These Are The BEST And WORST Sports Car Investments To Have Fun And Not Lose Money! | Ep. 333
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These Are The BEST And WORST Sports Car Investments To Have Fun And Not Lose Money! | Ep. 333
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Brand
Lamborghini
Lamborghini is a famous Italian supercar brand. Some Lamborghini models are popular with collectors, so they can be easier to buy and sell than more obscure cars.
Brand
Rolls Royce
Rolls-Royce makes ultra-luxury cars. When people discuss value, it’s usually less about lap times and more about rarity and how well the car was maintained.
Brand
Aston Martin
Aston Martin is a British brand known for stylish, performance-oriented cars. In the collector market, the exact model and how nice it is matters a lot for price.
Brand
Ferrari
Ferrari is one of the most famous supercar brands. Many Ferraris are in demand, but the price you get depends on the specific car and its condition/history.
Brand
Bentley
Bentley makes luxury cars. When people talk about value, it often comes down to how well the car was cared for and how rare the exact version is.
Part
rubber bushing
Rubber bushings are small parts in the suspension that help the car ride smoothly. Over time they wear out, and replacing them can get expensive because it takes a lot of labor.
Term
10% just correcting things
When you buy a used car, it often needs some fixes right away. A common rule is to plan on spending about 10% of the car’s price soon after purchase so you’re not caught off guard.
Term
air cooled
“Air cooled” refers to Porsche’s older cooling approach used on earlier 911 generations. The hosts mention it as a separate buyer group (“diehard air cooled guys”), highlighting how cooling design influences enthusiast identity and market demand.
Car
996
“996” is a specific generation of the Porsche 911. In this conversation, it’s treated as the cheaper, more accessible 911 that many people shop for.
Term
turbo whistle
When a car has a turbo, it can make a noticeable sound as air moves through the turbo system. Some people love that “whistle” because it sounds exciting and sporty.
Concept
one of one
“One of one” refers to a highly individualized or unique car—often meaning a custom spec that’s not replicated elsewhere. The speaker connects this to Pebble Beach culture, where buyers and enthusiasts often want exclusivity and personal expression.
Car
M5
The BMW M5 is BMW’s performance version of the 5 Series. They’re using it to illustrate how some people love very flashy custom interiors and colors, even if others think it’s ugly.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 RS
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is a very track-oriented 911. It looks amazing and feels special, but it can be uncomfortable for everyday driving because it’s tuned to be fast and stiff, not comfy.
Term
carbon ceramic brakes
Carbon ceramic brakes are high-performance brakes made from special materials that handle heat better. They usually stop great, but replacement can cost a lot.
Term
collector cars
Collector cars are usually kept more for enjoyment and value than for commuting. Because they’re not driven much, owners can accept inconveniences that would be annoying on a daily driver.
Car
Lamborghini Diablo
The Lamborghini Diablo is another classic Lamborghini, but from a more modern era than the Countach. They’re using it to make a point about how different these cars feel to drive.
Car
Ferrari Testarosa
The Ferrari Testarosa is a famous old-school Ferrari supercar. They’re basically saying that even if you try to measure its acceleration, the results depend on how smoothly you shift gears.
Car
F40
The Ferrari F40 is a famous, hardcore supercar. Saying this car uses some F40 parts suggests the builder didn’t cheap out on components.
Car
McLaren MP4 12 C
They mention the McLaren MP4-12C to make sure you don’t confuse it with the “12 C” shorthand for a V12 Ferrari. Same letters, different car.
Company
John Ive
John Ive is a well-known designer. The hosts are pointing out that Ferrari is bringing in top design talent to make the EV feel special.
Concept
horsepower at the wheels
Wheel horsepower is the power the car actually delivers to the tires. It’s usually lower than the advertised engine horsepower because some power is lost inside the drivetrain.
Concept
more fun to drive a slow car fast
It’s a saying that means you’ll often have more fun pushing a car that’s not as fast, because you can use it more. With a super-fast car, you might not get to “use it” in normal driving.
Term
wrap
A wrap is a vinyl coating put over the car’s paint to change the look. It can be matte, glossy, or patterned, and it can usually be removed later.
Term
suspension
Suspension controls ride comfort and handling by managing how the tires stay in contact with the road. The hosts specifically say the Urus is “more firm,” which implies a tighter, more performance-oriented feel compared with a softer setup.
Concept
order them new... put 10,000 miles on... sell it for what you paid
The idea is: buy the car new, drive it a little, and then sell it for about the same price. Some cars keep their value well enough that you don’t lose much.
Part
head unit
The head unit is the main screen/radio/audio controller in the car. Swapping it can make older cars feel more modern for music and podcasts.
Term
big wing
A big wing is the large spoiler on the back of some performance cars. It helps press the car down onto the road so it feels more stable at speed. The hosts think these cars may become more collectible because people notice and want that look.
Car
Maserati MC20
The Maserati MC20 is a newer Maserati sports car. The hosts say it’s actually a good car, but they don’t think the brand’s reputation will let it become a big value winner.
Car
Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing
The Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing is presented as a potentially desirable car, but the hosts question whether it will appreciate because too many people already know how good it is. This highlights how “hype” and early awareness can reduce the upside for future value.
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Hey guys, welcome to this very special episode of TFL Car Chat and I'm here at a local
exotic car dealership. In fact, the guys who sold our Porsche G-Body the 1987. And I want to thank
you for doing that. Of course. Thank you very much. And this is Salton. Two young guys here who
are running this and in this podcast slash video, we're going to be talking about this really cool,
well, it's a collection of cars that you guys are selling, so to speak. And we're going to be talking
about what's happening with the exotic car market. And we're going to be talking all about, you know,
the dream cars that many of us grew up with. And if you're a certain age, maybe you can now afford.
So first, let's start with this Christian. Tell me about what Salton is. Tell me about Salton.
So Salton is an interesting, so Salton first of all stands for, it translates to rare in German.
Okay. My partner, one of my partners, there's three partners, but one's a little less involved in
the day-to-day, but myself, it's me and Mark. We went to high school together. Mark's family is German.
His dad's very German and he came up with the name. I actually came in
somewhat after all of this is here. I guess to give a little backstory, I have worked at dealerships
historically. I worked at a local dealership. We were a Lamborghini, Rolls Royce, McLaren,
Aston Martin dealer, and obviously we dealt with all kinds of trade-ins, Ferrari's, Bentley's,
whatever. So I had experience in selling cars, formal experience at dealerships. And Mark,
he worked at a company called Auto Wash in his background with marketing. And he, it's so funny,
if you ever ask Mark, how long he's been into cars, he'll say that I got him into cars almost
like I got him into a habit like smoking, like it's a bad thing. So in a way, it kind of can be.
But that being said, we went to high school together. We were friends in high school and I
just, I guess, never stopped talking about cars. So I guess he was forced to adopt it as a hobby.
And then from there, Mark actually bought and sold a lot of cars on his own. Really cool stuff.
You know, 6-speed R8, V8 Vantage on 8, lowered on HREs with V12, Vantage side skirts,
911 Turbo, 997, just some cool stuff that we all, you know, see 63s, M3s, M4s, stuff like that.
So Mark and Jake, who's our other partner, started this and I saw it on Instagram, long story short,
and came down, checked it out and asked if they wanted someone else to join. And here we are.
So now that we're caught up, we are just a couple of car guys that like dabbling in cars,
buying and selling, driving interesting cars, really anything that we find interesting. Obviously,
right now we have a lot of super cars and sports cars and I call these super SUVs.
That seems to be kind of where a lot of activity is in the market, but we like to buy and sell
anything that we find interesting. So it could be anything from a manual Honda Fit,
a first-gen Raptor to GT2 RS. We've got a 512M over there. It's an eclectic mix of things.
Yeah, so one of the things we'll do in this podcast a little bit later is we'll do a walk
around of the different cars and kind of talk about the marketplace for, obviously,
McLaren, Lamborghinis, Porsches. So if you guys are in the market for one of these, we can kind of
get it from the expert as to what's happening with the prices, where you should invest. But
before we do that, let's just ask the questions that I think a lot of people are wondering about.
Let's start with the most interesting one. What's the hardest car to sell?
What's the one where somebody comes knocking on your door and they drive up here out of the cars
that you sell and you're like, ugh. Definitely the most challenging brand to sell was Maserati,
without a question. We haven't dealt with many of these here, but historically,
Maserati was a car where if anyone, it was even breathing on the idea of a Maserati,
whether it was a Ghibli, Quattroporte, whatever, difficult. But I would say generally, and this
is going to be a hot take, because Porsche is extremely popular. Everybody loves, especially
air-cooled Porsches. Porsche buyers can be difficult to deal with. And that's only because
they're very, they're very, they know more than you. Of course. Every time. And they'll ask about
certifications you didn't even know existed. Anyway, we like them. You know what I love in
Porsche? We've talked about this before, but I love the thing now that's happening in the Porsche
market, where they're checking to see if the car has been over revved or revved. You know what I
mean? I bought a Porsche and you're right. I never revved it above, you know, 2000 RPM, because
God help you. You use it as a Porsche. Heaven forbid you buy a 911 and use it as a sports car.
No. I mean, come on. It's like Porsche. By the way, let me fill in the background. So this is one
of the things you can do. You're buying a new Porsche. You can actually go in, I guess, using
probably the OBD port, right? It's called a DME report. And see how many times it's been over revved
or revved, either to the red line or beyond the red line. And that does, in real world terms,
affect the value of the car. It's so funny, because it not only affects the value of it,
almost to most people. So there's, call it, six rev ranges. And one is like a mild over rev, six is
in these buyer's mind. I mean, the engine is as good as scrap. So oftentimes, you couldn't even
get an offer out of somebody if it's been over revved. They're just instantly turned off. The car
is not for them. So I'll tell you another story in a second. But let me tell you this first story
about a Maserati, because it just happened to me. I had the worst experience in my life
with the Maserati, the McPura. And actually, there's a whole buildup to this. So as you know,
the McPura used to be the MC20, right? Before. And I actually went and profiled the car at Goodwood.
And I had also whole history with it, but I never actually got to drive it. And so when my mom passed
away recently, she left us a place in Florida, my wife and myself. And it's in the Florida fleet,
the McPura. So I wanted to borrow a car. And they said, Hey, we have this car. Do you want it?
I said, hell, yeah, do I want it? And then I remembered that it does not have much of a luggage
compartment, if any, it could fit like a briefcase. So my wife does not love supercars or sports cars.
But I was like, this is my only chance to drive one. So we're flying down there. I'm like, honey,
I don't think your bag is going to fit in this thing. And she's like, no, it's definitely going
to fit. I'm like, I don't think it's going to fit because she didn't believe that. So I was on eggs
and pins and needles. And I get down there at late at night, I go to pick up the car. It's
beautiful car. It's sitting there. She looks at it. She's like, oh, this is going to be uncomfortable,
right? Because it's got the dihedral doors. And I open the front and the front will only hold,
like, I don't know, maybe like a yellow binder. There's nothing there. And then there's a little
tiny trunk in the back. And this is the spider tooth. This is the convertible. So I look at it
and I'm like, yeah, your roller bag is not going to fit. She's like, it'll fit. So we put it in there
and it won't fit. Not even close. So now she's got to have it on her lap as we're driving down to
the condo, which is obviously not a good thing. Yeah. And then I have to close the door because
then she can't close the door. And then I go to start up and things like right. So it's so loud
and she's hating and the whole drive down. Have you ever been with a person in the car and they
dislike you so much that they won't even look at you. They're kind of looking out the window the
whole time, like letting you know just how pissed off they are. Yeah. You're in the doghouse for sure.
That was an hour and a half. And then I get down there. It's like midnight because we flew in late
and I wanted to park the car far away from the other cars as possible because this is a quarter
million dollar car, right? Brand new, 2,000 miles on it. You don't want to ding it. No, I don't want
to ding it. And I forgot, I forgot, I forgot, I forgot that there was a basketball court. So I park it
as far away as possible. The next day I go down and the whole front windshield is like spider,
not a little, just spidered. And of course it's right where my sleight of vision is. And there's
a note, somebody left a note and there was, the guy said, my daughter was playing basketball and
you can imagine the rest, right? It just hit the windshield and yeah, just splattered it. Yeah.
And so I call up the press fleet guys and I'm like, Hey, sorry. You know, and they're like,
do you want to get another car? And I was so disgusted with myself and my wife was so mad at me.
I was like, no, that's right. I'll just deal with it. And so I actually shot a video. I had to work
really hard to not show, because you don't want to show that, right? So I had all these different
angles. So you couldn't, and then at the end of the video, I was like, man, look at this. I did this.
And yeah, it was just a horrendous experience. And I feel horrible for Maserati. I feel horrible
for the little girl. I feel horrible for my wife. The whole thing was just miserable. All right,
that's enough of my story. What a story though. All right, let's go back to Porsche. So you were
saying hardest buyers to deal with. I would say generally they're, the buyers are the most
challenged. You have the most objections, because the one thing I found generally about Porsche,
it's specifically 911s. Yeah, for sure. They are looking, the amount of reasons they will come up
with to not buy the car is incredible. It's more than any other car. Like if the right technician
at the right dealership didn't look at the car and have the right breakfast that day, that's
enough to turn somebody off on it. Which is so weird to me, because they're the most reliable.
You can beat on them the most. They just take it. They take the abuse and they do what they
do so well. It's not like an old Ferrari that if you even grab the door handle wrong, it won't
start. Stuff like that. We're 911s. They're as good as a commercial appliance almost.
Having said that, usually when you buy, let's say a classic or 25-year-old car,
you should probably budget a certain percentage of whatever. And usually that number is a pretty
small number, but with Porsches, I think it's pretty high. So we just picked up a 997,
2005, the first year, which of course has the Vora Scoring and the IMS, the Carrera S.
And I took it to my local mechanic and he came back with an 18,000 dollar bill.
I have no doubt. The car has over 100,000 miles on it, but still, every rubber bushing,
everything had to get, and it's Porsche prices. So usually I would say, you know,
plan on spending what, 10, 15, 20% with a Porsche, it might be more than that.
Easily. Especially if you're getting a cheap one, because I got this relatively cheaply,
I got it for 35. Yeah. And I think 997s, Carrera S's are probably worth more than that.
Yeah, especially if they're in pretty decent condition. Yeah, it's in good condition.
I would definitely, general rule of thumb for myself and Mark has always been,
anytime you buy a car, expect to spend at least 10% just correcting things or
which could be a big number if you're talking about, you know, like,
that works behind you. So I'd say 200,000 dollar car. That's $20,000. Yep.
But generally it's kind of more with this, you could get away with a little less, but
older cars, the older the car is, especially now that cars like, you know, F82s, F80, you know,
BMW, M cars, you know, older Audi cars, stuff that people get into to use as everyday performance
cars, they now have some miles on them. And they have parts on them that you wouldn't expect to
be filled with hydraulic fluid, stuff like that, where you, if it's a high performance aging car,
you'd probably want a budget 15, 20%. But the purchase price is smaller, but your maintenance
costs are going to be higher to keep it where the car was originally designed to operate.
If that makes sense. Right. Let's go back to forces. What are you seeing is kind of the
heart of the market right now in terms of the different models. So is it the air cooled or is
it the 996, which was for the longest time, you know, the affordable 911, we're talking about
911s here, by the way, or is it the 997, which is kind of the right size? Where do you see is
kind of the most activity in that? Definitely the 996, 997. Yeah. Most affordable, probably.
They're the most affordable. And also, you're not encapsulating the people that are diehard
air cooled guys, but you're, you're encapsulating the people that want something more analog.
The 991, the 992 is a big car. We've got a 992 sitting right there. Yeah.
Significantly larger than, I mean, it feels significantly larger than a 996, 997.
That being said, every 996 or 997 that we've had has sold like that. And the amount of,
there's been a line of people that will take it if the first deal falls apart.
We had a 996 Turbo S manual, which was a super rare car. So it's a bit of an outlier.
So it's, it's the last year. No, the last of them. Not manual turbo, right?
Turbo S. Yeah. And it was, they only built it for one year, 2005. And this car, this was before,
today, every Porsche that you see is PTS, this deviated stitching that blah, blah, blah,
which is cool. But back then this was much less common. It was either silver, black. And if you
had carbon or some kind of colored stitching, it was really rare. And this one had some of that.
And we sold the car for what we thought was a lot of money. It was a $110,000 car. It had an accident
on the car fax. It had 44,000 miles and it sold instantly. And the amount of people that wanted
it, if the first deal fell apart, basically there was two guys right at the end that wanted it.
And it was whose phone call came in first and whoever's didn't come in first was going to be
yelling at me because the other guy beat him. And that happens frequently because these cars are,
I don't know, the cars that I call the modern classic genre of car is the cars, those are
the cars that are the most popular. They have the most activity on them, at least from what we see
because the guys and gals that were, you know, in middle school or high school or whatever,
when those cars came out, they now are in a position to be purchasing those cars and they
will pay up and to buy the right one because it's a car that they're probably going to hang on to,
they're going to invest money into and it's going to be like a dream car, you know, a car
that they wanted. I also think Porsche has upped the prices so significantly that it brought the
rest of the market up with it. So I remember, it wasn't that long ago, maybe five years ago,
you could get a 911 base for $99,000. And of course, you're going to, you know, when you start
spanking it out, you're going to go up. But if you could get a base when it was $99,000,
I think the cheapest one you could buy now is a 911 T and I think that's like $158,000.
Yeah. So, 911s in the last five years have gone up 50%.
Absolutely. And that's going to bring the volume of the 996 to 997.
Absolutely. I mean, 996 is, you know, it's so, it's so funny. Obviously, the 996 is so,
I guess, I don't want to say hated, but it was not loved because of its aesthetics.
Yeah. The fried egg headlights are not much loved.
They're not as well loved, but honestly, I don't know. After seeing the one that we had,
I was like, man, this is a really good looking car. I actually really like it.
And the chassis between the 996 and 997 are shared.
Yeah. And so is pretty much the engine too.
Yep. So if you can get past the headlights and if you can get past the interior, which is a little,
obviously a little budgety. It is.
Choose that word on the 996. They're great cars because they drive and perform just like a 911.
Yep. So you think that's where the market is right now?
I do. 996, 997s. 991s, I think, are going to follow suit eventually for the right ones.
Because the 991 is, especially when you compare it to a 992, the 992s,
there's so much more technology integrated into the dash. I mean, there's so many screens.
And the 991s, especially the Dot2s, because they made a lot of revisions that just made
a more competent car, that I think will follow suit. There was still a good amount of manual
cars that were trim levels that were available. And those cars are really competent, good daily
sports cars. And I'd call it a sports car, even a turbo ass.
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All right, so tell me this since we're on Porsche. I was at Pebble Beach. I'm not trying to
name drop. I was just there and obviously Porsche is having a moment. 9-11 is having a moment,
but the id car right now seems to be the GT3 RS. If you're anybody on Instagram and you're into
cars, what is it about that car that has made it so Instagramminable? This is the one that
everybody is fawning over. Is it the big wing? I think it's a great question because there's
better cars out there. I know it's a great car, but for the amount of... I think they're worth
their sticker price. Sure, but they don't sell for a sticker. No, they don't. For example, we
literally just listed one yesterday. It's not in here right now, but it's got 4,000 miles,
it's two years old, and it's 100 grand over sticker. And that's a fair market value for the car.
Yeah, and I get that for like a car or an ST where it's a limited production,
but this is not limited production. They're all over. And I don't know. Okay, so the 992 GT3 RS,
if you haven't had the chance to see one in person, it is a striking car. It is the closest
off the shelf car that I've seen to like a race car. The wing is mega. It has little details you
don't even really notice, but little cutouts behind the front wheel. Canards everywhere.
Canards everywhere. You've got fins on the roof. I mean, it's a striking car and everyone seems to
be obsessed with the flat six screaming. They'll put... Naturally aspirated. It has to be manual,
of course. Yeah, they'll straight pipe them. They'll make just crazy sound. This is also a hot take.
I don't necessarily... I don't love the sound of the flat six. Yeah, I'm with you. It's fine,
but it's okay. It's not like, you know, it's not like a flat plain crank Ferrari V8 or a big,
thumpy, you know, aggressive V8. Yeah, or a low-peer, lumpy V8. Yeah, those sound terrific compared
to the flat six. Flat six is okay. It's okay. And you could take an aftermarket exhaust and you can
make it, you know, a little bit deeper and a little more base, but it's still a flat six. Yeah,
I'd almost argue that the turbos with an exhaust sound the best because they sound like a jet turbine
because you get that turbo whistle. But anyway... Yeah, it's the it car right now. The GT3 RS is
the it car. I think it's because it's such a captivating car to look at and it's such an
aspirational car, especially for the young people. I don't know. This younger generation seems to want...
The younger generation is constantly trying to fight for everybody's attention, whether it's
who has the most followers, who has the most engagement, who has the most this, who has the
most that. And the GT3 RS is kind of that embodiment in a car. Yeah, and for a while,
I think it was Lamborghinis, right? The Dairos, especially if you pull the back end
off of them to show the exhaust. Yeah. So, yeah, right. It's all about like you and for a long time
Ferrari would have that crown, right? If you were a Ferrari guy or gal, you were making an entrance.
Oh yeah. And there's also been something that's become so popular is the SPAC. I'll tell you
I was in Berlin at this like Shishi restaurant. This is a while ago. And one of these restaurants
where there's a giant glass window, right? So, you can kind of see people as they pull up and
this guy pulls up in a LaFerrari. Yeah, and everybody's like, oh, look at that car. That's a
serious car. Yeah, yeah, look at that car, right? And so, he's like, I'm strutting out of it. And
like the second he got out of the car, another guy shows up in another LaFerrari. And you could
see the guy just like, oh, for God's sakes. What do I have to do? Yeah. You almost need to have like
something so quirky. It's, you know, this is actually quite a funny topic that you bring up
because Mark and I, obviously, we spend a lot of time around cool cars. And we've become so like,
I don't know if I want to say desensitized to it, but like the cars will spot driving around
or the cars we think are cool now or quirky weird things like an orange BMW i3. If I were to
see one of those, I'd be like, wow, that's grabbing my attention more than a yellow AMG GT.
The car yellow E36. Oh, yeah, exactly. Something kind of weird or this Le Mans
Blue over Le Mans Blue M5 that we have. Yeah, yeah. I mean, just so cool. I think the sense I got
from Pebble Beach is that everybody wants one of one. That's totally right. Whether you're on
the configurator and you got to do some crazy stuff. It's got the, you know, I mean, it used to be
that like paint a sample in Porsche world was unique, but now that's even mundane. Now it's
Sonderwunsch. I know. Special wishes. I mean, you got to bring in your like your dog. Match this.
Yeah. Yeah. It's like how it's, I don't mean to sound rude when I say this, but it's almost like
a race to see who has the worst taste. And then those are the most valuable. Those are the most
valuable cars and they've got $400,000 worth of options. Yeah, one of one. Yeah. It's pink and
purple with brown stitching. Like who? Like I say, I'm kind of falling into that trap myself
because we just bought a Viper last year, uh, first gen and the one I really wanted was the Ronald
McDonald one. Of course. Of course. Yeah. Red and yellow. Yeah. Of course. The yellow tricepones.
Oh my gosh. I know. It's horrible, but it's so horrible that it's cool though. Yeah. You know,
it's that's kind of like this M5 we have. It's blue on blue with ostrich interior. Like that's
pretty gaudy and terrible, but it's, it's cool. You know, the other trend that I'm seeing, and this
is, you know, I'm much older than you. So I'm seeing this. So I'll give you an example, but
anybody that took a couple of years ago, I got to go on the racetrack, big willow, small willow,
no streets of willow, sorry, uh, with the GT four hours. And the second I got into that thing,
I absolutely hated it. And that's because the air intake is right, right, right by your left. So
loud. And I just kept thinking, apart from my wife in this, we get down the, up down the street,
about a half a block before you get the rolling pin out. Yeah. I'm walking. What are you doing?
Call me a mover. Yeah. And yet I think even if you look back at like the 996, 997 generations,
race cars for the road weren't really a thing, right? No. Most people didn't aspire to driving
a race car for the road. No. And yet that is becoming a huge thing now. The more racier GT
three RS, right? The more people want it. And these cars as a daily, or even as a, you know,
going to dinner car are pretty fricking miserable, right? There's no sound detaining. The suspension
is rock hard. They look cool, but to enjoy it as a, like a Sunday afternoon drive is no fun.
I couldn't agree more. And it's something I think a lot of people don't even consider
until either A, they've bought the three RS and then their wife hates them for it. You know,
and then they're like, I need to make a change. So then they go out and buy like a DB 12 or
something, which is a much more competent, nice car. But I think Porsche dealers couldn't
sell the RS versions like 20 years ago. No. They sat on the showroom and now those cars
are through the roof. Now you, you, it's a fight to, it's a stupid game that you have to exercise
loyalty to some Porsche store. You have to buy your neighbor, your babysitter and your nanny,
a McCann to even be considered to be on the list to buy these things. It's a game. I get it.
It's, if people are willing to do it, why, you know, you can't blame Porsche for capitalizing
on it, but you're absolutely right. Well, same thing with Ferrari. Oh yeah. I mean,
I mean, they started that game, right? Oh yeah. You're not going to get the F80 unless you spend
22 years buying cars you don't want. And $30 million. I mean, it's unbelievable. And if you're
lucky, you get to spec one of these new cars and buy it for sticker and, but it's hard to blame
people because if you, if you play that game and you get an F80, how much are they like two,
three million, you could flip that thing probably the next day for eight million. It's true. You
when you, if you're, if you're a business person or if you like to do the math, okay, so I just
spent three million, four million buying cars that didn't want. And now they offered me a car
that I could hold on to for a year and then turn it around, not for double what I paid for,
but for triple what, I mean, those numbers do add up at some point. So you do feel,
A, you feel special. Yeah. Talk about one on one, B, you're making money. Yeah. And C,
that investment of all those Taycans or, or, uh, Parisanguay or whatever the hell it is that you
didn't necessarily want. All of a sudden make sense. Yep. Absolutely. All right, Christian. So we
spent a lot of time talking about Porsches. You've got this 992 here. But what I want to do is I'm
going to kind of kind of get the sense for what the market is and what the experience that you've
had by going over some of the cars that you have for sale and not talking about the car per se,
but talking about the market forum. So let's, like I said, we did Porsche show. Let's talk about
the Mercedes GT AMG. Yeah. So these are, this is an interesting car. There's several iterations
of the GT. It's, it's really got a viper kind of, um, I guess layout to its very aft, big long hood.
These cars are super dynamic, but they're really a, a pretty great value. I mean,
you could pick up one of these for a pretty similar cost to a C8. And arguably it's more exotic.
It's kind of just a reshape to C63. It's obviously more than that, but that's kind of what it is.
But these, the GTSs, the GTs and the GTSs are definitely getting into seriously attainable,
affordable car for most people. Yeah, it's, it's funny. I think, I think this was Mercedes
answer to that 911. Oh yeah. And yet when these sold, you know, they were probably 130 going,
it depends if you get the 63 or, you know, yeah, this one was 173. If you can believe it. Yeah.
Yeah. And, you know, it was, it was kind of positioned above the SL. Yep. And yet I don't
think that there is desirable. I'm not saying they're not desirable, but they're not as desirable as
911s. Oh no. And for some reason, this is a really good car. If you want, you know, an exotic
that not a lot of people have, it's got crazy performance because when I drove these things,
they were at 6700 horsepower. They were a lot. They're fast. They're really fast. They're really
dynamic and they deliver a really exciting experience. I mean, it wasn't a black series too.
Oh yeah. So there's the GTS. There's the GTR, which is a wide body version of this. You got
rear wheel steering. You got much more aerodynamics. What year is this? More power. This is a 2016.
Okay. And how much? This one we're asking 90 on and that's definitely the top because it's solar
beam. It has carbon ceramic brakes. It's full carbon everywhere. It's only got 7,000 miles,
but an average gray, call it 25,000, 30,000 mile car. It's a $60,000 car.
Cool. All right. Let's go to Ferrari land over here. Yeah. So you've got, you've got four
Ferraris. Yeah. Tell me about them. What, that's a 308. I get it. Yep. Testerosa. Yeah. So this is
the last iteration of the Testerosa. It's the 512 M. You can go over there, Cole, if you want.
Yeah. Yeah. We'll keep talking. Sorry. It's tight in here. So this is a Japanese spec. Yeah. So the
M stands for Modificata, which gave, gives you glass headlights. It's, it's a lot of stuff,
but the big items are glass headlights, 355 tail lights, and the interior has a lot more
leather padding, a lot more. It's just a more look, it's the most luxurious Testerosa. You get
these two piece wheels. It's really a gorgeous car. Definitely. It's actually kind of funny.
We had one of my buddies, the day we were filming this car, he happened to have one of his friends
lend him a 25th anniversary Kuntash. Yep. I was gonna say, why are Kuntash is like off the wall
and Testeroses are kind of, you know, how much you're asking for this guy? This is 590. I was
gonna say half an hour and that's where they're at. Yeah. And yet a Kuntash might be double that,
depending on the spec. It's, it's, I think it's the way that, because most of these cars, these are
collector cars now. Yeah. You're lucky if this car is lucky if it gets driven a couple hundred
miles a year. Sure. And so most people are willing to deal with how terrible a Kuntash is to drive.
No, they're wonderful. They're, they're fun. Some of my, some of my friends in the automotive
business who own them. Yeah. According to them, they're wonderful. They're, I have driven them
and I have this rule if I have to take off my shoes because, because the tow box is so small.
Yeah. I'm out of that car. That's this car. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Oh, 100%. We did a
video on a, on a, what's the next one after the Kuntash? It was the R. So it's the Diablo. Yeah,
the Diablo and the guy showed up and he, he was barefoot and I'm like, why are your shoes on?
He goes, I can't get, it was like big tall guy because I can't get my, and I'm like, I'm tapping
out. I'm hitting all three pedals at the same time. Yeah. It's funny though, because this is a
significantly more developed car, but the Kuntash just looks insane. How many of your first
seconds? Yeah. Okay. I'm just going to do a little Roman rant. Okay. So I've driven enough
classic old cars. Yeah. And when you watch like other YouTubers, let's just say, talk about the
gloriousness of driving these old exotic cars, right? What they don't tell you, and I've done this,
is first of all, they're hot as hell. Yeah. Because the air conditioning barely works. Yeah.
And the engines put out a boat ton of heat. Yeah. Yeah. They smell like gas. Yeah. Whether it's
carbureted or injected, they smell like gas. The brakes barely work, at least compared to a
modern car. Oh yeah. The steering is heavy as all hell because that was the way the cars were
meant to be. Yeah. And getting in and out of them, you know, you have to be like a world-class
ballerina. Oh yeah. To be able to get on your tiptoes and get in and out of these things. You need
to be a yogi to get in and out of these things. Yes. So, yes, take everything you see on YouTube
with the grain of salt because, or Instagram, right? Because those are the things you don't smell
or feel or hear when you're driving these cars. Yes. There is this wonderful time capsule effect.
Yeah. Right? You feel like, I was around during, you know, Mami Vice and feel like you're living
that dream. Yeah. But, you know, a half hour of that is enough. And that's exactly what I was
just going to say is, and not this one, twin turbo, but they're slow. They're very slow. By
modern care standards, they're slow. Even this one, which is twin turbo, is not that fast. Yeah. I
mean, I bet you that, Testerosa, if you could go zero to 60, if you could go zero to 60 without
crunching the gears, which is not, which is a big if. That's a big if. Yeah. In, let's say, under
seven seconds, I'd give, you know, I'd give you a lot of applause. Absolutely. And I'll, the other
thing that happens to people don't, and we have had enough classic cars, some of those horses,
the Prancing Horse, they have left the engine. They've left the stable. Yeah. Absolutely. They're
gone. They're off in the field. I don't know what the horse power was. That's probably like 400.
440. Yeah. Yeah. But if you were putting on a dyno, you would not see 440. Probably not. No.
Probably not. But having said that, if you want it and you, you know, how much is that guy?
590. 590. Yeah. So 590, you know, you're going to be the only one on your block. Yeah. And you
are going to own, you know, a piece of Ferrari history. And for all the, you know, now super
expert speculative automotive investors these days, this car is poised to appreciate. Yeah.
Exactly. So you hold on to it. Yeah. Don't put a lot of miles on it. Keep it nice. Yeah. Yeah.
You know, and if the insurance isn't crazy, and usually it isn't because you use classic car
insurance and they know you're not driving. Yeah. It seems a lot. Yeah. Absolutely. And,
but something that a lot of people don't consider, last thing I'll say on these vintage cars,
is because of how everybody nowadays, young people are so instant gratification,
you have to be extremely intentional about driving one of these cars. Even modern manuals are easy.
You can just throw them in and out of gears. They're easy. This, you got to double clutch,
otherwise it's unhappy. If you don't let it get up to temps, second gear is not there. You got
to wait for it to wake up. But there's something, there's something charming about that as well,
right? Absolutely. Where it takes a little bit of time for the car to come into its own.
I love it personally. Yeah. Sure. It's, it connects you to the machine. And there's something
that's being said about, it gives the car personality to where it's not an appliance. It
feels like it's a, it's a thing. And I think that's, that's part of the reason people love these cars.
Yeah. Because let's say you buy a Model S Plaid. Yeah. You drive, you know, sure,
zero to 60 in two seconds. Yeah. You do that twice, get your buddy sick. Sure. You know,
you get tunnel vision. You do the party trick. And you're done with it. Yeah. And then you're
driving a toaster. Yeah, exactly. It's a great toaster. You know, it's reliable. It's easy.
It's got a lot of tech, but it doesn't feel special. Yeah. All right. Tell me about the 308.
So this is a really, really unique car. This is as sacrilegious as it gets. This is a fiberglass,
which I'm not, I don't speak Italian, but it's Vettro Racina. Does they make fiberglass? Yeah.
Yeah. Okay. 800 native them. Okay. So this is one of them significantly lighter. This car is black,
which is cool. Obviously it's black, but it's cool because it's not red. It looks like it's
triple black. Yeah. It's, so it's Nero BB, which is just black, like pure black. Okay. And it's
got a big brake kit. This car actually has got some parts that are off of an F40, which is quite
cool, but it's got an aftermarket twin turbo kit. Everyone, you know, it's not uncommon to see a
twin turbo Huracan or twin turbo R8, but a twin turbo 308, crazy. The original carbureted V8 was
removed and it has a quad valve, the quattro valve only fuel injected V8 in it with a twin
turbo kit. Does that make it more or less valuable? Less. Oh, for sure. You know, it's actually,
we'll see because how much you're asking for? We're asking 200 for this car, which is a lot. Yeah.
But we'll, it's kind of one of those cars where there's no comps. It's super sacrilege,
very unoriginal, very unoriginal. Sure. It's a hot rod, but it's, it's a hot rod 308, you know,
which is, there's not many of those out there. I mean, the twin turbo kit, all of the work that
was done to this car, it was done in a shop in New York. It was over $150,000. Yeah. Yeah, I bet.
Which is insane. So, so the person who owns this car is probably into it more than you're selling
a car. Oh yeah. Which is one of the great things of buying a classic car. We just sold it, that,
I just sold that 911. Yeah. I was into it like 80K. Yeah. We sold it for 60. Yeah. Yeah. I passed on
that to Barney. Congratulations, Barney. Yeah. Yeah. You benefited from $20,000 of Roman money.
Yes. Absolutely. But that's fine. It's the circle of vintage cars. It is. That's what happens. Yeah,
that's what happens. And if you're not, if you're not comfortable with that, you should
stay away. Stay away. More modern cars like this one. Yeah, exactly. Let's talk about this. This is a
cool car. This is a car that is having a moment right now too in the market. This is a Ferrari F12
Berlinetta. Yep. This obviously it's 6.3 liter naturally aspirated V12, 730 horsepower, dual
clutch. So it's very competent. The 599, which came before this, there was a literally a small
handful of manual cars, but most of them were the F1 transmission, which is an automated manual,
for lack of better words. This is really where things got competent and fast. Really a nice car
that is from the 458 era, you know, like the early 20 teens to mid 20 teens. And these cars,
because the dodici chalindry and the said that I was, I was, I was trying to figure out how to
say that as you were talking. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to screw that up. Because that's the next
people are abbreviating it as the 12 C not to be confused with the McLaren MP4 12 C. But anyway,
this car in particular is, is having a moment. These are, this is the least expensive one in
the country currently, 232,000, which is not inexpensive, but it's got almost 40,000 miles.
Somebody drove it. Someone drove it. Damn, somebody daily did. Yeah. And imagine that. I mean,
and look at it, you wouldn't be able to tell you if you drove it, you wouldn't be able to tell.
And that's thanks to factory service, which, you know, probably 40 or $50,000 of service in its
lifetime. And that's nothing breaking. That's just keeping up on stuff. But if you're not prepared
for stuff like that, you should probably stay away from cars like these. Because they're expensive
to buy. They're also expensive to service. I mean, why do you think they're expensive to buy?
Parts are expensive. But this is a really lovely car to drive. Screaming V12,
really compliant suspension. You wouldn't believe how nice these are to drive. They're very soft.
Classic GT car. Yeah. But really sharp. But these are having a moment right now.
Low mileage, late model ones like 2016's, 2017's, those are those are encroaching on $400,000.
That's funny. You know, Ferrari is also kind of struggling with electrification. Obviously,
they just introduced Luce, right? Which is their new electric car, which was done,
at least the interior so far we've seen. John Ive. Yeah, Johnny Ive from Apple. And I'm hoping,
I'm really hoping that they can actually pull it off. Because no one's actually able to pull off,
I would say a cool electric car. Yeah. Maybe the plaid. But you know what I mean? No exotic
electric car is selling. Nobody wants them. Yeah. I think the thing Clarkson said about them is
probably true. And that is you feel like it's soulless. Totally. Right? The only, I'll say,
the only electric car that I've driven that I really thoroughly enjoyed
was the Rolls-Rispector. Yeah. And that's already quiet. But that's because the electric
drivetrain fits that car. Have you driven the Ioniq 6N? I have not. But I would love to.
I think I would like that. I have been in one. Which the whole, that concept where they introduced
shift, simulated shifting, very cool. Very cool. That's going to be required for EVs to like,
to live in the enthusiast space. And I think Porsche is also looking at that. And so is,
but yeah, I'm just waiting for somebody to actually come out with an exotic electric car.
Because it does make sense. It is kind of the next frontier. It's just people,
we just haven't figured it out yet. No. You know, we haven't figured it out. And actually,
even electrification, I think, especially in an exotic world is hurting sales. So you just had a
296. 100%. Yeah. The Lamborghini Revuelto isn't doing terrible, but not doing great.
And that's a naturally aspirated V12 with a plug-in hybrid. The SF90s, the beginning of the
SF90 life was super inflated because of COVID, but then they heavily corrected to where they
live now, which is well below sticker. The 296 we just had, which is really a competent,
nice car. I mean, you talked about the MC20, the, gosh, I can't remember what it's called.
Yeah. That. Like Pure. Yeah. Yeah. That car. Not a great name. Yeah. Not a great name. They
296 is very nice. This is a car that's misunderstood because I think it's been brushed with.
People love it. They said it's great car, but because it's electrified, people,
and because it's not a V8, it's a six cylinder, it just doesn't have that kind of buzz around it.
You know, it's so funny because I've driven both SF90 and 296, and I'm generally an eight cylinder
guy. Like if it doesn't have eight or 12, I'm not interested largely, but I prefer the 296.
It sounded like a Ferrari. It sounded exotic enough. I use the heavy asterisks there because it is
still very quiet by historic standards, but that car, I would compare that car to a Turbo S,
especially with how their price now, they're like in the, we sold ours, which was a really nice one
for 270 grand. Sticker on it was 411. Wow. It had 3000 miles on it. Yeah. That's, that's like.
Yeah. I mean, that's, that's getting close to what 720s cost. And that used to be like my go-to if
you're, you got quarter million bucks to spend, which everybody does. If you're looking for a
sports car, what do you get? Let's get to that one in a second. So this one I know a lot about,
the Corvette. Yeah. This is like, there's a saying that the, I guess that the Chinese have, right?
And this is the reason why Tesla was the first company that was able to go into China without
having a joint venture. So I don't know if you know this, but Jeep was in China like for 40 years,
like the Cherokee was this iconic car in China because yeah, 40 years ago, this was a great car.
But Tesla was the first one. And the saying, this is what I've read. So if I'm saying this wrong,
guys, feel free to correct me in the comments. But if you want, fish to swim faster and upon,
you introduce like a catfish. And all of a sudden there's this competition for food. And so you
put a much more aggressive fish in there. And I think this is exactly what's happening with the
Corvette. Oh yeah. In the past, the rub against the Corvette was great car, very affordable,
driven by old guys and cut off pants. And, you know, front engine and didn't have kind of the
European, you know, performance credit. And yet here we are with the C8 that is now mid-engine
that costs, damn, it's not even half, it's a quarter of what this car costs, you know? Oh yeah.
Yeah. And it's got the performance to not only keep up with this car, but if you're looking at,
you know, the new ZR1 or the ZR1X. It blows it out of the water. Yeah, it just blows it out of the
water. Yeah. And the interiors, you know, are gorgeous. Yeah. The quality, the build. Yeah. The
styling is, you know, jet engine, jet fighter-ish. So it's not everyone's taste, but it certainly
is styled, interestingly. And so I think a lot of like the die-hard Ferrari guys and Porsche guys
are like looking over their shoulder, thinking themselves, I wonder if I can get a ZRX for 200,
let's say 20,000 with 1200 horsepower that'll put this thing to shame. Oh, absolutely. It's so funny
how many guys in Gauss that have really serious cars, you know, call it 765LTs, Ferrari 488 Pistas,
like legit cars, and they're genuinely interested in the ZR1, ZR1X. Yeah, because the robot always
was old man car that didn't have the performance cred. And now it does. Oh, it does. I mean,
this car is six years old, seven years old now. Yeah. 2020. Yeah, 2020. So six years old. And it's
still cool. It's still relevant. These cars sell really well. And people, it's still, it's still a
hot topic. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, this, and this one's pro-charged, which is interesting. Makes a lot
of noise. I was at, I saw one of these pro-charged cars. This is before Z06, right? People didn't
have more power. Yeah. So I saw one of these at the Supercruise in Golden, and they're really cool.
Yeah. They're really cool. How much is this guy? 80,000. 80,000. And it's got, it's got
practically no miles. The guy who did the build on it put like 30, 40 grand into it,
and now it's for sale. It's call it 20 grand over what a stock C8 would cost. Yeah. And the problem
is how many horsepower? 679 at the wheels on a dyno. So with a flat plain crank Z06, you can get
670. Yeah. And it'll sound like a Ferrari. Yep. Absolutely. And this, this has that lumpy sound.
And I don't know if you, I'm sure you've heard pro-chargers. Yeah. They're not quiet. No. They
make a Hellcat wine sound quiet. Yeah. I love that induction noise. It is cool. Let's talk about
McLaren's. McLaren's, you know, I mean, they've, they've, this is, this is, if you want a race car
for the road. Yeah. This is kind of the granddaddy, right? Oh yeah. This is the car that introduced
that concept where you can get race car like performance in a street car. Yeah. My own,
you know, I have two issues with McLaren's. I think it's hurting them. First, you know,
I've been doing this for a long time and I can't tell apart. Yeah. I really, I can't tell a 560
from a 720. Yep. It's just really hard. Yep. And I can tell 911's apart, but these are really hard.
Yep. And the second thing I have is they, the performance envelope on a McLaren is so high.
It's so high. Yeah. That just putting around, you'll never appreciate or be able to come anywhere
near, you know, it's that old thing about it's more fun to drive a slow car fast. Fast. Yeah.
This is a very fast car that's got a lot of fun to drive slow. Otherwise, they're immaculate,
they're perfect, they're cool. Yep. And they're exotic. They're very exotic. They look, you know,
obviously, I remember when this car came out and you didn't see it in person, you just saw photos
and it was very, this whole eye socket design thing, very polarizing. But I think the 720's
aged really well. The 750 is near indistinguishable from the 720. And I don't think there are
tourists selling actually. All our tours doing really, really poorly. Yeah. That's the hybrid.
Yeah. I don't want to talk down on the Arturo, but the first, I was working at the McLaren
dealership in Denver when that car came out. And the very first one that got delivered,
the first handful of them had serious problems where the hybrid system would not communicate with
the ice system. They were bricking and you'd have to tow them. And anyway, long story short,
they had to send some McLaren technicians out from the MTC
and from the McLaren Technology Center. And the guys took one up, the very first one out on a test
drive and shot a rod through the block and it had like 100 miles on it. Yeah. I remember one of the
early issues was you could actually kill the battery on them. Oh yeah. Which is not something you
should be able to do on a hybrid. Yeah. Because when you kill the battery, and I'm not talking about
the regular 12-volt, I'm talking about the high voltage battery, then bad things happen. Yeah.
Yeah. And then you're in serious pain. And I've seen them have to service them
after that has happened. I mean, the engine has to come out. Everything has to come out. It's a
very, very invasive job to do that. But I love the color on this. I love the orange. It's a really
cool color combination. Very Broncos. Yeah, very Broncos. True that. I'm a big fan of orange. Yeah.
Yeah. How much for this guy? So this is 245. And this is a 5000 mile performance with a lot of
options. How much was it? This was 362 new. Wow. Was the sticker on this car. Yeah. If you're in,
if you're ever considering a 720, really the only issues with these ask about accumulators,
because the suspension system in this car is all hydraulic and there's accumulators in each side
and they go bad. And anyway, if you're in the market, ask about accumulators. But that being said,
the 720 is viciously fast. Like, I mean, a lot of, there's a lot of really fast cars out there.
So most people's barometer for speed and power is kind of getting skewed. Oh, this is even a
straight line. It's terrifying. Yeah. Oh, it is seriously. It hooks up and it'll, because it's,
you know, it's loud and it's, it's creamy. It'll, it'll put the fear of God in you. Absolutely.
But something that I like so much about the 720 versus like the 650, which came before it,
this, the traction management system in these cars is way more friendly. You can lean on it more.
Whereas in the 650, it did feel and it would in fact put you into a wall. You know, this one
would, but it feels a little friendlier. You have a little more room for error in this car.
But these cars are great. I mean, at 200, 250,000, depending on configuration,
really good car. Yeah. All these cars will put you in the wall though. Absolutely. Absolutely.
Let's talk about the Urus. So the Urus has this reputation in Europe, specifically of being like
the footballer's wives car. Yeah. Is this, is this, is this a wrap or is this from the factory?
This is a wrap. Okay. But it is gregial links underneath. So it is gray underneath. So it's
a gray wrap on a gray car. Exactly. But it's a matte wrap. Yeah, it is. And I think,
I think these cars look pretty good when they're dark matte colors because they've got all these
sharp lines, but they are absolute. I sell a lot of these to people. So I don't want to sound too mean,
but no, I love, look, I mean, obviously the, the rub on an Urus is, you know, you can get the Audi
version, which is right there for, you know, a hundred plus less. Yeah. But it arguably it's a
better looking, but, but the exhaust note, the interior is just, you know, you can feel that
Lamborghini this 100% and throughout the whole car. It's so funny. Right now we have, we have
three of the four versions of this car. You got the Porsche too. Yeah, we've got the Porsche
Cayenne Turbo Coupe outside, which it's funny. If you were to line them all up, they're the same
car basically. This is wearing an Italian suit and has a lot of flair to it in terms of its
styling. This is slightly more edgy German guy. And then the Cayenne is like the banker, someone
who is ultra conservative, but it wants the performance. They're all, they all do the same
job differently, slightly differently, but it really comes down to what packaging do you like
the best? I'm partial to the Audi. I think the Audi looks the best. I got to be honest with you.
I am partial to the Urus and I think that even though it's, you know, underneath the bones,
yeah, yeah, powertrain are similar between these cars, this does have that Italian kind of, you
know, lead in the pencil of 100% that this does not. So like you said, this is very buttoned down.
Yeah. It's very formal. This still has kind of that rawness to it. And I was just, well, last year
I was at Lamborghini and I got to drive the hybrid version of this, which is 700 some horsepower.
It's almost 800. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah. And actually, because in Europe they have very strict
noise, ordinances, the American version has a much louder exhaust than the European version.
And I got to drive this down in Puglia, Puglia in southern Italy. And the roads are so tiny. I was
so terrified, so terrified because it's a big car, a wide car for Italy. But yeah, I think,
I think that these cars are the top of the three Volkswagen group. 100%. And the suspension in
these, the Urus in particular is more firm. You are able to, even though it's the four-liter,
is it open? Yeah. I was just going to show the giant Lamborghini script. This is my favorite
interior available on this car. The interiors are gorgeous. There's a huge Lamborghini script right
there. You know what you're driving. Oh, yeah. Your passenger is definitely acutely aware of what
you're in. But these, I mean, you can adjust the shift points where it gives you more kick. I mean,
it definitely does have the most drama of the three or four. You know, the Bentley Bentayga
would be the smooth one. But these, I mean, they're the same car, but they do the same job
differently. I forgot about the Bentayga. I just drove it like six months ago and I completely
forgot about it. Yeah. Yeah. The Bentayga is also one of these. I think the rear of the Urus looks
so cool. Yeah. That's quite exhaust. How much for this guy? This sold actually for 160. Yeah,
that's all right. So this is the first year. It's a 2019 and it had about 35,000 miles on it. Probably
what a quarter million new? It's almost 300. Almost 300. Yeah. This one was a heavy build on this car.
Wow. But this was another car similar to, let's call it the G63, which I'm surprised we don't
have one right now. These cars were cars that you could confidently buy and like if you were
fortunate enough to be able to order them new, you could buy, put 10,000 miles on, place another
order and sell it for what you paid. Yeah. I mean, it was a pretty, it's changed now because these are
getting a little older, but they're, they hold strong like 9-Elevens. These cars do hold strong
and they're reliable. They really don't have any failure points. I think we said earlier that,
you know, the 9-Eleven unfortunately has like a moment, but it's always Lamborghini.
Yeah. Yeah. You know, they're also kind of doing really, really well. Yeah. I remember when I drove
the Revuelto, as they said, they had a two-year wait for it. It was sold out. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So even
though you're, you're probably going to depreciate and not appreciate because they're expensive.
What, 800,000 for a new one? Yeah. 700 grand starting for like a decent one, like 500. Yeah.
Yeah. Which is a lot for the entry level. So we teased your favorite car, which is an M5. Yeah.
So we got to show it. Yeah. We got to go outside. Come on. Let's check it out. Yeah. We got to,
you said this is what you love. So let's check out this. Yes. Oh, there it is. I am over the moon
excited about this car. You know, my dad had one of these when they were new. Yeah. So I was a,
I don't know, a three or four year old kid riding in the back of one of these, watching him shift
gears. What's that? What year? This is an O2. O2. Okay. So this is one of the later ones. Yeah. But
it's an LCI. But I mean, the interior, this is factory. Le Mans Blue, they call it Strauss
interior, which is ostrich. It's insane. It's very similar to, I'm sure you remember the B5S4,
you could get a Nagarro Blue with a Nagarro Blue Alcantara interior. It's a very similar kind of
deal, but you know, we're just talking about all these supercars, the 720, all these cars. This is probably
the most one of one car here. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. This, go find another one of these. Yeah.
How many miles? This one has a hundred thousand. It's used. It's used, but it's every suspension
component's been replaced. I mean, this car, I would be, I would be hard pressed to distinguish
the differences between this car and like a 5,000 mile car. If you were to drive from blindfolded,
I think you would have a hard time telling them apart. And how much are you asking for it?
We're ambitious on this one. We're asking a lot. 50 grand is what we're asking. That's a lot for
KM5. It definitely is. I honestly, I mean, I'm very candid. We try to move through cars.
We're not going to get 50 for it, but we're going to see what happens. We'll see what happens.
We'll see what the market responds with. And you know, I guess we're not delusional. I think BMW
is the most interesting brand that builds the most interesting cars that sell for the least amount
of money. You know what I mean? It's so true. Think of a BMW that would sell for over a quarter
million right now. A Z8? Yeah. Maybe. It may be an M1. Yeah. Maybe an M1. Maybe an M1. Yeah. Yeah.
These are super interesting cars, you know, but they just, because maybe they build a lot of them,
you know, it's about scarcity. Yeah. Yeah. And the other problem, of course, is that because they're
affordable, they get driven a lot and then they get modified a lot. And so people don't kind of,
you know, put them away and, you know, keep it on a pedestal. Yeah. They drive them. They use them.
Yeah. But I don't know, you know, we, these, these super cars are so fast and so incredible with
their performance. I feel like if you've got a nice engine, whatever that is you like, whether it's
an inline six or nice V8 or, you know, twin turbo six or, you know, V12, a nice gearbox,
a nice chassis with a decent interior, some way to hook up your phone, whether it's an
aux cord or Bluetooth. That's like, that's the type of experience I really like. Yeah. So right
now we own about 20 cars in our fleet and my favorite is at 997. Yeah. And what made it for me
such a great car was I've got a new head unit for it. Yeah. So now, you know, I listen to my podcast
when I'm walking the dog and all of a sudden I'm listening to this podcast when I'm driving the
car. And that's the thing right there. I think that's why those cars are so popular because
they still give you the time capsule effect. They're unique because you won't see a lot of them.
And yet they're, the air conditioner works. Yeah. It's a modern enough car where it's
reliable and competent. Yeah. But it's classic enough where it's not like screens in your face
all over the place and it's got 800 horsepower. So let's wrap this up with the other side of the
coin of the question I asked you. I think you already answered, but I want to make for sure.
I want to be for sure. So you said the hardest car to sell is
Maserati's. What's the easiest car?
I'm going to shoot myself in the foot on this one also, but
Porsches. The right Porsches are easy to sell. Okay. I figured that was the answer. They're the
easiest. It has to be the right one though. But yeah, Porsches. I used to do real estate
a long time ago in the Czech Republic. I helped people find homes. And let me ask you this.
You've got the same sense. Like I could walk into an apartment and like immediately I knew
like how hard it was going to be to rent it because I would help rent these things to expat.
So when somebody pulls up in a car and you look at it, can you tell immediately like I can get,
you know, I could make money on this and this is going to go or this one's going to sit a while.
Pretty much. Yeah. Is there one that surprised you where you thought this one's going to sit
and then all of a sudden it went? You know, that's a great question. There was, I have
that AMG GT. Yeah. Actually, hang on. Because sometimes it's about finding the right person
for the right car. Yeah. I honestly, oh man, that's a tough question.
I would say, I would say actually we had a 2002 Dodge Viper GTS ACR with ported intake,
cams, heads, full exhaust headers. It was a gnarly car. I thought that car was going to
take a while to sell and it sold like that. ACRs are red hot. People want them. Yeah. It was
one of the most memorable cars I've ever driven. Incredibly cool. Just another one of those cars
you got to pay attention while you're driving. But another car that. So the thing that that has
in common, of course, with the GT3 RS is a big wing. So maybe the big, maybe it's not cars,
it's the big wings that are having a moment right now because that thing is like. Oh, yeah.
That's all wing. And it was a car where you'd start it and sit there and idle and it's literally
shaking itself. It's like. They couldn't sell those cars. That's a recipe. That's another recipe.
That's a recipe for like collectability. Cars that were hard to sell when they were new. Yeah.
Yeah. ACRs. ACRs. Oh, absolutely. I mean, a lot of the, even that's why GT3 RS is and stuff.
Older ones. Older ones, yeah. You couldn't sell them. Yeah. You couldn't sell them. So what car
today? Let's wrap this up on this. What car today can't sell that you should buy that will appreciate,
let's say, in 10 years? Is there something that's like that? A new car that you can go to?
A Supra might be like that a little bit. The Supras aren't exactly because they got rubbed with,
this isn't Toyota, it's a BMW. Yeah. So a Supra might be a car that might do, but there's a lot
of those. Yeah. Anything else that's like much hated that people may want eventually?
I don't think that the 296 is going to appreciate. The Maserati's maybe. They haven't done, I don't
think there's any Maserati that's really appreciate. The problem is the MC20 is a really good car.
It's genuinely a good car, but the brand perception is just, I don't think you can recover. I don't
think Maserati can recover from that. They make it, I mean, the Giulia, they're so dated at this
point though. The Giulia quads, the Stelvio quads, those are awesome cars. They're never going to
appreciate. I don't think, yeah, that's not a good one either. I'm trying to think. I think a car that
eventually will be a desirable car, but I don't know if they'll ever appreciate because too many
people are aware of how desirable they are is the CT5V Blackwing. Yeah, that's a good point. The
Blackwings. I remember when, this is when me and Nathan were still doing a lot of videos together,
we had the wagon, CTSV manual. I think every automotive journalist in the world fell in love
with that and nobody bought them. I think they sold like 400 of them. I would kill for one of
us. Yeah, exactly. That chip has sailed. Oh, it's gone. Well guys, if you want to get a hold of
Christian here, what's your website? It's seltonmotors.com. S-E-L-T-E-N. So all these cars are for sale,
so if you want any of them. And thank you very much for sharing your knowledge and taking the
time to walk me through the cars. I hope you guys have enjoyed this. It's kind of usually not what
we do, but since these guys have been so great in helping me sell my old car, I just wanted to
give them a huge shout out and I hope this works for you. Really appreciative. Thank you, Roman.
We'll see you guys next time. Ciao.
About this episode
Rare in German, Seltén Motors is a small exotic/sports-car dealer where the hosts break down today’s market using real inventory and hard-earned lessons. They debate which cars are easiest to sell (the right Porsches) versus hardest (Maserati), then get specific about Porsche buying signals like DME over-rev reports and why 996/997 models are driving the “modern classic” wave. The conversation also covers why GT3 RS demand is social-media fueled, the hidden costs of vintage exotics, and how electrification and “allocation games” are reshaping values.
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( https://www.alltfl.com/ ) Check out our new spot to find ALL our content, from news to videos and our podcasts! Are you ready to turn your dream car into a smart financial move? In this episode of TFL Car Chat, Roman heads to Selten, a local exotic car dealership, to sit down with industry expert Christian Moore. We’re diving deep into the high-stakes world of exotic car investments, covering everything from the iconic Porsche 911 to the screaming V12s of Ferrari. If you've ever wondered why some cars skyrocket in value while others (looking at you, Maserati) struggle to find a buyer, this is the episode for you.
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