, the old six point two,

which was the top engine before it was putting out, I think something like four

120 horsepower, so you got to assume the new one's going to be at least four

fifty, maybe even more given the it's just physically larger.

And that's what Raptor makes.

So you're kind of in competition there.

It's getting interesting.

Yeah. Yeah, that'll be interesting to see.

And and and people have sort of gone away from the Ram RHO.

I'm not even sure if they still make it.

That's a six cylinder.

They did kill that off, I believe.

The the other the other announcement is the base Silverado work truck gets the

Duramax diesel.

So they're expanding the work truck range, too.

So pretty cool from like basically the entry level all the way to the top dog.

I would like to see a ZR2 Max or ZR2 Plus or what have you that just takes it up

just a little bit more.

But I think this is enough for now.

Here's what you do, Nick.

I'm going to tell you what you do.

You get the ZR2.

It's a it's an off road pickup.

You get the ZR1 and it's a Corvette, right?

You put the ZR1 engine in the ZR2 pickup and you call it the ZR3.

I like it.

This is something that you guys can consider.

Why stop there, though?

Like the like the Kuntas.

What make it the 3000 ZR 3000 doesn't that sound better?

Yeah, I'd pay extra for that.

Yeah. Yeah, I think it does.

It feels like a very 1970s.

It does.

But would you be at all shocked if they went that route?

Honestly, no.

Regardless, remains a competitive truck, very competitive segment.

They have to do a lot to stay competitive and it looks like they are curious to

review these vehicles when they will come out.

Looks like they're going to sell at the end of the year.

So they're not that far away.

They're probably going into production here in the next 90 days or something.

So it'll be I'll be excited to see it.

Also, a quick fact check.

I'm not sure who said it, but the RHO is continuing.

So scratch that on the record.

I am sure who said it.

You know, people are saying that.

But it's not true.

They say the RHO is such a great truck.

And I agree.

And I'm so disappointed perpetually that people don't like it.

You know, Ram's problem with that truck will always have been that they started

with the TRX and then went backwards.

Whereas Ford started with the Raptor and then went upwards to the Raptor R.

And so there's they got a lot of credibility, whereas going backwards for

the RHO, even though it's got way more power than a Raptor, people are still

like, ah, it's not a TRX.

And this year too has the same issue.

It's basically an RHO competitor of sorts.

But everyone just wants the volume dial up to 11.

Like they want the flex.

Although when you look at actual consumers, the regular Raptor radically

outsells the Raptor R radically.

I mean, the Raptor R is incredibly expensive.

But the RHO never really did sell in particularly strong numbers

relative to how the TRX used to.

I've very only seen a couple of them on the road.

They are just not that common.

I am excited for the the ZR3, which I'm predicting right here on this podcast,

Chevy will do.

Call it the 3000.

Come on.

A T-A calendar.

All right.

So as I've talked about in the podcast a bunch of times, about a year ago,

my wife's stepfather passed away after a long battle with cancer.

And we inherited this 1973 Ford F-250.

We've done a few things to get it up and running and to get it finally

out here to California.

But now it's time to get it fully sorted out.

To get this truck in the condition that it deserves to be in,

we're going to hit up AutoZone for their quality parts that fit and function

like original equipment.

Thankfully, AutoZone has a wide assortment of parts,

everything from control arms to fuel pumps and everything in between.

And we can go in store today to get them and really keep this build moving.

So let's look around, see what we might need,

go to AutoZone and get this started.

It's an old truck that sat for years and years and years.

And it was going to need more things.

It's going to need some things to keep it reliable and to just get it back

to the condition it deserves to be in.

For example, most of the bulbs no longer work.

Probably a good idea to have those.

If we're out and about, I want to make sure that the truck starts.

And so a new battery is a no-brainer.

We'll also want to get new fluids all around.

None of it's that old.

A lot of it got stopped out, but the truck didn't run for years.

And it seems worth doing just for peace of mind.

There's also a bunch of other things that I expect that I will need

to get this project in a state that I'm happy with.

They'll probably want new shocks.

Definitely a new mineral change.

It wouldn't be shocks for your new alternator.

I also just realized I don't think that this tailgate opens right now.

I've made a list.

It's quite a long one.

Luckily, I am confident that the folks at AutoZone can help me get what I need.

So stay tuned to this car pod to see what we start with as we tackle this project

with the help from our friends at AutoZone.

Now, back to the studio.

Yep. Next news story, please.

What else we get going on?

Ah, yeah. Porsche.

Porsche. More German car news.

It's a Porsche podcast.

So recently an executive in an interview with AutoMoto und Sport

said that Porsche will not produce an electric version of the 911.

Now, I want to be clear.

It was, well, I guess clear in the lack of clarity.

But it wasn't.

It's not clear if the car will never have an electric version

or if it's just for the foreseeable future will not have an electric version.

But obviously, we've talked a lot about electric Porsche since it was announced

that the Cayman and the Boxer were going to be electric.

There's been a lot of pushback on the market.

They even considered killing the project altogether.

But they went out of their way to say that at least it seems like the next generation 911

will not.

There will not be a fully electric version of it.

I know. Keep in mind, Porsche has announced a lot of things.

Of course, we walked them back over the years.

Remember the electric Boxer?

We're still waiting for that.

I know.

Interestingly, it has just come out.

I'm reading a message that I'm just getting this just in

that Porsche is adding simulated shifting to the Taycan for a Taycan facelift,

which by the way is another thing they said they wouldn't do.

Remember when Porsche was like, we're all for all that performance and that's just a silly gimmick?

Well, guess what?

Now they're doing that.

Obviously, in today's market, they will not be making an electric 911.

That is very clear to everybody.

There was not really any serious consideration that they might.

It's nice to hear it confirmed.

However, you have to assume that someday there will be an electric 911.

It just won't be the 994.

Right. Right. Because we have to skip over the 993.

It can't be the 993 with a dot.

Yeah. The naming.

It will be that. the 994.

Yeah. So, yeah.

I guess it makes me happy.

I think that it's kind of, I know they realize it's just not the right move right now.

I think it's inevitable at some point it will go that way.

It's just like not yet.

So we have gasoline engines for a little while longer.

Yep.

Which is nice.

Well, hybrids.

I mean, that's what we've got now in these cars.

They're all hybrids.

That BTS.

I'm fine with it.

That's solid.

Yeah. It's what we have to have.

They're letting us, they're going to get us to electric 911s,

but they're doing it very slowly so that we can really,

really get used to the concept of it first.

Like a tectonic plate.

They're just grinding away just a little.

Interesting.

I'm slowly the change will happen.

You do got to use people under the idea.

Of course you do.

Of course sports cars are all about motion.

Well, that was the thing.

That was the theory with the Mission E.

I mean, this whole thing was going to go like this.

In their minds was going to go like this.

They released the Mission E,

which probably was supposed to come out last year.

And you have the top of the market is electric.

Right.

And so then people are like, oh, if the supercar is electric,

then I can have an electric car and my normal car.

And then it like makes it feel cool.

I mean, the 918 did that 10 years ago.

Oh, the supercar is hybrid.

Well, then I don't feel so bad about having a hybrid Kyan

or a hybrid Panama or whatever.

Unfortunately, things changed.

The world changed.

The Mission E was canceled.

The Boxster Electric was canceled.

This onslaught didn't really work.

And so now they're kind of back to the drawing board

with without a lot of funds to do it.

And they can understand.

Nick's been there.

A lot of funds.

A lot of funds to have fun.

Next news story, please.

Yes.

This is the Lamborghini John Tamarian.

So recently, obviously the coupe is now being delivered

to the United States.

I still have, don't think I've ever seen a customer car.

Even in Southern California, like I still have seen one.

But even so, they are currently testing the spider

on the Nurburgring.

There have been lots of spy shots of it coming out.

I understand.

My thing with this is like, you know, it's like, well,

kind of whoop-de-doo.

We knew a spider was going to come at some point.

You know, it appears that it's going to be a hard top convertible,

which is kind of interesting.

But my thing with this is like, I kind of would have liked

if they were released at the same time.

Like it would have been like, I understand they want to like,

it's exciting enough.

Like they, we still don't have them here.

What a bit, you know, I don't need more excitement.

We're excited enough about the car.

Like we saw it two years ago at Quail.

And like we've been like, you know, bring the thing already.

So like, yeah.

You'd be surprised though, you'd be surprised how many people

will buy both.

If they come out at the same time, they won't.

But you'd be surprised how many people will buy a coupe.

And then because they want one of the first and then a year later,

the spider comes out and they're at the dealer and they're like,

oh, I can still trade in and lose money and I can get a

spider. Like I'm going to do it.

You'd be surprised.

Especially if it is a hard top because then you can kind of

make the argument in your head of, oh, I have the best of both worlds.

Like I can have the hard top when I need it.

Nick, do you remember when the Gallardo spider came out in that

sky blue color?

Yeah. Yeah.

Blue Cephas, I believe.

That was so cool.

Yep.

You know, it's funny the Gallardo spiders, like maybe it's just

the particular execution of the Gallardo, but like it's never

really been as beloved.

That car, the coupes are way more desirable.

Like a lot of cars, the spider slash drop top commands a

significant premium.

It seems like...

Not in that world.

Typically cars of that ilk, the convertible is less desirable.

Ask Kenan about the 355, but also 360, the 430, the 458, all those cars.

Like only the limited ones is the spider.

I do think a hard top...

Well, part of the problem with the spider was it just never looked

as good with the roof down.

Like the car looked better as a fixed roof hard top.

One of the things I think the automakers...

Yeah. One of the things I think the automakers have figured out is to

make this convertibles look a little less open.

Yeah.

Like the Gallardo have this roof that just sort of stopped and it looked weird.

And the Huracan spider and the later Ferrari convertibles, they looked

like they had more sort of car around the roof.

Yep.

And it like made them look less weird with the roof down.

Gallardo spider looks a lot like my Range Rover convertible.

Like it just looks kind of done as an afterthought rather than done with intention.

And it didn't look that great with the roof up either.

The roof did like more of an arc than it probably should have.

It wasn't the most attractive car.

But it was a way to enjoy a V10 with the roof off.

And as someone who enjoys a V10 with the roof off, I got to tell you.

Right.

It's pretty nice.

That roof hasn't been off in a long time because we discovered with the roof on,

it's actually better.

But yeah.

Not to get in and out.

Not to...

Well, yeah, but it's about the driving experience.

Once you're in, then you're in.

Once you're out, then you're out.

But I am curious about this because the Huracan spider,

one of its big problems was that the roof robbed a significant amount of legroom.

Even for people who normally fit in sports cars and are smaller, like it was a lot.

So I am kind of curious ergonomically how this feels.

It is a bigger car.

So in theory, they should have more space to hide stuff and fit it in.

But yeah, it's a good point.

In theory.

So yeah, but we'll certainly see.

But nonetheless, it's exciting when a new Lamborghini comes along.

And I can't wait because this is just the tip of the iceberg, right?

We're going to get like the STO version, the STS.

We're like, there's going to be so many cool special editions.

This is the obvious ones.

But just think of where do we get another lifted one, a rally version?

Do we get a Storato?

Thank you.

Do we get the STO version with the, with not the clamshell,

but what's the front clip thing called?

Oh yeah.

The little pole.

The little carbon board that peels off the front of the car.

Yeah.

We're going to get all sorts of cool stuff.

So I can't wait.

Let's get the spider out of the way and then keep going.

I would just like to see a coupe.

Still haven't.

I've seen one.

Really just right around.

I'd rent a Santa Fe.

But it's not, it's not the most engaging car.

I was so disappointed with that car.

I still think about how disappointed I was.

It's just still too big and too heavy and it's not what I want.

Yeah.

Well, you know, luckily the Huracan exists in Applenty.

They're out there with that great NAV 10.

So on a scale of one to 10, how rich guy go fastest in your book, Doug?

Oh, 10.

Oh, I mean, I think there's work.

But I mean, I guess I felt that way about the Huracan.

And now I look back at the Huracan and like, man, that V10 sounds good

and they're coming down in value.

Like it's lowered on that rich guy go fast scale to like.

But Lambie has always been for flexible.

I never felt that way as much about Huracan.

I don't know why.

I guess McLaren kind of held that title for a long time.

But man, rich guy go fast, you know?

A rich guy go fast.

I still think McLaren holds the title personally.

Personally.

There are 10.

This is a 9.897 or something.

I give it like a 7.

All these cars are just not generally purchased by enthusiasts.

They're purchased by people who want to go fast in a rich.

You know what?

Yes.

And who don't have an enormous amount of.

You say that.

But I really think about this.

Like, you know, Michael Jordan's 550 Marnello, I think is for so right now.

And like, he bought that because that was the fastest, the highest thing at the time.

He didn't keep it to be clear.

Like none of it.

Like we look back and think, oh my God, the cars he had, the turbo, S and L's.

It's like, well, no, that was just the fastest, most expensive car at the time.

And like that's kind of like all the cars that we love have all been rich guy go fast cars.

Like the Carrera GT when it came out was a rich guy go fast car too.

And people bought that who weren't into cars as much.

I think with a manual, maybe it's a little bit different.

But like, you know, they become appreciated by enthusiasts later on.

I'm not saying that necessarily would be the case with this.

Maybe it is.

Maybe it isn't.

But when it's new, it's like, yeah, of course it's a rich guy go fast car.

You have to be rich to go fast in those cars.

I think there are cars that are not rich guy go fast.

And I think there are even new ones.

And I think there are cars that are rich guy go fast.

And I think that the automatic hybrids that tout only their horsepower and acceleration figures are rich guy go fast.

And I think that when the car is more challenging, it's a different situation.

Well, yes, part of the challenge in my view comes from I would rather have an older car of the same dollar figure and take on that challenge.

But that's purely in retrospect.

It's not apples to apples on new cars.

I'll give me an example.

The T50, that's not a rich guy go fast.

That is a car for enthusiasts.

And that is known from day one.

And I think that's true of career GT.

And I think that's true of a lot of other cars.

Got another one for you.

Remacnevera.

Where was that one to 10?

That wasn't even talk about a level of unsophistication in order to buy that car.

Like you, you, oh, it's going to be cool.

People tell me it's going to be cool.

Like you just have to have absolutely no market awareness at all in order to buy a Remacnevera and then like talk it up.

And there are some people out there who did that.

All right.

Time for our next new story, please.

Oh, Audi.

Must be Nick.

Yes.

There is a new A6 all road.

It is not coming as the base wagon, but we do continue to get an A6 wagon in the form of the all road.

It is four inches wider.

It's a little lifted.

So basically like your Mercedes, like we are only getting the off road variant.

It does not have the 2.7 liter twin turbo, but there should be either a three liter turbo diesel V6 in Europe.

Then America is more likely to get the two liter in line for what is your 2.7 liter twin turbo common?

Are you making a joke about the original all road original man?

The all road belongs with the 2.7 liter turbo current A6 is sold as an all road.

Like I am.

But but even that doesn't offer the all road belongs as an unreliable twin turbo V6.

I do have to say, first off, I think that updated A6 new all road is the wagon.

I think there will also be an RS6.

I don't think we will only get the Audi A6 Avant as an all road.

I think we will get an RS6 at some point.

It's been very successful in the States.

I am curious, you know, my my I've had six Mercedes Benz E classes.

I've had every generation of E class.

I've had we own a current one and new one, but they ditched the third row.

And I'm very curious if we end up in an all road.

I think the all road looks better.

It's a lot cheaper.

Maybe it's just maybe it's time that neither car has a third row.

The new sedan is supposed to start at 65.

They have not announced the pricing on the all road, but assume a little higher.

So 70s.

The current all road starts at like 74.

This will be 75 76, but it's a lot cheaper than the Mercedes.

So that'll be interesting.

I don't plan on replacing my class wagon for a long, long, long, long time.

But at some point, you know, one day, maybe I walk away,

Ken and maybe I say goodbye to my beloved E class.

It's hard to imagine you're such a Mercedes guy.

I'm such an E class guy, specifically an E class.

Because you're down on the G wagon now.

Yeah.

No, no, I am a Mercedes Benz guy.

I agree with that.

But I've had six E classes.

Yeah.

But if you look at my Mercedes Benz history, it's like that G wagon.

I had one other G wagon years ago and then it's just E classes.

It's not it's not.

I've never really branched out.

That is interesting.

I mean, more power to you.

Some of us, we know what we're about.

We know what we're about.

We've got, we love a good E class.

Nick's got one now.

I drove it to the pod.

Had a great time in it.

I got two right now and I'll tell you, they're both great.

I haven't seen one of them.

In fact, it's still on the water, but they're both great.

It's still swimming.

I'm so excited for the the 210 that you're getting to see it and compare them side by side and just

have some fun.

We got to find out wagon theme adventure.

You're especially excited for the Supra.

Yeah, I'm especially excited for the 210 wagon.

The Supra is going to be cool.

Don't get me wrong.

I love the Supra.

The money is substantial for them.

I'm excited to drive one in stock format, assuming you'll throw me the keys.

But the wagon to me, I'm most excited for it because I could see myself doing that.

Okay.

A6 all road pump for that will be a fantastic experience for everybody, especially Nick.

Show us our next news story, please.

Oh, that's the really good.

Oh, another angle of the A6 all road.

AMG.

We'll bring you back to Mercedes Benz for you and Mercedes Benz guy.

Mercedes Benz has announced that over the next 36 months, the next three years,

they're going to produce over 27 new AMG models, which is a lot.

Now, this allegedly comes because Mercedes Benz and BMW have always kind of been after one another.

BMW has continued, M has continued to grow and grow and grow.

So like they've reached their 14th consecutive year of growth.

So 213,000 over 213,000 units last year, whereas AMG sold about 145,000 units.

So their solution for this is to throw AMG stuff at more cars.

What are we calling a BMW M?

That's what I, an actual M car, the WBS VIN.

Are you sure?

That's my understanding.

I have a very hard time believing that they sell more actual M cars than C 43s and GLA 45s or 43s

or 35s or whatever, all that base level stuff.

I have a hard time believing that.

According to the data I read, that's what it said.

So I'm not saying it's like an M235i.

They might be saying like that that counts.

Yeah, marketing people go to market.

Marketing people go to market.

But nonetheless, Mercedes Benz is going to 71,000 M cars, 142,000 M performance cars.

So it's two to one, the M light BS cars, like the X3 M 50.

They consider the X3 M 50 to be the top selling M car.

That is tough.

But you know, it's a M propaganda, I guess.

But Mercedes Benz is going to be releasing a lot of new cars.

So they said they're going to be releasing their engines.

They're going to reduce their engine variance though, from 10 different variants down to four,

which is quite a reduction, but it kind of makes sense.

It used to be one.

Right, exactly.

You're right.

55 guys, it used to be one.

I know what you're saying.

But there are cars that we've been waiting for, like a new E 63.

We've been waiting for that for a while.

But they said there'll be a, the cars that kind of, it's a G 63 convertible, a new black series,

which we've kind of lightly touched on C 53, GLC 53, so on and so forth.

And of course, they're kind of electric SUV variants of, you know, like they make four

variants of the E class, right?

The E 53, the E 63, the E 33 wagon, the E 63 wagon.

Nonetheless, AMG rocking it, they will continue to be every time a new Mercedes Benz model comes

out, there will be an AMG version.

I'm waiting for an AMG Sprinter, Nick.

I imagine you agree.

That would be sick.

By turbo, a 65 version of it.

Yeah.

And the MyBock version of that, which people do aftermarket, but yeah, I agree.

And give me a look for an high roof.

4x4 squared Sprinter.

I mean, there's so many possibilities.

They did announce the GLE 63 and GLS 63.

Both are getting the flat paint crank V8 for 2027.

So that's two down of the 27, the AOS 25 more.

Plus, that could be more than that.

Plus, yes.

So we'll certainly say, but I don't know.

I'm here for more AMG products.

I like their cars as a former owner myself.

I think they do make.

That's right.

I do.

I am, you know, with the M cars, I still feel like it's a little bit more driver centered

considering BMW M still offers a manual transmission and some few variants, but they still offer

one which is cool, a Mercedes Benz has not offered a manual and a car in a really long time.

So different perspectives, but you know, nonetheless, like I'm happy to see more AMG stuff around.

You know, I think it's cool.

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Time for our Talk Cars segment where we talk about cars.

What do we get to talk about?

Kenan, why don't you start us off?

Well, I'll take it away.

So there's lots of good news in my world all around.

So the first thing I want to say is I just want to thank everybody who reached out of the launch of my new thing.

I've had over 80 submissions of cars to me.

Some are saying yes to, some are great fits, some aren't quite the right fit,

just depending on where people are and then value-carned things.

But it has been overwhelming, the positivity that people have sent.

People have emailed me and told me that it's a huge inspiration that I'm doing this.

And I am so humbled.

I genuinely am.

It was way better than I was expecting and I'm truly, truly grateful.

So I've got a lot of cars that are coming.

I've got a couple cars that are inbound soon and wrapping some contracts up on stuff that's coming.

Really cool, interesting stuff.

There's a little Samira that's going to go live relatively soon that the photographer is finished on.

I have a Bentley that's arriving.

You got any stupras?

You know, I already did that for you.

I handled that last week.

And I think that proved a good idea.

Good 30 seconds, I got one.

He got it delivered, done.

You know, that's, that's, that's, that's how it works.

Can I tell you, can I tell you something else I'm looking for that you can find for me?

Sure.

A really clean Evo 8 in a bright color.

Oh, that's interesting.

Okay.

Can you?

I'll see what I can do.

I mean, you know, you have two cars you haven't seen, but sure, I'll add a third to that.

That was why not.

Yeah.

And I got to go get a Jeep any day now.

I got to go, and when it rains, I'm going to go get a Jeep.

And you, you're just buying, you're just buying cars.

No, that'll be a lease.

That'll be a lease.

That's fair.

As it rust away on Nantucket anyway.

Christ or financial will buy that one.

I'm glad to hear that.

That's wonderful.

It sounds great.

It sounds like things are moving along.

Kennan R, Kennan is going to be auction representing.

Ken, you want to sell a car, don't sell it normally.

Sell it with Kennan.

That should be your tagline.

Don't think.

You want to sell a car, don't sell it normally.

Sell it with Kennan.

Nick, you like that?

You don't forget the R.

Kennan R.

Nick likes to keep pointing that out like I'm a pirate.

But thank you.

Thank you for the ad.

I really appreciate it.

But again, like I'm just genuinely humbled and it's been really positive for me.

People love the Kennan.

What can you say?

I love the people and I love the enthusiasts and I definitely love the cars.

But another big piece of good news happened in my life this weekend.

Lewis Hamilton won the Spanish Grand Prix.

Finally, Lewis won not only a race in a little while in his career,

it's been quite a dry spell, but a first actual race, not a sprint race for Ferrari.

And the world rejoiced.

I think everybody was happy about that.

You know, when Lewis started, I don't know anything about Formula One,

don't watch it, had no idea this happened.

But when Lewis started last year, I told you that he was too old and would not be winning.

And you were like, we'll see.

But I've been right.

Well, you know, he did win.

So like there's like, it only took him 18 months.

How's he doing in the standings?

Is he going to like win the whole thing or I imagine not?

Well, he's he's he's doing quite well.

He's second right now.

Isn't that right, Ryan?

Ryan's the other F1 fan or third?

How's he second?

He's only won one race.

Well, it's it's there've been a variety of winners.

Kimmy Antonelli from Mercedes-Benz has been really been crushing it.

Nick and I, let me tell you something.

It's early in the season.

We're also the point system is due to some controversy in the Middle East.

We lost two races and had to take a sabbatical in the middle of the season,

which is a little abnormal.

So they haven't been as many races now as there would have otherwise been,

which is part of why this is the case.

But nonetheless, I watched Nick and I watched NASCAR in the moonshine days.

And back then he used to be obvious who won.

You know what I mean?

He used to be obvious who was leading in the points.

It was the guy who transported the most moonshine.

Am I right, Nick?

Yeah, sure.

Right. Exactly.

The other interesting stuff, you know, Ferrari has been known on the F1 side

to shoot themselves in the foot with bad strategy decisions.

It's been like a whole thing.

They maybe got a little bit of a help from a good safety car that he could pit,

basically get a free pit stop and that helped them win.

But it made me think, okay, they've shifted their strategy blenders from Formula One.

They're now kind of doing what they should be.

And they moved that over to the whole lucha program.

So maybe I can forgive the lucha if they want to take all their dumb ideas

and funnel it into EVs, right?

Ferrari was founded as a race team and the cars were just there to support the race team.

So if they want to start winning F1 again, do whatever you want with EVs.

No, you hit it on the point.

Jeremy Clarkson made this point many years ago.

He said, when the road cars are good, they suffer in Formula One.

And when the Formula One cars are good, the road cars suffer.

So the road cars are going to have a little bit of a tough time at the lucha.

And Lewis has all the fun races.

Well, this win brought to you by the SF 90.

I'll tell you this.

I'm proud of Lewis.

I personally haven't accepted any Barcelona GP since they left Montchouc.

I don't know what I'm talking about.

But I'm happy for Lewis and I'm happy for Ferrari, except for all the tumult

in the road car division as you bring up.

And I think that I speak for Kenan when I say that I would prefer racing success

to road car success.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like the old stuff.

So it works out well for me.

The cars were already built.

Now we just want to win.

That's right.

It's ironic that they care to win anymore considering they're making this electric

hatchback thing.

Does anybody give you know what I mean?

Like it doesn't even matter to the people who are going to be buying that trash, right?

I didn't agree more.

That's true.

But I mean, think about it.

The lucha could have, if Ferrari can pull it off.

And I really want to see Lewis win his eighth championship to become the most successful driver

in history.

I think actually a lot of people actually do kind of want to see a loan from Merceda.

What are you talking about?

What about Schumacher?

You don't want Schumacher to be the most successful driver in history?

Well, they're tied.

They're tied with seven world championships between them.

And Lewis has been around longer and has racked up more accolades as a result.

But I mean, he still is performing at such a high level.

So I've, you know, it just made me really happy.

Not only see the Ferrari on the top, but also like I've never been a diehard Lewis Hamilton fan.

I'm happy he races in my colors now.

But like, you know, I'm really happy.

When is the last time Ferrari won an F1 race?

Carlos Sainz two years ago, right?

Isn't that right?

I believe that was a, yeah, it's actually wrong.

It's been a minute.

Oh man, I Google it and it says it yesterday at the Barcelona.

Nice. Yeah. That's right. Don't even forget it, buddy.

It was the problem with AI.

This is the problem with AI.

Well, it's not the thing that's accurate.

Meanwhile, they don't recognize that I don't support the Barcelona Grand Prix since it left Montchouac.

Okay. We want to move on to the other cars that was a big deal in Nick's world.

Nick, tell us.

Oh my God. The world stopped over the weekend.

Everyone stopped what they were doing.

And not because of Lewis Hamilton.

It was bigger than that.

Bigger than that.

Although a problem for our, he's had in the past.

We had an Italian car burned to the ground on TV.

So Stratmans, OG Gallardo, what started the channel,

he famously like after he quit his job, basically like lived out of this thing.

It had gone through a number of iterations,

including a big turbo build that went pretty wrong.

It then got a new motor after that went wrong.

He was just driving it around.

Who did the new motor?

Who did the new motor that bled up?

I believe it was done by Royalty Exotics in Vegas.

And then the turbo build was done by that.

But Stratmans made it very clear.

He doesn't blame any of the people that had touched it.

It had been leaking power steering fluid.

And there was a puddle in his garage and he was driving it anyways.

He went to, I believe, Raising Canes to go get some takeout for him and his girlfriend.

And when the car caught on fire, he didn't have a fire extinguisher.

So he used the Coke zero to try to put it out.

And the Ferrari cover that was.

Yeah. And yeah, he tried to do the blanket.

He tried his best, but the whole thing is on camera, which is just unreal.

You hear of exotic cars burning down.

Maybe you see one, but to have it on video and then watch him vlog as these random good

Samaritans come with fire extinguishers to put it out and then the cops come.

And then Sophia comes with a TRX and a flatbed.

You watch the whole thing unfold.

It is just the wildest 13 minute vlog I've ever seen.

It was a little bit wild.

I watched the video.

I rarely watch videos.

I watched the video.

And I was thinking to myself, I am glad that I'm not a vlogger because he's sitting there.

The car is burning down and he's like filming.

Not I don't begrudge him this.

I just I feel bad for him.

He's sitting there like having to film this whole thing because he knows he's going to need

the footage.

And I'm like, this is not a moment that I would want to be sitting there trying to like grab

my phone.

Like I would want to be dealing with it in other ways, not on camera,

not showing the world how I'm thinking.

Because this car has been like integral to his entire career and his whole story arc and all that.

Definitely not what I would want to be like thinking about while my car is burning down.

Maybe you've had a couple of cars catch fire.

Like could you imagine, you know, getting a camera and doing that whole situation?

You know, it's funny having had my fair share of car troubles.

My thought was I would have let that thing burn to the ground.

Like at some point you don't even want to try to save it.

And just say like some sort of sentimental attachment to the car.

Definitely his most sentiment.

Like it definitely not his fastest car or best car or anything like that.

I'm pretty sure it's his most sentimental, most like connected to car.

It would be like the E39 burning down.

Yeah, I can.

And tell us, tell us, take us through the E39 and five starts catching on fire.

You make YouTube videos.

Do you get out your camera and start filming it right there on the roadside?

No, I hope that it maintains power.

The dash cam catches it.

But other than that, no, I like I would just focus on trying to save the car.

I do keep a fire extinguisher in my car, which I think this underscores,

especially with older cars, even ones that are relatively reliable.

A, if there's a problem with it, don't drive it.

Just fix it, especially if it's a flammable liquid that's on the ground.

Maybe get that fixed before you take it out to get racing gains.

But the other thing is that having a fire extinguisher in your car at all times,

especially if it's older and you really love it,

you know, if you can catch the firewall, it's small, then it's worth repairing.

But when it gets to this level, like that is coming out the intakes and the wheel well,

it's like, you know, it's a big, big scary thing.

He has a car mounted on the wall.

It's currently an old Formula One or Indy car.

I can't remember which, but all the comments are like, oh, this is your new wall car.

And that would be a cool, like turning it into an art piece or something.

It would be because you bet he fixes it.

This car has already gone through a lot of trouble.

Like I don't, I don't, resurrecting it at this point is it's maybe, it's maybe too far.

I mean, you can do it and it's going to make for a good series, whatever happens.

And maybe he sends it down to our buddy Rich rebuilds who Rich rebuilds it.

Oh, that'd be sick.

He doesn't rebuild poor. Am I right?

That's right.

Kavarj was in the comments as well.

So yeah, there are some people raising their hands.

I disagree with you on the whole vlogging thing.

So as someone, a fellow enthusiast of takeovers, like you and Jason Camisa,

the problem is that the footage from those events are never that good, right?

Like either people aren't filming or the ones that are filming,

like don't even know which orientation for the phone and are just like yelling into it.

We got like production, the production quality of watching the Gared up,

Burnt into the ground is extremely rare to like see it, feel it, like experience it with them.

Like I truly, there was one part where he kind of like started to choke up and like

was just like so overwhelmed.

Like I just, I felt the same roller coaster of emotion.

Listen, I thought it was great.

It was interesting to watch it as a watcher.

I just feel for him, I feel like I'm sad that your life involves,

you have to, your first thought when your beloved car is burning down is,

I'm not going to, you know, instead of running around to the next door to all the businesses,

try to find a fire extinguisher, screaming in the street or calling for fire.

My first thought is let's get out the camera because my audience has to see this, you know?

Like I, it's, it's, it would just be hard.

I think that life, lifestyle would be kind of challenging.

I feel that, but I just, mostly I just feel for him and I feel that I remember vividly

when he bought this car.

It wasn't that long after I bought my M5 and, you know, it's just like,

I understand the sentimentality around it and it's, it's just sad to see a car,

you know, go down like that.

You know, when Thomas Edison's laboratory caught on fire,

he was quoted as saying, go get your mother and all her friends.

They'll never see a fire like this again.

Right. This, Stratman did us all a Thomas Edison here and basically said,

I'm going to gift the world watching a guard up, burn to the ground.

That is now off my bucket list and thankfully it's not my guard.

Oh, so thank you.

Hop into the comments on this video and write that as a comment.

Go get your mother and all her friends.

You'll never see a fire like this again.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's that, that quote works a lot of different levels, I think.

Thomas Edison quote.

Not what I was expecting from you.

I want to talk TTRS.

I see there's some TTRS activity for those of you, long time,

not who I've met a long time,

your long time viewers know about it.

Now Nick is well known in the Audi community because he money shifted to TTRS

and do the motor a year ago.

And now it looks like he's thinking about getting a new one.

Nick, tell us about that.

A buddy of mine called me over the weekend at the dealership floor.

He's like champing at the bed like, should I buy this?

And I told him the slowest breaks.

Like the price they're asking for wasn't like, good.

I go, there's one on cars and bits.

And so I went to go look at it for him because it happens to be local

and in Sanita, California, owned by a professional snowboarder,

a dude who I like was super stoked at me.

So I'm like, I will go look at it for you.

It is the next generation.

So automatic only, which means I cannot money shift it.

I think that that's okay.

It's full circle.

Yes, it's full circle.

It's modded much like mine was.

It has HREs, the MSS lowering springs.

But I told my buddy because he doesn't want the mods.

I will own it for you for a bet.

I will reverse mod it for you.

And then I will ship it to you in Chicago, however you like.

So I'm trying to finagle a deal in which my buddy pays for the TTRS

and I get to drive it and enjoy it for like a summer as an automatic.

And I can non money shift a DSG TTRS that is tuned and modded.

So you want to take this one?

All I'm going to say is genius.

I know.

Go get your mother and all her friends.

Another example of how Nick is Kramer.

I'm going to, all I'm going to say is, I think that it would be,

if you're going to get back into the TTRS community,

I think it would be good to do it with an automatic, much like your SLR.

I think that that's the best way forward for you with sports cars.

Let me just, I'm just going to, that's diplomatic.

I'm just going to say that that's the best way forward with you for performance cars,

automatics.

Yeah.

Well, that's so you say as a person who's manually converted two cars,

I don't necessarily think that is correct.

But sure, there I accept all transmissions.

You manually converted two cars and you engine converted your TTRS after money shifting.

So you've actually done a lot of great.

We use the same engine.

We just enhanced it.

We, we put in some sleeves and ARP hardware and so on.

And a lockout or two.

Truly never happened.

It truly never happened.

You can continue to insist that I money shifted it.

I am a professional driver on a closed course.

So disagree.

It never happened, but by God, I'm trying to get the automatic version now.

I just would be so excited to have another TTRS.

It sounds so cool.

And it's fun when you can.

I know you all did that like big event at velocity where it have you,

but like it's cool when the sellers are like, yeah, come check it out.

And then we just like chatted at the parking lot at Panic and Coffee for like an hour about

Audis and RS6s and TTRS and our aides.

And we knew a lot of the same people.

So it was like a fun way for me to meet one of my heroes because I grew up obsessed with snowboarding,

but like under the premise of like car stuff.

So I had just like a fantastic time.

You're going to pursue this car.

Is this actually going to happen where you have the car on Monday?

The auction ends tomorrow before this goes.

So on Thursday, before this goes live.

So if my friend Ted wins it, then we'll have to post and say that I'm going to let him

bid under his username because I'm too affiliated with cars and bids and all that.

But I adore this car and I'm really hoping come Friday,

I slash we have a TTRS in our garage.

Fingers crossed.

I slash we baby.

I slash we.

Those are my pronouns.

And I think it's the right TTRS for you, obviously also.

You mean that as an insult, but I agree.

This is the right TTRS for me.

I'm excited for it.

Time to move on to the market report, which of course is brought to you by cars and bids.

The reason that we're all here, cars and bids.

I want to talk about under $10,000 cars.

We had a few great sub 10k cars closed.

Nick, you watching these sub 10k's anymore?

Are you bigger and better than that?

Oh no, I'm all over it.

Nick, Ken and type in focus ST.

Let's start there.

We had a focus ST yesterday today.

I don't know when sell for 4700 United States dollars.

4700 United States dollars.

Now this car had problems.

It's got a bad car facts.

It's got old tires.

It's got a little rust, et cetera.

But this is a damn cool car that sold for 4700 United States dollars.

Okay.

That's that's a real thing that happened.

And by the way, this is a low result.

The car had issues, but there are other focus STs that are pretty regularly selling for between six and 10 grand.

Like if they're moderate, if they're rough, et cetera, et cetera.

But I mean, even it's slightly higher.

That is very bad news for me.

That's a great daily.

As we intend to sell our 2014 Ford Focus non ST.

And I'm hoping to get more money than that.

So I think I'm going to have a chat with my wife on what the realistic values are.

Okay.

So then pull up, then pull up Audi S6.

Kenan.

Oh, yes.

Now we just sold Nick.

We just sold an S6.

Oh my God, the V10.

V10 S6 for 7400 United States dollars.

What could possibly go wrong there?

7400 bucks, 435 horsepower V10.

Again, it had a bad car facts.

It says that the right height beam is in off the TPM.

S is in is is is a little bit faulty.

Again, the tires are old, but 7400 dollars.

I was a kid, by the way, cars at this price point had flaws.

Okay.

So that's still the case.

People are going to look people are going to comment and be like,

yeah, but it's going to blow up tomorrow.

Listen, it's sub 10 K.

Okay.

You're you're not getting a perfect car.

All right.

But this is a V10 S6.

Now type in protege, the other big sub 10 K sale.

This protege, this Mazda Speed protege just sold for $4,600.

Now, a Mazda Speed protege doesn't get a lot of love or excitement.

However, this was the predecessor to the Mazda Speed 3,

which is a car that a lot of enthusiasts love.

It had a turbo engine.

There were there were two special variants of this protege.

One was called the MP3, which didn't have more power, but this one did.

It was a turbo four cylinders, front wheel drive, but it's a turbo four,

just like the Focus ST.

And it just had a massive service.

It had a $7,000 recent service, new head gaskets,

new camshaft seals, crank seals, water pump, timing belt, all this stuff.

Spark plugs.

It was a big service.

So this car is ready to roll and it was a cool car.

I know it's old and it's got miles and all that, but it's 4,600 bucks.

And I'm reminded because every time we post some crazy result of some car with two miles,

we get all these Instagram commenters being like, the market is rolling.

And it's like, yeah, this STI with two miles just sold for 150 grand.

But there are still legitimate enthusiast cars sub 10.

They have been hit.

They have problems.

They are not as fast as modern cars.

Yes, all of that is true.

There are cars out there though that you can have fun with sub 10 K and they are on cars and bids.

Boom.

I had two more cars sub 10 K on my watch list that ended this past week.

Yeah.

2002 Lincoln Blackwood, reasonable miles, well presented, 6,600 bucks.

Finding a pickup truck, a decent pickup truck for 6,600 bucks is hard enough on its own.

You had along like a full size with a 5.4 liter VA like I'm into this.

At this point, you could use this for your landscaping business or what have you and like just be

imagine a landscape or something like that.

Blackwood, you'd absolutely.

For six grand, you're basically just buying a super crew F 150.

These were all two wheel drive.

But yes, I totally agree with your point.

Absolutely.

And then there was a Range Rover actually that sold for $3,200.

I mean, top of the line British luxury vehicle.

That's not a special rain.

Rovers are always selling for $3,200.

And that doesn't surprise me at all.

This one day you will see P 38s are going to be the cream of the crop, the most expensive.

And the buyer probably overpaid.

However, the other cars, the other sub 10 K cars are just a reminder.

And then people, whenever I talk about cheap deals in the market, people like, yeah,

but an S6 is going to blow up two seconds later.

Listen, we're sub 10 K. The cars are not going to be great cars.

They're going to be cars that are fun and you buy cheap and either you put money in

and make them nice or you roll the dice.

But nonetheless, there are good enthusiast cars to be had at affordable price points on this

site and elsewhere.

And every time anything sells for crazy money, some super low mileage car,

I just want people to remember that these cars are legitimately out there and legitimately cool.

Period.

And that argument that it could blow up applies to anything, right?

You could be Stradman's Gardo.

There's a stop sale on Jeep's right, Wrangler's right now saying,

park them outside and don't drive them because they might burn to the ground.

Like this applies to any car.

There's inherent risk when you buy a vehicle, especially an internal combustion engine vehicle,

which literally has explosions every time you turn it on that it might blow up.

Yeah.

Such as life.

Yeah.

I mean, I agree with that generally.

I mean, that's certainly what a used car salesman and an auction website would say,

hey, anything could happen to anybody at any time.

Those cars are obviously higher risk.

But who hasn't blown a motor or a trans once in their life?

You know?

You're right.

Who hasn't money shifted?

That was always true, though.

Even when I was a kid, a $10,000 used car was always a bit of a gamble.

Like they were not the cream of the crop.

They were not nice stuff even back 20 years ago.

Nonetheless, they are there.

And if you have only the car enthusiast marketers past me by can't afford anything,

there's stuff there.

There is still stuff.

You may not be able to afford what you want, but there is still cool stuff at a reasonable price point.

Not only the S6 had the V10 in there, the S8 did as well.

And those are also sub 10 K gettable, which I mean, just so luxurious.

Actually, I mean, I think this car is a test.

It's not 115,000.

I mean, like they're relatively, I've been told they're relatively reliable.

The engines are like solid.

It's a lot of the other stuff that is a little bit more questionable.

Surrounds it, but like the engine's pretty good.

But I wouldn't want to take the gamble if I was spending my last $7,400 on the car.

I agree.

But like, you know, if you've got like, there are exceptions, but you can make,

especially if you're an enthusiast who wants to work on the car and like learn all this stuff

yourself, there are ways around ways to do it.

I think it's cool that there are still cars out there like this and, you know, I'm into it.

Speaking of that vehicle, remember Mitchell Corman?

He drove the Audi R8 to the Arctic Circle on YouTube and it went super viral.

He just did that in a S8 V10.

He drove it to Labrador, which is the most Eastern point of North America, I believe.

But like, again, like I think he bought this car.

I think he said like well under sub 10, he had to do some work himself on it and it had

some issues along the way.

But again, just like how cool is that?

I love it.

Yeah.

It's a lot cooler and a lot of other BS you're buying at that price point.

Anyway, I'm happy that those cars are still transacting there and reminded every time anybody

accuses us of, oh, you're running up the value on the DSTIs by selling super low-moto.

There's still good stuff out there.

There's still stuff that sells affordably.

It exists.

I think people want to both be picky and be cheap.

That's just never been.

Amen, brother.

Right.

But that's never been possible.

Me and Flippo, that's our design brief.

We came out of womb and our mother said, let them be picky and cheap.

Lord.

The other thing that's interesting I thought last week was the NSX.

You see this, Kenan?

Yeah, I did see that.

This one.

Nick, you into this?

For $113,000, that's what this white NSX sold for, 22,000 miles on it.

That's a lot of performance for $113,000.

That's a really cool car.

Yeah, and it's got HREs, so Nick would like it.

Nick, you like this thing?

$113,000.

I mean, as the only non-Porsche person on this podcast, I would take this over a new 9-11 any day.

The only non-Porsche person, Nick, I got a Supra that you don't even accept

because it's not European enough for you.

You know what's interesting? There's levels of this, right?

There's the Porsche people, then there's the Euro snobs.

You all are those.

That's it. That's what you are.

And there's Doug floating free with his elephant.

Land of the plenty with many cars everywhere, including a Jeep Wrangler.

Yeah, when I think Doug DeMere, I think man of the people in budget cars.

That's not what I said.

I said land of the plenty.

Man pontificates from Nantucket about his Carrera GT making him not a Porsche man.

No, that's you're missing my point, Nick.

I definitely am.

And I think you're doing it willfully because you are such a deep Euro car snob.

Folks, we have a nice job.

I am more likely to be seen in a Necura than you are.

Okay.

I agree.

$113,000.

The opportunity cost of that $113,000.

The other cars you could buy at that price point, I don't think a look as compelling as that.

They probably won't be as reliable.

Like that is, to me, an exotic car for $113,000.

Even the GARD has now you can barely get for $113,000.

And that's going to be a terrible ownership experience compared to this.

Yeah, I think that these NFX's seem to be bargains.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret.

We actually missed this in the talk car segment.

A little secret about Nick.

Nick is looking for a new daily driver for his family.

I am.

He's looking for a three row sport utility vehicle.

And I'm going to read a direct quote that Nick said to us.

No, I get in trouble every time this podcast comes up.

Please be careful.

Man of the people, Nick.

Oh, no.

He said, his wife wants a three row, small three row.

We briefly discussed the Hyundai Santa Fe, which is a three row.

And my wife said, I can't go from a Porsche to a Kia.

Now I got a couple of problems with that.

First off, it's a Hyundai.

I don't even know where this came from.

Second.

You're kind of similar.

His wife is the same level of elitists that Nick is.

But then Nick also ended this very text by saying, which I respect.

She can't go from a Porsche to a Kia, which I respect.

Anyway, all the choices that Nick sent to us were Euro, of course.

And I'm sitting there telling him, get a Sequoia.

Get a Sequoia.

Really man of the people car.

We're not there.

Sequoia is a defect.

It's I want the four runner.

They do not make the four runner with a third row and the hybrid.

They do make the four runner with a third row hybrid.

It's called the Sequoia, baby.

You want it all?

I got it all.

The Sequoia is too big and obnoxious, much like you.

No offense.

You know, there are comments sometimes people see us talking

and their comments like, these guys hate each other.

Why did you think that?

I wonder to myself, like, do people not, I do think there is,

I'm going to get on a little generational horse here.

Do people not like chat?

Like, it's very clear to me that it's none of us,

not only do none of us mean the things that we say to each other,

but none of us even remember once the podcast is over

what we have said to one another.

That's true.

It's 100% true.

Funny enough, I have to watch on Friday to figure out

who I need to apologize to later in the day.

The worst part is, so I called Sean accidentally.

I was describing how the air suspension of my E55 didn't work well.

And what it was trying to describe is we had six dudes in there.

Including Sean in the trunk.

And I accidentally said he was a larger gentleman,

which I did, I just meant compared to the children

that would be in the back.

So I was like, Sean, I'm so sorry.

I listened to the pod.

I said that I didn't mean it in the way that it came out.

He didn't reply.

I then text him again Saturday.

I said, I'm so sorry.

Can we talk?

He's out to lunch with Kenan and one other friend.

And I wasn't invited and it was like a mile from my house.

I'm like, oh my God, he's actually mad at me.

I text him again.

I'm so sorry.

No reply.

It was not till Wednesday that he texts me saying, oh my God,

I'm so sorry.

I didn't see this.

I meant to reply and didn't.

Also to be clear, we left cars and coffee just wet right there.

It wasn't like a touch of I love it in your mind.

I spent a week thinking that Sean was literally giving me

the silent treatment because of like a comment that I made without thinking.

Maybe there is some.

Maybe there is.

It comes from this podcast.

Sean, I'm sorry.

Still on the back on the subject of the mark report.

And by the way, Nick, I wish you the best finding a Euro SUV for your family.

You know, the Lincoln Aviator has a plug in electric three row.

So we might consider Americans still.

And I honestly think that Jeep Grand Cherokee would be our top candidate

if it weren't for some reliability concerns.

But I know you're going to be concerned.

In other words, he doesn't want to buy American.

That's just something.

No, no, no.

Go to the Canon, go to the 340R.

What did this, what were, what were you thinking it would sell for?

I have no idea because it's not like they transact very often

and you talk about a niche.

The 340R is so cool, but you have to really want that driving experience.

It doesn't have doors.

You have to climb and stand on the seat and get in.

But that's pretty easy.

It's sold for what, 75?

It's sold for 75 grand, which I think for $75,000.

That is a really special unique driving experience.

And I actually think I think it's a value, to be honest,

but they just don't transact much because there haven't been many that have been imported.

There are only 340 of them.

And so like this, I think it's a good benchmark to start at.

And I think, again, this is a car you have as the fourth car.

This is not a secondary sports car.

You have to have some other stuff, I think, with like a roof.

I will say though, driving it was, the experience was easier than I expected.

Like it was actually a pretty easy car to drive.

Once you get past all of the impracticality, like in terms of steering and visibility,

like it was a pretty, unlike my Kuntas, which is like a hard car to get in and all that stuff.

Like this was actually a pretty drivable car.

I was kind of surprised by that.

Do you know that when I put up my video, a guy responded in the comments and said,

I have one of the only four 340Rs that were sold new in North America.

Lotus got some small volume exception and sold three of these things new in the United States.

You believe that?

No, I had no idea.

I had no idea.

Really? That is fascinating.

I mean, you talk about a car that could easily qualify for show or display based on its rarity and

especially this place.

Yeah, probably. Maybe. I mean, I don't know.

I figured, but I think it is cool as hell.

And like this is another one of the cars like I was just so excited to have on this.

Like it's 340R has been a legend forever.

So I think that is a good result.

Nick, you got 75 grain.

Would you buy this or a TT RS with a manual or automatic transmission?

I'm hoping we get a little better deal on the TT RS.

But you can still buy an Arial Atom 4 and the MSRP is 83,750.

So in theory, like this is going to be probably hold its value better.

It's a little bit more special, unique.

I'm sure a new Arial is probably better than this, but it probably is.

Although I agree with that.

It's an interesting point.

However, I would make the argument that once you are ruthless, windowless, doorless,

you experience.

I'm not saying that this and a Polaris slingshot are the same,

but I am saying like the majority of what your experience is, is related to the fact that you're

open rather than like the feel of the car.

Plus like things like panel gaps and like build quality kind of go out the door when you

even acceleration like you're joking.

But like even acceleration, like is it faster than an Arial Atom?

No.

Once you're doing fast and you have no anything, it doesn't really matter.

I drove an SP1, which is the same also would completely open car.

I drove an Elva and it's the same kind of thing if I'm honest.

And then Elva is like three mil same basic idea to be frank.

Wind.

At that point, it's just about like rarity and how it looks when you park it because your

feel is roughly the same.

Having seen that car in the cars and bids dungeon for the last couple months,

it is something to look at too.

Like it just, yeah, it is so cool.

And the blue Alcantara on the inside really pops.

I think even if you didn't drive it at all.

They made even less car, you know, that's already insane.

But I'm thrilled that we had it.

Thrilled that I got to drive it is a very cool car.

And I'm really glad I got to do a quirks and features video with it because it's really

quirky and weird.

The fact that that panel is like translucent, I mean, the whole thing is just bizarre.

It's so cool.

I've just been told the car is going to the Bay Area.

So if you live in San Francisco, keep an eye open for a 340.

To Ryan Lopez, that is the Pacific Northwest.

They're both places he doesn't need air conditioning.

All right.

You gotta move on to the questions.

The questions are great this week.

I only got through a few of them because they were so good.

I just kind of put them in and they're great.

And a lot of them, Nick, are really aimed at you.

They're real deep Nick question.

By the way, is Filippo done?

Does he not work for us anymore?

Is he, you know, he doesn't text us anymore.

He's in Italy.

Maybe he got kidnapped or something.

But is he still in Italy?

I mean, am I paying for this trip?

He's gone for months and months and months.

What's all that without his presence?

We are all paying for this trip.

I've missed him dearly.

So I can't wait for him to come back.

I'm sure he will not listen to this podcast.

And you know, I texted him the other day.

No response.

Text him again.

No response.

Maybe I upset him.

Maybe I said something.

Maybe.

Maybe you did.

Maybe we all did.

First question for Jacob from GN.

Dear Doug and Playgroup.

So true.

Why aren't modern Aston Martins more popular?

They're beautiful luxurious cars with great performance

and they haven't destroyed the image

like certain Italian car makers.

He's referring to Ferrari and the ass luce.

So why aren't Aston Martins more popular

and worth more on the secondary market?

It's an interesting question.

They've just never been.

Even though they're brand strong.

The brand is strong, but I think that one of the things

about them people are always potentially concerned

about is reliability.

But the modern ones with the AMG engines, it's like.

I would argue that the reason that the modern ones

with the AMG engines have not been particularly strong

is precisely because of that AMG engine.

It's just not, it's like I can get an AMG GT.

You know, I think it's not even reliability.

It's depreciation.

That's the, that was my next point.

Is that like the.

But that's his point.

I think his point is why the question at this or is asking

why are those depreciating and other brands are not?

I think because the Ferrari just has like such brand cachet.

Like it is so.

But doesn't Aston Martin.

Aston Martin has this big bond.

If you go to someone on the street.

James Bond is cool.

Ferrari or Aston Martin, they hold them

in similar regard like randoms.

True, but like for us car enthusiasts, like they're cool.

But Ferraris are like your heart burns for that car.

Like it's like that's the question for Luce.

I agree with you completely.

And I think that is, I think honestly, emotional desire is

the primary reason.

But I have to ask you, do you think that now that they've come out

with the Valhalla and the Valkyrie and the Valour,

do you have, have, have your opinion changed?

I think that it's, I respect them tremendously.

I respect them a lot.

I mean, you know, the fact they've gone to IMSO with an NAV12

and Lamar with an NAV12, that's.

That's just badass.

Like that.

I respect the hell out of that.

And so like I certainly value the brand more,

but I've always valued the brand like a lot.

Like I plan after the Viper, the next car one is a Vanquish.

No five Vanquish ass.

That's what I really want.

Because I just, I'll tell you what,

like I've driven 575 Vanquish competitors back to back.

The sound of the Vanquish, the looks.

I prefer a lot of aspects of that car to the 575.

575 is a better car and does say Ferrari on it.

But like, Aston is great.

But I don't know.

So what's our problem then?

What's our Aston Martin problem?

That car is definitely reliable.

But yeah, I just think it's.

You'll think Ferrari's are reliable.

Ferrari values are strong, even the really unreliable ones.

That's a fair point.

I think that I also wonder if that they,

I don't know what production numbers they like between the two.

There's just something,

Luke at the Monts is I'm a little mastered

making a Ferrari feel special in that year we grew up in.

I think that when you, there's definitely a heritage component.

There's definitely an emotional brand component.

I also think that when you target luxury more than passion,

luxury cars always depreciate and passion cars rarely depreciate as much.

But I do think that Aston Martin is unfairly,

unfairly targeted in the car world.

I think that their cars deserve to have stronger,

especially because they still do a lot of manual cars.

They still do a lot of actually pretty desirable enthusiast cars.

I do think that a attainable mid-engine manual transmission car,

an Audi R8 of the Aston Martin world,

would really go a long way towards getting a lot of people interested in the,

a lot of real enthusiast in the brand.

And my sense is that they wanted to do that with both Valhalla and Valkyrie.

And those cars both came in at a way to unattainable price point.

And I think that if,

I think that Aston maybe could have some effect on really getting into the

sink your teeth into the enthusiast world,

while Porsche's off making automatic hybrids that you can't access the engine bay.

And Ferrari's doing this, the Luce, which is the worst thing ever,

Aston maybe could go out and do that.

And I wonder if that's an opportunity that they should seize.

Now's the time, Lawrence Stroll, make it happen. This is it.

Well, I personally love the brand.

I hope to own, there are a couple of Aston's on my list.

I'd really like to own, you want to repeat.

Yeah, because they've depreciated heavily and are just hard to say no to.

Yeah. And in the whole Ferrari theory, if the road cars are good,

the race cars stink and vice versa.

I think Aston DNF or last and second to last in the previous couple of races.

So they've got some hope. The road cars are improving.

Just go new in Formula One over at Aston Martin.

Yeah. It's tough.

It's a tough situation. Yeah.

Adrian Newey not happy it sounds like over there is tough.

I think the depreciation thing is a hangover from the reliability of previous cars.

And then I think it's you get rich, you buy a Ferrari or a Lambo.

Like those are the two.

So this has to be like the fourth or fifth exotic car that you get before you kind of like

checked the boxes that the rich guy go fast boxes.

And I think that holds them back a ton where it's like, okay,

that the buyer pool of Aston's is really small where they're like tired of Ferraris.

The problem also is that like Aston doesn't really want to go after the like really crazy,

fast exotic. I don't think they think they can play there.

I think they think their space is the luxury exotic.

And by doing that, you're sort of opening yourself up to that depreciation.

And with their latest projects, I think they're wrong.

I think they could compete in that space.

And I think it would be pretty compelling.

But I will say when you look at Aston Martin on cars and bids, it is a sea of gray and black.

It's luxury cars.

I was going to say the Ferrari, it is a sea of red, exciting sports cars.

There are some black and silver ones in there too.

But like that the colored palette alone tells you a lot like between, you know,

about like lighting your heart and fire.

Your median price on that Aston Martin one is like 38 grand too.

Which again, the new cars, you look at the values of the used cars and say,

oh, these cars don't hold their value and it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

But I think if Aston Martin just stays in the game, they have a shot too, because Jaguar's

falling out like a couple of these brands go away and they have less competition.

That's the other problem.

Even if you want a British sports car, all right, you got Lotus, you've got McLaren,

you've got had Jaguar.

Like there are plenty of options.

And I think if they were the only British sports car, that might give them some traction

and they could really lean into the whole James Bond thing or what have you.

But I think McLaren having their moment kind of took away the opportunity Aston had to be

sort of the preeminent rich guy go fast out of Great Britain.

And I think they don't want it.

I think they want to be seen as more of a classy, luxurious, well-styled situation.

But it has been interesting watching them come with these super high-end exotics and...

I love them.

Yeah, same.

Next question from Felipe Lotus.

I see you guys like to sell your cars on cars and bids.

We've all sold cars on cars and bids.

But other than Felipe buying a GTI, you seem to find and purchase cars elsewhere.

Should we get the impression it's great to sell on your site,

but as a buyer, it's best to look elsewhere or for a deal.

If Nick bought a car and cars and bids.

And apparently tomorrow he's going to buy a TTRS.

I've bid on a lot.

I've bid on cars too that I genuinely went after and wanted.

I would argue though that it's not because we think it's a bad place to find a deal or a good car,

whatever.

It's more that we're very particular.

I would love to buy a car and cars and bids.

I went out looking for a super.

I wanted a red manual.

It's very uncommon to find the kind of stuff that we have started looking for basically anywhere.

Even Kenan with the Viper, he was pretty specific.

There's a couple of model years, no modifications, certain color, etc.

If you wait around, if you are that specific, it can be a while before a car like that comes

up on cars and bids.

And I find us to be a relatively impatient lot.

And I also find us to be a lot that's willing to change tech based on Nick especially,

if the wind blows a different way.

Maybe there's a convertible Range Rover I can get.

Well, I think not as a flex here, but for better or worse, we are now at a stage where cars tend

to find us because of the podcast and other things.

And so if you can get a non-publicly transacted car that's really rare and you don't have to

compete against others and someone's just like, hey, I'm trying to like, literally someone emailed me

this week saying, if you want to give up on your P38, I have a G500.

I will sell to you cheap.

And it's like, yeah, if it went on cars and bids, he would get more money.

If I can get a pocket deal here, like maybe that is like, I'm not.

No, is what I told him.

But like if cars find you, it's kind of a nice thing to do.

Nick, take that deal.

You get out of your P38, which is trash, and you get into a G, which is great.

They're great cars.

It's so great that Doug is going to get rid of his and never touch a G again.

And it's the worst thing that's ever happened.

And the tirade he went on the other day in our friend chat was rough.

So definitely get one of those.

Sean couldn't handle it.

He couldn't handle it.

Surely you can.

My P38 and I was a glove box.

It's pretty sorted.

Luxury.

You know what's sad about my G, Ken, and it's the last car that I was a hold over

from before the cars and bids era.

The Ford GT is, you know.

And so if the G goes, there will just be that one car left.

And the Ford GT, if the right heritage comes along, is not looking great with that one either.

So yeah, I really want a heritage now.

I'm off white.

I want a heritage.

I'm not going to spend for it.

The other corollary here is you all have a rule that you can't bet on a car and cars and bids

unless it's no reserve, which does limit it because not everyone runs no reserve.

Ken and I are now able to do whatever we want and go willy nilly.

But Doug, you especially have to be careful on bidding on things because seeing your username

on an auction could sway the results.

So you got to like, be serious.

I don't like to bid.

I don't like to bid because for that reason, I don't want, and I don't want the seller then

to be upset.

I think that sometimes if people saw that they were bidding against me either for financial

reasons or because it's like the guy who owns the site, oh, I'm going to defer to him.

People might bail.

And I don't want the seller then to be like, hey, you tanked my auction because you bid

and people didn't want to participate.

And I don't even necessarily think that would be true.

But I do think that's an argument that sellers could make and it could be a real possibility.

And so I would prefer generally prefer not to buy on cars and bids if I can avoid it.

I will say there are some cars that have come up recently that I've been like,

I'm going to throw it all.

Rasket.

Forget it all.

I'm going to do it.

But I definitely don't want to be accused of meddling with the process.

And I think that that could be a legitimate accusation someone could throw against me if

I'm bidding with my username for sure.

I had that happen with a Z4M Coupon I was bidding on on Hawaii actually that you encouraged me to

bid on.

And I started bidding on that car and that was exactly what someone said.

They're like, wait a minute.

They said, they realized like, oh, well, he works for the site.

Like I'll probably kick it.

Then they're like, wait a minute.

I'm just going to keep bidding.

And so the guy came back and he commented this and like, then he just came back and

kept bidding.

And that was the guy who ended up winning the car.

I just went a little higher than I wanted to.

But yeah, all the points you guys said on are correct.

Personally, I think both of you are operating in an abundance of caution there.

The more bidders, the better.

If I were the seller, but I respect that you guys have rules and boundaries and like

want to avoid even the appearance of foul play.

I think that's the right move.

But like personally, if I ever run a car with an reserve, you're welcome to bid on a duck.

I appreciate that.

That's definitely what the cars that Nick will have to offer.

I'm sure I do.

I want cars that I myself to previously own.

Nick, you should get a G wagon for that reason.

Go down my road again.

Come on.

Yeah.

Big words from someone who just bought a 210 E 55 wagon.

Nick, you think about leasing and Wrangler too?

You think about leasing.

I would get a grand Cherokee four by E.

They don't sell anymore.

All right.

Next question from they would for me.

Someone wants to place an order.

Oh, it's open again.

Here we go from JB 1016.

Dear Doug, can you talk about your feelings toward Volkswagen?

It's a brand with a huge enthusiast following, but you've only had one.

I had a Mark five GTI and you can't seem to hide your contempt.

Like Calcari's a Volkswagen guy.

I want to be clear about this.

I do not love.

I don't love when an enthusiast is into one brand.

If any brand, it's not my thing.

I joke about our friend group, which is funny because we have incredibly diverse car tastes,

but it's still not diverse enough for me.

Like I like SUVs, pickup trucks, cars, sports cars, sedans, wagons, luxury.

I like everything and I do not identify well with people who are enthusiasts of one brand.

And Camisa's got to say some Volkswagen's and BMW's.

That's fine.

I mean, I don't care.

It's not like you should change because I told them to.

I just, for me personally, I like a good variety of persons.

So Volkswagen guy is a derisive term for Camisa.

But if it was Honda, then I would say he's a Honda guy.

You know, like it's just not, I just really believe that like a true, my love of cars is like deep

and pure and all-encompassing in a way that I just don't get when people are singular brand people.

That's my answer to that.

I think, I mean, yeah, because I think the thing you discount from that is if they grew up with a car,

that's what they love, know.

And so they've gotten deeper into that and I respect that a lot.

And honestly, also like people may not have the capacity to have to memorize every detail

about every single car that's ever been built.

Like they're just like, they're things that, you know, either suit their needs or suit their tastes.

And I think that's fine.

Like, I, yeah, but having 12, it's fine.

Yeah, but having 12 is fine.

I'm not wanting to move on.

I just, it's not my thing.

And it's not what, and so I'm always going to, whenever I have, whenever I meet someone or know someone

who's had 10 of the something, I always, whenever they talk to me, I'm always taking a little bit of a,

have that bias in my mind.

This person is talking as someone who is into this type of car.

And I am not into any type of car.

By the way, I grew up with a Mazda Tribute.

Right.

Congratulations.

Three later.

Yes.

I just, you know.

That's not a Volkswagen.

Just for your awareness.

Well, he was talking about cars people grew up with.

What about the Ford Escape Twin?

What if you grew up with a Tribute Mariner or Escape?

We, I grew up with a first gen, first model year VW Turig.

Fantastic vehicle.

Dealer might have bought it back 18 months later, but it was lovely when it worked.

I made the mistake of doing that.

I think I was really into Audi's.

They become familiar.

And then you become part of the guy's part of an Audi group,

but then all my friends at Audi's.

And I see how you fall into that trap where you're just sort of like,

I'm going to stay with the four rings.

And also they were all great cars.

You got the scan tools.

Yeah.

My back-com tool alone was just, I knew how to do all the mods.

It was great and that does build some loyalty, much like flying an airline, I suppose.

But I am really happy now that I've experienced more variety and sure I will

put an American car or a Japanese car on that list.

If anything, just to try it.

And if I don't like it, fine, I'll sell it.

He's not going to do that, folks.

Nope.

He's going to buy another P38 Range Rover.

Yes.

Next question, from this a good question actually to ask with Filippo not here,

from sob 95 or sob 95.

Dude, what is the consensus on owning a sob these days?

Are they cool and unique or are they just a weird brand for eccentric people?

It's an interesting question.

There was a long time where they were cool and unique and kind of fun and quirky.

But they've gotten so old now that it's gotten harder to do it.

Which to me, I respect even more.

It means you really love and like…

To an extent, but I do think it has also sussed out some of the quirky people who would have had them.

When they weren't, they always had this reputation of being architects and designers drove sobs.

Now you have to be like a pretty legit like find in your own parts on eBay type of dude to make it work.

And I still think it's cool.

I feel like there's special cars, but it definitely,

it's definitely become much more of a niche than it was.

When I was a kid, sobs were a different, just another luxury brand like Audi.

Yeah.

It's definitely gone in a different direction since they haven't existed in 15 years.

Man, it's been that long.

You ever think about a sob, Nick?

Nope.

I…

It is a deep Filippo car though.

I mean like what you're describing slightly contrary and once a deal like…

Slightly.

It fits a certain type of person now and I don't think it's just sports car buyer.

It's someone trying to make a statement almost.

One and nine.

Yeah, we're still up.

Uh, next question.

This one is for you, Nick from CalliAce.

Hello, Doug and the gang.

It seems several of you are in need of a new daily driver.

Seeing as some of the more interesting electric cars have fallen into a more intriguing price

point, is there a chance someone on the team will go electric?

Nick, what about that?

You're looking for a new family car.

Have you thought about a used electric car at a good price?

I have and I still love that idea.

I'm not sure if my wife's on board.

The ID buzz is up there again because I'm looking for people mover.

Yeah, what about that?

Get a nice Euro car.

Why not?

Across Turismo.

Yes, a Euro car of course.

What else do we look at?

R1S.

I'm still really into.

You know, honestly, the Model X, as much as I'm not, I hate those doors, but they're cheap,

man.

They are so cheap for just like a drop the kids off, but it's got to have three rows.

Three row, pure EVs is not a terribly popular or large segment, but I think the R1S would be

the top of my list.

They haven't really depreciated as much as some of the others and the ID buzz is still too new.

Like someone claimed that you could get them for like 30 or 40.

I can't find those.

I can't replicate that.

They're still mid 50s.

You can do it, but it's like a base, base, base, base model that you probably wouldn't want.

You want multicolor.

We're almost there.

If I were okay with the sedan, it would be the Audi RS E-tron.

You can get those dirt cheap.

They look amazing.

It would be a great commuter.

Those are great Euro car choices.

Ken, have you ever thought about going electric?

Yeah, one of the electric cars that's really appealing is the Audi RS GT E-tron.

Is there however it's...

I've heard of those.

I've heard someone else recently tell me that those are desirable and appealing cars.

I think it is.

I think it's one of the most attractive four door cars.

He pulled a nick and tuned out while I was talking.

I absolutely know what you're saying, but that's like that for me is like...

Am I a woman?

Are you going to take my ideas and claim them as your own now?

Oh, my...

All right, Nick.

But no, I genuinely think that's like one of the only cars I can think of or EVs that I'd actually like.

Genuine ones on.

I could see you in an i3 as a daily.

So i3 is another one.

The only thing I'm really concerned about with that is insurance because it's a carbon tub.

So anything happens with that, my understanding.

Well, they're five brands, so what you do is you don't insure it.

Right, so I don't know.

That would be cool.

I was considering...

I don't know about how you guys feel, but I was considering getting an Audi E-tron GT RS.

I don't know how it's supposed to be said.

I completely too next to us trying to think of any others that I liked.

And it's like...

There aren't that many.

Like, I don't know.

It will happen one day when the Roofing R3 comes out.

I really want one of those because I like that car a lot.

I will tell you this, people.

I will buy an EV.

When Mercedes-Benz makes an E-Class station wagon electric.

Yep.

I could see you in the escalate IQ.

You seem like the kind that want to flex in the pickup drive there.

The kids pick up.

You're giving me crap.

You're over here trying to get a Model X with your doors.

I'm a man of the people.

I would be getting a Silverado RS work truck probably.

Nick, real question.

If you got that Model X you're lusting after.

Would you get one of those we bought this before we knew Elon was crazy bumper stickers?

100%.

His wife would make him do it.

There's no question.

I wouldn't get it.

The doors alone are a deal killer on it.

I'm just saying they're a deal if you just want like a SUV commuter.

I will only get an electric.

I would have bought an i5 electric wagon, by the way.

Oh, yeah.

I want an electric.

Now that we're having a third kid, things are a little bit more challenging.

But I will get an electric E-Class wagon.

Give me, feed me an electric E-Class wagon and I will buy it.

The world has learned that the only way I'll buy cars is if their Mercedes-Benz E-Class is.

So if you want me to go into the next thing, get me an E-Class station wagon.

You have the electric G-Wagons come down at all in the used market?

They have not, but they will because they're into that.

Shockingly not that desirable.

I want to do two more questions.

Two more questions.

One is for Whistlin.

This is a question for Doug, but this is really a question for Nick and Kenan.

Dear Doug, who do you, if anybody, let drive your special cars?

What are your criteria for making decisions?

Does insurance limit anybody from driving your cars?

Nick, have you ever driven any of my cars?

4GT.

I drove the 4GT, stalled it out and it's a car which you're in the world to drive.

You have to both turn the key and push a button.

And I kept turning the key and nothing happened.

I didn't see the button.

But it was.

So I stalled out backing into a car show and then like everyone's staring at me

and I'm just sitting there not able to turn it on.

And then I have to roll down the window and yell, Doug, can you turn the car on please?

He opened the door, which like getting into a parking spot.

It was a hard situation for a cell of witness.

And I got to drive your Qantasch very briefly, picking it up from service.

For some reason you needed me to do that instead of flatbedding it or finding something else.

But I wanted the excuse to drive a Qantasch.

It was a pretty special moment, but those are the only two.

And oh, I drove your A-Class.

That was pretty neat on a racetrack.

Doug doesn't let me drive any of his cars.

I've only driven two.

I've driven the A-Class and the the E450 all turn.

That's it.

Really?

That's it.

I don't want the responsibility.

A lot of people are cool with people driving their cars.

It makes me a little bit more nervous.

It's hard.

My cars are hard to replace.

And there's some of them, a couple of them are really expensive.

And I think that that's a real burden you put on someone.

And I think that people are like, oh, man, it's so cool.

You let you drive your Carrot GT.

Well, that's cool right up until it crashes.

And then it ends a friendship.

And more.

I mean, can you write a check for that?

Can I?

Like it's obviously it's insured, but like what does that mean?

What happens next?

You know, it's an interest.

It's not a great scenario to be in.

And I just would rather not have it occur.

I don't really have problems.

Yeah.

I'm pretty generous with lending my cars out.

And Nick takes the opposite approach.

Yeah.

He says, yeah.

I would let anyone drive my 993 Turbo.

Does anyone want to?

Guys, do you want to drive my 993?

I would be down to take a spin and see how overvalued that car is.

I've offered that car to several of my friends,

and no one seems to be particularly interested in driving the 993.

I love 993.

It's funny.

I lent out my SLR to Brayden the other day.

He was like, oh, I want to just take it out to this like car show.

And I'm like, sure.

And it's like at this Boba place.

And there's like, he sent me a picture.

There's like, trance music and like, me-ons and foam,

or not foam machines, fog machines.

And I'm like, my God, when you said car show,

I thought something totally different.

That's the kind of show Brayden's going to go to.

You got to know that going in.

What did you think he was going to take it to like a luxury goods show?

Like, like it was going to be like high end.

I wasn't expecting a concor, but I just didn't think that like,

it would be like the bow buns crowd.

Like I just sort of expected it.

Brayden is our link to a world that we left behind.

That's what you need to remember.

I think it was cool to see it there because it just looks so out of place and so many levels.

But he had a good time.

And then he's like, he's very careful.

Like he texts me, all right, I'm there.

I'm returning.

It's back safely.

And then he wipes it down.

Like he runs a detailing shop.

So I kind of get a free detail out of it.

So it works out great.

But at least finish off of off of Carol.

And importantly, he asked for permission every time and I give it to him.

So like, like if your shop is taking your car against your knowledge, that's one thing.

If you're like, no, I would love that.

He always gives me like really cool pictures he takes on his fancy camera.

Like I'm pumped on it.

And I think it's so cool to let other people experience the cars.

Like it means so much to him.

And for me, it's like great.

I don't care if you put on three miles driving it to a boba tea place and convoi street.

I have to tell you, I am legitimately and truly sad that my friends do not get to experience

the Carrera GT.

I truly believe that the Carrera GT, how I have it set up, is probably the greatest

driving car that I have ever driven.

I mean that with all the sincerity in my heart.

And it is, I am sad that my friends and people that I think really would appreciate it have

like Sam as his mid-engine boxer.

I think that would be cool for him to have that experience.

I think both of you would get a lot out of it.

I really think it is special.

I don't want that.

The punch is pretty grand.

Yeah.

I don't want it.

Yeah.

It's like, I've also no offense, I've driven Carrera GTs before, but like not yours that

up the way it is.

He's driven at high speed.

I obey the laws of course.

Tug use footy.

You're going out of going beyond the spin with don't be ridiculous.

I will say I have been lucky.

I mean, I've ridden in the car when you have pushed it.

So I get it.

I just don't want the responsibility of a two and a half million dollar car.

Everybody I've ever even intimated maybe driving that car is like I'd rather not.

And I agree.

Like I don't like driving the cars for videos.

If it wasn't for videos, I wouldn't drive a CLK GTR.

And it seems really cool when you're 22.

Oh man, are you going to drive?

It's not all that cool when like life is real.

You're exactly the best parts.

You really don't want that experience.

That is the beauty of having cheaper cars is then you don't question it.

I lent out my P38 to someone for weeks because they totaled their car.

Still has my Ford Focus this guy.

But I'm like, cool.

It's a great free parking.

The Arnaj, I lent to Sean and he took it up to LA.

Like it is cool when you have cars that you're not precious about to do that,

but the nice cars you don't.

The other corollary that I learned the hard way,

I lent my Mercia logo out to our good friend Matt.

He loved it so much that he immediately started shopping for one.

Couldn't find the right mercy.

So he went into a Diablo.

That Diablo then has had some mechanical issues and resulted in a major rebuild

and I carry some guilt that I kind of instigated this, right?

Like I got him into the idea of a Roadster V12 Lamborghini.

He then pursued it.

He sent me that Diablo prior to buying and I was like, yeah, it looks cool.

And then it ended up being just a disaster to own.

And I'm like, I was the butterfly effect here that resulted in him

needing to send his Diablo to Columbus, Ohio to get rebuilt.

So you do have to worry about that a little too.

I take pride in that.

Doug took one ride in my 355 and wanted a buzzy Italian car and bought the Countach.

So that's exactly right.

That is exactly right.

That did work the other way.

It could work the other way.

But it did.

And that was the greatest physical possession that I own is the

my Lamborghini Countach.

That's the last question from Coyote Queen TN.

Coyote Queen TN, dear Doug and crew,

we all know the famous story of Ford trying to buy Ferrari in 63,

the deal collapsed, et cetera.

But what if the deal had gone through?

How do you think Ferrari would look today under the blue oval?

Conversely, how do you think the world's most prestigious supercar brand would have changed

Ford?

You know, it's an interesting question, but we actually have some examples of what would have

happened in the world.

What's that?

Premier Auto Group.

Yeah.

So later in the world, Ford bought Aston Martin.

And later in the world, Lamborghini, Chrysler bought Lamborghini.

And what happened in both cases was they sold them quick.

And I think that probably would have happened with Ford and Ferrari as well.

I think they would have found it very difficult to own a brand that was half a world away in

terms of time zones in an era before the internet and before ease of synergies in parts

sharing and construction.

I think it would have been hard.

And I think honestly, not much great would have come from it.

My guess is Ford would have tried to make a couple of more volume oriented Ferrari models.

What, Nagano that well, and then they probably would have sold the company either at a small loss

or a small gain, which is precisely what happened with Lamborghini and Chrysler and precisely

what happened with Ford and Aston Martin.

I don't think they would still own them.

I don't think they would have owned them for very long.

Honestly, Maserati and Ferrari is also kind of an example of this because FCA owned both

brands.

They did take Ferraris and turn them into Maserati's and in a way it was some part sharing,

some engine sharing, etc.

But it was never like this huge thing for Ferrari's back as its own company once again,

same kind of situation.

That's my guess of what would have happened.

I don't think it's a great what if, honestly.

Yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with everything you said.

That's exactly how I feel about it.

Instead it went to Fiat and we got that era, of course.

They did because they kind of did that.

They did start mass producing cars like the Dino engine was shared with Fiat Spider and then,

of course, the 308 series came out.

Relative to how they had been made before.

And honestly, I think a lot of Ferrari enthusiasts would argue that it was a good era and very

beneficial for the company.

I'm not sure Ford would have done it.

I think someone needed to do it in order to take Ferrari to the next level and it was so

done.

And probably Ford would have had some of that effect on Ferrari anyway, like Fiat did.

The other interesting thing in that hypothetical though is not just there's no internet in

different times, culturally, that couldn't have been different.

Ford was run a little bit at that era by suits and thinking of the business case and

like Ferrari was very much race on Sunday and cars were sort of an afterthought.

Totally.

That's a good point.

It would have been interesting.

Not a lot of cross national things had happened by then.

This was the 60s.

Daimler Chrysler was 30 years away.

Giant global mergers were still long ways off.

It certainly would have been among the earlier examples of such a thing.

Ford and Volvo and GM and Saab and all that came a lot later when M&A became like kind

of a bigger thing in that industry.

And it's all gone away now, by the way.

These brands have all kind of stopped doing that.

But it would have been a culture, a weird cultural shift for sure.

Curious how they would have handled it.

But my guess is not long, not much in terms of results and it would have been a private

company.

It's again not that long later.

Right.

So they went back to the ugly factory, been living their ugly cars and two years later,

beat Ferrari at Le Mans.

It's a great story.

It's a wonderful story.

Yep.

And we have the Ford GT heritage as a result.

Well, that came much later.

I actually wasn't too years.

But anyway, you get the idea.

I appreciate everybody watching, Nick.

You got any final thoughts for us?

Why don't you throw something out for us?

You know, you ask me this every time and you think I'd prepare something in advance.

But that's Nick.

Absolutely did not.

He's Googling instead.

Kenan, you got any final thoughts for us?

Yes.

Unfortunately, I will not be here next week.

I'm going back to Ohio for some family matters.

None of us will.

But yes, none of it will be an interesting podcast next week.

We not have a podcast next week.

I've been trying to convince Sean to cancel next week's podcast.

So we'll see.

That's my grand dream for us.

But we'll see what happens.

I was told remote podcast next week, in which case I will be dialing in from the great state of Wyoming.

I'm sure the internet connection will be wonderful out there.

It'll be.

We got Starlink.

Nick, Wyoming was the first state to give women the right to vote.

Did not know that.

OK. Goodbye, everyone.

Thank you for watching our podcast.

We really appreciate it.

Absolute pleasure.

Goodbye.

People ask you why Montana?

Because the water, rivers, scenery, being in the outdoors.

I mean, just look around.

It's die-cutting.

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